Why Apple Doesn’t Support Your Mac… and How to Rebel
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- Ever wonder why your perfectly good Mac is "unsupported" for newer macOS updates? Discover the lesser-known reasons why Apple forces older Macs out and explore the underground efforts to bypass these restrictions. In this video, I delve into the truth behind unsupported Macs, reveal Apple's hidden motives, and show you how to keep your Mac running the latest software against all odds.
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IMPORTANT: LINUX is a very good option for your old Mac if you're ready to move away from macOS. Since Apple hardware is really only meant to run Apple software, it's more difficult to repurpose old Macs once Apple drops software support compared to other, less restrictive, hardware setups but, macOS is built on Unix, which is quite similar to Linux.
With a little bit of work you can also install Windows pretty easily on Intel Macs (not M series). I actually installed Windows 11 on this 2013 Macbook Pro as well - video is in my "Unsupported macOS Installations" playlist.
Side note: As some of you have noticed, I say "Big Sur" funny. We speak a lot of Spanish and Portuguese in my house and, well, "Big Sir" just doesn't sound right to me... Hopefully you can understand the rest - full English captions as well :)
Ha, it sounded like you said "Big Sewer". It gave me a chuckle.
You mean the isheep
Apple should show a lot more loyalty to their customers who spend a ton of money on their products…shame on you Apple.
Buy an android device and then you'll have something to complain about I know my phone's are android n I've had to buy a new 1 every 3 years to get basic updates
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@@williamshaneblythYou have the reasoning skills of an infant. Accountability of Apple doesn’t equal support for their competitors and it’s beyond dense at this point to keep treating android as the competitor for a Mac. 🤦♂️
@@barkmonster I think OP was talking about all Apple products, rather than just the Mac specifically (being the subject of this video).
One other point you didn’t mention is that using older machines is better for the environment. Even if you do get your old one recycled when you update it is not as good. Of course there has to be a point where you have to accept that the hardware is just too old and slow, but until that point it is reasonable to expect support for as long as possible.
Totally! I actually really wanted to include that point as well but just couldn't bring myself to do it with the 3 screens lit up in the video, burning through electricity. I really respect the environmental side of the argument, however, and wish I did more to reduce my own footprint.
@@AnsonAlexander It's a stellar video! I am glad that you did not promote climate hysteria. Which is related very much to the corporate/finance agenda. What we should be concerned about has little to do with energy consumption (for the most part) as there are already practical solutions that are delayed in implementation by politics.
I'm typing this on a 2012 Mac mini running macOS Ventura 13.6.7 via OCLP!
Haha, thats awesome! Well done!
Have a 2.6Ghz i7 one myself on Monterey. Even with 16GB and SSDs Ventura and Sonoma both have a very sluggish interface even with root patches and boot slow. I don’t think Ventura adds enough to be worth upgrading to and Sonoma is very resource intensive.
And I'm typing this on a prehistoric MacBook Pro Mid 2009 (5,3, 2.66 GHz, 512GB SSD, 8GB RAM) now running Monterey 12.7.5, courtesy of OCLP 1.5.0. Monterey is still supported by Apple until Nov 2024. I would've gone instead for the later Ventura or Sonoma but apparently my old Mac would then need a USB 2.0 hub to be added (fuck that!). Monterey is running perfectly and will do me just fine for now. Kudos to Dortania/OCLP - power to the people!! 😎. Nuts to sneaky greedy Apple, shame on you!
Actually, I'm not so fussed about continually getting newer OS versions per se. Most of them just bring another batch of overhyped gimmicky new features anyway, often pretty useless at that. Yes, any performance gains are always welcome yet not usually astonishing.
For me, the main or only driver to update an OS comes from the updated or new apps I want or need to use on the platform. Updated apps typically bring much more usefulness to the party than updated OSs, yet don't support the old OSs and machines you want to run them on, doh! So, the order of my dependency is Software : OS : Hardware. The big players in all of those are all pretty much as bad as each other, with the common and complicit aim of 'screw you suckers'.
I have several unsupported Macs, all the way back to 2009. When Apple no longer supports, I simply install Linux, and keep going. Ubuntu 24.04 runs quite nicely on my 2009 Macbook and does everything I need it to do.
linux is wack. an os is not great without good software
Same here ^^
Why not just use open core patcher?
That's a good alternative, if you know what you're doing. I highly doubt most Apple users have any idea what Linux is.
@@JJFlores197 nor do they care about Linux.
Upgraded my mid 2012 MBP to Ventura yesterday. Sonoma wouldn't work correctly due to a graphics card issue. But it's running Ventura like a champ. Really appreciate these videos you are putting out. Thinking about doing my 2014 iMac now. Which I my primary machine so that's why I'm still thinking about it. My MBP will see more use now for sure as it now has a new lease on life and still looks and runs like new.
I'm running Sonoma 14.5 on a 2013 i7 15" Retina Mac Book Pro - totally seamless and everything works.
Awesome to hear, keep those Macs running!
One big change is the CPU heat. The MBP M1 runs a lot cooler than the Intel MBP.
@@77space-vt8wi Since I use it as a desktop, the heat's not an issue since I run it in clamshell mode.
2009 15" Macbook Pro running Opencore Legacy Patcher Monterey. Replaced HD with a SSD and it runs great!
The biggest great effect is saving the environment. There should be an international law requiring Apple, Dell, and all machine makers physically take back old computers. The international law should require all of them to environmentally dispose of old machines.
The cost of that process would make it cheaper to support old machines and encourage customers to maintain them. People will still buy new machines but the environment wins with this scenario.
I keep my old MacBook Pro 2009 because I don’t want it in some landfill polluting the earth.
As Anson points out, Apple deliberately makes moves to force dedicated product user’s to buy their newer products and unfortunately, that generally comes at a much higher cost than the Mac or other device being replaced. Yes, older Macs can be given a second life by switching it over to any Linux variant; however, it comes at a cost of loosing out on software only meant to run on MacOSes. I have 5 unsupported Macs, two of which are MacBook Pros with 17” screens. I love both of them and really dislike Apple’s move to decrease screen sizes as well as purposefully insuring compatibility with second source displays.
As a retired person; many of use still actively using their Macs can no longer afford the cost of buy Apple’s new Mac systems whose price tags are astronomical in many cases. Secondly, but off topic, Apple’s move to “solder everything in place” on everything, intentionally forces users to upgrade at higher costs to make sure their Macs have a potential longevity beyond their 7 year “guaranteed???” life expectancy, a.k.a., planned obsolescence. I vehemently oppose Apple’s locking down of Mac components so that technically capable users can perform their own memory, both RAM and HDD/SDD retrofits, along with things that typically fail like graphics chips in the MacBook Pro 17” (Late 2011).
So, I am looking at using the Open Source Legacy Updater to bring at least one of my Macs up to date even at a cost of loosing some functionality constrained by older or missing components like Metal. It’s a price that is paid by anyone venturing forward on unsupported OSes. It does not stop there though. One is forced to consider unsupported update vs. buying new equipment when software companies limit the span of MacOSes they will support. I think this is most significantly the case with Music Production and DAW software. i am in that group. I was really angry when Intuit would not provide TurboTax Deluxe after 2017 for Macs running MacOS 10.15 (Catalina). I will simply do whatever is necessary to give my Macs an extended life commensurate with the quality Apple puts into their products. I would love to hear Lewis Black do a Rant Broadcast on Apple alone. I am not alone in my view of the Tim Cook lead of Apple Corporate greed. Ask yourself this simple question. What would you do if major car manufacturer’s only supported their cars and truck costing upward to $125K+ were to redirect themselves towards producing vehicles whose life is only 7 years? Many car loans are now 7 years.
Americans need to stand up to corporate greed, and product planned obsolescence.
Very interesting comment.
when mac os will be exclusively compatible with mac arm t all mac intel will be obselete impossible to make it compatible with open core legacy because architecture is x86 and the boot instructions are different
I have a 27 inch Mac pro. It’s beautiful! But sadly, not only unsupported, but not even replaceable by an equivalent newer model. What a shameful waste. Why not sell a new motherboard replacement? I feel so betrayed by technology. My most productive software no longer works on the new machines. Maybe AI can produce emulations of older machines, so nothing goes out of date, including us.
Mid 2012 MacBook with Catalina. It’s been a nightmare since I can’t use many of the lasted software updates.
The smart move would be to offer extended support for security updates (not OS updates), charging for it and pointing out the limitations (my 2014 macbook pro's fans spin out of control with the wrong browser). It would be a service no Windows or Android machine could match.
This is totally true, and it could still help their bottom line at the same time...
You think that’s bad? My Google Pixel 4a was supported for just three years! Highway robbery. Btw, I’m on the same MacBook Pro. What I did was install Windows on my 2014 MacBook Pro. Windows 10 will be supported until October 2025. I guess the question is if ten years of support is fair and reasonable for a computer, Macs or Windows.
Yes, exactly. There was a time that, 10 years after a computer was produced, it was essentially completely irrelevant and out of date but, many computers made from 2010 to 2020 can still seriously hang with modern technologies and, the question, it whether or not companies like Apple will change their policies to reflect that. For now, however, unsupported installations or even Linux installations, seem to be the way to go.
@@AnsonAlexander agree with you about Linux. Also curious if a virtual machine with a later osx version would work properly under a different physical OS. Worth investigating…
Curious, when you installed windows, did you happen to try any of the updated usb dongles for BT & Wifi. I had installed Parallels, I was able to get them to work but then they stopped and I was not able to figure out why. Unfortunately Parallels support is absolutely abysmal.
I have a new MBP 16. But I love having 2 drives in my 2012 MBP 15 which I want to dedicate to AV. What I have noticed with the new MBP is that the internet connectivity and performance are night and day. That said, there are many BT5.0+ and Wifi dongles that would significantly improve performance.
I installed Mac OS Monterey on my 2013 (mfg in 2017) Trash can Mac and am very happy that I did. Nice video...
I did the Sonoma upgrade on a 2012 Macbook pro fully upgraded SSD HD and 16MB Ram to Macos Sonoma 14.5 worked well initially and everything seemed ok and then after a coupla days it freezes and has the proverbial spinning wheel of death when it goes into sleep mode or the lock screen is activated and it happens now more frequently than anything to the point that it has become unusable. I'm downgrading back to Catalina and using it for my music playback. Linux I'm afraid is unable to run anything I need or want it for. I have a raspberry pi for that. So will enjoy the last of this Macbook in all it's ancient glory.
There was a major shift after Catalina still my 2012 mini still runs fine just can't get latest logic and google drive app suddenly says is update needed
All my older Macs run latest MacOS with Opencore and Linux Mint on a seperate partition... My MacMini (2014) also run Win11 on a third partition...
I used a 2011 Macbook Pro till late last year thanks to OpenCore. Upgraded the RAM to 16gb and 1tb SSD running Ventura. Only retired it because I now own a 2021 Macbook Pro courtesy of my company gifting me one. Otherwise, I'm sure if I hadn't gifted it to someone else, I'd be running Sonoma on it today.
Planned obsolescence should be illegal. Manufacturers should be obliged to support their products for much longer.
I have just bought a Windows 7 laptop. It's brilliant. Fast, massive storage, versatile. It even looks good.
I don't think that there is much that could be done about support as it is a financial issue. But what I think should be illegal is preventing the customer from upgrading, fixing, or modifying their own property. Apples lates are engineered to be as disposable as possible. I really hope that the EU legislation forces them to put easily user replaced batteries in iPhones. They will fight that tooth and nail.
Thanks for your work. I did successfully upgraded my three Macs to Ventura, thanks again
I have a spotless without a scratch MacBook pro 2015, I will be looking into this.
I want to install Sonoma on my MacAir 2017 - do you know how the battery life is?
open core is brilliant,I got a few broken macbooks bought cheap of ebay and fixed running great.I keep hoping someone will do similar with iPad as I've got a perfectly good 2nd gen ipad in my collection that I use for reading books,it would be great to be able to update that.
Will it work on the m1 though when it goes unsupported, saying that even sounds crazy because the power of the M series should give it the capability of being supported for at least 10 years
Thanks for the history lesson! I used these methods to keep my 2009 Mac Pro running for about 12 years. And I agree some of the things that I did as a non-tech person was not for the faint of heart.
I love how Apple booted Nvidia in a lovers spat and now Nvidia is eclipsing them in business value. I do get from a business standpoint, the R&D to support all these old legacy machines...and their poor performance running newer stuff. And, here, thanks to OCLP, they have folks doing the work for them. Apple could kill OCLP but it is no skin off their nose to let it do its thing. The same scenario is developing on the Windows side. SO MANY PCs cannot run Windows 11 (or the future 12) so now people are hacking them. Though, that is developing slowly as people keep sticking to Windows 10. Apple would love to sell more machines. But they have no interest in making the new machines more affordable and offering a good trade value for the old machines to get them out of service. When my 2012 MacBookPro dies and my 2013 MacPro gets too flaky (both running OCLP), I will consider a refurb Mac. So far, the only casualty of OCLP and Ventura on my 2013 MacPro has been VMware Fusion.
Agree completely!!, thank you for posting it.
Yeah, but when your brand new laptop crashes every week and you report it over and over (25+ times) and nothing gets done. I'm pretty sure I will leave Apple after this "smooth user experience". Apple has been turning to crap over the last few years. Time for new leadership!
Great video….would you point me in right direction to install windows 10 ON my 2018 macmini intel. Thanks, charlie
Thanks! This video should get you 90% of the way there, just need to download the Windows 10 ISO instead of 11: th-cam.com/video/Bh0d1egaSI0/w-d-xo.html
I have imac 27 inch i5 and resetted it to Lion OSX yesterday and stucked there sadly. Is it possible upgrade to Mac OS Sonoma from here by using patcher ? Because can not connect Apple Store and i feel lost in desert. Thanks a lot for your help
I've done this with my late 2013 15" Macbook Pro. Generally very easy and no issues apart from one... And it's quite specific. I use hot corners and in particular the bottom right puts the display to sleep which also turns off the keyboard backlight. I've tried disabling just about everything and it will still fail, it'll work if you come back a few minutes later, even had it last hours. Other times it coms back to an empty desktop and you can't do anything, you can still hear the audio playing. I've used this feature for years, must be over 15, I don't remember when I enabled it.
Now, I did an upgrade... Maybe it would have been better to do a fresh install as it might be some other non-default setting I don't care about. But I've tried disabling any sleep etc, it doesn't go to sleep, the audio remains as I say. Other than that, not had any issues.
To add to this, sleep doesn't work, screen savers don't work - well, they work but I can't get out of them, have to reboot. I'm considering rolling back to a previous version to see if they're better supported and it has started to annoy me a bit.
I have a 2010 MacPro desktop running Ventura via OpenCore. It has been a flawless experience. My Mac is faster and everything is a little smoother compared to the performance under Mojave (the last support OS). In short, I'm delighted.
It's a good idea to keep spare SSD on the shelf with the last supported system, so that if anything goes south, your computer will still run. Should this happen, you can easily rebuild the OpenCore-supported OS from scratch.
Apple found a new way to keep making us buy their new stuff, CHARGERS. They keep changing between usb-c, lightning, MagSafe etc. they give you the cable but not the brick. I bought an m1 MacBook Air with MagSafe for my wife, next year I bought an m2 MacBook PRO but guess what? No magsafe, now I see that both the m3 and m4 MacBook Pros have MagSafe, so why did they took it out of the one I got? Who knows, but I have to have a lightning cable, usb-c, and MagSafe cables and chargers.
MacBook Air 13” (2013) from Big Sur to Sonoma. Installation was time consuming but error free. It sure is interesting, but with this hardware the ventilator kicks right in right after booting, maxed out on all levels. With only two 1.3 GHz cores and 4 gb not recommended imo.
Glad to hear you got it working. My 2013 hums pretty loud too but I did on Big Sur as well and I really don’t feel like the fan is working any harder than it was. It’s always been part of Apple’s cooling to have loud fans due to the small physical footprint of the computers.
I've been running OpenCore on my 15 inch mid 2014 MacBook pro, since Apple dropped support for my model with Big Sur. Aside from a few minor hiccups, it's been a great experience. I'm wondering if Open Core will still be an option, once Apple drops support for the M1 chip and am also curious how long they will support their hardware in general, since moving to their own custom SOC. Eventually, I'd anticipate that when Apple drops support for the last Intel based machines, that Legacy patcher will no longer be a viable option for either unsupported Intel hardware or future unsupported M1 hardware. It'll be interesting to see whether Apple supprts it's devices beyond 7 years, given the move away from Intel or if the development community will be able to continue to build software to allow for support, after Apple drops it's M1 chip support.
Another excellent video! That's why I am now subscribed to the channel.
You can also put a Linux Distro also. I put Elementary OS on my mini mac.
I have some older macs which l treasure because they run older software that newer macs don’t. For example Mac the Ripper, MPEG Stream-clip and particularly my Longman Dictionary - LDOCE. And using DVDs which l have a lot of, if a DVD doesn’t work on one Mac it often does on another. I even have a Mac that runs PowerPC apps which l need for running a brilliant business game developed in France about adapting to British culture.
When modern software drops support for CPUs, even OCLP can’t help. I run 2 heavily upgraded 2012 systems. A 3.46Ghz 12-core Mac Pro with 2TB of PCIe SSD, 4TB of spinning rust, 96GB and an RX580 that runs all my DAW software and plugins fine. If I want to use a couple of virtual machines I originally created on a 2009 Mac Mini in the current update of VM Fusion, I have to run it on my 2.6Ghz i7 Mac Mini because VMware fusion doesn’t appear to support the X5690 CPUs anymore.
I have a question about Sonoma. After my Macbook air 2020 M1 was upgraded to Sonoma, my external drives will not mount. I have researched for weeks and found no solution and I cant seem to be able to reinstall an older OS .. Any advice please. Apple has no solutions from what I can find..
My Late '13 Mac Pro (cylinder), which cost 4 grand at the time is now only running 10.7.5 and I'm not looking forward to buying a Mac Studio M2, but I guess I will have to sooner or later.
Is open core legacy patcher safe?
Went through the process for 2 Mac’s. Worked seemlessly for a 2103 MacBook Pro but on a late 2015 iMac it is giving me fits. Some things take forever to load sometimes apps randomly crash. Could not use migration assistant and had move some files back manually. Any ideas?? Thanks.
I have a quad core xeon on my 2013 27" iMac I should be able to upgrade to any os level... On a quad core xeon
Thanks Tim Cook. You and Apple obviously need more money.
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Buy some Apple stock. Trump gets elected and the market will rebound big time. Don't care about the D.C. polluted politic. Do care about the retirement ROA for my portfolio.
I'm running ventura on 2011 mbp
It occurs to me that the cost of the lawsuits pales in comparison to the profits that planned obsolescence generate.
I believe that Apple could easily provide "progressive" operating system upgrades for older Macs. They know they can but they refuse to because it would impact their bottom line. As an m1 iMac user I am very curious how Apple will approach this issue with their m chip macs. I'm not holding my breath.
My MacBook Pro 2.7 GHz Core i7 15-Inch (Late 2016) cost about $2,300 and is now worth 10% of that if I’m lucky. Progress happens. Love it or hate it, take it or leave it. New OSs use new hardware capabilities that keep them from working without those new features. Sucks, but lack of progress would be worse.
My 2014 macbook pro has been "through the wars": changed keyboard and touchpad that stopped working, changed battery, which eventually inflated and destroyed the chassis... And yet the Logic board has kept going in another chassis with a new batery. All that valiant effort only for Apple to drop support.
I know right, they make the computers solid enough to last 2 decades if you're careful and maybe a bit lucky.
And my android phones don't get security updates after 3 years approximately. These are brand name mid range phones with OLED big screen 128gb space so if that is not planned obsolescence then I don't know .
Some people I know are running graphene on those. Maybe you know about it. But one friend says that the pixel specs were a bargain.
Apple is probably not the worst when it comes to software support for older computers. However, they spend a lot of resources and time promoting how green and eco-friendly they are, so I think they should support devices until they are technically obsolete . This might have a greater eco-impact than eliminating leather. For me, the lack of upgradability, especially for desktops, is more annoying. I am not entirely sure who buys desktops these days, but I feel quite certain that they would like to keep a version of Dropbox/OneDrive/Google Drive local. As an Apple customer, this is utopia; you have to rely on external disks or NAS and live with the 8 GB of RAM that is standard for so many models.
Well, Well, well. very interesting. I too have an older 2012 Mac 15" Entel 7i. I am expecting a refurbished M3 Pro very soon. in four days. but I want to keep the old girl running. I thin I will try this if the cost to me is not too great.
Great video! And very good points. Everything in the Apple Support world is abritary. It's going to be even worse when M1 which will still work perfectly will get support dropped in 2026 and 2028, and there will probably be no way to patch it due to the differences with the way Apple Silicon Macs work.
I personally run a 2014 Macbook air (which I'm typing this from actually) in addition to my 2021 16 in m1 max macbook pro. It breathes new life into it and makes it a great throw in the bag machine. Yes it's slow but it gets the job done. I also have Sonoma dual booted with Windows 11.
I am definitely going to try to install macOS 15 on this machine if it ends up supporting the Intel architecture.
I will say though, I wouldn't recommend non tech savy people use opencore. To use it I recommend you have at least a little knowledge with computers.
Put opencore on an old machine and it will breathe new life into an old machine and make it a great secondary backup machine.
I have the opposite problem with my 2017 Lenovo i7 - I don’t want all the crappy windows updates. Leave it as it is!
all a bit depressing, i love the idea of using a computer for 10+ years as an "appliance" (like white goods) yet it's software and FOMO that keeps computing nerds like me in the Fast Fashion mindset :(
The problem is they are too reliable and last too long, so they need to make it artificially obsolete in the hopes that you buy another one, and they have continued revenue.
I think that’s why they are selling the M processor models with such low memory. In the hopes it’ll become obsolete quicker.
I’d personally prefer it if they supported new Macs for perhaps 8 years, then allow you to pay to upgrade to future OS versions (or at least security patches and the latest Safari) after that point, but they won’t necessarily have all the features of the latest hardware.
You hit the nail on the head exactly. If their hardware wasn’t so durable, this wouldn’t be a problem haha! Good ideas and thoughts on the M series chips as well!
Unlike Windoze, all MacOS upgrades are free, so how long do you expect them to do that, especially as those older computers become fewer?
So, a few things here... First, Windows updates are free if you know where to go - not officially but also not punished or enforced. Second, Apple essentially forces their operating system on their hardware. Windows doesn't even make all of the hardware for their OSes - meaning users can repurpose their old computers in a number of different ways more easily. Third, Apple makes very durable and long lasting hardware (especially if you buy with the upgrades) and their main company policy is creating lifelong users so, it would make sense for them to support their hardware longer or risk losing customers - as you can see their are quite a few defectors in the comments. Obviously it's up to them but I believe this video makes a strong case for Apple to set the standard higher for supporting their hardware.
I have this issue with my 2014 27inch iMac which is a great machine I had more ram and a new ssd drive added last year. I’m an apple boy and with iPhone, Apple TV, iPad etc. this planned obsolescence pisses me off and someone needs to take Apple to court again.
I attempted to install Sonoma on my computer using OCLP three times and it didn’t work
I am running macOS Catalina on my 2009 Mac Pro tower with 48 GB of memory. It runs earlier versions of Apple audio and video Pro apps, plus Cubase 12 and Dorico 5. Apple's planned obsolescence and superglued/integrated components on my 15" 2016 MacBook Pro (with its poorly-designed butterfly keyboard) lay waste to their claims of being eco-friendly and zero carbon. Apple is to be shamed. I run Monterey on my 2016 MacBook Pro, No need to go higher.
Correction: The battery gate had nothing to do with battery life of old phones. Apple clarified why they did this and it’s much more complicated and nuanced. TLDR: when old battery cannot provide enough of the power for the chip, the phone would restart. It would seem for end user that the phone is buggy, but at the core of this was simply old battery that wasn’t able to provide enough power for the chip. Apple decided to limit performance of old phones in order for them to not restart randomly during normal operation. That’s the reason why it limited performance of old phones with older battery. Plain and simple.
I understand you're getting into the technical details here but, a battery not being able to provide enough power to the chip and causing rapid restarts, certainly appears to the end-user as a battery problem and, they should have avoided releasing an OS that causes these restarts on phones made just 2 years earlier.
@@AnsonAlexander Yes, I agree. It should have been communicated better, but I want to clarify, Apple provided reasoning why they did that and for whathever reason, maybe because its Apple, and there is always this need to write about scandal of some sorts, but for whathever reason I keep hearing how Apple tried to slow down old phones to force people to buy new one. And thats just not accurate.
still using my 2009 Macbook Pro...
Don’t Micro$oft do the same thing? Windows 10 is not receiving all the needed updates today, and certainly no more feature releases!
I hated it when Apple started using a Planned Obsolescence marketing strategy. And I miss the days of being able to open my Mac and update memory and drives. Thanks for this very informative video...
Installed linux on my 2012 mini and 2015 mac pro. works like a charm and faster too. it was already very slow on the latest possible osx version. Im just mainly using it for youtube or internet stuff so no issues with linux
As Apple changed the processor type in 2021 it is futile to upgrade to versions of Mac OS beyond Big Sur as the new features won't run on Intel Processors!
It is not futile at all. I use my 2013 Macbook Pro on Sonoma everyday. Big Sur doesn't allow screen sharing but, with Sonoma, I use screen sharing all the time. Same with widgets, Safari profiles - all of the main features are there, just a few under the hood aren't fully there. Have you even tried an Unsupported version?
I have Apple Mac Pro 2013 maxed out except video card. Such are beautiful computer and quniqe design!!! I really like it design so much. My mother bought it to me as a gift. Alot of money she spend on it.
And it is no more supported.😞
And no, i cannot buy a new computer.
After I upgraded my unsupported iMac to Sonoma
I noticed that my iMac getting really slow.
Anyone can tell me why?
Now I am scared upgrading my unsupported
MacBook Pro to Sonoma…
How safe is that patched MacOS that runs on older Mac’s?
Well, if you’re running Big Sur or earlier, unsupported Sonoma will definitely increase security. If you’re still running a supported OS like macOS 13 or 12, they will be a bit more tailored to your computer and will provide good security. The main thing, is to make sure you’re running updates for your unsupported Mac when they come out.
A very considered, well-rounded view of the subject of when older Macs become obsolete(ish). Well done, Anson.
As others have remarked, the other possibility with these old machines is to go Linux. I have a late 2006 white iMac running Ubuntu Mate 22.04, upgraded to Ubuntu Pro (free for personal use) so officially supported until 2032! It runs very well, and all the Apple hardware works!
This was not an easy install but it was an education, and as you say, the sense of empowerment was most satisfying.
I've got a 2012 Mac Mini running Linux Mint and it works great. There are small issues like the SD card reader not working but as a home pc it works for everything I need.
It's not so great on a laptop because sleep doesn't always work, battery life is poor and the webcam doesn't work. It's a driver issue.
I've just left MacBook Pro on Big Sur. So far all the apps I need still work but eventually devs will stop supporting it and fewer apps will work.
At that point I'll either have to save enough to buy a new Mac, or try what you've suggested or put Linux on it. Or just retire it to a shelf.
In my experience hacking my iPhone 3G to get iphone OS 4, it just slowed the device badly and made for a worse experience.
I do think with Apple that it's better to get a new device when the time comes. It's less hassle and you get all the new features.
The only problem is, having the money to upgrade.....
I buy older imac and mini on ebay, because Debian runs just fine. I won't get into Core 2 at this point, but models year 2010 on can be a great bargain.
OpenCore has to be one of the best programs ever made.
Because you need at least one of the m chips to make it plausible now
Near as I can tell Apple is pushing security updates to my older MacBook Pro. I just don't get the new operating system.
Why Mac? Very difficult for a hacker to get in the pants of a Mac compared to a PC. And that's its cost vs. effective value attraction. The Mac/iPhone is programmed to automatically receive and incorporate security updates as they are pushed out by Apple, which occurs frequently, and then once a year Apple pushes out a complete new operation system (OS) to nullify anything a trojan horse tries to accomplish. And it takes your finger print to unlock the Mac and face reconition to open the iPhone and the iCloud is password encrypted. The Mac "key chain" app is encrypted to manage your passwords. Then one can choose to have any folder or file encrypted and then separately encrypt the Macs SSD. iCloud is password encrypted. If your Mac goes missing you might be able to track its exact location or press a bottom on your iPhone and it can turns you Mac into a useless brick.
Well a decent Macbook Pro (MBP) is 4K if you want the necessary RAM and SSD to edit a lot of video . Going in you figure a 5-yr life cycle for the MBP + the, iCloud subscription and probably a battery swap out.
Adding a new OS to an older and dolder MBP. At some point one or more the dated Mac components won't have the needed capability to deal with the updated Apple software and firmware changes.
Go into any collage class and it's all Mac Book Airs being used by the students...and they probably have internet, an iPhone and an Apple Watch. Less then 30% of the high school kids finish collage. The majority of the ones who do graduate will probably find the high Apple costs to be within their budget and they will probably own Apple stock as an offset.
it sucks my iMac 2017 is so capable to update
My 2010 desktop Mac runs better with Ventura (i.e., faster) than with any other OS.
1.5.0 is available
Hey Anderson! I know! It’s almost like, IDK, things become obsolete after 10 years or so. I imagine you might get 99 dollars for that laptop on eBay. I would take the money and get on with life.
I really dont see the problem here, complaining that a 10 year old MacBook is not getting the latest OS is crazy. Microsoft just announced the End of Support vor Windows 10 for example. Or get an Android device on most of them you are lucky to get updates for a year. I understand that bashing Apple gets lots of views, but at least do it for stuff it deserves and not for this.
I'm not really bashing them. They make amazing computers. So amazing that hundreds of thousands people (see the views on my unsupported install video) are still using their hardware more than 7 years after buying them. I'm explaining why they drop support eventually, showing that the hardware of their computers can be relevant for over a decade and, then, what to do if you want to keep upgrading despite Apple dropping support. If you look at my channel or just my film set for the video, I obviously love their computers...
Did you say Big Sewer?
Sorry, I speak Portuguese and Spanish and say Sur the way, I believe, is the proper pronunciation and not the Englishified version - I know most English speakers pronounce it like "Sir". Hopefully you were still able to understand (there are full closed captions too).
@@AnsonAlexander it’s ok , at the time it sounded exactly like Big Sewer, and you English is fine. It was just a little pronunciation problem.
Can you still run Linux on your old Mac? I have run Puppy Linux from a CD on my late 2009. Apple products; just don't buy them unless you are a [Continued on Page 94]
Oh yes, Linux is probably the best long-term solution available for getting mileage out of old Macs.
Apple . Ever get that feeling we are being had ?
OS 11 12 and 14 installed on everything from 2009 macs. Everything in this world is about money. And who cares about "security updates", its just another back door in
Yeah these machines are so solid that it deserves to be shown that they can still hang with current tech depending on what your workflows are.
@@AnsonAlexander whenever possible I try to keep the old Intel macs going. Wether its OSX or Linux
google flex to the rescue?
Hate to be that guy, but why continue to buy Apple products given their lack of on-going support for their consumers?
Well, I think most people watching this video haven't bought a new one in a while... but, at the same time, the fact that my 10 year old+ Macbook Pro can run Windows 11 and Sonoma no problem is a testament to the quality of the hardware on these Intel Macs. I'm still waiting at least a year or two until my next big computer purchase and will reassess the options then on whether or not I get another Mac.
I still use a 2007 MacBook Pro for photo and video editing. And I've had pretty minimal repair expenses over the years. The $1600 I bought my laptop for was a bargain. I have never heard similar statements about other computer brands.
unsupported on my mbp retina 2012
That’s the world we live in now I’m afraid……
Its Apple Bussines Politcs , its the same with the Iphone , the next year model is the best and they push the idea , its the way of make mondy buying everyyear a new model (thats what they want.😅) so they promote that , and kill the old ones, and many others things
yep, moved to Linux for my imac 2017 27 inch monster. Zero regrets. F Apple.
Why do you want this rubbish from Apple?!
I wish I could get back to Big Sir, unfortunately the latest Macs cannot run on that great software.
All my mac's, 2x 2012 macmini, 1 MBP 2012 and 1 2011 MBA ALL are running Sonoma. I don't much care about what apple thinks or does. There is always Linux. Cheers
You almost look like gigachad🗿🗿🗿
I have a 15 inch 2015 Macbook Pro that runs MacOS Monterey perfectly and I have no issues with it. I upgraded it with the unsupported latest OS and the experience was terrible. The computer completely became unusable. I am a tech savvy person. I do not recommend unsupported versions. Instead I suggest using the original OS that came with the computer and use a latest Virus and Malware protection along with the other latest versions of software like the browser and Office.
Their software is part of their marketing gimmick, if you want the latest and greatest, you must buy a copy on their new hardware. Its a scam.
If Apple cares about people and environment and make this world better why they would not make department who will support older devices to make them work well?
Open Core company must be bought by Apple and make them default to all Apple products!
Opencore LegacyPatcher, keep using your old macs for years , plenty of great vids on here on how use and install ....screw Apple...on Intel Macs Windows runs better than some PC's..I have W10 on bootcamp on 2019 mbookpro, youd never know it was on a Mac...
Apple being dicks, to be honest, they like to do this. I have a late 2012 MacBook Pro. I'm running Ventura on it, unofficially through OpenCore Legacy Patcher. It runs very smooth. And I have a MacBook Pro 2020 Touch Bar, which is still supported officially.