Teaching a Dremel Tool to Helicopter
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Remember that scene in Apollo 13 where the old lady says "...if they could get a washing machine to fly, my Jimmy could land it." I think Peter is the guy who could get a washing machine to fly.
Now Peter must make a plane with a washing machine motor!
There's your answer. He needs to build it like the lunar lander.
Stop trying to make it look like a helicopter and make four large panel legs with the propeller on top.
You'll have no directional control but it won't try to tilt Because every time it does the downwash would straighten it back out
Only if you can the air filter tubes shaped like this ⭕ into the air scrubber intake shaped like this 🔲 using only these items 🖋📎✂️📏🩹🩲🔨
@@rocketboysmc Was gonna suggest a backpack-mounted, Dremel-tool-powered, single-occupancy Santa's helicopter sled in preparation for XMas, 2023 but I like your idea lots better! lol!
fairchild republic already did that
Steve's pre-flight is to whisper "good luck" to the Dremel
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The reply is, "Bzzzt! I'm Not Doing This! I belong on a Bench! Didn't you read my Manual?" "1: Do not expose to excess moisture. 2: Do not allow high impact to casing. 3: Do not make a helicopter out of your Dremel." It's all right there. 😉
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHhha
Hhahhahahhaha
I can't help but think that an enclosed fuselage/gear box would have reduced the crazy amount of vibration that thing had since the very get go
Yeah i thought the vibrations in the gears was gonna be the first thing addressed
all they needed to do was add a rigid bar and another two bearings above the gears. Would have prevented the flex and therefore reduced the gear slippage
@@littlesnowflakepunk855 THIS. I’ve thought about this the whole video. The freaking gears.
I don't know what was driving me more nuts, the vibration gearing, or the fact that he had the tail rotor propelling directly into his vertical fin. Then he upgraded the power of the tail rotor because it wasn't strong enough. But hey, he kept at it.
@@paulybeefs8588 Holy crap, I didnt even notice that until you pointed it out
I'm always astonished by the amount of patience you have, when things fall apart.
Peter ever since your bro started working with you every video is just a gigglefest between the two of you. It's wholesome as fuck and I'm happy for you guys.
Here for it
Love it, looks like just too much fun!
The Sripol-ness is magnified. Nobody knows you, thinks like you and giggles like you than a sibling.
I bet behind the scenes they are fighting like brothers
@@acmelka yep
The amount of times this was rebuilt is impressive
Iterative design babyyy
@@mrfashionguy1 No, interactive design 🙃😄
failing the design 300 times is not a merit either..
yeah they're going for a helicopter and the blades are at full speed
Dremel of Theseus
Can't believe the determination and positivity you guys have. I probably would've quit a long time before you even finished. Another great vid as always!
Peter, love these crazy inventions! Not sure if you already know but I'd figure to mention that generally in flight testing, we usually do a "tether hover" during R&D to verify flight characteristics and stability so we don't destroy so many parts :) Makes for good video though!
that gyro controlled stabilizer might have actually been a good investment lol
What is it going to control? There is no swash nor servos for stability for it to control. Don't need a flybar if using gyros on controls, that's what flybar does. The tail obviously needs better setup.
Or just use a multirotor FC and load it with Rotorflight (helicopter specific fork of Betaflight)
@@atomicskull6405 and what will it do? There is no swash to control
@@raptorheli2 The tail rotor genius. Do you really need it spelled out?
@@motosk8er2 if you think a gyro on the tail will fix this then perhaps I am the genius of this duo.....no need to be rude.
Massively impressed that you kept rebuilding it and not giving up.
Cue 6 Million Dollar Man theme
Never ever give up
Out of the mini years that I’ve watched you I’ve never seen you fail I’m just so pleased to see that you weren’t sitting in this one but you did succeed proud of you as always I’m just a 70 year old man that started Darcy when they were single channel escapement
Seems like a flying mower is a must and I feel it needs to still mow to be a total success.
I’m no expert, but I feel like improving the gear box would help both power and stability.
Yes, it starts the initial imbalance.
This video demonstrates how hard it is to make or something new. How much patience you need. Count the no. of failures and then succeed
Hat's off to you guys
Love your videos.
Very cool to see a [cordless rotary tool] fly! The final iterations actually sounded like a real full size copter once you got it stable
This is absolutely insane bro, some of your best work ever! Never would have thought making a dremel fly would be this challenging
dual bearing on the input and output shaft for the main rotor, the extra rigidity on those stops gear mesh issues / reduces vibration etc , also make a guard for the spur gear, ask me how i know :) loved this project so so much, brilliant stuff chaps as always
Yeah, I respect the creativity and perseverence, but expecting something with so much vibrations to fly, is like asking for a miracle.
@@rc-fannl7364 This is how smart peter is he knows where he can cut corners but, having done similar stuff getting the spinning assembly parts balanced, just makes everything so much easier, rear rotor authority kicks in earlier as well once the vibration is under control.
Yeah I was so surprised that they didn't support the shaft with a second bearing above. It was the main reason for all the vibration and skips
He's fighting weight this whole build too though bearings are heavy
I came here to make this same comment, but I’m five months too late sooo .. cheers! 🤣
I think adding another bearing and supporting both sides of the gear would have helped. I think I heard a lot of time where the teeth would separate and the gears would skip.
A planetary gear is slmost infinitely better, especially when you have a 3d printer.
So much lost power for the main rotor due to poor driveline engagement. Wasn't the motor's fault. Peter may have given it 110% given all constraints, but 10% more would have had this thing as a complete success.
true that i was thinking it was amazing it sustained flight with basically a slipping clutch
This video made me realize that helicopters are just constantly fighting physics to try not to destroy themselves 😯
Your editing and production have come a long way friend. Do t see many of your videos, but when I do, they always seem bounds above the former. Congratulations man!
Serious Question, Peter - did you consider a planetary-gear for main rotor? Seems like it would have two advantages: less flex and weight of tool directly under rotor. Very curious... Thanks!!
Possible torque loss but that could work
That would be way better, for sure.
That and gyro control would be a winning combo.
They can create heat when not lubricated simple is better for dry gears
Isn't it best to have some weight out in front of the rotor shaft in order to counterbalance the weight of the boom and tail?
(Just spitballing here.)
I'm going to hold my breath until you build an
ornithopter out of an electric toothbrush. Go!
R.I.P Scott Dunbar
It’s been 3 weeks. You good man?
I would like to see this Dremel revisited as a Gyrocopter and the Dremel being used as the forward propulsion. Then you will have a dihedral to keep it balanced plus rudder authority via the tail planes and still retain a rotor and blades as your lift. Looked fun!
The sheer effort of this project deserves 10 million views. That was some serious dedication!
I died when the propeller came loose and flew up! 🤣
The TH-camr, "Night Flyer" was part of the development team that made the Kyosho tail rotorless RC helicopters sold by Tower Hobbies in the late 1980's early 1990's. I believe if you contact him and get some of his data, you might be more successful without a tail rotor, and only throttle for up-down and regular rudder for directional control.
He used a big paper plate as a replacement for a tail rotor, works great! You just get no rudder control lol. But you can still Change heading.
The helicopter must always be in forward flight for this to work.
The Kyosho HyperFly! My friend had one. It had a no throttle, just a switch on the helicopter that got turned off when the helicopter touched the ground.
@@RolfRBakke Yes I mistakenly got a Hyperfly as my first RC aircraft.....biggest waste of money and a ton of frustration. It was like throwing a bowling ball and expecting it to fly.
@@PilotChris06FW
Our first flight went straight into the ground as well. We learned that we have to let it climb straight ahead, and turn right. Left turns made it dive. So it kind of worked. Not for the beginner tough...
Think about a pneumatic torque wrench powering a go-cart. The fun would be the air compressor needed to keep the torque wrench moving. If you wanted to scale up, there are torque wrenches in 1-1/2" and 2-1/2", if 1" is too small. Problem is scaling down as the CFM doesn't change that much.
Pressurized air on an experimental go-kart seems like a questionable idea
I love when you make these crazy videos. I hope that your next video will be even crazier.
for some reason, it really is funny every time that prop flies away without the dremel... lol
Absolutely love what 3D printing has become. Love my ender3 pro
Why didn't you try a brace between the drive shaft from the Dremel and the shaft the blades connect to to keep the gears from slipping? Lot more energy in a battery than the rubber bands.
Man, it's crazy to see how many times it crashes and you guys just say "oh no!" And laugh with big smiles. I would get disappointed on the first crash, sit down for like an hour looking at it, then give up lol. Amazing patience and amazing skills!
I don't know if there's a free plug-in to make them, but helical gears would give you much less noise. Involute gears are good for low speed high torque applications. Things I've learned from This Old Tony.
There are free plugins for fusion for helical gears. I'm not sure they would be a good fit for this application though, as they also create a side load, which would case the frame and gears to flex depending on how much torque is applied, possibly causing them to disengage in flight. By involute gears I'm assuming you mean straight cut gears? Involute gears can be straight or helical, and is the most common type in machinery today, and are suitable for all speed ranges.
Think that's the least of their problems 😂
SHOUT-OUT TOT
@@2testtest2 That's why double helical gears exist.
@@JurassicLemon
2x! Guy is a genius machinist. Love his channel.
I am so glad that you seem to like sharing the torture you go thru to make these projects! It makes for a hell of a good laugh! Thanks for another great video, Happy New Year!!
I love Sam but I truly love the family dynamics here! So “pure” … pure childish laughter!
I'm impressed how much patience you had to keep re-building this when it crashed and broke! I would have set it on fire after about the 3rd or 4th failure!
I think you were fixing and iterating far more than flying. In the end it flew! sorta. That was cool!
I made my own set of piccolo blades back in the early 2000s. I later made some collective pitch blades with symmetrical profile and just put a tapered shim under them to give a fixed "collective" like pitch and they flew extremely well. I dared not try them before static/dynamic balance which doesn't take long.
How do we get the Sripol guys to see this???
Proud to be part of the Scripol People!! Your videos never disappoint 🎉
the amount of patience this dude has is incredible! Bravo!
Wonder if mounting the motor horizontally and using a bevel gear would have changed the gyroscopic forces enough to give it more stability?
With the rotor, motor and gears all spinning on the same axis the gyroscopic forces were pretty huge. If the motor is mounted horizontally, then there would be gyroscopic forces on 3 axis. There also wouldn't be such a huge lever-arm hanging under the rotor, so the controls would be more responsive. Or maybe I'm missing something simple.
Then it wouldn't be a straight grinder anymore 😂
Peter: MAKING AN INDUSTRIAL TABLE SAW FLY!
yes!
ODS did the table saw go kart.
@@Flumphinator no way
@@Flumphinator that's awesome
I appreciate the dedication here, thanks for the awesome video Pete!
I absolutely love and respect what you do. I had such a great set of laughs at this, thank you. Peter can just spit on anything and it flys 😂
I would like to see an ongoing contest to see how fast you can get a propeller vehicle off the ground and up to a certain altitude, say 100 meters. Trying different vehicles you make to see which one can do it the fastest.
Great vid peter, very funny and amazing patience 😁
phrase of the day: GYROSCOPIC PROCESSION
you need to have a mechanical bias to the flybar that offsets it toward the direction of gravity or else the effects of gyroscopic procession will continue to crash it, thats why it slowly tilts more and more until it crashes every time. i would recommend having the flybar angled down away from the blade to give it leverage and make the tips atleast a quarter the weight of the blades to make it want to self level.
There was never a doubt you were going to make it fly. Congrats👍
If you trim it for forward flight the power and tail rotor effectiveness will not be an issue with the translational lift.. and it will be more stable.. don't try to hover
That's some out of the box thinking! Well done!
I love how at every step of the way this helicopter gets closer and closer to just being a bunch of soon-to-be shrapnel stuck together with hopes and dreams and strapped onto a grinder with no kill switch except the one located conveniently in reach of the high speed rotor blades
Stunning perseverance in the face of so much adversity. Good job!. I would have been tempted to tether the helicopter initially to save on the rebuilds.
Good job Peter! This is a video that I read the title, saw the thumbnail and said "YES!" out loud. Immediate watch for me (I'm only 0:03 in to the video and had to post this comment).
It's terrifying, if nothing else. The Dremel of Doom.
every helicopter has the same goal from the day it's built. Rapid and violent deconstruction. This was hysterical to watch.
Some things I noticed - a shorter screw in the gears could help remove the centrifugal imbalance which is impeding the gyroscopic stabilization you should be getting from the rotor mast, also adding a guide flange to both sides of your small 3D printed gear will help it maintain the interface with the larger gear and not allow it to have so much play in it. Beyond that - y'all are not only insanely clever, but also extremely good at making entertaining videos.
All OSHA safety standards were followed in the making of this video...lol
Happy new year Peter!
absolute insanity..
What a horrifically dangerously unpredictable and finicky machine.. I love it!
By the middle of the video I was fully resigned to assuming it would never fly. This would have been fine, because the laughs and goofy enjoyment was definately contagious... great video.
First time beeing here i am restoring an r22 beta. But damn me the drimmel helicopter? Thats crazy well done
My suggestion is still to make a food plane again. You could use the sugar paste you had and rice paper and have a really good plane.
Your tenacity is impressive.
Happy new year! And what a nice way to start the day in Norway!
Still 6h50m to go but happy new-year peter and family i wish u all the best for the new year 💓
Ah... the name. It's a FIAS helicopter.
@Don't Read My Profile Photo what year is this, 2008?
Yall are such dorks..... just like me! Loved this video! Keep up the awesome work you guys! I really jelly..... wish I could be doing fun dorky stuff like this! I'll live vicariously through you guys lol!
I love these experiments and some of the designs you create are awesome. Having all those tools to use is a massive advantage. I would like to see you design and build a single seater hovercraft using battery powered flymo lawnmowers. I think that would be a great project.
Really makes me appreciate my Mavic 3.
Your tenacity is to be commended on this one guys 👏
I'd love to see a multi-dremel airplane, like a twin-engine C-82/C-119 or a four-engine B-24/C-87. Blown away by how many iterations you went through for the helicopter. Great stuff!
I'm completely ignorant, but my instinct would be to try to get the dremel COG under the rotor axis using non-parallel pinion/gear axes.
How about a MK II version of this with a coax rotor system as this would eliminate the need for a tail rotor and use the Dremel's power to do flight?
This was awesome to watch. Knowing how long it takes just to make a new blade... I was kind of blown away by how much time went into this.
That being said, you guys need to cool your jets when it comes to testing and not test it in an enclosed room with random hazards and things to hit to just increase the damage and breakage of every failed flight. Imagine if the wright brothers tested flying their first aircraft in their living room.
I designed a belt drive EDF setup with a 33cc Ryobi engine in CAD. Bought parts to build it but never got around to it. I think it's a 5" EDF and I got 6-1 pulleys. Never got to building it but I still have the edf and pulleys. I now have a mill and lathe plus the Tig welder I needed then, but I build real car stuff now so who knows if I'll ever get time to mess with it again. I was planning on a f86 ish plane like 50-60" span. Love to see something crazy like that.
Given how difficult this project was, I’d like to see how easily he could make a Dremel powered airplane. I’m sure he’d have much more success
what the hell is a dremel all I see is a grinder
@@SuperPhunThyme9dremel is the brand name
@@SuperPhunThyme9like an iPad is a tablet but everyone calls it an iPad
flying without cyclical control would be impossible. Youll lose lift when it wobbles or picks up to much speed. You need counter rotating blade to have any chance of that.
If ya ever decide to do this again u have to support the rotor shaft at the top as its wobbling which is causin alot of the issues but also use some grease aswell
What persistence! Thank you.
“This is so much harder than it looks.”
No, it looks really hard.
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I always really enjoy your vids no matter what they are you always make them fun and interesting also educational.
This is awesome, you put a lot of work into it
The tail rotor fan blade should be longer for airflow.
The horizontal stabilizer is blocking the air flow for at least half of the tail rotor. A disappointingly obvious design flaw. (Compensated for by the entertainment of watching Peter and his wrecking crew operate.)
You should make kits for stuff like this and sell them.
Another great vid peter!
You are one dedicated man Peter!
You should orient the dremel parallel to the rotors to balance the mass. Also do a coaxial rotor system to prevent the counter rotation and do a magnetic clutch to power and vary the speed for a push rotor.
I think a lot of lost time and increasing frustration stems from mounting the center of mass pretty much in front of the whole apparatus.
You Guy's are KRAZZY!
But I am impressed..
Good Job!!
Great vid ,fun to watch every time.
Next what peter a hair trimmer helicopter or blender helicopter 😂😂
Just joking man i love your work 😘
A belt and pulleys would be much lighter and more efficient at transmitting power than plastic gears
I don’t know about lighter, because you add the belt. But it is a LOT more forgiving of slippage and sudden increases or decreases of motor RPM. I think they are inducing a whole lot of shock and vibration because the gear teeth will momentarily disengage when it flexes. A belt would soak up some of that difference in interface angle between the large and small pulleys. Also, when you take off, you really have to surge it to get it airborne. That is when the flex is worse and the gear slippage is the most detrimental.
@@hamhouke I think a belt would allow both pulleys to be a smaller diameter than gears for the same reduction, reducing width therefore weight, creating space between them allowing use of a smaller belt and reducing the weight of the support structure around it
@@wowonice1 Maybe, but that drive gear is pretty small already. If he made it smaller, that 22K RPM motor might burn though it due to the reduced surface area in contact with the belt. Of course, they could make the belt wider, but you would gain the weight right back. There might be enough torque with that motor to reduce the blade pulley diameter and get a bit more RPM to the rotors without bogging it down. Under load, the RPM of that motor is likely to be a lot less than 22K. I think that’s it rating if free spinning the spindle.
@@hamhouke Agreed. the only way to know for sure would be to try it, though either way with less energy being lost to friction and noise, weight reduction might not be as important anymore as more energy reaches the blades
Congratulations! I love the iterative design
This is oddly satisfying! Great job guys!
Your next project should be making a vtol with it. Duel dremel CV22 Osprey.
Dual*
Now build a helicopter powered Dremel
Isn’t that what he’s building?
@@Elizabeth-fd1vd no he was building a Dremel powered helicopter lol
Awesome perseverance Peter!
The flight @18:00 was pretty good, I would consider that a success.
Retrofit jobs are always cool, sometimes they slip in under budget, sometimes you realize how much r&d the OEM's spent.
How about a brushless motor, battery and a prop
In a tube and see how high it can go
That's essentially an airbreathing electric rocket.