TITANIUM MIG170 Vs MILLER 211 Showdown! Home Use Vs Pro Use! Which is Better??
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- HERE IS THE SHOWDOWN WE'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR!!!
DAVID VS. GOLIATH!!! PRO USE VS. HOME USE!!! WHICH IS BETTER? IS THERE A DIFFERENCE!! WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 110V VS. 220 V? WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FLUX CORE AND MIG GAS? WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CHEAPER WELDING HOOD OVER AN EXPENSIVE WELDING HOOD? ARE THE LINCOLN ELECTRIC MIG WELDING GLOVES WORTH IT? HOW TO PREP BEFORE WELDING? WHAT DOES A GOOD GROUND CLAMP DO FOR YOU?
ALL THESE QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED AND MORE. YOU NEED TO CHECK OUT THE HOME HANDYMAN (aka. MY DAD!!) A LINK WILL BE IN THE DESCRIPTION AND HE WILL COVER MORE OF THE BASIC WELDING KNOWLEDGE ON SET UP AND OTHERR HELPFUL TIPS ON MAKING MONEY WITH WELDING!!! I'LL BE UPLOADING MORE CONTENT DURING OUR RECENT ENCOUNTER AND SHARING THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU FREE OF CHARGE!! HOPE YOU ENJOYED TODAY'S VIDEO!! CHEERS!!! AND THANKS FOR WATCHING!!!
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I lost my daddy last month... hold onto him and charish every day man, cause when they're gone they're gone.
You don't need to change polarity with 220 vs 120; both use the same polarity. If you change polarity to DCEP from DCEN while flux-core welding, you'll get more spatter; doesn't matter what voltage you use.
I think you should of kept the polarity the same as when you had it on 110. Only time you should of changed it is if you switch from Flux core to solid core. Changing between voltage does not require polarity change, it might of welded better. Could be wrong of course.
He's right. The polarity only changes when u switch from flux to hard wire.
You are correct t.
Fluxcore compared to shielded gas is like comparing off road tires vs street slicks. They serve different purposes. do the comparison outside in 15 mph wind.. fluxcore wins regardless of which machine you use. So the first part of the video is more about the wire not the machines. Js and I'm not a professional welder. Use the same wire in both machines and then this video makes more since. Your comparison is almost apples to oranges here.
Chase Barrett I do agree they should have equipped the machines equally. Either flux core or MiG. This comparison isn’t really as useful as it could have been. If the purpose was to show the difference between flux and MiG, then the same machine should have been used.
True that
Actually you arnt supposed to use flux core without shielding gas ! I know people do and it will stick metals together, but not without porosity!
@@jeffs8724 what you are talking about is duel sheild flux core been a welder.for 35 years and sertified with it all one time or another. Thanks for your input .
Yes I use just a little co2 with flux and it works great been welder for 40 yrs on and off, too many people think they know shit and they teach wrong info.
I knew by the sound when you started welding with 220 that the polarity was wrong and you were getting too much spatter from improper polarity.
Absolutely loved Pops' story. Some pros don't understand there's newbies out there that are looking for quality information. This is quality information.
polarity should have been the same regardless of 110 or 220. Flux cored wire is DCEN (electrode negative) and solid wire with gas is DCEP (electrode positive).
your dad absolutely knows whats up. solid info from both of you.
I can imagine that guy really got on your nerves. Especially when you have to block someone hating on the fact you're trying to help others. Keep the videos coming. Good job.
I like your tips because not all of us who are watching this video has welding experience. The you for your insight
I love the old masters that value patience, prep and quality. I learned how to weld from an amazing body tech that was like that (I work In auto body) some guys don’t care and don’t respect equipment and don’t care about their work. It’s obvious your dad does. Seems like a super cool man with plenty of stories . Those are the people I enjoy having conversations with as a 26 year old man
The fact that you and your dad did this together makes this such a great video. And awesome knowledge base here. I'm no welder but I'm learning and your videos are great for the DIY starter. Great review of the products, and their capabilities.
Thanks 👍 I appreciate that. Cheers!
Must be nice to have a very knowledgeable dad to show u some good welding and cutting and grinding stuff..
It's money making knowledge and he's teaching u very safe practices. Also..
That it is. I love sharing time with him whenever we have time available. Cheers!
@@JustinDowDIYcentralhighway word. Brother...your a damn good welder too. Dont sell urself short... I'm a welding student at cerritos College I'm California.. best welding school in the state.. certified welder is the end game... I'm on my way.
One thing I've always noticed is that quite often newer welders like to bury their face in the weld. Their welding hoods usually have a lot of spatter and smoke on the lenses.
Lmfao this was me for my first 8 months or so!! 🤣🤣🤣
Just a tip for you Justin flux core should be DCEN no matter what the voltage is,, if using dual shield Flux core then polarity is the same as using
mig (DCEP) as they both use gas. DCEN should give you less splatter with flux core. One day you will move up the line to a better welder than what HF sells.
Bruce D Thanks for sharing your experience and feedback. Yes sir. One day at a time.
Those titaniums are excellent for the price point and for the garage/hobbyist welder.. u don't need a Miller. To do what he's doing ..
Them titanium's ain't a bad thing they are better than what people imagine. Point #1). Their designed by a former Miller designer.. point#2). The value is worth it because ur only dropping a few hundred dollars...
Point#3). If u ever need a miller mattic 211 then ur getting into some small business/pro level workload. Then it's worth the extra $$$$$$$. for the Miller.. Because ur making a living from ur tool.
But if ur a backyard D.I.Y. guy. Garage fabricator. The Titanium's are the better way to go...
I still cant believe how good the titanium welders are
Some people shouldn't touch any tools
If you were going to compare a Harbor Freight welder to the Miller 211, you should have went with the Vulcan Omnipro 220 multiprocessor or even the Titanium 200 multiprocessor. That would have been a better match up.
Personally, I own both the Vulcan 220 and the Titanium 170 (amongst other welders---primarily Lincoln), but the Vulcan 220 would be a closer match as the Vulcan automatically sets its own settings after you input wire diameter and metal thickness. You can still tweak from the programmed settings, but nonetheless I bet it would be a closer match up.
I've been welding for 15 year's. Any information or tips you can get or give is knowledge of the trade. When you are to good to listen to someone else or think something is common sense with welding it's time to hang your hood up. Every day is a learning curve with welding that's how you get better.
Good video. However you don't change the polarity for voltages. You change the polarity for gas or no gas so you were using the wrong polarity for the 220 test.
When welding with a mig welder you need to change the direction of your stinger. Pushing the weld forward rather than dragging it. It will make a huge difference in your weld.
You drag flux core.
Your Dad is awesome. I love his comments on the guy dissing him.
I second that! Love your dad!
I loved that story too!! You and your dad are super knowledgeable, Im glad I came across your channel.
I don't have the Vulcan, but I'm 99% positive all flux-core is welded electrode-negative and ground positive- regardless of input voltage. That could account for your spatter on the 2nd try.
Uncle Bob Ahhh.. gotcha. So do you only change the polarity with Gas?
@@JustinDowDIYcentralhighway Yes!
Justin dads is awesome and clearly a good father and a stright shooter. I get the story it hits home! Some ppl are different to say the least.
I’ve been welding for years and a few things were good reminders and great tips for ppl who may need them good job guys!!!
The face your dad made when you said he was going to use the titanium 170 😂😂😂 this is just great, my son is going to school to learn how to weld! Great video
Flux core should be DCEN regardless of voltage selection. I saw hundreds of bb's flying everywhere when you changed to DCEP @ 240V. All the heat was concentrated on wire instead of the metal.
Didn't know that was your Dad. A few weeks ago as I was healing from surgery I was playing his videos to pass the time. Cool stuff.
strakill Awesomeness
That's your dad? Oh man! I didn't know that.. I had been watching his videos for some time now.. awesome!
Hector E. Rodriguez Jr. Awesomeness! Yes sir that’s my pops. ☕️👍
I really like it. I really like your videos. An if you and misses O want to we would love for you to Arkansas! We like people like y'all down here!
I would've loved to see the titanium ran with gas, I'm looking to buy either titanium or Vulcan. But good video none the less thx
What did you end up getting? Any advise
@@code3responsevideos872 i got the titanium. its awesome for what it can do. it didn't come with tungsten so I need to get some and a bottle of argon to test tig operation. but the mig is ALLOT hotter than my Lincoln 3200hd and I still need to run a 220 line to test that also. right now it kicks ass in 110
@@bernzespinoza which one did you get the titanium 200?
@@darrenjustice4798 yep! titanium 200! it's awesome! it runs a lot hotter then my 3200hd Lincoln. ang it's lighter. I can't wait till I run a 220 plug to it. I haven't tigged yet! I did mig.
Crazy! I watch both of your channels and never knew you were father & son.
Thanks for the video it is helpful. I like your Dads story about the wussy that was giving him hard time and how your Dad put him in his place. Good job on your video.
Thank you for sharing your dad with us, I wish mine was still around. I picked up some good info and insight from watching this video, well worth my time.
Great ez to watch video. Your Dad has a wealth of knowledge and shares his honest opinions. My Dad was similar in his field and I miss him every day so cherish each and every day.
Awesome video man! Great work and its cool that your dad was in the video,
I love gas more than flux but I have both I've got a Lincoln 125 I run flux in at home because well gas is expensive but I've got a Miller 252 gas at work I love it
You went over the same weld three times without removing the slag! I'm guessing you don't use flux core much. Plus you have a guide inside the machine to help you adjust the welder to your material.
Great point! All in a day of learning. I barely weld as it is. Just enjoy posting videos of what I do as I do it & the Criticism only helps me get better at it. Cheers & thanks for any welding suggestions you have. I'm all ears. Much appreciate you.
Keep the welding videos coming. I got the 125 amp Flux over Christmas and still haven't been able to use it, too many cars in the shop and zero room.
Cool to see a mashup and the comparison of what you thought about getting and what you got.
I have this same welder because I got it last Sunday, and have been trying out the inductance setting. The knob on the right is the output inductance knob. Inductance controls weld puddle wetting area and arc time, which both affect penetration. High inductance increases the individual arc cycle time, improving the weld puddle wetting.
Low inductance increases the frequency of each short circuit/arc cycle, used for a narrow bead in some joints. High inductance is good on thicker metals where good wetting at the weld's toes is needed. Low inductance works better for thin metal. If you have thin steel (18ga to 1/8"), it works best on 0-3. Thicker steel and rusty steel is better on 5-10. I've welded 3/32 wire successfully with no burn-through by setting the inductance to 0, amps to 13, and wire speed 120. This does way better for controlling welding than my cheap $285 Amazon 250amp welder did.
why did you change polarity in the first weldment. I thought fluxcore was DCEP.
Try pushing the solid wire go a little faster and I'm not sure about the titanium welder but you shouldn't have to reverse the polarity
Pop knows quality tools.... love the ir t30 in the background... I have the same one never ever let me down my dad got it back in the late 80s..... and I love my airco dip-pak 200... welds like butter
Just got an airco dip-pak 300. So far I love it! Parts might be more difficult to find but seems like esab carries parts which airgas handles.
Maybe it's bc I lost my dad,( my best friend), when I was 19 to a work related accident. But I really dig your pops, and you doing this video. Thanks for the info
Sorry to hear that. Thank you for your kindness. Cheers!
Great video, thanks for you time. I was a little disappointed that you didn’t compare the 170 to the 211 using gas on both machines. The titanium uses gas, why didn’t you that comparison? You compared apples to oranges, really.
You have a good dad there Justin, I enjoyed the video, you dad explains things very well!!
Great video and even better information. And I am total with your dad. There are so many guys out there that need to tell you about how much they know and that your an idiot for not conforming your video specifically to them. The "Everybody knows that you wasted my time" guys. They know full well that most people don't know about it but they want so desperately for you to think they are experts they just MUST tell you about it.
The Den of Tools Thanks Brother Bear!!
Also, love the gas reaction! It really is night and day! Been awhile for me welding when I decided to get a machine and shake off the rust. It was flux-core only, got comfortable, got rid of the machine and got the previously mentioned multi-process Lincoln...gas + more amps and I had the same reaction. Both machines worked well but gas is so nice.
The weld splater can be reduce by adjusting the voltage. When voltage is to high you will have more weld splatter. I was a high pressure pipeline welder quilified to API 1104, ASME Section 9 pressure vessel code and ASME strutural Welding codes in Arc welding, Gas Metal arc welding, and Flux core.
When Linchon started developing fluxcore I help them setting pipeline welding procedures with flux core in the feild. The first flux core wire would jump from side to side making it difficult to weld. They made some changes to the chemical make up. We completed the procedure and I became certified for welding high pressure gas pipelines with flux core.
Very good review and demo. Keep the video like this coming.
I owned a top end Harbor Freight welder and it welded poorly. Got rid of it and purchased a Hobart 190 Made in the USA welder.. Now my welds are super neat and smooth. BIG difference.
Didnt know your dad had a channel just popped over there and sub. now i got to watch his videos. cant wait to see the videos of you and your dad.
CAPTSTANLEY51 Thanks Brother 🍻👍
When it comes to settings. On the inside panel it has recommendations that can help anyone. Whether they are a welder or not. GL
Spend the money and get a speed glass hood if you plan to weld a lot. Tillman gloves are lighter and cheaper and they don't crust up. Less heat protection though. Great video guys
Your fathers 4min story.alone, was worth the the 15min vid I like the shoot outs
I really like that ur upfront about your abilitys. All.n all
Very good
Not sure what you are thinking changing the polarity.
Bill Utley me either 😂😂👍
The polarity swap on that machine is so sweet. On my Hobart I have to open the machine up and unscrew 2 nuts and swap the cables around. Sucks when you don't have the right size tool.
Both you dudes are friggin ridiculously cool man I swear.. I luv this stuff. I'm watchin! Heck yeah BROTHA! Melt some damn steel!!!!!
Third knob is for impedance, most useful if you're running straight CO2 gas turn up to 7-8. Otherwise 4-6 should be good.
baron24601 Gotcha. Thanks for the feedback and information 👍
Why is that? Im curious
You only switch the polarity when switching from solid to flux wire. The reason you're getting more spatter is the flux is burning before the wire is melting in the puddle.
Hey Justin, good video. I'd love to hear what your dad thinks of welding solid core wire with gas at 220V on the Titanium & how it compares to the Miller.
Yes that would be fair. Solid wire vs solid wire. Titanium vs Miller. Flux core is notorious for splatter.
Flux core is meant to be used with shielding gas ! If you don’t use gas you will have porosity,
awesome video thanks for the tips beginner welder myself I have the Eastwood 135
this is super neat, i follow the both of you and had no idea yall were related im kinda new here :) looking to learn how to weld though so i found this vid
Thank you for your videos I've learned a lot
thanks justin and dad i learned today thank you
OK video, I learn one thing, I am gonna use Gas shield 99% of the time!!!! ... going out this week and get me the Titanium 170 already have the gas tanks etc....
On 120, your weld puddle was too cold, because it balled up on the joint, vs melting into the steel. You want the steel to get hot enough to penetrate, yet cool enough not to burn through the steel.
It's great you And your dad having fun in the shop like his welder I've got a lincoln and the argon over Flux is way better. So many tips from others buddy of mine was doing a tiawanna tig sorry for the spelling it came out good but guess it's a big no no
Absolute dedication absolute loyalty
That titanium 170 will actually spit out a bacon sounding, crisp, surprisingly bit hen weld. U gotta break the slag to even se what ur welds look like
Wow didn't know that was your dad. Come across some of his videos. Good stuff
Your dad is cool man. Awsome he’s still around
Not sure why you switched polarity when you connected it to 240v. this was just wrong
Justin, Plug the welder into either 120V or 240V outlet, then flip the switch to match. Then try the 120V/240V comparison that your Dad told you to do. (Kids these days, lol)
I got the 170 titanium installed mustang 2 front suspension on my 1938 Chevy coupe using flux core did a beautiful job and made a spade to bury underground cable welded 1/2" steel to a 3/4" thick receiver hit a tree root and the receiver broke not the weld this thing really burns ....I've been welding auto body since 1973 with all kinds of welders this thing rocks haven't had it turned up to the max yet...best at 240 and110 good for light stuff duty cycle is Short on 110 doing thicker stuff.
Father and son bonding time lol
Been thinking about getting a welder for a beginner. Know very little about welding but want to learn. I may try to find a class nearby. Thanks for the video.
Snap Mac Thanks Brother Tony. I wish I had the time to go to a welding class or 2 just to improve, but I suppose a mixture of Hard Knox University and You Tube Community College will have to do. 😂😂😂👍
Learned a lot thank you
I hit like because your dad keeps it real
Did you plug your welder in to 220 on the wall it is more flipping a switch!!!!
Great video thanks brother. Like that you had your dad in the video. I like his setup that Miller is a great welder. The welder you have you will get better the more you use it and twick it. Keep up the great work see you in the next video thanks again brother.
Scott Pearson TOOLS &MORE Thanks Brother Scott.
You should redo the video with the polarity corrected on the Titanium.
If you are trying to compare 2 different Mig welders, you have to use gas on both or your comparing apples to oranges.
Switching from 120 to 240... it seems as though "plug it into a different outlet" should be part of the process? Thinking about buying one of the 170's, I don't do a lot of welding, but usually when I do it's on something big.
great video Justin.looks like your dad is a cool guy.
I watch your dad,s Videos on U-Tube quite often. Does very Artistic work quite often.
Yeah you definitely don't use straight polarity with flux core wire you needed to keep the ground positive no matter what voltage you use input
Cool stuff, gonna sub yer dad. I'm a Lincoln guy but not really for a "good" reason. I worked with only Miller in school and a variety of oxy/acetylene stuff. First time I saw a Lincoln Electric was in a custom bike shop and LOVED the "Lincoln Red" color scheme, welding wise it seemed equal to if not better than Miller and I never looked back. Just got me a multi-process Lincoln and she's a beauty. I have been looking at the Harbor Freight stuff to cover 1 or 2 processes my Lincoln doesn't cover because the HF ones do seem higher quality than they used to be and I won't be spending a bunch of money on 1 or 2 processes I only need on a few occasions. Cool video and thanks
Nice compressor in the back ground!
Justin your welder is real good just gas and solid core wire it same as that miller I have Vulcan omnipro 220 great job
Nice your dad is great first time I caught you guys here
Just a thought. Perhaps You need to re do this video and get the welders output polarity correct for the type of wire your using. P.S. I weld proffesionaly.
Merle Rosenberger it’s cool I’m learning the hard way. Thanks for sharing 👍
@@JustinDowDIYcentralhighway Justin. It's not the hard way, were just trying to assist. Put a little gap between the metals also, or bevel the edges some. Full penetration = better weld.
The night and day is the difference between flux core and inert gas shielded. Not so much the difference in machines. This is an apples to oranges comparison and therefore not very useful. Also flux core is always DCEN where as MIG is always DCEP.
That 2T 4T is if you put on 4T pull trigger and it keeps going until you pull trigger again and it shuts off.
For long continuous welds you don’t have to hold trigger in.
Try hooking up your dads gas.
Does he use 80/20 -75/25 ?
Great video!! your dad is really awesome.
Just a suggestion. This didn't really show much as the swap over was wrong on the Vulcan and two different processes being used. Let's do them the exact same way now that you've got a little more experience. Nobody starts as a pro though. Always something to learn.
Kye Staples Thank you I appreciate it I will definitely do that
Ok I'm confused what are you trying to compare? titanium to miller, or mig with gas and flux core? Because your description suggests it's a comparison between rigs...yet your test isn't valid for that AT ALL...
Excellent video, love your pops.
Rene Salcido Thanks Brotherman!!
I have gas. Its never helped me weld. I do worry sometimes that it might explode.
Nice video, I like your videos
Glad you like them! Cheers!
Your right you are NOT a welder!!! at 5:12 you switch polarity on machine for no reason. Flux core is electrode negative. NO MATTER WHAT MACHINE VOLTAGE IS!!!. That's why on 240 volt your welder looked like crap and splatter everywhere. There nothing wrong with the Vulcan or Titanium brand for the dollar. I have Miller 211autoset, Lincoln Weldpak 100 HD and a Vulcan Omnipro 220. I am selling the Miller due to the fact I can get another multiprocess machine for half the price of miller or lincoln.
Right and you can’t compare the Miller unless it can also uses flux wire dummy. Mig is mig. Put ⛽️ gas on the titanium. And set the machine properly 😶 Leave it to the pros or go to school stop teaching people wrong
What a good starter welder? New recall weld drag links nuts
Beto Garcia up to you. Depends on how much you want to spend. Watch the video I did not too long ago
love your channel friend but this was not any kind of test. You had the polarity wrong on 220 and you never used both machines doing the same kind of welds. To make it fair. Fix the polarity, flux core with the miller, then gas weld with both welders and use the same wire. That would be a test set we would like to see. :-)