4680 Battery Pack: What We Found Under the Foam!

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  • Sandy and Cory give an update on the 4680 Battery Pack from our Austin-Built Tesla Model Y.
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  • @MunroLive
    @MunroLive  ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Limited Edition Pink Foam of Death Tee! Buy Now: munro-live-store.creator-spring.com/listing/pink-foam-of-death-band-tee

    • @turbinex_generators
      @turbinex_generators 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      th-cam.com/video/_Chif5XdNlc/w-d-xo.html

  • @medawson01
    @medawson01 ปีที่แล้ว +529

    I just love your videos, and I'm not an engineer. I'm just a 77 year-old grandmother waiting for my Tesla 3 RWD to be delivered this September. I'm so impressed with the Tesla technology. Can't wait for the next video!

    • @MunroLive
      @MunroLive  ปีที่แล้ว +71

      Hi Marguerite! thanks for watching.

    • @johnreese3762
      @johnreese3762 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Smart lady!

    • @ShopKeepArty
      @ShopKeepArty ปีที่แล้ว +15

      I camp in my tesla from time to time at great viewpoints then sketch/paint the views! It’s awesome 😎

    • @MrCarGuy
      @MrCarGuy ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@cathyjones4702 That's not exactly true

    • @JBoy340a
      @JBoy340a ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Once you go EV, you will never go back. Especially a Tesla with it's easy, reliable, and fast charging.

  • @MikeHeller
    @MikeHeller ปีที่แล้ว +231

    Following along with the tear down, very interesting. I will note that liquid nitrogen is no where near absolute zero, it's −196 °C (− 320 °F, 77 K). That may be cold enough for this recycling process but if you really want closer to absolute zero you need liquid helium which is -269 °C (−452 °F, 4 K).

    • @Narcissist86
      @Narcissist86 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      No one will be wasting helium to cool down batteries for recycling.

    • @KenLord
      @KenLord ปีที่แล้ว +70

      ya, the details were off - the low temperature isn't so that the materials can shatter, the low temperature stops or greatly slows down the chemical reactions - so that crushing it doesn't just short everything out and cause a thermal runaway from the residual charges in the batteries.
      Every drop in temp by 10 degrees C, halves the chemical reaction rate.

    • @ParameterGrenze
      @ParameterGrenze ปีที่แล้ว +38

      @@KenLord Actually, the low temperature of a liquid nitrogen bath is used to make composite materials brittle order to crush them. The cold temperature serves two main functions in order to brake complex artifacts apart: First the different expansion coefficients of each material breaks them apart at their contact surfaces because of different rates of contraction. Secondly, the cold temperature makes most amorphous polymers very brittle when a certain threshold temperature is reached, called the glas transition temperature tg. Most rubbery materials will become so brittle that a slight hammer stroke will pulverize them. So in the end, when you expose something like this battery pack to liquid nitrogen and than start hammering it I guess that pink polymer stuff will just pulverize immediately and the metallic components will fall apart into pieces that are made of aluminum, coper, steel aso

    • @KenLord
      @KenLord ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@ParameterGrenze ok cool ... BUT LITERALLY NO. It's about not causing a thermal runaway from shorting out the residual charges in the batteries. After that it's just a freaking jaw crusher, or multiple stages of commonplace crushing equipment chewing away at it all.
      You learn about how temperature affects reaction rates (Every 10 deg C cooler halves the rate) in high school chemistry, or at the latest in 100 level university chemistry.
      There's nothing inherently difficult about pulverizing the materials that would require that it be so cold to enable it to shatter. This stuff isn't Vibranium.
      The prototype liquid nitrogen system made by a startup company was shown off in a Now You Know episode a year or two ago, with the purpose of it all being exactly what I've described. I'd provide the link if I had it.

    • @stevenf1678
      @stevenf1678 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@ParameterGrenze My understanding is that recycling tires involves freezing the tire with liquid nitrogen and crushing it to separate the metal belts from the rubber.

  • @johnpoldo8817
    @johnpoldo8817 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    There must be thousands of engineers like me really enjoying these videos. Thank you Cory & Sandy!

    • @GuyFromGeorgia
      @GuyFromGeorgia ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Well, I'm not an engineer but I sure enjoyed their seeming amazement at what they're trying to take apart. And hats off to Elon! He's upended the need for a patent. I mean, if someone can't break down your contraption to figure out how it works, why get a patent?

    • @michaelnoble2432
      @michaelnoble2432 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And even more engineers (like me) who wince at the clueless statements such as the claim that liquid nitrogen is "just a little bit above absolute zero".

    • @jamesdaniel947
      @jamesdaniel947 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well, I am not a professional engineer, although I played one in Transportation and Environmental Protection for state government. I have been taking things apart to see how they worked since I was a child. Sometimes I had to get my very smart father to help me get it back together again, but I was learning. I get the feeling that these guys (and many who watch them) had a similar background before they went to college in engineering.

  • @Enemji
    @Enemji ปีที่แล้ว +107

    This is a time when someone took Munro’s advise and pushed it so far that even Munro is feeling the shock

  • @farzyness
    @farzyness ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Shoutout to Cory looking FIT! Also thank you as always gentlemen for your hard work!

    • @MunroLive
      @MunroLive  ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Thanks Farzad! Cory is down 40lbs.

    • @eclecticcyclist
      @eclecticcyclist ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@MunroLive The key is reducing refined carbohydrate intake.

    • @farzyness
      @farzyness ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@MunroLive good for him! Nebraska might need his help this year to get to 12-0.

    • @1Jbeats
      @1Jbeats ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sandy's fat jokes finally got to him. :(

    • @ProbeGT2
      @ProbeGT2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He's reduced his consumption of threaded fatteners 😅

  • @allenrout
    @allenrout ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Liquid Nitrogen is -196C. 80 degrees higher than absolute zero. And ... atoms don't "fall apart" if they get too cold. I know chilling the packs for grinding is a useful tactic; but that hurt to hear.

    • @Muonium1
      @Muonium1 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I cringed a bit. also, don't they have an FTIR for plastic ID??

    • @RotorWorks
      @RotorWorks ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe discharge to zero and grind them down in a normal crusher plant?

    • @williamvaughan1218
      @williamvaughan1218 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Cooling it down makes I brittle therefore better for grinding to a powder.

    • @paul_vlad
      @paul_vlad ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Surprised at this knowledge gap. Very cringy indeed.

    • @scottgaree7667
      @scottgaree7667 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@RotorWorks Batteries coming in for recycling stand a good chance of being damaged, so discharging might not be possible. Freezing does greatly limit the potential discharge rate, so avoids the thermal event with visual indications.

  • @jimbob3823
    @jimbob3823 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Bloody fascinating!! Thank you for sharing the knowledge, you are an awesome group of experts and your videos are groundbreaking!

  • @NarutoUzamaki070
    @NarutoUzamaki070 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You guys are awesome! Its amazing to see the 4680 pack like that. Cant wait for more MUNRO LIVE!

  • @MajorMinorGolf
    @MajorMinorGolf ปีที่แล้ว +121

    Hahaha the total miss of Talladega Knights reference is peak Sandy. Don't ever start feeling lucky btw Sandy, glad you guys always play it safe!

    • @KCJbomberFTW
      @KCJbomberFTW ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nights

    • @KCJbomberFTW
      @KCJbomberFTW ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Actually Knights makes more sense with that movie honestly

    • @snazzy
      @snazzy ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You’ve now made me want a medieval version of Talladega Nights but instead of NASCAR it’s jousting.

    • @KCJbomberFTW
      @KCJbomberFTW ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@snazzy Alabama Jousting with a gay Frenchman 🤣

    • @MajorMinorGolf
      @MajorMinorGolf ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@KCJbomberFTW oh my goodness, no kidding you have informed me that it's Nights lol and yeah! That's exactly why I thought it was Knights, two courageous Knights lol

  • @phxees
    @phxees ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Thanks for addressing recycling!

    • @BillyLapTop
      @BillyLapTop ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I like the liquid nitrogen hypothesis. It seems to conform to Elon's approach for simplicity.

    • @turbinex_generators
      @turbinex_generators 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      th-cam.com/video/_Chif5XdNlc/w-d-xo.html

  • @dan92677
    @dan92677 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent !!! I really enjoy the way that you all tell us EVERYTHING, not just the recap. Keep it up. Super product that you're producing !!!

  • @dukequack6209
    @dukequack6209 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Its good to see Cory growing into his own and taking the lead more and more, especially highlighted when Sandy was away and he was the main driver of these video reports.
    Side note: The structural pack sure is intense.

    • @phantommedia9964
      @phantommedia9964 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And now he’s Chief Engineer at Lucid

  • @asimo3089
    @asimo3089 ปีที่แล้ว +164

    Thanks for explaining how recycling works. A bunch of “engineers” in the comments thought you pick apart the battery piece by piece. It’s much easier than that.

    • @envisionelectronics
      @envisionelectronics ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Those engineers work for the railroad.

    • @edman007x
      @edman007x ปีที่แล้ว +18

      It's still a reduction in recycling, there are a lot of people that want to reuse the cells (reduce, REUSE, recycle), when the car has 300k on it and the pack is at 60% capacity you want to reuse the cells, they would still be good for a while as grid/home energy storage. Essentially, this foam seems like it makes reuse of the cells impossible.

    • @kentkjrgaardjensen4304
      @kentkjrgaardjensen4304 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I was just about to thank them for doing this. I didnt know it was that easy to recycle. My first though When i saw All the pink stuff was also that it Will be a nightmare to recycle. I really learned something important here ☺️

    • @rogerstarkey5390
      @rogerstarkey5390 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@edman007x
      If you ever looked at the first patents for the structural pack you would already know the foam was going to be there.

    • @Xanthopteryx
      @Xanthopteryx ปีที่แล้ว +15

      This clearly eliminates the most important part: Repairing and Refurbishing and then Reusing in other applications and lastly comes Recycling.
      And that bullshit about recycling with liquid nitrogen and all that, it does not work like that. It is not viable to do because of cost and complexity.

  • @airheart1
    @airheart1 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Sounds like Sandy needs a Talladega night! Movie night at Munro! Lol

  • @smashICE1
    @smashICE1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome, thanks for showing us what's going on in the battery pack. You guys rock!

  • @BexieBoy
    @BexieBoy ปีที่แล้ว

    Big thanks to the team at Munro for delivering these high quality and educational videos. I do not understand most of it but still find these comparisons incredibly fascinating

  • @yunque30gmail
    @yunque30gmail ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Woohoo, great job guys!
    We all thank you!

  • @10melvis
    @10melvis ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thank you for these informative tear down videos. Learn something new every time.

    • @MunroLive
      @MunroLive  ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you like them!

  • @glen8449
    @glen8449 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another great video. I enjoy watching you and your team break things down and explain the working parts. Thank you, Glen.

  • @sryev9410
    @sryev9410 ปีที่แล้ว

    Incredible work guys, despite the hard work sweat and tears this is a huge world first and you are uncovering all this engineering for amateurs and professionals alike

  • @MrBadgas
    @MrBadgas ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Another great episode of “Engineering Archeology”. Dig it.

    • @JBoy340a
      @JBoy340a ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Or "what the heck does that do?"

    • @MrBadgas
      @MrBadgas ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JBoy340a “it sucks in air”…..”that’s definitely suck’n

  • @MorganWalser
    @MorganWalser ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You guys are amazing. Thank you for all this information which you put out there, truly appreciate it.

  • @aware2action
    @aware2action ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wonderful as always. Glad the cells are intact(payoff from lots of patience and persistence with lots of restraint. Kudos to the Munro team). Now Munro gets to baptize the term for bricking the unbrickable into the English vocabulary.
    Suspect there are reserve cells and also
    some kind of one time fuse technology to add them later. Seems like a good mitigation technique to address premature loss of capacity in the first generation 4680 cells.

  • @johncandelario294
    @johncandelario294 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love the series , like the objective talk and love how your business is no pivoting to this vehicles and hope it’s thriving !

  • @nicks-fix
    @nicks-fix ปีที่แล้ว +16

    The “bee’s nest” looks like the collector output for the individual abs base caps for each of the cells. The gas from an over charged cell needs to go somewhere.

  • @Stefan_Dahn
    @Stefan_Dahn ปีที่แล้ว +3

    0:10 Blasted away with dry ice, like I suggested.👍 You're welcome.😁
    Greetings from Stefan in Germany. 🇩🇪🤝🇺🇲
    Thanks from the great video again! 👌

    • @MunroLive
      @MunroLive  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for the tip!

    • @Stefan_Dahn
      @Stefan_Dahn ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MunroLiveI can feel the hard "archealogical" work you are going through. I'm glad my tiny hint helped you a bit. Keep going Munro team! 👍👍

  • @cathyjones4702
    @cathyjones4702 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for answering the recycling question! Super fascinating

  • @NextGenEvs
    @NextGenEvs ปีที่แล้ว +32

    You should make a dedicated video explaining the recycling process. Would be great to have an easily shareable video to address the huge misconceptions going around. Sandy’s explanation was fantastic

    • @KDR816
      @KDR816 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How would they know? They are not recycling specialists. We have only the Elon's twit about it so far

    • @Jushwa
      @Jushwa ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Oh they just bury the pack in the ground that’s it

    • @anonym3017
      @anonym3017 ปีที่แล้ว

      Here’s how VW does it.
      th-cam.com/video/LABwwX960mk/w-d-xo.html
      Shredder instead of grinder, no LN, cyclotron instead of floating separation the rest is the same.

    • @anonym3017
      @anonym3017 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Jushwa yeah let’s just burry a few grand worth of raw materials in the ground.

    • @KenLord
      @KenLord ปีที่แล้ว +2

      A small startup prototyped the liquid nitrogen system a few years ago. The temperature isn't dropped to make the materials shatter more easily ... it's dropped to stop or greatly reduce the chemical reaction rate, so that crushing and tearing apart the battery doesn't cause a thermal runaway from the residual charges.
      Every 10 degrees C drop in temperature halves the chemical reaction rate.
      So it simply won't be necessary to manually disassemble each pack and module bolt by bolt, the way some are doing right now.
      Floatation cells have been used in the mills at base metal mines for probably a hundred years. Crushed ore goes in, high grade concentrate comes out. Chemicals in the slurry control how different materials float to the top in the floatation cells at each stage of the circuit, to separate different materials.

  • @ick5353
    @ick5353 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thank you for sharing the insights you glean from your hard work with your audience for free!
    LOL! Love the Rocky Bobby reference at the end!

    • @skipondowntheroad5833
      @skipondowntheroad5833 ปีที่แล้ว

      Rocky Bobby? Is that the boxing brother of Ricky Bobby?

    • @ick5353
      @ick5353 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@skipondowntheroad5833 LOL meant to type Ricky.

  • @melissahildreth3526
    @melissahildreth3526 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another fantastic, and informative video! Thank you, guys!

  • @kirbysadventures8000
    @kirbysadventures8000 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So happy sandy explained the recycling process.

  • @beauhause
    @beauhause ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Great content guys. Appreciate you doing these tear downs, always learn something. What do I do with my hands!

    • @MunroLive
      @MunroLive  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for watching Beau!

  • @Huddit
    @Huddit ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great job guys!

  • @Fatum0722
    @Fatum0722 ปีที่แล้ว

    Munro rock, no one ever could imagination what is inside without You guys, Big thanks for sharing !

  • @DIZZYDAZZLER2011
    @DIZZYDAZZLER2011 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really do love this gentleman's explanation on how to recycle this battery once its dead, learn something new everyday. Thumbs up!!

  • @LanceT.
    @LanceT. ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's really interesting to see how they put it together!

  • @PaulMcElroyWasHere
    @PaulMcElroyWasHere ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Can you guys at Munro find the vendor for the foam and ask what their take on this is? I'm guessing they have a specialty solvent that will ignore the other plastics. Reuse > Recycle > Waste

    • @Barskor1
      @Barskor1 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Or you just use the whole damned thing and plug it into a new battery storage system.

    • @stevenson720
      @stevenson720 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Barskor1 yep, after a car then it's house storage, milk whatever is left that way. Only need to grind it up when it's totally gone.

    • @_PatrickO
      @_PatrickO ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@stevenson720 No. It is into the grinder for recycling. Recycling the minerals reduces the cost of new packs. "reuse" in the slogan "reduce, reuse, and recycle" is there just because most things cannot be recycled to make it seem like you are helping when you aren't. The low volume of people reusing EV packs is absolutely meaningless. Recycling 100% of packs is the real deal. This is what we need to close the loop. Once peak minerals are reached in the recycling loop, new mining is greatly reduced. Reuse for silly one off projects prevents recycling. Tesla will eventually hit people with a massive core charge if they keep their old packs because recycling is necessary to keep costs down and reduce pollution.

    • @Barskor1
      @Barskor1 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@stevenson720 Indeed simple and practical.

    • @Barskor1
      @Barskor1 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@_PatrickO That is end-of-life processing till then there is plenty of capacity in a EV battery.

  • @caesarforlife1663
    @caesarforlife1663 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool walk through once again. Thanks guys!!

  • @FutureSystem738
    @FutureSystem738 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks gentlemen- fabulous stuff, as usual!

  • @Clark-Mills
    @Clark-Mills ปีที่แล้ว +18

    This is an early structural pack, the four modules have been shown in the Tesla promo videos so no surprise there. Tesla said that this is essentially a generation-1 pack that just gets the job done. There is a ton of space for the product to evolve; and evolve it will. I look forward to the pack teardown in a year and two. :)

    • @markplott4820
      @markplott4820 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      TESLA innovates at LIGHTSPEED.

    • @WarezCommentary
      @WarezCommentary ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@markplott4820 how many fanboys here ...

    • @themonsterunderyourbed9408
      @themonsterunderyourbed9408 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@WarezCommentary Regardless of fanboy status, it's the objective truth. Every other manufacturer is still using pouch cells 😂

  • @BenefitOfTheDoubtInquiry
    @BenefitOfTheDoubtInquiry ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The incremental teardown over the last few weeks is suspense intense. I'm loving and hate the pace here lol

  • @thezs5
    @thezs5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks guys! Keeping tearing this puppy apart!!! Love your videos!

  • @claudiomarinangeli2360
    @claudiomarinangeli2360 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great content as usual, Sandy and team. Can’t wait to know more.

  • @tianjohan4633
    @tianjohan4633 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    You guys rock hard. Keep picking at the pack and sharing.

    • @JB-dv7ew
      @JB-dv7ew ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes I'm rock hard from this.

  • @tangent2658
    @tangent2658 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Have you tested the thermal dissipation qualities of the pink foam?

  • @LegendaryInfortainment
    @LegendaryInfortainment ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank all of you for that report (so far). I never expected my assumption of recycling strategy to be even nearly correct. Back to the show!

  • @jaydeister9305
    @jaydeister9305 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great report! Seeing vehicles being dissembled is very educational, especially the electric genre!

  • @Teddy_M85
    @Teddy_M85 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Shake and Bake!!! Great work @Munrolive keep the videos coming... As a MYP owner, my only gripe besides QC and Service is the amount of plastics in the interior. I get that threaded fasteners should be eliminated when possible but I've had quite a few plastic fasteners break with normal usage. I can't imagine long term durability. Car is a joy to own though and on the plus side the plastic parts are easy to replace. No car is perfect and I'm sure durability will continue to increase as more data comes in.

    • @markplott4820
      @markplott4820 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Apparently , TESLA is Launching F1 race style Service PITTS .
      to shorten wait times.

  • @PikaPilot
    @PikaPilot ปีที่แล้ว +3

    thank you for addressing the recycling concerns! I found it very annoying how much people were confusing service-ability with recycling-ability. Keep up the fascinating work!

    • @TheFPSPower
      @TheFPSPower ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's still a concern because it's Reduce> Reuse > Recycle and Tesla is straight up deleting the Reuse possibility, you can't scavenge good modules to put in another car that needs it, if a few cells fail this whole thing needs to be replaced for a stupid amount of money.

    • @PikaPilot
      @PikaPilot ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TheFPSPower the whole point of having so many cells is that some can fail while the rest of the pack can carry on. by the time the battery pack is unfit for use, there is nothing of interest that can be reused, and the sheer amount of nickel within these packs means that it is more productive to recycle than reuse.
      keep in mind, it takes some seriously good engineering to design something that is used so thoroughly that by the time it is at the end of its lifespan, there is nothing to reuse.

    • @anonym3017
      @anonym3017 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TheFPSPower yeah only exchanging one module in a Tesla battery isn’t a viable solution anyway as the BMS is unable to balance new and old leading to another module biting the dust quickly.
      And it can still be used in stationary energy storage if the pack works.

  • @techiheed1845
    @techiheed1845 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ace presentation, makes me smile and interested further. Great work!

  • @jbarvideo12
    @jbarvideo12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fabulous inervies Sandy and Cory. Can't wait for your next episode.

  • @144Donn
    @144Donn ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I am sure Tesla Engineers are watching this and having a very satisfying chuckle as the the pride wells up in them for having stumped Sandy and co.

  • @arcadiushakim3675
    @arcadiushakim3675 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    Cory, Sandy and team Great video. Interesting comment from Sandy, 'Telsa does not have a limit on their capacity to invent' This permanent foam approach, a person can never do maintenance on this type of battery pack, means Telsa has lots of faith it will have extremely low failure rate.

    • @rogerstarkey5390
      @rogerstarkey5390 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Not to mention (to all the "but service" commenters) but if it's under warranty and fails, you get a complete new pack, *WINNER*
      If it hasn't failed by then, it's likely to last much longer.

    • @_PatrickO
      @_PatrickO ปีที่แล้ว

      It also means ultium is a joke. It is designed for serviceability because GM has zero faith in their batteries. The companies that cut corners to reduce warranty risks will have less efficient cars that cannot compete. Tesla can probably recycle an entire pack to base minerals for less cost than a single in warranty cell replacement on an ultium pack.

    • @normanbayona4636
      @normanbayona4636 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@rogerstarkey5390 yeah, this makes sense. Also, if you remember from the earlier videos from when they dropped the structural pack, it was among the simplest to remove from the rest of the car Munroe has torn down, iirc anyway. Meaning that once these are manufactured at scale, this is going to be a relatively simple procedure, decades from now when you finally do want to replace your battery because the rest of your car held up for 400K miles. And it will probably be cheaper and more energy dense by then as well.

    • @andrewholdaway813
      @andrewholdaway813 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Capacity to correct their errors and restart the learning curve for manufacturing.

    • @DavidJohnson-tv2nn
      @DavidJohnson-tv2nn ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@rogerstarkey5390 What do you say to people buying a used vehicle outside of warranty? Too bad, go buy a new battery?

  • @noobcaekk
    @noobcaekk ปีที่แล้ว +1

    HAHAHA The Ricky Bobby reference at the end and Sandy's reaction were gold. Great video, super excited for the future of this teardown!

  • @davidbrubaker5146
    @davidbrubaker5146 ปีที่แล้ว

    We share your excitement of discovery and I look forward to every one of these videos.

  • @inelonwetrust9169
    @inelonwetrust9169 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks for these tear downs. Always fascinating seeing things that the normal folks never would see. The engineering involved is 🤯!

  • @joeclutchless1944
    @joeclutchless1944 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Looks like the 800 dollar price tag for one cell might turn into a money losing proposition for Munro! This pack is going to take hundreds of hours to take apart.

  • @dougk5456
    @dougk5456 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great reveal!! It will be interesting to see how other manufacturers make their battery packs.

  • @erickessler6094
    @erickessler6094 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks!

  • @thomasgaudette7367
    @thomasgaudette7367 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Flat wire is sometimes used to reduce inductance. Not sure if it applies here.
    It's also often used for high current connections by ultrasonic wedge bonding.

    • @mattgraham4340
      @mattgraham4340 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I wouldn't expect inductance to be an issue for DC, but perhaps the inverter draws current from the battery pack in high frequency pulses. I would think that a flat wire also has superior heatsinking potential.

    • @Paxmax
      @Paxmax ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mattgraham4340

    • @jgramsey
      @jgramsey ปีที่แล้ว

      They are fusable links and flat ribbon wire is used rather than traditional round wire since it provides a better wire to substrate bond. The flat wide surface of the wire works well with the wedge tool bonding 'head'.

    • @danlewis243
      @danlewis243 ปีที่แล้ว

      Another example, internal welder connections. I would guess also easy to spot weld flat wire. Looks like from what can be seen none of the battery cases are inverted as a way to series the 4680 voltages. Excited to see when they get the rest of the top cover off as to how everything is connected

    • @scottgaree7667
      @scottgaree7667 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@danlewis243 The batteries have positive and negative on one end, so no need to invert any. This is fairly common in the industry for exactly that reason. The entire bottom, sides, and part of the top are all anode.

  • @SmartMart1658
    @SmartMart1658 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great work guys!

    • @MunroLive
      @MunroLive  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, Martin!

  • @normangebhardt2092
    @normangebhardt2092 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Sandy and Cory for this battery pack update. Looking forward to the next video.

  • @jarrodcrano6772
    @jarrodcrano6772 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks guys 👍👏

  • @LosZonga
    @LosZonga ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Sandy & Cory at the Tesla event you could see the exploded version of the battery pack with the inter cell side cooling channels. At such bigger volume for individual cells, it makes sense to cool the biggest surface and that is the side of it for sure. I bet the foam is thermal insulator, sound proofing against the road noise, structural rigidity improvement and fire retardant. It is a genius design and amassing innovation of what a structural battery pack, never attempted before, should be.

    • @patreekotime4578
      @patreekotime4578 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yep. But there were many people who doubted that would actually go into the product. Bottom plate cooling was reiterated again and again by just about every Tesla channel after Battery Day so that it became the common consensus. Interesting, Lucid IS doing it, but Tesla isnt.

    • @areitu
      @areitu ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It'll be very interesting to see how the cooling channels are arranged and why Tesla is sticking with side-cooling. Cylindrical don't heat up evenly--they generate heat from the inside out, bottom to top, which is why pack designs like Lucid's, use end-cooling. Tesla might be using side-cooling due to manufacturing considerations or due to them building one big battery pack rather than a series of modules inside a pack

    • @carholic-sz3qv
      @carholic-sz3qv ปีที่แล้ว

      You mean a battery pack that is essentially just something to throw away after the use in the car right!? Because there is absolutely no way that thing can be reused for other applications after the car life! That’s a disaster

    • @patreekotime4578
      @patreekotime4578 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@carholic-sz3qv Yes it absolutely can and will. Stable storage is a MUCH more pressing demand than overpriced conversions.

  • @NeilBoltonRSPL
    @NeilBoltonRSPL ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Thanks for describing the simplicity of the recycling process, and the big lump of nearly pure ore that constitutes the battery.

  • @Big.Ron1
    @Big.Ron1 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is all very interesting. Its amazing what Tesla is doing. And to think its all completely recyclable. Very cool. Thank you.

  • @ivankuljis1780
    @ivankuljis1780 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    309K Subscribers!
    WhooooHooooo! Going for 600K soooooooooooon!

  • @AndyKopac
    @AndyKopac ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The foam part reminds me of boator surfboard composite construction techniques.

  • @yangwang7289
    @yangwang7289 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    First of all, great video breaking apart the different components! One thing I am wondering is the composition of the pinkish foam. Is it fire proof? How it’s helping cooling the battery? It must be some kind of high efficiency thermal-conducting material right?

    • @markplott4820
      @markplott4820 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      YES, fire retardent foam , extingushes fire , creates protective barrier so adjacent cells dont catch fire also acts as a Insualtor .
      does not help cool the battery , acts as Insulation , like a ice chest.
      the Active cooling come from the Ribbons filled w/ non flamable Coolant.

  • @647ohyeah
    @647ohyeah ปีที่แล้ว

    I love what you do. Thanks for sharing.

  • @tlow5766
    @tlow5766 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great insights. Thanks a lot!!!

  • @karmakh
    @karmakh ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Finally another episode on the 4680! Keep it up!

  • @anthonypelchat
    @anthonypelchat ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Edit: I am wrong below. It will 828 cells, unless they do something different on other packs. The next row will be 35 cells, and it will alternate between 34 and 35 cells. This does mean that it will be a 92s9p config, which is also lower voltage than current 2170 builds. Not sure why they would do that.
    "For the total number of cells, 816 makes more sense than 828. The pack is overall the number of cells in series multiplied by the number of cells in parallel. They have to both be whole numbers. Given that Tesla is still on a 400v architecture (between 350v and 450v max charge), you need around 100 cells in series to make that work. The only parallel numbers that work within that range are 8 and 9: 8 for 816 cells and 9 for 828 cells. 9 in parallel would mean 92 in series while 8 in parallel would mean 102 in series.
    While both work for a 400v architecture, 9 would be a lower voltage of 386v. When it comes to charging, the super chargers are amp limited due to heat. This is also the case with the controllers and motors. But this would be an unnecessary limit to charging speeds. 8 would be 428v. This would allow faster charging speeds for the same amount of amps. It would also allow the motors and controllers to run cooler."

    • @trent_carter
      @trent_carter ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I came up with the same math. 204 per section. 4 sections. Each section is two series strings of 102 cells. So a total cell count of 816 is very plausible.

    • @anthonypelchat
      @anthonypelchat ปีที่แล้ว

      @@trent_carter Thank you. I hadn't thought about the individual sections. Makes sense though, as each module would be identical in that. However, it would make it impossible to reduce voltage by separating the modules from each other.
      I kinda want to take a voltage meter to several connections. That would give series counts, which is the most important aspect when looking at total pack size. Dangerous if you screw up though. 100v DC is more dangerous than 100v AC, and we are looking at a max of 400v and enough amps to melt steel.

    • @brianb-p6586
      @brianb-p6586 ปีที่แล้ว

      You have those combinations correct. The voltage difference between the two of them is unimportant; the Ford Mach-E standard and extended range batteries are 96S3P and 94S4P, with no change in the motors or controllers and no loss of performance.
      The count will almost certainly be 828, if only because when divided into the four blocks (modules) the resulting 207 divides into whole groups of 9, while the 204 resulting from a total of 816 does not divide into whole groups of 8.

    • @anthonypelchat
      @anthonypelchat ปีที่แล้ว

      @@brianb-p6586 You are right on the voltage not being that important overall. While it is important, the motors and controllers have a wide range that is acceptable. Similar to the charging systems. It does need to stay within the acceptable range, but that's it. Otherwise, higher voltage is slightly better than lower voltage since it allows less amps for the same amount power. That reduces heat.
      You are incorrect however with the pack groups. We can see that the first module, which has to be identical to the other side, is 204 cells (6 by 34). The center modules are also 6 across. The 828 cell count comes from someone saying that the center modules were 35 cells down and 6 across, while the sides were 34 by 6.

    • @brianb-p6586
      @brianb-p6586 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@anthonypelchat No, as Sandy mentioned they don't know how many cells are in that block. The edge row has 34 cells, but when they did in far enough to see the next row (which likely has 35, and the they alternate like that), they'll actually know how many are in the block. No, the blocks are logically not different; unlike the original Model 3 2170-cell battery, the middle blocks (modules) do not appear to be longer.

  • @amitrana6489
    @amitrana6489 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the Hard Work. Keep Posting Videos Like these. Love to hear it from the GOAT himself

  • @JosephBeltran48
    @JosephBeltran48 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing work I just love everything the best keep up the amazing hard work

  • @bradh7472
    @bradh7472 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Guy's its always great to see you all digging into the weeds to figure this stuff out!! Love it and subscribed. Also shows how well designed the Tesla is compared to everyone else. You guys have taken apart the cars and now the batteries to show just how well designed these machines just are. Good luck everyone else. The media makes it sound so easy that others are going to be competing with Tesla. Yeah, they can have an electric car, but is it worth a sh!t?

    • @michaelbullard8015
      @michaelbullard8015 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I love Teslas, but don't discount the other guys. Loads of intelligent engineers working all over, all collectively learning from each others' designs and past failures.
      Just hold off on the first or possibly second generation of anything.

  • @wideawaketotruth5301
    @wideawaketotruth5301 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Munro, always treasure trove of solid information! Who knew?-threaded fasteners?

    • @markplott4820
      @markplott4820 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      the FUD Muck-e has brackets holding up more Brackets.
      Muck-e is litterally SCREWED and HOSED.

  • @20thcenturyboy85
    @20thcenturyboy85 ปีที่แล้ว

    SUPER COOL Video! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! -FASCINATING!!!!

  • @ag135i
    @ag135i ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the informative video.

  • @victorescobar7437
    @victorescobar7437 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I think that the thickness of the cans and the amount of adhesion was just a precaution for 4680. Once they are more confident I can see them optimizing the structure and gaining density.

    • @victorescobar7437
      @victorescobar7437 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Also they might be compensating for the material used for the canister. Using a different formula for the canister now that the batteries are structural might save money and weight. This is me just guessing, I’m not an expert by any stretch.

  • @emagotis
    @emagotis ปีที่แล้ว +21

    So exiting to see what you found

  • @B_224
    @B_224 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great to see Sandy!

  • @GlentonMe
    @GlentonMe ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Really appreciate the the step by step break down of how you would recycle this battery pack.

  • @BlackBuck777
    @BlackBuck777 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I recall when working with LN2 in a lab in my youth we froze bananas, balloons and other foodstuffs and regularly played "catch" - oops, dropped it! - breaks into a thousand pieces. Great fun. (Not quite "molecules falling apart" as Sandy thinks though.) Notably, left to unfreeze, everything turns to a yucky mush, particularly bananas.
    I think Sandy might be on the right track but also hope Tesla will have thought carefully about how they will make the recycle process work, "at the end of the day". That battery pack is clearly designed to deter anyone from being nosey too. Regarding Elon's comment (8:11) I have said for decades that folk should buy shares in landfill sites - there's a rich materials resource just waiting to be used.

  • @thdjjfsfh
    @thdjjfsfh ปีที่แล้ว

    Gold! gold! Such good info.

  • @AnthonyCelata
    @AnthonyCelata ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thanks Munro team!

  • @barboist
    @barboist ปีที่แล้ว +4

    with this amount of foam, this battery pack should insulate noise and vibration coming from underside something like rolls royce level.

    • @Cloxxki
      @Cloxxki ปีที่แล้ว

      But it's a small piece of floor only. And bolted to the chassis.

  • @htsyami
    @htsyami ปีที่แล้ว +36

    As a mechanical engineer and Tesla investor these videos are like Christmas for me. Keep up the great work guys!

    • @Frank_W.
      @Frank_W. ปีที่แล้ว

      As a Tesla fan and investor I can’t wait to see the technology that will come out with the Cybertruck which I’m a reservation holder. I’m hanging on Elon’s words indicating that it might just be Tesla’s best product.

    • @chrisE815
      @chrisE815 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Maybe you should sell your stock because this design sucks!

    • @dexio85
      @dexio85 ปีที่แล้ว

      LOL, stop rubbing your dick mate.

  • @scottprather5645
    @scottprather5645 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Glad to hear about the recyclability of these packs and of course is essential for sustainability of the technology going forward into the new and strange modern world we live in

  • @benjaminheindl1069
    @benjaminheindl1069 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool video. Thanks for explaining the recycling process, really interesting 👌

  • @alexpocs8649
    @alexpocs8649 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thanks for all your hard work, it is very educational.

  • @tedthompson9379
    @tedthompson9379 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That top layer of insulating material looks like G10 Glastic material. Used in electrical applications like switchgear and motors.

    • @alphabuilders
      @alphabuilders ปีที่แล้ว

      Looks more like natural nylon to me (no dye added). The dry ice blasting has given it a bit of a matt texture but still not as matt as g10. Also g10 is an order more expensive than nylon, it cant be injection moulded and has to be machined for shapes like the one we see, which would further increase the cost and slow down production (injection moulding=good for high volume production). Not to mention its weight penalty over nylon.

  • @lesbendo6363
    @lesbendo6363 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, thank you!

  • @RParmable
    @RParmable ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just received my Tesla 3 RWD . It’s a total thrill to drive. The acceleration is next to none. It feels amazing to be part of the transformation to clean and sustainable energy. Im as happy as a kid at Christmas 🎄

    • @stefan2796
      @stefan2796 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Where was the electricity which you use, generated? Most Tesla's drive on coal or nuclear energy...

  • @rjdverbeek
    @rjdverbeek ปีที่แล้ว +11

    With liquid nitrogen you can freeze stuff, but you will stay well above 0 Kelvin.

    • @gregbailey45
      @gregbailey45 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, and all components are chemically deactivated.

  • @ryannguyen7466
    @ryannguyen7466 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Can't wait for the team to open up those individual cell to see the design behind the cell.

    • @Barskor1
      @Barskor1 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, that!

    • @jameswoll
      @jameswoll ปีที่แล้ว

      Check out a teardown on The Limiting Factor, here on TH-cam.

    • @brianb-p6586
      @brianb-p6586 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've never seen Munro open up any individual cell - that leave that to other companies.

  • @tonyoostendarp7611
    @tonyoostendarp7611 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent show.
    You're good Sandy !
    Grandpa Canada.

  • @philoso377
    @philoso377 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent presentation. Thanks.
    I would much appreciate at the end we can conclude this investigation into mechanical thermal electrical schematic diagram.

  • @stephenmcgauley
    @stephenmcgauley ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Someone block 90 minutes on Sandy’s calendar for him to watch Talladega Nights lol