The worst thing about Rome 2 is that to many units have access to javelins to make low armor and low shield block chance units be useful. Odrysian Kingdom is difficult to use when all people do is counter pick Pergamon agema spear jav spams to take out anything that isn't mercenary hoplites.
I think they should also reduce the number of javelins that certain units carry as well as the damage done. I'm pretty sure Roman and Celtic/Germanic warriors had 1-2 javelins/pillas at most before they used their swords so it would be realistic.
I mean, just look at levy freemen their even useful when they die bec5they waste ammo and blunt charge and have javies to hurt better, more expensive units.
I think we can keep the javelins, but make them deal less damage. Give peltasts 2 more ammo and better stats so they can become the light inf they were meant to be
How could Macedon possibly be the worst faction? They have access to Rhodian slingers, Cretan archers, Companion Cav, Thessalian Cav, elite swords in the Royal Peltast, elite Hoplites (shield bearers, I think?) There aren't any tools they don't have, frankly, except an oath sworn equivalent.
I can't speak multiplayer because I do not play multiplayer. However I have always had the impression Macedon is much better in campaign than they are multiplayer. I think it has more to do with cost and cost effectiveness, and less to do with how powerful their units can be in combat.
@@patrickcharzin3062 I was thinking more about multiplayer. And there are other units that can be used to deal with the AI, but I totally agree the AI's response to pikes makes them beasts in campaign. That said, the derpiness and immobility of pikes, as well as their weakness to javelins and skirmish fire in general, makes them a bit of a nightmare to try to use successfully in multiplayer.
No cost-effective cheap infantry, their elites lose to other elites, thorax swords suck for the most part in this game, and pikes suck unless fighting AI. They do have good cav and ranged but their cav isn't the best compared to other elite cav. They do have one of the best mid-tier shock cav but it doesn't justify them in any way. Basically, they almost always get outclassed in every way bc they are just not cost-effective. The Lusitani player in this battle was rlly bad and it was still closer than it should have been.
Good battle. I don't know why some people think that Macedon is the worst faction in Rome 2. It's not one of the strongest factions, but it's a good faction if used correctly. The Macedon player keeping his skirmishers alive until late in the game was crucial to the victory. Well played by both players.
Good game, and really cool match up that highlighted the strengths of Macedon in the right context. Always fun to see some well-reasoned, civil debates in the comments.
Yeah, they're a bit too fragile to stick it in with the rest of the heavy infantry and not killy enough to stick it in with shock infantry either. A bit too difficult to use at higher levels I think
Heir I know you do rome 2 and warhammer (and total war in general) replays but I wonder if someone sent a Bannerlord replay if its a possibility to end up on here or perhaps a Bannerlord campaign from you would be great! Alot of the cost effectiveness for units still applies in bannerlord despite being a different type of game yet similarly has unit progression. Also, ROYAL PELTASTS!!! My beloved Royal Peltast!
I like Macedon as a faction , perhaps they're not good on multiplayer due to the emphasis on pikes but in campaign mode they're a fun faction. On a complaining note, the companion cavalry should be the best cavalry in the game because they were unstoppable for Alexander and Philip. They're good in this game but they should be better.
@@arndbrack2339 Absolutely, you're right, but they were still the dominant power in Greece at the time this game is set and a major powerhouse. They defeated Sparta twice in the years after Alexander's death and they were still feared for good reason by the rest of Greece.
I completely disagree Macedon is not a bad faction it has really good spears good cavalry really good missile infatry decent melee roster and some of the best pikes so I would never consider them bad
they are not bad in single player campaign, but if you put them in multiplayer games, you will understand why most people say they are bad and sometimes as the worst faction in the game.
@@TheBikeOnTheMoon they have peltasts, tarantine cav, shock cavalry , thureos spears , melee cavalry, thorax swordsmen,cretan archers etc they are far from the worst bro
@@TheBikeOnTheMoon Macadon is the worst "Serious" faction, I would absolutely agree, but MAN Massalia is a bad joke lmao. Imagine your specialty unit being Shitizen calvery
It will be much better if u record multiplayer siege battles and even better if there are at least 4 players 2vs2 or more it will be more interesting battles💘💘💘
9:55 Wow. That javelin throw decimated those slingers
I have not seen this account in almost 10 years, suddenly i'm back again. Man this is odd.
Glad to see you're still going!
You’re not alone
The worst thing about Rome 2 is that to many units have access to javelins to make low armor and low shield block chance units be useful. Odrysian Kingdom is difficult to use when all people do is counter pick Pergamon agema spear jav spams to take out anything that isn't mercenary hoplites.
I agree. Javelins should be removed from most low tier units.
I think they should also reduce the number of javelins that certain units carry as well as the damage done. I'm pretty sure Roman and Celtic/Germanic warriors had 1-2 javelins/pillas at most before they used their swords so it would be realistic.
I mean, just look at levy freemen their even useful when they die bec5they waste ammo and blunt charge and have javies to hurt better, more expensive units.
I think we can keep the javelins, but make them deal less damage. Give peltasts 2 more ammo and better stats so they can become the light inf they were meant to be
@@HeirofCarthage Would it make sense to leave the javelins, but take away armor piercing damage for javelins on low tier units?
How could Macedon possibly be the worst faction? They have access to Rhodian slingers, Cretan archers, Companion Cav, Thessalian Cav, elite swords in the Royal Peltast, elite Hoplites (shield bearers, I think?) There aren't any tools they don't have, frankly, except an oath sworn equivalent.
Exactly. I don't see any logical rebutals to all those arguments. Macedon isn't a powerfaction, but it defnitely is strong, having most tools.
I can't speak multiplayer because I do not play multiplayer. However I have always had the impression Macedon is much better in campaign than they are multiplayer. I think it has more to do with cost and cost effectiveness, and less to do with how powerful their units can be in combat.
@@marcus3457 It has a lot to do with how the AI runs directly into the front of pikes
@@patrickcharzin3062 I was thinking more about multiplayer. And there are other units that can be used to deal with the AI, but I totally agree the AI's response to pikes makes them beasts in campaign. That said, the derpiness and immobility of pikes, as well as their weakness to javelins and skirmish fire in general, makes them a bit of a nightmare to try to use successfully in multiplayer.
No cost-effective cheap infantry, their elites lose to other elites, thorax swords suck for the most part in this game, and pikes suck unless fighting AI. They do have good cav and ranged but their cav isn't the best compared to other elite cav. They do have one of the best mid-tier shock cav but it doesn't justify them in any way. Basically, they almost always get outclassed in every way bc they are just not cost-effective. The Lusitani player in this battle was rlly bad and it was still closer than it should have been.
That early Lusitani play of luring the Thracians out and killing them with mere Iberian Swordsmen was clever though
Good battle. I don't know why some people think that Macedon is the worst faction in Rome 2. It's not one of the strongest factions, but it's a good faction if used correctly. The Macedon player keeping his skirmishers alive until late in the game was crucial to the victory. Well played by both players.
Good game, and really cool match up that highlighted the strengths of Macedon in the right context. Always fun to see some well-reasoned, civil debates in the comments.
Royal Peltasts are fire 💥🔥🔥
Royal Peltasts are the coolest unit in imo
One of the rare occasions I've seen Royal Peltast perform well. 💀
Yeah, they're a bit too fragile to stick it in with the rest of the heavy infantry and not killy enough to stick it in with shock infantry either. A bit too difficult to use at higher levels I think
Imagine not, I used to take only royal peltasts into multiplayer and win lol! (My opponents varied in skill, I probably couldnt do it now haha)
Well,…..i bet you a thousand euros you will never see it among skilled players😅
They look so good...but seeing them have a successful outing in multi-player is tough.
What a disgusting javelin volley 9.50
~30 kills in one jav volley, so nasty
Oh yeah, I groaned out loud seeing it, those rhodians got absolutely wrecked.
Heir I know you do rome 2 and warhammer (and total war in general) replays but I wonder if someone sent a Bannerlord replay if its a possibility to end up on here or perhaps a Bannerlord campaign from you would be great! Alot of the cost effectiveness for units still applies in bannerlord despite being a different type of game yet similarly has unit progression. Also, ROYAL PELTASTS!!! My beloved Royal Peltast!
I like Macedon as a faction , perhaps they're not good on multiplayer due to the emphasis on pikes but in campaign mode they're a fun faction. On a complaining note, the companion cavalry should be the best cavalry in the game because they were unstoppable for Alexander and Philip. They're good in this game but they should be better.
you got to admit that the game starts when the age of philip and alexander ends. combat evolved after them. and the two were exceptional generals
@@arndbrack2339 Absolutely, you're right, but they were still the dominant power in Greece at the time this game is set and a major powerhouse. They defeated Sparta twice in the years after Alexander's death and they were still feared for good reason by the rest of Greece.
Macedon is a very beautiful faction...
I completely disagree Macedon is not a bad faction it has really good spears good cavalry really good missile infatry decent melee roster and some of the best pikes so I would never consider them bad
they are not bad in single player campaign, but if you put them in multiplayer games, you will understand why most people say they are bad and sometimes as the worst faction in the game.
@@TheBikeOnTheMoon they have peltasts, tarantine cav, shock cavalry , thureos spears , melee cavalry, thorax swordsmen,cretan archers etc they are far from the worst bro
@@TheBikeOnTheMoon Macadon is the worst "Serious" faction, I would absolutely agree, but MAN Massalia is a bad joke lmao. Imagine your specialty unit being Shitizen calvery
I saw it first! 😆
Heir, glad that you're back in Rome 2. It's copium for me.
Royal Peltasts are based
I want to be a Royal Peltast when I grow up.
@@HeirofCarthage Carthaginian Royal Peltasts confirmed?
I don't understand people calling macedon bad, they have a solid spear line like any other greek faction
for multiplayer, lots of other factions simply outclass it, its a solid faction but not great compared to others.
It will be much better if u record multiplayer siege battles and even better if there are at least 4 players 2vs2 or more it will be more interesting battles💘💘💘
This game is horribly balanced...
Watching this without DEI installed after years of playing that is like listening to someone speak in a foreign language
It’s a shame how bad Macedon is, one of the great factions in TW
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