Not boring for me honestly. The groundstrokes and defense by both were terrific.. Djokovic only won because his serve was better and commited lesser unforced errors
One major reason Andy did not win more slams is due to his lack of agression. He can rally with the best of them but he was rarely offensive-minded against the Big 3. That's why he only has 3 slams vs 5/6.
They are near identical players, Djokovic is just better in most regards. Murray's a better slicer/volleyer but that's about it, doesn't have the power on either wing nor the ball placement of Djoker
After backer came on board Novak's second serve, slice backhand and volleys improved tremendously. He is as good as Murray now though Murray hits the ball even more flat on his BH side
Murray had more power on both wings, the problem is he couldn't always control it as he isn't capable of generating enough spin so is forced to play within himself most of the time. I believe he has the biggest shots of the top 4 apart from maybe Rafa's FH when he fully flattens it out. Peak Fed's FH too (before the more spin oriented stroke from 08 onwards) comes pretty close but imo it's still a fraction behind Rafa and Murray's biggest bombs.
Federer is so unlucky that Djokovic just happened to play what might have been the best match of his career against him in the semifinals, Djokovic played nowhere near the same level in the final, but it was still plenty good enough to beat Murray, who wasn't playing too badly himself. If Federer met this Djokovic, it would have been a much closer and more competitive match that could have gone either way.
To be fair, it´s not like Federer and Nadal DIDN´T let this happen (that would haben meant beating them on court I understand). They just took advantage of these two being not 100%.
When I was younger and clueless, I thought this match was boring. Now that I know more about tennis, I look at this match, and in retrospective man, this match was insane. People with tennis knowledge know this final was great. I mean, that 2nd set is one of the best in Grand Slams. Murray really tried, he was really aggressive, forcing Djokovic to play some meters behind the baseline. But Novak was just better. His returns were too much for Murray's game.
Henny Huang It was also just a much better match. Djokovic was playing arguably the best match of his career (with Doha 2016 final as a close second.) Yet Federer still managed to fight back in that third set to take one from him. It was a very high quality match, and Roger was unlucky to face an incredibly strong Djokovic, otherwise the scoreline would have been tighter. This match, in comparison, is dull. There's no energy. Neither of them were playing particularly well. Federer would have stomped Murray in straights, like he has in the past few years Federer would have had a very solid chance versus Djokovic if he played like he did here in the final, rather than how he played in the semis.
MrPatrickbuit Federer had a good shot to beat Djokovic in the semis but only if he would play like in the third set by giving himself more time on his groundies
Yes but Djokovic would never put such a boring display against Federer. He was bored himself against Murray. Federer brings the best out of him. I mean its Federer. The same goes for Nadal.
the courts at AO are getting slower and slower every year. hardly any winners from players. seems they are just practicing. most of the rallies are similar :(
Good match. Goundstrokes were terrific. Djokovic was only more consistent then Murray, which is why he won. Otherwise, these two had an incredible battle.
Murray’s game simply lacks variety in terms of angles shot selection. He seems content to just push the ball down the middle of the court and relies on his consistency.
I agree, in the past Murray used to go for more drop shots which he does well, but going toe to toe with a hot Djoko from the baseline without variations of slice, net approach, drop shots is a very difficult and demanding task..
Not really sure what some of these comments are on about. The quality of this match was absolutely incredible. It seems like every other point was a great rally. Maybe I’m just too used to watching tennis in 2024
Djokovic's game is too similar to Murrays. Murray has to be more agressive to beat him in big matches, like he was able to do more often around 2012/2013
This has got to be one of the most boring grand slam finals I've ever seen. I've watched this only twice now and I've watched the 2017 AO final at least 15 times
Personally, I felt the first set was great but after that, they were going at it at 3/4 pace and it was difficult to watch. What on earth was those last two sets... but Novak had it under control when it really mattered, he just seemed out of it in the less important moments. Murray played better as the match wore on but otherwise, he wasn't going after the ball and wasn't one of his better matches.
Murray really is a great player. But you can really see that while he defended as well or better than anyone, he just can’t create offense out of thin air the way the Big 3 can.
I am in no position to criticise. I think one of the reasons why the modern day players have so much injury is their relentless pursuit of that "one more ball". They need to be more aggressive and attack the net. So many points on this video is just dogged rallies.
George Georgio Frankly, due to advancements in physique, racquet technology, and court baselining has become the best risk/reward strategy by a landslide. These players want to win, even if it means risking an injury.
Murray in the first two sets just pats the ball back to Djokovic as if he's already given up 😂 No intent to win other than finally in the 3rd set he shows some aggression and keeps it alive until grandly choking in the tie break. How does this guy even get to the finals playing this kind of 'pat the ball back to the opponent kind of tennis' all the time.. SMH
Credit to Djokovic for being so good that the world #2 had no chance. So this match was boring in the same way that Nadal vs. Federer matches at the French Open were.
MrPatrickbuit What i would like to see from Murray in this matchup is the hard backhand cross court into, he should trade cross court backhand exchanges with djokovic. As a change up he should play deep to the Centre and quickly look to jump for that hard cross court backhand or move him side side by taking the balk early . Can change up things even more by coming in after the backhand.
Ertugrul Körpinar Look, we can sit out here and discuss what Murray should and shouldn't do, but do you really think a team of at least 5 professional coaches couldn't come up with an ideal gameplan? I'm sure he has the idea, it's just very difficult to executre.
MrPatrickbuit that’s not the point im trying to give some useful patterns , if it’s according to you , we shouldn’t even debate about their baseline game but we’re fans
Thanks 4 the video. few thinks to notice for Murray/ or his team,. Try to hit the ball harder will not work against Novak. May be slower shots with surprise placement should have tried. and be an aggressor never be defensive!!. I think Murray has more weapons.. but you also need to know the weakness of your opponents..
Gpaul326 exactly , you have to padlock him with mid central balls , give the ball more Air and make use of that floating slice , given the chance you have to be agressive
How is Andy Murray #1 right now?? I understand he rarely misses but he has a losing record against Nadal, Federer, and Djokovic. He just kind of floats his shots with barely any spin. If he actually hit with more spin and more depth and obviously POWER he would win way more.
This endless back and forth is a nightmare. This last decade of tennis has taken us to new heights, but man has it turned boring. We need variation again. We need faster courts, we need something else besides back, and forth, back and forth, back and forth... When the most entertaining guy on your is almost 40, we know tennis is in trouble.
I prefer this “back and fourth” then what we saw in the 90s which was either an average of 2 shot rallies or clay courts that play even slower then today’s clay courts. Tennis is the best it’s ever been
Rafa past his prime vs Roger past his prime in AO2017 was a much better final than these two in their prime years. Something about this match up that ruins tennis in my opinion.
Ahora dilo sin llorar. El "no mejor" Djokovic te aseguro que le ha ganado mas de 10 veces al mejor Federer y al mejor Nadal, no diga idioteces si no sabe, Nole es un excelente tenista y si rcupera pronto su motivación va camino a ser el mejor tenista de la historia con el correr de los años teniendo en cuenta su edad. Hasta ahora Federer es el mejor pero Djokovic es mucho mejor que Nadal
All I see is a lot of Murray floating balls into the middle at 1/2 pace. Why does he not go for more depth, power, angles, etc... but nope he just floats into the middle
Murray has a better backhand here but djokovic's fitness was on top and when murray needed a forehand he couldnt thread it but otherwise similarly great exchanges and the fitness won.
No Djokovic is better in every area compared to murray.Big 3 in different league in terms of talent and achievement.Murray despite being talented than Medvedev and co couldn't stop them at his prime.
%45 physical %35 mental %20 technique Fitness is a major factor hence nadals recent form (30 years old) and federers last grand slam win 2012 (30 years old) And stan wawrinka has just won his last grand slam at the ripe old age of 31 , he will not win another :( A 25 year old federer would beat a 35 year old federer every single day
Came back here 5 years later, and find out how much I miss battles between healthy young Big 4 ...
Not boring for me honestly. The groundstrokes and defense by both were terrific.. Djokovic only won because his serve was better and commited lesser unforced errors
"only won?" these are not small things. these are things that are necessary to win.
Djokovic has the sexiest backhand I've ever seen
that would be nalbandian for the two handers
You never watched Safin or Nalbandian? That’s unfortunate for you
@@GabrielGardner-wx2ph no way is their backhand better than Novak's famed backhand... No way
One major reason Andy did not win more slams is due to his lack of agression. He can rally with the best of them but he was rarely offensive-minded against the Big 3. That's why he only has 3 slams vs 5/6.
They are near identical players, Djokovic is just better in most regards. Murray's a better slicer/volleyer but that's about it, doesn't have the power on either wing nor the ball placement of Djoker
I would say that Murray's cross court - backhand had a bit more power than Djokovic. It was extremly good back in the days..
After backer came on board Novak's second serve, slice backhand and volleys improved tremendously. He is as good as Murray now though Murray hits the ball even more flat on his BH side
Murray had more power on both wings, the problem is he couldn't always control it as he isn't capable of generating enough spin so is forced to play within himself most of the time. I believe he has the biggest shots of the top 4 apart from maybe Rafa's FH when he fully flattens it out. Peak Fed's FH too (before the more spin oriented stroke from 08 onwards) comes pretty close but imo it's still a fraction behind Rafa and Murray's biggest bombs.
I think Murray is quite a bit better at net. The only problem is with both Murray and Djokovic being baseliners it doesn't make much of a difference
They aren’t identical at all. Djokovic is proactive Murray is reactive.
Fed and Nadal were watching this thinking: We can not let this happen again.
Fed and Nadal were watching this thinking : How could they get into the final?
Federer is so unlucky that Djokovic just happened to play what might have been the best match of his career against him in the semifinals, Djokovic played nowhere near the same level in the final, but it was still plenty good enough to beat Murray, who wasn't playing too badly himself. If Federer met this Djokovic, it would have been a much closer and more competitive match that could have gone either way.
Yeh but same happened at Wimbledon 2015. Fed played amazing agasint Murray in the semi but couldn't agasint Djokovic in the final.
liam holloway it’s because fed wasn’t executing his game plan well against djokovic, Novak also have a different ball trajectory
To be fair, it´s not like Federer and Nadal DIDN´T let this happen (that would haben meant beating them on court I understand). They just took advantage of these two being not 100%.
When I was younger and clueless, I thought this match was boring. Now that I know more about tennis, I look at this match, and in retrospective man, this match was insane. People with tennis knowledge know this final was great. I mean, that 2nd set is one of the best in Grand Slams.
Murray really tried, he was really aggressive, forcing Djokovic to play some meters behind the baseline.
But Novak was just better. His returns were too much for Murray's game.
i think no can beat djokovic when hez in top form... no one!
Nadal on clay
@@invictus9022 Exactly, on clay.
Maybe dominic thiem at his best , and stan wawrinka version 2013 /2014
Lets get one thing clear, Murray's game style is the boring one, Djokovic on the other hand is phenomenal and entertaining to watch.
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I was recommended sleeping material and sent here.
casamir111 I took a nap and still playing -__-. Nothing special just a million strokes.
Djokovic vs Federer should of been the final.
Henny Huang how lol they met in the semis
I meant that their match was a lot better than this. A lot more entertaining
Henny Huang It was also just a much better match. Djokovic was playing arguably the best match of his career (with Doha 2016 final as a close second.) Yet Federer still managed to fight back in that third set to take one from him. It was a very high quality match, and Roger was unlucky to face an incredibly strong Djokovic, otherwise the scoreline would have been tighter. This match, in comparison, is dull. There's no energy. Neither of them were playing particularly well.
Federer would have stomped Murray in straights, like he has in the past few years
Federer would have had a very solid chance versus Djokovic if he played like he did here in the final, rather than how he played in the semis.
MrPatrickbuit Federer had a good shot to beat Djokovic in the semis but only if he would play like in the third set by giving himself more time on his groundies
Yes but Djokovic would never put such a boring display against Federer. He was bored himself against Murray. Federer brings the best out of him. I mean its Federer. The same goes for Nadal.
Who’s here after Djokovic destroyed Nadal in AO 19?
Mind your words
@@TheKakarot_itachi why would he? You might have commented like this before.
@@TheKakarot_itachi I am a novak fan but I respect rafa a lot
@@TheKakarot_itachi so? He did destroy him
the courts at AO are getting slower and slower every year. hardly any winners from players. seems they are just practicing. most of the rallies are similar :(
Good match. Goundstrokes were terrific. Djokovic was only more consistent then Murray, which is why he won. Otherwise, these two had an incredible battle.
Yeah 🤡 i agree with you. He lost 4 finals to Djokovic at ao.
Andy Murray is a hard worker great player and a great charity worker he is a legend
This years is so much faster...
It wasn't. Watch fed vs Djokovic I the same tournament semis
Murray’s game simply lacks variety in terms of angles shot selection. He seems content to just push the ball down the middle of the court and relies on his consistency.
I agree, in the past Murray used to go for more drop shots which he does well, but going toe to toe with a hot Djoko from the baseline without variations of slice, net approach, drop shots is a very difficult and demanding task..
Murray's speed and defensive abilities from the baseline can beat virtually anybody but not against Djokovic.
Murray's sound effects are everything 😂😂😂😂
why u abruptly finish your video?
wonderful match.... i love it
standards have fallen
マレーの緩急を生かしたテニス好き
Not really sure what some of these comments are on about. The quality of this match was absolutely incredible. It seems like every other point was a great rally. Maybe I’m just too used to watching tennis in 2024
This almost lulled me to sleep
I fell asleep watching live because it just got bored
Djokovic's game is too similar to Murrays. Murray has to be more agressive to beat him in big matches, like he was able to do more often around 2012/2013
Are u Djokovic coach 🤡.
Loving Andy here playing tennis 💯 ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
golden era of tennis
Weakest era. Dopovic won in this era (2015-2023)😂
@@mysticnomad89 weakest era Zverev destroyed Rafa in straight sets at RG 🤫
Longest rallies I've ever seen- insane.
djokovic played more consistently than murray at this battle djokovic showed he was a bit in the upper class
helps me to fall asleep when i dont want to :)
Great Epic Championship For Djokovic 🏆 .
its a lot better without those useless irritating commentators. i can focus better watching it.
God I will never forget how fucking good Djoker was this tournament
Why does Murray grunt while running towards the ball. More like 'wah' while running and Then while hitting the shot 'eeen'
I know it's so annoying
Great game . Thanks
マレーがドロップ拾う時の「あっ、あっ、、」が笑ってしまうw
This has got to be one of the most boring grand slam finals I've ever seen. I've watched this only twice now and I've watched the 2017 AO final at least 15 times
just two years ago Djokovic could win any Grand Slam now he cannot get anywhere.
24 > 22 > 20 .... hihihihi.... Djokovic solved elbow injury by surgery after two long years and immediately started to win again.
Damn, why is the game so slow
Brutally long rallies
Djokovic did Andy dirty. what a player. like a well fortified border, can't get through him.
Two double faults in the tie-break is unforgivable.
GO DJOKOVIC! he is my hero he is the best also jo naka you spelt her its here
and Murray was palying the best tennis of his life at that tournament.
Not even close
a faster court would make it more exciting to watch.. the slugfest is a bit too much
2016 AO was fast.Not as fast as 2017-2019 but still fast.
This matchup can make any court look slow. See the fed vs Djokovic sf
In thé semi thé court was very fast @@dpa71999
Personally, I felt the first set was great but after that, they were going at it at 3/4 pace and it was difficult to watch. What on earth was those last two sets... but Novak had it under control when it really mattered, he just seemed out of it in the less important moments. Murray played better as the match wore on but otherwise, he wasn't going after the ball and wasn't one of his better matches.
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Murray really is a great player. But you can really see that while he defended as well or better than anyone, he just can’t create offense out of thin air the way the Big 3 can.
Dude Roger won only 4 slams between 2010 to 2020 and three of them when novak was absent , Murray is as good as roger or maybe better
@@saiparayan4047 Your comment is so misguided lol.
@@saiparayan4047 rofl so u choose the time period which suits u? Roger was winning slam at 37. Murray don't belong there.
If Murray upgraded his forehand stroke more aggressively, he will win more grandslams.
I am in no position to criticise. I think one of the reasons why the modern day players have so much injury is their relentless pursuit of that "one more ball". They need to be more aggressive and attack the net. So many points on this video is just dogged rallies.
George Georgio Frankly, due to advancements in physique, racquet technology, and court baselining has become the best risk/reward strategy by a landslide. These players want to win, even if it means risking an injury.
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Hope that this year the final is gonna be between someone who play more offensive tennis. The surface is much faster..that is the good news
zapokaratmarat it was, tks God
I miss the old Djokovic.
Love U Djokovic U Will Be Best Player Ever 😘😘❤️💕💖💗💗💟
I want kisses too
Highlights of the match: "EHH; EHH;EHH.."
Joker murdered Murray...He went on his talk-show and shot him in front of a live audience
Murray in the first two sets just pats the ball back to Djokovic as if he's already given up 😂 No intent to win other than finally in the 3rd set he shows some aggression and keeps it alive until grandly choking in the tie break. How does this guy even get to the finals playing this kind of 'pat the ball back to the opponent kind of tennis' all the time.. SMH
sy 177 cause he dosent play “pat the ball back” you just don’t understand tennis which is fine cause neither does 90% of the comment section.
13:55 longest rally like ever??
Lets be realistic, this was an extremely boring match
world tour finals were extreme, they didn´t even go for winners, and every serve preparation takes forever
How come was set 2 boring, look at the intensity of most of the points.
Credit to Djokovic for being so good that the world #2 had no chance. So this match was boring in the same way that Nadal vs. Federer matches at the French Open were.
just as wimbledon 2017 final
Kuldeep Adhikari yes very true
US Open 2012 and Wimbledon 2013 were even worse than this
This is honestly the hardest I've ever seen Murray hit the ball and it's still super slow
AidanTheTryhard you have no clue
Lmao you have not seen him pull some of those backhands crosscourt. He can fire away like a cannon sometimes.
MrPatrickbuit What i would like to see from Murray in this matchup is the hard backhand cross court into, he should trade cross court backhand exchanges with djokovic. As a change up he should play deep to the Centre and quickly look to jump for that hard cross court backhand or move him side side by taking the balk early . Can change up things even more by coming in after the backhand.
Ertugrul Körpinar Look, we can sit out here and discuss what Murray should and shouldn't do, but do you really think a team of at least 5 professional coaches couldn't come up with an ideal gameplan? I'm sure he has the idea, it's just very difficult to executre.
MrPatrickbuit that’s not the point im trying to give some useful patterns , if it’s according to you , we shouldn’t even debate about their baseline game but we’re fans
Thanks 4 the video. few thinks to notice for Murray/ or his team,. Try to hit the ball harder will not work against Novak. May be slower shots with surprise placement should have tried. and be an aggressor never be defensive!!. I think Murray has more weapons.. but you also need to know the weakness of your opponents..
Try to hit the ball harder seems to helped Del Potro to defeat Novak.
Agree, and no one hit harder than Del Potro, and that caused his wrist injury in the first place..
ouch
Gpaul326 exactly , you have to padlock him with mid central balls , give the ball more Air and make use of that floating slice , given the chance you have to be agressive
How is Andy Murray #1 right now?? I understand he rarely misses but he has a losing record against Nadal, Federer, and Djokovic. He just kind of floats his shots with barely any spin. If he actually hit with more spin and more depth and obviously POWER he would win way more.
This endless back and forth is a nightmare. This last decade of tennis has taken us to new heights, but man has it turned boring. We need variation again. We need faster courts, we need something else besides back, and forth, back and forth, back and forth... When the most entertaining guy on your is almost 40, we know tennis is in trouble.
I prefer this “back and fourth” then what we saw in the 90s which was either an average of 2 shot rallies or clay courts that play even slower then today’s clay courts. Tennis is the best it’s ever been
Rafa past his prime vs Roger past his prime in AO2017 was a much better final than these two in their prime years. Something about this match up that ruins tennis in my opinion.
Ahora dilo sin llorar. El "no mejor" Djokovic te aseguro que le ha ganado mas de 10 veces al mejor Federer y al mejor Nadal, no diga idioteces si no sabe, Nole es un excelente tenista y si rcupera pronto su motivación va camino a ser el mejor tenista de la historia con el correr de los años teniendo en cuenta su edad. Hasta ahora Federer es el mejor pero Djokovic es mucho mejor que Nadal
too much defense, need some aggression at least to excite things.
Djoković Murray in Doha 2017 was better than Federer Nadal final 2017
I watched it with a Linkin Park´s music
2017 finals was miles better. Bcoz it was matchup of contrasting styles. Too much pushing here
もうちょっと続きやってくれ
Reminded of James Bond, this is what i think of murray "All those feathers and he still cant fly"
All I see is a lot of Murray floating balls into the middle at 1/2 pace. Why does he not go for more depth, power, angles, etc... but nope he just floats into the middle
RizeOfTheBlazers - NBA 2k Gameplay & More He was tired this match
LOVE DJOKO
These two can rally until the cow's come home..!
th-cam.com/video/Qa9Zg6yGlQ4/w-d-xo.html ;o)
이게벌써2년전...
Fine to watch on tv but probably fun to watch live in Rod laver arena
Will Djokovic himself see this for inspiration and come back to his old shelf? Let the almighty support the champion.
He's back
The book fell on my head- I can only blame my "shelf". ;o)
Anyone here after murray's aus open 2019 possible retirement?
yes
Not
Tennis not loss This guy
I want This murray back but
He back :)
very good
second set all fucking rallys, amazing. both solid
EPIC match
マレーに５ゲーム連続とるは強すぎ
Murray Djokovic finals after 2012 are so boring
what Bad Are the Playing?
Compare this to the 2017 final,this was boring and repetitive,2017 exciting and great
Murray has a better backhand here but djokovic's fitness was on top and when murray needed a forehand he couldnt thread it but otherwise similarly great exchanges and the fitness won.
No Djokovic is better in every area compared to murray.Big 3 in different league in terms of talent and achievement.Murray despite being talented than Medvedev and co couldn't stop them at his prime.
Joker beat him 4times at oz finals, once at rg final...
Murray beat him once at Wimbledon final and once at uso final...
Where is finish from that match? Novak djokovic is the best player ever
これ何回見てるかわからん
Andy Murray wasn't aggressive enough
No net shot attack or drop shots at all. Imagine Federer.... Multiple drop shot would have come.
Pure brutal game , its too tiring for the body...
Nole is come back to King
Man I Love Novaks Form here
Ertugrul Körpinar mee to
Ciprian Ghenghea groundies looked stylish here
Ertugrul Körpinar full if motivation here mate.
no variety in his game or drop shots, when he plays against murray is boring and defensive, not happen agaist Federer and Nadal
Logan00710 because it’s a different ball game
Murray so useless in AO finals and more useless when facing Nole
murray made more unforced error in the match
What type of court is this?
Tennis court.
Is there a name for the type of ground. Like clay, grass courts
Hard court. Plexicushion. It's reasonably slow compared to some other hard-courts (like the US open and the ones in Asia)
MURは草
ジョコビッチってミス少ないよなぁ
%45 physical %35 mental %20 technique
Fitness is a major factor hence nadals recent form (30 years old) and federers last grand slam win 2012 (30 years old)
And stan wawrinka has just won his last grand slam at the ripe old age of 31 , he will not win another :(
A 25 year old federer would beat a 35 year old federer every single day
r y a dumb
You're indirectly trying to make an excuse for Fed getting decimated in the SF.
omid ebrahimi 4 sets is not decimated , could be a good match if fed wasn’t so stubborn about giving himself more time on his groundstrokes
Murray hit the net so many times in the final it was a very poor performance, remember watching it at the time
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Needed some sleeping material