3D Printing is SLOW？| FLSUN V400
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40 hours to print, 200 hours fixing the machine between failed prints
Idk who you are but im the first commenting on this verified youtuber
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Now answer this question, which printing quality was better?
Ima guess the slow ass one
@@TheFlamingoBird depends on the print and what filling you use. Sometimes the slow one and fast one have very similar quality because of the size and density of the filling.
You could also sand the quick one, easy fix
@@TheFlamingoBird it’s probably a cheeper printer so maybe not.
Now answer this question, why would you spend $400 and 20 hours to print something you literally wouldn't even want for free?
@@vincenth.8709 He prints useless stuff because TH-cam doesn't like it when you show how to print guns
I didn't realise how big those boats were until you showed them for the second time and knocked them over. Damn they're huge
*cat for scale*
Same, The cat for scale didn't register in my brain
I have this printer for my lab at work - yes it’s fast and the work space is larger than the typical printer, but I do have to say there’s a slight loss in print quality at higher speeds. HOWEVER, it’s actually perfect for rapid prototyping if you’re trying designs out over and over again like I do all day. It saves quite a bit of time compared to my personal printer
How much does it cost?
@@-MletsPlay- as of today, I think you can get it on sale for around $600
@@max_hairlossrather buy a much faster bambu for the same price tbh
@@Ckcdillpickle I’d completely agree - better speed and quality, only thing is build plate size is a bit smaller but that’s a trade off that’s with it
"A person with 3 hands."
Still one pencil.
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I… how do I explain this. Two people walking 3 mph will still do the same distance and work as one walking 6 mph. Speed also increases productivity…
Heads he said
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It's more because all three motors can work together and without needing a gantry like many printers have your print head weighs a lot less meaning you can accelerate and decelerate it faster and with more precision.
Bro the quality on the infill already tells me all I need.
He has not tuned it that good. Flsun SR is awesome, so the v400 should be just as good
100%
you can print the walls slower though
Then you clearly know very little about 3d printing.
You obviously have to tune it
Remember, when you print faster, the layers dont have enough time to bond as well. While yes, you are printing faster, you are sacrificing strength. It's not slow, it's just how slow it has to be to get good layer adhesion
A way you get around this is to 3d print at higher temperatures. Printers can print faster when they have better cooling, so to allow the layers to adhere better with the stronger cooling solution, you print the plastic hotter. I print PLA at 230 at high speeds. Not only does it give me comparable strength, but it makes it easier on the extruder and the enhanced cooling doesn't lead to a loss in quality due to higher temp printing.
This.
Not true, polymer sets almost instantly. If anything, you'd like the previous layer to still have some heat in it for optimal strength.
I do large-scale development, and I have analysed the entire process under thermal cameras.
The problem is that printing doesn't scale as the square or cube, ex (double size) 2×scale = 8×vol (8x print time).
Perimeters have to go slow no matter the size same with top and bottom.
We’re just gonna ignore the massive layer shift on the 7 hour print. Okay.
Speed doesn’t always = quality 😂
🤔 isn’t it always the opposite
I think it actually tore open due to poor layer adhesion and warping. This is what happens if you just crank up the movement speed and cooling.
Of course we will, like in all paid promos 😊
its not the layer shift. its the file itself. if you print any benchy it has that little line right there and since its bigger, it shows more. the person who made it just messed up on that part.
@@miniegrolltest8170 I have seen and printed many a benchy at that size and bigger none have ever done that. It's a layer shift that cooled faster than the rest causing warping and separation.
Came for the cool 3D print stuff, stayed for the cute cat
cats > Dogs
@@maven9323 no, I really don’t think you should say different animals is better than others, it just causes conflicts.
@@wol_x are you saying we can’t have opinions
@@missilemadness6833 no but some people get offended if you say cats>dogs or dogs>cats
@@missilemadness6833 so keep your opinions for your self
If you only knew hot to optimize the slicing for a fast printer like this...
i know man.. i got a tevo tornado running LAPS around his V400
@@ItsBoyRed what do u do?
how do i optimize prints for speed?
@@liammartin8773 search for elli's guide, read it through
@@liammartin8773klipper software and firm ware I believe.
_bambu lab x1 carbon has entered the chat_
"7 hours for the huge one" *while there's a pretty gnarly delamination on it*
Same thought 😂
I think it might be 2 halves stick together because it was too big to print in one go lol the table on that thing isn't huge.
@@TomoHawKzZ it could definitely be, kinda hard to tell to be honest. I will say that as someone who works in 3D printing, it still does look like a delaminated layer, at least from this angle. Typically we call that a partial delamination because it would have recovered after that layer. You can also see some layer shifting in other parts of the boat model
@@hallokitty98 exactly, and also the infill structure is printed pretty poorly, it looks like he has to low temperature and printed in to high speed, the claims of high speed are claims for low Quality.
I personally dont like this kind of atidute
@@TomoHawKzZ But (If so) where is the purpose of printing a Benchmark if you cheat by printing it in two halfs and glue them together? In my opinion that whole video doesnt make sense
Just ignore the massive line shift in all of them and youre good i guess
@@ohiohouston3560 that'll polish right out 👌
Delta printers have those kind of problems. The accuracy will never be as good as with a "classic" fdm printer, because you have to calibrate in three axis, not in two
What tf is a line shift
Is it me, or has the purple one split?
Hmm, tell me you don't 3d print without telling me you don't 3d print lol. You can't eliminate that line, it's in all benchies, that's not a line shift.
The cat is the best part of the videos
Don't need a new delta printer to increase speed. Most printers are cable of this speed. Speed is determined by the quality and power of the hot end, which has a finite limit based.
Not really these days. Printing speed is tied to strength and rigidity of the frame. So yeah deltas are absolutely not the best when it comes to speed or even accuracy. They trade off a meager speed increase for substantially less geometrically accurate parts. Core XYs are the kings of both speed and accuracy.
Agreed, and the delta setup is anything but rigid and robust. I’ve worked with robotics using this setup and they are relatively weak and fragile compared to pretty much anything else.
Normal Printer:**prints in a normal way**
FLSUN:**Intense Jedi noises**
"It's... It's going 3x faster than the average 3D printer!" - Earth Federation Print Force.
*Chars gallant intensifies
now all we need is it in red
I thought that game died does it actually have a fandom still lmao
@@radical7628 bruh gundam is a multi million dollar franchise ain't no wayyy
HAHAHAHA
As someone with a 3d printer, I can confirm. To make the small cat that was already defaulted as a design on the printer, it took at least 5 hours.
For a small Mario coin the size of a dime, it took 18 minutes.
EDIT: I have an Ender v2 I believe
Nice me to. Just edited some firmware and i can print with polycarbonate and nylon :)
@MG Burrito yes, but I like printing with PLA. Also, I suck at adding stuff
@@BeanieBoos1O1 all I can say is get jyers firmware. Real easy to install and is worlds better than creality's pile of shit. Look up a vid of it it'll take you 15 minutes and will drastically change your printer. (If you don't have auto leveling get the base firmware. I.e. no 3x3 or 5x5)
Same
The Cat stl that comes with Ender printers is isnt optimized at all. You can easily print that without any infill at 90-110mm/s. If you keep printing at 50-60mm/s then no wonder why it took you 5 hours. 18 minutes for a coin the size of a dime? Bro, calibrate and tune your printer and slicer.
"And we got....."
*Cat kicks off the boats*
"....14.5 hours"
Makes me think of the 90's how document printers could take 15-30 minutes to print a color page with photos.
Now it'll take any printer a few seconds.
In some years, people will look back and say: "Did you know people used to need HOURS to 3d print?!"
No,no no. You’ve got it wrong, they won’t even have 3d printers. They will literally make something better.
@@thatonememerguy eventually, sure. But the next step is, most likely, speed.
@@GOLVEL nah they’ll just be able to 3D print with their eyes with some chip in their eyeball
@@Usotsukii. could imagine, however, that's why I wrote "in some years"... as in a few ones.
@@GOLVEL no it wont, the next step is repetability and "comercial" Printer wich you Can use with no knowledge in electronic, Or software, speed in itself is pointless if people need Hours to calibrate the thing, that where printer like Bambulab are a real leap forward.
Cat in the background :
yo what is this guy yapping about give me food dude
let’s all just ignore his cat vibing
Voron 0: Hold my bee.... sorry, already drank it.
My V0.1 : casually prints at 500mm/s 10k accel
@@eski5195 Ehh mm^3/s with a 0.6mm nozzle is a much more relevant metric than mm/s
@@NavinF yea speedsters need to know volumetric rates. It's getting to the point where the hotend is the bottleneck. I'm printing at ~25mm/s^3 though a 0.4mm CHT on a Dragon HF.
@@Apophis-en9pi must explain the existence Slice Magnum Plus I think it is that can take dual 50W heaters.
@@filanfyretracker 100w of heat is so much it's silly.
assuming a baseline thermal loss of 20 watts on a normal heater block
That leaves you with about 80 watts dedicated for melting the plastic.
That gives you about 4kg/hr.
Yes. 4KG.
(or about 1000mms^3 ... That's not a typo)
Cat: “4 hours or 40 hours, I’m knocking these ma f***in’ boats over asap”
The cat was chillin
this is really cool, also i love your cat!
"3d printing a 3d printer" thats a banger right there
Welcome to the concept of RapRep
everyone thinks they being clever with that statement not realizing that 3D printing a 3D printer is what popularized 3D printing a decade ago. (called project RepRap)
What's next, automotives being used to ship parts around to build more automotives? Crazy world!
14 hours with a big huge ring in it!! I’ll keep my printer that prints well thank you
That's a problem with calibration or just trying to push it as fast as it can go.
Bambu X1C smokes everything out there on speed, quality and tech
@@braunsch4901 Tech, yes. Speed, no.... Quality? As far as quality goes, plenty of printers can high quality when they are properly calibrated.
You can crank up a normal 3d printer quite a bit as well, you can cut the printing time in half with some different slicing and printer settings most of the times (with a slight loss in quality).
I just increased the print speed, along with several other settings. Cartesian printers can print much faster than the default out of box settings, especially if you have a good one
People might say 3D printing is slow, but it is usually still a lot faster (and cheaper) than ordering simple parts online. Even if you have to create the part yourself.
Like I just used mine to make some Gopro mounts, takes about 20-40 min to make a mount depending on size. And you can just let it run over night while you are asleep.
I like to design my own parts for various things. Of course if it's a common thing like gopro mounts then there's likely someone already made one in which case I'd just download and print. Or modify
You realize filament is $10 for a roll that can print dozens of prints, right? And most take less than 5 hours
@@KingRootBeer I don't get your point, I didn't say it was bad. I guess the plastic is about $20 per kg, which is rather expensive compared to other production processes but the manufacturing cost is a lot less (just the machine, power and some maintenance. No expensive molds).
So you get most parts a lot cheaper and faster than ordering stuff online.
But only to a certain degree. Like you wouldn't want to print anything too large, otherwise the plastic cost will quickly add up. (You wouldn't print an entire plastic chair to save cost)
I've been using a 3D printer almost daily for over 10 years and for me it saved a lot of money and time. (But I'm an engineer so it might be a bad example)
@@ugandanknuckles3429 You realize plastic molds can cost thousands right?
I just love the cat chilling on the back like when you finna feed bruh
That cat transition was cool
My normal printer running klipper is somewhere in between those two examples. It makes a huge difference depending on the actual object.
40 hours?? It really isn't THAT slow
But he said to print all of them, looks like you got confused like me....
Maybe not quite 40 hours, but at least 24 hours.
it absolutely is, 3d printing is a hobby of patience
@@paulyd4978 Despite that, I still wish to save up for a 3D printer one day. But that might be in a couple of months or years...
@@paulyd4978 it could take that long but you would have no benefit. My cheap printer could print equal or better quality benchies in less time by just tweaking the settings to optimize print time and quality.
@@imnotbeluga007 that’s not slow
What he didn't mention was it also depends on printer settings too
But how smooth do the ones from the fast printer turn out compared to your normal one?
the cat just vibin
What’s the print quality of the FL compared to the slow one
I guess pretty bad, you can't increase filament max speed by buying faster printer
Shhh, that would be against the sponsor's wishes on this brand deal.
The quality on the v400 is fantastic. Quality suffers on every printer when you're pushing it to its maximum speed.
Ooh you have good content!! U earned a new sub 👍
3D printing isn't slow, cheap 3d printers are.
Speed and quality can walk together as long as you have a decent printer.
The printer used for this video cannot be used as reference for both. I've a Voron and building another one, you can have both high speed AND high quality prints.
What 3D printer would you recommend?
For cheap there's Ender 3 (not pro and surely not v2) - a bit more work with calibration and upgrades (need to change for direct and connect linear advance). For a bit more, but significantly better and no upgrades - Neptun 3 Pro (best for the buck so far). Delta printers are worst in quality/performance.
3 times faster at only 900 times the price?
I’ll take it!
Given that my benchy on my ender 3 (about the same size as orange, maybe a little less) on the normal detail level only took 15 minutes, I can confidently say that I have no idea how to scale that time frame to the various sizes
I saw the FLVSUN at a con and the gut seated next to it didn't wanna move till he saw the finished product, I hope he got to see the finished product
that print quality is why i bought a prusa a couple years ago. my buddy just got the bamboo carbon and its pretty insane
**in walks Bambu Lab:
“Cute”
Might never buy a different brand after buying X1C, thing is elite in every way
OK stop...these $1000 (or 1500 if you get the mmu unit) seem too good to be true but I want one so bad...
Me having a lot of 3D printing experience: it’s prob a trick question and it’s 4 hours
Reality: it took 40 hours as usual
The trick question is for the people who have little to no 3D printing experience. You just played yourself.
The delta kinematics is not what makes it faster. For example, CoreXY/Hbot or even well tuned Cartesian can go the same speed or even faster.
This is just false. CoreXYs can be considered as fast as deltas, but no amount of tuning can make cartesian faster than a coreXY or delta.
Wow! That’s fast.
I can literally see the lines and scratches on faster printed boats 💀
Does the quality decrease with the increased speed?
I said 2 days before you listed the options
I guess I have a knack for guessing print times
resin printer superiority literally the best quality
Me: let’s do some math then: 5sc+ 1h = 1.2h
Him: let’s do some math 5ec + 1h + 1.2h = 4.2h
I used to run my i3 mega at 400% speed. Had to sit and watch almost every moment of the print but god was it fast.
Start praying to god, because this man is satan.
Why not pick a 0.6 nozzle and print at 0.3 layer height or get 0.4 nozzle with 0.6 line width and 0.2-0.3 layer height? For my 10h print it makes it a 4.5h print and with all metal hotend and retarded high print speed and temperature a 2h print :D
@@WiewiurTV what's the setting for cura? Will need to mess around a bit
@@SahilP2648 You need to physically buy a 0.6 nozzle as the diameter of the nozzle usually is either 0.4mm or 0.3mm in very very old printers.
Appreciate the cat transition
I’ve worked with robotics with this setup and they can be fickle and delicate. I’d be curious to see how the arms are actually mated to the print head, because if it’s a ball socket to allow the amount of articulation needed for this, I’m willing to bet that is the weak spot. Once they start to wear, just the movement alone can be enough to pop them loose.
Respect for the cat being in every video vibing
Bambu X1 Carbon be like, “Hold my extruder…”
Nice stringing. Quality over Quantity.
From what I calculated it took 870 mins
Y do I want one of these now
The fact that the last ship didn't take 8 hours hurt my OCD
this is very nice for quick prototyping I recon
So it's like downloading a album from the internet in the mid to late 1990s
The cat is so helpful
Wow!
Flvsun looks good on everything but the smallest one
I printed a 2 foot bong yesterday, with 100% in fill, a pretty big one with q built in bulb and bowl. Took 4 hours. Not sure why but my printer goes pretty fast. I can speee it up a lot too. The lines are supwr nice too.
If you use a resin printer instead of a plastic one you can print multiple boats at the same time and it’ll take a massively smaller amount of time
I’m guessing the cat is also 3d printed
Also, 200% scale is 8 times the volume. Depending on slicer settings, it's usually 8 times longer print time too. And a CoreXY machine is a great upgrade to print speed and quality aswell, since there is less moving mass. I designed and built my own CoreXY machine, and it is soooo much more capable than cartiesian. I feel like I'm maxed out on speed with a .8mm nozzle
Of course it’s so fast, it’s the 400th version!
What is the music, it soud reallt good. Btw, your videos are very cool, i love your cat too:)
*laughs in bambu lab x1c that darts fast enough it shakes like an abused dog with Parkinson’s disease*
My friend trying to finish a homework while the teacher is collecting:
Me: broo chilll!!
“Add them up and we got”
Me: brain damage
Edit: thanks for 32 likes
Voron print that in 4 minutes, just check it out lol
Even an Ender 3 could print at that speed with that quality
That's a sweet movement
I was just watching the cat in the background
Nice huge one crack😅 what we can dooo??😭
Wobble wobble wobble :D no stiffness at all xD
the cat touching the 3d printer 😂
The waffle house has found it's new host
The Waffle House has found its new host
The Waffle House has found its new host
The waffle house has found its new host
The Waffle House has found its new host
The waffle house has found its new host
But what about the surface quality? Does speed have an impact on surface quality with this printer?
yes faster is always a bit lower quality usually
The issue isn't kinematics, it's flow rate and cooling that's holding 3d printing back. We need to look into woodmetal. It melts at 70c and hardens immediately.
Damn that’s fast
So, when do we get a 3d prrintet that splits the print in 4 parts and uses 4 nozzles to each do one fourth of the print
I have a 3D printer and I just print the longer prints over night lol
That’s why resin printers are so good they just need to be a little bigger
Without context
"0.5 hours for the little one
1h for the small one
2h for the middle one
4h for the big one
7h for the biggest one"
Bro the cat at back though how long did it take to print that ?
I mean, yeah, if it's three times as fast, it just makes sense that it only takes a third of the time it took before.
How long did it take to print the cat?
I got Bambu lab x1c it took like 15 mins. If I use 0.8 mm nozzle it prints even faster.
Garroth attracted the lady with his awesome moves