"We had created monsters we couldn't control. We drugged them, tortured them, eviscerated them...we brutalized their minds... but it did not work. Until they came. And it was not their force of will - not their void devilry - not their alien darkness... it was something else. It was that somehow, within the derelict-horror, they had learned a way to see inside an ugly, broken thing-- And take away its pain."
That something else is true humanity. They didn't see the Warframes as monsters or creatures but victims of the orokins corrupted ways just as the Tenno were.
I think the point is the other frames do not have the same level of sentience. The devs mentioned there might be formas in the future that let you put umbra polarities on other frames and like, would be awesome if that meant they get more sentient once you apply it.
So, Umbra was at first a loving father and loyal Dax soldier fighting along side his son for the glory of their home, but he became a loose end to Ballas' plan to overthrow the empire for his own revenge against the murder of Margulus and Umbra gets everything torn away from him just like that? Man, the more you piece together The Sacrifice after seeing it a couple times, the better it gets.
@Desuo no you're not, the Glaive description, details it belonging to the first tenno which confused me, giving me the impression there were more tenno before the Zariman accident
It seems that Ballas is going to help the Tenno get his revenge, judging by his state in Scarlet Spear it was more likely that he was mad when they ruined his peaceful death given to him by Umbra and the Tenno by reviving him as an abomination.
16:47 was the best payoff for this whole quest. Such a tender moment. Even Ballas's arrogant voice was a nice addition to the moment of Umbra accepting the Tenno's help.
@@CziffraTheThird the sacrifice quest literally tells you warframe were once human... Why you think a umbra story about a father become a warframe and killed his son.... All warframes were once human and we have few hints before the quest too.
I loved this quote, even though it was sad "And it was not their force of will - not their void devilry - not their alien darkness... it was something else. It was that somehow, from within the derelict-horror, they had learned a way to see inside an ugly, broken thing and take away its pain."
22:34 The Tenno’s reaction is perfect. The voice really sells it. A child seeing their mother turned into a monster that puts so much pressure on them.
You are aware that Lotus', or rather Natahs mother is Hunow, it means if she's going back to Thau, when she returns here, we gonna have Old War all over again
You saved him from a cycle of torment and pain, how could he _not_ respond in kind? If we go by the idea that all Warframes are former Dax or orokin, it goes a hell of a long way to explain why it moved on its own in Second Dream.
Brooke Williams guess this also explains ur frame destroying the war as edge lord asmr whisper god (stalker) tries to kill your operator Edit: I just clicked on readmore on ur comment and realized u mentioned this already
lol, its all good. But I'd actually be very interested to see if Umbra will walk around on its own if you're in Tenno mode in the orbiter... perhaps its like the Man in the Wall and will appear at random points when you're not controlling it, meditating or examining/playing with whatever companion you have in the incubator at the time. Or simply gazing out at the stars through the cockpit. It clearly has a will of its own, and I doubt the Operator would mind letting it have free roam of the ship after so many years being trapped, especially now its rage has been soothed and vengeance taken. Although what wouldn't surprise me is if Umbra becomes a character in its own right later down the line, perhaps filling the 'parental substitute' void left behind by the Lotus. It literally was a father, thus has the experience taking care of children. And sure, he can't speak, but the Operator can sense its thoughts and know what he has to say.
I seriously wish DE had held off on Umbra's face repairing itself till they synchronised and Ballas was talking about how the Operators could take away the Warframe's pain. It would have been an incredibly potent, visual cue.
Destiny 2 "Going to mars to awaken a Russian speaking AI so it can shoot its triangles out into space." Warframe "Finding out your armor has more humanity than it's creators ever did and helping it seek revenge against its creator for the crime of killing its son."
Also destiny 2: Going on a revenge rampage across an asteroid field that ends in an ancient city that hides a singularity made by a massive battle between the Traveler and the Darkness being trapped in a 3 week time loop so a Hive Goddess can abuse the laws of time dilation to tithe murder infinitely in order to go into said Singularity with the dude who caused the whole thing coming back to life, challenging the morals of every single major character in the series and possibly creating a rift in humanities leadership while a cascade of beings capable of causing extinction level events make their way to Earth, all the while an AI who transcends time and space is trying to feed us clues to break the loop and the the cycle.
@@zaxckrandax6916 They are both fantastic games. I definitely prefer Destiny, but I've still put a couple hundred hours into WF. Don't get mad someone likes something that you don't. Also let's be honest with ourselves, people will gladly pay 70 bucks for a prime access bundle when it comes to WF, sure no one forces them too, but it seems weird to condemn the monetary practice of one game when the one you praise charges something similar for far, far less content.
@@zaxckrandax6916 When did I comment any kind of hate? It wasn't me to brought up Destiny. Ive said it once and I'll say it again: they are both excellent games. I personally prefer Destiny but that doesn't really matter here. What does matter is that I'm trying to get rid of this idea that Destiny is somehow a creatively lackluster creation that doesn't deserve anyone's attention, a sentiment I have found particularly prevalent in the Warframe community. This is probably because a lot of Destiny 2 refugees went to WF in the Curse of Osiris days and haven't bothered to look back into the game, even after it has been infinitely improved (even as a base product, without dlcs). It's fine if they still don't like it, but there are people claiming the game is still how it was then, which is blatantly false. Misinformation is the enemy here.
@@viktorsikorvich3593 Warframe is pathetically easy my dude. The toughest thing WF has is Sorties. Not to mention there isn't a single good boss battle in the game. Law suit? You kidding me? They are *drastically* different. If you had played D2 you might realize that. WF has a ton of weapons, Warframes, Arcanes, Amps, mods, everything. BUT, the actual complexity of those items generally stops at rule of cool, and the will never be a time when raw damage *isn't* the best option. That's why Warframes like Nyx are on the bottom rung of popularity right now - she doesn't do much when it comes to damage. Why control a crowd when you can simply wipe it out with one button press? Warframe is about grinding for the sake of grinding. It's less about fighting large, singular bosses and instead about wiping the floor with swathes of glass cannon trash mobs. The most complex weapons like Throwing Spears and Gunblades are generally worse then the simple ones like Dread or Soma. D2 has weapons like Malfeasance and Riskrunner - incredibly powerful in the right situations. There's also weapons like whisper of the Worm that reward high skill play and Huckleberry which rewards speed and reflexes. TLW challenges your hip firing skills and becomes meta when used right. The endgame, as of now, is a hefty ~20-30 hour series of just activity unlocks from the end of the Forsaken campaign to the unlocking of Bergusia Forge. You are allowed to like what you want, and there isn't a single person in the world who needs you to enjoy something you don't. But denying the successes of the one and ignoring the faults of the other are going to get you nowhere.
When ballas took lotus and the tenno just grips her helmet looking nervously around like a scared child i always break a little inside xD One of the few games that actually made me care about children for once!
Yeah, my tenno is basically a young little girl seemingly dreading the loss of her mother which really hit the soft-spot for me xD Its ok though since later on we get probably the most emotional/badass scenes in this game with umbra. Im wondering though, since Teshin and Isaah are both Dax, they have some connection somehow or did they just serve in the same elite military division? DAMMIT, im booting up warframe again and checking on him in the relay xD
It was so sad, seeing the pain and agony Excal Umbra went through, trapped in that vicious cycle.. I was happy to know that the Operator gave him peace. EDIT: WHOA, I've never had so many likes on a comment, like EVER! xD This is a first for me LOL
I find it really interesting how, at the very end when we meet the new Lotus and all the Sentients shoot lasers at the operator (who is out of their warframe), the Umbra frame jumps forward and saves them, out of it's own instinct to help those that helped it.
16:47 this was the moment when i started to cry while playing so much emotion ... he lost so much and had so much pain ...but in that scene it felt like we game him his deserved rest from all the suffering
What's even more horrifying, he likely ATE his son, and ate him alive. Rhino Prime entry speaks of how Rhino Prime broke loose and was eating and killing everyone in it's path until it was calmed down by a Tenno in cryosleep by chance. Got to remember, Warframes are just the Infestation perfected in the vanity of the Orokin. They are still monsters. This is why Infested with sentience are confused on why we would kill our own kind. Why Helminth sees us as it's master when we are in our Warframe because the Warframes are made from the Helminth strain.
Your opinion my opinion is thst warframe is trash lore trash, the only thing you like about this game is for the female warframers boobs and butt, and yes ive played warframe
The warframes are tortured souls. Through the Tenno children forming a psychic bond with them, they gained their freedom from their orokin captors. There was no devilry or evil in the way the Tenno controlled the warframes unlike what the orokin thought. The Tenno operator keeps pushing to ease umbras mind so he can give him freedom to seek his revenge against ballas The story is actually pretty great.
I feel like Lotus has got something planned, something big. Ballas mentioned something about her foreseeing this. I have a feeling the Lotus intentionally put the purple orb in our Oribiter right before the Apostasy prologue for a good reason. She may have also lead us to Umbra, so we can start gathering allies(possibly for the war against the Sentients in the Tau system). Knowing Lotus, this time, she would infiltrate the Sentients and betray them again(destroying the Sentients like she did with the Orokins). Although she might also betray the Tenno, because her motivations are still very unclear, and she tends to hide a lot of information from our Operators.
17:24 It's pretty interesting how much having empathy can help. Makes sense the Orokin could never get them under control; empathy and kindness are far from them aside from Margulis. The Orokin and all their brutal methods and advanced technology couldn't get the Warframes under control. Yet the Tenno's empathy did because they pretty much lost everything just like the people who became the Warframes did.
What really makes the confrontation with Ballas for me is that Umbra seemed content with just sticking him with his sword. But it was the Operator who decided to twist the blade.
Bazbo Bibbins If you Look closely umbra started hesitating and almost let go of the blade after ballas said "I created you" so the operator put his hand on the blade with him and helped him follow through.
The fact that umbra saves the operator by jumping in and pulling him back because even he is scared of the lotus sentient doing some harm to the operator is a signal of how dangerous the sentient enemy is. I can imagine him heavily breathing in fear and anger as he is when ballas is playing that game with him and about to kill his son
4:50 Random bit, but the start of the score here is the same as when you finally merge with Umbra. In this first attempt to control him it takes a much darker, grittier vibe to it symbolizing Umbra’s animalistic state of mind. While later at 18:24 (Even though that part is skipped.) it turns to a much more triumphant and noble score to symbolize what Umbra truly is. A warrior, and a revenant.
My going theory is that Lotus has been using us this entire time to complete the mission she was intended to finish in the first place. To pit us against the remaining factions in the origin system and whittle them away to make the coming sentient invasion easier. She hasn't been trying to help anyone, she has been out to remove any sign of a threat for control.
Well if she indeed wanted the Sentients to win She could have killed us in the first place Sentients are stronger than others, they know that via adaptation. The Tenno along with the void is their weakness yet Lotus freed us so not only did they release the Warframes, but also the Void Demons Do you think Lotus is that dumb to use their weakness as their weapon? They may errase the easy junk but they can't take away the Void Demons
She even made the Tenno stronger by doing this So basically, its reverse She didin't weaken the system for the sentients, she sharpened the blade to use against the sentients
@@CrystallizedBlackSkull mhh, however Vhor and Salad where trying to experiment on the warframes, Salad created the Zanuka even. Its possible the Lotus feared the corpus or grineer would eventually be capable of controlling the warframes, so the solution? Pretend you are their only allie and everyone is the enemy, make the whole system unstable, almost collapse the grineer matriarcal system.... Who knows
Although that would've been interesting, I think the reality is different. People seem to forget what happened in the Second Dream. Hunhow was inside Lotus' mind and said so himself and it was her knowing the location of the Tenno that lead the Stalker there. So if he was inside her thoughts, he wouldn't have been surprised by her betrayal beacuse there was no betrayal, he would see the real reasons for her plan and just not say anything. But the way they both reacted to the situation showed what was really going on. That Lotus was trying to help us.
You know what I really like about this story line? The tenno's reaction. Clutching at their surrogate mother's helmet and looking terrified. Despite everything, the empires they've toppled and the wars they've fought, they're still a child.
This is why I've been supporting Warframe since it's Beta days, where it was pretty much Just the Excalibur Warframe...... and now..... LOOK AT IT!!!! It is still growing, Still evolving. The Warframe lore is now slowly revealing more and more of the Frames, the characters, even Ordis has gotten that maintenance/Upgrade (though I'm probably the only player who enjoys Ordis's random "Glitchy" personality.). I'm mainly curious about if we will see other frames get something similar to "Umbra" Excalibur. If anyone has read The Codex entries of Rhino Prime and Ember Prime, those 2 give a sense of "what happened next?" curiosity.
I agree with you but part of me wants wants excalibur to be the only umbra waframe. I feel that if they add more like him then it will diminish his uniqueness. Plus(so far) in the warframe lore Excalibur umbra is the only one of his kind if i remember correctly
A.P.G Gaming To hold it in for that long. FOR THAT LONG. If Valkyr underwent heavy experimentation, it may not exceed the brutal mental scarring Umbra always felt as he killed his own son unwillingly.
Cong Vo Umbra was also technically experimented on and Tortured, albeit more mentally then Physically like Valkyr. But the big difference is that Valkyr has a conduit in which she channels her rage (Hysteria) unlike Umbra who is forced to live with it. So Umbra is far more mentally scarred than a Valkyr could ever get... Unless she found the Warframe rule 34... Then it would be debatable...
I'm unsure if greater or worse is the right way to ask these questions, because, at their core, their anger and pain are fundamentally different. Valkyr's rage is more instinctual, wild, and indiscriminate. It's the sort of natural reaction you'd expect from a wild animal in danger. She lashes out at anything and everything. Umbra's anger is far more direct and focused. It's less of a random need to survive and more of a damning hunt for vengeance, combined with the torture of experiencing the same tragedy on loop for years on end.
What I thought the story was gonna be about when I first played: umbra was a warframe that was made to have to be alive and was mad when he lost a close friend or someone he loved. What the story really was: THEY PUT A WHOLE DUDE TRANSFERRED INTO A WARFRAME WHO KILLED HIS OWN SON AND HAS THAT MEMORY PLAYING 24/7 LIVING WITH THAT PAIN. Always amazes me what the game can do
They didn't transfer him into a Warframe like how Tenno use Transference. The Transference bolt was just so Ballas could communicate and control the Dax soldier without outwardly speaking. "This poison he has given you, it has taken your will away." This is referring to the technocyte virus. The infestation that TRANSFORMED the Dax soldier into a Warframe. Warframes are Dax Soldier's and Tenno who went against Ballas, or were experimented upon with the Technocyte virus. Umbra is that virus perfected. All Warframes after use a different strain that wipes away the personality and memories of the individual transformed so that they are even more dependent on the Tenno.
Honestly watching Cortana leave the Chief was the saddest thing I've ever seen. Lotus just up and left and the Operator didn't even lift a finger to stop Ballas.
@@localblacksamurai agreed Cortana felt more meaningful, when Lotus left I was like wtf just happened. I love both games but I do agree Cortana was more heart tugging
Christopher Santos yeah and since we got so many anti sentient abilitys on umbra we might go there sooner then we tought and they have been talking about this couple of years back a new system outside ours
Rewatching these Cinematics, make me realize Something, that my Overworked brain could not figure out, after rushing trough The Sacrifice, after 12 hours of work. Excal Umbra, *Is Your* Warframe. To the full extent of the Word, *Is Your.*
Imagine if Lotus was playing us all along and us killing ballas was part of the sentients original plans of destroying the orokin empire, so now that ballas is dead she can stop pretending now and kill off the tenno/call in other sentients to help her with it.
Yeah but that's what i mean, so lotus just sits around pretending that she forgets who she is until the orokin grow the balls to leave the void and show themselves, and now *bam* dead.
Maybe Ballas didn't show himself until now? Maybe it's been one long game of chess waiting for the orokin higher-ups to re-expose themselves so she can pick them off? I'm just guessing at ideas here.
THECHAOS111 Honestly, we can make guesses or ideas but we may have to wait for the next update. 2 top theories as to why she is acting like this now is that she had her Lotus history memory wiped and sorta forgot about us when she was "released" by Ballas. Or She being brainwashed/mindcontrolled by the "Mother". I don't think she would willing betray us unless she was secretly being a double agent, which I doubt, or trying so save "someone" by pretending to be controlled.
Would be cool to see more sentient umbra frames in the future. You’ll have to earn their trust, help them heal mentally from their trauma and get their revenge or find peace in order to use them
Nah man, infact The Stalker himself has allied with Hunhow, Natah's father whiches the sentient destroyer of worlds. Oh he ded with the War sword that linked his soul, so things got complicated...
I like now Lotus's chamber looks straight out of the masoulem of the arbiters in high charity from halo 2 And the pod that she comes from looks exactly like the holder that houses the arbiter's traditional sangheili harness Hell that design looks even more Faithfull to the og games than halo 2 anniversary did
After I saw the large sentient in the opening cutscene I went "Yup that's lotis" and so far, I've never seen anyone else react like that, I'm sure there are many but I've never met one
In every cutscene after helping umbra sooth his pain my game glitched so in every cutscene there was just a random second umbra standing where I was before the cutscene
THIS bit. this story part is why I loved warframe. Its emotional impact but also telling lore that will make the community spectate and think. It's easily memorable and this Is why i play warframe. Not just for the sweet gameplay but also the story segments
Great, now I only have few questions: 1. What happened to Ballas' sword we were supposed to get? 2. Considering the size, isn't Skiajati supposed to be two-handed Nikana? And 3. WHERE THE F**K IS HYDROID PRIME TRAILER!!?
Oh my... I remember my playthrough in this quest... That last wrath choice "Squirm, like the maggot you are." It resonated with me. I screamed those words to screen... It brings back memories. "No, orokin ghost. You didn't created me. You just tortured me. Tortured us. Trapped him in an eternal nightmare, trying to control him with pain and suffering. But you shall not die orokin ghost. No no no... You shall live, and struggle. You shall only squirm! So, squirm! Like the maggot you are!"
I had called out a Wisp spectre. And during the last bit of the cutscene she was able to move and the first thing she did was ATTEMPT TO SOL GATE LOTUS.
Adriel Klein she could have called to the tenno as a trap similar to how hunhow bluffed about knowing where lua was before lotus got tricked into showing the location to him or how the twin queens told tenshin to lead the tenno to them so they could put the tenno in the ritual to body snatch us. Lotus could have been told to lead the tenno to ballas to install that device into ordis who is our last line of protection.
Yeah considering we blasted Vor in half and made a total mess of Alad V, I really don't think a solid stab in the lung is enough to take somebody out in this verse xD
Densoro he's not a fighter boss. He uses the sentients as his warriors. The orokin didn't care for super resilient bodies as they changed them often. Makes sense he would be kinda fragile.
"We had created monsters we couldn't control. We drugged them, tortured them, eviscerated them...we brutalized their minds... but it did not work. Until they came. And it was not their force of will - not their void devilry - not their alien darkness... it was something else. It was that somehow, within the derelict-horror, they had learned a way to see inside an ugly, broken thing-- And take away its pain."
Not the best idea ballas
That something else is true humanity. They didn't see the Warframes as monsters or creatures but victims of the orokins corrupted ways just as the Tenno were.
They learned to control their pain to overcome it. Together
The feels, bruh.
We use this memory
It fuels our *WRATH*
I find it hilarious that you manage to win each round of Komi despite that the plot wants you not to
Seems to me the early wins just pointed to the guys collapse after each memory where suddenly he was overwhelmed seemingly from nowhere
Somehow I managed to lose to Ballas in Komi... Yeah, I don’t know how either...
hahah 😆
@@princesscadance197 I just replayed the quest and same lol
@@princesscadance197i didn't even try tbh
I love the scene where umbra and the operator merge its so peaceful
Aleksander Yordanov I love when it should how Sentient he was when he was equipped in orbited. One of my fav part
I love the part where when you are out of your warframe, Umbra jumps forward towards you to protect you.
The music that plays is my favorite too, one of the best tracks in a game in a long time.
@@AbyssWatcher0908 yeah same
@@surrr_3193 if only he didn't take his Tylenol pm before The New War
I like umbra because you actually get a emotional connection with him unlike all the other warframes
Would be interesting if future warframes got a storyline
@@its_wille iam curious about chroma history
I like limbo
I think the point is the other frames do not have the same level of sentience. The devs mentioned there might be formas in the future that let you put umbra polarities on other frames and like, would be awesome if that meant they get more sentient once you apply it.
Dajjal meh. You can feel something for their history
So, Umbra was at first a loving father and loyal Dax soldier fighting along side his son for the glory of their home, but he became a loose end to Ballas' plan to overthrow the empire for his own revenge against the murder of Margulus and Umbra gets everything torn away from him just like that? Man, the more you piece together The Sacrifice after seeing it a couple times, the better it gets.
Not to mention that it confirms the suspicions The War Within created about the origin of the warframes.
You are probably that fucking dense if you didn't catch that the first time
@Desuo no you're not, the Glaive description, details it belonging to the first tenno which confused me, giving me the impression there were more tenno before the Zariman accident
the skin predating the empire is a reference to DEs dark sector game
It seems that Ballas is going to help the Tenno get his revenge, judging by his state in Scarlet Spear it was more likely that he was mad when they ruined his peaceful death given to him by Umbra and the Tenno by reviving him as an abomination.
16:47 was the best payoff for this whole quest. Such a tender moment. Even Ballas's arrogant voice was a nice addition to the moment of Umbra accepting the Tenno's help.
The soundtrack is also great
Wrong
Umbra seems more like a character
He's a very interesting frame cause you're playing as a "human"
As a transformed dax soldier to be more precise
All warframe were human..
@@TheDragonfriday How do you know?
@@CziffraTheThird the sacrifice quest literally tells you warframe were once human... Why you think a umbra story about a father become a warframe and killed his son.... All warframes were once human and we have few hints before the quest too.
@@TheDragonfriday Wow very awesome! I did not know this! I did not get that far yet with the quests!
I loved this quote, even though it was sad "And it was not their force of will - not their void devilry - not their alien darkness... it was something else. It was that somehow, from within the derelict-horror, they had learned a way to see inside an ugly, broken thing and take away its pain."
Think this applies to Lotus now?
22:34 The Tenno’s reaction is perfect. The voice really sells it. A child seeing their mother turned into a monster that puts so much pressure on them.
Ordis Talks about dark memories
*warframe starts dancing
kkkkkkkkkkkkk
Umbra screams
That killed me. The ship was destabalizing and the warframe started to dance :)
*Heavy wheezing*
@Umbra If you get you’re own game that’s single player too, that would just be fucking perfect.
if space mom said mom im coming home does that mean we get to meet space grandma?
Yep
lol
The boos of the Sentients i supose.
Lotus = Ozzy osborne confirmed?
You are aware that Lotus', or rather Natahs mother is Hunow, it means if she's going back to Thau, when she returns here, we gonna have Old War all over again
22:46 love that umbra saves you there
You saved him from a cycle of torment and pain, how could he _not_ respond in kind?
If we go by the idea that all Warframes are former Dax or orokin, it goes a hell of a long way to explain why it moved on its own in Second Dream.
Brooke Williams guess this also explains ur frame destroying the war as edge lord asmr whisper god (stalker) tries to kill your operator
Edit: I just clicked on readmore on ur comment and realized u mentioned this already
lol, its all good. But I'd actually be very interested to see if Umbra will walk around on its own if you're in Tenno mode in the orbiter... perhaps its like the Man in the Wall and will appear at random points when you're not controlling it, meditating or examining/playing with whatever companion you have in the incubator at the time. Or simply gazing out at the stars through the cockpit.
It clearly has a will of its own, and I doubt the Operator would mind letting it have free roam of the ship after so many years being trapped, especially now its rage has been soothed and vengeance taken. Although what wouldn't surprise me is if Umbra becomes a character in its own right later down the line, perhaps filling the 'parental substitute' void left behind by the Lotus. It literally was a father, thus has the experience taking care of children. And sure, he can't speak, but the Operator can sense its thoughts and know what he has to say.
this should be added in the game... a pet warframe
omgwtfhaxfan1221003 We do, they're called Spectres
I seriously wish DE had held off on Umbra's face repairing itself till they synchronised and Ballas was talking about how the Operators could take away the Warframe's pain. It would have been an incredibly potent, visual cue.
Sujad na. His armor = his skin. He just grow his face back
@@addmen96 So that explains the whole "Bio metal" thing.
I honestly agree. I’m a sucker for things like that
*picks "Squirm" option*
Damn bro, u savage af. Not saying he didn't deserve it.
I never expected to get so invested in a free to play game. Every new trailer for Warframe just gives me chills at this point lol
Get ready for TennoCon tomorrow :)
0:23
Thought she was talking to you did ya? same my heart broke
Hate when that happens.
Destiny 2 "Going to mars to awaken a Russian speaking AI so it can shoot its triangles out into space."
Warframe "Finding out your armor has more humanity than it's creators ever did and helping it seek revenge against its creator for the crime of killing its son."
Kinda like forsaken
Also destiny 2: Going on a revenge rampage across an asteroid field that ends in an ancient city that hides a singularity made by a massive battle between the Traveler and the Darkness being trapped in a 3 week time loop so a Hive Goddess can abuse the laws of time dilation to tithe murder infinitely in order to go into said Singularity with the dude who caused the whole thing coming back to life, challenging the morals of every single major character in the series and possibly creating a rift in humanities leadership while a cascade of beings capable of causing extinction level events make their way to Earth, all the while an AI who transcends time and space is trying to feed us clues to break the loop and the the cycle.
@@zaxckrandax6916 They are both fantastic games. I definitely prefer Destiny, but I've still put a couple hundred hours into WF. Don't get mad someone likes something that you don't.
Also let's be honest with ourselves, people will gladly pay 70 bucks for a prime access bundle when it comes to WF, sure no one forces them too, but it seems weird to condemn the monetary practice of one game when the one you praise charges something similar for far, far less content.
@@zaxckrandax6916 When did I comment any kind of hate? It wasn't me to brought up Destiny. Ive said it once and I'll say it again: they are both excellent games. I personally prefer Destiny but that doesn't really matter here. What does matter is that I'm trying to get rid of this idea that Destiny is somehow a creatively lackluster creation that doesn't deserve anyone's attention, a sentiment I have found particularly prevalent in the Warframe community. This is probably because a lot of Destiny 2 refugees went to WF in the Curse of Osiris days and haven't bothered to look back into the game, even after it has been infinitely improved (even as a base product, without dlcs). It's fine if they still don't like it, but there are people claiming the game is still how it was then, which is blatantly false. Misinformation is the enemy here.
@@viktorsikorvich3593 Warframe is pathetically easy my dude. The toughest thing WF has is Sorties. Not to mention there isn't a single good boss battle in the game.
Law suit? You kidding me? They are *drastically* different. If you had played D2 you might realize that.
WF has a ton of weapons, Warframes, Arcanes, Amps, mods, everything. BUT, the actual complexity of those items generally stops at rule of cool, and the will never be a time when raw damage *isn't* the best option. That's why Warframes like Nyx are on the bottom rung of popularity right now - she doesn't do much when it comes to damage. Why control a crowd when you can simply wipe it out with one button press?
Warframe is about grinding for the sake of grinding. It's less about fighting large, singular bosses and instead about wiping the floor with swathes of glass cannon trash mobs. The most complex weapons like Throwing Spears and Gunblades are generally worse then the simple ones like Dread or Soma.
D2 has weapons like Malfeasance and Riskrunner - incredibly powerful in the right situations. There's also weapons like whisper of the Worm that reward high skill play and Huckleberry which rewards speed and reflexes. TLW challenges your hip firing skills and becomes meta when used right. The endgame, as of now, is a hefty ~20-30 hour series of just activity unlocks from the end of the Forsaken campaign to the unlocking of Bergusia Forge.
You are allowed to like what you want, and there isn't a single person in the world who needs you to enjoy something you don't. But denying the successes of the one and ignoring the faults of the other are going to get you nowhere.
Excalibur umbra might be one of the only warframes who doesn't need extra cosmetics.
in fact many umbra players I have seen prefer him only with recoloring and nothing more
@@ZeroXionXZ that's techinally all he needs really but I'll probably add to shoulder plates
As soon as I got him, I decided I wouldn't change his appearance...
I don't know, a form of respect?
Have you tried the Riv-elite guards everyone except for the chest? Fits oddly well
@@coren5911Hell he already looks drippy enough.
Space mom betrayed us...
Revenge will be taken!
*angry Valkyr screaming in the distance*
*Angry Umbra screaming and earraping u*
REEEEEE
Rhino in the distance sprinting with iron skin and roaring
*heavy wheezing*
Commissar Purity she was mind controlled! She’s not eviiillll I have faith ;-;
*Lotus is the New Vay Hek*
What ? Truth
Maggot!!! XD
DID YOU REALLY BELEIVE IT WOULD BE THIS EASY?????
Are you ready for a SACRIFICE?!
SACRIFIIIICE
When ballas took lotus and the tenno just grips her helmet looking nervously around like a scared child i always break a little inside xD One of the few games that actually made me care about children for once!
Yeah, that scene was -incredibly- effecting for me as well. Here's this warrior-god looking scared, sad and alone. It was tragic
Yeah, my tenno is basically a young little girl seemingly dreading the loss of her mother which really hit the soft-spot for me xD Its ok though since later on we get probably the most emotional/badass scenes in this game with umbra. Im wondering though, since Teshin and Isaah are both Dax, they have some connection somehow or did they just serve in the same elite military division? DAMMIT, im booting up warframe again and checking on him in the relay xD
The Dax were basically the Orokin's loyal soldiers, oathbound to serve and obey.
Are you fucking kidding me? You dont care about children? THE FUCKING FUTURE? You were a child. That makes me sad.
Alone Always
Umm i certainly hope that isnt directed to me, since ive made no such comment here xD
3:42 Starts dancing in crucial moment 😂
Space mom got hypnotized by sentient tentacles now she is one, damn you Ballas u missed Lotus so much that your right hand so big.
LOL
Lol
“He’s going to kill him!” *starts dancing 3 seconds later*
16:48 made me cry. its just so sad and beautiful.
I love how Warframe is full price game quality in a free game with a never ending story
It was so sad, seeing the pain and agony Excal Umbra went through, trapped in that vicious cycle.. I was happy to know that the Operator gave him peace.
EDIT: WHOA, I've never had so many likes on a comment, like EVER! xD This is a first for me LOL
Amen.
Ordis on the other hand...
Is still suffering the same fate lmao
I don't think he is Exalibur Umbra, he is just Umbra. A unique individual turned into a proxie Warframe but retaining his personality.
Not gonna lie I almost cried when I saw the anguished warframe
I find it really interesting how, at the very end when we meet the new Lotus and all the Sentients shoot lasers at the operator (who is out of their warframe), the Umbra frame jumps forward and saves them, out of it's own instinct to help those that helped it.
16:47 this was the moment when i started to cry while playing
so much emotion ...
he lost so much and had so much pain ...but in that scene it felt like we game him his deserved rest from all the suffering
2:19 when you pour a bowl of cereal but youre out of milk
When you forget to build the forma
when you pour a bowl of milk and realise you're out of cereal
Howl all you want..
When you fail at the last moment unveiling your riven mod
Umbra reliving killing his own son over and over would send anyone into a state of madness
What's even more horrifying, he likely ATE his son, and ate him alive. Rhino Prime entry speaks of how Rhino Prime broke loose and was eating and killing everyone in it's path until it was calmed down by a Tenno in cryosleep by chance.
Got to remember, Warframes are just the Infestation perfected in the vanity of the Orokin. They are still monsters. This is why Infested with sentience are confused on why we would kill our own kind. Why Helminth sees us as it's master when we are in our Warframe because the Warframes are made from the Helminth strain.
4:38 let’s be honest the first time we did “this” it had us scared af
22:45 When you save your teammate when he’s afk somewhere
LOL yes
That part didnt scare me...
The man in the wall did though , and I excepted it!
Warframe has the most interesting non payable story that puts destiny to shame
It only needs to be 1 game to be better than destiny.
Henry The Cocaine-Sampler clearly he's comparing specifically warframe and destiny not destiny to other games
Destiny was already at shame
@@ImJustSage But why would little kids that play destiny 2 be here?
Your opinion my opinion is thst warframe is trash lore trash, the only thing you like about this game is for the female warframers boobs and butt, and yes ive played warframe
My name is Umbra, father to a murdered son, and I will have my vengeance in this life or the next!
Nice Gladiator Reference, lol
0h
25:11 Great time for jokes, Ordis.
Umbra is quite literally "I have no mouth and must scream"
Yep, but unlike the victim of “I have no mouth and must scream”, we give umbra peace and end his pain
"Don't worry, old Friend. *I'm* not going to kill your boy..... You are."
So the Lotus committed treason, then? Fire up Umbra!
apeturesci it's treason then *ear rape old man spin*
@@Face01 *stabs a jedi knight*
Is it really considered treason if she was never really on our side and was just brainwashed into serving us?
100th like
I believe you don't know what treason means
The warframes are tortured souls. Through the Tenno children forming a psychic bond with them, they gained their freedom from their orokin captors.
There was no devilry or evil in the way the Tenno controlled the warframes unlike what the orokin thought. The Tenno operator keeps pushing to ease umbras mind so he can give him freedom to seek his revenge against ballas
The story is actually pretty great.
fun fact: At the final choice of this quest ( 21:36 ), Ballad will react differently in all 3 choices
1:i'm juz the stone.she is the hand
2:yes....yes she has foreseen it!
3:i now understand what she saw in u
I love the last one, is like he finally understands what we are and the reason on why margulis loved us so much
It reminds me of the linking from pacific rim
Thanks, I always go neutral.
@@saptarshibhowmick5220 now first is the canon
I feel like Lotus has got something planned, something big. Ballas mentioned something about her foreseeing this. I have a feeling the Lotus intentionally put the purple orb in our Oribiter right before the Apostasy prologue for a good reason. She may have also lead us to Umbra, so we can start gathering allies(possibly for the war against the Sentients in the Tau system). Knowing Lotus, this time, she would infiltrate the Sentients and betray them again(destroying the Sentients like she did with the Orokins). Although she might also betray the Tenno, because her motivations are still very unclear, and she tends to hide a lot of information from our Operators.
The best scene of the whole lore
16:48
Damn Ballas got sweet footwear
He's rocking them Air Orokin 7s
@@speararmada716 ye
@@speararmada716 Nah those are some space timbs
But WHAT ARE THOSE footwear, where can get it ?
*Slow Clap*
25:11 Shut up Ordis you're ruining the moment!
LOL
I can imagine this as a behind the scenes moment when making this. :P
Leave ordis alone, he just got controlled by a none warframe!
"Last chance to look at me, Dax"
17:24 It's pretty interesting how much having empathy can help. Makes sense the Orokin could never get them under control; empathy and kindness are far from them aside from Margulis. The Orokin and all their brutal methods and advanced technology couldn't get the Warframes under control. Yet the Tenno's empathy did because they pretty much lost everything just like the people who became the Warframes did.
What really makes the confrontation with Ballas for me is that Umbra seemed content with just sticking him with his sword. But it was the Operator who decided to twist the blade.
Bazbo Bibbins If you Look closely umbra started hesitating and almost let go of the blade after ballas said "I created you" so the operator put his hand on the blade with him and helped him follow through.
Seeing this guy using void blast makes me miss it
Finally! Someone knows how to play Komi, God!
ACT Ascetic it reminds me of Go
The fact that umbra saves the operator by jumping in and pulling him back because even he is scared of the lotus sentient doing some harm to the operator is a signal of how dangerous the sentient enemy is.
I can imagine him heavily breathing in fear and anger as he is when ballas is playing that game with him and about to kill his son
Umbra has a sad sad story, got me teared up when we got him to calm and became him. Very great warframe too
I remember back when I started playing, did not see these story missions coming my way, god did they change the whole game.
4:50 Random bit, but the start of the score here is the same as when you finally merge with Umbra. In this first attempt to control him it takes a much darker, grittier vibe to it symbolizing Umbra’s animalistic state of mind. While later at 18:24 (Even though that part is skipped.) it turns to a much more triumphant and noble score to symbolize what Umbra truly is. A warrior, and a revenant.
Thats a really neat and easily overlooked thing, glad you caught it!
22:44 is what made me love Umbra that much more.
22:05 STANDBY FOR TITANFALL
Yes! I found another pre-Apex player!
hEy Is tHAt tHe NEw lEgEnd iN APeX?!?
My going theory is that Lotus has been using us this entire time to complete the mission she was intended to finish in the first place. To pit us against the remaining factions in the origin system and whittle them away to make the coming sentient invasion easier. She hasn't been trying to help anyone, she has been out to remove any sign of a threat for control.
Well if she indeed wanted the Sentients to win
She could have killed us in the first place
Sentients are stronger than others, they know that via adaptation. The Tenno along with the void is their weakness yet Lotus freed us so not only did they release the Warframes, but also the Void Demons
Do you think Lotus is that dumb to use their weakness as their weapon? They may errase the easy junk but they can't take away the Void Demons
She even made the Tenno stronger by doing this
So basically, its reverse
She didin't weaken the system for the sentients, she sharpened the blade to use against the sentients
@@CrystallizedBlackSkull mhh, however Vhor and Salad where trying to experiment on the warframes, Salad created the Zanuka even.
Its possible the Lotus feared the corpus or grineer would eventually be capable of controlling the warframes, so the solution? Pretend you are their only allie and everyone is the enemy, make the whole system unstable, almost collapse the grineer matriarcal system.... Who knows
Although that would've been interesting, I think the reality is different. People seem to forget what happened in the Second Dream. Hunhow was inside Lotus' mind and said so himself and it was her knowing the location of the Tenno that lead the Stalker there. So if he was inside her thoughts, he wouldn't have been surprised by her betrayal beacuse there was no betrayal, he would see the real reasons for her plan and just not say anything.
But the way they both reacted to the situation showed what was really going on. That Lotus was trying to help us.
Wait if Lotus is acting like shes on. ballas side,then backstabs him???
You know what I really like about this story line?
The tenno's reaction. Clutching at their surrogate mother's helmet and looking terrified. Despite everything, the empires they've toppled and the wars they've fought, they're still a child.
This is why I've been supporting Warframe since it's Beta days, where it was pretty much Just the Excalibur Warframe......
and now..... LOOK AT IT!!!! It is still growing, Still evolving. The Warframe lore is now slowly revealing more and more of the Frames, the characters, even Ordis has gotten that maintenance/Upgrade (though I'm probably the only player who enjoys Ordis's random "Glitchy" personality.).
I'm mainly curious about if we will see other frames get something similar to "Umbra" Excalibur. If anyone has read The Codex entries of Rhino Prime and Ember Prime, those 2 give a sense of "what happened next?" curiosity.
I agree with you but part of me wants wants excalibur to be the only umbra waframe. I feel that if they add more like him then it will diminish his uniqueness. Plus(so far) in the warframe lore Excalibur umbra is the only one of his kind if i remember correctly
I agree (exept the more umbras because umbra Excalibur’s just supposed to be unique) and also, I also enjoy ordis’s glitchy personality.
Not sure whether his pain and anger are greater than Valkyr
Edit: There are a lot of these
A.P.G Gaming To hold it in for that long. FOR THAT LONG. If Valkyr underwent heavy experimentation, it may not exceed the brutal mental scarring Umbra always felt as he killed his own son unwillingly.
Yvez Mathrim Matocinos and being repeating that memory, over and over again, torturing himself unwillingly every day.
Cong Vo
Umbra was also technically experimented on and Tortured, albeit more mentally then Physically like Valkyr.
But the big difference is that Valkyr has a conduit in which she channels her rage (Hysteria) unlike Umbra who is forced to live with it.
So Umbra is far more mentally scarred than a Valkyr could ever get... Unless she found the Warframe rule 34... Then it would be debatable...
A.P.G Gaming yea his pains are greater then valk
I'm unsure if greater or worse is the right way to ask these questions, because, at their core, their anger and pain are fundamentally different.
Valkyr's rage is more instinctual, wild, and indiscriminate. It's the sort of natural reaction you'd expect from a wild animal in danger. She lashes out at anything and everything.
Umbra's anger is far more direct and focused. It's less of a random need to survive and more of a damning hunt for vengeance, combined with the torture of experiencing the same tragedy on loop for years on end.
What I thought the story was gonna be about when I first played: umbra was a warframe that was made to have to be alive and was mad when he lost a close friend or someone he loved.
What the story really was: THEY PUT A WHOLE DUDE TRANSFERRED INTO A WARFRAME WHO KILLED HIS OWN SON AND HAS THAT MEMORY PLAYING 24/7 LIVING WITH THAT PAIN. Always amazes me what the game can do
They didn't transfer him into a Warframe like how Tenno use Transference. The Transference bolt was just so Ballas could communicate and control the Dax soldier without outwardly speaking.
"This poison he has given you, it has taken your will away."
This is referring to the technocyte virus. The infestation that TRANSFORMED the Dax soldier into a Warframe. Warframes are Dax Soldier's and Tenno who went against Ballas, or were experimented upon with the Technocyte virus. Umbra is that virus perfected. All Warframes after use a different strain that wipes away the personality and memories of the individual transformed so that they are even more dependent on the Tenno.
4:46 - 5:15
I love the way Umbra slowly turns his head to stare into your soul with his dead eyes.
16:39 the scene that touched my heart,made me almost cry...just look at umbra..how sad and worried he was.that was rlly sad asf
Honestly watching Cortana leave the Chief was the saddest thing I've ever seen. Lotus just up and left and the Operator didn't even lift a finger to stop Ballas.
@@localblacksamurai agreed Cortana felt more meaningful, when Lotus left I was like wtf just happened. I love both games but I do agree Cortana was more heart tugging
@@nightworld4658 I bet. If that were me I'd be like ," Mommy no! Go with that creep. He just wants it money!" Which is exactly my moms bf
The War Without (The Lotus) in the Tau system
Introduces the home and history of the sentients as the operator fights to restore the lotus as the mother of the tenno.
Christopher Santos yeah and since we got so many anti sentient abilitys on umbra we might go there sooner then we tought and they have been talking about this couple of years back a new system outside ours
Rewatching these Cinematics, make me realize Something, that my Overworked brain could not figure out, after rushing trough The Sacrifice, after 12 hours of work.
Excal Umbra, *Is Your* Warframe.
To the full extent of the Word, *Is Your.*
what?
Yeah what ? Lol
he means it's your true warframe, all the other ones are yours but this one is truly the one you should be with.
Weddell Seal I agree I've already abandoned my other frames except my regular excal he still my boy
Why? Because its sentient?
Imagine if Lotus was playing us all along and us killing ballas was part of the sentients original plans of destroying the orokin empire, so now that ballas is dead she can stop pretending now and kill off the tenno/call in other sentients to help her with it.
THECHAOS111 Well orokin are almost all dead and if they are some survivor they can't really fight...just escape in the void and wait
Yeah but that's what i mean, so lotus just sits around pretending that she forgets who she is until the orokin grow the balls to leave the void and show themselves, and now *bam* dead.
She had 1000 opportunity to accomplish that, so why now? She could have even used the Stalker right?
Maybe Ballas didn't show himself until now? Maybe it's been one long game of chess waiting for the orokin higher-ups to re-expose themselves so she can pick them off? I'm just guessing at ideas here.
THECHAOS111 Honestly, we can make guesses or ideas but we may have to wait for the next update. 2 top theories as to why she is acting like this now is that she had her Lotus history memory wiped and sorta forgot about us when she was "released" by Ballas. Or She being brainwashed/mindcontrolled by the "Mother". I don't think she would willing betray us unless she was secretly being a double agent, which I doubt, or trying so save "someone" by pretending to be controlled.
Im gonna be honest, Warframe is the only game that made me cry, i was almost weeping...
why
Would be cool to see more sentient umbra frames in the future. You’ll have to earn their trust, help them heal mentally from their trauma and get their revenge or find peace in order to use them
I've done the quest 3 times now. But it still gives me chills
The part where you become one with umbra is one of my favorite video game moments and my favorite from this game.
4:02 Now we know why Ordis has that thing inside him in TNW lol
The Sacrifice is by far the best cinenatic quest in the whole game.
Can’t forget the second dream and the war within
3:41 the warframe vibes while ordis is having a seizure
"It was somehow, within that derelect horror, they had learned to see inside an ugly, broken thing, and take away its pain."
22:53 Dual Nikana confirmed
Umbras nikatana is two handed
4 armed umbra confirmed
So, in the next quest we team up with Stalker to cleanse his despair in their blood?
Dennis wooo! Wouldn’t that be an awesome team up!
This man is a genius!
maybe we got stalker as our warframe lol
I still want my Clem Prime...
Nah man, infact The Stalker himself has allied with Hunhow, Natah's father whiches the sentient destroyer of worlds.
Oh he ded with the War sword that linked his soul, so things got complicated...
I like now Lotus's chamber looks straight out of the masoulem of the arbiters in high charity from halo 2
And the pod that she comes from looks exactly like the holder that houses the arbiter's traditional sangheili harness
Hell that design looks even more Faithfull to the og games than halo 2 anniversary did
After I saw the large sentient in the opening cutscene I went "Yup that's lotis" and so far, I've never seen anyone else react like that, I'm sure there are many but I've never met one
16:57 It almost made me cry
17:48 single best line in the quest.
Ikr
Watching this made me wanna catch back on warframe thanks alot man loved it
In every cutscene after helping umbra sooth his pain my game glitched so in every cutscene there was just a random second umbra standing where I was before the cutscene
Lmao
16:55 made me literaly cry
FeelsBadMan
Almost made me cry too.
My favorite part of the quest, and, maybe, of all quests
Clem
Woah I love your operator and warframe design
Thanks :D
21:04 you were saying?
Ballas: I... Created you...
Umbra: bullshit... *Impales ballas further*
THIS bit. this story part is why I loved warframe. Its emotional impact but also telling lore that will make the community spectate and think. It's easily memorable and this Is why i play warframe. Not just for the sweet gameplay but also the story segments
Great, now I only have few questions:
1. What happened to Ballas' sword we were supposed to get?
2. Considering the size, isn't Skiajati supposed to be two-handed Nikana?
And 3.
WHERE THE F**K IS HYDROID PRIME TRAILER!!?
i.imgur.com/V3lqI0M.png
You thought I meant Skiajati, didn't you? lol
NumbZkull guess we'll have to wait until we meet Ballas and Natah again.
I have a feeling they might release all 3 trailers (Hydroid, Zephyr, Limbo) at Tennocon.
Archon of Games yeah they said those trailers are on hold until they finished with the sacrifice
Oh my... I remember my playthrough in this quest...
That last wrath choice
"Squirm, like the maggot you are." It resonated with me. I screamed those words to screen... It brings back memories.
"No, orokin ghost. You didn't created me. You just tortured me. Tortured us. Trapped him in an eternal nightmare, trying to control him with pain and suffering.
But you shall not die orokin ghost. No no no... You shall live, and struggle. You shall only squirm! So, squirm! Like the maggot you are!"
The music in these story quests ..... is awesooooooooome!
The music at the quest's end is so peaceful.
Thanks for posting, was looking for footage to show friends who left the game, and other uploaders had really terrible looking operators
Thanks! :D
I had called out a Wisp spectre.
And during the last bit of the cutscene she was able to move and the first thing she did was ATTEMPT TO SOL GATE LOTUS.
Everything about this was so good the music the story there's a perfect balance of sadness vengeance peace and ballas
Wow. One of the best videos i have seen.
I see you went to the ol' Vay Hek method of insulting there at the end
I think the lotus backstabs the tenno honestly i think in the future there will be a fight against her
Why did she called for you in the first place? She wanted you to find Umbra, she wanted you to defeat Ballas. She is still there, trapped.
I agree with Adriel.
Adriel Klein no! She needs to die and the Orokin Empire needs to be restored!
Adriel Klein she could have called to the tenno as a trap similar to how hunhow bluffed about knowing where lua was before lotus got tricked into showing the location to him or how the twin queens told tenshin to lead the tenno to them so they could put the tenno in the ritual to body snatch us.
Lotus could have been told to lead the tenno to ballas to install that device into ordis who is our last line of protection.
It would be cool as a final boss
This was the one that made me see just how great the stories could be in Warframe
Did anyone else notice that right before ballas commanded umbra to kill his son, he captured one of his komi stones?
Did u another dialogue when u relogged in after completing the quest, there was a conversation where ur operator talks to the 'hey kiddo' dude
Anyone else feels Ballas boss fight was a bit...alot anticlimactic.
Kentell Robinson i felt the same
its probably not going to be the last time we see him
so maybe next time it will be a lot better
Not at all. It was epic as hell.
Yeah considering we blasted Vor in half and made a total mess of Alad V, I really don't think a solid stab in the lung is enough to take somebody out in this verse xD
Densoro he's not a fighter boss. He uses the sentients as his warriors.
The orokin didn't care for super resilient bodies as they changed them often. Makes sense he would be kinda fragile.
Holy shit, those flashbacks with Ballas were so well executed. Almost gave me anxiety attacks
16:48 I teared up a bit at this scene