It is, frankly, ridiculous that history repeats again and again, having the same man behind it, and yet western politics get surprised by it each time.
@@morisco56 That those politicans that now say "We're never talking to Putin again" and "We should've listened to Putin before" had done so decades ago rather than turning a blind eye to him invading Georgia, Chechenya, Moldavia.... The damage is done, theres not much they can do unless they fight fire with fire and a few thousand "volunteers" suddenly appear in Ukraine with top-tier military training. Not the foreign legion brigade thing, but a special operations team under false flags making life easier for the Ukrainians. .
Thats the attention span of modern society. You could say the Ukraine war is forgotten while still going on. Not as interesting as 2 goofballs suing each other for domestic abuse.
Russo-Georgian War = Europe's first war of the 21st century Russo-Ukrainian War = Europe's first war of the 2020s I'm beginning to notice a pattern here. Why is Russia so backward compared to the United States of America and Western Europe, bros?
Isn't it amazing how overthrowing the elected leaders of those former Soviet Republics (Rose Revolution, Euromaidan, etc...) and replacing them with US/EU puppets is promptly followed by those same countries suddenly wanting to join NATO.
Russia had given most "Ossetian" people passports so they could say "defending our people". They supplied all the munitions to Ossetia and egged on aggression against Georgia, and just happened to be doing "military exercises" just on the other side of the border, etc, etc. Exactly what they did in East Ukraine and are doing in Transnester Moldova. I don't think anyone is asking "who's fault was it".
Initially Russia was ready to give up Transnistria, Ossetia as they did with Crimea. But people of that region were against that. All that collapse of the USSR wasn't democratic at all - just some 3 drunkards decided to break away the Union. Transnistria was always populated by Russians and Ukrainians, they don't want to be in Moldova that would become Romania. Ossetians were never under Georgian rule and they have ethnic conflict. And Crimea was always Russian. So if you are protecting democracy then you should protect rights of Eastern Ukraine, South Ossetia and Transnistria. Otherwise you are just another totalitarian drunkard.
@@tempest8870 So what? Ossetians had never recognised Georgian rule over their country. Georgians were not able to force Ossetians to obey them. Georgia claimed that Osettia was their territory but in fact Osettia was fully autonomous. Georgians should abandon their nationalism and face reality.
@@Worselol lol, complete BS, south ossetia was created by the soviets in april 1922, and ossetians were minority in their "own" capital of tskhinvali, ossetia never existed in georgia it was artificially created, they settled in that part of georgia starting from 17th century due to pressure from their neighboors.
@@bago129 Ossetians have always lived in Ossetia, pls stop talking nonsense. South Ossetia was created by Ossetians to separate themself from separatists of Georgia. Soviet Union gave South Ossetia to Georgia for joining USSR. When USSR collapsed there was no more reason for South Ossetia to stay with Georgia.
@@Worselol stop being ignorant and give me one document or source that mentions south ossetia before 1922, iam waiting. or show me one historical monument in "south ossetia" that is actually ossetian, it is literally full of georgian churches from medieval with old georgian writings on it, and zero ossetian, because they showed up much later and only lived in very rural areas. just do some research you look stupid
Thanks brother for sharing our story, and thanks to all the Eastern European fellows for supporting us that time (Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia)
Honestly the more I hear about Russia the more I think an accidental bombing of some Russian cities wouldn't be a bad thing. Ya know good for the goose good for the gander and all that?
I’m sitting hear listening to this video and repeating saying to myself: “This sounds like Ukraine.” I mean besides a couple of difference, what happened to Georgia sounds nearly identical to Ukraine and yet before the Invasion of Ukraine nobody thought to look look back at the Invasion of Georgia as reference? Like come on.
It is very frustrating knowing that and seeing people now spew Russian propaganda, like they never were around in the early 2000s, in the 1990s, or 2014?
Social media was not a thing when Georgia was invaded and EU was more like a rich fraternity club of corrupt leaders so no one cared. Wars are harder to go by unnoticed nowadays.
@@sse_weston4138 yep honestly at this point I know the Russians aren't guilty for Putin's crimes but they've never stopped him either so if some bombs were to drop on top of Russians cities I wouldnt be upset. It just seems fair
Nah, everyone knew about invasion on highest level at least a week before. They didn't announce it to don't cause panic and to have open roads (without thousands of civilian venicles) to relocate supplies and military forces closer to the border with belarus (logistics system for donbass was established for a long time since 2014)
@@michaelf.2449 It's not that Russians have not tried. It's just that any kind of dissent would find you in prison like his opposition leader who just received further multi-year sentencings. Or, if you were more disposable, you would "mysteriously" disappear or "accidentally" be found dead.
This is the only objective and competent review of the conflict I've seen on youtube. It's very close to what actually happened, especially events before aug.7
It is not. Sorry but my short summary is in fact the true reality of that conflict. Which of course is contrary to subsequent western narratives and MSM reporting.
According to Russia Georgia started the war on its own territory but Russia is carrying out a special military operation on the foreign land. This is a good example how Russian doublespeak works.
@@ЛехАскольдич Do you believe in that stupidity? Last December Hague International Court finally denied the accusation against Georgia starting the war in 2008. After the long and deep investigations Georgia has proven to be a real victim of the Kremlin imperialism.
@@filiushermesio yeah, pretty much. should i believe the decision of the hague international court? nah, i don't think so. especially when its made after ten months of unprecedented for twenty years war in europe, especially against the country that is considered to be on offense.
@@noth606 Just a suggestion: If you are really that concerned about this, I would suggest posting it as a separate comment, not a reply to one having nothing to do with it. The former is what a thinking person would do.
@@warographics643 you haven't mentioned the ethnic cleansing of georgians from south ossertia and Abkhazia whom amounted to 250k georgian civilians there also have been multiple cases of war crimes commited against georgians one of the most famouse was spotted in Abkhazia where a georgian solider was killed and than russian and separatist soliders played football with his head
It is also noteworthy how presidents Ukraine, Poland and the baltic states arrived in Tbilisi to stop Russian attack. Poland’s president said that today it was Georgia, but if they didn’t stop Russia then and there, the next would be Ukraine, then Baltics and finally Poland. The west ignored this. Even after 2014 French and Germans continued supplying Russians military equipment…
Poland did do nothing it was just more vocal about it. Yes they pleaded on Ukraine's behalf in 2014 but at the end of the day they still sent the same number of troops as France and Germany did. None.
@@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462 It’s not about sending troops. Nobody expected that from Poland or France. Maybe the US could do it. But that’s not the point. If Russia was hit with the scope of today’s sanctions in 2008, then their imperialistic dreams would be destroyed a decade ago.
@@Castiel667 The fact noone expected troops is why Putin thought he could get away with it. He doesn't care about sanctions. It's a sign of weakness to him. He cares about shows of strength. Look at Turkey. Erdoğan shot down a Russian Jet at the slightest of provocation and Putin retaliated by selling him an even better Air defence system. Cos he respects him now. That's Putin. It's not about geopolitical strategic interests it's just a pissing match.
@@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462 Lol no. After Turkey shot down their plane, Russia imposed Sanctions on Turkey (oh, the irony). They prohibited Russians to go to Turkey for vacations (and they are the largest share of Turkey’s tourism industry) and they also banned Turkish Agro-Product imports. This eventually led Erdogan to apologize and change his rhetoric. Sanctions work, but not when they are imposed in a half-hearted way like in 2014. It’s not about whether Putin cares or not. Sanctions will return Russia to 1990s. Let’s wait and see. Russia in 2008 was much easier to scare than it is today.
As a latch key kid from Florida I was in 3rd grade and turned on the tv when I got home to see the headline that Russian had invaded Georgia and started panicking and called my dad. That’s when I learned that Russia hadn’t invaded the US and were about to sack Atlanta
I am sad to hear Slovakia mentioned in the list of countries that supported separatists' claims, ergo pro-russian stand. Prime minister in that period was the same guy that is now in opposition, criticizing current government for their support of Ukraine.. one Mr. Fico, remember this name.. kind of our own oligarch. I guess the leopard really doesn't change his spots.
You didn't mention that the Russians/Ossetians also took over areas of ethnic georgian territory and ethnicly cleansed them. Also before the 1991 war Georgians were the largest ethnic group in Abkhazia but the violent abkhaz minority stated massacring them and drove out many more.
@Haveon Gatey Putin isn’t from Georgia. Medvedev isn’t from Georgia. These were Russian and pro-Russian wars of aggression against Georgia. Plain and simple.
If the lessons of World War II was that you should never appease a strong nation that invades a weaker nation, when did Western leaders forget this lesson?
They did learn it the problem is Russia is a nuclear power So when they act aggressively there's not much direct force by means of combat the rest of the world can do Instead they have to resort to less effective means to get the Russians to back off, negotiations, economic sanctions, international isolation, and global condemnation
I guarantee you that if Russia wasn't a nuclear power and they tried this aggression there would be a NATO led coalition into Moscow by the end of the Month
The US learned that lesson in the Post WW2 world, which is why President Eisenhower changed US military doctrine to be proactive rather than reactive The US would topple dictatorships and authoritarian regimes throughout the world before they became a threat to the US and US interests
@@VideoMask93 remember: _Threaten US interests_ is the key phrase. If you're a dictator and you don't threaten the US or even better you ally with the US like saudi arabia then you are golden Morality doesn't exist in geopolitics
Ah, the now-standard Russia playbook: 1) Create and/or support a somewhat Russian speaking "breakaway" region. 2) Attack the country under pretext of "protecting" the breakaway region. 3) Repeat in next country. Worked in Georgia with Abkhazia and South Ossetia. In progress in Ukraine with Donetsk and Luhansk. Next: Moldova with Transnistria?
And Kazakhstan better watch out, their regions that border Russia are mostly populated with ethnic Russians... They could have "breakaway independent republics" in the next decade or so
@@mattcromwell4308 Russians in Kazakhstan being persecuted. Imagine if Kazakhstan had western alinged country suddenly there will be russian speaking breakaway zone
@@jorenvanderark3567 do you deny that in Donbass and Luhansk people were killed for being pro Russian or pro Ukrainien ( i am talking about civis being murdered )
You should understand that history of the Caucasus region is very ancient and complex, going beyond even the most ancient civilizations like Sumerians. This region is the crandle of civilization, even today there are languages and ethnicities that were already present in the region way before pre-Indo-European times. Georgian language itself is the proof of it, being older than even proto-Indo-European, if we ignore all the genetical data. Preservance of such an old culture, language and genetics happened mostly due to a not very favorable terrain for Empires and conquerors. Very bloody history, brutal invasions from the very beginning of time, this somehow generated a very tough identity of Caucasian people that has been impossible to be broken or assimilate by multiple and absolutely different empires, through both forcing and diplomacy. I lived and worked in Georgia for a very long time, and I know how important their history is to Georgians, and for Caucasian people in general, these are very proud people, who stood against everyone including time itself, will it be Russia, Turkey, Iran or even West, I am sure it is just impossible to change these people, you either just kill them all, resettle them all or you will fail, no matter how many rockets or troops you might have.
@@Georgian1121Ottomans weren't just sick man of europe. They also spread their sickness in the region they conquered. Balkan , Caucasian s , middle east.
да, это ТОЧНО потому что президент-фашист-диктатор Путин хочет править миром, а не потому что штаты соркестрировали революцию роз, открыто спонсировав её, а потом предложили прозападному правительству Саакашвили войти в НАТО вместе с Украиной (6-е расширение). Это же просто защита национальных интересов Грузии! Защита против древнего союзника и партнера - России, с которой Грузия была в одном государстве, и даже было время, когда грузин управлял этими странами. И конечный выгодопреобретатель из этого конфликта конечно (не США!!) а агрессивная Россия бу!!!
Thanks for the work done and bringing attention to the Russian-Georgian war of August 2008. Couple of immediate comments as a part of the constructive feedback: 1) Scene of the old lady sitting among the ruins aftermath of bombing, displays the resident of Georgian town Gori and the whole episode relates to Russian aircrafts bombing Georgian cities, while the Narrator spoke about Georgians bombing of Tskhinvali. 2) When mentioning South Ossetia and Georgia, please specify "Georgia proper", cause South Ossetia and Abkhazia de-jure is a part of Georgia, whose independence was recognized by international community including these two regions. "Georgia proper" is widely accepted formal term to be used in connection to Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Thanks
Of course, XUILO. Tskhinvali was and is Georgia's territory recognised by United Nations. Nothing Xuilo had to do in Georgia!!!! Fuck Russia. Putin XUILOOOOOO!!!!!!!
I can't believe I just found this channel. I saw warographics channel and immediately clicked on it and glad I did. Recognized your face from other channels/videos and I was like "oh my God I love this guy!" Super impressed with the content. Subbed and liked :D
Amazing how eerily similar the circumstances of 2008 are with 2022. Only this time its Ukraine... It's a shame the international community didn't see what Putin was capable of all those years ago.
@@JL-tm3rc You're wrong :) separatists started shelling Georgian villages before all of that happened. I don't know how any Normal person can blame Georgians for it. Smh
@@Etherlyawoken it was an escalation. on the same night georgian president is talking of peace talks on the process but after several hours georgians launched a full scale invasion that is what i was referring to. prior to those there were many border clashes done by both sides
I played splinter cell 1. I understand this conflict well. Simon you forgot the part when a 50 year old US man in a wetsuit and urban camo pants crouch walked his way through every ventilation shaft in Tbilisi trying to save US spooks but ultimately failed at that, so he packed up his LCD palm pilot, his grainy grey desert storm era night vision goggles, his large trashbag full of data sticks (each containing one email or one four number combination) and his pistol that is only accurate from eight feet away and just left to do other shit.
Was on FOB Delta when all this went down. No idea who the Georgians whom we worked with were, but they vanished one day mid mission. Maybe a big part of why their air superiority was overwhelmed, is that they were with us in Iraq?
I have lived all 31 years of my life in Georgia and it is very hard to convey what the Summer of 2008 felt like or to see the world do nothing about it, the most heartbreaking part is to know that that it gave Putin the audacity to attack Ukraine and devastate so many innocent people
2008 I was loading guns hidden humanitarian aid for Georgia. The our commanders told Georgia don't have a chance because USA don't have any interest in Georgia.
Actually the state of Russia from the rise of the Romanovs (1613) to the present day has had 2 instances of limited government. The first instance was the few months between the abdication of Tsar Nicholas II in February 1917 to the Bolshevik Coup in October that same year. The second instance started after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991 and has two arguable end points. The first arguable end point was in 1993 when President Boris Yeltsin used the Russian army to besiege and shelled the Russian Duma after they had impeached him. The result of this was Yeltsin instituting a period of rule by decree and later the imposition of a new constitution (which laid the ground work for Putin’s autocracy). The second arguable end point was the resignation of Boris Yeltsin in 1999 and subsequent swearing in of Vladimir Putin. Me personally, I believe that Russia’s experiment with democracy ended in 1993. After that the Russian President had substantial power over the country, powers that Putin would expand upon until he became a de facto dictator.
Since people in the comments discuss the responsibilities of Georgia in this war , I guess it’s important to know the following : “The recent conclusion of the International Criminal Court on Russia-Georgia 2008 conflict “has confirmed” Georgian troops had acted “in full accordance” with international law during the war, Beka Dzamashvili, the Deputy Justice Minister of Georgia said on Friday, in response to the completion of the ICC investigation opened in 2016. ICC announces completion of investigation into crimes during Russia-Georgia 2008 war ICC Prosecutor Karim Khan on Friday noted the investigation had resulted in arrest warrants being issued in June against three suspects representing the de facto authorities in the Tskhinvali (South Ossetia) region, the epicenter of the conflict and a territory occupied by Russia since the war, also featuring a Russian military official as an offender, who is now deceased. The ICC conclusion has removed all [possible] question marks towards Georgia and reaffirmed the only country that had committed violations during the conflict is Russia”, Dzamashvili said. “Neither the European Court of Human Rights nor ICC have detected any violations committed by Georgia in the conflict over the years”, Dzamashvili said, noting that Georgia had won all 3,300 complaints filed against it following the 2008 war between the countries to the ECHR.”
EU Independent Fact Finding Mission Report: "The report blamed Georgia for starting the war. The report stated that "there was no ongoing armed attack by Russia before the start of the Georgian operation. Georgian claims of a large-scale presence of Russian armed forces in South Ossetia prior to the Georgian offensive could not be substantiated by the mission. It could also not be verified that Russia was on the verge of such a major attack." The commission said that a government "is generally not prevented" from using armed force in internal conflicts, e.g. against insurgents starting a civil war or against violent secessionists. However, the report said that Georgia had a non-use of force commitment under the legally binding international documents, such as the 1992 Sochi Agreement and 1996 Memorandum on Measures to Provide Security and Strengthen Mutual Trust between the Sides in the Georgian-South Ossetian Conflict.".
@@TakoGoksadze "ECtHR decides it has a hard time sorting out the facts related to the fighting over control of territory. The court ruled that Russia did not exercise jurisdiction over South Ossetia during the armed conflict, but was responsible for abuses by South Ossetian security forces only after it ended on August 12, 2008." It's about the crimes against Georgians after August 12. There was no talk of finding those responsible for starting the war (discussing Mr. Dzamashvili's statement and the earlier EU Independent Fact Finding Mission Report).
@@Эстет-в1в if you were talking about fact finding mission led by Tagliavini, then it doesn't mean anything to anyone anymore (I guess except supporters of imperialists), she can be one of those diplomats that Poland and Austria expelled because they were spies or bribed by Russian government; so that mission doesn't have either trust or validity, court decisions do and they wouldn't be ruling the obvious-you can't start a war against another country within your territory, occupants were at Georgian border before anything even happened, there are evidences and public declarations of Russian government proving that they were preparing for war and Georgian government had all the rights to defend itself; separatists themselves have been and are under Russian control.
I find it rather depressing that Soviet Double-Talk is still applicable today as it was back at the height of the USSR. If something can be lied about for advantage, Russia most certainly will whole heartedly.
12:50 this is actually city of Gori, Georgia after Russian airplanes bombed the city, it is not Tskhinvali and Russians did try (some would say successfully) to sell this as a Georgian attack on Tskhinvali for Russian public. They would literally take footage of whatever they did to Georgians and portray it as Georgians did it to Ossetians. After Bucha, I guess we all know what Russians are capable of...
He Simon. Y'all should something on the Punic wars like the battle of Trebia or Cannae. The 3rd war would be interesting detailing the Roman Siege of Carthage. It doesn't get talked about much.
Yea, the countries you are at war with can't do shit because they are mostly on other continents. How many military bases does the US have abroad? Over 800 last time i checked. The US has dropped ca 46 bombs per day in other countries since 2001. Here you have the countries bombed by the US between end of ww2 1945 to 1999. Some mayor bombing campaigns/invasions/wars after 1999 are also mentioned. The year mark when bombing started and not that it only was during that year, enjoy: China 1945-46 Korea 1950-53 China 1950-53 Guatemala 1954 Indonesia 1958 Cuba 1959-60 Guatemala 1960 Belgian Congo 1964 Guatemala 1964 Dominican Republic 1965-66 Peru 1965 Laos 1964-73 Vietnam 1961-73 Cambodia 1969-70 Guatemala 1967-69 Lebanon 1982-84 Grenada 1983-84 Libya 1986 El Salvador 1981-92 Nicaragua 1981-90 Iran 1987-88 Libya 1989 Panama 1989-90 Iraq 1991 Kuwait 1991 Somalia 1992-94 Bosnia 1995 Iran 1998 Sudan 1998 Afghanistan 1998 Yugoslavia - Serbia 1999 Afghanistan 2001 Iraq 2003 Libya 2011 Iraq and Syria 2014 - Somalia 2011 - Iran 2020 -
There was a U.S. Marine Corps detachment that was in Georgia when Russian Troops invaded. My fellow Marines were caught in it and were given explicit orders not to engage. While I was stationed at Camp Pendleton, we were on the tarmac and then we were told to stand down.
I think you should do a miniseries on the 7 years war. This is often described as the actual 1st world War with conflict in Europe, Asia, Africa and the Americas.
@@johnnotrealname8168 I said 'often described as". This is correct. Do some research. There was conflict in Asia, Europe, N America, Latin America, Africa, Philippines, It involved most of Europe's major powers. What other wars involved battles on so many continents?
Amazing video! but I suggest covering more of Georgia's history with abkhazia even though most of the fighting took place in Ossetia. in Abkhazia during 1989, Georgian Independence sentiment was rising, conflict broke out between Georgian civilians and forces between Abkhaz and Armenian separatists aided by Russian forces. The Russians won the conflict and ended up killing 5,000 Georgians and deporting 250,000 out of Abkhazia, as well as attempting to repopulate the area with their allies civilians.
Fast forward to this year and Russia’s assumption that Ukraine would be as easy as Georgia seems to have backfired big time. The Russian military is NOT the invincible bear that they made the world believe.
And this fucking time we're going to make them suffer. Either get Putin out of office and move the country into 2022 or we need to starve them into submission
Thing is that Ukraine and the west more or less anticipated Russian attack but it seemed close to impossible for Russia to invade a neighbor in 21st century. Before the war Ukraine was supplied with some weaponry and volunteer fighters. Georgia had only useless diplomats who only wished to remain in their seats nice and comfortable. Sarkozy tried to mediate between Georgia and Russia just because he needed some popularity for upcoming elections not like he really cared about fate of Georgia. He actually requested Georgian president to capitulate and do as Russians demanded.
@@haveongatey3267 except Ukraine didn’t launch a war of aggression against Russia. Seems like the new-age Hitler sits in Moscow. Reality is that the state of the Russian military is a reflection of the country of Russia itself. Both are rotten to the core and paper tigers that can’t even defeat a country like Ukraine. Russian propaganda keeps talking about how they’re fighting NATO in Ukraine. LOL. Russia is fighting Ukrainians armed with a few of NATO’s weapons. It’s very clear that Russia wouldn’t be able to take on a single country in NATO, let alone the entire alliance. Weak, incompetent, corrupt, completely lacking in morals, and cowardly = the Russian military.
@@haveongatey3267 First Russia doesn’t have the manpower or resources that the USSR did. Russian army has also been severely crippled by corruption and inept leadership. Second, unlike in WW2 where soviets were being invaded and struggling for their existence, the current Russian army doesn’t have incentive to struggle on this war and endure the huge sacrifice they did in WW2. Third, warfare has changed a lot since WW2 and using the soviet union victories has examples doesn’t really mean much since cheer numbers and numerical advantage isn’t so important has it war. And by this point in the UKR-RU war we can see the faults of the Russian army and how incompetent they are as a fighting force, accept it, Russia isn’t the historical military powerhouse it used to be, and Putin condemned is country to disgrace
First European war in 21st century was the war in Macedonia (2001). You can also include insurgency in Southern Serbia (Preševo valley), which begun in 1999, and also ended in 2001.
Throughout these many years, the only things I've learned from Simon are Vessi's are waterproof, never write down your crimes, and the past was the worst.
I'm sure someone has said this but I would definitely like to see one about the current Ukraine-Russia war. There's obviously alot about it but you go more in depth on the actual conflict and politics, whereas alot of things are focused on the people right jow.
"The Russian military performed poorly". That's the slogan of the entire Russian Armed forces for the last century. "Why would we need a good well trained military when we have a BIG military!". Hopefully the invasion of Ukraine results in Putin being removed from power, and hopefully the Russian people take inspiration from the Italians with how they finally dealt with Mussolini.
I am from Georgia and this is the most clear and accurate video I've seen about the war. Some of the information even was new for me. Great job! As for the Abkhazia and South Ossetia, yeah. This is our territory and we will take it back.
Thanks Simon. I wasn't paying any attention to world events when this happened and, in light of recent events, highly appreciate the recap here. Hot take: maybe we need to stop worrying about "starting" a world war cause Russia obviously needs to be stopped.
I think it's a big mistake that the west has been (now slowly less) constantly trying to gauge how far we can go in supporting ukraine without provoking a russian escalation. putin does not need provocation to escalate, we currently have no indication that we have sny control over how far he goes. really what we're doing by worrying about escalation is just to let putin choose unilaterally how far he wants to escalate, and be sure that we won't then step it up further than he wanted it.
Putin is the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler! Just like in 1938, Hitler wouldn't stop his aggression until major Powers foil his evil plans. Georgia is the new Czechoslovakia! The international community should've punish Russia thoroughly in this War! "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to stand by and do absolutely nothing" - Sir Edmund Burke
My wife is Georgian and she has told me about how she was visiting back home in Tbilisi when this went down. Amazing parallels to the current situation in Ukraine, but luckily Ukraine is much larger and has more capability to fight back. If Russia is wondering why these countries all want to join NATO, it's because they are right next to a big a$$hole that keeps invading it's neighbors.
@@Primal-Weed sure, yeah. They have to defensively invade. I'm sure if NATO, which is literally just a defensive alliance, didn't exist then Russia wouldn't feel so darned rushed to have to invade its neighbors when the pickin's good! Gotta conquer before these smaller countries can gain strong enough allies to fight them off! "Crimea" river
@@Primal-Weed Well Russia rebuilt itself after the USSR (CCCP) collapse in 1991 with Boris Yeltsin. In charge, and past 2000 with global warming heating up frozen Siberia, Russia may well indeed be the much BIGGER superpower it once was. Especially for food production. Fear not 🇷🇺 It still has many ace cards 👌
The US was paying attention to the Georgian conflict and tensions before the war in 2008 even former President Bush Jr went to Georgia on a state visit to try and negotiate with the Georgian government on joining NATO He was so well received that they even named the main street to and from the Airport in the Capital of Tiblisi after him
@@rejvaik00 just a minor correction - "try and negotiate with the Georgian government on joining NATO" is wrong. Georgia made an official request to join NATO in 2002. Even before Saakashvili and the Rose Revolution that are mentioned in this video. Georgia has been aspiring to join NATO for 20 years now, so Bush didn't need to negotiate anything with the Georgian government. The reason why NATO is not taking in Georgia and Ukraine is that Germany and France have been vetoing it. My assumption is that they are afraid of Russia. Hopefully, Russia loses the current war in Ukraine in a shameful way, and it will make Germany and France change their minds.
@@rezolomidze6969 no that's incorrect just like with Ukraine who also made a formal NATO joining request in 2004 and again in 2008 they, Georgia, needed to negotiate with NATO at large And that's what was also going on in 2002 in addition to the Bush Jr visit The US plays a lead but they don't control the entirety of NATO, governments must negotiate with other aspiring members as each current member needs to unanimously vote in new members Just like what we saw with Turkey in regards towards Sweden
Thanks for the video about Georgia, there are few details to be mentioned, i will talk about facts: 1. When we say Abkhazia wanted independence, we should say that Apsua people, which was part of Abkhazian population was 17%, Georgians more than 250 000 people who later flew abkhazia because of genocide and mass murder were more than 60% of population and they never wanted Abkhazia not to be part of Georgia. Many Apsua people did not wanted it too, but russia did great job with his military power to create conflict. 2. South osetia never existed, osetians are alans and alans always lived in the north of caucasus, in later centurys alans were integrated in georgian community, even now more alans live in controlled teritory of georgia in peace, than in so called south ossetia, which is connected with russia with only one tunnel and roas built during soviet union on caucasus mountains. 3. 12:35 minute, woman i Georgian, after russian havy bombardment of town gori. 4. Still Georgians are getting killed and tortured if they walk somewhere near so called border. 5. Conflict will end after russia is destroyed in ukraine, cause it is a terrorist state.
@@edmurks236 It already is getting destroyed. Slowly. It's reputation as a dangerous world power is already destroyed. It has revealed itself to be a paper tiger to the entire world. Soon, the whole state will collapse. As do all empires. Russia is a multiethnic state, an empire, remember? All empires and multiethnic states are ultimately doomed.
you forgot about a little fact: during the Soviet Union, when the Georgians lived better than anyone (everyone understands why). Ossetians in South Ossetia (unfortunately it was annexed to Georgia) were forbidden to teach and learn the Ossetian language in schools. Ossetians were discriminated against, because of which many fled to North Ossetia, the Georgians also rewrote the names of Ossetians and put them at the end of shvili, and now they are Georgians, not Ossetians. and now you can say everywhere that Georgians have always lived there. maybe you don't know all this, I don't blame you. but don't lie about South Ossetia. Ossetia was united
@@AlikVL no my friend what i see is your low education about history and everything else. 1. Firstly it is not a fact that Georgia lived better than anyone else in comparison of production and all the economical factors involved. We still live better than let’s say most of post soviet countries. It doesn’t proof anything. 2.(everyone understands why) It is funnier than your other fact above. I guess you think that because of Stalin and Beria Georgians had heaven or a better position in soviet union. It is because of lack of your education too. here are some facts to educate you: a) After soviet occupation because of Stalin, Georgia lost his territories which were internationally recognized by Soviet union too, to Every neighbor, you can check it easily. b) One of the highest casualties in world war 2 per population in Soviet union. (If it was in our hands why we didn’t manage to save Georgians) c) Stalin, Beria and later soviet leaders killed and displaced more than 800 000 Georgians. 3. Stalin Himself created autonomy south Osetia, which never existed before and always was named samachablo or shida kartli. So first educate yourself before assuming some stupidity. About this conflict: It was is and always will be Georgia, international law is on our side, as all the democratic countries in international community. One day on thkinvali and sokhumi will wave georgian flag again. If someone wants to have Alan country created in Georgia sorry but it is not possible. He can go to the north of caucasus and live there. For the others this country is open, i am sure everyone will have possibilities to learn the language he wants to learn after georgian and live peacefully if someone doesn’t want to break law.
I remember seeing this too in - The Grand Tour - sea to unsalty sea - A Georgian farmer suddenly became Russian after the Russian army moved the border fence south when night fell. The Joke of Nigel Mansels head was then removed from Richards Bentley. 😒 🇷🇺 🇬🇪
„Today Georgia, tomorrow Ukraine, the day after tomorrow - Baltic States & later, perhaps, time will come for my country, Poland". - Lech Kaczyński, Tbilisi, 2008. Everyone warned the west, they did not listen and because of that today we have war in Ukraine
Yes, but Samachablo is not "Ossetia." If Ivan and Ossetians can call Samachablo "south Ossetia" than I suppose we Georgians can call Russia "north Georgia" and claim it for ourselves. Eye for an eye tooth for the tooth.
@@TimtheEnchanter25 heh,very funny joke, about Russia like North Georgia 😁😆😅 Also for correct this called samachablo, but bolsheviks and Stalin with Beria made called it's south osetia ,cuz of ossetians there. But fiction is , that's this region is semi ossetians and georgians, people of these two ethnicities were lived always together. And you're right akans irons scytinians are ossetians , and they were lived from down south , and up to North ,so in Caucasians both regions too. So in Georgia Kartli too could live with other proto-georgian ethnicities.
@@maka2210angel9_devil No, not "always." We allowed these foreigners to live on our lands for some reason. The land has always been Georgian. It wouldn't be too different if the Turks start claiming parts of Germany they've settled after W W II, which they might at some point, actually. Any minority could claim the land as their own, then. that's what these os did. Alans aren't native to these lands. They just settled them, moved south at some point and settled our historic lands. Even so, Georgians were always the majority. Allowing them on our living space was a mistake. I don't know why our ancestors would make such an evolutionarily maladaptive decision. Because the Os dressed like us, maybe? Yeah let's just let these foreigners settle our lands, I am sure it'll all go fine and they won't carry out their own group interests and try to claim the land for themselves at some point... Right? I am ashamed. If the os don't wanna live among Georgians, they're more then welcome to move to Russia. But they won't take our lands along with them, sorry.
@@TimtheEnchanter25 I also didn't know why we allowed settle them here, maybe because they almost was same as us. Or cuz they always were moved in place to places from southern iron to northern parts and was crossed Georgia and settled even everywhere and they was do this for contaplaine world and lands. Why then from olden times every people ethnicities were always moved places by places and we're settled for long in those lands , for what we know already those countries. I think that no matter minority or majority should already begun to live together and respect each other , so georgians and ossetians should begine respect each other and each other interest and live among together, then will be peace , and without deviding and claiming the land. Also I'm not talking what they should take the lands , I'm telling for United Georgia with all lands together and with all ethnicities and everybody should learn respect each other and abkazians with georgians and ossetians too, but people who doesn't want to live in some of kind parts of autonomy inside Georgia or connected to Georgia , those ethnicities people can go to Russia. Look how Russia lives wealthy and with big amount of ethnicities, lands, with slavic and non slavic , or look how big USA is and some kind Europe like South America or Spain. We can live so too, with United ethnicities and with and in United Georgia. If all ethnicities and Georgian ethnicities and all people who living in Georgia , will respect each other, then Georgia or any country can be United and strong. Ossetians and Georgians should have same interests, it's how respect each other and to live without deviding something. And people in country should think about great economy and workplaces and science development, that's it, but not discuss about who's land who's and hate each other's, it's about all georgians I'm telling , and all georgians and ossetians and abkazians.
@@maka2210angel9_devil No, multiethnic societies never last long. Yugoslavia, USSR, Nigeria, Cyprus. Different ethnicities cannot coexist in the same living space under the same state. Because man is tribal, not solitary. We always bend together with those more similar to us and carry out our own group interests irrespective of the outgroups. That's why multiethnic societies can never work, not without an iron fist of a strong government or a dictator like Stalin, Tito, or Putin for that matter. Russia is multiethnic, because it is an empire. And like all empires before it, it is doomed to collapse. Same goes for America. All empires and multiethnic civilizations collapse. But the ethnic group, the extended genetic kinship group, a tribe, it lives on. Georgia is not an empire though. It is a nation state. It's called "land of the kartvelians." So let it be so. It is our living space, not of anyone else. Everyone else have theirs. Let us have ours. We saw what terrible trouble having other ethnicities on your living space brings. Only madmen make the same mistake twice expecting different results. I don't really care about the economy or wellbeing of this country, if it won't belong to my ethnic kin. If half the country is gonna be made up of non Georgians... why should I care about it? I am not gonna partake in building this country up for somebody else's children. If this country called "Georgia" won't belong to the people called "The Georgians" then I really don't care what happens to it. Why should I owe it any loyalty? I'll just leave and go to a better country, like Switzerland. They have more jobs, more opportunities, it's more democratic... Why would I stay here?
You have missed the part where Russian forces were accumulating near Georgian border for entire July. They claimed that accumulation was due to comprehensive military exercises. Also, it’s a bit harsh to say that Shevardnadze was pro Russian. He to this day is a controversial political figure but not pro Russian.
Funny how the West never learned about Putin's aggressive imperialist agenda. Russia is a maffiosi terrorist state long before their unprovoked invasions of Ukraine
If anything he really didn't. Because if he did, he wouldn't have accepted NATO aid, because the US didn't do shit for Georgia. And yet, here we are, and US aid is fulfilling its purpose in killing russian n1663r5
@@spaghetticat110 Georgia fell in days so NATO had no time to react. Also, Ukraine has every right to self defend against the unprovoked russian aggression and deserves to be supported against Putin's terrorist state
Add to the equation the recent verdict of the Hague's International Criminal Court rejecting Russia's absolutely every single complaint (and, on the other hand, accepting every single georgian one) over the War of 2008.
Unbelivable how they bully everyone near them. Living in EU country for 25 y i met many Russians.Sadly but only few i could say they were really nice,down to Earth and pleasant.Most were just rude,arrogant and very unpleasant. To make the story more interesting i will add that a woman few years ago entered a shop asking if anyone was speaking Ru when the workers answered no she said " why in my country noone speaks my language".since i speak ru i told her " well this is not YOUR country"....And this is what they do all the time entering shops and asking do you speak ru.i am not obliged to speak ru , they are obliged to learn other languages.VERY IGNORANT!
People should know that "South Ossetia" is lying on historic Georgian land Tskhinvali, where Georgians(Actually Georgian majority) always have been living until forcibly expelled by Russians and separatists. These occupations and referendums are absolutely immoral and illegal. These are not wars for rights of some oppressed ethnicity, if Russia actually cared about Ossetians, they would give them independent republics on Russian territory(Where North Ossetia is), not on Georgian.
It’s amazing how many people look at Russia doing the same thing it did in Georgia, Moldova and Chechnya…and are like omg it’s NATO’s fault…like I’m really?
@@stvk99 excuse me?Russia literally genocided chechnyan people and north Caucasus is Conquered by Russia and it wasnt their land and they had no right to do it to chechnyans
@@tea1424 show me the UN reports of the supposed genocide then. Or every war is a genocide now? Funny how y'all got double standards when it comes to Russia or China. What you described is literally the history of US, Canada, Australia, etc... But of course it's not the same, those were good conquests, the natives deserved to be wiped out🤡
Ossetia is actually georgian word 😆 I found out it now. 😆 In georgian language when we talk about country(i mean several countries, not all) we say name of the people + et (ex:russia- რუსეთი- russ-et-i) Oss-et-i is actually georgian word. It works only then, when a country has no its own name in georgian. There is not doubt abkhazia is georgian word. They think they are our enemy but still there is proof even their name is georgian😆
Georgian president said said our war is with Russia and not with South ossetia and the Russian government said our war is with AMERICA and NATO not Georgia . So I don't know who is fighting who
This is the war that put Georgia on the map in the minds of the collective Americans because when they first read those headlines in 2008 they were like: _"What? The state of Georgia is being invaded by Russia?"_
This was during the 2008 presidential election, so the American media hardly covered the conflict, so most Americans are still unaware there is a Georgia outside of the American south.
The one little detail that was wrong was that abkhazians and so called south ossetians (soviet name for the region, its called samachablo) support independence, majority of the population of both regions are refugees, including my family that had lived in abkhazia for 800 years, until 1993. Its like if 5 people lived in a house, then 3 were kicked out, one was intimidated into cooperating, one was fed lies, and a stranger moved into the house and then the stranger claimed that the majority of the house wanted the three to be kicked out
U provide excellent information and background history in presenting the conflict. BUT, ur talking too fast to absorb it; I recommend going at an average pace---it'll make the presentation much more enjoyable and educational. Thanks for the video.
well at least in 2008 there were actual minorities and ethnic tensions. ossetians and abkhazians don't like Sakartvelo you know just like chechens don't like russians (until they conquered the russia and now russians pay tribute to chechen khan) the new war is entirely made up for no reason and russia just sucked kilometres of shlong to no gain
It is, frankly, ridiculous that history repeats again and again, having the same man behind it, and yet western politics get surprised by it each time.
Then what do you want? That NATO invades russia for regime change? or fund an armed rebellion leading to another civil war?.
@@morisco56 That those politicans that now say "We're never talking to Putin again" and "We should've listened to Putin before" had done so decades ago rather than turning a blind eye to him invading Georgia, Chechenya, Moldavia....
The damage is done, theres not much they can do unless they fight fire with fire and a few thousand "volunteers" suddenly appear in Ukraine with top-tier military training.
Not the foreign legion brigade thing, but a special operations team under false flags making life easier for the Ukrainians. .
They are clowns just like the man who starts these conflicts over and over.
Those that do not learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.
Thats the attention span of modern society. You could say the Ukraine war is forgotten while still going on. Not as interesting as 2 goofballs suing each other for domestic abuse.
Given Russia's history, I wonder why so many of her neighbors and former soviet republics want to join NATO?
Russo-Georgian War = Europe's first war of the 21st century
Russo-Ukrainian War = Europe's first war of the 2020s
I'm beginning to notice a pattern here. Why is Russia so backward compared to the United States of America and Western Europe, bros?
I've heard the Russian government has threatened countries that want to join NATO with nuclear weapons
@@GrievousReborn So?
Yeah, so strange…
Isn't it amazing how overthrowing the elected leaders of those former Soviet Republics (Rose Revolution, Euromaidan, etc...) and replacing them with US/EU puppets is promptly followed by those same countries suddenly wanting to join NATO.
When I was deployed to Afghanistan the Georgians made wine low-key and would share with the enlisted miss those dudes
casual georgian activity
@@mrpr3d4t0r Casual Georgian username too 😁
@@ratigiorgobiani210 lmao nice one
Russia had given most "Ossetian" people passports so they could say "defending our people". They supplied all the munitions to Ossetia and egged on aggression against Georgia, and just happened to be doing "military exercises" just on the other side of the border, etc, etc. Exactly what they did in East Ukraine and are doing in Transnester Moldova. I don't think anyone is asking "who's fault was it".
Initially Russia was ready to give up Transnistria, Ossetia as they did with Crimea. But people of that region were against that. All that collapse of the USSR wasn't democratic at all - just some 3 drunkards decided to break away the Union. Transnistria was always populated by Russians and Ukrainians, they don't want to be in Moldova that would become Romania. Ossetians were never under Georgian rule and they have ethnic conflict. And Crimea was always Russian. So if you are protecting democracy then you should protect rights of Eastern Ukraine, South Ossetia and Transnistria. Otherwise you are just another totalitarian drunkard.
@@tempest8870 So what? Ossetians had never recognised Georgian rule over their country. Georgians were not able to force Ossetians to obey them. Georgia claimed that Osettia was their territory but in fact Osettia was fully autonomous. Georgians should abandon their nationalism and face reality.
@@Worselol lol, complete BS, south ossetia was created by the soviets in april 1922, and ossetians were minority in their "own" capital of tskhinvali, ossetia never existed in georgia it was artificially created, they settled in that part of georgia starting from 17th century due to pressure from their neighboors.
@@bago129 Ossetians have always lived in Ossetia, pls stop talking nonsense. South Ossetia was created by Ossetians to separate themself from separatists of Georgia. Soviet Union gave South Ossetia to Georgia for joining USSR. When USSR collapsed there was no more reason for South Ossetia to stay with Georgia.
@@Worselol stop being ignorant and give me one document or source that mentions south ossetia before 1922, iam waiting.
or show me one historical monument in "south ossetia" that is actually ossetian, it is literally full of georgian churches from medieval with old georgian writings on it, and zero ossetian, because they showed up much later and only lived in very rural areas.
just do some research you look stupid
Thanks brother for sharing our story, and thanks to all the Eastern European fellows for supporting us that time (Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia)
@@ihtac +++
@@ihtac thanks for always and that's you always supporting us Georgia ,and I'm agree about with you what's you said
I remember when Russia invaded my idiot friends thought the Russians were invading the state of Georgia.
@@jeffshackleford3152ha ha imagine George w bush reading that on the news and thinking it was the us state and freaking out
your country invaded osetia and then you couldn¨t take the heat
As a Georgian, I think this video was really good.
"ebkayja"
@@Ass_of_Amalek "ebkayja" is not a word in either Georgian, Ossetian, or Russian languages.
Want to clarify what that was supposed to mean?
Bodega Coast it's how simon pronounces "abkhazia" ;)
As an Edwardian, I think so too.
Honestly the more I hear about Russia the more I think an accidental bombing of some Russian cities wouldn't be a bad thing. Ya know good for the goose good for the gander and all that?
I’m sitting hear listening to this video and repeating saying to myself: “This sounds like Ukraine.” I mean besides a couple of difference, what happened to Georgia sounds nearly identical to Ukraine and yet before the Invasion of Ukraine nobody thought to look look back at the Invasion of Georgia as reference? Like come on.
It is very frustrating knowing that and seeing people now spew Russian propaganda, like they never were around in the early 2000s, in the 1990s, or 2014?
Social media was not a thing when Georgia was invaded and EU was more like a rich fraternity club of corrupt leaders so no one cared. Wars are harder to go by unnoticed nowadays.
@@sse_weston4138 yep honestly at this point I know the Russians aren't guilty for Putin's crimes but they've never stopped him either so if some bombs were to drop on top of Russians cities I wouldnt be upset. It just seems fair
Nah, everyone knew about invasion on highest level at least a week before. They didn't announce it to don't cause panic and to have open roads (without thousands of civilian venicles) to relocate supplies and military forces closer to the border with belarus (logistics system for donbass was established for a long time since 2014)
@@michaelf.2449 It's not that Russians have not tried. It's just that any kind of dissent would find you in prison like his opposition leader who just received further multi-year sentencings. Or, if you were more disposable, you would "mysteriously" disappear or "accidentally" be found dead.
As a native Georgian, the state, I appreciate the clarification.
This is the only objective and competent review of the conflict I've seen on youtube. It's very close to what actually happened, especially events before aug.7
Simon and his team are really good at what they do
It is not. Sorry but my short summary is in fact the true reality of that conflict. Which of course is contrary to subsequent western narratives and MSM reporting.
According to Russia Georgia started the war on its own territory but Russia is carrying out a special military operation on the foreign land. This is a good example how Russian doublespeak works.
Yep
According to Russia, Georgia violated ceasefire agreement and simultaneously Russian peacekeeping forces were attacked by Georgia, yes.
@@ЛехАскольдич Do you believe in that stupidity? Last December Hague International Court finally denied the accusation against Georgia starting the war in 2008. After the long and deep investigations Georgia has proven to be a real victim of the Kremlin imperialism.
@@filiushermesio yeah, pretty much. should i believe the decision of the hague international court? nah, i don't think so. especially when its made after ten months of unprecedented for twenty years war in europe, especially against the country that is considered to be on offense.
@@ЛехАскольдич Georgia won over 3000 complaints in different years, in 2019, 2021, and 2022 all the rest complaints finally.
Excellent video. Entertaining enough to keep my attention, yet serious enough to do the topic justice. Well done Simon & team 👍
Thank you.
@@warographics643 Simon, lately you shake a lot in all your videos, please have that looked into.
@@noth606 Just a suggestion: If you are really that concerned about this, I would suggest posting it as a separate comment, not a reply to one having nothing to do with it. The former is what a thinking person would do.
@@warographics643 you haven't mentioned the ethnic cleansing of georgians from south ossertia and Abkhazia whom amounted to 250k georgian civilians there also have been multiple cases of war crimes commited against georgians one of the most famouse was spotted in Abkhazia where a georgian solider was killed and than russian and separatist soliders played football with his head
@@warographics643 how do you distinguish between "separatists" and "freedom fighters"?
This channel is incredible. Keep going Simon. The more people see this the less chance history repeats
2008 - o’bama ?!
@@irakliiki8602 didn't say it was a certainty I said less of chance
@@irakliiki8602 May Putin recieve the Mussolini treatment he deserves - after all, his army fights like Mussolini's.
@@neilhillis9858already broken, running left Donetsk with Lugansk?
It is also noteworthy how presidents Ukraine, Poland and the baltic states arrived in Tbilisi to stop Russian attack.
Poland’s president said that today it was Georgia, but if they didn’t stop Russia then and there, the next would be Ukraine, then Baltics and finally Poland.
The west ignored this. Even after 2014 French and Germans continued supplying Russians military equipment…
so now we know next is Baltics
Poland did do nothing it was just more vocal about it. Yes they pleaded on Ukraine's behalf in 2014 but at the end of the day they still sent the same number of troops as France and Germany did. None.
@@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462
It’s not about sending troops. Nobody expected that from Poland or France. Maybe the US could do it.
But that’s not the point. If Russia was hit with the scope of today’s sanctions in 2008, then their imperialistic dreams would be destroyed a decade ago.
@@Castiel667 The fact noone expected troops is why Putin thought he could get away with it. He doesn't care about sanctions. It's a sign of weakness to him. He cares about shows of strength. Look at Turkey. Erdoğan shot down a Russian Jet at the slightest of provocation and Putin retaliated by selling him an even better Air defence system. Cos he respects him now. That's Putin. It's not about geopolitical strategic interests it's just a pissing match.
@@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462
Lol no.
After Turkey shot down their plane, Russia imposed Sanctions on Turkey (oh, the irony). They prohibited Russians to go to Turkey for vacations (and they are the largest share of Turkey’s tourism industry) and they also banned Turkish Agro-Product imports.
This eventually led Erdogan to apologize and change his rhetoric.
Sanctions work, but not when they are imposed in a half-hearted way like in 2014.
It’s not about whether Putin cares or not. Sanctions will return Russia to 1990s. Let’s wait and see.
Russia in 2008 was much easier to scare than it is today.
As a latch key kid from Florida I was in 3rd grade and turned on the tv when I got home to see the headline that Russian had invaded Georgia and started panicking and called my dad. That’s when I learned that Russia hadn’t invaded the US and were about to sack Atlanta
Whew
I'm sure you weren't the only one.
Public school at work
@@chiefslinginbeef3641 jokes on you, that was a private school.
@@Nerdznewznow ehhh I homeschool so oh well.
I am sad to hear Slovakia mentioned in the list of countries that supported separatists' claims, ergo pro-russian stand. Prime minister in that period was the same guy that is now in opposition, criticizing current government for their support of Ukraine.. one Mr. Fico, remember this name.. kind of our own oligarch. I guess the leopard really doesn't change his spots.
I agree I hope Europe goes to war with Russia as well. I'm done with Americans defending your countries on the American tax payers money
I completely agree with you, there should be no separatism. Only a united Czechoslovakia
Hmm. Russia was making some very similar accusations in this war as they are about Ukraine.
Thank you Sir Simon! I've been requesting this topic since the Russian invasion of Ukraine. We ❤️ this video!
He'll probably cover it once it's over, with Russian forces repelled and Ukraine standing stronger and more hopeful than before
@@ilajoie3 damn straight
Or the Nazis that you're lied to about are finally destroyed. Much better outcome.
You didn't mention that the Russians/Ossetians also took over areas of ethnic georgian territory and ethnicly cleansed them.
Also before the 1991 war Georgians were the largest ethnic group in Abkhazia but the violent abkhaz minority stated massacring them and drove out many more.
That’s because the person who made this video is an ideologically biased partisan left/liberal hack.
@Haveon Gatey Putin isn’t from Georgia. Medvedev isn’t from Georgia. These were Russian and pro-Russian wars of aggression against Georgia. Plain and simple.
The load minority kicks out the silent majority...I think I see this happening in other parts of Europe and America...
@@haveongatey3267 He is a traitor. He's Dad was an Ossetian btw.
@@haveongatey3267 you know that stalin was georgian but u don't know that he was kicked from georgia? wtf? learn before speaking
If the lessons of World War II was that you should never appease a strong nation that invades a weaker nation, when did Western leaders forget this lesson?
They did learn it the problem is Russia is a nuclear power
So when they act aggressively there's not much direct force by means of combat the rest of the world can do
Instead they have to resort to less effective means to get the Russians to back off, negotiations, economic sanctions, international isolation, and global condemnation
I guarantee you that if Russia wasn't a nuclear power and they tried this aggression there would be a NATO led coalition into Moscow by the end of the Month
The US learned that lesson in the Post WW2 world, which is why President Eisenhower changed US military doctrine to be proactive rather than reactive
The US would topple dictatorships and authoritarian regimes throughout the world before they became a threat to the US and US interests
@@rejvaik00 and, unfortunately, install other dictatorships.
@@VideoMask93 remember:
_Threaten US interests_ is the key phrase.
If you're a dictator and you don't threaten the US or even better you ally with the US like saudi arabia then you are golden
Morality doesn't exist in geopolitics
Ah, the now-standard Russia playbook:
1) Create and/or support a somewhat Russian speaking "breakaway" region.
2) Attack the country under pretext of "protecting" the breakaway region.
3) Repeat in next country.
Worked in Georgia with Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
In progress in Ukraine with Donetsk and Luhansk.
Next: Moldova with Transnistria?
And Kazakhstan better watch out, their regions that border Russia are mostly populated with ethnic Russians... They could have "breakaway independent republics" in the next decade or so
@@mattcromwell4308 Russians in Kazakhstan being persecuted. Imagine if Kazakhstan had western alinged country suddenly there will be russian speaking breakaway zone
@@mattcromwell4308 the difference is, kazakstan is under a pro russia dictatorship. essentially already a russian puppet, much like belarus.
@@ShubhamMishrabro
Ah yes step zero: proclaim persecution without any evidence what so ever.
@@jorenvanderark3567 do you deny that in Donbass and Luhansk people were killed for being pro Russian or pro Ukrainien ( i am talking about civis being murdered )
You should understand that history of the Caucasus region is very ancient and complex, going beyond even the most ancient civilizations like Sumerians. This region is the crandle of civilization, even today there are languages and ethnicities that were already present in the region way before pre-Indo-European times. Georgian language itself is the proof of it, being older than even proto-Indo-European, if we ignore all the genetical data. Preservance of such an old culture, language and genetics happened mostly due to a not very favorable terrain for Empires and conquerors.
Very bloody history, brutal invasions from the very beginning of time, this somehow generated a very tough identity of Caucasian people that has been impossible to be broken or assimilate by multiple and absolutely different empires, through both forcing and diplomacy.
I lived and worked in Georgia for a very long time, and I know how important their history is to Georgians, and for Caucasian people in general, these are very proud people, who stood against everyone including time itself, will it be Russia, Turkey, Iran or even West, I am sure it is just impossible to change these people, you either just kill them all, resettle them all or you will fail, no matter how many rockets or troops you might have.
Yeah, but chechens and most of the north caucasian nations adopted islam in spite of having christianity from georgia.
They were forced by ottomans.
Georgian wine is older than europe ☠
@@Georgian1121Ottomans weren't just sick man of europe. They also spread their sickness in the region they conquered. Balkan , Caucasian s , middle east.
As a Georgian, a lot my questions I had were answered. Thank you for that.
да, это ТОЧНО потому что президент-фашист-диктатор Путин хочет править миром, а не потому что штаты соркестрировали революцию роз, открыто спонсировав её, а потом предложили прозападному правительству Саакашвили войти в НАТО вместе с Украиной (6-е расширение).
Это же просто защита национальных интересов Грузии! Защита против древнего союзника и партнера - России, с которой Грузия была в одном государстве, и даже было время, когда грузин управлял этими странами. И конечный выгодопреобретатель из этого конфликта конечно (не США!!) а агрессивная Россия бу!!!
As a non-Georgian, can you tell me if he is pronouncing South Ossetia correctly?
@@putler965 He is pronouncing correctly in english but in Georgian Language we would say Samkhret Oseti
@@Nacaraa I don't think he's pronouncing it correctly in English.
@@putler965yeah but we dont say ossetia we say samachablo
Thanks for the work done and bringing attention to the Russian-Georgian war of August 2008. Couple of immediate comments as a part of the constructive feedback: 1) Scene of the old lady sitting among the ruins aftermath of bombing, displays the resident of Georgian town Gori and the whole episode relates to Russian aircrafts bombing Georgian cities, while the Narrator spoke about Georgians bombing of Tskhinvali. 2) When mentioning South Ossetia and Georgia, please specify "Georgia proper", cause South Ossetia and Abkhazia de-jure is a part of Georgia, whose independence was recognized by international community including these two regions. "Georgia proper" is widely accepted formal term to be used in connection to Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Thanks
1:05 - Chapter 1 - Independence
3:35 - Chapter 2 - Roses & missiles
7:50 - Chapter 3 - Battle of tskhinvali
13:00 - Chapter 4 - Land, sky and sea
18:50 - Chapter 5 - Who's to blame ?
- Chapter 6 -
I think you fell asleep before you finished
they forgot to mention that first georgian republic was created in 1918
Of course, XUILO. Tskhinvali was and is Georgia's territory recognised by United Nations. Nothing Xuilo had to do in Georgia!!!! Fuck Russia. Putin XUILOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Definitely appreciate the recent history videos like this
I honestly had no idea this had ever happened. Thanks for such an informative video
Well the beijing olympics was the focus that time
How old were you in 2008?
@@MaxwellAerialPhotography 9 probs
It all happened so fast that there was no time to react.
@@MaxwellAerialPhotography I was Born during 2008
New warographics upload day is always a good day 🖤
Can you cover the Nagorno-Karabakh War?
This I'd love Simon to cover the Armenian defence of Artsakh.
Which one?
Honestly that conflict is too new, theres not enough credible academic sources to draw on yet.
It belongs to Kurds
I can't believe I just found this channel. I saw warographics channel and immediately clicked on it and glad I did. Recognized your face from other channels/videos and I was like "oh my God I love this guy!" Super impressed with the content. Subbed and liked :D
Amazing how eerily similar the circumstances of 2008 are with 2022. Only this time its Ukraine...
It's a shame the international community didn't see what Putin was capable of all those years ago.
I think it is different since it is the georgians that started the hostilities
@@JL-tm3rc You're wrong :) separatists started shelling Georgian villages before all of that happened. I don't know how any Normal person can blame Georgians for it. Smh
@@Etherlyawoken it was an escalation. on the same night georgian president is talking of peace talks on the process but after several hours georgians launched a full scale invasion that is what i was referring to. prior to those there were many border clashes done by both sides
@@JL-tm3rc How can you invade your own land? Doesn't make sense
@@Etherlyawoken if i recall correctly south ossetia is a separatist state that is why russian peace keepers were put in place there.
I played splinter cell 1. I understand this conflict well. Simon you forgot the part when a 50 year old US man in a wetsuit and urban camo pants crouch walked his way through every ventilation shaft in Tbilisi trying to save US spooks but ultimately failed at that, so he packed up his LCD palm pilot, his grainy grey desert storm era night vision goggles, his large trashbag full of data sticks (each containing one email or one four number combination) and his pistol that is only accurate from eight feet away and just left to do other shit.
Such an underated comment!
Was on FOB Delta when all this went down. No idea who the Georgians whom we worked with were, but they vanished one day mid mission.
Maybe a big part of why their air superiority was overwhelmed, is that they were with us in Iraq?
It's a shame America did so little to help Georgia after the country contributed so much help to Afghanistan and Iraq.
well, Georgia didn't have much of an air force to start with so...
Only give us patriots and f-35. After this we don't need officially usas help in war. We need just air defance.
They were brought back to Georgia on august 10th.
@@badluck5647 Help to USA .
I have lived all 31 years of my life in Georgia and it is very hard to convey what the Summer of 2008 felt like or to see the world do nothing about it, the most heartbreaking part is to know that that it gave Putin the audacity to attack Ukraine and devastate so many innocent people
2008 I was loading guns hidden humanitarian aid for Georgia. The our commanders told Georgia don't have a chance because USA don't have any interest in Georgia.
@@santigocortez4647 Not because this was Russia we’re on about and the world was still scared of the possible nuclear war during the 60-80s?
@@UnknownOps Now nuclear war is made as football mach commercial despite there going to be no ,, winners,,
@@santigocortez4647 Bro what?
@@UnknownOps Which part of nuclear war made as football commercial you don't understand?
20:20 Russia has never had anything resembling democracy so I'm not surprised that they thought Bush could violate his term limit.
They did in Novgorod
@@CatnamedMittens ???
In 90s Russia was a democratic state
@@arty5876 cute that you believe that.
Actually the state of Russia from the rise of the Romanovs (1613) to the present day has had 2 instances of limited government.
The first instance was the few months between the abdication of Tsar Nicholas II in February 1917 to the Bolshevik Coup in October that same year.
The second instance started after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991 and has two arguable end points. The first arguable end point was in 1993 when President Boris Yeltsin used the Russian army to besiege and shelled the Russian Duma after they had impeached him. The result of this was Yeltsin instituting a period of rule by decree and later the imposition of a new constitution (which laid the ground work for Putin’s autocracy). The second arguable end point was the resignation of Boris Yeltsin in 1999 and subsequent swearing in of Vladimir Putin.
Me personally, I believe that Russia’s experiment with democracy ended in 1993. After that the Russian President had substantial power over the country, powers that Putin would expand upon until he became a de facto dictator.
Since people in the comments discuss the responsibilities of Georgia in this war , I guess it’s important to know the following : “The recent conclusion of the International Criminal Court on Russia-Georgia 2008 conflict “has confirmed” Georgian troops had acted “in full accordance” with international law during the war, Beka Dzamashvili, the Deputy Justice Minister of Georgia said on Friday, in response to the completion of the ICC investigation opened in 2016.
ICC announces completion of investigation into crimes during Russia-Georgia 2008 war
ICC Prosecutor Karim Khan on Friday noted the investigation had resulted in arrest warrants being issued in June against three suspects representing the de facto authorities in the Tskhinvali (South Ossetia) region, the epicenter of the conflict and a territory occupied by Russia since the war, also featuring a Russian military official as an offender, who is now deceased.
The ICC conclusion has removed all [possible] question marks towards Georgia and reaffirmed the only country that had committed violations during the conflict is Russia”, Dzamashvili said.
“Neither the European Court of Human Rights nor ICC have detected any violations committed by Georgia in the conflict over the years”, Dzamashvili said, noting that Georgia had won all 3,300 complaints filed against it following the 2008 war between the countries to the ECHR.”
EU Independent Fact Finding Mission Report: "The report blamed Georgia for starting the war.
The report stated that "there was no ongoing armed attack by Russia before the start of the Georgian operation. Georgian claims of a large-scale presence of Russian armed forces in South Ossetia prior to the Georgian offensive could not be substantiated by the mission. It could also not be verified that Russia was on the verge of such a major attack."
The commission said that a government "is generally not prevented" from using armed force in internal conflicts, e.g. against insurgents starting a civil war or against violent secessionists. However, the report said that Georgia had a non-use of force commitment under the legally binding international documents, such as the 1992 Sochi Agreement and 1996 Memorandum on Measures to Provide Security and Strengthen Mutual Trust between the Sides in the Georgian-South Ossetian Conflict.".
It’s sad I have to explain that Strasbourg as well as International Criminal findings override everything that was said before.
@@TakoGoksadze "ECtHR decides it has a hard time sorting out the facts related to the fighting over control of territory. The court ruled that Russia did not exercise jurisdiction over South Ossetia during the armed conflict, but was responsible for abuses by South Ossetian security forces only after it ended on August 12, 2008." It's about the crimes against Georgians after August 12. There was no talk of finding those responsible for starting the war (discussing Mr. Dzamashvili's statement and the earlier EU Independent Fact Finding Mission Report).
@@Эстет-в1в if you were talking about fact finding mission led by Tagliavini, then it doesn't mean anything to anyone anymore (I guess except supporters of imperialists), she can be one of those diplomats that Poland and Austria expelled because they were spies or bribed by Russian government; so that mission doesn't have either trust or validity, court decisions do and they wouldn't be ruling the obvious-you can't start a war against another country within your territory, occupants were at Georgian border before anything even happened, there are evidences and public declarations of Russian government proving that they were preparing for war and Georgian government had all the rights to defend itself; separatists themselves have been and are under Russian control.
@@TakoGoksadze didn't Russia said the same about Ukraine? That they were preparing for war and that's why Russia striked first
I find it rather depressing that Soviet Double-Talk is still applicable today as it was back at the height of the USSR. If something can be lied about for advantage, Russia most certainly will whole heartedly.
Russian Imperialism: "Let us drag you down with us"
American Imperalism: let me control all over the world
@@SHAAAaaaOLiiiiN Yes, but at least America gives economic benefits to its vassals, Japan, korea, Germany, etc.
@@WillieFungo And Russia helped to defend our homes in Donbass. And I am Ukrainian.
@@SHAAAaaaOLiiiiN That's not imperialism. Some say those areas are ethnically Russian.
@@WillieFungo Honestly, local people do not care about it at all. All they cared about is safety and only Russians provided that.
Rest In Peace to those that passed away.
12:50 this is actually city of Gori, Georgia after Russian airplanes bombed the city, it is not Tskhinvali and Russians did try (some would say successfully) to sell this as a Georgian attack on Tskhinvali for Russian public. They would literally take footage of whatever they did to Georgians and portray it as Georgians did it to Ossetians. After Bucha, I guess we all know what Russians are capable of...
BTW Bucha was a false-flag done by Ukrainian military, so you are wrong in this one.
@@drjacob2276 okey Bot. Hope u master Putin will dai in comma
@@tornikekhojashvili2432 Ok Khokhol bot and speak proper English please.
@@drjacob2276 khokhol, such a new word for bot. Nice. My english will be fixed but putin will still die in vain.
Khvicha Kuprashvili..........
I am Georgian and I approve this video
As aways Simon is on point and super informative!
He Simon. Y'all should something on the Punic wars like the battle of Trebia or Cannae. The 3rd war would be interesting detailing the Roman Siege of Carthage. It doesn't get talked about much.
The Punic wars are a super interesting part of Roman history. I'm surprised they're not talked about as much as other Roman conflicts.
Trasimene is another good battle. He already has Biographic videos on Scipio and Hannibal though so he's probably covered all of it.
Stuff like this makes me thankful everyday that I live in the United States
Same.
Yeah, US took all neighbours' territories in 19 century. Now everything's okay
Stuff like that are our Tuesdays mate
Yea, the countries you are at war with can't do shit because they are mostly on other continents.
How many military bases does the US have abroad? Over 800 last time i checked.
The US has dropped ca 46 bombs per day in other countries since 2001.
Here you have the countries bombed by the US between end of ww2 1945 to 1999. Some mayor bombing campaigns/invasions/wars after 1999 are also mentioned. The year mark when bombing started and not that it only was during that year, enjoy:
China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia - Serbia 1999
Afghanistan 2001
Iraq 2003
Libya 2011
Iraq and Syria 2014 -
Somalia 2011 -
Iran 2020 -
Usa only country to ever use nuclear weapons against another country Usa is way more evil than Russia or China
There was a U.S. Marine Corps detachment that was in Georgia when Russian Troops invaded. My fellow Marines were caught in it and were given explicit orders not to engage.
While I was stationed at Camp Pendleton, we were on the tarmac and then we were told to stand down.
I heard that story in 2008 turns out to be true wow
Eh? Care to share your Marine MOS and the command? I’m curious
Dude, I served onboard HMS/Nönnönnöö during the Great Badger war back in the days and I can just tell that your story doesn't check our.
I think you should do a miniseries on the 7 years war. This is often described as the actual 1st world War with conflict in Europe, Asia, Africa and the Americas.
Non merci 🤫
It was not. There was the Nine Years' War (1688-1697), War of the Spanish Succession (1701-1715) and War of the Austrian Succession (1740-1748).
@@johnnotrealname8168 Seven Years Wat 1756-1763. Whole entry on wiki about it and how it was a GLOBAL conflict.
You're welcome.
@@archstanton6102 You wrote about how it is the actual First World War, it was not.
@@johnnotrealname8168 I said 'often described as". This is correct. Do some research.
There was conflict in Asia, Europe, N America, Latin America, Africa, Philippines,
It involved most of Europe's major powers.
What other wars involved battles on so many continents?
Amazing video! but I suggest covering more of Georgia's history with abkhazia even though most of the fighting took place in Ossetia. in Abkhazia during 1989, Georgian Independence sentiment was rising, conflict broke out between Georgian civilians and forces between Abkhaz and Armenian separatists aided by Russian forces. The Russians won the conflict and ended up killing 5,000 Georgians and deporting 250,000 out of Abkhazia, as well as attempting to repopulate the area with their allies civilians.
The President of Georgia who was removed from the revoloution was the former MOFA of Gorbachev and allowed the German Reunifaction
Fast forward to this year and Russia’s assumption that Ukraine would be as easy as Georgia seems to have backfired big time. The Russian military is NOT the invincible bear that they made the world believe.
And this fucking time we're going to make them suffer. Either get Putin out of office and move the country into 2022 or we need to starve them into submission
Thing is that Ukraine and the west more or less anticipated Russian attack but it seemed close to impossible for Russia to invade a neighbor in 21st century. Before the war Ukraine was supplied with some weaponry and volunteer fighters. Georgia had only useless diplomats who only wished to remain in their seats nice and comfortable. Sarkozy tried to mediate between Georgia and Russia just because he needed some popularity for upcoming elections not like he really cared about fate of Georgia. He actually requested Georgian president to capitulate and do as Russians demanded.
Oh yes it's invincible. When bullying smaller countries with smaller or weaker militaries.
@@haveongatey3267 except Ukraine didn’t launch a war of aggression against Russia. Seems like the new-age Hitler sits in Moscow. Reality is that the state of the Russian military is a reflection of the country of Russia itself. Both are rotten to the core and paper tigers that can’t even defeat a country like Ukraine. Russian propaganda keeps talking about how they’re fighting NATO in Ukraine. LOL. Russia is fighting Ukrainians armed with a few of NATO’s weapons. It’s very clear that Russia wouldn’t be able to take on a single country in NATO, let alone the entire alliance.
Weak, incompetent, corrupt, completely lacking in morals, and cowardly = the Russian military.
@@haveongatey3267 First Russia doesn’t have the manpower or resources that the USSR did. Russian army has also been severely crippled by corruption and inept leadership. Second, unlike in WW2 where soviets were being invaded and struggling for their existence, the current Russian army doesn’t have incentive to struggle on this war and endure the huge sacrifice they did in WW2.
Third, warfare has changed a lot since WW2 and using the soviet union victories has examples doesn’t really mean much since cheer numbers and numerical advantage isn’t so important has it war.
And by this point in the UKR-RU war we can see the faults of the Russian army and how incompetent they are as a fighting force, accept it, Russia isn’t the historical military powerhouse it used to be, and Putin condemned is country to disgrace
Hi Simon, would love to hear you do a video on the last deadly war on Europe in the 20th century - Yugoslav wars
The Dutch journalist was not a journalist. It was an RTL newscrew cameraman and editor, Stan Storimans. The civilians were targeted.
Thanks For The Video, There Are Minor Mistakes anyways, The War Lasted 12 Days And ETC.
Also My Dad Was Fighting In 1992-1993 And 2008
First European war in 21st century was the war in Macedonia (2001). You can also include insurgency in Southern Serbia (Preševo valley), which begun in 1999, and also ended in 2001.
russia attack georgia in 1992-93 and took place called abkhazia
Georgian here, thank you for this excellent video! but, one mistake, Eduard Shevardnadze was not pro-Russian, on the contrary :D
Greetings from Nelson Mandela's South Afrika 🇿🇦.....
Respect to the host - Simon ....love the exotic way U present it...easy to follow ....God bless
Throughout these many years, the only things I've learned from Simon are Vessi's are waterproof, never write down your crimes, and the past was the worst.
I'm sure someone has said this but I would definitely like to see one about the current Ukraine-Russia war. There's obviously alot about it but you go more in depth on the actual conflict and politics, whereas alot of things are focused on the people right jow.
A few years will be necessary.
"The Russian military performed poorly". That's the slogan of the entire Russian Armed forces for the last century. "Why would we need a good well trained military when we have a BIG military!". Hopefully the invasion of Ukraine results in Putin being removed from power, and hopefully the Russian people take inspiration from the Italians with how they finally dealt with Mussolini.
I hope you’re just referring to the 21st Century?
Modern Russian strategy: When you can't beat the enemy's soldiers, bomb civilians, so your soldiers can hide like cowards.
When in the 20th century would his statement of been incorrect?
@@michaelhellwinkle9999 The Russo Japanese War, World War 1, the Winter war, the Soviet Polish war and the Afghanistan War
@@lordofdarkness4204 in all those cases they had poorly trained but large militaries. That was op's point
I am from Georgia and this is the most clear and accurate video I've seen about the war. Some of the information even was new for me. Great job! As for the Abkhazia and South Ossetia, yeah. This is our territory and we will take it back.
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@@Sakdinon2538 u out of your sick mind?
@@Sakdinon2538 what is wrong with you can't believe this kind of people exist
Top work Simon.
Thanks Simon. I wasn't paying any attention to world events when this happened and, in light of recent events, highly appreciate the recap here.
Hot take: maybe we need to stop worrying about "starting" a world war cause Russia obviously needs to be stopped.
Go stop yourself
The Burevestnik
I think it's a big mistake that the west has been (now slowly less) constantly trying to gauge how far we can go in supporting ukraine without provoking a russian escalation. putin does not need provocation to escalate, we currently have no indication that we have sny control over how far he goes. really what we're doing by worrying about escalation is just to let putin choose unilaterally how far he wants to escalate, and be sure that we won't then step it up further than he wanted it.
Putin is the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler! Just like in 1938, Hitler wouldn't stop his aggression until major Powers foil his evil plans.
Georgia is the new Czechoslovakia! The international community should've punish Russia thoroughly in this War!
"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to stand by and do absolutely nothing" - Sir Edmund Burke
Or.....the propaganda you're fed is doing its job....but Russia is actually correct.
My wife is Georgian and she has told me about how she was visiting back home in Tbilisi when this went down. Amazing parallels to the current situation in Ukraine, but luckily Ukraine is much larger and has more capability to fight back. If Russia is wondering why these countries all want to join NATO, it's because they are right next to a big a$$hole that keeps invading it's neighbors.
Russia 🇷🇺 hasn't got much in the territory it controls(!) 😂😂
Why not?
Oh yes, orders of a dictatorship haha
NATO should’ve been disbanded when the Soviet Union collapsed. But it keeps expanding, putting Russia in a position it does not want to be in.
@@Primal-Weed sure, yeah. They have to defensively invade. I'm sure if NATO, which is literally just a defensive alliance, didn't exist then Russia wouldn't feel so darned rushed to have to invade its neighbors when the pickin's good!
Gotta conquer before these smaller countries can gain strong enough allies to fight them off!
"Crimea" river
@@Primal-Weed "boohoo if I don't invade everyone now then they'll all have friends before they have a chance!"
-Putin (probably)
@@Primal-Weed Well Russia rebuilt itself after the USSR (CCCP) collapse in 1991 with Boris Yeltsin. In charge, and past 2000 with global warming heating up frozen Siberia, Russia may well indeed be the much BIGGER superpower it once was.
Especially for food production.
Fear not 🇷🇺
It still has many ace cards 👌
Began just like the war in Ukraine today... So sad that war isn't only in our history books
The US was paying attention to the Georgian conflict and tensions before the war in 2008 even former President Bush Jr went to Georgia on a state visit to try and negotiate with the Georgian government on joining NATO
He was so well received that they even named the main street to and from the Airport in the Capital of Tiblisi after him
@@rejvaik00 just a minor correction - "try and negotiate with the Georgian government on joining NATO" is wrong. Georgia made an official request to join NATO in 2002. Even before Saakashvili and the Rose Revolution that are mentioned in this video. Georgia has been aspiring to join NATO for 20 years now, so Bush didn't need to negotiate anything with the Georgian government. The reason why NATO is not taking in Georgia and Ukraine is that Germany and France have been vetoing it. My assumption is that they are afraid of Russia. Hopefully, Russia loses the current war in Ukraine in a shameful way, and it will make Germany and France change their minds.
@@rejvaik00 US stirring trouble in the world again.
@@rezolomidze6969 no that's incorrect just like with Ukraine who also made a formal NATO joining request in 2004 and again in 2008 they, Georgia, needed to negotiate with NATO at large
And that's what was also going on in 2002 in addition to the Bush Jr visit
The US plays a lead but they don't control the entirety of NATO, governments must negotiate with other aspiring members as each current member needs to unanimously vote in new members
Just like what we saw with Turkey in regards towards Sweden
Your “su-24 Fencer” looks an awful lot like a MiG-31 Foxhound…
All the best to everyone
u got me to research pictures of aircraft. gj, well spotted :)
Scenes from 12:38 to 12:51 were recorded in Georgian city of Gori, not in Tskhinvali.
Thanks for the video about Georgia, there are few details to be mentioned, i will talk about facts:
1. When we say Abkhazia wanted independence, we should say that Apsua people, which was part of Abkhazian population was 17%, Georgians more than 250 000 people who later flew abkhazia because of genocide and mass murder were more than 60% of population and they never wanted Abkhazia not to be part of Georgia. Many Apsua people did not wanted it too, but russia did great job with his military power to create conflict.
2. South osetia never existed, osetians are alans and alans always lived in the north of caucasus, in later centurys alans were integrated in georgian community, even now more alans live in controlled teritory of georgia in peace, than in so called south ossetia, which is connected with russia with only one tunnel and roas built during soviet union on caucasus mountains.
3. 12:35 minute, woman i Georgian, after russian havy bombardment of town gori.
4. Still Georgians are getting killed and tortured if they walk somewhere near so called border.
5. Conflict will end after russia is destroyed in ukraine, cause it is a terrorist state.
Russia will not be destroyed in Ukraine.
@@edmurks236 already destroyed :)) Many Russian citizens will feel it after a few years
@@edmurks236 It already is getting destroyed. Slowly. It's reputation as a dangerous world power is already destroyed. It has revealed itself to be a paper tiger to the entire world. Soon, the whole state will collapse. As do all empires. Russia is a multiethnic state, an empire, remember? All empires and multiethnic states are ultimately doomed.
you forgot about a little fact: during the Soviet Union, when the Georgians lived better than anyone (everyone understands why). Ossetians in South Ossetia (unfortunately it was annexed to Georgia) were forbidden to teach and learn the Ossetian language in schools. Ossetians were discriminated against, because of which many fled to North Ossetia, the Georgians also rewrote the names of Ossetians and put them at the end of shvili, and now they are Georgians, not Ossetians. and now you can say everywhere that Georgians have always lived there. maybe you don't know all this, I don't blame you. but don't lie about South Ossetia. Ossetia was united
@@AlikVL no my friend what i see is your low education about history and everything else.
1. Firstly it is not a fact that Georgia lived better than anyone else in comparison of production and all the economical factors involved. We still live better than let’s say most of post soviet countries. It doesn’t proof anything.
2.(everyone understands why) It is funnier than your other fact above. I guess you think that because of Stalin and Beria Georgians had heaven or a better position in soviet union. It is because of lack of your education too. here are some facts to educate you:
a) After soviet occupation because of Stalin, Georgia lost his territories which were internationally recognized by Soviet union too, to Every neighbor, you can check it easily.
b) One of the highest casualties in world war 2 per population in Soviet union. (If it was in our hands why we didn’t manage to save Georgians)
c) Stalin, Beria and later soviet leaders killed and displaced more than 800 000 Georgians.
3. Stalin Himself created autonomy south Osetia, which never existed before and always was named samachablo or shida kartli.
So first educate yourself before assuming some stupidity.
About this conflict:
It was is and always will be Georgia, international law is on our side, as all the democratic countries in international community. One day on thkinvali and sokhumi will wave georgian flag again. If someone wants to have Alan country created in Georgia sorry but it is not possible. He can go to the north of caucasus and live there. For the others this country is open, i am sure everyone will have possibilities to learn the language he wants to learn after georgian and live peacefully if someone doesn’t want to break law.
I remember this happening (via new in the US) but it was mostly ignored. I guess the past is prologue with Ukraine being invaded...
Something never change.
Thank you for this Video !
You have a crazy understanding of warfare. That's key to seeing what's happening with conflicts. Thanks for explaining it General.
An important aspect of this war is that Russians were performing military exercises in the area for months prior to the invasion.
And why did Russia do that?
the problem was that we didn't get proper support from NATO. the way in which we could be able to defend ourselves.
I remember seeing this too in
- The Grand Tour - sea to unsalty sea -
A Georgian farmer suddenly became Russian after the Russian army moved the border fence south when night fell.
The Joke of Nigel Mansels head was then removed from Richards Bentley. 😒
🇷🇺 🇬🇪
I knew a foreign exchange student in high school who was from Georgia. I didn’t know him well, but always wondered what happened to him.
Man been a while since I've watched but love you now have warograpics ha make that money man, all brill videos, thanks
„Today Georgia, tomorrow Ukraine, the day after tomorrow - Baltic States & later, perhaps, time will come for my country, Poland". - Lech Kaczyński, Tbilisi, 2008. Everyone warned the west, they did not listen and because of that today we have war in Ukraine
No, that's not why.
Interesting how similar Donbas 2014 was to Ossetia 2008.
Yes, but Samachablo is not "Ossetia." If Ivan and Ossetians can call Samachablo "south Ossetia" than I suppose we Georgians can call Russia "north Georgia" and claim it for ourselves. Eye for an eye tooth for the tooth.
@@TimtheEnchanter25 heh,very funny joke, about Russia like North Georgia 😁😆😅
Also for correct this called samachablo, but bolsheviks and Stalin with Beria made called it's south osetia ,cuz of ossetians there.
But fiction is , that's this region is semi ossetians and georgians, people of these two ethnicities were lived always together.
And you're right akans irons scytinians are ossetians , and they were lived from down south , and up to North ,so in Caucasians both regions too. So in Georgia Kartli too could live with other proto-georgian ethnicities.
@@maka2210angel9_devil No, not "always." We allowed these foreigners to live on our lands for some reason. The land has always been Georgian. It wouldn't be too different if the Turks start claiming parts of Germany they've settled after W W II, which they might at some point, actually. Any minority could claim the land as their own, then. that's what these os did. Alans aren't native to these lands. They just settled them, moved south at some point and settled our historic lands. Even so, Georgians were always the majority. Allowing them on our living space was a mistake. I don't know why our ancestors would make such an evolutionarily maladaptive decision. Because the Os dressed like us, maybe? Yeah let's just let these foreigners settle our lands, I am sure it'll all go fine and they won't carry out their own group interests and try to claim the land for themselves at some point... Right? I am ashamed. If the os don't wanna live among Georgians, they're more then welcome to move to Russia. But they won't take our lands along with them, sorry.
@@TimtheEnchanter25 I also didn't know why we allowed settle them here, maybe because they almost was same as us.
Or cuz they always were moved in place to places from southern iron to northern parts and was crossed Georgia and settled even everywhere and they was do this for contaplaine world and lands.
Why then from olden times every people ethnicities were always moved places by places and we're settled for long in those lands , for what we know already those countries.
I think that no matter minority or majority should already begun to live together and respect each other , so georgians and ossetians should begine respect each other and each other interest and live among together, then will be peace , and without deviding and claiming the land.
Also I'm not talking what they should take the lands , I'm telling for United Georgia with all lands together and with all ethnicities and everybody should learn respect each other and abkazians with georgians and ossetians too, but people who doesn't want to live in some of kind parts of autonomy inside Georgia or connected to Georgia , those ethnicities people can go to Russia.
Look how Russia lives wealthy and with big amount of ethnicities, lands, with slavic and non slavic , or look how big USA is and some kind Europe like South America or Spain.
We can live so too, with United ethnicities and with and in United Georgia.
If all ethnicities and Georgian ethnicities and all people who living in Georgia , will respect each other, then Georgia or any country can be United and strong.
Ossetians and Georgians should have same interests, it's how respect each other and to live without deviding something.
And people in country should think about great economy and workplaces and science development, that's it, but not discuss about who's land who's and hate each other's, it's about all georgians I'm telling , and all georgians and ossetians and abkazians.
@@maka2210angel9_devil No, multiethnic societies never last long. Yugoslavia, USSR, Nigeria, Cyprus. Different ethnicities cannot coexist in the same living space under the same state. Because man is tribal, not solitary. We always bend together with those more similar to us and carry out our own group interests irrespective of the outgroups. That's why multiethnic societies can never work, not without an iron fist of a strong government or a dictator like Stalin, Tito, or Putin for that matter. Russia is multiethnic, because it is an empire. And like all empires before it, it is doomed to collapse. Same goes for America. All empires and multiethnic civilizations collapse. But the ethnic group, the extended genetic kinship group, a tribe, it lives on. Georgia is not an empire though. It is a nation state. It's called "land of the kartvelians." So let it be so. It is our living space, not of anyone else. Everyone else have theirs. Let us have ours. We saw what terrible trouble having other ethnicities on your living space brings. Only madmen make the same mistake twice expecting different results.
I don't really care about the economy or wellbeing of this country, if it won't belong to my ethnic kin. If half the country is gonna be made up of non Georgians... why should I care about it? I am not gonna partake in building this country up for somebody else's children. If this country called "Georgia" won't belong to the people called "The Georgians" then I really don't care what happens to it. Why should I owe it any loyalty? I'll just leave and go to a better country, like Switzerland. They have more jobs, more opportunities, it's more democratic... Why would I stay here?
Brilliant video 📹
Balanced facts uncovered.
First time news
You have missed the part where Russian forces were accumulating near Georgian border for entire July. They claimed that accumulation was due to comprehensive military exercises.
Also, it’s a bit harsh to say that Shevardnadze was pro Russian. He to this day is a controversial political figure but not pro Russian.
Funny how Zelensky didn’t learn from Saakashvili mistake of trusting USA
Funny how the West never learned about Putin's aggressive imperialist agenda. Russia is a maffiosi terrorist state long before their unprovoked invasions of Ukraine
@@nobbynobbs8182 unprovoked😂🤣😂😅
If anything he really didn't. Because if he did, he wouldn't have accepted NATO aid, because the US didn't do shit for Georgia. And yet, here we are, and US aid is fulfilling its purpose in killing russian n1663r5
@@spaghetticat110 Georgia fell in days so NATO had no time to react.
Also, Ukraine has every right to self defend against the unprovoked russian aggression and deserves to be supported against Putin's terrorist state
Chechen wars next please ❤️
and footage of women asking for help is from city of Gori, AFTER russian bombardment !!
Add to the equation the recent verdict of the Hague's International Criminal Court rejecting Russia's absolutely every single complaint (and, on the other hand, accepting every single georgian one) over the War of 2008.
Fantastic video!
Unbelivable how they bully everyone near them.
Living in EU country for 25 y i met many Russians.Sadly but only few i could say they were really nice,down to Earth and pleasant.Most were just rude,arrogant and very unpleasant. To make the story more interesting i will add that a woman few years ago entered a shop asking if anyone was speaking Ru when the workers answered no she said " why in my country noone speaks my language".since i speak ru i told her " well this is not YOUR country"....And this is what they do all the time entering shops and asking do you speak ru.i am not obliged to speak ru , they are obliged to learn other languages.VERY IGNORANT!
So true, Russians are very arrogant and believe that everyone should kowtow to them and speak their language
People should know that "South Ossetia" is lying on historic Georgian land Tskhinvali, where Georgians(Actually Georgian majority) always have been living until forcibly expelled by Russians and separatists. These occupations and referendums are absolutely immoral and illegal. These are not wars for rights of some oppressed ethnicity, if Russia actually cared about Ossetians, they would give them independent republics on Russian territory(Where North Ossetia is), not on Georgian.
It’s amazing how many people look at Russia doing the same thing it did in Georgia, Moldova and Chechnya…and are like omg it’s NATO’s fault…like I’m really?
what's wrong with what Russia did in Chechnya? I mean, it did the same thing Ukraine is trying to do now - retaking separatist regions.
@@stvk99 excuse me?Russia literally genocided chechnyan people and north Caucasus is Conquered by Russia and it wasnt their land and they had no right to do it to chechnyans
@@tea1424 show me the UN reports of the supposed genocide then. Or every war is a genocide now? Funny how y'all got double standards when it comes to Russia or China. What you described is literally the history of US, Canada, Australia, etc... But of course it's not the same, those were good conquests, the natives deserved to be wiped out🤡
@@tea1424так восток и Донбасс это исторические земли русских и они там живут тысячу лет, даже регион называется Малороссия
@@アレクサンダーイワノフ write in English
More or less this was quite accurate description of the war between Georgia and Russia in August of 2008.
This is outstanding video. Thanks
The solution will come with the loss of only one man's life. And he is far from innocent.
Look up the pronunciations Simon!
AB-HAZ-EEA
OSS-ET-EEA
😉
Ossetia is actually georgian word 😆
I found out it now. 😆
In georgian language when we talk about country(i mean several countries, not all) we say name of the people + et (ex:russia- რუსეთი- russ-et-i)
Oss-et-i is actually georgian word.
It works only then, when a country has no its own name in georgian.
There is not doubt abkhazia is georgian word.
They think they are our enemy but still there is proof even their name is georgian😆
Georgian president said said our war is with Russia and not with South ossetia and the Russian government said our war is with AMERICA and NATO not Georgia . So I don't know who is fighting who
Thank you so much making a video about this
2008: Beijing hosted Olympics, Russia invaded Georgia
2022: Beijing hosted Winter Olympics, Russia invaded Ukraine
This is the war that put Georgia on the map in the minds of the collective Americans because when they first read those headlines in 2008 they were like:
_"What? The state of Georgia is being invaded by Russia?"_
Only the uneducated ones...
This was during the 2008 presidential election, so the American media hardly covered the conflict, so most Americans are still unaware there is a Georgia outside of the American south.
I saw it and Obama was too afraid and shocked to see Putin’s shadow crept. This moment made Americans question Putin and the so called Russian state
It’s like the Ukraine war, except Ukraine had this war to learn from and was diplomatically competent enough to get Western training and weapons.
Yeach this is similar like Ukrainian Russian war
As a georgian, I can say, that I should turn this video off after 2 minutes. Too much historical inaccuracies for 2 minutes
The one little detail that was wrong was that abkhazians and so called south ossetians (soviet name for the region, its called samachablo) support independence, majority of the population of both regions are refugees, including my family that had lived in abkhazia for 800 years, until 1993. Its like if 5 people lived in a house, then 3 were kicked out, one was intimidated into cooperating, one was fed lies, and a stranger moved into the house and then the stranger claimed that the majority of the house wanted the three to be kicked out
U provide excellent information and background history in presenting the conflict. BUT, ur talking too fast to absorb it; I recommend going at an average pace---it'll make the presentation much more enjoyable and educational. Thanks for the video.
Serious factboy, huh? Nice!
Russia used the excuse of genoside for this war too ? Heh
well at least in 2008 there were actual minorities and ethnic tensions. ossetians and abkhazians don't like Sakartvelo
you know just like chechens don't like russians (until they conquered the russia and now russians pay tribute to chechen khan)
the new war is entirely made up for no reason and russia just sucked kilometres of shlong to no gain
Russias response to everything is nazi and genocide
It's like the saying boy who Cryed wolf
russia uses the same playbook cause it's working. Would those orks have been slapped real back in the day, we would not have them bombing Ukraine...
It’s a depressingly common trick, to accuse Them of doing what you plan to do.
Oh really. Western propoganda failed back then as well th-cam.com/video/9fBGtXS66VM/w-d-xo.html