Honestly, I find the Unleashed Project team to be a little, um, "elitist"... They very EASILY could have made the difficulty of the scoring system in the Unleashed Project more like it was in the original game. But instead they had to act like what TV Tropes calls: "Stop Having Fun" Guys, and basically say "play it like us or GTFO."
They've simmered down over the years, but the reactions to people having something to say about the unleashed project was pretty harsh. I remember TwilightZoney telling me to "go die in a hole" because I simply suggested they add a wall-jumping trick Brianuu Sonic discovered to emulate the quick-time event jumps from unleashed. That was pretty unwarranted. Other Generations modders followed suit letting their egos get the best of them belittling anyone who criticized the changes they added to the levels, even if they weren't for the better. It was a huge war zone for a while. But when Generations modding died, so did their relevance. At least they left modding Generations and Forces to people like Brianuu, Heliaz and Mario Tainaka who are more down to earth and work real well with one another.
IMMA DRIFTO No. basically he added an invisible dash pad in areas where you do a QuickTime walljump so when you jump from the wall it send you flying to another direction. So he can have sonic wall-jump huge gaps like the QuickTime wall-jumps from 06 and Unleashed. All you have to do is press A. Look up any video of Briannu’s 06 project, you’ll see it happen in those section.
@@matrixpictures7799 yep, of course you can’t find those nasty comments anymore, because Dario deleted them from any Unleashed project video to save face. But, the modding community was always that toxic, getting so possessive over a game they didn’t own and merely just hacked.
When I didn't get an S-rank because I missed .23 of a second, it really spoke to how bullshit the grading was. Glad you have this out and you decided to explain why it's here.
You don't understand the frustration I felt when getting just an A rank on Rooftop Run, telling me I need to be *5 whole fucking seconds faster.* You are a godsend, Blaze.
After my sixth or so attempt at S-Ranking Rooftop Run and being told I had approximately 20 seconds more to shave off, I discovered this video after searching and wondering of anyone else was struggling like me. Good to know I don't exactly suck even though I could probably shave only /a few/ more seconds off.
Eight years later and I'm playing Unleashed Project for the first time. Unleashed is my favorite Sonic game, and the Project's scoring system has been a consistent source of frustration for me. But this mod as been a game changer. It's still challenging and pushes me to my limits without making the results seem impossible. Vanilla Project would tell me some crap like 20-40 seconds need to be shaved off, while this mod will tell me 2-6 seconds. And that's perfectly doable. I already know the best routes in the game, so this becomes about my reaction time, jumps, and how the boosting cool down works in Generations. You did a good job and thank you for this.
Thanks for making this even though I ran into the Unleashed Project long after it's time. I can still agree that being forced to intentionally skip springs and level mechanics to only get S rank within a second (or less) of the S rank time is absolutely ludicrous. I was only able to do Windmill Isle Act 2 when I started to lookup speedrun videos for help and even then I only got the rank with 0.3s to spare. I don't recall ever having to intentionally avoid QTE rings with bizarre jumps to achieve an S rank in Unleashed.
I actually really like this idea. Even as a speed runner myself, this mod is punishing in terms of getting S-ranks. There are several stages I still haven't gotten S-ranks on for one reason or another. While I probably won't use this addition, I'm glad to see it around. Keep up the good work.
Same page. I'm the fastest NTSC Sonic CD player (two players of the PAL version are "faster" - oh, and a bunch of the 2011 version players - that version came out after) and the Unleashed Project's S ranking times are not encouraging, they're retarded. This mod all the way.
Going out of my way to full convert Generations to Unleashed and this is what I'm after. I didn't know they messed with the ranking system and made it harder which is fine because Generations is just too easy and hands out S ranks like candy. Making it harder than Unleashed though? nah, That game made you push yourself but the ranking never felt unfair. thanks for this man.
A rule of thumb I've read about in a variety of game design articles is that if you are balancing time trials, you take the fastest staff time and add an extra 25%-50% to the clock, otherwise most consumers are going to be too discouraged to even try. I've always been trying to get you guys to look at the bigger picture, and you've always been too absorbed in your own personal goals. "If I can do the impossible, anybody can" is nowhere even close to true, and you have to accept that.
@@NotMDM It works with HedgeMod manager just fine. In fact, I uploaded it to GameBanana just a few months ago, and I think there's a "1-Click Install with HedgeMod Manager" link that *should* do everything for you. gamebanana.com/mods/50798
@@NotMDM I haven't tried, and I'm not in a position to see if it does. In theory, it should. Unless Unleashed Redux changes something about the scoring system.
Glad this exists, with such a harsh system it feels like you have to take one specific path to get good ranks where normally you could at least explore a little.
I explained it a little bit in the readme, but Sonic Unleashed calculates a final level score based on four or five different factors (time, rings, enemies destroyed, qte speed, etc.). In Generations, your score is calculated almost exclusively by how fast you finish a stage, and an S-Rank is always 50,000 points or more. In the data, Generations makes you define a "slowest" and a "fastest" time, calculated by score multipliers. Increase the multiplier, & it becomes easier to get better scores.
Good call, and i'm gonna be truthful with you, i thought this was gonna be the other extreme and make the S-ranks even harder XD Anything that is related to both Unleashed and Gens is worthy of watching and commenting anyway. Tops on the mod bro, you probably helped out many people :)
You are listed in the Unleashed Project staff, and ironically, a lot of the most intense resistance I've gotten to making the S-ranks a little nicer is from people listed as contributing to the mod...
Sonic Generations doesn't give you much of a bonus for collecting rings. I think from what I was told, you get a 1000 point bonus for having 100 rings or more when you cross the finish line. And, well, considering you typically finish an Unleashed Project stage with 300+ rings, an extra 1000 points is both basically guaranteed and almost totally worthless.
Unleashed I can understand, but did people really find Generations too difficult? I sure hope not. That aside, good job creating this mod. Even though I actually enjoyed the ramped up S rank time requirements in the Unleashed Project, I always thought Unleashed had one of the better ranking systems in the series, so this is really welcome.
Less determination and more I've had other commitments, booted up The Unleashed Project a couple weeks ago, went "Ugh, oh yeah. That." and then decided I should get around to it.
I really appreciate this little mod. S-Ranking in the original Unleashed game was already pretty tough, but the mod creators went way overboard with the ranking system in this project. I consider myself to be above average at Unleashed as well (I got every S-Rank including DLC), and it just feels like a huge middle finger to get an A-Rank despite making faster times than I ever did in the original game. Making something hard isn't a problem in itself, but it feels they made the ranking system unnecessarily strict just for the sake of being "hard", and that is not good game design.
In case you didn't know, you're mod was referenced in a terrific way by Extra Credits in a fairly recent episode. It's probably more circumstantial than anything, but I like that it uses your mod's logo to drive a point that fits in with why you made this mod in the first place. Extra Credits: Fail Faster
Exactly. Some people can beat Contra without dying. Most people can't. That does not necessarily mean Contra needs to be easier, either; it's just there was definitely a mismatch between The Unleashed Project mod and the game it was trying to represent.
Modders seriously need to understand that just because they can code and program things that doesn`t technically make them full game makers. Game making is an art, you have to take into consideration so many creative factors including the players opinions and view of the game. I mean the puclic is in fact the deciding factor of whether your games or a success aren`t they?
many years after the fact but hey just wanted to say that this mod made getting the S ranks a lot more enjoyable and attainable while still being super challenging and it's pretty cool thank you for making this!!
If the moddb page doesn't have the files or the news post on it yet, it will later today - they've been submitted for approval and it might take a few hours before they go up.
As someone who doesn't do things like this to get those high ranks (that and maybe it's cause I haven't played the project myself), it sure damn looks like they get really close to a near-perfect run. Yet, the S Ranks in it seem like it's "Top 10 on a Leaderboard filled with 100,000 people only" material, so that's why it feels unlikely to find anything to save time when I think I'm seeing perfect drifts, jumps or well-timed boosts in split-second windows for shortcuts and such.
Exactly this, the harder difficulty just made me play more til I was able to get the S-rank, and for someone who's never played Sonic Unleashed for the PS3/Xbox360 it didn't take much time to do it, a few days actually... But, then again, as people have stated, if someone can do it doesn't mean that everybody can do it...
As someone who's excessively played the Unleashed Project and S Ranked it up, I can really feel for you and everyone else with how hard it can be; especially in the No Skills runs which can -barely- make the time in most cases. This will hopefully draw the people that were put off by that brutal score system back in!
I'm not resisting anything. I just told someone that they were using the word perfect incorrectly. And ah, now I know what you mean - All I did on the unleashed project was model the hub world. I didn't even know about the S-Rank times until after release.
Rings barely factor in to your end-of-level score, though. It doesn't matter if you finish a stage with 100 rings or 800 rings, you'll only ever get a score bonus of 1000 points for it.
Man thank you, you just don't know how much this willl help to "perfect" the unleashed project, because the times are too strict to make. I barely can make an A rank on Dragon Road and further.
unleashed project should've RECREATED unleashed, there are SO MANY OBJECTS THAT ARE IN GENERATIONS BUT NOT USED, such as non spin dashpad and other camera angles. they wanted to make their own mod, using unleashed as base. THANKS FOR MAKING THIS MOD.
Thanks for this, those ridiculous rank requirements and Paraxade's elitist attitude towards your criticisms nearly turned me off from ever touching this mod ever again, not everyone likes to play like a speedrunner and use exploits.
I agree with the Unleashed Project's S Ranks being "What?" inducing. Seriously, I see people all over the place making nigh-on PERFECT runs and only getting an A, seeing that they needed a lot more seconds shaved off to get it. I just wonder how the hell they even made it like that when it seems impossible to shave off more seconds! I get S Ranks aren't the hardest thing in the world, but don't make them that for the sake of "challenge" when it's more frustrating than challenging.
Every discussion I've had on the matter with somebody related to the project usually comes down to them not thinking they're so hard. Some of them think the extreme difficulty is a type of encouragement. I've been making games in some form for at least 15 years, and I used to think both of those things myself, until I eventually learned that neither of them is true. Trying to explain that has historically just lead to very heated arguments that end in me being told I'm a loser.
I agree. I consider myself to be "above average" at Sonic Unleashed style gameplay and I got the S-Ranks easily. I have proof on my videos like CorvidDude said. I think it's a pride thing and people just don't want to admit that they aren't as good as they thought they were to just shave off a couple seconds on a time. My first couple runs weren't S-Ranks.
What you're saying is the exact problem, and the reason stuff like this gets broken in the first place. You obviously don't understand what difficulty balancing is; you've bought in your own egotism over being "better" that you've completely forgot about the big picture. You think this is about me personally and it never was. I say it right in the video - this is about restoring the original difficulty from the original game. You're taking offense to that, and somehow that makes ME the bad guy?
Hey dude nice mod! But when I use the S-Ranks Unleashed with my sonic model it mutes the quickstep soun effect. I there a way to solve this problem? Anyway, thank you for this mod!
Nothing in my mod touches the quickstep data. As far as I've been aware, this is a long-standing bug with Sonic Generations on PC. Apparently it just doesn't load the quickstep sound unless you play a Classic Sonic level first. There may be other mods to fix that.
@@BlazeHedgehog Hey Its me GamingL, just using my phone account! xD I find that to be really weird, I'll try playing a Classic level first then. But when it comes to mods... I did try to use a quickstep fix mod, however when put in higher priority, the S rank Unleashed mod doesn't take effect, when put on a lower priority, even with the mod there is no quickstep sound. Anyway thank you for answering! I hope to find a solution to this soon, but thanks for the advice! :D
@@BlazeHedgehog And I'm back! The classic sonic thing that you suggested does in fact work for my unleashed model, so thank you for your help! Its still pretty weird why that happens with this mod but in any case I appreciate the advice! have a nice day!
this makes the S-rank at least possible to get i think and BTW i will add your mod to my steam guide for unleashed (/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=159333239#108344) later today. hope you like it ;D
Maybe I was being too subtle. The Sonic Unleashed Generations times are built around the most efficient skill sets. i was making fun of the sonic unleashed generations modmaker, dario, for being a huge hypocrite towards mr blaze hedgehog on a sonic forum. do you get the joke now?
All I'm saying is that he used the term perfect improperly. And who is 'you guys'? Also, why are you assuming that the target audience for s-ranks is 'most consumers'. This isn't a professional production, it's ok to make your highest rank for the highest skill levels.
This is nice. A game with a fair amount of difficulty. I like it! =D I can understand your frustration. I do not like it when someone tells me to "suck it up" or "get over it." It's just another way silencing criticism or complaints. Basically, the people who say "stop being a baby" are mad that someone else isn't being a good, docile sheep like them. Making a game exceedingly difficult is very bad game design. It's not fun, which is what games are supposed to be about. Anyway, nice work. =)
I don't see how people find this a problem. Just don't install it if you are Ok with the Unleashed Project. The rating system was a little more than I would have liked to see. My self finding many of your problems as well.
2:29 I'm a fan Blaze, so take no disrespect from what I'm about to say, but I couldn't disagree more . Fan complaints HAVE helped the series recover from the situation it found itself in during the previous 'generation' of Sonic games, however, as a designer AND a gamer, I do want to be challenged to my limits as a player. This does not mean that a game should be NEEDLESSLY difficult, but toning down the difficulty of a series to find a more general appeal is (in my opinion) never a good thing.
I see S ranks as the score in mario games. You can get a high score if you want, but it doesn't effect the game at all. Also, I think generations has better levels than unleashed.
But Mario doesn't actively track high scores. Like, you get points for doing something, but there's no grade, no leaderboard, no nothing. Points in a Mario game are meaningless because even the game doesn't assign meaning to them. Sonic, on the other hand, has always been a game that tries to make you care about scores and grades and points. As recently as Sonic 06, you got emblems for getting the best rank in a stage. Score still matters in Sonic games.
I like it when games have their top achievement, then their super developers achievement (eg Donkey Kong Country Returns' Gold vs Shiny Gold, Crash Bandicoot's Platinum times). I think S ranks in Sonic Games should fill that role, as the secret rank higher than A; what's the alternative? When you get an S-rank in the unleashed project, you've reached the pinnacle of glitch free achievement. The point about matching the original unleashed is valid however.
But that's the problem: of course the person who created the ranks can do it. I've been the same way with games I've made; I think, "eh, it's easy enough that I can do it" and then every tester tells me it's too hard. You can't just assume, "If I can do it, anybody can." because that's inconsiderate and more importantly, naive. You have to put yourself in the shoes of somebody who doesn't know every single individual detail about every object in a stage and consider how THEY see the stage.
I had no intention to use this rank but after this - imageshack.com/a/img577/5492/8esu.png - downloading now... 00:00.14 to next rank after almost a whole afternoon trying... May I being crazy or not, after all of this, but my keyboard letter 'A' has a little bit slower answer time when I use it. As I use a notebook I don wanna destroy my keyboard to get a S-rank Anyway thanks for the mod, little things together makes a big thing
I'm currently playing the actual sonic unleashed on the ps3. I find getting S-ranks a bit on the difficult side as it is (although at least its still very much in the realm of possibility... i'm looking at you Sonic Adventure 2 -_-). To put it harder would make it unfair i think.
Unleashed System is basically hard and good It doesn't matter if you beat the level at 0.00.000 time with you have 0 score You have to kill more enemies or do anything that gives you more points
Hey dude, can you pin a modlist of stuff you have installed in the video? I want to make the Unleashed Project as authentic as possible, but It can be hard to find some of these mods nowadays.
Haha. I guess it's just me since I like to go for S-Ranks everytime I play. Sure if I mess up I won't restart everytime if I'm playing casually and accept the A-Rank, but my first goal is to get the shiny S. I guess I'm kind of a perfectionist when it comes to these games. :P
tbh, i'd welcome the harder difficulty. it gives me the motivation to improve an individual's overall performance. this mod is still pretty cool though :P
Honestly, I find the Unleashed Project team to be a little, um, "elitist"...
They very EASILY could have made the difficulty of the scoring system in the Unleashed Project more like it was in the original game. But instead they had to act like what TV Tropes calls: "Stop Having Fun" Guys, and basically say "play it like us or GTFO."
They've simmered down over the years, but the reactions to people having something to say about the unleashed project was pretty harsh. I remember TwilightZoney telling me to "go die in a hole" because I simply suggested they add a wall-jumping trick Brianuu Sonic discovered to emulate the quick-time event jumps from unleashed. That was pretty unwarranted.
Other Generations modders followed suit letting their egos get the best of them belittling anyone who criticized the changes they added to the levels, even if they weren't for the better. It was a huge war zone for a while. But when Generations modding died, so did their relevance.
At least they left modding Generations and Forces to people like Brianuu, Heliaz and Mario Tainaka who are more down to earth and work real well with one another.
@@Fractorification Wait, what was this "wall-jumping trick" that Briannu discovered? Is it some kind of mod?
IMMA DRIFTO No. basically he added an invisible dash pad in areas where you do a QuickTime walljump so when you jump from the wall it send you flying to another direction. So he can have sonic wall-jump huge gaps like the QuickTime wall-jumps from 06 and Unleashed. All you have to do is press A.
Look up any video of Briannu’s 06 project, you’ll see it happen in those section.
@@Fractorification so basically a modder sent you a death threat over a request? is it so hard to say "i decline but thanks for the suggestion"
@@matrixpictures7799 yep, of course you can’t find those nasty comments anymore, because Dario deleted them from any Unleashed project video to save face. But, the modding community was always that toxic, getting so possessive over a game they didn’t own and merely just hacked.
When I didn't get an S-rank because I missed .23 of a second, it really spoke to how bullshit the grading was. Glad you have this out and you decided to explain why it's here.
You don't understand the frustration I felt when getting just an A rank on Rooftop Run, telling me I need to be *5 whole fucking seconds faster.*
You are a godsend, Blaze.
After my sixth or so attempt at S-Ranking Rooftop Run and being told I had approximately 20 seconds more to shave off, I discovered this video after searching and wondering of anyone else was struggling like me. Good to know I don't exactly suck even though I could probably shave only /a few/ more seconds off.
Eight years later and I'm playing Unleashed Project for the first time. Unleashed is my favorite Sonic game, and the Project's scoring system has been a consistent source of frustration for me. But this mod as been a game changer. It's still challenging and pushes me to my limits without making the results seem impossible. Vanilla Project would tell me some crap like 20-40 seconds need to be shaved off, while this mod will tell me 2-6 seconds. And that's perfectly doable. I already know the best routes in the game, so this becomes about my reaction time, jumps, and how the boosting cool down works in Generations. You did a good job and thank you for this.
Thanks for making this even though I ran into the Unleashed Project long after it's time. I can still agree that being forced to intentionally skip springs and level mechanics to only get S rank within a second (or less) of the S rank time is absolutely ludicrous. I was only able to do Windmill Isle Act 2 when I started to lookup speedrun videos for help and even then I only got the rank with 0.3s to spare. I don't recall ever having to intentionally avoid QTE rings with bizarre jumps to achieve an S rank in Unleashed.
I actually really like this idea. Even as a speed runner myself, this mod is punishing in terms of getting S-ranks. There are several stages I still haven't gotten S-ranks on for one reason or another. While I probably won't use this addition, I'm glad to see it around. Keep up the good work.
Same page. I'm the fastest NTSC Sonic CD player (two players of the PAL version are "faster" - oh, and a bunch of the 2011 version players - that version came out after) and the Unleashed Project's S ranking times are not encouraging, they're retarded. This mod all the way.
I got an S-Rank in rooftop run without any glitches or mods(unless you count the unleashed style sonic mod+Jason Griffith Mod as a hack)
Going out of my way to full convert Generations to Unleashed and this is what I'm after. I didn't know they messed with the ranking system and made it harder which is fine because Generations is just too easy and hands out S ranks like candy. Making it harder than Unleashed though? nah, That game made you push yourself but the ranking never felt unfair. thanks for this man.
A rule of thumb I've read about in a variety of game design articles is that if you are balancing time trials, you take the fastest staff time and add an extra 25%-50% to the clock, otherwise most consumers are going to be too discouraged to even try.
I've always been trying to get you guys to look at the bigger picture, and you've always been too absorbed in your own personal goals. "If I can do the impossible, anybody can" is nowhere even close to true, and you have to accept that.
Is there a way to get s ranks unleashed on the hedgehog mod loader
@@NotMDM It works with HedgeMod manager just fine. In fact, I uploaded it to GameBanana just a few months ago, and I think there's a "1-Click Install with HedgeMod Manager" link that *should* do everything for you. gamebanana.com/mods/50798
@@BlazeHedgehog thanks
@@BlazeHedgehog does it work with sonic unleashed redux?
@@NotMDM I haven't tried, and I'm not in a position to see if it does. In theory, it should. Unless Unleashed Redux changes something about the scoring system.
Glad this exists, with such a harsh system it feels like you have to take one specific path to get good ranks where normally you could at least explore a little.
I explained it a little bit in the readme, but Sonic Unleashed calculates a final level score based on four or five different factors (time, rings, enemies destroyed, qte speed, etc.). In Generations, your score is calculated almost exclusively by how fast you finish a stage, and an S-Rank is always 50,000 points or more. In the data, Generations makes you define a "slowest" and a "fastest" time, calculated by score multipliers. Increase the multiplier, & it becomes easier to get better scores.
Good call, and i'm gonna be truthful with you, i thought this was gonna be the other extreme and make the S-ranks even harder XD
Anything that is related to both Unleashed and Gens is worthy of watching and commenting anyway. Tops on the mod bro, you probably helped out many people :)
Just coming back years later to thank you again for this, because god the ranking system in the Unleashed Project as was frustrated the hell out of me
You are listed in the Unleashed Project staff, and ironically, a lot of the most intense resistance I've gotten to making the S-ranks a little nicer is from people listed as contributing to the mod...
Sonic Generations doesn't give you much of a bonus for collecting rings. I think from what I was told, you get a 1000 point bonus for having 100 rings or more when you cross the finish line. And, well, considering you typically finish an Unleashed Project stage with 300+ rings, an extra 1000 points is both basically guaranteed and almost totally worthless.
It's fine. Nobody's forcing you to use it.
Unleashed I can understand, but did people really find Generations too difficult? I sure hope not.
That aside, good job creating this mod. Even though I actually enjoyed the ramped up S rank time requirements in the Unleashed Project, I always thought Unleashed had one of the better ranking systems in the series, so this is really welcome.
does this work with Unleashed Project The Complete Addon?
Less determination and more I've had other commitments, booted up The Unleashed Project a couple weeks ago, went "Ugh, oh yeah. That." and then decided I should get around to it.
I really appreciate this little mod. S-Ranking in the original Unleashed game was already pretty tough, but the mod creators went way overboard with the ranking system in this project. I consider myself to be above average at Unleashed as well (I got every S-Rank including DLC), and it just feels like a huge middle finger to get an A-Rank despite making faster times than I ever did in the original game. Making something hard isn't a problem in itself, but it feels they made the ranking system unnecessarily strict just for the sake of being "hard", and that is not good game design.
In case you didn't know, you're mod was referenced in a terrific way by Extra Credits in a fairly recent episode. It's probably more circumstantial than anything, but I like that it uses your mod's logo to drive a point that fits in with why you made this mod in the first place. Extra Credits: Fail Faster
Yup! I saw it. Thanks, though.
Woah, this is fascinating, I watched the video before but never noticed it, it's such a small detail and kinda irrelevant.
Exactly. Some people can beat Contra without dying. Most people can't. That does not necessarily mean Contra needs to be easier, either; it's just there was definitely a mismatch between The Unleashed Project mod and the game it was trying to represent.
Modders seriously need to understand that just because they can code and program things that doesn`t technically make them full game makers. Game making is an art, you have to take into consideration so many creative factors including the players opinions and view of the game. I mean the puclic is in fact the deciding factor of whether your games or a success aren`t they?
many years after the fact but hey just wanted to say that this mod made getting the S ranks a lot more enjoyable and attainable while still being super challenging and it's pretty cool
thank you for making this!!
If the moddb page doesn't have the files or the news post on it yet, it will later today - they've been submitted for approval and it might take a few hours before they go up.
As someone who doesn't do things like this to get those high ranks (that and maybe it's cause I haven't played the project myself), it sure damn looks like they get really close to a near-perfect run. Yet, the S Ranks in it seem like it's "Top 10 on a Leaderboard filled with 100,000 people only" material, so that's why it feels unlikely to find anything to save time when I think I'm seeing perfect drifts, jumps or well-timed boosts in split-second windows for shortcuts and such.
Everything's important to somebody.
Can't believe you actually did it, man. I admire your determination!
I get you. So, why hasn't this problem been fixed by the creators of the Unleashed project?
Exactly this, the harder difficulty just made me play more til I was able to get the S-rank, and for someone who's never played Sonic Unleashed for the PS3/Xbox360 it didn't take much time to do it, a few days actually... But, then again, as people have stated, if someone can do it doesn't mean that everybody can do it...
As someone who's excessively played the Unleashed Project and S Ranked it up, I can really feel for you and everyone else with how hard it can be; especially in the No Skills runs which can -barely- make the time in most cases. This will hopefully draw the people that were put off by that brutal score system back in!
Nice work and brilliant video explaining the reason for the mod.
I'm not resisting anything. I just told someone that they were using the word perfect incorrectly.
And ah, now I know what you mean - All I did on the unleashed project was model the hub world. I didn't even know about the S-Rank times until after release.
Rings barely factor in to your end-of-level score, though. It doesn't matter if you finish a stage with 100 rings or 800 rings, you'll only ever get a score bonus of 1000 points for it.
Man thank you, you just don't know how much this willl help to "perfect" the unleashed project, because the times are too strict to make. I barely can make an A rank on Dragon Road and further.
unleashed project should've RECREATED unleashed, there are SO MANY OBJECTS THAT ARE IN GENERATIONS BUT NOT USED, such as non spin dashpad and other camera angles. they wanted to make their own mod, using unleashed as base. THANKS FOR MAKING THIS MOD.
Not used objects that can't work anymore?
Objects that are hardcoded in the exe?
Thanks for this, those ridiculous rank requirements and Paraxade's elitist attitude towards your criticisms nearly turned me off from ever touching this mod ever again, not everyone likes to play like a speedrunner and use exploits.
At the very least, I've seen a lot of comments complain that Generations was way too fast.
I agree with the Unleashed Project's S Ranks being "What?" inducing. Seriously, I see people all over the place making nigh-on PERFECT runs and only getting an A, seeing that they needed a lot more seconds shaved off to get it. I just wonder how the hell they even made it like that when it seems impossible to shave off more seconds!
I get S Ranks aren't the hardest thing in the world, but don't make them that for the sake of "challenge" when it's more frustrating than challenging.
FINNALY GOT S IN ADABAT! FINNALY! THANKS MAN!
Stop thinking like a competitor and start thinking like a game designer.
no but theres a mod to be yoshi. he even goes "hrrrumph" its exactly what nobody wanted.
Every discussion I've had on the matter with somebody related to the project usually comes down to them not thinking they're so hard. Some of them think the extreme difficulty is a type of encouragement. I've been making games in some form for at least 15 years, and I used to think both of those things myself, until I eventually learned that neither of them is true. Trying to explain that has historically just lead to very heated arguments that end in me being told I'm a loser.
I agree. I consider myself to be "above average" at Sonic Unleashed style gameplay and I got the S-Ranks easily. I have proof on my videos like CorvidDude said. I think it's a pride thing and people just don't want to admit that they aren't as good as they thought they were to just shave off a couple seconds on a time. My first couple runs weren't S-Ranks.
THANK GOD!!! FINNALLY NOW MY ONLY S RANK WON'T BE WINDMILL ISLE 1.
Alan Rooftop Run is easy if you put the right skills and take no damage whatsoever
What you're saying is the exact problem, and the reason stuff like this gets broken in the first place. You obviously don't understand what difficulty balancing is; you've bought in your own egotism over being "better" that you've completely forgot about the big picture. You think this is about me personally and it never was. I say it right in the video - this is about restoring the original difficulty from the original game. You're taking offense to that, and somehow that makes ME the bad guy?
Hey dude nice mod! But when I use the S-Ranks Unleashed with my sonic model it mutes the quickstep soun effect. I there a way to solve this problem? Anyway, thank you for this mod!
Nothing in my mod touches the quickstep data. As far as I've been aware, this is a long-standing bug with Sonic Generations on PC. Apparently it just doesn't load the quickstep sound unless you play a Classic Sonic level first. There may be other mods to fix that.
@@BlazeHedgehog Hey Its me GamingL, just using my phone account! xD
I find that to be really weird, I'll try playing a Classic level first then. But when it comes to mods... I did try to use a quickstep fix mod, however when put in higher priority, the S rank Unleashed mod doesn't take effect, when put on a lower priority, even with the mod there is no quickstep sound. Anyway thank you for answering! I hope to find a solution to this soon, but thanks for the advice! :D
@@BlazeHedgehog And I'm back! The classic sonic thing that you suggested does in fact work for my unleashed model, so thank you for your help! Its still pretty weird why that happens with this mod but in any case I appreciate the advice! have a nice day!
You present a solid argument very well. Your video was interesting beyond describing what your mod did, you're very well spoken! Thanks for the mod.
lol after i finally got an S rank on savannah citadell i discover this ...
Which mod? In the original Unleashed Project? To be honest, the only level I ever got an S-Rank on in that was Savannah Citadel, so I don't know.
this makes the S-rank at least possible to get i think and BTW i will add your mod to my steam guide for unleashed (/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=159333239#108344) later today.
hope you like it ;D
Maybe I was being too subtle.
The Sonic Unleashed Generations times are built around the most efficient skill sets. i was making fun of the sonic unleashed generations modmaker, dario, for being a huge hypocrite towards mr blaze hedgehog on a sonic forum.
do you get the joke now?
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Yeah, but the orange bar is never more than 1000 points. And that's also information coming from Dario.
Oh God where were you when Chimera was giving me a hard time justifiying the S rank system?!!
All I'm saying is that he used the term perfect improperly. And who is 'you guys'?
Also, why are you assuming that the target audience for s-ranks is 'most consumers'. This isn't a professional production, it's ok to make your highest rank for the highest skill levels.
This is nice. A game with a fair amount of difficulty. I like it! =D
I can understand your frustration. I do not like it when someone tells me to "suck it up" or "get over it." It's just another way silencing criticism or complaints. Basically, the people who say "stop being a baby" are mad that someone else isn't being a good, docile sheep like them.
Making a game exceedingly difficult is very bad game design. It's not fun, which is what games are supposed to be about.
Anyway, nice work. =)
I don't see how people find this a problem. Just don't install it if you are Ok with the Unleashed Project. The rating system was a little more than I would have liked to see. My self finding many of your problems as well.
The system is ut the original stages system
Windmill Isle act 2 has the system from Green Hill act 2
I heard a rumor that you need to use Glitches and Bugs to get S rankings on the Mod.
It's true?
Cool guy BlazeHedgehog! :3
I don't remember, I think it might've been from Quake 3.
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I'm a fan Blaze, so take no disrespect from what I'm about to say, but I couldn't disagree more . Fan complaints HAVE helped the series recover from the situation it found itself in during the previous 'generation' of Sonic games, however, as a designer AND a gamer, I do want to be challenged to my limits as a player. This does not mean that a game should be NEEDLESSLY difficult, but toning down the difficulty of a series to find a more general appeal is (in my opinion) never a good thing.
I see S ranks as the score in mario games. You can get a high score if you want, but it doesn't effect the game at all.
Also, I think generations has better levels than unleashed.
Well done, well said, and thanks so much Blaze!
But Mario doesn't actively track high scores. Like, you get points for doing something, but there's no grade, no leaderboard, no nothing. Points in a Mario game are meaningless because even the game doesn't assign meaning to them.
Sonic, on the other hand, has always been a game that tries to make you care about scores and grades and points. As recently as Sonic 06, you got emblems for getting the best rank in a stage. Score still matters in Sonic games.
I like it when games have their top achievement, then their super developers achievement (eg Donkey Kong Country Returns' Gold vs Shiny Gold, Crash Bandicoot's Platinum times). I think S ranks in Sonic Games should fill that role, as the secret rank higher than A; what's the alternative? When you get an S-rank in the unleashed project, you've reached the pinnacle of glitch free achievement.
The point about matching the original unleashed is valid however.
because ranks matter
But that's the problem: of course the person who created the ranks can do it. I've been the same way with games I've made; I think, "eh, it's easy enough that I can do it" and then every tester tells me it's too hard. You can't just assume, "If I can do it, anybody can." because that's inconsiderate and more importantly, naive. You have to put yourself in the shoes of somebody who doesn't know every single individual detail about every object in a stage and consider how THEY see the stage.
now someone needs to make one for dustforce
Those runs were not perfect and it is not impossible to shave off more seconds. There is video evidence of this all over youtube.
I had no intention to use this rank but after this - imageshack.com/a/img577/5492/8esu.png - downloading now... 00:00.14 to next rank after almost a whole afternoon trying...
May I being crazy or not, after all of this, but my keyboard letter 'A' has a little bit slower answer time when I use it.
As I use a notebook I don wanna destroy my keyboard to get a S-rank
Anyway thanks for the mod, little things together makes a big thing
Use a controller.
yeah thay was very useful after 4 fucking years
Many people skip step 1. Does it work the same?
You kind of need to own Sonic Generations to mod Sonic Generations. Also, "many people"? Do you run a census, or something?
@@BlazeHedgehog Piracy, my brother. That's what I meant. I don't, by the way.
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The original.(Sorry to take time to answer)
People say you need to use speed run glitches and shortcuts.
i wont to play Sonic unleashed on pc so bad any link pls to download it with out any key thet shit pllls
wow thanks the only way to get S-ranks on the unleashed project is if you're kakipi lol you made it easy for casual players XD
What does that even mean
Works perfect. I got to the bottom of my issue. (seemed to be a corrupted file)
I'm currently playing the actual sonic unleashed on the ps3. I find getting S-ranks a bit on the difficult side as it is (although at least its still very much in the realm of possibility... i'm looking at you Sonic Adventure 2 -_-). To put it harder would make it unfair i think.
Unleashed System is basically hard and good
It doesn't matter if you beat the level at 0.00.000 time with you have 0 score
You have to kill more enemies or do anything that gives you more points
wow you're cool getting less time on a game you're the winner mang
I wish I could upvote this more.
Hey dude, can you pin a modlist of stuff you have installed in the video? I want to make the Unleashed Project as authentic as possible, but It can be hard to find some of these mods nowadays.
Haha. I guess it's just me since I like to go for S-Ranks everytime I play. Sure if I mess up I won't restart everytime if I'm playing casually and accept the A-Rank, but my first goal is to get the shiny S. I guess I'm kind of a perfectionist when it comes to these games. :P
Oh, dude, that's awful. I guess you had to take matters into your own hands. I respect that.
Your voice is heavenly. Could you make a video where you talk for an hour straight? Yeah... That would be great... zzz...
I just uploaded a video where I build a computer for an hour, and I have a two hour Game of the Year podcast also on my channel. :p
+BlazeHedgehog thank you kind sir. I will most likely fall asleep to it XD
Fucking ace man! Thanks for the link, the video and whoever put the work in to fix the mod!
tbh, i'd welcome the harder difficulty. it gives me the motivation to improve an individual's overall performance. this mod is still pretty cool though :P
SHOTS FIRED :U
Are S ranks that important?
Yup, but still, it's better than the oh SO MUCH forgiving generations stages system. :)
Thank you!! Finally!! Somebody who understands!!
Still diffucult for me ,but now I can make S rank,thanks.
If I ever get my hands on an xbox360/ps3, I'll give Sonic Unleashed a go and see what's all the fuss about. :)
If it's pointless to you, then why are you leaving a comment? :p
Sounds like somebody missed the point and would rather beat their chest because grrr argh gotta prove that I'm better than everyone
I love you.
That's a terrible excuse, dude.
is there a false positive
Man, I'm not even gonna bother with you anymore, it's clear you don't understand and probably don't even want to.
that's true. practice makes perfect, i suppose :P