Ye this is what happens when different company’s, writers, directors and just everyone get to do media for a big franchise with loose guidelines there’s always gonna be contradictions especially with Star Wars (thanks Disney) but what bugs me are those weirdly obsessed Star Wars fans that get mad when u point out that the Star Wars timeline has a bunch of holes and then they try so hard to make reasons for the plot holes and it’s like bruh DADDY
@@epicphantom589 when you wrote fan fiction about the ewok people being uplifted technologically and educationally into a first rate species, and joining the republic as a minor member, with 3-4 ewok fighters joining Leia and Han's household guard in their skyscraper quarters on courascant. This begins a long history of republic and ewok relations, as ewoks on the moon are drafted to patrol it for stranded imperials, and uplifted educated ewoks turn to droid and computer repair and light guard service with the republic. They make great ceremonial guards who can still be useful if a real fight ever came. I also believe luke finds one force sensitive ewok. Its a descendant of the ewoks from the ewok adventure movies, to make the continuity make sense, and you can say the heroic nature of the ewoks involved were signs of their force sensitivity, leading to the great candidate of that ewok padawan. Some ewoks even become pilots or merchants, and the slow migration of second generation post ds2 ewoks and their comfortable positions during the construction of the new republic.
It also destroys Anakin's credibility because he knew that Palpatine was alive in Exegol with a literal future fleet of planet killers and he told no one of this as a Force ghost.
Luke did know about Exegol. Anakin likely told him about Exegol but Anakin himself didn't know that Sidious was capable of soul transference. Anakin might have assumed that the Sith Eternal was merely a secretive faction of the Galactic Empire and underestimated the cult's independence from the Empire.
I agree. The reason why Palpatine is not in pain is because he has complete embrace of the darkside. Vader being in pain means there is still good in him.
@@tylerlamb9930 exactly. That is when Vader realized this goes beyond Darkside. That is why the force gave him the vision telling him he can destroy sidings it was his destiny
Could both be true? Maybe Palpatine had acquired Anakin's arm and began his experiments. But, due to technology limitations or age, Anakin's arm decayed and was no longer useful, so Palpatine had to put his project on hold because there wasn't much left on Vader to consume for his experiments. Until Luke lost his hand, and fresh Skywalker flesh was available Once more.
He is powerful but a lot of the comics just some really over the top moments which would never feel right in a mainline movie for example adding to the disconnect. But yeah he's great in the comics i just don't really care this story at the moment characters we know going on over the top adventures in between the original trilogy just doesn't felt right.
@@EmperorFist323 vader vs quinlan is believable since he survived order 66 and we dont know where he ended up. Vader vs maul also kinda makes sense cause it would explain why he was kinda scared of him in rebels
@@CaptainAmercia vice versa. Technology is finally allowing us to experience what the story tellers envision in their head just as they do with the comics
@@bronxx4817 Vader vs maul also explains how the crimson dawn, a organization that rivals if not surpasses the hutts, were crippled almost out of existence. Can imagine Vader and 501st storming their base. Quinlan vs Vader might lead to quinlans capture and conversion to darkside. If he survives he would be an extremely formidable and dangerous villain/anti hero for Luke and ahsoka in Mando era
I don’t think it makes sense for Palps to have Anakin’s hand, he literally preforms so many medical procedures on him that he would have near infinite DNA samples of Anakin.
@@Sparkle.Glider The only reason that doesn't work, is because of the millions of ships that found it without one at the end of the movie. I think it's kinda like, once you know, or someone knows tells you, then you can whenever. Which is how Ben was able to come back to it.
@@revan5851 As Kylo and the millions (possibly trillions) of other ships that show up at the end of the movie can show us. You only need someone else to tell you how.
My guess is Vader suspected that palpatine would try and put himself in the clones body in which he did so he didn’t want to send his son to where palpatine was because Vader knew all to well that Luke would be able to beat him at his current state
I think Palpatine was susceptible to the pain, but he fully embraced it and didn’t react even though he actually was also in horrific pain. Look at his demeanor as he was being fried by his own lightning off Windu’s saber, he was actually speaking rather calmly with all his urgency toward only Anakin choosing to save him, not with how much pain he was in. Versus Luke’s reaction to being zapped.
These "canon" (Disney) comics couldn't possibly get any dumber at this point. :P ....And you can just throw that claim of "a thousand times more powerful than the galaxy has ever seen" straight into the trash. Look what happened to that fleet of Star Destroyers in "Rise of Skywalker".
This takes place shortly after Empire Strikes Back, which means that Emperor did a hell of a lot of cloning with Luke's hand is a very short amount of time. Using the hand of the chosen one over a period of decades, one slice at a time, makes more sense. My only complaint about this storyline is the more powerful they make Palpatine, the less believable it is that Rey would be the one to take him out.
@@jamesl4008 To think george gave star wars to disney because he thought he was too old and the sequel trilogy and tv series he planned wouldn't be made because he could die first . He is still freaking alive and we got an insult of a disney trilogy and the star wars brand being milked to the death by disney
@@samtagg8754 Palpatine could have retrieved Anakin's hand from his first battle with Dooku. That would have given him decades of cloning experiments, and it would maybe explain why he was so quick to destroy Kamino...he already had the genetic material that he needed with Anakin's hand to move his cloning operations to Exegol.
Palpatine wasnt effected cause he's a psycho/sociopath so he revels in it while Vader still uses emotions to fuel himself with his depression two very separate worlds. But this type of Palpatine reminds me of the ancient Sith and how they saw the force in a much bigger way and used it in a much bigger way.
and also if Palpatine was also responsible for teh creation of the first order why would he get them to build star killer base, if he had these death star star destroyers being built at the time of the OT, then surely he would've had a few ready to be sent out for the first order to use instead of a planet size weapon death star, he could've sent a few out and destroyed the new republic way more subtley then having a huge planet-sized death star you know what disney sequel trilogy isnt canon to me, palps died at the end of the OT and all this crap with exegol doesnt happen, it just makes my brain hurt thinking about it
As writing goes, having Palpatine creating an Armada of planet killers at the same time as the second death Star is lazy and uninspired. Lazy because it is done to just support the return of Palpatine. Uninspired because we got to see two space stations and a planet blown up previously all with the same weaponry.
@@BRONZALiVE That was the planet I mentioned . Having the armada being created by Palpatine at all makes no sense. His endgame was to lure in the bulk of the Republic Fleet, destroy them and to claim Luke as his apprentice. For this he had to be there at DS2 and be confident that this plan would work. Having a contingency plan or two to preserve the Empire should he fail would make sense but not creating a ghost fleet of planet killers on a ghost planet that none of the enemies could find . Not when he still lived. Think Revan's holocron that outlined the rule of two. The whole Jaku and Exogol addition to the lore counters the narrative. In many ways they copied a few of Plaguies' characteristics into Palpatine. Turning him into the next Sith mad scientist seeking immortality. A trait that was established in the novel that Palpatine saw as weakness.
Ochi of Bestoon is such a cool looking character. I really hope that we one day learn more about him. Dude literally caught a lightsaber thrown at him by Darth Vader. So he's got to be a seriously trained warrior. Plus he is super agile and can jump pretty damn high for a character thats not force sensitive.
Disney are really trying hard to make Exegol relevant lol. I think deep down Disney knows that they messed up with the terrible Disney trilogy. But are doubling down and referencing everything from Episode 7-9. So desperate.
Desperate or Determined? Desperate was to at the last minute was to bring back Palpatine. Determined is to continue to try and tie in their weaknesses into the previous 6 films.
@@katerbiller04 I mean it makes sense. I wasn't a big fan of the prequel era until The Clone Wars and a crap-ton of other ancillary material *_made it_* into something I enjoyed.
Dude they have to have a consistent canon. It makes no sense to ignore it how or when was starkillerbase was made or when was the exegol fleet made or where did smoke come from? You need these questions answered. For casual movie watching you don't need to know but when watching in a full saga you need to connect the dots
@@Xelpherpolis at least the prequels made sense and were created with a plan in mind. They weren't sure if Rey was a Palpatine even during ep 9's filming and during that they were swaying over it.
Well it was always a clone, why did this clone have dark side stability and was so powerful, Luke, the only other being other than anakins uh corpse or ig maybe the kylo ren dyad, and ofc palpatine that can muster up this amount of well, Force. All the other Jedi are dead and maybe if he got it from the bison true force beholder that’s in Rebels that would make sense, palpatine could have personally dominated the creature I believe that. But no him being a clone was where they messed up, they’re tryna make the best out the doo doo they have left to work with
Yup it also brings up the same problem that introducing Hashirama Cells into the story in Naruto. It instantly gave them the ability to undo everything that happened. Here you have the ability to to just explain any shenanigans away by oh it's a clone of Luke.
@@starrynight7783 hashirama cells were used everwhere in naruto, luke cells were only used once outside of his body here, plus i think its a logical explanation as to why snoke was as strong as he was, he had the cells of the force user with the most potential of all time, Obviosuly snoke was incomplete which explains why he wasnt stronger. If they use it 8 more times like in naruto sure i can see why its an issue, but a once off thing is fine and even makes sense. I agree its not original and a bit of wasted potential but its not outlandish
Its not that bad, think of the medical technology of the verse, palpatines intelligence in relation to the verse and think of how it pretty cleanly explains snokes power albiet not in the most original way. Its unoriginal but not bad
@@Mmmm-tx6qc Sure it's a logical answer to why Snoke is so powerful, but it absolutely destroys everything. The fact that you can clone at least 6 Snokes (i've never counted how many were in that vat in RoS) from however much genetic information they had from Luke. The Kaminoans were able to clone Jango Fett from a very limited supply of DNA millions and millions of times over for years past his death, but let's grant that midichlorians won't let you clone force users perfectly or maybe it takes more DNA. An untrained Rey was able to defeat Luke in combat. Snoke absolutely shat on Rey in the throne room in that same movie. That means that with the number of Snokes that Old Palps had access to he could've absolutely destroyed the resistance without the use of Kylo Ren. The problem isn't the fact that they used his cells it's the sheer amount of fuckery that the implication of them using his cells causes. Because they could have a squadron of Snokes with the Force abilities of Luke MFin Skywalker. No matter how good Luke is he can't contend with 6 people with 75% of his strength.
@Cody Brock I mean at once. But, even then, one Death Star was enough to scare the Rebels. And Palps is mass producing those Star Destroyers. So, you can just send out a couple (or even one) and still keep building the rest. And because one would be destroyed, that doesn't mean the rest are gone.
Wait wait wait. So palpatine had that giant fleet where every ship had a deathstar laser on it that could destroy a planet? So why the hell is he trying to make the death stars when he has this fleet? This new canon makes no sense
It's actually pretty simple, the fleet wasn't ready yet. Think about it, we're beginning to build next gen aircraft while still finishing last gen aircraft.
@@randallmay6345 yeah, but why would you spend a ridiculous amount of resources on a Death Star when you are already building a fleet of much smaller and more nimble ship that can do the same thing. Wouldn’t it make more sense to put the recourses from the Death Star into the Death Stardestroyer fleet so that the fleet can be completed quicker, or have more ships.
I feel they oversell Palpatine or undersell Vader! If Vader is the winning ticket for the Republic and Sidious! Why would Sidious need him so badly if he was so superior? The writers write themselves into a corner. The better story would be show Vaders increased power over time and Sidious becoming concerned about it. Not constantly reiterating how much more powerful Sidious was we know how dangerous Sidious is he destroyed the Republic and the Jedi and now he's bullying Vader! What's the point? The Vader comics should be about his rivalries towards the Emperor's favour, destroying the remnants of the Jedi and exploring his secret feeling about Luke! (Not leah as he finds out about her 15 mins before he dies!) Instead we get this drivel! It just feels like Disney doesn't like Vader at all!
Thats the problem with trying to justify the failures of disneyverse. Even going so far as to make snoke interesting again by making him a failed luke clone. Or the fact you have a giant sentient kyber mother crystal that somehow is the cores of the mega star destroyer planet killers but sith still need to bleed other crystals instead of just riping a part of this red mother crystal. At least in the old EU it showed just how strong vader could be.
@@ZeroOmega-vg8nq Yeah less is often more. Johnson ruined the sequal trilogy. Abrams wasn't great but he started something and Johnson buried it all in the sequal. The deaths didn't show any purpose. The bad guys got beat at every encounter it was just an action sequence with a lack of a decent story! A cloned Luke would have been better than Palpatine because the prophecy says Vader killed him to bring balance. Vader died a hero a perfect ending for him. So if you wanted an established character clone Luke was the way. Although I preferred the idea of someone new who was hiding because Palpatine was a little above his power levels.
Actually you're wrong. Vader, while powerful, was a mangled version of what he 'could have been'. While still one of the most powerful force users in existence, the damage he got inflicted with on Mustafar was so intense and far reaching that he was in effect 'crippled', never to reach his true potential (and therefore never be able to succeed Sidious on his own). The Rule of Two in Sith Mythology clearly dictated that it's purpose was that Both Master and Student where eternally locked in competition to one-up eachother. That way, even if the 'more powerful' master died, atleast the closest thing possible survived to keep on growing when the master essentially fell. This also meant that neither Apprentice or Master ever had to limit themselves in their pursuits of power. Vader never managed in Star Wars to overcome Palpatine. The Series makes a very harsh and clear point of this. Infact, Vader is defeated by his Son who, again, was too weak to square off against Palpatine himself either. Vader didn't really 'defeat' Sidious, he just committed suicide by grabbing the man and tossing him down the Reactor shaft. That is not a victory, it's mutually assured self-destruction. Darth Vader was certainly powerful enough to crush any run-off-the-mill Jedi or Sith, but against the Power-Ceiling that is Palpatine he was never capable enough to crush him on his own. Sidious knew this, he knew how crippled his 'greatest Creation' was, which is why he incessantly schemed to find a more worthy Suitor for the position of his Apprentice. Clones of himself, clones of Anakin and his family, Anakins family itself in terms of Luke, later on the distant relatives of Luke and Leia in the form of Kylo.
@@nkznkz3800 You miss so many variables it's unreal. Vader is a power house! But his suit is made to be susceptible to Sidious's Lightning ON PURPOSE! Because the Emperor knows how powerful Vader is! The suit also causes Vader pain to strengthen his connection to the dark side so while his potential is less his connection is actually greater because he is fuelled by dark emotions like hate Vaders hate is unrivalled he hates everything including himself. His dueling skill is also top tier not many can stand against him given he couldn't kill Luke because Anakin wouldn't allow it and Obi Wan causes him to take leave of logic and reason until he finally faces him on the Death Star and somehow manages to stay composed. Vader is the fist of the Empire and Sidious knows he's still an ominous threat to him!
@ND Needs a Freeman Factor on Offense yeah cuz watching through the political scenes, anakin and padme flirting and the whole jarjar thing was so pleasing. I remember everyone trashing the prequels just as much as the sequels. Well obviously not that obvious because of barely any online sites like youtube to post about it lol.
@@closponce Qui-Gon and the Force seemed to be hell-bent on destroying the jedi. At least thats what it seemed from that episode from TCW on Yoda's journey. Also, Qui-Gon also states that he failed to properly learn how to manifest himself, so just trying to get Yoda to seek out the priestesses took too much effort.
Luke would need a wayfinder. It’s possible Anakin told him that he needed to get one - which is why he was searching for it post-ROTJ. Force ghosts haven’t really outright told people what to do in canon because it’s against the will of the force.
@@callumgraham6272 "Obi-Wan Kenobi: [spirit appears in front of Luke] You will go to the Dagobah system. Luke Skywalker: [delirious] Dagobah system? Obi-Wan Kenobi: There you will learn from Yoda, the Jedi Master who instructed me." Sounds pretty explicit and direct. th-cam.com/video/MhIaXk36dIA/w-d-xo.html Unless its the Will of the Force that Jedi return, just to die again, and then have Luke become a useless hermit that died before even knowing about Exegol. Even after all his meditation on AchToo, he got nothing. Also, I'm pretty sure the new canon has Luke searching for AchToo and not Exegol.....
@@AlphaAurora “Useless hermit” is a funny choice of words considering we were just talking about Yoda...wouldn’t paint him with the same brush, no? Anakin can’t just say “go to Exegol” because it didn’t exist as far as anyone knew - which is why it’s so tough to navigate to. Meanwhile, Dagobah was a known system. New canon Luke was searching for the sith wayfinder with Lando, which would’ve shown him Exegol had he been able to find it. Rey picks up that trail in TROS.
i like to think that they fell BELOW Cloud City/Bespin, just like the trash tube threw Luke under the city. We never got to see what's below Cloud City, so that would be a grand story to see what's down there, while looking for the hand and the light saber. If kyber crystals are trackable (radiation, whatever), then it might be reasonable to think the hand was still gripping the handle and they could find it. Still, it might be like a 4 or 5 episode series of a team of "Finders," trying to find it, but meeting all kinds of non-war-related protagonists down there.
Now imagine the effect the kyber crystal mound would have if multiple light side force users were to purify the kyber crystal and stop it's pain. It may actually heal a force user.
I remember years back when the force awakens was in production, Luke's hand was intended to be a McGuffin for the film. I'm glad this comic reinstated it's cannon status. It brings things full circle.
So does Rey have Skywalker blood? Does this means that she is truly a Skywalker not only by name but by blood? If her dad was a strand-cast of Palpitine and possibly Luke's (hand) DNA that means she might have a portion of Skywalker in her.
@@impossible-bother2586 When did they do that. I thought Disney made these comics cannon they just pulled a character from the comics in the book of Boba Fett.
This further proves what ive been thinking about the obi wan show with those jedi frozen in that amber stuff. People think theyre trophies or prisoners, but I think its early testing of the snoke project, using the midoclorians in jedi's tissue to culture into mindless force sensitive vessels for him to control. As a additional part to this, you could say he was looking for stronger and stronger jedi to use, he would have used anakin had he not lost 70% of his body mass. But his son is far stronger in the force than vader, so his hand is well worth keeping to test on.
1. Disney didn't do anything. It was Lucasfilm. 2. Snoke was never very interesting to me. I only ever really saw him as just a blatant rip-off of Palpatine. The sequels have tons of issues, but imo killing off Snoke was a good one as Kylo was a much more interesting and unique main villain and should've been the main villain in TROS.
@@ignisinfernal1843 Disney had the scripts changed. Also, Snoke was not like Palpatine. He was older and he was stronger than him. Also, Palpatine wanted order, Snoke wanted to crush anyone who opposed him.
@@michelletackett9489 Disney doesn't micromanage. They just buy proven successes and take the money. Any changes in the script would've been done by Lucasfilm. Lucasfilm also was incredibly hands-off and just let the directors do their own thing without making a plan beforehand for them to work with. Snoke was never said to be older or more powerful in anything before or after TROS. Palpatine also wanted to crush anyone who opposed him. Both were old, powerful, disfigured, and mysterious dark side users who wore robes and lead a fascist dictatorship that fought against a rebel group and manipulated members of the Skywalker family to turn to the dark side and wear a mask who eventually turned on them and killed them (or seemed to in the case of Palpatine). In TFA and most of TLJ, there was nothing that made Snoke distinct from Palpatine.
@@michelletackett9489 There's no evidence of this I can find. If you can provide the novel, I'll look into it. Even then, it could always just have been meant as speculation/rumor or Snoke trying to make himself seem more intimidating. Also, the novels and comics that take place post-ROTJ weren't worked on by the people making the films and have been contradicting the films since TFA so it doesn't really say much.
@@geoffreyrichards6079 no, come on please, you know what he means. Plus Star Wars isn’t that goofy anyway. Oh wait, except for Jar Jar and a few characters, but the villains are not.
Very nice analysis Appreciate the details you noticed and your thoughts on them Nice reading comprehension. Nice work. May the Force be with you, always.
Hmm, I wonder if Palpatine was using an ability much lile Darth Sion. The pain always there, aware but almost numb. Keeping him alive and strong. That closeup of this face gave me that impression.
Sidings fully embodied the darkside. Vader simply cannot, he is still after all the chosen one. Even with all of Vader hatred, the pain of Kaberle crystal is simply to much for Vader. It even gave him a vision of the force reminding Vader it is his destiny to destroy sidious
@@EmperorFist323 I scrolled through quite a bit to get to this comment. A couple of notes. One... this entire event is just a testament to not only Vader's tenacity but his sheer power in the force, something even Palpatine realized. Palpatine never really questions Vader's power, only ever his potential. Sidious himself, as you mentioned, fully embodied the darkside. There's not even the slightest glimmer of light. There's no alternate him he constantly fights. Vader, however, was once good as Anakin, a glimmer of light he could never fully put out. To me, it was Anakin feeling the pain, not Vader. A true darksider, like Sidious, would be numb to it's cries. I doubt even Maul and Dooku would even be able to stand it. Dooku, being a darksiders, never embraced it as Vader and Maul. Maul, though very much embroiled in the darkside, just seems like he wouldn't be able to face off the Kyber still standing. I'm very proud of this comic series showing that for anyone less than Sidious, even by a small margin, Vader would annihilate them. However I do acknowledge that Disney, cleaning up their mess is quite obvious. It fills plotholes only to make new ones... soooo.... -_-
@@theramblingmillennial3770 I concur. Vaders will power, his might. His strength, his intellect, and his raw might in the force is beyond measure. Tbh, to me this comic series has truly shown that Vader truly is the chosen one. He cannot be defeated, and he is the only one who can stand to sidious. Sidious was able to fight off Yoda toe to toe aswell as mace. Yet, although sidious is significantly stronger now compared to ep 3 he dared not face Vader until he was surrounded by the unlimited power of the mountain of corrupted krystal
Luke did know about Exegol. Anakin likely told him about Exegol but Anakin himself didn't know that Sidious was capable of soul transference. Anakin might have assumed that the Sith Eternal was merely a secretive faction of the Galactic Empire and underestimated the cult's independence from the Empire. It should be noted that many Dark Side factions do exist like the Knights of Ren. The existence of the Sith Eternal is a classic Palpatine move as he had contingencies after contingencies. From the Vader comics, Sidious knew Vader was turning to the light likely sparking the reason for Sidious growing interested in Luke becoming Vader's replacement. However, Sidious underestimated Anakin's love for his son causing his sudden downfall. Sidious' plan was to use the Sith Fleet and his own Dark Side powers to eradicate any resistance against the First Order in Exegol. He would've been successful if Rey was not backed up by Jedi Force Ghosts, including Anakin.
@@Slender_Man_186 well said. it irritates me to no end that Rey just CLAIMED the skywalker name....out of thin air. no reason at all. no claim. she didnt even get FULLY trained by a skywalker, so she's not a GRADUATE of the Skywalker School of Hard Knocks.
@@thebigflop3118 general santis it is you that is wrong about a great many things... the dark web is a pathway to many abilities that some consider to be unnatural....
This comment actually made me sit down and rethink the entire family line, lol. If Kylo is Leia's kid, then he's Vaders grandkid. That would make Luke his uncle.
Except according to Disney it’s not Vader who destroys Palpatine but their Mary Sue named Rey. So it now looks like that not even Disney can keep its own garbage continuity straight.
@@callumgraham6272 Except Anakin trained for years to harness his force powers. Rey was using mind tricks after a couple of hours. Then Anakin/Vader trained for decades with powerful teachers guiding him to get as strong as he was. Rey beat Palpatine after a year, her training consisting of reading a book. Vader was literally a child borne of the force and he still need extensive training to use and harness his abilities. Years! Rey was using force powers the same afternoon she found out she was force sensitive and she was a child borne of people.
@@PugOverboard Canon has shown that peopled have harnessed the force without fully understanding. Luke uses the force when blowing up the 1st Death Star without any more than a day of training - hell they even have children using major force powers throughout the TV shows. Believe it or not, Luke beat Vader after a year. He literally has the same amount of training as Rey, only difference being he was trained by Yoda, whilst she was trained by both Skywalker twins. If Rey is a Mary Sue, then so is Luke and I guarantee you wouldn’t admit that lol.
@@callumgraham6272 Luke opened himself up to the force and heeded what it told him at the Death Star trench. THAT is something untrained force sensitives can do as established by canon. That’s also why his father Anakin was such a great pod racer. What has NEVER been established in canon is someone harnessing and using force abilities like the mind trick and telekinesis without any training at all. Again, even Anakin, conceived by the force itself had to train to do things like that. As for Luke, he trained with Yoda for days, possibly weeks before he left him at the end of empire strikes back. Rey had 3 thirty minute sessions, one of which consisted of nothing more then (not my) Luke complain about the Jedi the whole time. Even after that training with Yoda and year between ESB and ROTJ Luke was still nowhere near strong enough to beat Palpatine yet. The emperor would have killed Luke effortlessly if Vader hadn’t saved him in the end. Whereas Rey beat Palpatine almost without any effort. Finally, the only reason Luke beat Vader was because he momentarily skirted the dark side. If he hadn’t done that and if Vader hadn’t been going easy on Luke the whole battle then Luke would never have won that fight. So no, Luke is not a Mary Sue.
If snoke is Luke-like, a clone of sorts, but varied, maybe it explains why and how Luke is haunted by the dark side. Even where he nearly kills his nephew, Ben. The sith and co, poisoning the force, darkening the force even after the empire fell. And not just because palps still existed, but Luke's essence is being warped in a place of darkness.
It’s hilarious that after what Vader tried to do there to kill Palpatine, in Return of The Jedi he just threw him off from a platform in a few seconds and killed him instantly
So, why didn't Vader use this opportunity to dark force heal himself? The pain could've been used to fuel Vader's power and therefore he could fix his lungs and the such without breaking his focus.
Force healing is a light side ability The dark side version of force healing isn't "real" force healing, it doesn't repair damaged organs, it just makes them temporarily function again.
In Legends, I think Shadow of the Empire, he could heal himself and when he did, he started to feel relief from the constant pain, and it caused him to lose his connection to the dark side.
The Kyber served Sidious that is why it did not harm him. He had spent time there bonding and bleeding the crystal just an advantage he had its not that he was immune he was wielding it himself. What would have been funnier is if Vader snatched that power from him in Mortis level fashion and turned it back on palps and annihilated him.
The fact that Luke's hand was there makes me think that the strand-casts Palpatine was making were made not only with his genetic makeup, but Luke's. Being a Sith Palpatine was always seeking more power. He realized when he first met Anakin, how powerful he was, and as he watched him grow throughout the years how powerful he could become. Palpatine knew that Anakin would be a powerful ally and apprentice if he turned to the darkside. He also knew how much of a threat he could have been if he stayed a Jedi. This was also true for those born from the Skywalker bloodline, which is why he wanted Vader to turn Luke to the darkside, and eventually replace Vader as his apprentice. But that wouldn't stop Palpatine from seeking out ways to make himself more powerful. Using his vast power over the galaxy and his connections he probably had Luke's severed hand recovered and brought to Exegol to use his Skywalker DNA in his cloning experiments so as to add the power of the Skywalker bloodline to his own great level of power, and those of his strand-casts.
If that's the case during order 66 ALL jedi bodies should've been taken and used for cloning. Utilizing the tissue of some of the most powerful masters to make perfect clones.
The role of master and apprentice in the order of the Sith is truly the antithesis of the relationship between Master and Padawan in the order of the Jedi. Self-destructive, abusive, contentious, and cruel. And that dynamic the pupil will never ascend beyond the rule of apprentice when the master loves being in control. Not without his death at the pupil's hands.
Bruh idk this reminds me of some of the stupidest legends comics. Like palpating is getting power from a giant Kaiber crystal that is being tortured by dudes with saws to make it bleed? I always took sith “bleeding” their crystals not as literally physically hurting a crystal like it has a central nervous system but a more force/mental type scenario
This helps make sense of the original cut opening scene for The Force Awakens. I recall there being a cut scene with Luke’s hand floating through space. Which didn’t make much sense until now. However, this doesn’t mean I like this solution for making Snoke.
Though the hand would be disintegrated in that scene, as it was still attached to the lightsaber, while the lightsaber asteroided its way into Jakku, or Takodana. A second intro was more akin to a new hope, where Tantive IV-like ships towed a star destroyer with a similar position and made it crash into Jakku, which basically gave origin to the one we see in the film
My biggest issue with this issue is that Palps is building the Death Star Destroyers right now, while he’s building the Death Star 2. Why? Why build the second Death Star, it’s being made obsolete while it’s being built!
Perhaps he wanted the rebels to have a false sense of victory by destroying the Emperor and the second death there would be no more Empire all the while sidious would just hop in a new clone body and xontinue his fleet its a brilliant idea weather the rebels won at endor or lost Darth sidious wins
The Death Star 2 was built because Palps had to lead fear in the galaxy to continue his rule & destroy the rebel alliance but then Vader ruined it all lol
Here’s why that’s important Giant Kyber Crystals are used to power planet destroying super weapons like the Death Star and Starkiller Base For the Excelgol Star Destroyer Fleet used in Rise of Skywalker, they’re still being built But Palpatine revealed these Crystals are different Sith Sabers are red because Sith make their Crystals suffer until they bleed red The Excelgol Star Destroyers’ beams are red because their Kyber Crystals are made to suffer too Palpatine broke Vader to submission, making him feel the giant Kyber Crystals’ pain, showing him that as long as Vader walks with Sidious, he’ll always suffer. But it’s the only way he’ll share his power. That revelation broke Vader, and turned him back to Sidious’ side for now at least All this explains how Rise of Skywalker happened. Not only the presumed origin of Snoke, Palpatine’s survival in Clone bodies, but the Excelgol fleet and how dangerous they are compared to the Death Star All this was Palpatine’s plan for the future If he lived, then he’ll fortify his rule of the Empire with these weapons If he died, then he’s ready for the future
Remember when Disney trashed the EU because "It's too silly and disjointed"? And now we have... Luke's hand being retrieved from a gas giant, intact, and used to make clones. Some things just don't age well.
Well it would have made sense either because Count Dooku cut off Anakin's arm not his hand so it is definitely Luke Skywalker's hand or at least a hand of some kind but it is definitely not Anakin's hand at all you can tell by the cut and burns on the hand itself that it was afflicted by a lightsaber as you can tell the burnt on the flash itself and Count Dooku cut off Anakin's arm you don't see any harm in that too so it's definitely not Anakin's
Anakin's Force Ghost: Um, guys... Palpatine is still alive and uh...
Everyone: Send in the Ewoks
So that’s why there were no Ewoks in the sequels
Oh yeah there was
Ye this is what happens when different company’s, writers, directors and just everyone get to do media for a big franchise with loose guidelines there’s always gonna be contradictions especially with Star Wars (thanks Disney) but what bugs me are those weirdly obsessed Star Wars fans that get mad when u point out that the Star Wars timeline has a bunch of holes and then they try so hard to make reasons for the plot holes and it’s like bruh DADDY
@BK Beatty ros as in Return of the Sith? That's a prequel.. Or do you mean The Return Of Skywalker?
@@epicphantom589 when you wrote fan fiction about the ewok people being uplifted technologically and educationally into a first rate species, and joining the republic as a minor member, with 3-4 ewok fighters joining Leia and Han's household guard in their skyscraper quarters on courascant. This begins a long history of republic and ewok relations, as ewoks on the moon are drafted to patrol it for stranded imperials, and uplifted educated ewoks turn to droid and computer repair and light guard service with the republic. They make great ceremonial guards who can still be useful if a real fight ever came. I also believe luke finds one force sensitive ewok. Its a descendant of the ewoks from the ewok adventure movies, to make the continuity make sense, and you can say the heroic nature of the ewoks involved were signs of their force sensitivity, leading to the great candidate of that ewok padawan.
Some ewoks even become pilots or merchants, and the slow migration of second generation post ds2 ewoks and their comfortable positions during the construction of the new republic.
This comic really gives context to Vader telling Luke "You don't know the power of the Dark Side. I must obey my Master" with such forceful emotion.
It also destroys Anakin's credibility because he knew that Palpatine was alive in Exegol with a literal future fleet of planet killers and he told no one of this as a Force ghost.
@@stephenjenkins7971 I agree. Plothole city (dibbs on the band name)
@@stephenjenkins7971 he may not have know palpatine could transfer his consciousness
@@IdiotLord123456 not the mention the planet killer star destroyers but still insisting on making death stars
Luke did know about Exegol. Anakin likely told him about Exegol but Anakin himself didn't know that Sidious was capable of soul transference. Anakin might have assumed that the Sith Eternal was merely a secretive faction of the Galactic Empire and underestimated the cult's independence from the Empire.
Vader not handling it proves he still has the light in him.
I agree. The reason why Palpatine is not in pain is because he has complete embrace of the darkside. Vader being in pain means there is still good in him.
I thought this too! Actually quite nice a detail.
@@tylerlamb9930 exactly. That is when Vader realized this goes beyond Darkside. That is why the force gave him the vision telling him he can destroy sidings it was his destiny
Vader having a "rough landing" proves he still has Anakin in him xD
@@saintkarmali7976 He was always Anakin under the suit. The pain Darth Vader carries is Anakin's pain.
People in 2017:Is a Joke,Snoke is not clone of Luke Skywalker.
People in 2021: Whata Mickey...
The Master of The High Ground.
@@jamiebarba5701 Hello There
Jesus
General Kenobi
Disney - "You Fools!"
Luke: losses hand 🤚🏻
Palpitate: it’s free Real estate
That hand is still palpitating
palpitate
Okay palpatine
palpi tate: what color is your star destroyer
Emperor Palpitate
Dooku cut off half of Anakin's arm, not his hand. This is definitely Lukes hand
.....you got it!!
@@thepoeticbutcher3370 yeah palpating wouldn’t cut Anakins arm even further lmao
Could both be true? Maybe Palpatine had acquired Anakin's arm and began his experiments.
But, due to technology limitations or age, Anakin's arm decayed and was no longer useful, so Palpatine had to put his project on hold because there wasn't much left on Vader to consume for his experiments.
Until Luke lost his hand, and fresh Skywalker flesh was available Once more.
@@Draekmus possibly but decaying would probably start from the outside rather than from the part where it was cut.
I was thinking this in the last video
A very powerful insight. That one's power in the Force isn't just your midichlorian count, but also your mentality.
In the end what’s the point of wielding great power without the knowledge to use it
Also in the high ground
@Marty McK so does that finally mean we can stop saying luke is more powerful then vader?
Hasn't been always the case?
@Marty McK Ruthless quote.
I guess palpatine wanted a helping hand lol old dad jokes
That was a good pun lol
He needed a new right hand man
So was Darth Vader’s opening to kill Palpatine when he was weekend by using force lighting on Luke?
Still funny
Errrrr
I love how these comics make Vader a powerhouse as he should be, be awesome to see a Vader movie following some of these timelines.
Get ready for kenobi series. Rumor has it we going to get Vader vs Quinlan Vos and Vader vs maul
He is powerful but a lot of the comics just some really over the top moments which would never feel right in a mainline movie for example adding to the disconnect. But yeah he's great in the comics i just don't really care this story at the moment characters we know going on over the top adventures in between the original trilogy just doesn't felt right.
@@EmperorFist323 vader vs quinlan is believable since he survived order 66 and we dont know where he ended up. Vader vs maul also kinda makes sense cause it would explain why he was kinda scared of him in rebels
@@CaptainAmercia vice versa. Technology is finally allowing us to experience what the story tellers envision in their head just as they do with the comics
@@bronxx4817 Vader vs maul also explains how the crimson dawn, a organization that rivals if not surpasses the hutts, were crippled almost out of existence. Can imagine Vader and 501st storming their base.
Quinlan vs Vader might lead to quinlans capture and conversion to darkside. If he survives he would be an extremely formidable and dangerous villain/anti hero for Luke and ahsoka in Mando era
I don’t think it makes sense for Palps to have Anakin’s hand, he literally preforms so many medical procedures on him that he would have near infinite DNA samples of Anakin.
It’s Luke’s hand
@@emperial4421 Yes it is. In the video he stated that some people were saying it could be Anakin’s so I was just saying why it wouldn’t make sense.
@@darthuchiha9870 the video also calls Kylo Ren Vader's nephew so there's that
Love that out look! I agree totally
@@darthuchiha9870 greatest story ever told
‘Take a lightsaber to the saga’s head and just cauterise that thing because it’s time to put this thing to bed...’
^It’s stylistically designed to be that way... but we can diminish the effects of it
Why didn't Anakin's force ghost just tell Luke about Exogol? Disneys attempts to "fix" TROS are just making everything worse
I think Luke would still need a way finder, though.
@@Sparkle.Glider The only reason that doesn't work, is because of the millions of ships that found it without one at the end of the movie. I think it's kinda like, once you know, or someone knows tells you, then you can whenever. Which is how Ben was able to come back to it.
He would need a wayfinder
@@revan5851 As Kylo and the millions (possibly trillions) of other ships that show up at the end of the movie can show us. You only need someone else to tell you how.
My guess is Vader suspected that palpatine would try and put himself in the clones body in which he did so he didn’t want to send his son to where palpatine was because Vader knew all to well that Luke would be able to beat him at his current state
I think Palpatine was susceptible to the pain, but he fully embraced it and didn’t react even though he actually was also in horrific pain. Look at his demeanor as he was being fried by his own lightning off Windu’s saber, he was actually speaking rather calmly with all his urgency toward only Anakin choosing to save him, not with how much pain he was in. Versus Luke’s reaction to being zapped.
Lol
Yeah its true
Kylo Ren is Darth Vader's grandson
I think he knows this..just a typo err speaks ;/
Darth Vader's grandson is Kylo Ren
@@StoneSalt Big if true.
Ok you guys caught it yea even the legends version Kylo is still his grandson
@@akuuritano2355 the Legends version is a better character no challenge
"It was Vader's destiny to destroy the emperor"
Disney: *I'm about to do what's called a ruining the entire story move*
he still destroyed him
@@alventuradelacruz522 no tf
@@yaboiplank6764 yes
Oh yea, Disney sucks. That crap is not star wars
@@alventuradelacruz522 how?
These "canon" (Disney) comics couldn't possibly get any dumber at this point. :P
....And you can just throw that claim of "a thousand times more powerful than the galaxy has ever seen" straight into the trash. Look what happened to that fleet of Star Destroyers in "Rise of Skywalker".
They don´t care about the story, they jut want to sell stuff
This takes place shortly after Empire Strikes Back, which means that Emperor did a hell of a lot of cloning with Luke's hand is a very short amount of time. Using the hand of the chosen one over a period of decades, one slice at a time, makes more sense. My only complaint about this storyline is the more powerful they make Palpatine, the less believable it is that Rey would be the one to take him out.
@@ThatGuyNicho agreed. Would have much rather seen a George Lucas sequel trilogy.
It's a lot easier to just consider then newest trilogy a fan fic, even if it is lower in quality than most actual fan fics
In that case it's more likely to be Windus hand
@@jamesl4008 To think george gave star wars to disney because he thought he was too old and the sequel trilogy and tv series he planned wouldn't be made because he could die first . He is still freaking alive and we got an insult of a disney trilogy and the star wars brand being milked to the death by disney
@@samtagg8754 Palpatine could have retrieved Anakin's hand from his first battle with Dooku. That would have given him decades of cloning experiments, and it would maybe explain why he was so quick to destroy Kamino...he already had the genetic material that he needed with Anakin's hand to move his cloning operations to Exegol.
dear god, Vader is too strong, he has the high ground now
Palpatine wasnt effected cause he's a psycho/sociopath so he revels in it while Vader still uses emotions to fuel himself with his depression two very separate worlds. But this type of Palpatine reminds me of the ancient Sith and how they saw the force in a much bigger way and used it in a much bigger way.
The poor writer cleaning up someone else's mess again.
Doing his best to put lipstick on the Disney's pig that's for sure.
@@lim-dulspaladin50 Hahahaha That's gotta be hard af xD Great analogy.
And doing a horrible job at that.
If Palpatine had planet destroyers at that number why he built a second Death Star though?
Maybe they weren't ready and he needed a more imposing symbol of fear.
and also if Palpatine was also responsible for teh creation of the first order why would he get them to build star killer base, if he had these death star star destroyers being built at the time of the OT, then surely he would've had a few ready to be sent out for the first order to use instead of a planet size weapon death star, he could've sent a few out and destroyed the new republic way more subtley then having a huge planet-sized death star
you know what disney sequel trilogy isnt canon to me, palps died at the end of the OT and all this crap with exegol doesnt happen, it just makes my brain hurt thinking about it
As writing goes, having Palpatine creating an Armada of planet killers at the same time as the second death Star is lazy and uninspired. Lazy because it is done to just support the return of Palpatine. Uninspired because we got to see two space stations and a planet blown up previously all with the same weaponry.
@@katerbiller04 dont forget about starkiller base ahahahaha why would he make that when he had like 1000 mini mobile death stars almost ready to go
@@BRONZALiVE That was the planet I mentioned . Having the armada being created by Palpatine at all makes no sense. His endgame was to lure in the bulk of the Republic Fleet, destroy them and to claim Luke as his apprentice. For this he had to be there at DS2 and be confident that this plan would work. Having a contingency plan or two to preserve the Empire should he fail would make sense but not creating a ghost fleet of planet killers on a ghost planet that none of the enemies could find . Not when he still lived. Think Revan's holocron that outlined the rule of two.
The whole Jaku and Exogol addition to the lore counters the narrative. In many ways they copied a few of Plaguies' characteristics into Palpatine. Turning him into the next Sith mad scientist seeking immortality. A trait that was established in the novel that Palpatine saw as weakness.
Thanks!
Ochi of Bestoon is such a cool looking character. I really hope that we one day learn more about him. Dude literally caught a lightsaber thrown at him by Darth Vader. So he's got to be a seriously trained warrior. Plus he is super agile and can jump pretty damn high for a character thats not force sensitive.
You must have missed the part where hes called a Sith Assassin
He has the force.
Star Wars: From an awesome looking character to a hand, Disney what have you done to me?
After seeing what vader has been through, his death was like a sweet release from his life in the darkside.
Then 3 years later Palpatine gets one hand fireman carried and thrown over a railing by enemies who have no weapons and are already beaten.
Disney are really trying hard to make Exegol relevant lol. I think deep down Disney knows that they messed up with the terrible Disney trilogy. But are doubling down and referencing everything from Episode 7-9. So desperate.
Desperate or Determined? Desperate was to at the last minute was to bring back Palpatine. Determined is to continue to try and tie in their weaknesses into the previous 6 films.
@@katerbiller04 I mean it makes sense. I wasn't a big fan of the prequel era until The Clone Wars and a crap-ton of other ancillary material *_made it_* into something I enjoyed.
@@Xelpherpolis To help me better understand, what makes sense to you about Palpatine's return?
Dude they have to have a consistent canon. It makes no sense to ignore it how or when was starkillerbase was made or when was the exegol fleet made or where did smoke come from? You need these questions answered. For casual movie watching you don't need to know but when watching in a full saga you need to connect the dots
@@Xelpherpolis at least the prequels made sense and were created with a plan in mind. They weren't sure if Rey was a Palpatine even during ep 9's filming and during that they were swaying over it.
Soooo basically Disney just excused snoke's existence as a clone of Luke Skywalker
XD Jesus christ that's bad
Well it was always a clone, why did this clone have dark side stability and was so powerful, Luke, the only other being other than anakins uh corpse or ig maybe the kylo ren dyad, and ofc palpatine that can muster up this amount of well, Force. All the other Jedi are dead and maybe if he got it from the bison true force beholder that’s in Rebels that would make sense, palpatine could have personally dominated the creature I believe that. But no him being a clone was where they messed up, they’re tryna make the best out the doo doo they have left to work with
Yup it also brings up the same problem that introducing Hashirama Cells into the story in Naruto. It instantly gave them the ability to undo everything that happened. Here you have the ability to to just explain any shenanigans away by oh it's a clone of Luke.
@@starrynight7783 hashirama cells were used everwhere in naruto, luke cells were only used once outside of his body here, plus i think its a logical explanation as to why snoke was as strong as he was, he had the cells of the force user with the most potential of all time, Obviosuly snoke was incomplete which explains why he wasnt stronger. If they use it 8 more times like in naruto sure i can see why its an issue, but a once off thing is fine and even makes sense. I agree its not original and a bit of wasted potential but its not outlandish
Its not that bad, think of the medical technology of the verse, palpatines intelligence in relation to the verse and think of how it pretty cleanly explains snokes power albiet not in the most original way. Its unoriginal but not bad
@@Mmmm-tx6qc Sure it's a logical answer to why Snoke is so powerful, but it absolutely destroys everything. The fact that you can clone at least 6 Snokes (i've never counted how many were in that vat in RoS) from however much genetic information they had from Luke. The Kaminoans were able to clone Jango Fett from a very limited supply of DNA millions and millions of times over for years past his death, but let's grant that midichlorians won't let you clone force users perfectly or maybe it takes more DNA. An untrained Rey was able to defeat Luke in combat. Snoke absolutely shat on Rey in the throne room in that same movie. That means that with the number of Snokes that Old Palps had access to he could've absolutely destroyed the resistance without the use of Kylo Ren. The problem isn't the fact that they used his cells it's the sheer amount of fuckery that the implication of them using his cells causes. Because they could have a squadron of Snokes with the Force abilities of Luke MFin Skywalker. No matter how good Luke is he can't contend with 6 people with 75% of his strength.
T’Challa: I never freeze. Ends up covered in snow later. Vader: I never fall. Ends up falling through the floor.
Lesson: “never say never”
@@CE77777 NEVER!!!
@@randomuser2461 you’ve doomed us all
So Palpatine had fleet that was able to destroy planets but he didnt use it. Wtf.... Disney show us no logic again.
@Cody Brock But even one ship is devastating. You don't need the entire fleet.
@Cody Brock I mean at once. But, even then, one Death Star was enough to scare the Rebels. And Palps is mass producing those Star Destroyers. So, you can just send out a couple (or even one) and still keep building the rest. And because one would be destroyed, that doesn't mean the rest are gone.
Palps has used it for the rebel hideouts - remember dreadnoughts from 7-9
They were unfinished as the comic explicitly says
The fleet was under construction, and would have taken more time. A second death star was going to be faster.
Palpatine. Hungrier than Nihilus, a greater inflicter of Pain than Sion, and a master of Betrayal unmatched even by Traya.
The only thing you left out was adept student and surpassor of Plaguies.
I can make anything with this.
Vader" how bout some new legs then papa palps"?
These comics are going down a path I cannot follow
Wait wait wait. So palpatine had that giant fleet where every ship had a deathstar laser on it that could destroy a planet? So why the hell is he trying to make the death stars when he has this fleet? This new canon makes no sense
... okay, i see your point. But, okay, but consider this... Giant. Ball. Of_death. huh? makes sense now, yeah! =)
Wrong timeline
It's ok it's all a bad fan fiction. It'll get retconned out when Kennedy gets the boot.
It's actually pretty simple, the fleet wasn't ready yet.
Think about it, we're beginning to build next gen aircraft while still finishing last gen aircraft.
@@randallmay6345 yeah, but why would you spend a ridiculous amount of resources on a Death Star when you are already building a fleet of much smaller and more nimble ship that can do the same thing. Wouldn’t it make more sense to put the recourses from the Death Star into the Death Stardestroyer fleet so that the fleet can be completed quicker, or have more ships.
I feel they oversell Palpatine or undersell Vader! If Vader is the winning ticket for the Republic and Sidious! Why would Sidious need him so badly if he was so superior? The writers write themselves into a corner. The better story would be show Vaders increased power over time and Sidious becoming concerned about it. Not constantly reiterating how much more powerful Sidious was we know how dangerous Sidious is he destroyed the Republic and the Jedi and now he's bullying Vader! What's the point? The Vader comics should be about his rivalries towards the Emperor's favour, destroying the remnants of the Jedi and exploring his secret feeling about Luke! (Not leah as he finds out about her 15 mins before he dies!) Instead we get this drivel! It just feels like Disney doesn't like Vader at all!
Agreed
Thats the problem with trying to justify the failures of disneyverse. Even going so far as to make snoke interesting again by making him a failed luke clone. Or the fact you have a giant sentient kyber mother crystal that somehow is the cores of the mega star destroyer planet killers but sith still need to bleed other crystals instead of just riping a part of this red mother crystal. At least in the old EU it showed just how strong vader could be.
@@ZeroOmega-vg8nq Yeah less is often more. Johnson ruined the sequal trilogy. Abrams wasn't great but he started something and Johnson buried it all in the sequal. The deaths didn't show any purpose. The bad guys got beat at every encounter it was just an action sequence with a lack of a decent story! A cloned Luke would have been better than Palpatine because the prophecy says Vader killed him to bring balance. Vader died a hero a perfect ending for him. So if you wanted an established character clone Luke was the way. Although I preferred the idea of someone new who was hiding because Palpatine was a little above his power levels.
Actually you're wrong. Vader, while powerful, was a mangled version of what he 'could have been'. While still one of the most powerful force users in existence, the damage he got inflicted with on Mustafar was so intense and far reaching that he was in effect 'crippled', never to reach his true potential (and therefore never be able to succeed Sidious on his own). The Rule of Two in Sith Mythology clearly dictated that it's purpose was that Both Master and Student where eternally locked in competition to one-up eachother. That way, even if the 'more powerful' master died, atleast the closest thing possible survived to keep on growing when the master essentially fell. This also meant that neither Apprentice or Master ever had to limit themselves in their pursuits of power.
Vader never managed in Star Wars to overcome Palpatine. The Series makes a very harsh and clear point of this. Infact, Vader is defeated by his Son who, again, was too weak to square off against Palpatine himself either. Vader didn't really 'defeat' Sidious, he just committed suicide by grabbing the man and tossing him down the Reactor shaft. That is not a victory, it's mutually assured self-destruction.
Darth Vader was certainly powerful enough to crush any run-off-the-mill Jedi or Sith, but against the Power-Ceiling that is Palpatine he was never capable enough to crush him on his own. Sidious knew this, he knew how crippled his 'greatest Creation' was, which is why he incessantly schemed to find a more worthy Suitor for the position of his Apprentice. Clones of himself, clones of Anakin and his family, Anakins family itself in terms of Luke, later on the distant relatives of Luke and Leia in the form of Kylo.
@@nkznkz3800 You miss so many variables it's unreal. Vader is a power house! But his suit is made to be susceptible to Sidious's Lightning ON PURPOSE! Because the Emperor knows how powerful Vader is! The suit also causes Vader pain to strengthen his connection to the dark side so while his potential is less his connection is actually greater because he is fuelled by dark emotions like hate Vaders hate is unrivalled he hates everything including himself. His dueling skill is also top tier not many can stand against him given he couldn't kill Luke because Anakin wouldn't allow it and Obi Wan causes him to take leave of logic and reason until he finally faces him on the Death Star and somehow manages to stay composed. Vader is the fist of the Empire and Sidious knows he's still an ominous threat to him!
They're trying do hard to make people care about the sequels
No, you have more talented people than Rian johnson doing their best to fix the mess.
Hater?
And I still don't care
@Woody Hayes' Intro Music same thing people said bout the prequel trilogy lol
@ND Needs a Freeman Factor on Offense yeah cuz watching through the political scenes, anakin and padme flirting and the whole jarjar thing was so pleasing. I remember everyone trashing the prequels just as much as the sequels. Well obviously not that obvious because of barely any online sites like youtube to post about it lol.
3:13 Malek is on the far left in the carving
3:23 Revan is in the center carving crossing blades with Maleks own carving
Vader knew about the Star Destroyers on Exegol? And nowhere did he bother to tell Luke about it as a Force ghost? Really?
Why didn’t Qui Gon tell Yoda Palpatine was Darth Sidious? Force ghosts don’t seem to interfere much.
@@closponce Qui-Gon and the Force seemed to be hell-bent on destroying the jedi. At least thats what it seemed from that episode from TCW on Yoda's journey.
Also, Qui-Gon also states that he failed to properly learn how to manifest himself, so just trying to get Yoda to seek out the priestesses took too much effort.
Luke would need a wayfinder. It’s possible Anakin told him that he needed to get one - which is why he was searching for it post-ROTJ. Force ghosts haven’t really outright told people what to do in canon because it’s against the will of the force.
@@callumgraham6272 "Obi-Wan Kenobi: [spirit appears in front of Luke] You will go to the Dagobah system.
Luke Skywalker: [delirious] Dagobah system?
Obi-Wan Kenobi: There you will learn from Yoda, the Jedi Master who instructed me."
Sounds pretty explicit and direct.
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Unless its the Will of the Force that Jedi return, just to die again, and then have Luke become a useless hermit that died before even knowing about Exegol. Even after all his meditation on AchToo, he got nothing. Also, I'm pretty sure the new canon has Luke searching for AchToo and not Exegol.....
@@AlphaAurora “Useless hermit” is a funny choice of words considering we were just talking about Yoda...wouldn’t paint him with the same brush, no?
Anakin can’t just say “go to Exegol” because it didn’t exist as far as anyone knew - which is why it’s so tough to navigate to. Meanwhile, Dagobah was a known system.
New canon Luke was searching for the sith wayfinder with Lando, which would’ve shown him Exegol had he been able to find it. Rey picks up that trail in TROS.
Explains why Palpatine had such an easy way to infiltrate Luke's mind. He had a physical conduit.
So, someone found a hand and a lightsaber in a trash bin, they ended up in wildly different places, this is the story I want to hear
i like to think that they fell BELOW Cloud City/Bespin, just like the trash tube threw Luke under the city.
We never got to see what's below Cloud City, so that would be a grand story to see what's down there, while looking for the hand and the light saber. If kyber crystals are trackable (radiation, whatever), then it might be reasonable to think the hand was still gripping the handle and they could find it. Still, it might be like a 4 or 5 episode series of a team of "Finders," trying to find it, but meeting all kinds of non-war-related protagonists down there.
I love that Luke showed his father basically a vision saying "you will know when the time is right to kill him, its your destiny father".
They need to stop playing and bring back Revan, Nihilus, and Malgus.
For real.
Now imagine the effect the kyber crystal mound would have if multiple light side force users were to purify the kyber crystal and stop it's pain. It may actually heal a force user.
I remember years back when the force awakens was in production, Luke's hand was intended to be a McGuffin for the film. I'm glad this comic reinstated it's cannon status. It brings things full circle.
What's mcGUFin
3:43 Waaaay in the back that reddish tube.... it's that a General Grievous
So does Rey have Skywalker blood? Does this means that she is truly a Skywalker not only by name but by blood? If her dad was a strand-cast of Palpitine and possibly Luke's (hand) DNA that means she might have a portion of Skywalker in her.
You’re onto something
Dude… that is actually an excellent point! I seriously doubt that Disney did that intentionally.
You think skywalkers cum dna is in palpitine while makin rey😂you on sumthin
Remember: Disney made the comics non-canon.
@@impossible-bother2586 When did they do that. I thought Disney made these comics cannon they just pulled a character from the comics in the book of Boba Fett.
Darth Vader: Can you give me a hand?
Assassin: Are you for real???
This further proves what ive been thinking about the obi wan show with those jedi frozen in that amber stuff. People think theyre trophies or prisoners, but I think its early testing of the snoke project, using the midoclorians in jedi's tissue to culture into mindless force sensitive vessels for him to control. As a additional part to this, you could say he was looking for stronger and stronger jedi to use, he would have used anakin had he not lost 70% of his body mass. But his son is far stronger in the force than vader, so his hand is well worth keeping to test on.
Considering that they were in the Inquisitor fort, I don't think so. Snoke was Palpatine's massive secret.
When palps falls into the pit remembering talking about vader fall this fall that: "ironic"
"Palpatine can't be outright defeated in a duel..."
Mace Windu: Watch and learn.
Palpatine threw that fight against Windu to seduce Anakin
@@darthjar9117 That's not what George Lucas said.
@@brandondetroitfanmichaels4325 where’d you see that?
Vader “I’m going to over through you”
Palpateen “ Vader this is the seventh week you said you were going to over throw me”
im hooked on these videos, i dont buy comics so i stay up to date by watching these videos.
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@@patrickgobel3759 These videos are much more entertaining though and perfect if you’re lazy 😊
@@patrickgobel3759 thanks Patrick
15:51
Vitiate: *hold my empires*
Disney: Hey, we have a great idea! Let's make an interesting character like Snoke, and waste him! He is a clone made out of Luke's hand!
Egads.
1. Disney didn't do anything. It was Lucasfilm.
2. Snoke was never very interesting to me. I only ever really saw him as just a blatant rip-off of Palpatine. The sequels have tons of issues, but imo killing off Snoke was a good one as Kylo was a much more interesting and unique main villain and should've been the main villain in TROS.
@@ignisinfernal1843 Disney had the scripts changed. Also, Snoke was not like Palpatine. He was older and he was stronger than him. Also, Palpatine wanted order, Snoke wanted to crush anyone who opposed him.
@@michelletackett9489 Disney doesn't micromanage. They just buy proven successes and take the money. Any changes in the script would've been done by Lucasfilm. Lucasfilm also was incredibly hands-off and just let the directors do their own thing without making a plan beforehand for them to work with. Snoke was never said to be older or more powerful in anything before or after TROS. Palpatine also wanted to crush anyone who opposed him. Both were old, powerful, disfigured, and mysterious dark side users who wore robes and lead a fascist dictatorship that fought against a rebel group and manipulated members of the Skywalker family to turn to the dark side and wear a mask who eventually turned on them and killed them (or seemed to in the case of Palpatine). In TFA and most of TLJ, there was nothing that made Snoke distinct from Palpatine.
@@ignisinfernal1843 False. In one of the novels he was. He was 1,200 year's old and lived on the outside of the known galaxy.
@@michelletackett9489 There's no evidence of this I can find. If you can provide the novel, I'll look into it. Even then, it could always just have been meant as speculation/rumor or Snoke trying to make himself seem more intimidating. Also, the novels and comics that take place post-ROTJ weren't worked on by the people making the films and have been contradicting the films since TFA so it doesn't really say much.
9:01 How could this be Anikan's hand when Dooku actually dismembered half of his right arm.
It's clearly Luke's
This has to be one of the goofiest things I have ever seen in my life.
I know and it doesnt make sense
But at least, unlike the Sequel Trilogy, this is FUN goofy and not accidental stupidity goofy.
What else were you expecting from "Star Wars"?
Heck, every fantasy and sci-fi story is goofy when you get down to it.
@@geoffreyrichards6079 no, come on please, you know what he means. Plus Star Wars isn’t that goofy anyway. Oh wait, except for Jar Jar and a few characters, but the villains are not.
It's not as goofy as legends post ROTJ. I hated how Naruto like it became
Very nice analysis
Appreciate the details you noticed and your thoughts on them
Nice reading comprehension. Nice work. May the Force be with you, always.
Hmm, I wonder if Palpatine was using an ability much lile Darth Sion. The pain always there, aware but almost numb. Keeping him alive and strong. That closeup of this face gave me that impression.
Sidings fully embodied the darkside. Vader simply cannot, he is still after all the chosen one. Even with all of Vader hatred, the pain of Kaberle crystal is simply to much for Vader. It even gave him a vision of the force reminding Vader it is his destiny to destroy sidious
@@EmperorFist323 I scrolled through quite a bit to get to this comment. A couple of notes. One... this entire event is just a testament to not only Vader's tenacity but his sheer power in the force, something even Palpatine realized. Palpatine never really questions Vader's power, only ever his potential. Sidious himself, as you mentioned, fully embodied the darkside. There's not even the slightest glimmer of light. There's no alternate him he constantly fights. Vader, however, was once good as Anakin, a glimmer of light he could never fully put out. To me, it was Anakin feeling the pain, not Vader. A true darksider, like Sidious, would be numb to it's cries. I doubt even Maul and Dooku would even be able to stand it. Dooku, being a darksiders, never embraced it as Vader and Maul. Maul, though very much embroiled in the darkside, just seems like he wouldn't be able to face off the Kyber still standing.
I'm very proud of this comic series showing that for anyone less than Sidious, even by a small margin, Vader would annihilate them. However I do acknowledge that Disney, cleaning up their mess is quite obvious. It fills plotholes only to make new ones... soooo.... -_-
@@theramblingmillennial3770 I concur. Vaders will power, his might. His strength, his intellect, and his raw might in the force is beyond measure. Tbh, to me this comic series has truly shown that Vader truly is the chosen one. He cannot be defeated, and he is the only one who can stand to sidious. Sidious was able to fight off Yoda toe to toe aswell as mace. Yet, although sidious is significantly stronger now compared to ep 3 he dared not face Vader until he was surrounded by the unlimited power of the mountain of corrupted krystal
10:20 this is the Vader I want to see always. Using the force more often than his lightsaber.
Luke did know about Exegol. Anakin likely told him about Exegol but Anakin himself didn't know that Sidious was capable of soul transference. Anakin might have assumed that the Sith Eternal was merely a secretive faction of the Galactic Empire and underestimated the cult's independence from the Empire. It should be noted that many Dark Side factions do exist like the Knights of Ren. The existence of the Sith Eternal is a classic Palpatine move as he had contingencies after contingencies. From the Vader comics, Sidious knew Vader was turning to the light likely sparking the reason for Sidious growing interested in Luke becoming Vader's replacement. However, Sidious underestimated Anakin's love for his son causing his sudden downfall. Sidious' plan was to use the Sith Fleet and his own Dark Side powers to eradicate any resistance against the First Order in Exegol. He would've been successful if Rey was not backed up by Jedi Force Ghosts, including Anakin.
It would be great if the Luke we saw in the last jedi was actually a clone and the real one is still alive somewhere training grogu
Yes but disney would never do something good
@@benhagood9591 they made the Mandelorian to begin with tho
@@stevensteviepryde5888 in the movies they mever did anything good my bad should've been more specific
@@benhagood9591 oh yeah, the movies are garbage
That would be an amazing plot twist.
Wait , so does this mean Snoke was created through the DNA of Lukes hand?? Sooooo snoke is part Skywalker......bro my mind is going crazy right now.
Who are you?
Snoke
Snoke who?
Snoke Skywalker
Which is hilarious because Snoke has more claim to the Skywalker name than Rey does.
@@Slender_Man_186 🤦♀️ ur so right its aggravating 😬
@TOASTIE 🤣🤣 keeping it in the family
@@Slender_Man_186 well said. it irritates me to no end that Rey just CLAIMED the skywalker name....out of thin air. no reason at all. no claim. she didnt even get FULLY trained by a skywalker, so she's not a GRADUATE of the Skywalker School of Hard Knocks.
i didn’t know kyle ren was vader’s nephew... i guess luke is his grandfather now. and han is luke’s son 🤓
About that well im not looking to be wooshed but you are wrong
@@thebigflop3118 general santis it is you that is wrong about a great many things... the dark web is a pathway to many abilities that some consider to be unnatural....
This comment actually made me sit down and rethink the entire family line, lol.
If Kylo is Leia's kid, then he's Vaders grandkid. That would make Luke his uncle.
Glad someone else caught that.
Kylo Ren isn't Vader nephew, he would be his grandson
Except according to Disney it’s not Vader who destroys Palpatine but their Mary Sue named Rey. So it now looks like that not even Disney can keep its own garbage continuity straight.
Vader is a Mary Sue lol. He’s shown way more power than Rey ever did in these comics.
@@callumgraham6272 Except Anakin trained for years to harness his force powers. Rey was using mind tricks after a couple of hours. Then Anakin/Vader trained for decades with powerful teachers guiding him to get as strong as he was. Rey beat Palpatine after a year, her training consisting of reading a book. Vader was literally a child borne of the force and he still need extensive training to use and harness his abilities. Years! Rey was using force powers the same afternoon she found out she was force sensitive and she was a child borne of people.
@@PugOverboard Canon has shown that peopled have harnessed the force without fully understanding. Luke uses the force when blowing up the 1st Death Star without any more than a day of training - hell they even have children using major force powers throughout the TV shows. Believe it or not, Luke beat Vader after a year. He literally has the same amount of training as Rey, only difference being he was trained by Yoda, whilst she was trained by both Skywalker twins. If Rey is a Mary Sue, then so is Luke and I guarantee you wouldn’t admit that lol.
@@callumgraham6272 Luke opened himself up to the force and heeded what it told him at the Death Star trench. THAT is something untrained force sensitives can do as established by canon. That’s also why his father Anakin was such a great pod racer. What has NEVER been established in canon is someone harnessing and using force abilities like the mind trick and telekinesis without any training at all. Again, even Anakin, conceived by the force itself had to train to do things like that. As for Luke, he trained with Yoda for days, possibly weeks before he left him at the end of empire strikes back. Rey had 3 thirty minute sessions, one of which consisted of nothing more then (not my) Luke complain about the Jedi the whole time. Even after that training with Yoda and year between ESB and ROTJ Luke was still nowhere near strong enough to beat Palpatine yet. The emperor would have killed Luke effortlessly if Vader hadn’t saved him in the end. Whereas Rey beat Palpatine almost without any effort. Finally, the only reason Luke beat Vader was because he momentarily skirted the dark side. If he hadn’t done that and if Vader hadn’t been going easy on Luke the whole battle then Luke would never have won that fight. So no, Luke is not a Mary Sue.
Vader: Join me Luke
Luke from Kyber Crystal vision: *UNO REVERSE CARD*
@Val Mid, ahh I see you are also a Man of Culture.....🤣🤣🤣
If snoke is Luke-like, a clone of sorts, but varied, maybe it explains why and how Luke is haunted by the dark side. Even where he nearly kills his nephew, Ben. The sith and co, poisoning the force, darkening the force even after the empire fell. And not just because palps still existed, but Luke's essence is being warped in a place of darkness.
At this point I am convinced that Darth Vader just cannot win against any type of ground
It’s hilarious that after what Vader tried to do there to kill Palpatine, in Return of The Jedi he just threw him off from a platform in a few seconds and killed him instantly
It is a shame that they didn’t use Luke’s hand as a plot point in Episode 9. If they did, it would have redeemed the movie some what.
Yeah and it would made sense since the lightsaber was found.
I would'nt have minded Palpatine returning in the sequels if it were better described than "Somehow Palpatine returned."
So, why didn't Vader use this opportunity to dark force heal himself? The pain could've been used to fuel Vader's power and therefore he could fix his lungs and the such without breaking his focus.
Force healing is a light side ability
The dark side version of force healing isn't "real" force healing, it doesn't repair damaged organs, it just makes them temporarily function again.
@@abyssmage6979 plus Vader is so damaged you would need a pretty powerful jedi to heal all of him
In Legends, I think Shadow of the Empire, he could heal himself and when he did, he started to feel relief from the constant pain, and it caused him to lose his connection to the dark side.
@@ac1119 its just rare I think
"Luke's hand confirmed in cannon by this comic" my guy, what you talking about, it was in the entire New Hope and part of The Empire Strikes Back.
Who knew Luke had a hand in this............ don't hate me lol
Lol nice
Now now. No need to point fingers.
well, give the man a hand! good one!
in the mandalorian dr pershing is the creator of snoke, he explains that snoke is created from multiple peoples genetic code
“You don’t know the power of the dark side”
The Kyber served Sidious that is why it did not harm him. He had spent time there bonding and bleeding the crystal just an advantage he had its not that he was immune he was wielding it himself. What would have been funnier is if Vader snatched that power from him in Mortis level fashion and turned it back on palps and annihilated him.
The fact that Luke's hand was there makes me think that the strand-casts Palpatine was making were made not only with his genetic makeup, but Luke's. Being a Sith Palpatine was always seeking more power. He realized when he first met Anakin, how powerful he was, and as he watched him grow throughout the years how powerful he could become. Palpatine knew that Anakin would be a powerful ally and apprentice if he turned to the darkside. He also knew how much of a threat he could have been if he stayed a Jedi. This was also true for those born from the Skywalker bloodline, which is why he wanted Vader to turn Luke to the darkside, and eventually replace Vader as his apprentice. But that wouldn't stop Palpatine from seeking out ways to make himself more powerful. Using his vast power over the galaxy and his connections he probably had Luke's severed hand recovered and brought to Exegol to use his Skywalker DNA in his cloning experiments so as to add the power of the Skywalker bloodline to his own great level of power, and those of his strand-casts.
Thank you ! I do like that you took the time to explain it all, much appreciated! So many things to unpack
If that's the case during order 66 ALL jedi bodies should've been taken and used for cloning. Utilizing the tissue of some of the most powerful masters to make perfect clones.
2:44 "nephew Kylo Ren?"😂
A Geonosian probably found Anakin's hand/arm and barbecued it
Obviously, it's Mace Windu's hand, It says "bad mutha fucka" on it.
The role of master and apprentice in the order of the Sith is truly the antithesis of the relationship between Master and Padawan in the order of the Jedi. Self-destructive, abusive, contentious, and cruel. And that dynamic the pupil will never ascend beyond the rule of apprentice when the master loves being in control. Not without his death at the pupil's hands.
I agree
Pappa Palps.. extremely powerful, invincible...
:::Ends up being thrown down a shaft on the Death Star II:::
I would honestly love to see them make a darth vader show with the comics being what they base it off of
Bruh idk this reminds me of some of the stupidest legends comics. Like palpating is getting power from a giant Kaiber crystal that is being tortured by dudes with saws to make it bleed? I always took sith “bleeding” their crystals not as literally physically hurting a crystal like it has a central nervous system but a more force/mental type scenario
Anakin: Ezra, Ahsoka, can you made a promess to not tell nobody about Exegol?
Ezra and Ahsoka: Promess
This helps make sense of the original cut opening scene for The Force Awakens. I recall there being a cut scene with Luke’s hand floating through space. Which didn’t make much sense until now. However, this doesn’t mean I like this solution for making Snoke.
I don't quite recall seeing that cut scene. Was it during the Rey flashback montage?
@@katerbiller04 it was cut from the film entirely, I think it was a rumored first draft of the script. So there's no known footage of it.
@@katerbiller04 Was discussed about being an alternate opening to the Force Awakens.
Though the hand would be disintegrated in that scene, as it was still attached to the lightsaber, while the lightsaber asteroided its way into Jakku, or Takodana. A second intro was more akin to a new hope, where Tantive IV-like ships towed a star destroyer with a similar position and made it crash into Jakku, which basically gave origin to the one we see in the film
That’s why smoke had so much power it makes sense
My biggest issue with this issue is that Palps is building the Death Star Destroyers right now, while he’s building the Death Star 2. Why? Why build the second Death Star, it’s being made obsolete while it’s being built!
Perhaps the kyber needs tortured for a really long time to go ‘nuclear’ so to speak.
I agree, this is all so Nonsensical!
Perhaps he wanted the rebels to have a false sense of victory by destroying the Emperor and the second death there would be no more Empire all the while sidious would just hop in a new clone body and xontinue his fleet its a brilliant idea weather the rebels won at endor or lost Darth sidious wins
The Death Star 2 was built because Palps had to lead fear in the galaxy to continue his rule & destroy the rebel alliance but then Vader ruined it all lol
And all of that was somehow destroyed by a small resistance and a former scrap looter.
Now we see in these comics, why Vader said it was too late for him in ROTJ
Not really, only in addition, not because it was planned that way.
@@ragonarokuproudman1514 definitely, no doubt
Whats crazy is how powerful Vader has become. He did all this with a huge handicap. His suit, he is fatigued, and he had been beaten down
I was expecting something cooler than a giant kyber crystal tbh.
So was I. It felt like a "Is that it?"
Same. But Grand Daddy Palps coming out of the red light was cool though.
Here’s why that’s important
Giant Kyber Crystals are used to power planet destroying super weapons like the Death Star and Starkiller Base
For the Excelgol Star Destroyer Fleet used in Rise of Skywalker, they’re still being built
But Palpatine revealed these Crystals are different
Sith Sabers are red because Sith make their Crystals suffer until they bleed red
The Excelgol Star Destroyers’ beams are red because their Kyber Crystals are made to suffer too
Palpatine broke Vader to submission, making him feel the giant Kyber Crystals’ pain, showing him that as long as Vader walks with Sidious, he’ll always suffer. But it’s the only way he’ll share his power.
That revelation broke Vader, and turned him back to Sidious’ side for now at least
All this explains how Rise of Skywalker happened. Not only the presumed origin of Snoke, Palpatine’s survival in Clone bodies, but the Excelgol fleet and how dangerous they are compared to the Death Star
All this was Palpatine’s plan for the future
If he lived, then he’ll fortify his rule of the Empire with these weapons
If he died, then he’s ready for the future
@@christophersanchez7731 That was a perfect synapsis
@@christophersanchez7731still a shyt retcon job! Lol
I’m not gonna lie when you said “nephew” Kylo Ren it threw me through a loop.
Amazing !! Thank you !!
Snoke... Too funny. Disney is still trying to make their fan fiction matter. Too funny
Definitely agree, these comics are clearly made to try and save the sequel trilogy but it seems so far fetched and ridiculous 😂
Screw all this screw sequels I'm dobe with it
@@joshuaaguilera6864 They would be better off starting over
Remember when Disney trashed the EU because "It's too silly and disjointed"? And now we have... Luke's hand being retrieved from a gas giant, intact, and used to make clones. Some things just don't age well.
At 0.29 you see Vader looking like the Mercyful Fate "Melissa" album cover!! At least that's what I see. I think someone is a metal fan..
Well it would have made sense either because Count Dooku cut off Anakin's arm not his hand so it is definitely Luke Skywalker's hand or at least a hand of some kind but it is definitely not Anakin's hand at all you can tell by the cut and burns on the hand itself that it was afflicted by a lightsaber as you can tell the burnt on the flash itself and Count Dooku cut off Anakin's arm you don't see any harm in that too so it's definitely not Anakin's
1:00-1:10 What's this theme called?