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Dalek Jast: the Cult of Skaro's neglected Dalek
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 มิ.ย. 2023
- Dalek Jast, one of the four members of the legendary Cult of Skaro, definitely gets the short end of the stick when it comes to screen time. But why is that?
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I agree with the majority of the comments: Jast was probably a more scientific Dalek since he notices tiny details - the Doctor in the background - and as mentioned was the one who injected Sec with the syringe.
He also doesn't fire his gunstick in the battle between the Human-Daleks and leaves most of the killing to Thay, a proven warrior unit, hinting that Jast probably didn't see much action - or was too busy processing wtf just happened!
something else to back up the idea Jast is the cult scientist - he’s the one who gives constant updates on the Genesis Ark during Doomsday
I personally believe that Dalek Jast should have been used more or at least had more lines because (like you mentioned in the video) the other cult members had done something significant, and then you have Jast on the sidelines just going along with what the others were doing.
I feel like Jast could like invent weapons or somthing. Or like a scientist.
Exactly! I really think Dalek Jast should have had a bigger role.
@@messytexy Did... did you just reply to yourself...?
What a sad git...
@@404TVfr yeah 😂😂😂😂😂
He builds machines that build machines. :P
I like to imagine each one in the cult has a distinct role.
Sec is the leader.
Caan is the infiltrator. He's the one they send to manipulate aliens to be become their paws.
Thay is the soldier. They send him to scout whatever area they've arrived in.
Jast is the reserve. Quetly assisting the others, like Sec in his experiment or later helping Caan in attacking after Thay was crippled.
I think Jast is neglected because, like Caan and Thay, you can't tell them apart aside from their voices. It would have been neat for those three to have features/colors that differentiated them from other Daleks. Otherwise, they just seem like important Daleks because we're told they're important Daleks, (show, don't tell.)
It would also make sense storywise... Guard Daleks get unique color schemes, but not a unit "Above the Emperor himself?" Seems unlikely...
Plus, they’re supposed the be more individualistic than the average Dalek anyhow. I find it doubtful that they wouldn’t think about personalizing their casings
Obviously the IRL reason is that the BBC was already pushing the budget with one newly painted dalek.
I feel like the cult should have had color schemes that match previous generations, even with the modern casings, similar to how Sec is black because classic Daleks were usually led by a Black Dalek commander.
@@JakeSnake07 I don't think budget was a factor to be honest, I think they just didn't consider giving any of the others a unique colour scheme. Originally the only reason why Sec had a black casing was because he was the leader, the more refined differences in the personalities of the Cult didn't really come into play until Daleks in Manhattan / Evolution of the Daleks (thank Helen Raynor for that) by which time the colour schemes had already been established
I feel like Jast is the scientist among the cult. As you stated he’s the one who administers the solution to Dalek sec. And he notices details about Dalek secs transformation. He’s also the one with the weakest personality out of the three. Jast is the diehard Dalek at its core. He follows the Dalek cause literally till his death. He sounds excited by the thrill of war and sounds like an errand child screaming whenever someone insults the thing he loves. Xx
The reason why we barely see Dalek Jast do anything is that his actual job among the Cult of Skaro is accounting
Jast also issues the command to adapt to the modified Preacher energy weapons when the Cybermen ambush the Cult in Doomsday. So, I feel Jast was definitely more of the scientific mind than that of a soldier.
They need them to return man!! Best daleks ever! But even though he's useless you gotta love our boy jast❤
I remember Battles in Time cards! The Dalek Wars splash double pages are a core memory for me! What a time to be alive
It's strange that Jast seems the most scientific onscreen, when Thay is the member who canonically ran a research station, while Jast was in the Outer Rim Defensive Battalion. I wouldn't mind if a future story retconned/swapped their backstories.
I feel Jast was the scientist of the cult, which would make sense since he used the syringe attachment and he oversaw the status of the Genesis Ark and kept the other cult members updated on it. Jast was seemingly the one that stayed back at the lab with Sec when Thay and Caan went out with the pig slaves. Also, at 1:58 I seem to recall a previous comment on another video where you agreed it’d make sense that Thay died first in the battle, how come you changed your mind that one?
As far as I'm aware it's actually Dalek Thay who stays behind in the lab with Sec, I'm pretty sure you can see his damaged back panels in the wide shot when Dalek Sec says "commence the attack" - the assumption is that Thay is unable to fly due to the damage to his casing
And to answer your question about the order in which they die, I watched the scene back in extreme slow motion and it confirms without a doubt that Jast is the first to die. Even if one ignores the identification marks on their domes (which should be the case anyway, as they're completely useless for identifying which Dalek is which in Series 3 due to various continuity errors) the positioning of the props and the angle of the camera proves that Jast dies first, followed by Thay.
I’m talking about more in Daleks in Manhattan when Daleks Caan and Thay go out to round up more humans to be converted into pig slaves or to be used in the Final experiment and also when they chase the Doctor and Co out of the lab, Jast stays behind on both of those occasions.
Also when talking about the order they died in, on the clip at 2:01 you can see most of the firepower is being concentrated on Thay. I always assumed Thay exploded first due to the Dalek having a deeper voice before destruction and the second to die had a higher pitched one, and the odds of Thay dying before Jast seemed pretty high due to his already damaged casing.
Idk, I’ve never been able to understand personally how Jast died first, but then again the camera angles and continuity don’t help when trying to identify the two daleks. My brother actually pointed out to me that Jast was killed first and I never believed him.
@@supergeorge8603 Ah I see, yes you're right about it being Jast who stays behind in those situations, though it's frustratingly difficult to tell because the episode is riddled with continuity errors regarding the props - the ID tags are never right, and for some scenes Dalek Thay still has his back panels because they filmed certain scenes before making the modification (the most obvious example being when Caan and Thay conspire against Sec in the sewer)
It's obvious that the production team didn't really give much thought as to which Dalek was which during filming, you're right to say it doesn't make much sense for Jast to die first (I would personally much prefer it if Thay died first, that would have been a nice detail since he was damaged) but from what we seen on-screen it's pretty clear Jast dies first. If I ever get to write the official novelisation of DiM/EotD then I'll be sure to include that Thay dies first, followed by Jast
@@dalekbumps I love Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks and at some point with enough resources and when I get enough time, I’d love to recreate the Battle scene from EotD in stop motion, I’d even buy a damaged Dalek figure that I can cut the top off and remove the appendages to simulate the Daleks exploding and I too would have Thay die first. DiM and EotD is such an underrated two-parter, I absolutely love it, mainly because of how the Cult of Skaro themselves are portrayed.
Jast, the Dalek equivalent of Ringo
Man, DiM/EotD is my favorite Dalek story ever. It is just so odd. The pig slaves remind me of ogrons or robomen, and almost everything about the story is an homage to Evil of the Daleks (Making new daleks that think and feel, a rebellion due to the Doctor's interference, etc.). It just feels like a love letter to classic Dalek stories. And all the excellent commentary from the daleks about the human race that is so chilling. Add in a showgirl number, and a dalek human hybrid, perfection!
Jast In Pieces!
I've always loved jast's voice, he's somehow so lovable
Jast and Caan were pretty much equals until Caan performed the temporal shift to Series 4. Thay was more memorable of the three bronze Daleks in the cult for the initial contact with the two Cybermen at Torchwood and using the Dalekanium panels on the Empire State building as well as give him a unique action figure. Sec is memorable because he's the black Dalek, and goes through the hybridisation process.
The Cult of Skaro is something I wish Big Finish would take advantage of
same. I'd love it if they released a Cult of Skaro prequel box set as a spinoff of their Eighth Doctor: Time War audios
I feel like a big issue with the cult of skaro in general is 3 of the members look nearly identical. People only really remember sek and caan since they had a lot of story focus.
I feel like it would have been really neat if all of the cult had some black parts on em. Sek being all black as the leader, caan maybe having the 2nd most amount of black as the 2nd in command, and then jast and thay have either a black midsection or dome. Just something to make them immediately visually distinct
Interestingly, Jast's death happens before the universe got rebooted during Eleven's tenure, allowing an excuse to bring him back later without it being a prequel.
We need a spin off series focusing on the cult during the time war up til they leave in the void ship.
As others have said, I feel jast was more a scientist as the expanded media birth of a legend shows him as being in command of a defensive unit, so definitely not a full warrior, also ties into him not really firing at the daleks humans or the cybermen. Even the story tied to them birth of a legend, jast had the least backstory. I would like to have seen more, as he seemed more on the ball than thay or caan
This is more just because of who Jast is as a person. They're reserved, they don't speak unless they have something important to say. They don't really care about getting credit or glory, they just want to do their job.
Cant deny Jast was a great colleague. Dispite being quite quiet, which id chalk down to being a little shy, Jast was a true Dalek through and through. I also had an attachment to Jast which most would consider un-Dalek-like but we worked well together
I feel like Dalek Jast and Dalek Thay were both just kinda there, the least recognisable of the Daleks. Thay only really had that damaged backplate going on.
Thay was the first one to have his name revealed, he was the one who encountered the Cybermen, and he was the one who spoke out against Sec's hybridisation and later ends up being the one who kills Sec. Compared to Jast, Thay gets disproportionately more to do
Jast dies after thay. Listen to the voices in the battle. The last "exterminate" is high pitched.
Just is the middle child of the cult
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I think it was Jast's job to buy all the red boiler suits for the pig slaves.
Jast at the least has the coolest name! Way cooler than *rabe* blegh.
It would be interesting to see the formation of the Cult of Skaro
_Birth of a Legend,_ a short story included in _Doctor Who Files 11: The Cult of Skaro,_ tells that story.
Lets be honest. He's definitely the Private out of the Penguins in the Cult of Skaro
I wonder why they ditched the name Rabe. Mabe they thought it sounded to similar to Thay.
Or a certain crime.
consider what the word would sound like when spoken through a voice modulator with Nick Briggs' Dalek voice
What I find interesting about his original name of Rabe is its connection to the original inspiration for the Daleks - the Nazis.
John Rabe was a German businessman and a Deputy Group Leader of the Nazi Party who is best known for - ironically - helping to save the lives of around 250,000 Chinese people during the Rape of Nanjing, which was committed by the Japanese Army in December 1937 and January 1938.
What does this have to do with Jast? No idea, but I feel like it’s not a coincidence that a Nazi squid alien was almost named after a famous Nazi.
(Although my biggest question is whether or not John Rabe would have been willing to save the lives of 250,000 *Jewish* people as well…)
Make Dalek Jast a villain in his own right. He could form his own army of mercenaries or make his own religion.
And Jast has a quiet conversation with Dalek Caan in the sewers, about having doubts. Planting the seeds for their eventual mutiny.
According to the script, that's Dalek Thay, though he doesn't have the missing back panels because that scene was filmed before the prop was modified
Where’s your Q&A I can’t find it could you send me a link
Also I don’t know if I commented this in the community post about the Q&Zahn (honestly I don’t remember what my comment was) but I’ve said it before and I don’t want to be that who pesters by bringing it up again and again, but since I’ve only said it once, and you asked us if there’s any Daleks we want you to do a video on, I would really like a video on the Dalek God Emperor, including a section of the video that lists which stories this particular Dalek Emperor is in, as I tried to find out online because he’s my favourite Dalek, but the wiki pages all have list of appearances for the Dalek Emperor as a single entity so other than my time war audio dramas, and the Eccleston episode, I don’t know which stories the God Emperor is in, such as comics, novels, other audio dramas, etc.
The Q&A will probably take a little while to make, I'm actually considering making multiple small videos as if I tried to answer everyone's questions in one video it would likely take quite a while to make - the next three videos are my top 5 Dalek scenes from each New Who era, and I'll do the Q&A videos after that. Might even make them shorts, idk yet.
And I do plan to make a video on the God-Emperor, I've got some other projects in the pipeline related to the old comics lore but I'll focus on early New Who lore after that
@@dalekbumps I love it I’m so happy to hear you already plan on making a video on the God Emperor that is music to my ears
who are we talking about again lol just joking
Here's a real question.Do you think the paradigm from victory was supposed to be the new cult of scaro but because everyone made fun of it it fell off
Funnily enough in Daleks in Manhattan Caan and Jasts voices are swapped from their Doomsday appearance. Caan is the one who joins Thay when Sec attempts to hybridise and has the high pitched voice the whole story. Jast is the one who speaks to Mr Diagoras, plots against Sec initially in the sewers, scans the prisoners minds for intelligence and attempts to kill the Doctor in Hooverville.
Caan has a deep voice in Daleks in Manhattan until the moment he takes over from Sec, at which point he gains the same voice that Dalek Sec had. Jast keeps his high-pitched voice for the whole episode, you can hear him talking alongside Thay in the theatre scene
Caan is the Cult's liason with Diagoras, and it's Thay and Jast who try to stop Sec from hybridising, Caan stays quiet. He briefly takes command while Sec is hybridising, and gives a speech to Martha before Sec emerges. Caan and Jast attack Hooverville, but Caan does all the talking
@@dalekbumps actually he speaks first where he keeps his deep voice. The voices in this story are all kinds of screwed up. They change pitch. But Jast and Caans voices from the beginning are swapped from their doomsday appearance. And even in that theatre scene Thay and Jast change voices between eachother. Jast has the deep voice whilst carrying Sec but then suddenly he has a high voice right before shooting sec by accident. It also doesn’t help that the actual props change between shots so the id badges on the domes that were quite consistent in Doomsday to signify which Dalek is which changes within single shots so it’s actually impossible to tell which is which. For example for almost every shot involving the Dalek upstairs in the empire state with Diagoras keeps the same insignia the one that signifies Dalek Thay but he’s downstairs with Sec and Caan.
@@dalekemperor1984 The props themselves are often mixed up so the ID tags are useless for identifying them but the voices are consistent. Low pitched is Caan, high pitched is Jast, medium-low croaky voice is Thay. Jast and Thay don't swap voices, it's Thay that kills Sec, not Jast. The only time in the story that one of the Dalek voices changes is when Caan becomes the leader and takes Sec's voice, Nick Briggs did that deliberately because Caan's deep voice hurt his throat
@@dalekemperor1984Thay talks first, saying "Halt! This action contradicts the Dalek imperative!" and Jast follows by saying "Daleks are Supreme, humans are weak". We know its Thay and not Caan because he has the missing back panels, and Sec calls him Dalek Thay by name. Caan doesn't say anything. Thay's voice is quite deep but Caan's is much deeper, and Thay has a croak that Caan doesn't have. Caan is the one who talks to Diagoras in his office, and he's the one who gives the "Children of skaro must walk again" speech before Sec emerges
I'd have preferred either Thay or Jast surviving over Caan as I hate Caan for some reason lol
I dunno why, but thay and Jast seemed cooler to me than Caan too, pfft
I think it works since Caan leads the resistance against Sec. Thematically, it seems right for him to survive for his "purity" alone and end up as the last Dalek in the universe.
Alright now this feels targeted
poor jast can't catch a break