The Forgotten Tudor Heir - Part 1 | Lady Katherine Grey
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- After Lady Jane Grey's death, what happened to her sisters and mother? This video looks at the aftermath of Jane's execution, and how her sister Katherine went from a traitor's daughter, to a Catholic lady-in-waiting, to a potential Protestant heir to the throne. But her romance with Edward Seymour would be the catalyst for misfortune to fall on the Grey family once again...
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Thanks for watching! Does Lady Katherine Grey seem like she was really so much of a threat to Elizabeth? Would the Spanish really have gone through with their kidnapping plan?
If you haven't seen my series on her famous sister, Lady Jane Grey, you can start here with Part 1: th-cam.com/video/H0ODaguMp2g/w-d-xo.html
Or, if you prefer other famous royalty, take a look at Part 1 of Eleanor of Aquitaine's documentary: th-cam.com/video/qeziVpkY-1c/w-d-xo.html
Sources and Related Books:
Lady Jane Grey - A Tudor Mystery by Eric Ives
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The Sisters Who Would Be Queen: The tragedy of Mary, Katherine and Lady Jane Grey by Leanda de Lisle
amzn.to/3qphE2M
Crown of Blood: The Deadly Inheritance of Lady Jane Grey by Nicola Tallis
amzn.to/3Qunuug
The above are affiliate links, and by buying a book, you're helping support this channel. Thank you!
Frances Brandon my 16th great Grandmother, and Lady Katherine Grey my 15th Great Grandmother through her son Edward Baron Beauchamp. Absolutely love hearing their stories. 🥰
What great ancestry you have! 😊
You and I must be related then, as Lady Katherine Grey is my 13th Great Grandmother, through her son Edward Baron Beauchamp. Lady Frances Brandon is my 14th Great Grandmother and her husband, Henry Grey 1st Duke of Suffolk, is my 1st cousin 13 times removed.
@@rebeccaotis8056 That's amazing!! Hello cousin!! ❤️
@@heathermorton1450 hello!
Hi Heather ❤️
The Grey family still lives on 😉
It's a hard family to keep down! 😊
@@HistorysForgottenPeople that's for sure. Tough as nails
Madame, your channel is fantastic,
I am throughly enjoying your videos.
The level of detail is fantastic and I surmise you shall have great success with your channel.
Thank you for all your hard work!
Thank you so much! That's very kind, and I'm glad you're enjoying the videos. 😊
Seems like Lady Katherine Grey and Edward Seymour's secret marriage was going give rise to Elizabeth's wrath. I feel for the Grey sisters. I do enjoy these documentaries. It is nice to hear more about Tudor history
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😊 And it certainly seems obvious to us what was going to happen, but I think they were just too infatuated with each other, and too young, the way teenagers sometimes are. I think if her mother had still been around, it would not have turned out the way it did. Maybe!
Katherine and Mary paid dearly for their parents s sins especially her sociopathic and evil mother Frances for her monstruos ambition of the throne she believed she deserved and not bastard Elizabeth poor girls and Katherine's defiant and arrogant attitude made things hard for her Elizabeth knew both her paternal cousins a Frances and Margaret Douglas looked down on her because of who her mother was
I love the detail you give and your videos, but I like to make a suggestion, I think if you chose more ambient background music it would be less competitive with your voice/words.
I'll take that on board! Sometimes I can't always use the music I would like to due to copyright or needing to pay for it. 😊
oh, for me, the music makes it all the better haha
I've said this before, but Queen Mary isn't remembered justly in my opinion.
She did have heretics burned but far less were executed by her than her Father and sister. Henry had protestants burned as heretics even after he supposedly became one himself. He had catholics drawn and quarters as traitors if they didn't aknowlege him as head of the church. He never wanted to be Protestant. He wanted to be head of the catholic church in England.
Elizabeth had so many catholics killed and oppressed that it wasn't until the 20th century that they made a good comeback on the tails of the counter reformation.
Mary not only killed few and those only when she had to really. She was ruthless with those who helped her father throw away her mother and make of her a bastard, but she was merciful to many more.
She didn't sentence the greys or Northumberland son to death at first. Only when Jane greys father again revolted out of avarice to regain his lost wealth without a thought to his daughters life. Did she finally execute lord grey, Jane and Northumberlands son.
Mary did not even execute her sister Elizabeth when she might have been wise to
She could have tapped the Stuart's and been rid of Elizabeth and with her all the Protestant nobles who plotted in her favor. She did none of this. She was the least bloody Tudor. Though admittedly that isn't saying much.
Mary reigned 5 years and burnt 56 people a year. Elizabeth hung 4 people a year. The only reason Mary’s numbers don’t match her sisters or even her fathers is because her reign was cut short. If she had reigned as long as Elizabeth, based on the rates that she murdered at, she would have killed nearly 2500 people, over 13 times as many as Elizabeth. Elizabeth was very religiously tolerant at the time; whereas Mary specifically burnt people because that meant they couldn’t be buried as Christians. She chose burning to punish people in life and in death. Elizabeth only executed those who refused to accept her compromise, Mary burnt people for simply not following her demands. She said herself that she intended to force her religion on everyone in her kingdom, whereas Elizabeth was happy for religion to be kept more of a private matter
Catholic did get back their civil rights until an act of Parliament in 1829 returned these to the Catholic minority after 300 years of oppression and discrimination that started in 1570 after the North Catholic rebellion when the Duke of Norfolk was beheaded as a consecuence of this man s ambition to marry Mary queen of Scots and because the Pope Pius V declared Elizabeth a bastard and gave Catholics the righto overthrow her and the queen as a result took this minority s civil rights Butthegreat comeback was in 1997 when Tony Blair became the first Catholic primer minister in 400 years to rule Britain
What a great story. I have a question? Clair ridway .Sarah Morris history calling .Dr Kat .Lucy wolsely All women how come so many females enter this type of history. All amazing . PS can't forget you 😎😎 thank you
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed the video! 😊 I certainly can't speak for other historians, but I love all history - my angle is usually lesser-known people or the unknown stories of famous people.
Can we just take a moment to realise how pretty Mary Queen of Scots looks 😃
She honestly must have been quite a stunner - not only was she apparently really attractive, but she was about 6 foot tall and slim, so possibly the supermodel of her day LOL.
That would depend upon which portrait you are viewing. Some are not so flattering.
@@susanmorgan8833 the one in the national portrait gallery is beautiful of her.
Very interesting
Some say that Captain Richard Grey of Harwich son of a Thomas Grey/Gray was part of this family branch. Said to have hidden out to keep quiet and live a non-royal life at sea. Said to be the ancestor of Katherine Grey wife of Admiral Thomas Graves of Boston, New England, America. Who can say?
It's certainly possible! I don't know any of her descendents that well, but there are quite a few people descended from her son Edward who had several children. Thomas, her other son, isn't know to have had any children, but perhaps we haven't found the records yet.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople This particular line would not be direct from Mary or Katherine but from Thomas the brother of both ladies. Richard was said to be a boy when father and grandfather were executed for plotting and putting Lady Jane Grey on the throne briefly.
@@lindawoody8501 I think this might be a different family then, as these Greys (Jane, Katherine and Mary) didn't have a brother.
Looking at their tree one can see why Henry sorely wanted a son as preferred in his particular line noting his sisters had issue.
Francis and Adrian Stokes a love match? He was at least 30 years her junior. There is a painting of the two, and if you can believe this was a love match, you need an intervention.
That painting has since been proven (quite a few years ago now) to be of Gregory Fiennes, 10th Baron Dacre, and his mother, Anne Neville, Baroness Dacre. The importance of keeping up with recent research.
@13:30 Westminster Abbey wasn't in "London" in Tudor times. Westminster was a city in itself.
True, but as it's there now, it helps give a sense of place if modern viewers want to understand where the buildings still are. I definitely could have included 'City of Westminster', in the subtitle, I'll consider it for next time.
@20:00 During the Tudor era Greenwich was in Kent. And we Men of Kent will never consent to it's occupation by the G.L.A.
The same point as with Westminster Abbey is used here; I'll bear in mind for future videos to include more literal explanation of geography if spaces allows in the subtitles. 😊
Cast Dakota Fanning for the part.
Excuse me, could you please tell me the name of the background piano music since @3:12 ? It's really heart touching! Many thanks!
Of course! It's 'Impertinence' by Joel Cummins, I got it from the TH-cam audio library. 🙂
@@HistorysForgottenPeople Wow! That's very kind of you.
I LITERALLY love watching these videos 😩
Thank you! I love knowing you guys are enjoying these videos. 😊
Thank you.
You're welcome, I hope you enjoyed it! 😊
No. Definitively NO. Lady _Jane_ Grey was undoubtedly of royal blood, but she was NOT “of the body,” and her sister Katherine wasn’t, either, as Mary and Elizabeth _were._ Not only that, but _as female grandchildren,_ I fail to see how the Grey sister’s claims were equal to or better than those of Mary and Elizabeth, who were _ROYAL PRINCESSES._ Jane and Katherine were also a female, which further weakened her claims….NOBODY wanted a Queen Regnant, but the people would obviously balk at enthroning anyone who wasn’t Henry VIII’s child, Protestant or not. The very idea that a female, _not “of the body,” and not a royal Princess, would supersede the rights of Royal Princesses, OF the body, is asinine. So these videos are mere exercises in historical futility. And Katherine Grey would have been hooted at if she had pressed her claimed against James I’s claims, as a man with both royal English blood as well as the son of a Queen of that blood and grandson of the King of Scotland, had claims which absolutely nullified Katherine Grey’s, as ridiculous as her claims were. It’s way past time to get over it!
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Lady Katherine Grey was taken seriously as a prospect to being Elizabeth's heir by Parliament, along with others such as the Countess of Lennox, because their main priority was keeping the crown on an English head. Elizabeth favoured a royal connection over being English, and also didn't like Parliament pressing their ideas as it threatened her absolute rule. The reason the Grey's were not overlooked was because of Henry VIII's will, and then his son, Edward's will, which pressed the lineage of the Greys over others. Katherine didn't have to contend with Mary I's claim, as she was dead by then, or James I's claim, as Katherine herself was long dead when his claim was considered seriously. Not to mention, there is no evidence to show Katherine herself ever pushed her suit for the throne.
The point was that Katherine Grey, while unmarried, gave Elizabeth options. Mary I of Scotland was always Elizabeth's favoured heir-to-be, but if Katherine had married the right person, it would have given Elizabeth a Protestant heir in the wings, possibly from both English and Scottish heritage. When Katherine Grey married the way she did, she instead made herself more of a threat to the queen. I go over all of this in both Parts 1 and 2.
Calm down, dude. Did you even watch?!
@@HistorysForgottenPeople war of the roses?
You might look at the will of Henry the 8th
@8:00 Doesn't look like a Tudor period building.
Using free stock images and footage often means it's not possible to use what I would like, and instead I use something to convey a emotion or sense of what a place meant.
Really enjoyed this.
Thank you, I'm glad you did! 😊