I thought all darts coaching was nonsensical until I watched this guy. I improved more after watching 30 minutes of this guys videos than 1 month of continual practice. Watch this guy he is brilliant.
Short and sweet and straight to the point, lol. Great information! I throw a closed grip (I have finally learned to stop fighting it), and I'm not always conscious on my handprint. I'm definitely working on my consistency and being more conscious of this factor will help me. Thank you!
Really interesting video mate. I have a closed grip but generally finish with a similar hand print to you, back of the hand facing toward the board, fingers down. Watching this, it makes sense as to why I drift high in the five and low in the one as my hand rotates and depending on timing is early or late is that variation. Rather than just being high or low in the 20.
Left handed thrower. I’ve been trying to figure out why I hit so many treble 5’s. Thank you for this video. I certainly will be integrating the idea of open vs closed hand.
What a video thank you . I now understand why my last dart goes in the one a lot. I try extra hard to follow through on the last dart to stop it. But I'm actually making it worse.
When i notice my throws drifting off towards the 1's, it's usually because i tilt my head towards the right when setting up for a throw. It's a totally natural position for me, so it's really hard to force myself to do something that feels unnatural. It's only a slight adjustment of the neck/head towards the left, but then they glide straight towards the 20's. Finding a stance and throw that you can repeat is awesome, except when you end up repeating something that you should be fixing instead :D
I have a closed grip and I use kind of a pistol sign motion in the follow through. So basically instead of hand Flexion I'm using ulnar Flexion (pinky finger moving down towards the ulnar bone and thumb pointing up).
I am confused then Dan, so what should your handprint look like on a closed grip? Guessing it is drop the closed grip through on follow through and not open it up? I would like to know :)
It should have a slight angle on it. Look at Taylor's handprint notice the palm is still slightly at an angle. A good trick is to practice without a dart in slow-mo. Look at the shape of the hand after the drawback and go though slowly keeping the same shape. :)
Great topic, never thought about these two grip types. Seems like the open grip looks a little smoother. Any you would recommend or prefer? Keep up the work, thanks to you I understand the details more and more 👍👌
Loved this one, great point...was wondering why i was getting so so many 1s...THANK YOU for a closed grip what would be a good follow trough? next video :)
That's my biggest problem, Dan, it goes to one and then it goes to 5, I know 5 is when I feel my wrist/palm is opening opening. Total frustration, but my worst habit is , I hit my chin if I'm throwing from the front, and I hit my Ear, Cheeck or glasses when I throw from the side, my hand always de-faults from out to in in the follow through, Just like my Golf.
@@Straightdarts Thanks, mate, i'm gonna work on that, only been doing darts for 4-5 months, to help get my son out of his room, We both love darts now, were competitive, he is now piping me due to my 3 bad habits, had 180x 13, Triple everything including Red Bulls.. but still have those 3 things to work on, Wrist turning open, hit my head on the way through and that dreaded elbow drop/late release. this last one keeps me stuck between lobbing and thrusting . It's like golf, so technical, so frustrating yet so rewarding.
Could that explain my pull/flick on the wrist ? Because my grip is closed ? Maybe i should try changing my Grip. I can’t wait for our next session I need it lol struggling atm but we keep pushing
That explains it. My handprint is always at an angle way away from the 20, and if I try and force the finish position my darts go anywhere. I am a closed grip player!! Is there anything inherently wrong with that Daniel. Also, I have found that the pullback of my throw has been getting too long and I am throwing straighter if I deliberately shorten if and then make a more purposeful acceleration on the forward throw.
I experience this quite a bit and you just confirmed what I noticed while throwing (the rotation). What would be the solution to correct that? A different hand print or a more opened grip? I tried to use a more opened grip and it pulls on my muscles and it feels unnatural.
Try to keep it open as it's easier to flick straight, but not at the cost of a comfortable grip. If the grip change is difficult, just learn to keep the shame angle and shape on the thrown. :)
This probably explains why of late I hit so many 22, 26, 30. Now the question how do I fix the issue. I am constantly wondering across the board. Extremely frustrated ATM.
any tips for someone that is going through a huge slump? my average dropped like 15-20 points. I've had these slumps before for like 1-3 days, possibly almost a week. But it's been going on for like 1.5 month now. It's not only the score, i can just feel my throw is off, doing something different then i was before. But i'm unable to pinpoint it. My friends tell me to put the darts away for a week, but i'm having difficulties with that, since i want to train and find the error. But it's only making me lose fun in the game right now
I'd have to see the throw, it sounds like you've lost your timing, though. Try decelerating the draw-back in to a pause and just flick the wrist and let it go, stop using your arm for a while. If you drop low, flick more, but don't push the arm.
@@Straightdarts wow, you have no idea how much this helped me. Been doing that in between for like 10 minutes and my throw is feeling better each time i try it. I just threw a scolia heatmap again that doesn't make you vomit anymore. Still lacking a bit of confidence after playing like shit for 1.5 months, but i can feel my throw becoming more effortless again. While it felt like working for over a month. Thanks
@straighttothepointdarts. Do you suggest or prefer an open or closed grip? I’m new and want to develop a robotic throw through 10,000 hours of practice but I want to make sure I’m repeating the optimal toss so I don’t develop bad habits
Open is generally easier to flick straight with. :) but it's more important to be comfortable with the girp. If you can't get comfortable with it open, just learn to keep the angle right. :)
Find the pause at the end of the drawback and think about let the wirst being the first thing to move. Just lift the wrist. Keep the throw soft and the wrist fast. :)
I have a question. Do any pro darts players change their throw for doubles? I tend to throw a certain way for 20s but for doubles i switch to a less fluid, torpedo like throw. Should i stick with how i throw the 20s which incidentally is what i spend 95% of my time on. Cheers.
Stop rotating the elbow and focus on keeping the same shape of the hand all the way through. Watch players with a closed grip like Phil Taylor, notice the palm of his hand I'd at a slight angle, facing towards his left :) It's also helpful to practice in slow-mo without a dart in your hand, see what shape the hand makes when you don't rotate.
If it's going high, your not using the wrist early and quick enough. This could be made worst if your pushing from the arm as your foram will travel to fast for your wrist to work efficiently. Keep the elbow still, draw from the wrist and just flick, keep the arm relaxed and don't push with it. Then if I goes low, just flick it more.
I tend to think way too much ....is my stance right..am I holding the darts right.ect.ect.all within a millisecond and I'm just getting worse.been playing for fun for 5 years and was better 4 years ago lol
You need a match day routine and three different mindsets. Warm up check everything one at at time and get comfortable. Don't want about what you hit. Practice, pic three things at most think about and try to hit somthing. Play some games. When they start going your ready to play, Game on time. Just keep the same though process and Practice with the reassurance the throw works. Don't try hard. Just aim and the threble but accept the night numbers. Keep them straight.
I thought all darts coaching was nonsensical until I watched this guy. I improved more after watching 30 minutes of this guys videos than 1 month of continual practice. Watch this guy he is brilliant.
Thank you, mate :)
Best darts instructor on TH-cam, imo.
Thanks mate!
Dan it’s Will mate and I swear to god I’ve tried for years with a closed grip and couldn’t work out what I was doing wrong! This is class
Best coach in the game. Will be looking for new sessions in september
Can't wait!
Me too... he's a good coach
@@1982kinger thanks guys! :)
Excellent professional advice thank you, I had an issue with this now I know and understand. Thank you
You're very welcome :)
Thanks Daniel! Appreciate you brother. Love and respect from Niagara Falls Canada 🇨🇦
Short and sweet and straight to the point, lol. Great information! I throw a closed grip (I have finally learned to stop fighting it), and I'm not always conscious on my handprint. I'm definitely working on my consistency and being more conscious of this factor will help me. Thank you!
Really interesting video mate. I have a closed grip but generally finish with a similar hand print to you, back of the hand facing toward the board, fingers down. Watching this, it makes sense as to why I drift high in the five and low in the one as my hand rotates and depending on timing is early or late is that variation. Rather than just being high or low in the 20.
I'm a lefty and this would explain why I always have a random drift into the 5
Yes. :) it's the most likely cause.
Left handed thrower. I’ve been trying to figure out why I hit so many treble 5’s. Thank you for this video. I certainly will be integrating the idea of open vs closed hand.
This is awesome. Thank you!
The open close grip a very interesting subject and after seeing your videos and looking at my grip ,I've found I've an open grip.
Corey Cadby i always thought had a unique arm motion, rotation etc.
What a video thank you . I now understand why my last dart goes in the one a lot. I try extra hard to follow through on the last dart to stop it. But I'm actually making it worse.
Superb video and this all makes so much sense 👍🏻🎯
Great info! Avoiding those rotations, certainly is something i've really taken away from our sessions together as well.
Cheers Dan. Struggling myself With the odd loose dart going into the 1s.. Will keep this in mind!
When i notice my throws drifting off towards the 1's, it's usually because i tilt my head towards the right when setting up for a throw. It's a totally natural position for me, so it's really hard to force myself to do something that feels unnatural. It's only a slight adjustment of the neck/head towards the left, but then they glide straight towards the 20's. Finding a stance and throw that you can repeat is awesome, except when you end up repeating something that you should be fixing instead :D
very good point
I have a closed grip and I use kind of a pistol sign motion in the follow through. So basically instead of hand Flexion I'm using ulnar Flexion (pinky finger moving down towards the ulnar bone and thumb pointing up).
The player I just sponsored Simon Adams does something similar. :)
Cool video hipe to see more short quick.vide like this
Thanks for sharing your wisdom. Just starting out cheers bud.
Brilliant information again Dan !
So if you have a closed grip would your hand follow through more side on rather than palm down
Correct, a bit like Phil Taylor. Slight angle.
Aha that's what I've been doing wrong😅. Can't wait to get started on my progress with you! Sincerely Erwin
I am confused then Dan, so what should your handprint look like on a closed grip? Guessing it is drop the closed grip through on follow through and not open it up? I would like to know :)
It should have a slight angle on it. Look at Taylor's handprint notice the palm is still slightly at an angle.
A good trick is to practice without a dart in slow-mo. Look at the shape of the hand after the drawback and go though slowly keeping the same shape. :)
@@Straightdarts brilliant thanks mate
Great topic, never thought about these two grip types. Seems like the open grip looks a little smoother. Any you would recommend or prefer? Keep up the work, thanks to you I understand the details more and more 👍👌
Loved this one, great point...was wondering why i was getting so so many 1s...THANK YOU
for a closed grip what would be a good follow trough? next video :)
It's being posted in a few hours. :)
i was waiting for ''roll the credits''
I liked that, but another darts youtube copied it. 🤣
That's my biggest problem, Dan, it goes to one and then it goes to 5, I know 5 is when I feel my wrist/palm is opening opening.
Total frustration, but my worst habit is , I hit my chin if I'm throwing from the front, and I hit my Ear, Cheeck or glasses when I throw from the side, my hand always de-faults from out to in in the follow through, Just like my Golf.
Work on shortening the draw. Just draw from the wrist and find a little paste at the end of the draw, then work on this. It will be easier. :)
@@Straightdarts Thanks, mate, i'm gonna work on that, only been doing darts for 4-5 months, to help get my son out of his room, We both love darts now, were competitive, he is now piping me due to my 3 bad habits, had 180x 13, Triple everything including Red Bulls.. but still have those 3 things to work on, Wrist turning open, hit my head on the way through and that dreaded elbow drop/late release. this last one keeps me stuck between lobbing and thrusting .
It's like golf, so technical, so frustrating yet so rewarding.
I'd like full video on open grip if possible
Itss coming in a few hours.
Could that explain my pull/flick on the wrist ? Because my grip is closed ? Maybe i should try changing my
Grip. I can’t wait for our next session I need it lol struggling atm but we keep pushing
Yes.
@@Straightdartsthanks mate gonna try some things in the house
That explains it. My handprint is always at an angle way away from the 20, and if I try and force the finish position my darts go anywhere. I am a closed grip player!! Is there anything inherently wrong with that Daniel. Also, I have found that the pullback of my throw has been getting too long and I am throwing straighter if I deliberately shorten if and then make a more purposeful acceleration on the forward throw.
I experience this quite a bit and you just confirmed what I noticed while throwing (the rotation). What would be the solution to correct that? A different hand print or a more opened grip? I tried to use a more opened grip and it pulls on my muscles and it feels unnatural.
Try to keep it open as it's easier to flick straight, but not at the cost of a comfortable grip. If the grip change is difficult, just learn to keep the shame angle and shape on the thrown. :)
Great advice, many thanks mate!
This probably explains why of late I hit so many 22, 26, 30. Now the question how do I fix the issue. I am constantly wondering across the board. Extremely frustrated ATM.
Part two of this video is up. :)
th-cam.com/video/-i2DcdpRCDQ/w-d-xo.html
any tips for someone that is going through a huge slump? my average dropped like 15-20 points. I've had these slumps before for like 1-3 days, possibly almost a week. But it's been going on for like 1.5 month now. It's not only the score, i can just feel my throw is off, doing something different then i was before. But i'm unable to pinpoint it. My friends tell me to put the darts away for a week, but i'm having difficulties with that, since i want to train and find the error. But it's only making me lose fun in the game right now
I'd have to see the throw, it sounds like you've lost your timing, though. Try decelerating the draw-back in to a pause and just flick the wrist and let it go, stop using your arm for a while. If you drop low, flick more, but don't push the arm.
@@Straightdarts wow, you have no idea how much this helped me. Been doing that in between for like 10 minutes and my throw is feeling better each time i try it. I just threw a scolia heatmap again that doesn't make you vomit anymore. Still lacking a bit of confidence after playing like shit for 1.5 months, but i can feel my throw becoming more effortless again. While it felt like working for over a month. Thanks
@straighttothepointdarts. Do you suggest or prefer an open or closed grip? I’m new and want to develop a robotic throw through 10,000 hours of practice but I want to make sure I’m repeating the optimal toss so I don’t develop bad habits
Open is generally easier to flick straight with. :) but it's more important to be comfortable with the girp. If you can't get comfortable with it open, just learn to keep the angle right. :)
I still can't get the flick at the top of my throw 😫, any help?
Find the pause at the end of the drawback and think about let the wirst being the first thing to move. Just lift the wrist. Keep the throw soft and the wrist fast. :)
I have the same problem! I tried switching to open grip but I can't throw it strong enough. Pls. make a tutorial video about opening the grip. Thanks!
It's coming in a few hours.
That explains Ritchie Burnett
Already made a video explaining Richie Burnett: th-cam.com/video/Vr3p9M8Z1Ss/w-d-xo.html
Ok makes sense how to fix or stop this from happening
It's beening posted a few hours :)
I have a question. Do any pro darts players change their throw for doubles? I tend to throw a certain way for 20s but for doubles i switch to a less fluid, torpedo like throw. Should i stick with how i throw the 20s which incidentally is what i spend 95% of my time on. Cheers.
No of them, give this a try: th-cam.com/video/MNSE_9epQ-8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=-kC3d4NG9HDJEP8V
@@Straightdarts cheers, I'll take a butchers👍
Will the handprint change if you're a wrist or arm thrower?
The fingers can sometimes point less to the ground, but the angle should be the same. :)
@Straightdarts brilliant thank you for the fast replies! 😃
So you can say it's similar the wrist flick like throwing a basketball? 🤔
Yes, but without lifting your elbow :)
So how do I fix this if I have a closed grip and do this
Stop rotating the elbow and focus on keeping the same shape of the hand all the way through. Watch players with a closed grip like Phil Taylor, notice the palm of his hand I'd at a slight angle, facing towards his left :)
It's also helpful to practice in slow-mo without a dart in your hand, see what shape the hand makes when you don't rotate.
My problem with syncing my throw is not in the 5 or in the 1, but too high or too low
If it's going high, your not using the wrist early and quick enough. This could be made worst if your pushing from the arm as your foram will travel to fast for your wrist to work efficiently.
Keep the elbow still, draw from the wrist and just flick, keep the arm relaxed and don't push with it.
Then if I goes low, just flick it more.
Thank you so much very precious advises
I tend to think way too much ....is my stance right..am I holding the darts right.ect.ect.all within a millisecond and I'm just getting worse.been playing for fun for 5 years and was better 4 years ago lol
You need a match day routine and three different mindsets.
Warm up check everything one at at time and get comfortable. Don't want about what you hit.
Practice, pic three things at most think about and try to hit somthing. Play some games.
When they start going your ready to play, Game on time.
Just keep the same though process and Practice with the reassurance the throw works. Don't try hard. Just aim and the threble but accept the night numbers. Keep them straight.
@@Straightdarts thanks mate I'll give it a go
So can you tell us how too fix it 😂
Stop rotating the elbow and find your natural handprint.