Shaka still solos your favorite anime..your top whole top 10..besides this one lol..these kids today think they kno about power scaling..he is in my top 5 of all time..
Wouldn’t the bronze saints scale to multiversal too? Since they are heavily implied to be above the gold saints....like in episode G assassin when they face off Zeus with no cloths
Great video. Please can you talk about Gemini saint & powers next ? And move to Evil Saga power scale next? I'd kno both of then seem to be the same but I'd hear that got different powers and technique abilities.
Great video man, thanks for all the hard work. I agree with mostly everything. Some ideas for your next power scale could be Shura, Saga, or Kanon. Maybe even a Spectre like Radamanthys or the twin gods Thanatos and Hypnos.
@@handiplano5723his cosmos was so strong bro was still alive even when he died which is insanely difficult to do, even virgo asmita does this in the lost canvas😭 but yeah saga probably is the strongest shaka got crazy ass hax though
Welcome to 6 Realms of Buddha Hell, enjoy the rest of your existence. God... I wouldn't be surprise if Shaka was one of the most characters if not THE most powerful and even then there's still stronger guys but still.
@@godclothshango1194 Yeah Shaka wanted to die there he knew what was up my boy shaka knew Lol. Then he comes back again just fine like nothing happened having awakened the 8th sense Shaka is a beast! Shaka and Leo saint best! Man you should cover the Leo saint sometime 100 billion punches at light speed! lmao
Just a few additions and/or corrections: I don't think his performance against Saga, Shura and Camus can be taken as a solid feat when all of them were essentially putting on an act to fool Hades and have Shaka master the 8th Sense, with Camus not even using Aurora Execution and Saga not using a full power Galaxian Explosion. That said, Another Dimension wouldn't be as difficult to escape from as if Saga was serious as it's shown he can control where the victim is sent to (ie. conveniently sending Hyoga to Camus in the Libra Temple). The statement of Aiolia being one of the two strongest Gold Saints shouldn't really be treat as the best evidence when it's said by Cassios, whereas more reliable characters have said things of the contrary such as Shura saying he's the strongest Gold Saint or Mu having no doubts about stopping Aiolia if a fight was necessary in the Poseidon Arc. It's also worth noting the line in the anime only says Aiolia is one of the strongest Gold Saints, which is far more vague. It should also be added that mastery of the 8th sense makes a user significantly superior to their 7th sense self. This is apparent when Seiya had already gained enough control of the 7th sense to overpower Deathmask without difficulty despite later struggling with Specters like Lune and Valentine, whereas Kanon easily killed Lune and bested Rhadamanthys (keep in mind a Judge like Minos could casually punch through a Freezing Coffin that Hyoga stated several Gold Saints wouldn't be able to scratch) despite the previous arcs suggesting the Gold Saints aren't so different in power that Saga/Kanon could treat Deathmask like a child without their techniques. This is also reinforced by secondary material such as The Lost Canvas and Episode G: Assassin. For his Next Dimension appearance, it should definitely be from his spiritual self rather than any illusion as made apparent by his words of Nirvana as well as other dead Gold Saints being shown to have similar travels through space-time such as Aiolos recreating his message in the 18th Century version of the Sagittarius Temple. It's also worth clarifying that the speed scaling from the Winged Bronze Saints should only apply to 8th Sense Shaka. The Shura feat would also apply as a miracle rather than standard scaling as it's made very apparent Shura needed to go beyond his limits to create a miracle and move that fast.
You wrote so much so wanted to say something. It can definitely be taken as a solid feat just to a lesser degree than a bloodlust fight which arguably non of them wher but What I noted more was the performance of Tenbu Horn and how they viewed it as a life threatening technique in Japanese. While heavy debated a least among those I talk to I feel 8th sense does not provide a boost in power but simply related to the abilities of the soul such as with Aiolos whose very soul traveled not just the message itself. You are right about Shura but it can scale to god cloth users and those comparable.
@@godclothshango1194 Yeah, perhaps I worded the first part a bit too definitively. I agree with you that it's indeed worth noting, though with the addition that the context means none of them were going at the best of their abilities. One part from it that would have been worth noting as a great feat though is how he took three simultaneous attacks from them that were likely pretty serious and only escaped with a scratch thanks to Kahn, showing how it's probably the best defensive technique amongst the Gold Saints other than Crystal Wall and Freezing Coffin (when the latter's used defensively). I'd say it's pretty hard to argue against the 8th Sense offering a boost in power (at least when fully mastered) given how it's used in supplementary material and Shaka oneshotting a Seiya that was trying to draw his Cosmo to its limits supports that, if anything. The Bronze Saints had raised their Cosmo to levels said to surpass the Gold Saints at various points throughout the previous arcs such as Shiryu being stated to be beyond the Gold Saints against Deathmask or Seiya's Suiseiken overpowering the Galaxian Explosion and the original manga never contradicted that notion directly. With how easy Seiya was able to access Gold Saint tier strength prior and how great his base self was at the time combined with feats he'd pulled off recently before (damaging Rhadamanthys who in turn had fatally wounded Orphe, someone confirmed by the manga and Taizen to be stronger than the Gold Saints and on Judge level respectively, oneshotting Valentine, etc.) it seems very doubtful Shaka would be able to accomplish such a feat with his regular power if Seiya was anywhere close to those displays going off purely his manga feats of power. Yeah, I have no issue with it scaling to those bringing the 7th sense to their limits or to any God character.
@@choueriito2548 Only supplementary that goes deeply into the 8th sense is lost canvas which does so unlike anything else in the rest of the franchise. The bronze saints in moments can indeed raise there cosmo beyond gold saints but don't forget Shaka was also trying to raise his cosmo to destroy the wall. seiya overpowered GA with the power of the other saints as well. As for the bronze saints base they state themselves that Rhadamanthys was more powerful than they were combined, and they were overpowered and knocked out by Acheron Charon and needing to be saved by Kanon who one shot him, this leads me to say base bronze are strong in base but below the strongest of gold saints consistently. You know the series fairly well do you use discord or twitter?
@@godclothshango1194 Episode G: Assassin also points towards Mastered 8th Sense > Mastered 7th Sense in power with Shura getting stomped by Lancelot initially before overpowering him with the 8th sense unlocked. Whilst it's true Shaka could've indeed been above his regular limits (certainly eases his hax in Next Dimension a bit too), it still remains that Seiya had raised his Cosmo to levels at least close to the Judges quite recently, of which should surpass what the Gold Saints displayed in the Sanctuary Arc and early Hades Arc (other than perhaps Dohko and Shion) via scaling from Orphe (supported by Taizen) who shouldn't be leagues lower than Minos going by him being intimidated at Aiacos' defeat. If anything, Shaka so easily elevating his Cosmo would point towards mastery of the 8th Sense making it easier to boost one's Cosmo. This is seemingly supported by Ikki's fight with Aiacos as he could previously only prove a mild distraction to Saga and Kanon when using the 8th Sense normally and just surpassed Shaka with his extreme first awakening of it, yet he constantly adapted to the level of someone arguably stronger than them and eventually stomped him after acquiring the 8th Sense. There's also Rhadamanthys estimating he could still beat Aiolia, Mu and Milo without Hades' Barrier yet being at best on par with Kanon, despite Milo also estimating it'd be possible for him to be comparable to a clothless Kanon. There's also the fact Mu struggled with a Terrestrial Star Spectre like Myu and Celestials below Judge level could still do very well against Gold Saint tier attacks such as Gordon overpowering Shiryu's Excalibur. Despite the power boost of 8th Sense mastery being vague, I'm honestly not seeing much directly going against it. That's a fair point with Charon, whose boast of his oar moving at around Mach 35 is pretty lackluster, though it is worth noting this was when Seiya had just woken up and had yet to fully master the 8th Sense as Shaka had. It wasn't long before that he'd overpowered Deathmask without a significant elevating of his Cosmo and endured a surprise attack from Valentine fairly well, so his more consistent power at the time would probably be closer to Deathmask level (not that that'd change anything against Rhadamanthys). Minor correction, but Kanon beat Lune with no difficulty and not Charon, though that reinforces my point on the 8th Sense considering my previous points on Seiya as well as logically weaker Specters such as Myu, despite the original manga treating the Gold Saints as very much a collective tier with the difference between the Gold Saints not treat as gargantuan outside of the strongest moves such as Galaxian Explosion and Tenma Kofuku. I don't use either. For discussion on the series, I honestly find TH-cam comments to be easier in structuring full responses as well as notification-wise.
@@choueriito2548 I don't remember any context to the 8th sense in that Shura fight. I guess that works under the assumptions that the Judges are much stronger than all golds and 8th sense is something that can be mastered rather than just being as they had no trouble against Hades will after unlocking it. Every saint at least experienced was can greatly raise there cosmo when focused, multiple golds did against the wall before there weapons knocked back at them, the bronze saints did in Poseidon arc and Dragon raised his Cosmo to peak redirecting EA before unlocking the 8th sense. Check again Kanon defeated Charon also after he knocked out 2 saints. Kanon and Saga are equal going by Ikkis words later on in the fight and Ikki defeated Aiacos by getting stronger after death.
Imo Shijima is stronger than Shaka. Prior to their battle Shijima had already been significantly weakened due to the poison and white rose of the Pisces saint. This would mean that he wasn't at 100%. Now with Shaka basically being a soul/astral projection in the fight, he definitely had the advantage. More stamina/energy as he's not in a physical body and therefore won't suffer from fatigue as one with a body would. Another thing is that I've always assumed that the AE didn't kill Virgo. The whole rose petal message he sent to Athena and the fact that his gold cloth sustained no damage and came with him to the underworld had in my opinion alluded to the fact that Shaka was alive. After getting the message from Shaka, Athena killed herself and when she was next seen, Shaka had was there with her. Presumably waiting for her. It was all a part of the plan for them to confront Hades directly. Until Athena came up with another plan to destroy Hades' true body.
Shijima temple guardian power has no affect on the state shijima himself was in, it was put in place long before he was hurt as well so there is no advantage in fact both said they couold fight and die forever. It even calls itself an after image. As for AE if you look on some sites they have the words of Kuru himself, and the chapter after he died kuru complains that they changed a completely white page, the reason why it was white is because it represents the fact shaka was atomized. As for the petals, I can only guess that's what his spirit wrote. As for his cloth I can only assume he brought it back, being a living thing perhaps cloths can connect with the 8th sense of the user.
@@godclothshango1194 I hadn't known about that part. I thought Shijima created an astral projection at the moment he felt/sensed someone enter his temple. What do you mean by words of Kuru? Was there an interview of Kurumada stating that? I'd love to see that. The cloths are semi-sentient and deeply connected to the users and just about any saint they deem worthy to protect EX: Sagittarius Cloth going out of its way to protect Seiya. Once with the fight with Ikki, another time with the fight with Aioria. Regardless of whether or not Shaka actually died, the cloth more than likely could have followed Shaka to the underworld upon sensing that Shaka had actually still been alive or used the 8th sense to resurrect. Also, I'm curious as to where you'd place Lyra Orphée as its been stated that he was stronger than the 12 gold saints. It was hard for to me believe that. I still don't really believe that statement from the feats that were shown.
@@ge9884 No in fact shijima senses people fighting a bit after the gourdain attacks, it even fought while shihima was passed out. And here 2.bp.blogspot.com/-CXKa4e-ISFM/V7axvyOiXLI/AAAAAAAAEu8/E8ocFB8d-qMg79az41fi3-GLmDg3D_lSACHM/s16000/0022-002.png Lra does lack feats, best to just say he is only stronger than some or most gold saints.
@@godclothshango1194 That is awesome. How did you find this? Alternatively, it could have been that during the time he serve Athena he was the strongest but sometime after he left the gold saints got stronger than him. This is the only explanation I could think of. Isn't G and Assassins canon or is this wrong? www.saintseiyapedia.com/wiki/Interviews/Champion_RED_200301/Masami_Kurumada
@@ge9884 Just the first page of every chapter on kiss manga, i plan to go over his words soon. Also perhaps the 8th sense may have lead to his legend for Lyre. Canon? hard question, Kuru himself see's them as side stories.
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Shaka still solos your favorite anime..your top whole top 10..besides this one lol..these kids today think they kno about power scaling..he is in my top 5 of all time..
I"d place him multiversal + since to get multiversal + you need to have infinite universes ap
Shaka is absolutely great Gold Saint.
And pple say he ain’t the most op gold saint. I’m glad I’m a Virgo😁.
So I found a brother ♍♍♍♍♍♍
♈️ here
Capricorn but fucking love Shaka ♑️
I got bad news Zodiac sign has changed, you're not a Virgo anymore.
Wouldn’t the bronze saints scale to multiversal too? Since they are heavily implied to be above the gold saints....like in episode G assassin when they face off Zeus with no cloths
Man the Hades series need to come out on Netflix sooner. And yeah Shaka is one of my favorite character's on Saint seiya .
Great video. Please can you talk about Gemini saint & powers next ? And move to Evil Saga power scale next? I'd kno both of then seem to be the same but I'd hear that got different powers and technique abilities.
Great video man, thanks for all the hard work. I agree with mostly everything. Some ideas for your next power scale could be Shura, Saga, or Kanon. Maybe even a Spectre like Radamanthys or the twin gods Thanatos and Hypnos.
Thanks Bro!! And I did saga already :)
@@godclothshango1194 Yeah my bad, had already seen it.
1 Saga
2 Shaka
3 Ailoios
Surely no one can argue that
Shion and doko also aioros is stronger than shaka
Shaka has most powerful cosmo,saga has most powerful destruction attack,aiolos has most agility attack
@@handiplano5723his cosmos was so strong bro was still alive even when he died which is insanely difficult to do, even virgo asmita does this in the lost canvas😭 but yeah saga probably is the strongest shaka got crazy ass hax though
I have a feeling that at the end their all gonna stop at 1-A outerverse level
Possible
Yeah Saint seiya season 5 & 6 now is on Netflix 👍😀
If you archive the 9th sense your are basically a god
Both Tosen and Senjumaru’s Bankai are inspired off Shaka’s six incarnations
Love it
Welcome to 6 Realms of Buddha Hell, enjoy the rest of your existence. God... I wouldn't be surprise if Shaka was one of the most characters if not THE most powerful and even then there's still stronger guys but still.
We know the truth🐐🥴
But wasn't the usage of Athena exclamation on Shaka part of the big master plan to take out Hades?
Pretty much, It's likely he even lowered his cosmo to be killed by it.
@@godclothshango1194 Yeah Shaka wanted to die there he knew what was up my boy shaka knew Lol. Then he comes back again just fine like nothing happened having awakened the 8th sense Shaka is a beast! Shaka and Leo saint best! Man you should cover the Leo saint sometime 100 billion punches at light speed! lmao
Hmm? How did Virgo Shaka survive Ikki's Chaotzu attack?
Where would prime Virgo asmita rank in the gold saints ?
how come shaka is not the strongest gold saint.
Just a few additions and/or corrections:
I don't think his performance against Saga, Shura and Camus can be taken as a solid feat when all of them were essentially putting on an act to fool Hades and have Shaka master the 8th Sense, with Camus not even using Aurora Execution and Saga not using a full power Galaxian Explosion. That said, Another Dimension wouldn't be as difficult to escape from as if Saga was serious as it's shown he can control where the victim is sent to (ie. conveniently sending Hyoga to Camus in the Libra Temple).
The statement of Aiolia being one of the two strongest Gold Saints shouldn't really be treat as the best evidence when it's said by Cassios, whereas more reliable characters have said things of the contrary such as Shura saying he's the strongest Gold Saint or Mu having no doubts about stopping Aiolia if a fight was necessary in the Poseidon Arc. It's also worth noting the line in the anime only says Aiolia is one of the strongest Gold Saints, which is far more vague.
It should also be added that mastery of the 8th sense makes a user significantly superior to their 7th sense self. This is apparent when Seiya had already gained enough control of the 7th sense to overpower Deathmask without difficulty despite later struggling with Specters like Lune and Valentine, whereas Kanon easily killed Lune and bested Rhadamanthys (keep in mind a Judge like Minos could casually punch through a Freezing Coffin that Hyoga stated several Gold Saints wouldn't be able to scratch) despite the previous arcs suggesting the Gold Saints aren't so different in power that Saga/Kanon could treat Deathmask like a child without their techniques. This is also reinforced by secondary material such as The Lost Canvas and Episode G: Assassin.
For his Next Dimension appearance, it should definitely be from his spiritual self rather than any illusion as made apparent by his words of Nirvana as well as other dead Gold Saints being shown to have similar travels through space-time such as Aiolos recreating his message in the 18th Century version of the Sagittarius Temple.
It's also worth clarifying that the speed scaling from the Winged Bronze Saints should only apply to 8th Sense Shaka. The Shura feat would also apply as a miracle rather than standard scaling as it's made very apparent Shura needed to go beyond his limits to create a miracle and move that fast.
You wrote so much so wanted to say something.
It can definitely be taken as a solid feat just to a lesser degree than a bloodlust fight which arguably non of them wher but What I noted more was the performance of Tenbu Horn and how they viewed it as a life threatening technique in Japanese.
While heavy debated a least among those I talk to I feel 8th sense does not provide a boost in power but simply related to the abilities of the soul such as with Aiolos whose very soul traveled not just the message itself.
You are right about Shura but it can scale to god cloth users and those comparable.
@@godclothshango1194 Yeah, perhaps I worded the first part a bit too definitively. I agree with you that it's indeed worth noting, though with the addition that the context means none of them were going at the best of their abilities. One part from it that would have been worth noting as a great feat though is how he took three simultaneous attacks from them that were likely pretty serious and only escaped with a scratch thanks to Kahn, showing how it's probably the best defensive technique amongst the Gold Saints other than Crystal Wall and Freezing Coffin (when the latter's used defensively).
I'd say it's pretty hard to argue against the 8th Sense offering a boost in power (at least when fully mastered) given how it's used in supplementary material and Shaka oneshotting a Seiya that was trying to draw his Cosmo to its limits supports that, if anything. The Bronze Saints had raised their Cosmo to levels said to surpass the Gold Saints at various points throughout the previous arcs such as Shiryu being stated to be beyond the Gold Saints against Deathmask or Seiya's Suiseiken overpowering the Galaxian Explosion and the original manga never contradicted that notion directly. With how easy Seiya was able to access Gold Saint tier strength prior and how great his base self was at the time combined with feats he'd pulled off recently before (damaging Rhadamanthys who in turn had fatally wounded Orphe, someone confirmed by the manga and Taizen to be stronger than the Gold Saints and on Judge level respectively, oneshotting Valentine, etc.) it seems very doubtful Shaka would be able to accomplish such a feat with his regular power if Seiya was anywhere close to those displays going off purely his manga feats of power.
Yeah, I have no issue with it scaling to those bringing the 7th sense to their limits or to any God character.
@@choueriito2548 Only supplementary that goes deeply into the 8th sense is lost canvas which does so unlike anything else in the rest of the franchise.
The bronze saints in moments can indeed raise there cosmo beyond gold saints but don't forget Shaka was also trying to raise his cosmo to destroy the wall. seiya overpowered GA with the power of the other saints as well.
As for the bronze saints base they state themselves that Rhadamanthys was more powerful than they were combined, and they were overpowered and knocked out by Acheron Charon and needing to be saved by Kanon who one shot him, this leads me to say base bronze are strong in base but below the strongest of gold saints consistently.
You know the series fairly well do you use discord or twitter?
@@godclothshango1194 Episode G: Assassin also points towards Mastered 8th Sense > Mastered 7th Sense in power with Shura getting stomped by Lancelot initially before overpowering him with the 8th sense unlocked.
Whilst it's true Shaka could've indeed been above his regular limits (certainly eases his hax in Next Dimension a bit too), it still remains that Seiya had raised his Cosmo to levels at least close to the Judges quite recently, of which should surpass what the Gold Saints displayed in the Sanctuary Arc and early Hades Arc (other than perhaps Dohko and Shion) via scaling from Orphe (supported by Taizen) who shouldn't be leagues lower than Minos going by him being intimidated at Aiacos' defeat. If anything, Shaka so easily elevating his Cosmo would point towards mastery of the 8th Sense making it easier to boost one's Cosmo. This is seemingly supported by Ikki's fight with Aiacos as he could previously only prove a mild distraction to Saga and Kanon when using the 8th Sense normally and just surpassed Shaka with his extreme first awakening of it, yet he constantly adapted to the level of someone arguably stronger than them and eventually stomped him after acquiring the 8th Sense. There's also Rhadamanthys estimating he could still beat Aiolia, Mu and Milo without Hades' Barrier yet being at best on par with Kanon, despite Milo also estimating it'd be possible for him to be comparable to a clothless Kanon. There's also the fact Mu struggled with a Terrestrial Star Spectre like Myu and Celestials below Judge level could still do very well against Gold Saint tier attacks such as Gordon overpowering Shiryu's Excalibur. Despite the power boost of 8th Sense mastery being vague, I'm honestly not seeing much directly going against it.
That's a fair point with Charon, whose boast of his oar moving at around Mach 35 is pretty lackluster, though it is worth noting this was when Seiya had just woken up and had yet to fully master the 8th Sense as Shaka had. It wasn't long before that he'd overpowered Deathmask without a significant elevating of his Cosmo and endured a surprise attack from Valentine fairly well, so his more consistent power at the time would probably be closer to Deathmask level (not that that'd change anything against Rhadamanthys). Minor correction, but Kanon beat Lune with no difficulty and not Charon, though that reinforces my point on the 8th Sense considering my previous points on Seiya as well as logically weaker Specters such as Myu, despite the original manga treating the Gold Saints as very much a collective tier with the difference between the Gold Saints not treat as gargantuan outside of the strongest moves such as Galaxian Explosion and Tenma Kofuku.
I don't use either. For discussion on the series, I honestly find TH-cam comments to be easier in structuring full responses as well as notification-wise.
@@choueriito2548 I don't remember any context to the 8th sense in that Shura fight.
I guess that works under the assumptions that the Judges are much stronger than all golds and 8th sense is something that can be mastered rather than just being as they had no trouble against Hades will after unlocking it.
Every saint at least experienced was can greatly raise there cosmo when focused, multiple golds did against the wall before there weapons knocked back at them, the bronze saints did in Poseidon arc and Dragon raised his Cosmo to peak redirecting EA before unlocking the 8th sense.
Check again Kanon defeated Charon also after he knocked out 2 saints. Kanon and Saga are equal going by Ikkis words later on in the fight and Ikki defeated Aiacos by getting stronger after death.
Saga and Cain are definitely stronger then Shaka. Saga “the strongest gold saint to serve Athena”
Imo Shijima is stronger than Shaka. Prior to their battle Shijima had already been significantly weakened due to the poison and white rose of the Pisces saint. This would mean that he wasn't at 100%. Now with Shaka basically being a soul/astral projection in the fight, he definitely had the advantage. More stamina/energy as he's not in a physical body and therefore won't suffer from fatigue as one with a body would.
Another thing is that I've always assumed that the AE didn't kill Virgo. The whole rose petal message he sent to Athena and the fact that his gold cloth sustained no damage and came with him to the underworld had in my opinion alluded to the fact that Shaka was alive. After getting the message from Shaka, Athena killed herself and when she was next seen, Shaka had was there with her. Presumably waiting for her. It was all a part of the plan for them to confront Hades directly. Until Athena came up with another plan to destroy Hades' true body.
Shijima temple guardian power has no affect on the state shijima himself was in, it was put in place long before he was hurt as well so there is no advantage in fact both said they couold fight and die forever. It even calls itself an after image.
As for AE if you look on some sites they have the words of Kuru himself, and the chapter after he died kuru complains that they changed a completely white page, the reason why it was white is because it represents the fact shaka was atomized. As for the petals, I can only guess that's what his spirit wrote. As for his cloth I can only assume he brought it back, being a living thing perhaps cloths can connect with the 8th sense of the user.
@@godclothshango1194
I hadn't known about that part. I thought Shijima created an astral projection at the moment he felt/sensed someone enter his temple.
What do you mean by words of Kuru? Was there an interview of Kurumada stating that? I'd love to see that. The cloths are semi-sentient and deeply connected to the users and just about any saint they deem worthy to protect EX: Sagittarius Cloth going out of its way to protect Seiya. Once with the fight with Ikki, another time with the fight with Aioria. Regardless of whether or not Shaka actually died, the cloth more than likely could have followed Shaka to the underworld upon sensing that Shaka had actually still been alive or used the 8th sense to resurrect.
Also, I'm curious as to where you'd place Lyra Orphée as its been stated that he was stronger than the 12 gold saints. It was hard for to me believe that. I still don't really believe that statement from the feats that were shown.
@@ge9884 No in fact shijima senses people fighting a bit after the gourdain attacks, it even fought while shihima was passed out. And here 2.bp.blogspot.com/-CXKa4e-ISFM/V7axvyOiXLI/AAAAAAAAEu8/E8ocFB8d-qMg79az41fi3-GLmDg3D_lSACHM/s16000/0022-002.png
Lra does lack feats, best to just say he is only stronger than some or most gold saints.
@@godclothshango1194 That is awesome. How did you find this?
Alternatively, it could have been that during the time he serve Athena he was the strongest but sometime after he left the gold saints got stronger than him. This is the only explanation I could think of.
Isn't G and Assassins canon or is this wrong?
www.saintseiyapedia.com/wiki/Interviews/Champion_RED_200301/Masami_Kurumada
@@ge9884 Just the first page of every chapter on kiss manga, i plan to go over his words soon. Also perhaps the 8th sense may have lead to his legend for Lyre.
Canon? hard question, Kuru himself see's them as side stories.