@@knrz2562 How tf do you figure that? If Thor had the power of ressurection then why doesnt he use it on his sons and brother Baldur? If Kratos died then why didnt he even bleed or why didnt his skull crack? Kratos health-bar also collapsed and cracked against the Kraken and Fear Zeus, doesnt mean he was really dead.
Zeus is actually more powerful than kratos in strength, you forget one thing, kratos used strategy in weaken zeus before God of war 3, by stabbing zeus with the blade of olympus zeus become so weak that kratos could match strenght with him, you can confirm this by just watching their fight in gow 2 and by listen to what he told gaia
Zeus was actually resistant to his power and became even more stronger by God of war three, even the Brady guides said this. It just all came down to weapon mastery and conceptual power, which is a lot stronger than anything the Norse has. Even the weapons as well are already broken by Norse standards but in Greek, even champions can wield them like mjolnir.
@@John2r1 In Greek Mythology, Cratos is not a god. He is a Titan. Titans are stronger than gods. Hercules was the strongest god. Second strongest being behind Cratos
Not Gaia, he told Atlas “By taking the Blade of Olympus back and driving it into Zeus' heart! It holds the power I once wielded as the god of war!” GoW 2.
Nope, she never said that. She said ''The Norns of this land have no such magic.'' That's it. That's literally all she said. If we're playing that game, Kratos literally being baffled at Thor's power saying ''That's ridiculous!'' when Mimir told him Thor sent Jormungandr back in time is proof that Thor, and the Norse verse, is far stronger than the Greeks.
@@TheStraightestWhitest BS. Freya was equally shocked at how the Greek magic allows for accurate timetravel in order to change history and fate. Kratos was "shocked" at the absurdity of someone being struck back in time, due to some World Tree being actually in charge of Time itself in this "pantheon" of mortal fraudsters
Zeus would absolutely dogwalk Thor, and he wouldn't need to give it his all to do it. As for Kratos, we have developer statements confirming he is holding back *at all times* in GoW and GoW: Ragnarok. In *every* fight. Yes, including the one where he handed Thor his ass.
You should really provide *feats.* Idle chatter doesn't prove anything except the lack of evidence you're willing to show. The top comment states Zeus survived being stabbed MULTIPLE times by the Blade of Olympus, presumably the strongest weapon in GoW because ANOTHER comment mentions Freya admitting that the Greek pantheon was far more gifted with magic.
Said developer statements literally confirm that Odin is the biggest threat in the entire franchise and that Kratos’s spartan skills will be tested like never before. Thor is stated in Kratos’s codex that his attacks is more heavy and powerful than he’s ever felt. Thor dog walks Zeus. Cory Barlog confirmed that Old Kratos beats Young Kratos
@@liammcguire1954 Yeah, no. They outright said Odin wasn't as powerful as Zeus. You're right about the codex and Cory Barlog saying old Kratos is more powerful than young Kratos, however. That being said, there's a difference between having heavy blows and being the most powerful. Thor has a ton of brute strength. Zeus had literal cosmic power at his disposal on top of being every bit as physically strong as old Kratos is now.
Kratos was not even out of breath after handing Thor’s ass to him how can you say he wasn’t holding back, he didn’t even use spartan rage in the cutscenes
@@yokotubene it’s is a big feat considering only a few beings has ever actually killed kratos canonically in the first place. Kratos was holding back yes but so was Thor considering that he just needed to distract kratos so Odin could talk to Atreus in the first place.
@@huskyamethyst6541 Kratos still managed to beat Thor without using his rage. Even Baldur made Kratos use his rage to overpower him. Had Thor killed a bloodlusted Kratos, that would've been an impressive feat, but he didn't. In the second fight, Thor lost to Kratos fairly easily even though Thor was going all out while Kratos was STILL holding back.
@huskyamethyst6541 zeus also killed kratos as well but since kratso was from greek he went to the underworld but zeus as a old man bought him back and in gow 2 Gaia bought him back as well
Sorry, but Kratos is NEVER going all out in new gen games, as stated by devs. Zeus, if not weakened in GoW 2, leading up to the climax of 3, would have obliterated Kratos in that final fight, even with Kratos trying his hardest. Let's be real, if Kratos lost control, he would solo Asgard in a day.
If you look at it, another way to compare the strengths between the Norse gods and the Greek gods is in how they die, and I don't mean them just dying to Kratos. But most if not all of the Greek gods cause a devastating catastrophe that shifts the order of the natural realm they govern, such as the souls of the dead not being bound to Hades once Hades dies, to Poseidon causing an enormous flood. We could even say that Thanatos the god of death's catastrophe was Kratos' wrath against the gods, eloquently put by Zeus calling him "Death, the destroyer of worlds". Yet when a Norse god dies, they just...die. No explosions that shift in the natural order, no huge catastrophes, no huge explosion. They just fall over and die, like any mortal would. So if the Greek gods can hold that level of power to cause that much devastation when they die, then comparing the Norse gods to the Greek would be like comparing A bag of grapes to an entire vineyard. We're using the same fruit, but on a very different scale.
Well it’s because the greek gods created their realm/universe. When they die their work is undone. Asgardians are olympians are fundamentally two different types of deities
@picassojulien899 The norse gods also created the realms on their own. After killing Ymir, they used his body to sculpt the whole world, using every part to create the 9 realms. yet when the gods died, their work still remained. Then again, it wasn't their power per se, more so them just building the world with what they were given. on a side note, these norse gods are really just some dieties as you said, and not true gods that govern something of fundamental nature.
Baldurs death brought thimble winter. He didn't just die. In norse mythology, it states that when Baldur died, the Animals wept, the trees wept, the stones of the earth wept. Even fire and iron wept.
Zeus stomps even if we go by their actual version in the myths. Olympians are immortal while Asgardians aren't. Zeus will just have to fight Thor for a few thousands years until Thor dies of old age lmao. I love both characters in these games tho.
@@hurmur9528 Nordic gods were never immortal. They ate apples of Idunn that extended their life spans far beyond normal. They just live for a really long time (they do got a bit longer than a few thousand years). But, Idunn is fated to die during Ragnarok. Meaning the ones that do survive will be completely mortal.
If we are going to use myths, Thor’s mother, Jord, is the giant goddess of the Earth. She would be Gaia to the Greeks. So Thor would be Zeus’s uncle, due to Thor being brothers with Chronos. Do with that knowledge what you like.
@@adriansmith6717 Zeus’s mother is Rhea, who was technically Cronos’s sister. Gaia is Cronos’s mother. Jord would have been Gaia. That would make Thor Cronos’s half brother.
@@FredLloyd-Ward-iu4rm well, sorta. Zeus is from the Greek pantheon, Jupiter the Roman pantheon, Odin the Norse pantheon. There are equivalent sky gods throughout all forms of mythology. It's an interesting study.:)
@@jasonbean2764 in percy jackson zues and jupiter are litterly the same person plus loom at the gods Possédon =neptune Hades =pluto Hera =juno Ares=mars The pantheons are the exact same with diffrent names you cant really get norse équivalents for them so zues=jupiter Zues does not equal odin
@@BigDaddyRich69 Odin and Zeus are stated to be equals but yet Odin is more powerful and smarter while Zeus is just faster and stronger. So that what I mean by that’s not always true
As much as the marvel fans would love to say thor, reality is Zeus would win. God of gods is a title even us humans sometimes boast of our god though it’s a bit hypocritical. Zeus commanded the primordials beings who created everything, destroyed the titans. As Greek mythology goes with each offspring the power goes up, clearly that isn’t the same in Norse since Odin is superior to thor. And thors children aren’t shit, whereas kratos at magni and modis age WHILE BEING A MORTAL, was feared through the lands. Zeus commanded being who created existence while Odin was fiddling around with a mask to find out what will happen. Besides as mimir himself said, the powers of a Norse god is far lesser than that of the Greeks as time manipulation knocked his imaginary legs off.
They followed his command out of respect as they thought that's how it should be.Nyx and Erebus are untouchable to they point people didn't even make up lots of stories about them cause the stories would suck with such unrelatable entities.
If you actually read the greek myths, each generation is weaker, not stronger. the greek gods usurped the titans via treachery. the titans were weaker than the primordials. The next generation after the greek gods was man, who was destined to overthrow the gods. To postpone that, zeus did some fuckery and placed curses upon the newborn race to weaken them and make them struggle more to achieve their destiny. All of greek myth is a slow degredation from the original powers, with each one being overthrown not by stronger, but more cunning creatures. Prometheus was punished cause fire was the first step towards usurping the gods.
@@Heheha329 In GoW, Nyx and Erebus are subservenient in Hades' chtonic pantheon. They created an armor for him even. Chains of Olympus also provides alot of lore about the Greek world and that the Protegonoi serve under Zeus' cosmic order.
I think it's debatable on Thor killing Kratos Because it looked like he was knocked out rather than killed. Not only that, when you've been hit by The hammer, you're not left in one piece. The hammer has enough destructive force to split the Earth and for critics.Get hit by it and not have a skull cracked or Head smashed makes you think he was knocked out. 10:10
He was dead. The death screen overlay even began to come in before Thor said "hell nah you aint allowed to die yet!" and defibrillated him with the lightning from Mjolnir.
The only Titans who Zeus shot down at the great war was Cronos and Atlas. The other where in a limbo at time because Kratos took them to the future, so for those titans the great war event just jumped to gow 3 begining
This is definitely not a close fight. Zeus was by far the most powerful enemy Kratos has ever faced. He had every weapon, power, and ability to face Zeus. He stabbed him multiple times, used allies, had the greatest power in the entire series (Hope) and it was still a pretty close call. Zeus was a menace and I'm sure Kratos would not want a runback with him EVER
Kratos is arguably "weaker" than he used to be, to clarify he's not actually weaker if anything he's only gotten stronger as time went on, but he lacks that blood boiling rage he used to have Old Kratos if killed would just punch his way out of Tartarus and keep fighting New Kratos if killed just accepts his time has come, that's why Thor has to force you to come back to life to keep fighting in case you die to him So while Kratos is technically stronger, the fact he's not really there mentally means he is way less dangerous than he used to be
Yeah, much mature Kratos in new games. Kratos uses war techniques of Spartans and strength of God. Brute strength gods can one shot him, but Kratos wont allow that to happen. He is a warrior and general first.
Let’s end this debate once and for for all yea? Odin never created the 9 realms it’s was Ymir’s blood and dead body. Odin is weaker than Ymir, needed his brothers. Primordial in the Greek area created the universe and possibly the multiverse (would have to go back and look) by punching each other. The titans beat the primordials and the Greek gods beat the titans, kratos killed a whole primordial himself( primordial of death) thor can punch something into the past isn’t a feat that comes close to the Greek side. Thor using all his power to shake the world tree while when zues is angry can shake a whole infinite sized dimension he’s not even in. Thor isn’t even the strongest person kratos fought, just had some of the heaviest punches he’s felt, that all. It was never close and the fact that ppl don’t get this over a piece of fiction has me scared about y’all’s mental capacity for the future 💀 edit: this video gets one fundamental thing wrong. Kratos is ALWAYS holding back even in is rematch with Thor. On top of that when a Norse “god” dies not fundamental change in nature and law happens like when the Greeks gods died. Seriously it was never close to begin with
Thor isn't so much a god as he is a very powerful being whose power is enhanced by mjolnir. His power to manipulate lightning is his only godly trait. He is dumb, easily manipulated, emotionally unstable, submissive, driven to drink at the alightest of verbal abuses, he is also broken, probably Odin's doing. He is a step or two above baldur in terms of cranial capacity. He is a blunt tool. Zeus, on the other hand, more befots the description of a god in GoW universe. TBH, even Odin probably won't last more than a few minutes against Zeus. In the greek saga, Zeus outsmarted, out muscled and outmatched Kratos, and wven killed him a time or two... None of the norse "gods" are even much of a threat... actually, the valkaries were probably the closest beings to be considered as a legitimate threat ro Kratos, and they're not even considered gods.
In actual norse mythology thor is the strongest being to ever exist, the second place goes to vidarr odinsonn, thors little brother and odins secondborn. Vidarr is not mentioned a lot but he is the god who kills fenrir during ragnarok after fenrir killed odin, vidarr is the silent god of vengance and my favorite god
It's true. Like. While listening to authors bullshit about Odin being more powerful than Thor, i've been a little confused. He didn't even tried to learn anything about actual mythology
@@becas0178 i think OP is talking about physical strength. Thor may be the physically strongest but physical strength isn't everything. Odin is more powerful in magic than Thor and also much smarter and wiser while also having the gift of sight. it wouldn't be surprising for him to be more powerful than Thor overall.
3:35 Kratos was actually holding back, one of the story dudes that made the game said so (I dont remember who) EDIT: I watched till the end and u addressed the holding back thing
It's one of the themes in the entire two games of this soft reboot... not repeating past sins. Kratos starts to get a little angry and snaps Balder's neck instantly; Kratos gets a little angry and immediately puts Thor in his place. The Norse gods are not the threat in this game... Kratos degenerating back to who he was is the threat.
@@koolieman707Oh I must have missed it when the fight had you use Spartan rage which he used everytime he was actually angry or felt the need too throughout the Norse games. Take your own advice.
Yea bro and btw Thor was using 1% of his power it got confirmed by that one guy who made the story (I forgot his name and i dont remmeber who). But trust me he said it its confirmed also by inside sources of mine trust.
At around 9:30-9:45 minutes in? I had half a mind to do some in depth research on the "Titans" and "Primordials" to make a TTRPG setting that brought them back as the Big Deities, with the "Gods" still young and not quite in power, if most of them even existed at all yet. (Or alternate world where some of the Titans escaped or already lived in that the Gods never touched, allowing them to do whatever there.)... Could be a fun idea. One idea was that Gaia (the Planet herself, by whatever name you want to give her) was ONE of the top tier Titans, and she had to hold herself BACK so she didn't accidentally obliterate all life on her surface, and only one or two other Titans (Maybe other Planets themselves) were stronger or equal. Just ideas mostly. I mean if the planet exists, and has so many interpretations as a Titan or a Goddess, it would make sense that she would not go all out if she truly cared about the live living on her surface... Or maybe if destroyed would explain why the planet had only so long to live (Even if it was billions of years before burning out?). Wild ideas and lore that I think could totally be worked on by someone more organized and well-researched than I am, perhaps?
@@Fahim_0666I’ll do it for him. First of all, just bc the Norse gods have magic that let them mess with the world tree, doesn’t mean them in themselves have the power to mess with the multiverse. Zues looks down on infinite sized realms from Olympus. The Greeks gods theoretically have the power to exit their own universe, they just stay in the one they’re in, but since it’s not directly shown, we won’t 100% give it to them. The only reason kratos beat zues was bc of the power of hope and weakening zues with the sword of Olympus. If not for these, zues would’ve dog walked kratos in no time. Greeks magic is greater also. Thor doesn’t even measure up to the big three. But is definitely can go toe to toe with one of the more stronger gods like ares Athena and Apollo
May all I got to say is the story fighting the world surfing was legendary I wish we could have seen it in the game I mean I wish we could have seen it before the entire intro started Thor versus the world surfing
When you were talking about Thor being able to channel lightning, I was thinking Kratos could do it too. If he was in the Greek realm and on top of that eventually he could probably even do it in the north one.
@@dcyungin202 bro base Thanos classic comics doesn't scale above multiversal u know that right? Goku scales above that for sure and it would be good battle because can take enough damage and they are both good fighters
@@anastvezy1485 Bro u dont have to bring up base thanos. Base goku one shots strongest form Thanos. strongest form Thanos power level is like 1000 at best.
I saw a comic where Angels from God came from heaven and attacked mt. Olympus. It wasn’t even close. They quickly defeated the Greek Gods and I think the lead Angel was Michael. Then the scene changed and Michael was on a horseless chariot riding on the rainbow bridge towards Asgard with Zeus chained to the front of it. Zeus weakly looked towards Thor and Odin and said: “…Help…me.”
@@ErickGonzalez-yv1gc that is completely incorrect. We just live in demon’s territory. Earth sucks and it’s difficult to be a good person here. Live positive and reject negativity and you’ll be okay
@@ErickGonzalez-yv1gc you are incredibly incorrect. It’s difficult to be on earth and be a good person. We are just in demons territory. Live your life through positivity and reject negativity. Then you’ll be ok. God can’t die. Don’t let demons make you believe a fallacy
@@usonly101fair enough. However god isnt dead, he just left our realm a lonnggg time ago and he aint coming back. More than one way to be "dead". He is an absentee landlord. 😂🎉
@@Laevatein_777I think lore accurate Doom Slayer is outerversal or something like that, completely over the top. Someone made a good vid about it, you should find it if you type Kratos vs Doom Guy.
But Greek Gods can be cripple or hurt by normal weapons, in the Troyan War the warrior Diomedes wounded Afrodite and defeated Ares with a bronze sword.
@@Fahim_0666 They aren’t, Zeus is clearly the strongest god, kratos has faced. Kratos need many boost, magic and also the power of hope to end Zeus. Kratos was holding back throughout the Norse saga. Zeus is the king of the gods and from his feats and what he capable of, he is definitely strongest god we’ve seen so far. Zeus is the king of the gods for a good reason and there’s a reason why he respected by many gods and mortals. The Norse gods are strong too, but not against another pantheons that are able of wielding way more powerful magic than them and have way more primordial beings.
Do Hercules vs Thor. I think Hercules edges Thor on raw strength, but Thor edges Herc on raw power and abilities. The Nemean cestus should be on par with Mjolnir.
@F4him_789 he wouldn't thor is completely fooder and is a holding back kratos victim zeus barely lost to a rage filled bloodlusted kratos with hades soul blades of exile blade of olympus boots of hermes and the head of helios boots of hermes inf speed nemean cestus plus kratos base strength inf strength soul of hades again equal inf strength yet zeus is seen overpowering kratos at times and zeus is undeniably faster plus zeus already beat hermes in I believe comics these feats of simply overpowering kratos at times and blitzing hermes immediately gives him infinite strength and speed thor has no feat in any department except striking strength as he supposedly shook the world tree but from what I'm aware it's a mythology feat so dosen't matter anyway zeus also survives numerous numerous stabs from the blade of olympus the same blade that killed kratos with a single stab and nearly killed him again with a single stab zeus also one tapped every titan and titans won a war with primordials primordials existed and were capable of fighting and moving before anything existed even time giving them infinite immeasurable speed primordials simply by spilling blood can create dimensions and even infinite dimensions like the underworld and they can create dimensions as they please as seen with thanatos an morpeus meaning primordials have infinite immeasurable speed and infinite power and titans won a war against them which by proxy means they also have infinite immeasurable speed and infinite power yet zeus one tapped their entire race and poseidon and hades are seen insta killing titans showing how far above the Olympians are from beings that existed before time and accidentally created their planet compared to thor who's only impressive feat is in mythology lmao sure he knocked out kratos but he was still holding back immensely and in their rematch in asgard thor Is fully bloodlusted yet kratos is still holding back and wants more to talk than fight and as seen at the beginning one no holding back hit from kratos made thor stumble and lose teeth so no calm kratos isn't stronger than bloodlusted kratos thor is even a helios victim helios power was needed to destroy the world piller something that if destroyed is stated by persephone to destroy creation meaning helios power>creation itself plus he survived slams from atlas a titan that took the pillers place after its destruction meaning atlas has infinite strength yet helios survived slams from from him gow3 helios gets bodied but chains of olympus helios slams badly
@F4him_789 no they aren't lmao they are very simple feats that aren't even carried by statements its pretty common sense primordials transcend time and created everything including Infinite dimensions not debunkable titans won a war against them not debunkable poseidon and hades can one tap titans even the strongest atleast second strongest atlas not debunkable zeus created a weapon capable of one tapping every titan not debunkable zeus survived numerous stabs from the blade of olympus whilst kratos died from one and nearly died again from another one not debunkable zeus blitzed hermes not debunkable zeus negs thor is completely fooder exept in striking strength helios was needed to destroy the world piller not debunkable helios survived slams from a titan that can hold the infinite greek cosmology not debunkable helios light as an after affect immediately lit the infinite underworld again not debunkable do me a favor stfu nothing is debunkable 🤓 here and no I'm not downloading discord just to debate a random nerd in yt comments that can't use his brain for common sense lol
@@thatguy5583 W duck and W yap lmao Norse cosmology scales way higher than the Greek lol it’s logical and narratively implied I can send you all the evidence on disc easily
Let's be realistic, Thor is at the level of Ares' strength or a little weaker than him if Ares was in his giant form and because of Ares' experience and his many abilities and spells because he is the embodiment of war before Kratos and also Ares is the one who made Kratos strong and he is the one who gave him the Blades of Chaos. Thor is not a match for Zeus or even close to his power because due to the intensity of Zeus' power Kratos needed powerful weapons and every weapon rivals or equals the power of Mjolnir itself such as the claws of Hades and others. Add the Blade of Olympus which is made from the energy of Zeus himself and is the most powerful weapon in the entire series. Add to that the power of hope of Pandora's Box and due to the intensity of Zeus' power if he died the Greek world would be destroyed. If only Zeus could recover the Blade of Olympus from Kratos, he would have killed Kratos easily because it is the weapon that most affected Zeus and weakened him unlike the rest of the other weapons.
I see it that way: Thor and Kratos are clearly meant to be equals in Ragnarok, so, if Kratos gave hell to Zeus everytime they fought, so would Thor... of course, different fighters, different set of abilities, but both still pretty much in the same level (Kratos and Thor), I still think that Zeus is stronger, even without the blade of olympus, but it's like to put the heavyweight champion against the light heavyweight champion, the heavyweight has the advantage, but still very VERY competitive...
Thor and kratos aren't equal though. Thor at the end of Ragnarok whilst not holding back was overpowered multiple times by a holding back kratos. I know the video says he isn't holding back but he very much so is. Spartan rage is just a controlled version of his rage so even then he isn't going all out.
Kratos and Thor are meant to be equals. it’s just 2 great warriors battling someone has to lose plus with all kratos plot armor he’s pretty much gonna win all of his fights as long as the plot demands it. At some point he needs to face a god that dominates him or it’s just the same old wash rise and repeat method. Thor did great against kratos even killed him while they BOTH were holding back, but at some point we need a god that is stronger than kratos not just his equal.
No. They are NOT equals because Kratos never needed to use his rage to beat the crap out of him, which was clear, especially in the anticlimactic second fight of Trashnarock.
Well to be far Thor lost that end fight with Kratos because He was so blinded by his anger. Thors real weakness is his mental state which Odin took advantage of. I can Agree that Zeus would have a better chance at winning but if Thors mental state isn’t completely broken like it was at the end of Ragnarok then he’d have a better chance
Thor took 5 hits to the same area in his gut with three different weapons one of them, which is covered in his weakness, Jormangandr’s venom, hit him 3 times in the same area.
Well actually God of war Zeus is pretty close planetary destruction level in power scaling. However if it's simply marvel's MCU Chris Hemsworth with The Odin force, I don't know Because MCU Thor can hold and control Lightning at will thanks to the Odin force..but if this is blood lusted God of war Zeus wins because I think the blade of Olympus does way more damage than mjnoir or storm breaker. FYI - God of war fans need to study more about mcus storm breaker that axe is way more powerful than you think. Stated by the producers of marvel's avengers and Thor, if Thor wanted to unleash it's full power of the bifrost it can destroy earth with one powerful blow
@@ForSparta3195 no he's not above planetary no where is it proven God of war gods including kratos are multiversal. Greece and Scandinavia are on the same earth. Kratos never time traveled to get to the Norse realms the fallen gods comic said he was Roaming the earth for about 500 years through Egypt. The comics also proves he was dragged into Midgard by two wolves. The mythology gods are not multiversal they are city to planetary depending on feats. Kratos is not the most powerful character in gow it's actually Athena and Thoth who sit in the twilight realm as watchers of earth.
I think it depends on the location. As the game says the Greek powers are tied to the land, if Zeus went to Norse lands he would have no magic. The Norse though it doesn't seem to be tied to the land so Thor would still have power in Greece. On the matter of the sword being able to take godhood, I think that's just godhood that was in that land, so I'm not sure that Zeus would be able to make Thor mortal. If anything it would be a really close fight.
The most impressive magic in the nine realms os probably the curse on baulder *Looks sideways to that one greek hero with basically the same power, but he wasn't nearly as important*
Its been stated by the creator that Kratos is more powerful in the recent games than his time in Greece. Thor literally killed him and ressurected him. Its that simple
He doesn’t have more power at all, he stronger because he can control his anger. Kratos hasn’t trained at all ever since he left Greece. Also gods don’t get stronger just by working out or whatever, because they can’t boost their strength like mortals do. They would be born with whatever power level they had. For example, Zeus in the game was a child and couldn’t defeat his father since he an infant and when he grew up, he now capable of defeating his father. Gaia didn’t trained him or anything but just watch over him until he reached adulthood. Zeus was already born with a high level of power that’s meant for him to have a higher status.
@@lordyoda9382Kratos trained through Fimbulwinter for Ragnarok and is even narratively implied. Ragnarok Kratos is the most powerful version of Kratos to date
@@Fahim_0666 He did prepare himself for Fimbulwinter, but he didn’t get stronger physically. Gods don’t get stronger just by training, like mortals do.
Devs confirmed that Zeus would beat the Norse gods like Baldur and Thor then they said the better question to ask would be Zeus vs Odin but the devs didn’t answer that it’s for us to decide which means they’re closer in power than it seems. They did poorly show Odin in the games but in the lore and novels he’s much MUCH better and definitely lives up to be an equal to Zeus.
The thing is, Thor was using his full strength when fighting Kratos while Kratos is holding back trying to be a better person. If we had the OG Kratos where he was full of rage and demon time the fight between him and thor would’ve been over in the first game. The only time you see the OG Kratos is when his son is in danger and unleashes the rage he holds and bottles up.
Thor is strong, But Zeus is a "High Father" like Odin(in the GoW universe to be Honest Zeus is Stronger then Odin by a light years), even agaist Kratos he just die because Plot demands, there is no way to thor even have a chance.
@@Fahim_0666 Yeah, after he stops crying about a stupid mask, stop talking for once, and lose to a holdingback Kratos with just a fragment of the hope power, then he can try to a beat a guy with the power to destroy Hundreds of Universal leval enemys. ok
@@LeonardoTyrone-sr4qz A holding back Thor killed a holding back Kratos in the first fight + in the second fight Thor was weakened via Jormungandrs poison,mental problems and he was also drunk. Also in the second fight he had already endured a fight with Jormungandr,Ragnarok and the armies of the other realms. With being weakened he still managed the Splinter the Yggdrasil and sent Jormungandr back through time. Also Norse magic > Greek magic. And Ragnarok Kratos > end of gow3 Kratos
One small detail I wanted to point out. Yeah, Thor killed all the Giants, but you called the Giants warriors when they definitely weren't. It's even stated in the game a few times that they weren't a warrior race. They were arcticians, curators and a people of peace. But warriors, they were not. Which is why they went into hiding in the first place and fought to survive rather than stay, fight, and be killed off entirely.
Not really Hellas religion zeus destroys thor magni who is stronger than thor while zeus has been stated to have boundless might which is infinite strength zeus destroys thor
Thor fighting thr world serpent is similar to what kratos went through fighting the titans, traveling through time, and hes fighting Old man Kratos. And if kraod takes after his papi Zeus, he grows stronger with age, hope we see somenof that power in thr next GoW with kratos
Zeus is at the top of his limit Thor will only get stronger and powerful the older he gets asguardians get more powerful as they get older and Thor will surpass Odin
Ares alone is clearly superior to all Norse Gods as seen in his depiction and feats in the GoW 1 Game and Novel. Clearly has more raw power than Thor and more hax than Odin + Freya combined. Zeus towers above the mortal Aesir tribe. The Norse Gods didnt live up to the Greek ones, not in lore, not in godhood and certainly not by feats. With their mere voice alone Ares, Poseidon and Zeus tremble infinite realms to the core. All the insane haxfeats that the Greeks displayed tower above the Norse ones, even tho they are innate power of the Greek Gods and not some hyped up "ancient magic" or whatever lol Just face it, kids.
Kid, get off your copioids. Odin created a universal system of realms. Nine in total, including Earth (Midgard). Thor is God of Thunder across all the realms and capable of destroying every being should Odin deem it necessary to restore order. Zeus is toast. He's only an Earthbound God. His home base is literally a mountain in Greece. Not only that, he has a final resting place on Yuchtas Mount in Crete. Irrefutable proof that he is not immune to death. Doesn't help much that the Greeks believe everything happens on Earth and that there's no concept of a universe in their eyes.
Thor demolishes Greek gow lol. feats and inverse all show Norse>Greek. Old kratos>>>>young kratos, baldur>all Greek enemies, black breath>Greek magic, Odin>all gods kratos has fought, Thor fracturing yggdrasil(tree that transcends time and space and possibly contains infinite timelines+holding the 9 realms), shaking the 9 realms fighting jorm, Odin killing ymir and creating 6 realms from his corpse etc. don't even start with kratos "holding back" lmfao he just doesn't let his rage control him. Already made clear in the novel he wasn't holding back shit against baldur so why would he hold back against Thor💀
It's true Zuez and Thor are insane powerhouses. Now the part mentioning domiating Kratos is just a sneak attack nothing more. It only counts as domination if both parties clash head on and one pushes over the other which Kratos did as Zuez was no longer able to use sneak attacks. Thor made it look like he's stronger only because as he kept going on about Kratos was holding back. His punches to Thor's face at the start of the fight were not the same as the last punch that knocked a tooth out of Thor's mouth.
If we were realm swapping I’d agree, if Thor went to Greece Zeus would end him with a thought, but if Zeus went to Midgard it would be a different story altogether because Zeus has no control over Midgards magics. I’d have to say that if they met in neutral ground it would depend on each of their masteries. I’d wager to bet that Zeus’s strategy would fall to killing Thor before he could close the distance because in a match of sheer brute strength Thor would destroy Zeus.
If we're going by the original myths, Greek immortals can't die. They can only be injured and mutilated like Hephaestus and Prometheus. Clue is in the word 'immortal' XD but Norse gods do die in their myths, probably indicating that they're not really immortal but more likely ageless
Cool video, but probably pisses lots of people off. Cory Barlog has said old Kratos gets stronger, but he also said he made the game (2018) after he became a father himself, and some of his experiences are mirrored with Kratos. For this to be a real and honest discussion, it really should include the opinion of the guy that created the entire mythos of God of War, David Jaffe. In early versions of the original idea pitch, he had ideas already in place about other pantheons being involved. He has spoken about the fact he didn't like many of the changes that were made to Kratos, and has stated after the events of Ares, and the manipulation of Kratos by the Greek Gods, Kratos is just a monster, a damaged and broken monster. Jaffe didn't have anything to do with the new games, just like Barlog only contributed to GOW III after the first several months. Many of the older fans continue to say Kratos is holding back, because it really does look that way compared to older games. I like both, honestly and I'm glad new people have been brought into the series. However, I'll always defer to the creator of the IP for these types of discussions. It is analogous to someone taking the entire new approach of Star Wars characters as a new director would suggest, and toss out what George Lucas considers as the correct story and interpretation. His version always wins, because he created it entirely. Same thing in this scenario with Jaffe.
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Zeus survived 7 stabs from the blade of olympus
Let that sink in...
Infact there is no reason to believe that any Norse God would survive and tank the hits and injuries that Zeus came back from in GoW 2 and 3.
@@vlad_47Thor killed Kratos and resurrected him?!’
@@knrz2562 How tf do you figure that?
If Thor had the power of ressurection then why doesnt he use it on his sons and brother Baldur?
If Kratos died then why didnt he even bleed or why didnt his skull crack?
Kratos health-bar also collapsed and cracked against the Kraken and Fear Zeus, doesnt mean he was really dead.
@@knrz2562 Nah, his hammer acts like a defibrillator machine to Kratos. It only shocks him back from his "sleep"
@@knrz2562 kratos was holding back and Thor knew that, that’s why he resurrected him but then again Thor was also holding back
Zeus is actually more powerful than kratos in strength, you forget one thing, kratos used strategy in weaken zeus before God of war 3, by stabbing zeus with the blade of olympus zeus become so weak that kratos could match strenght with him, you can confirm this by just watching their fight in gow 2 and by listen to what he told gaia
Fun fact in the original material from which the game Kratos was pulled from Kratos was the God of Strength in the Greek pantheon.
Zeus was actually resistant to his power and became even more stronger by God of war three, even the Brady guides said this. It just all came down to weapon mastery and conceptual power, which is a lot stronger than anything the Norse has.
Even the weapons as well are already broken by Norse standards but in Greek, even champions can wield them like mjolnir.
@@John2r1 In Greek Mythology, Cratos is not a god. He is a Titan. Titans are stronger than gods. Hercules was the strongest god. Second strongest being behind Cratos
@@John2r1yea
Not Gaia, he told Atlas “By taking the Blade of Olympus back and driving it into Zeus' heart! It holds the power I once wielded as the god of war!” GoW 2.
Freya even admitted in the game that the Greek realm is VASTLY more powerful in magic
Nope, she never said that. She said ''The Norns of this land have no such magic.'' That's it. That's literally all she said. If we're playing that game, Kratos literally being baffled at Thor's power saying ''That's ridiculous!'' when Mimir told him Thor sent Jormungandr back in time is proof that Thor, and the Norse verse, is far stronger than the Greeks.
@@TheStraightestWhitest BS. Freya was equally shocked at how the Greek magic allows for accurate timetravel in order to change history and fate.
Kratos was "shocked" at the absurdity of someone being struck back in time, due to some World Tree being actually in charge of Time itself in this "pantheon" of mortal fraudsters
@@vlad_47yeah northern gods being mortal and can die the greek ones being immortal and still die💀
@@timb4297 Norse Gods are fragile.
Seen with all their deaths lol
@@vlad_47 yeah you could say the same about the greek gods then seen with all their deaths
Zeus would absolutely dogwalk Thor, and he wouldn't need to give it his all to do it. As for Kratos, we have developer statements confirming he is holding back *at all times* in GoW and GoW: Ragnarok. In *every* fight. Yes, including the one where he handed Thor his ass.
I need those for a debate
You should really provide *feats.* Idle chatter doesn't prove anything except the lack of evidence you're willing to show. The top comment states Zeus survived being stabbed MULTIPLE times by the Blade of Olympus, presumably the strongest weapon in GoW because ANOTHER comment mentions Freya admitting that the Greek pantheon was far more gifted with magic.
Said developer statements literally confirm that Odin is the biggest threat in the entire franchise and that Kratos’s spartan skills will be tested like never before. Thor is stated in Kratos’s codex that his attacks is more heavy and powerful than he’s ever felt. Thor dog walks Zeus. Cory Barlog confirmed that Old Kratos beats Young Kratos
@@liammcguire1954 Yeah, no. They outright said Odin wasn't as powerful as Zeus. You're right about the codex and Cory Barlog saying old Kratos is more powerful than young Kratos, however. That being said, there's a difference between having heavy blows and being the most powerful. Thor has a ton of brute strength. Zeus had literal cosmic power at his disposal on top of being every bit as physically strong as old Kratos is now.
@@razztastic Developer statements trump feats.
Kratos was not even out of breath after handing Thor’s ass to him how can you say he wasn’t holding back, he didn’t even use spartan rage in the cutscenes
Thor literally killed kratos not many gods can claim that
@@huskyamethyst6541Killing a Kratos who's holding back is not a feat when compared to a bloodlusted Kratos.
@@yokotubene it’s is a big feat considering only a few beings has ever actually killed kratos canonically in the first place. Kratos was holding back yes but so was Thor considering that he just needed to distract kratos so Odin could talk to Atreus in the first place.
@@huskyamethyst6541 Kratos still managed to beat Thor without using his rage. Even Baldur made Kratos use his rage to overpower him. Had Thor killed a bloodlusted Kratos, that would've been an impressive feat, but he didn't. In the second fight, Thor lost to Kratos fairly easily even though Thor was going all out while Kratos was STILL holding back.
@huskyamethyst6541 zeus also killed kratos as well but since kratso was from greek he went to the underworld but zeus as a old man bought him back and in gow 2 Gaia bought him back as well
Sorry, but Kratos is NEVER going all out in new gen games, as stated by devs. Zeus, if not weakened in GoW 2, leading up to the climax of 3, would have obliterated Kratos in that final fight, even with Kratos trying his hardest. Let's be real, if Kratos lost control, he would solo Asgard in a day.
Probably around two to three hours at the shortest, longest would be around twenty some plus hours?
I dunno, I'm just guessing.
He'll go all out if someone kills Atreus 😂
Bro Thor got killed by Thor, let that sink in.
GOW 3 Zeus was as strong if not stronger than GOW 2 Zeus bud.
@@Derevocsidi bruh baldur literally stabbed and beat atreus and kratos didnt change one bit XD
If you look at it, another way to compare the strengths between the Norse gods and the Greek gods is in how they die, and I don't mean them just dying to Kratos. But most if not all of the Greek gods cause a devastating catastrophe that shifts the order of the natural realm they govern, such as the souls of the dead not being bound to Hades once Hades dies, to Poseidon causing an enormous flood. We could even say that Thanatos the god of death's catastrophe was Kratos' wrath against the gods, eloquently put by Zeus calling him "Death, the destroyer of worlds".
Yet when a Norse god dies, they just...die. No explosions that shift in the natural order, no huge catastrophes, no huge explosion. They just fall over and die, like any mortal would.
So if the Greek gods can hold that level of power to cause that much devastation when they die, then comparing the Norse gods to the Greek would be like comparing A bag of grapes to an entire vineyard. We're using the same fruit, but on a very different scale.
Well it’s because the greek gods created their realm/universe. When they die their work is undone. Asgardians are olympians are fundamentally two different types of deities
Bro Thor got killed by Thor, let that sink in.
@picassojulien899 The norse gods also created the realms on their own. After killing Ymir, they used his body to sculpt the whole world, using every part to create the 9 realms. yet when the gods died, their work still remained. Then again, it wasn't their power per se, more so them just building the world with what they were given.
on a side note, these norse gods are really just some dieties as you said, and not true gods that govern something of fundamental nature.
Baldurs death brought thimble winter. He didn't just die. In norse mythology, it states that when Baldur died, the Animals wept, the trees wept, the stones of the earth wept. Even fire and iron wept.
Zeus stomps even if we go by their actual version in the myths. Olympians are immortal while Asgardians aren't. Zeus will just have to fight Thor for a few thousands years until Thor dies of old age lmao. I love both characters in these games tho.
That is Marvel versions, not real mythology. The nordic gods live forever as well until Ragnarök.
@@hurmur9528 Nordic gods were never immortal. They ate apples of Idunn that extended their life spans far beyond normal. They just live for a really long time (they do got a bit longer than a few thousand years). But, Idunn is fated to die during Ragnarok. Meaning the ones that do survive will be completely mortal.
If we are going to use myths, Thor’s mother, Jord, is the giant goddess of the Earth. She would be Gaia to the Greeks. So Thor would be Zeus’s uncle, due to Thor being brothers with Chronos. Do with that knowledge what you like.
@@richardwilliams3080he'd be brothers/cousins with Zeus by that logic
@@adriansmith6717 Zeus’s mother is Rhea, who was technically Cronos’s sister. Gaia is Cronos’s mother. Jord would have been Gaia. That would make Thor Cronos’s half brother.
Thor isn't even in the same realm of power as someone like Zeus maybe Ares or Poseidon but that's is as far as he can go in the Greek world.
Ares would just step on him, thats very clear from his GoW 1 + Novel feats and depiction.
He is not close to POSEIDON either...Poseidon is a elder god much like Zeus and Hades...he would mash Thor
@@vlad_47Thor killed almost all the giants of Norse mythology they’re literally Titan sized as big as ares so not really.
@@venjustice6666 They are fodder and only rare ones like Thamur were actually big.
You dont even know this very basic fact so go home and get better.
@@venjustice6666you clearly are uninformed. Most giants were human sized.
Zeus is on a power level with Odin and Jupiter.
Zues is jupiter
@@FredLloyd-Ward-iu4rm well, sorta. Zeus is from the Greek pantheon, Jupiter the Roman pantheon, Odin the Norse pantheon.
There are equivalent sky gods throughout all forms of mythology. It's an interesting study.:)
Who is Jupiter
@@jasonbean2764 in percy jackson zues and jupiter are litterly the same person plus loom at the gods
Possédon =neptune
Hades =pluto
Hera =juno
Ares=mars
The pantheons are the exact same with diffrent names you cant really get norse équivalents for them so zues=jupiter
Zues does not equal odin
@@bigstone75 roman zues
Old Kratos: Physical Strength, Endurance, Iq, Battle Iq, Experience, Knowledge.
Young Kratos: Speed, Agility, Stamina, Hax/Magic, Weapons
Old kratos is faster dan young its not beacause he is bigger he is slower
@@studiobaguette7781 hmm maybe however we need to take in account, running speed, reaction speed which ahs has it
@@studiobaguette7781with that damn gameplay it’s no way I’ll ever believe old kratos is faster
@@t-god2439 when u see gow character they seems like super human not gods so
@@studiobaguette7781 I get it but the game play in the new gow of does not show speed at all
If Thor can't take out Odin he can't take out Zeus
Doesn’t work like that just because they are stated to be equal doesn’t they actually are and it doesn’t mean they are equal in every way
that doesnt even make any sense
@@BigDaddyRich69 Odin and Zeus are stated to be equals but yet Odin is more powerful and smarter while Zeus is just faster and stronger. So that what I mean by that’s not always true
Thor can take Odin. He just doesn't want to
Even if Thor could destroy Zeus' physical form he would still have to contend with fear Zeus afterwards.
Zeus Shet Stomps Thor the power gap is massive
Thor: “I killed Giants.”
Zeus: “I killed Titans.”
Thor: “Does this mean we’re BFFs?”
Zeus: 🤷🏾♂️
As much as the marvel fans would love to say thor, reality is Zeus would win. God of gods is a title even us humans sometimes boast of our god though it’s a bit hypocritical. Zeus commanded the primordials beings who created everything, destroyed the titans. As Greek mythology goes with each offspring the power goes up, clearly that isn’t the same in Norse since Odin is superior to thor. And thors children aren’t shit, whereas kratos at magni and modis age WHILE BEING A MORTAL, was feared through the lands. Zeus commanded being who created existence while Odin was fiddling around with a mask to find out what will happen. Besides as mimir himself said, the powers of a Norse god is far lesser than that of the Greeks as time manipulation knocked his imaginary legs off.
They followed his command out of respect as they thought that's how it should be.Nyx and Erebus are untouchable to they point people didn't even make up lots of stories about them cause the stories would suck with such unrelatable entities.
If you actually read the greek myths, each generation is weaker, not stronger. the greek gods usurped the titans via treachery. the titans were weaker than the primordials. The next generation after the greek gods was man, who was destined to overthrow the gods. To postpone that, zeus did some fuckery and placed curses upon the newborn race to weaken them and make them struggle more to achieve their destiny. All of greek myth is a slow degredation from the original powers, with each one being overthrown not by stronger, but more cunning creatures. Prometheus was punished cause fire was the first step towards usurping the gods.
@@lanereynolds4567 In real Greek myth sure but in the God of War games Zeus is the strongest.
@@Heheha329 In GoW, Nyx and Erebus are subservenient in Hades' chtonic pantheon.
They created an armor for him even.
Chains of Olympus also provides alot of lore about the Greek world and that the Protegonoi serve under Zeus' cosmic order.
Marvel fans? What does Marvel have to do with it?
I think this is limited to Thor of God of War. Not Marvel Thor.
I think it's debatable on Thor killing Kratos Because it looked like he was knocked out rather than killed. Not only that, when you've been hit by The hammer, you're not left in one piece. The hammer has enough destructive force to split the Earth and for critics.Get hit by it and not have a skull cracked or Head smashed makes you think he was knocked out. 10:10
That's what I've always thought as well. It really doesn't seem like kratos had been killed, just knocked out cold
I think it was confirmed he was killed but I cannot remember the exact source so take it with a grain
He literally used his hammer as a defibrillator to kratos
@@JayH669 yeah he hit him so hard it stopped his heart. I don't remember Kratos taking such a brutal blow that flat out killed him xD
He was dead. The death screen overlay even began to come in before Thor said "hell nah you aint allowed to die yet!" and defibrillated him with the lightning from Mjolnir.
Great breakdown of this God of War match up
Bro Thor got killed by Thor, let that sink in.
The only Titans who Zeus shot down at the great war was Cronos and Atlas. The other where in a limbo at time because Kratos took them to the future, so for those titans the great war event just jumped to gow 3 begining
This is definitely not a close fight. Zeus was by far the most powerful enemy Kratos has ever faced. He had every weapon, power, and ability to face Zeus. He stabbed him multiple times, used allies, had the greatest power in the entire series (Hope) and it was still a pretty close call. Zeus was a menace and I'm sure Kratos would not want a runback with him EVER
Fear was also a massive intellectual handicap, without which Zeus and his universe ruling pantheon would have dealt with Kratos and Gaia very quickly.
Kratos is arguably "weaker" than he used to be, to clarify he's not actually weaker if anything he's only gotten stronger as time went on, but he lacks that blood boiling rage he used to have
Old Kratos if killed would just punch his way out of Tartarus and keep fighting
New Kratos if killed just accepts his time has come, that's why Thor has to force you to come back to life to keep fighting in case you die to him
So while Kratos is technically stronger, the fact he's not really there mentally means he is way less dangerous than he used to be
Yeah, much mature Kratos in new games. Kratos uses war techniques of Spartans and strength of God. Brute strength gods can one shot him, but Kratos wont allow that to happen. He is a warrior and general first.
"Why Gamora vs Deathstroke is not even close"
Let’s end this debate once and for for all yea? Odin never created the 9 realms it’s was Ymir’s blood and dead body. Odin is weaker than Ymir, needed his brothers. Primordial in the Greek area created the universe and possibly the multiverse (would have to go back and look) by punching each other. The titans beat the primordials and the Greek gods beat the titans, kratos killed a whole primordial himself( primordial of death) thor can punch something into the past isn’t a feat that comes close to the Greek side. Thor using all his power to shake the world tree while when zues is angry can shake a whole infinite sized dimension he’s not even in. Thor isn’t even the strongest person kratos fought, just had some of the heaviest punches he’s felt, that all. It was never close and the fact that ppl don’t get this over a piece of fiction has me scared about y’all’s mental capacity for the future 💀 edit: this video gets one fundamental thing wrong. Kratos is ALWAYS holding back even in is rematch with Thor. On top of that when a Norse “god” dies not fundamental change in nature and law happens like when the Greeks gods died. Seriously it was never close to begin with
Don’t forget Kratos’ journal entry on Thor.
And.. karatos wasn't even out of breath when he skelped him 😂😂
Thor isn't so much a god as he is a very powerful being whose power is enhanced by mjolnir. His power to manipulate lightning is his only godly trait.
He is dumb, easily manipulated, emotionally unstable, submissive, driven to drink at the alightest of verbal abuses, he is also broken, probably Odin's doing. He is a step or two above baldur in terms of cranial capacity. He is a blunt tool.
Zeus, on the other hand, more befots the description of a god in GoW universe. TBH, even Odin probably won't last more than a few minutes against Zeus.
In the greek saga, Zeus outsmarted, out muscled and outmatched Kratos, and wven killed him a time or two... None of the norse "gods" are even much of a threat... actually, the valkaries were probably the closest beings to be considered as a legitimate threat ro Kratos, and they're not even considered gods.
Yep, the Aesir and Vanir are mortal tribes while the Greek pantheon are actual dieties.
In actual norse mythology thor is the strongest being to ever exist, the second place goes to vidarr odinsonn, thors little brother and odins secondborn. Vidarr is not mentioned a lot but he is the god who kills fenrir during ragnarok after fenrir killed odin, vidarr is the silent god of vengance and my favorite god
same
It's true. Like. While listening to authors bullshit about Odin being more powerful than Thor, i've been a little confused. He didn't even tried to learn anything about actual mythology
Baldr is my favorite even though his story is tragic
strongest as in strength?
@@becas0178 i think OP is talking about physical strength. Thor may be the physically strongest but physical strength isn't everything. Odin is more powerful in magic than Thor and also much smarter and wiser while also having the gift of sight. it wouldn't be surprising for him to be more powerful than Thor overall.
Kratos rocked Thor what are you talking about
Good one!!!❤
Guys don’t argue, appreciate thus masterpiece of a game. Watching this is making me want to watch the gameplay again.
Batman vs Giganta (DC Comics)
Naruto Uzumaki vs Hulk
Beerus vs Wonder Woman
Ghost Rider vs Kratos
Nightwing vs Victor Zsasz
WHAT THE FUCK IS WONDER WOMAN GONNA DO AGAINST BEERUS
@@edomination7139stomp him like she does against dragon ball as a whole
@@Goddess-of-rot54 Hakai shes dead.
@@Goddess-of-rot54 Just because shes a DC character doesn't mean she can wipe a universe because of some bullshit form 😂
@@edomination7139 ngl WW stomps base form 0 effort.
It is stated in norse mythology that lightning is Thor throwing mjolnir at a jotun, and thunder is the hammer hitting it's target
3:35 Kratos was actually holding back, one of the story dudes that made the game said so (I dont remember who)
EDIT: I watched till the end and u addressed the holding back thing
oh really, why tf would Kratos hold back to a man who he didn't even know who just punched a hammer in his face? Just accept it
It's one of the themes in the entire two games of this soft reboot... not repeating past sins. Kratos starts to get a little angry and snaps Balder's neck instantly; Kratos gets a little angry and immediately puts Thor in his place. The Norse gods are not the threat in this game... Kratos degenerating back to who he was is the threat.
@@koolieman707Oh I must have missed it when the fight had you use Spartan rage which he used everytime he was actually angry or felt the need too throughout the Norse games.
Take your own advice.
@@thefunnymofo7857reading this comment I can’t tell if you’re agreeing or disagreeing by saying take your own advice..
Yea bro and btw Thor was using 1% of his power it got confirmed by that one guy who made the story (I forgot his name and i dont remmeber who). But trust me he said it its confirmed also by inside sources of mine trust.
That was savage i didnt know 5 % of that stuff about zeus im mind blown
Odin can’t even fuck with Zeus
Starfire vs She hulk
John Wick vs winter soldier
Mario vs Kratos
Catwoman vs Black canary
Thor vs Omni man
She Hulk
Winter Soldier
Mario
Black Canary
Thor
She Hulk
WS
Kratos
Black Canary
Thor
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Winter soldier
Kratos
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Can you do Tiger club versus tigers?
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At around 9:30-9:45 minutes in? I had half a mind to do some in depth research on the "Titans" and "Primordials" to make a TTRPG setting that brought them back as the Big Deities, with the "Gods" still young and not quite in power, if most of them even existed at all yet. (Or alternate world where some of the Titans escaped or already lived in that the Gods never touched, allowing them to do whatever there.)... Could be a fun idea.
One idea was that Gaia (the Planet herself, by whatever name you want to give her) was ONE of the top tier Titans, and she had to hold herself BACK so she didn't accidentally obliterate all life on her surface, and only one or two other Titans (Maybe other Planets themselves) were stronger or equal. Just ideas mostly. I mean if the planet exists, and has so many interpretations as a Titan or a Goddess, it would make sense that she would not go all out if she truly cared about the live living on her surface... Or maybe if destroyed would explain why the planet had only so long to live (Even if it was billions of years before burning out?). Wild ideas and lore that I think could totally be worked on by someone more organized and well-researched than I am, perhaps?
Gaia is a primordial disguised as a titan to aid the titans as said in the novels.
Why was this an upload there better not be a debunked video about this ZEUS wins all day everyday
Thor beats Zeus
@@Fahim_0666 I disagree but I respect your opinion
@@hardhitter1016 why do you disagree
@@Fahim_0666I’ll do it for him. First of all, just bc the Norse gods have magic that let them mess with the world tree, doesn’t mean them in themselves have the power to mess with the multiverse. Zues looks down on infinite sized realms from Olympus. The Greeks gods theoretically have the power to exit their own universe, they just stay in the one they’re in, but since it’s not directly shown, we won’t 100% give it to them. The only reason kratos beat zues was bc of the power of hope and weakening zues with the sword of Olympus. If not for these, zues would’ve dog walked kratos in no time. Greeks magic is greater also. Thor doesn’t even measure up to the big three. But is definitely can go toe to toe with one of the more stronger gods like ares Athena and Apollo
@@Fahim_0666Kratos' journal about Thor says it all, if Kratos thinks Thor was weaker then Thor is weaker
May all I got to say is the story fighting the world surfing was legendary I wish we could have seen it in the game I mean I wish we could have seen it before the entire intro started Thor versus the world surfing
Coming from the same guy who once said darth maul would beat darth vader in a fight lol
He could. But pre burn Anikian would clap maul easily.
Maul did beat Vader in a fight
Litteraly when? Maul died before Anakin was even born@@RandomMackem0069_Official
He DID beat Vader in a fight.
Killer Croc vs LeatherHead vs The Lizard. That would be a fight
Reptilians? Cool, really cool...but Lizard easily slimlystmops .
Hey man, congrats on having a baby 🖤
He should do a vid putting his baby against kratos.
@@kingpotato7183 lol
When you were talking about Thor being able to channel lightning, I was thinking Kratos could do it too. If he was in the Greek realm and on top of that eventually he could probably even do it in the north one.
Immortal hulk vs darkseid new 52
Blue marvel vs doomsday
Goku vs thanos
Black adam vs mangog
Cosmic thor vs superboy prime
Goku Vs Thanos💀
@@dcyungin202 bro base Thanos classic comics doesn't scale above multiversal u know that right?
Goku scales above that for sure and it would be good battle because can take enough damage and they are both good fighters
@@anastvezy1485yes he does read a comic
@@anastvezy1485 Bro u dont have to bring up base thanos. Base goku one shots strongest form Thanos. strongest form Thanos power level is like 1000 at best.
@@watappp no bro u fucked it up
4:33 "he's been farting for centuries"
I saw a comic where Angels from God came from heaven and attacked mt. Olympus. It wasn’t even close. They quickly defeated the Greek Gods and I think the lead Angel was Michael. Then the scene changed and Michael was on a horseless chariot riding on the rainbow bridge towards Asgard with Zeus chained to the front of it. Zeus weakly looked towards Thor and Odin and said: “…Help…me.”
God is dead i think.
@@ErickGonzalez-yv1gc that is completely incorrect. We just live in demon’s territory. Earth sucks and it’s difficult to be a good person here. Live positive and reject negativity and you’ll be okay
@@ErickGonzalez-yv1gc you are incredibly incorrect. It’s difficult to be on earth and be a good person. We are just in demons territory. Live your life through positivity and reject negativity.
Then you’ll be ok. God can’t die. Don’t let demons make you believe a fallacy
@@usonly101fair enough. However god isnt dead, he just left our realm a lonnggg time ago and he aint coming back.
More than one way to be "dead". He is an absentee landlord. 😂🎉
The norse gods are sorta "mortal" while the greek gids are physical manifestations of nature and the universe
Immortality wont win u the fight bro
I mean, tiger claw
I was kinda hoping this was about the characters from mythology, but I guess this is fine
Kratos vs the doom guy
Now that‘s not close.
@@Dr_Skowronekfor who tho?
@@Laevatein_777I think lore accurate Doom Slayer is outerversal or something like that, completely over the top. Someone made a good vid about it, you should find it if you type Kratos vs Doom Guy.
Also something from the real mythologies (facts which do not apply in the games): Norse gods can die while Greek gods can't
But Greek Gods can be cripple or hurt by normal weapons, in the Troyan War the warrior Diomedes wounded Afrodite and defeated Ares with a bronze sword.
Wow Zeus destroys Thor.
Ofc he the king of the gods and the strongest god Kratos has ever faced.
Thor would beat Zeus lol
@@lordyoda9382he isn’t the strongest god he’s faced Thor and Odin are higher in power
@@Fahim_0666 They aren’t, Zeus is clearly the strongest god, kratos has faced. Kratos need many boost, magic and also the power of hope to end Zeus. Kratos was holding back throughout the Norse saga. Zeus is the king of the gods and from his feats and what he capable of, he is definitely strongest god we’ve seen so far. Zeus is the king of the gods for a good reason and there’s a reason why he respected by many gods and mortals. The Norse gods are strong too, but not against another pantheons that are able of wielding way more powerful magic than them and have way more primordial beings.
Zeus trembles the infinite creation with his roars lol. Blade of Olympus creation.
Just the tip of the iceberg tho.
Come at me norse stans lol.
Epic video
Oh no, *I* say when we're done.
2:57 Goku: So his the strongest huh
Zeus got it .
When we were comparing the two I assumed it was over more than just the one game
Do Hercules vs Thor. I think Hercules edges Thor on raw strength, but Thor edges Herc on raw power and abilities.
The Nemean cestus should be on par with Mjolnir.
The Cestus are easily more powerful, they can break Onyx like only the Blade of Olympus could.
Weapons of the mighty Hercules.
Suggestion: Adriana Vazquez (Welcome to Alcapulco) vs Max Guevara (Dark Angel)
Zeus negs badly even in base form
No Thor would beat Zeus
@F4him_789 he wouldn't thor is completely fooder and is a holding back kratos victim zeus barely lost to a rage filled bloodlusted kratos with hades soul blades of exile blade of olympus boots of hermes and the head of helios boots of hermes inf speed nemean cestus plus kratos base strength inf strength soul of hades again equal inf strength yet zeus is seen overpowering kratos at times and zeus is undeniably faster plus zeus already beat hermes in I believe comics these feats of simply overpowering kratos at times and blitzing hermes immediately gives him infinite strength and speed thor has no feat in any department except striking strength as he supposedly shook the world tree but from what I'm aware it's a mythology feat so dosen't matter anyway zeus also survives numerous numerous stabs from the blade of olympus the same blade that killed kratos with a single stab and nearly killed him again with a single stab zeus also one tapped every titan and titans won a war with primordials primordials existed and were capable of fighting and moving before anything existed even time giving them infinite immeasurable speed primordials simply by spilling blood can create dimensions and even infinite dimensions like the underworld and they can create dimensions as they please as seen with thanatos an morpeus meaning primordials have infinite immeasurable speed and infinite power and titans won a war against them which by proxy means they also have infinite immeasurable speed and infinite power yet zeus one tapped their entire race and poseidon and hades are seen insta killing titans showing how far above the Olympians are from beings that existed before time and accidentally created their planet compared to thor who's only impressive feat is in mythology lmao sure he knocked out kratos but he was still holding back immensely and in their rematch in asgard thor Is fully bloodlusted yet kratos is still holding back and wants more to talk than fight and as seen at the beginning one no holding back hit from kratos made thor stumble and lose teeth so no calm kratos isn't stronger than bloodlusted kratos thor is even a helios victim helios power was needed to destroy the world piller something that if destroyed is stated by persephone to destroy creation meaning helios power>creation itself plus he survived slams from atlas a titan that took the pillers place after its destruction meaning atlas has infinite strength yet helios survived slams from from him gow3 helios gets bodied but chains of olympus helios slams badly
@@thatguy5583We can discuss this on disc lmao your arguments are debunkable af
@F4him_789 no they aren't lmao they are very simple feats that aren't even carried by statements its pretty common sense primordials transcend time and created everything including Infinite dimensions not debunkable titans won a war against them not debunkable poseidon and hades can one tap titans even the strongest atleast second strongest atlas not debunkable zeus created a weapon capable of one tapping every titan not debunkable zeus survived numerous stabs from the blade of olympus whilst kratos died from one and nearly died again from another one not debunkable zeus blitzed hermes not debunkable zeus negs thor is completely fooder exept in striking strength helios was needed to destroy the world piller not debunkable helios survived slams from a titan that can hold the infinite greek cosmology not debunkable helios light as an after affect immediately lit the infinite underworld again not debunkable do me a favor stfu nothing is debunkable 🤓 here and no I'm not downloading discord just to debate a random nerd in yt comments that can't use his brain for common sense lol
@@thatguy5583 W duck and W yap lmao Norse cosmology scales way higher than the Greek lol it’s logical and narratively implied I can send you all the evidence on disc easily
Let's be realistic, Thor is at the level of Ares' strength or a little weaker than him if Ares was in his giant form and because of Ares' experience and his many abilities and spells because he is the embodiment of war before Kratos and also Ares is the one who made Kratos strong and he is the one who gave him the Blades of Chaos.
Thor is not a match for Zeus or even close to his power because due to the intensity of Zeus' power Kratos needed powerful weapons and every weapon rivals or equals the power of Mjolnir itself such as the claws of Hades and others. Add the Blade of Olympus which is made from the energy of Zeus himself and is the most powerful weapon in the entire series. Add to that the power of hope of Pandora's Box and due to the intensity of Zeus' power if he died the Greek world would be destroyed. If only Zeus could recover the Blade of Olympus from Kratos, he would have killed Kratos easily because it is the weapon that most affected Zeus and weakened him unlike the rest of the other weapons.
I see it that way: Thor and Kratos are clearly meant to be equals in Ragnarok, so, if Kratos gave hell to Zeus everytime they fought, so would Thor... of course, different fighters, different set of abilities, but both still pretty much in the same level (Kratos and Thor), I still think that Zeus is stronger, even without the blade of olympus, but it's like to put the heavyweight champion against the light heavyweight champion, the heavyweight has the advantage, but still very VERY competitive...
Thor and kratos aren't equal though. Thor at the end of Ragnarok whilst not holding back was overpowered multiple times by a holding back kratos. I know the video says he isn't holding back but he very much so is. Spartan rage is just a controlled version of his rage so even then he isn't going all out.
Kratos and Thor are meant to be equals. it’s just 2 great warriors battling someone has to lose plus with all kratos plot armor he’s pretty much gonna win all of his fights as long as the plot demands it. At some point he needs to face a god that dominates him or it’s just the same old wash rise and repeat method. Thor did great against kratos even killed him while they BOTH were holding back, but at some point we need a god that is stronger than kratos not just his equal.
No. They are NOT equals because Kratos never needed to use his rage to beat the crap out of him, which was clear, especially in the anticlimactic second fight of Trashnarock.
Zeus vs Thor, Zeus wins high diff
Fear Zeus vs Thor, Zeus wins no diff
Well to be far Thor lost that end fight with Kratos because He was so blinded by his anger. Thors real weakness is his mental state which Odin took advantage of. I can Agree that Zeus would have a better chance at winning but if Thors mental state isn’t completely broken like it was at the end of Ragnarok then he’d have a better chance
He also was exhausted after his fight with jormungandr
And now I’m thinking I would really love to see him fight. Thor and the Greek real Thor would stand less of a chance there.
Thor is the strongest norse god
Maybe not the most powerful but the most strongest
Don't confuse strong with power
Zeus one shotted Gia and bloodlusted kratos . A feat that is impossible for any god
*he doesn't one shot bloodlusted kratos. He one shot gaia who kratos stood on.*
@Nothingtoseriousfkratos was badly injured by the blast
@princevegeta2715 *no he wasn't, he fell into the river Styx which wounded him, not the lightning bolt.*
Thor took 5 hits to the same area in his gut with three different weapons one of them, which is covered in his weakness, Jormangandr’s venom, hit him 3 times in the same area.
Zeus was hit by sword of olympus 7 times, the sword that literally takes all your powers away and kills you as well, the sword that oneshotted gods.
@@Sprd1011 Yea cuz he died the first time he got stabbed and the other 6 was extra shots because he was mad.
I love this sound track❤❤❤
Thor(GOW Ragnarok) would body Zeus into a bloody pulp.
Are you 4?
Well actually God of war Zeus is pretty close planetary destruction level in power scaling.
However if it's simply marvel's MCU Chris Hemsworth with The Odin force, I don't know Because MCU Thor can hold and control Lightning at will thanks to the Odin force..but if this is blood lusted God of war Zeus wins because I think the blade of Olympus does way more damage than mjnoir or storm breaker.
FYI - God of war fans need to study more about mcus storm breaker that axe is way more powerful than you think. Stated by the producers of marvel's avengers and Thor, if Thor wanted to unleash it's full power of the bifrost it can destroy earth with one powerful blow
Greek fodder beings like Ouranos and Nyx would destroy the whole norse tribal "pantheon"
@@ForSparta3195 no he's not above planetary no where is it proven God of war gods including kratos are multiversal. Greece and Scandinavia are on the same earth. Kratos never time traveled to get to the Norse realms the fallen gods comic said he was Roaming the earth for about 500 years through Egypt. The comics also proves he was dragged into Midgard by two wolves. The mythology gods are not multiversal they are city to planetary depending on feats. Kratos is not the most powerful character in gow it's actually Athena and Thoth who sit in the twilight realm as watchers of earth.
@@ForSparta3195 no that's not even proven to be valid
I think it depends on the location. As the game says the Greek powers are tied to the land, if Zeus went to Norse lands he would have no magic. The Norse though it doesn't seem to be tied to the land so Thor would still have power in Greece. On the matter of the sword being able to take godhood, I think that's just godhood that was in that land, so I'm not sure that Zeus would be able to make Thor mortal. If anything it would be a really close fight.
The most impressive magic in the nine realms os probably the curse on baulder
*Looks sideways to that one greek hero with basically the same power, but he wasn't nearly as important*
Achilles ain't even in God of War plus he was just kinda unharmed by mortal means only
Darth vader vs kratos
Why do you have beef with vader
Is that a joke? Vader is barely planetary with force
Vader is a normal human lol. You can't put normal human against gods. It's like putting welter weight fighters against heavy weight champions in mma
@@Godofnothingness6 Normal human what are u talking about lmao. Right a normal human can also use the force like he does right?
That doesnt mean much. The force doesnt do anything to someone as powerful as kratos.@watappp
You forget the part when Kratos was heavily holding back and when he stopped that was only 20% of his power
Its been stated by the creator that Kratos is more powerful in the recent games than his time in Greece. Thor literally killed him and ressurected him. Its that simple
and Devs confirm he was holding back lol
He doesn’t have more power at all, he stronger because he can control his anger. Kratos hasn’t trained at all ever since he left Greece. Also gods don’t get stronger just by working out or whatever, because they can’t boost their strength like mortals do. They would be born with whatever power level they had. For example, Zeus in the game was a child and couldn’t defeat his father since he an infant and when he grew up, he now capable of defeating his father. Gaia didn’t trained him or anything but just watch over him until he reached adulthood. Zeus was already born with a high level of power that’s meant for him to have a higher status.
@@lordyoda9382Kratos trained through Fimbulwinter for Ragnarok and is even narratively implied. Ragnarok Kratos is the most powerful version of Kratos to date
@@Fahim_0666 He did prepare himself for Fimbulwinter, but he didn’t get stronger physically. Gods don’t get stronger just by training, like mortals do.
Devs confirmed that Zeus would beat the Norse gods like Baldur and Thor then they said the better question to ask would be Zeus vs Odin but the devs didn’t answer that it’s for us to decide which means they’re closer in power than it seems. They did poorly show Odin in the games but in the lore and novels he’s much MUCH better and definitely lives up to be an equal to Zeus.
The thing is, Thor was using his full strength when fighting Kratos while Kratos is holding back trying to be a better person. If we had the OG Kratos where he was full of rage and demon time the fight between him and thor would’ve been over in the first game. The only time you see the OG Kratos is when his son is in danger and unleashes the rage he holds and bottles up.
Black Adam vs General Zod
The fight with Thor. Kratos was holding back.
Thor is strong, But Zeus is a "High Father" like Odin(in the GoW universe to be Honest Zeus is Stronger then Odin by a light years), even agaist Kratos he just die because Plot demands, there is no way to thor even have a chance.
Zeus being “a high father” doesn’t justify a win for him lol. Thor destroys Zeus
Odin also slams Zeus
@@Fahim_0666 Yeah, after he stops crying about a stupid mask, stop talking for once, and lose to a holdingback Kratos with just a fragment of the hope power, then he can try to a beat a guy with the power to destroy Hundreds of Universal leval enemys. ok
kratos was holding back against thor he only let himself loose when thor started to talk about atreus
Thanos vs Mangog
Kratos himself said that every blow from Thor was as heavy as he as ever felt.
Thor loses this for sure
No he wins
@F4him_789 before I make a counter argument please tell me why you think Thor wins and I am a Thor fan so I won't be offended by what you say btw.
@@LeonardoTyrone-sr4qz Thor wins via AP,Dura,outhaxing,Cosmology and more
@Gootyshnooty OK Thor has hax nice but He lost to a holding back Kratos and while Zeus lost to a Morals off Kratos with a Amp.
@@LeonardoTyrone-sr4qz A holding back Thor killed a holding back Kratos in the first fight + in the second fight Thor was weakened via Jormungandrs poison,mental problems and he was also drunk. Also in the second fight he had already endured a fight with Jormungandr,Ragnarok and the armies of the other realms. With being weakened he still managed the Splinter the Yggdrasil and sent Jormungandr back through time. Also Norse magic > Greek magic. And Ragnarok Kratos > end of gow3 Kratos
He couldn’t strip him of his godhood, not unless Thor first submitted himself to him and accepted him as his king
Zeus would rip apart thor. Anyday thor is not even a god ..odin confirmed....
Thor is a god, just half god and half giant.
Thor would destroy Zeus
@@Bowwiss27 it was just a surprise atttack not a standoff...and zeus didnt even die...have u seeen the whole movie
@@deenitish
Have you not seen a dictionary?
Because that would help your grammar.
@@Bowwiss27 and u shud read some comics itll help u in character comparison..
One small detail I wanted to point out. Yeah, Thor killed all the Giants, but you called the Giants warriors when they definitely weren't. It's even stated in the game a few times that they weren't a warrior race. They were arcticians, curators and a people of peace. But warriors, they were not. Which is why they went into hiding in the first place and fought to survive rather than stay, fight, and be killed off entirely.
Mythology thor nukes mythology zeus
Not really Hellas religion zeus destroys thor magni who is stronger than thor while zeus has been stated to have boundless might which is infinite strength zeus destroys thor
@@killer_ice2005 even Thor has boundless might.
He lifted the jormungadur
@@God_emperor_Doom thats a fucking big snake, look at the old mythology of zeus instead of just saying shit
Thor fighting thr world serpent is similar to what kratos went through fighting the titans, traveling through time, and hes fighting Old man Kratos. And if kraod takes after his papi Zeus, he grows stronger with age, hope we see somenof that power in thr next GoW with kratos
Zeus is at the top of his limit Thor will only get stronger and powerful the older he gets asguardians get more powerful as they get older and Thor will surpass Odin
greek gods get more powerful as they age, I dont fully know but I believe that asgardians dont
@@edomination7139 They do Thor says it to someone when he was fighting
Wouldn't a fight analysis between Zues and Odin be more fair here?
Ares alone is clearly superior to all Norse Gods as seen in his depiction and feats in the GoW 1 Game and Novel.
Clearly has more raw power than Thor and more hax than Odin + Freya combined.
Zeus towers above the mortal Aesir tribe.
The Norse Gods didnt live up to the Greek ones, not in lore, not in godhood and certainly not by feats.
With their mere voice alone Ares, Poseidon and Zeus tremble infinite realms to the core.
All the insane haxfeats that the Greeks displayed tower above the Norse ones, even tho they are innate power of the Greek Gods and not some hyped up "ancient magic" or whatever lol
Just face it, kids.
Yep, Ares even created his own dimension just to toy with kratos during their final fight.
All of this is bs let’s discuss this on Disc lol
Kid, get off your copioids.
Odin created a universal system of realms. Nine in total, including Earth (Midgard). Thor is God of Thunder across all the realms and capable of destroying every being should Odin deem it necessary to restore order.
Zeus is toast. He's only an Earthbound God. His home base is literally a mountain in Greece. Not only that, he has a final resting place on Yuchtas Mount in Crete. Irrefutable proof that he is not immune to death.
Doesn't help much that the Greeks believe everything happens on Earth and that there's no concept of a universe in their eyes.
We rewriting the script wit this one. 🔥
Thor demolishes Greek gow lol. feats and inverse all show Norse>Greek. Old kratos>>>>young kratos, baldur>all Greek enemies, black breath>Greek magic, Odin>all gods kratos has fought, Thor fracturing yggdrasil(tree that transcends time and space and possibly contains infinite timelines+holding the 9 realms), shaking the 9 realms fighting jorm, Odin killing ymir and creating 6 realms from his corpse etc. don't even start with kratos "holding back" lmfao he just doesn't let his rage control him. Already made clear in the novel he wasn't holding back shit against baldur so why would he hold back against Thor💀
If MCU Thor then yes Zeus wins but if Ruin King Thor then good by Zeus.
Thor in GOW is suffering from congestive heart failure and sleep apnea. 😂
It's true Zuez and Thor are insane powerhouses. Now the part mentioning domiating Kratos is just a sneak attack nothing more. It only counts as domination if both parties clash head on and one pushes over the other which Kratos did as Zuez was no longer able to use sneak attacks. Thor made it look like he's stronger only because as he kept going on about Kratos was holding back. His punches to Thor's face at the start of the fight were not the same as the last punch that knocked a tooth out of Thor's mouth.
If we were realm swapping I’d agree, if Thor went to Greece Zeus would end him with a thought, but if Zeus went to Midgard it would be a different story altogether because Zeus has no control over Midgards magics. I’d have to say that if they met in neutral ground it would depend on each of their masteries. I’d wager to bet that Zeus’s strategy would fall to killing Thor before he could close the distance because in a match of sheer brute strength Thor would destroy Zeus.
If we're going by the original myths, Greek immortals can't die. They can only be injured and mutilated like Hephaestus and Prometheus. Clue is in the word 'immortal' XD but Norse gods do die in their myths, probably indicating that they're not really immortal but more likely ageless
I think Kratos was confused about the time travel cause Freya said their was no such magic like the Greek realm
Cool video, but probably pisses lots of people off. Cory Barlog has said old Kratos gets stronger, but he also said he made the game (2018) after he became a father himself, and some of his experiences are mirrored with Kratos. For this to be a real and honest discussion, it really should include the opinion of the guy that created the entire mythos of God of War, David Jaffe. In early versions of the original idea pitch, he had ideas already in place about other pantheons being involved. He has spoken about the fact he didn't like many of the changes that were made to Kratos, and has stated after the events of Ares, and the manipulation of Kratos by the Greek Gods, Kratos is just a monster, a damaged and broken monster. Jaffe didn't have anything to do with the new games, just like Barlog only contributed to GOW III after the first several months. Many of the older fans continue to say Kratos is holding back, because it really does look that way compared to older games. I like both, honestly and I'm glad new people have been brought into the series. However, I'll always defer to the creator of the IP for these types of discussions. It is analogous to someone taking the entire new approach of Star Wars characters as a new director would suggest, and toss out what George Lucas considers as the correct story and interpretation. His version always wins, because he created it entirely. Same thing in this scenario with Jaffe.
He was only that bad ass in the GoW universe because of Mjolnir. That’s it.