BULL BAR, LIGHTS, WINCH & WEIGHT | How much weight have we added so far? | 4xOverland
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- How much weight have have we added so far? Place your bets, folks! I complete the Off-Road Animal bull-bar instal, light upgrade, fit the winch and controller and then weigh the Troopy.
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Winch controller questions: IMO. How do you work a remote switch with gloves on? You have to take your eyes off the operation to make sure you're pressing the right button. With a switch, its tactile - all done through the feel of the fingers. What if someone picks it up and runs the winch at the wrong time? If it falls in the mud? Remote switchers inside the relay boxes are prone to water damage. Remotes are horrible things and not suitable for safe winching. Okay for the very experienced. Dangerous for the newbie.
How do you press the button?…by pressing it. It’s still tactile. One button for in, one for out. Just seems like you just want to use the wired controller out of choice…and that’s fine, but the other reasons are grasping at straws IMO. I dare say that even with the wired controller, right before you winch on or out you’re going to glance at the controller…same as a remote.
C'mon Andrew. Your reason for not wanting a wireless remote winch is flawed. You can just as easily arrange who manages the winch wireless remote as that of the wired control. If you don't have that sorted, then it's a user problem. But like you, I do like the winch control box hidden, and extending the control wire plug where it can be easily access is a must.
Hi Andrew - I see other Aussie channels (4WD 24-7), All 4 Adventure and even Ronny Dahl) all lauding remote controls from a safety point of view. During difficult winching operations you can put some distance between the winch cable/ rope and yourself so that if it or its anchor point let go you are out of the 'kill zone' as they say. For me it is far more important to be paying attention to what you are doing than whether you are using a remote or cable controller.
Having said all that I have only used my winch once in 30 years - halfway up a hill stuck in a washout between Ruacana and Epupa falls, I try not get stuck. Which is why I like your troopie build I have always travelled as light as possible - which helps in not getting stuck.
Wouldn't the cable winch control put the person in charge of winching in the death zone, remote control they can be in a safe position. But I note your point as well.
(hence why the person controlling the vehicle on which the winch is mounted should ideally control the winch from the drivers seat. - If a "remote" party wants/needs to be director of recovery operations, their deal tool of use should be a 2-way radio, issuing edicts for the participants in the saga (radio coms to spotters, etc is very useful ).. ( NB. if the Wireless (pocketable) remote doesn't have 2-button safe operation it can be a hazard for inadvertent ""pocket presses" - thereby best kept in a safe place when not immediately needed) )
Whenever people are setting; anchors, pulleys, redirects or lines, the winch "should" - not saying this is in any way standard practice - be declutched or otherwise deactivated... (accessible lockable disconnect isn't far from what would be "industry standard" - if it were industry. lol.. )
@@kadmow Yeah pretty much common sense.
How do you work the out? What's the difference of sitting in the drivers seat and starting to the side. I love my remote winch controller as my primary. Very difficult to activate it by mistake
@@ianmoore4327 . Easiet to steer from the drivers seat. Ha ha ha...
I suspect most people over-estimate because they don't take into account the weight that is removed when you replace parts. The bulbar might weigh 60kgs - but you probably remove 15kgs of bumpers and supports so you net out at 45kg. Similar with most of your other mods - you gain weight but not exactly kg for kg - have to account for what is removed in fitment.
Exactly what I did.
Whereas if you’re doing the work yourself you see what is being removed and factor that in (add underestimate the difference).
Those grey steelies and Road Grippers look great with blue! KEEP'EM!!
At 9:42 when you showed the plug, its just a 4 pin XLR type. Commonly used for power supplies in AV. Easy to purchase a premade extension wire, or make one yourself with some Neutrik plugs. Did find it a bit weird though, as those things just rust in normal studio applications, let alone getting wet in the wild.
Matt's off-road recovery has had multiple videos where his and his son's winch remotes have interfered with each other and only one winch worked at a time. This all happened while doing a recovery of vehicles in precarious situations, where having two winches running was required simultaneously, so I definitely recommend having a cabled connection.
What's to stop another's remote from still interfering? I'd remove the receiver and throw that thing away. There you go Andrew, we've just saved you another 100g.
@@MegaWilderness valid point.
These recoveries would have been even more difficult if the winches were operated from a few metre long cable, somewhere far from the recovery site.
I recently installed a 14,500lb winch on the Silverado and needed to relocate the solenoid box, similar to the way you did. I also extended the low amperage wiring (like you did in your video)....BUT...I did one important variation....
One of the wires is a constantly "live" wire and in an effort to make the winch unable to be used by some nasty mongrel, I utilised a in-cab switch.
This means that the winch cannot be used via the plug-in port without activating the in-cab switch. However, the 2 cordless remotes will still work. I understand what you're saying about the wireless remotes being potentially dangerous, BUT they do enable the operator to stand away from the "line-of-fire" in the event of a mishap. With the cord-operated remote, you always need to be within close proximity to the front of the vehicle with all the risks that that entails.
I weighed my Troopy before and after a trip which included 60km of really sticky mud.
It was 50kg heavier just from the mud.
That is a lot of mud
THANKS John, APPRECIATED.
Andrew. Another lekker video. I would ensure that extension plug /grommet is in fact water proof, not just dust proof. Once you wade across a river, and it fills up, your going to regret not making it fully waterproof.
Good on ya' for trying different stuff.
It would be very easy to, as some other "influencers" do, just throw the same old shopping-list of parts at every new vehicle that comes your way.
It's good to give alternative manufacturers some publicity AND it also deters established manufacturers from relying on their reputation instead of constantly developing better products.
I think we over estimated because of the exact reason you said: we always underestimate the accumulated weight of our upgrades so let's account for that when try to guess tthe right number rather than "she'll be right" when actually doing it ourselves.
It would be cool if the number plate holder was a bit higher, then it would act as a sunblock keeping the rope in good condition. UV light ages them and will likely make that red rope pink quite quickly.
100% Think you should be able to move it
Hi Andrew, great vid, BUT......the weight gain estimates provided by my good self and others were based on the question posed in your video "Induction cooking controversy". And hence, have nothing at all to do with your bull bar and any item you mentioned in this video. Please, when you can, take a weight measurement of the batteries etc when you add the induction / gas cooking set-up. Thanks 😃
Yep sick looking bar n lights. And a great little production as well . Filming lighting music 👍🏿
I love the fold up number plate giving access to the winch.
Just wondering when it will fall off.
Runva's remote controller is a very good option incorporated into their product,for example solo recovery with a sand anchor requires a person to be at the anchor to help it dig in.
Andrew your thinking about remote controllers all wrong. They’re there so you can run the rope out by yourself, be 20m down the track and get take up or give out some slack in the line
It's not wrong. It's another way of looking at it. How do you work a remote switch with gloves on? You have to take your eyes off the operation to make sure you're pressing the right button. With a switch, its tactile - all done through the feel of the fingers. Remotes are horrible things and not suitable for safe winching. Okay for the very experienced. Dangerous for the newbie.
Nice build so far... Should be titled: "let's install free stuff!" ;-)
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😂 Still free and I guess we all agree that Andrew has got some degrees of freedom in his builds that most will never have. Not that he didn't deserve it, just a fact.
@@mazevx2451 Look I am not complaining. Andrew has earned it what he gets for free after is 30+ years in the industry he is a big name.
There’s more currency than just money…
@@shanenorwell8580 True. Every 2/3 years Andrew sells his cars. I guess the freebies add to the profit.
I realized something when you mentioned the autographed vehicle; this build is another variation of a vehicle for you to have available to sell. While we the viewers may not agree with the equipment, there may be a viewer out there that does, and they wouldn’t know how well that you can accommodate their wants without seeing how well the vehicle works as configured and why the components were chosen. Good job, Mr. White; you’re quite the businessman.
People overestimate their own driving capabilities and underestimate others’ abilities. In this case it sounds like people overestimate their ability to load the vehicle smartly and underestimate other people’s ability to do the same. But the catch is that this results in underestimating the weight (if you do it) and overestimating the weight (if you’re looking at what other people put in.)
In plain English?
@@project-overland People think they themselves are smart and others are dumb. Hence the two different perspectives.
Weight is a living and breathing thing in my mind .. I'm regularly astounded by some outfits in the 4wd universe .. with an obvious lack of thinking.
Weight is like "Speed" anyone can achieve it ... controlling it is a whole different thing !
The frequency of the videos in this series is mint keep them coming, cant get enough of it
Loving the “built to your usage requirements” nature of this build. So many 4WDs I see are heavy duty everything, for most they’ll never need the strength and just limit their towing capacity and payload…
What’s the difference between using the remote inside the car as the driver in a recovery situation and using the wired controller? Aside from relying on the remote connection, which in my experience has never been an issue.
Agreed. One person in charge of the recovery, concentrating on the recovery, but using a wireless remote. For me, that is usually me, sitting in the drivers seat, in constant communication via radio with my spotters outside.
In the driver seat you cant see as well as if you’re standing outside controlling it, outside you have greater control over the veh as you can see what the winch is doing and make decisions more accurately. This is at least in my experience with larger/military vehicles with poor visibility from inside
@@TK42715 there is no way on earth I would give the controller to someone else if I am in the driver's seat
@@darrengray2309 fair but in the military world the driver is not the one in command of the veh, he just does what he’s told by the commander who usually has a better view of things either because he’s dismounted or because he’s got unimpaired vision from his position in the veh
Woohoo!! Stocked I guessed right at 110kg!! Bloody good work though, loving this series!!
Thanks Andrew!!
I weighed everything as it came off and went on in my LC76 build. The ARB Bull bar was 48KGs incl bash plate. So its lighter than the OA bar. The Toyota bumper that was removed was 27KG
Same here with my Troopy - I removed 26kgs of parts and added 63kgs of TJM bar so was 37kgs heavier - your ARB bar has an extra row of barsand an extra bash plate. I fitted an ARB Deluxe bar to a 200series once and it added 75kgs to the vehicle weight so maybe that's where Andrew got his info from.
@@philg2468 Yes true. My weights were 43KG for the bar, 5KG bash plate and 3KG for the recovery point. Mine is the standard ARB deluxe bar with the fog lights etc.
I don’t see why you shouldn’t use the wireless controller. You’re not just handing it out to a random. Same as with a wired control. Just a lot better. Cheers for the awesome videos.
Once you hand the wireless controller to someone else you no longer control who has the wireless controller as the person you gave it to can give it to someone else.
I've seen interference with wireless controllers when doing dual pulls with two winches on different vehicles.
@@thelandcruiserproject I saw that happen on Matt's Off Road Recovery TH-cam channel.
I would keep both around, think there will be situations for using either.
love the square driving lights Andrew, nice choice young man..
You can still have control with the remote in YOUR own hand. Just saying!
That winch speech almost reminded me of someone scared of leaving the city cause they’re scared of bears… holy fuck, it’s gonna be ok dude.
Hahaha. “Talking to your MATES gggrrrrr!”. Lol. Stand by now for the video responding to all the negative comments about winch control.
That's a good looking bar Andrew! Nice to see a 70 series with something other than an ARB bar 😎
Nice looking bullbar. I also weight everything on my 2019 Troopy. Just for comparison, the TJM bullbar I fitted weighed 63kgs and the original parts I removed weighed 26kgs so on balance 37kgs was added.
Hi Andrew, maybe powder coating the bar blue to match the truck would make it look more integrated, if that's the new look that you're after.
I was thinking the same, not sure how long it would last, but it sure would look great.
Great video. Clear audio, sharp picture and a great truck 🙌
And that bumper is a work of art
Hi Andrew, you are an excellent cable worker, with those steady hands you should have been a surgeon....haha
Well done! Love your bar choice and lights - looks good! But a winch make me wince.
thank you for share your the detailed video
Taking shape
Very interesting little rant on your winch operating thoughts mate.
I lol’d at this. It was quite odd. Angry ant.
My misses just asked me: “Is this guy the David Attenborough of 4x4ing?”. Haha.
Love your videos and listening to your knowledge
Andrew knows and understands well of what he speaks whereas Attenborough is just a scaremongering propagandist
Jacks if that’s you’re opinion of DA then I would assume you also hold the opinion that the earth is flat
Attenborough like me has seen the natural world vanish before his eyes. Only the grossly misinformed, most who spend too much time on Facebook (the world's nr.1 enemy) would accuse him of that.
@@4xoverland
“The natural world vanish before your eyes”??? not seen any evidence of that in your videos Andrew.
For well informed facts and evidence about the worlds ecological systems, the Internationally renowned PhD Ecologist, environmental researcher and Greenpeace founding member Dr Patrick Moore is much preferred to Attenborough, and certainly not Facebook.
Awe man, I was pretty close at my estimate of 180lbs. Good on the winner🏆
Andrew your TROOPCARRIER is amazing. The color, the lights, the bullbar, the winch...fantastic.
Thank you for sharing.
Nicely done, Andrew!
Loved the video as usual... thank you!
I really enjoy your attention to detail
When it’s a new vehicle I believe it should be done right first time and the details are everything
I get excited as well doing a fit out of a new car every time
Cheers
I love that bull bar Andrew. Well chosen. The overestimation of the weight, I believe (as he floats his hypothesis) is conditioned response. Is it possible that your followers have been conditioned by the plethora of equipment added to each build and then witnessed the bloated "orange blob" bog down in the sand as part of their confirmation bias? A small matter of neuroplasticity, you see. Call me crazy, but I just love those rims on the vehicle - I know I have more chance of falling pregnant than you keeping them as the build progresses, but man, I do love 'em.
I extended the which plug into my grille. With the light also on the grille. Then when you activate the winch power in the cab, the green light turns on on the grille to let the operator know the winch is live
that's a impressive good looking BULLBAR with the honey cone pattern! Hope to see this bullbar for sale in Cape Town soon 😊
the Land Cruiser looks aggressive with the PVS headlights with the blue rap
I was originally going to flat out disagree with your wired vs wireless stance. But then realised that you are still going to carry the wireless one so the option is open to you in the future, so really it is a harmless preference that you are choosing.
I will share that last time I had to run a winch line it was up an extremely steep incline where it had started snowing mid way through my travels. I had to basically run my winch cable constantly out in front under free spool but it was so steep that I couldn't actually pull myself and the line under free spool, so I had to use the winch to spit the line out for me. This was made a lot easier with the wireless controller in my hand as I pulled it out 25m. I could have just spat the line out in front of the car first with a wired controller then dragged it up after the fact but my winch line was in different places / distances each time so being able to just let out what I needed just made the 5/6 pulls I had to do that little bit easier.
Fully agree re the use of remote for winching. What if there was radio intereference from someone elses device, which may trigger the winch? I would find a way to introduce a remote cut off switch to disable the remote function so that accidents do not happen due to radio interference.
I'm the same, remotes are fun, but they don't tend to last long in the bush.
I have done the hidden control box and mounted the controller socket in a similar spot, one thing I’ve noticed is the socket has deteriorated and corroded quite badly over the last year.
Nothing too crazy but just letting you know it’s worth checking and cleaning out once in a while due to the increased exposure to the elements
Beautiful bar. For the realistically slim chance you will have a serious strike, the weight saving is a definite risk worth accepting.
Your channel is very purist on the old school overlander which is great but how about the canopy builds that seem to be very popular in the AU. If I've missed a previous video where you covered the subject, please direct me to the episode.
I extended the Winch power cables and mounted the control box inside the engine bay as high as possible on the inner wing, reduces muck and the cable plug is still accessible
Love everything you do as always.
I understand the remote winch fear.
But look outside the box, you are winching a stump out of the ground, doing a recovery solo etc.
It has its uses and can be quite handy.
I agree not to pass it around like a toy.
Andrew, you’re a genius…
Love your videos! Thanks!
Another great vid ..............I enjoy the workshop stuff just as much as the overlanding trips.
I just love your attention to the details Andrew, I'm loving these videos.
fantastical
Those lights and bumper look awesome together.
I love this new style
Self amalgamating tape wraps are elegant and waterproof and make great fillers if cable is much smaller than the grommet.
I think the majority of the weight comes from when people load up the vehicle for a trip
I agree.
Nice stylish bar, integrated light bar would be nice but big round spot lights will alter the whole design which suits your Troopy and gives it a touch of class.
So, does between 100-120kg count as 110!! Lol!
Thanks for yet another lovely (relevant) video! I struggle to cope between your videos!
And that new b/bar looks great, even to a traditionalist like me. Cant wait for the next installment.
I have a Runva winch and the wiring in side the control box was not secured, so on a trip to Cape York in 2018 with all the corrugated roads the insolation was completely shredded. Which did not become apparent until I tried to use it. Runva did replace the control box under warrant.
I enjoy these videos greatly I know in a previous video you were wanting a ( pickup/Ute) did you ever consider a cab through conversion? That’s what it’s called in the United States anyway you essentially turn a pickup/ Ute into an suv/wagon if you were wanting a box/camper you can gain access even in a regular cab it would need a little extra frame support because the bed and cab often move independently then remove the rear window do some cutting leave a small edge for bolts and seals and or welding and there you have it thanks again for the incredible videos
Solder will crack under vibration…you want a double crimp connector… keep up the good work..love my Japanese imported 70 series here in the states…
ill admit i expected much higher..though i was expecting a full ARB with skid plates etc and much bigger winch.... as a canadian i know we see those coming to 150++ kg on their own.
Andrew it looks as if you have a well organised and well equipped workshop, how about a tour and some advice on what's worth having in it.
That bull bar looks fantastic!
However, a bull bar’s first task is to protect the radiator. That said, isn’t the the grill opening too large?
most bulls wouldn't fit through it :P
Most Aussie animals bounce off the bull bar.
It wont protect much.... The whole front end will be gone. there pointless and for looks only.
Have noticed that a manual winch with a pull pal anchor are quite effective recovery kits, hope Andrew sheds some light on manual (hand) winching one day.
Man, that bar looks sick.
Thank you for all you programs and good advice
I tow a Australian 5 th wheel and am always careful on weight eg no roo bar etc went to buy better quality light truck tyres they are61 kg each compared to existing 35/40 kg tyres multiplied x 5 big surprise
Suggestion, I always put my number plate higher. Over the wind screen and adjust it to the bottom of rooftrack. By doing it I avoid loosing my number plate in the mud.
James Bond number plate !! Love it
I don't understand. Please explain.
I extended my winch control to top of grill and put a gigglepin hd relay behind headlight on the inner wing. The winch was already installed on the vehicle when I purchased it. It had a remote controller which I only discovered when I went to test the winch. It had been left in the centre cubby box. I switched the master switch and the winch spooled in straight away. It dragged the hook through the fairlead before I could turn the master switch off.
I discovered the remote under some paperwork had pushed up against the side of the box and had switched itself on. Needless to say while rebuilding the broken winch I removed the remote wiriring and threw the controller away.
Loving this build. Favorite so far.
Bull bar looks great! Along a similar vein, with remote winch controllers, I've seen a few guys forget batteries, not have the cabled backup, and then be stuck with a winch with no remote. Makes a great paperweight though! 🤣. Convenient however when working.
The TH-cam channel Matt's Off Road Recovery found that their remote winch controllers interfered with each other. They had a recovery that required two winches, but they could only pull in one winch line at a time because the wireless controllers interfered with each other. They were even different brands of winch.
@@The_Opinion_of_Matt oh interesting! Do you remember which vid by chance? Love his channel but I don't remember seeing that.
@@phill1491 Unfortunately, I don't remember which video it was. It was a nore recent video and it had the Morrvair and Rudy's Jeep.
Nice bullbar,FYI checkout overland bound, transformer kitchen, just a thought
Thank you, I just had a look at "overland bound" some good stuff.
The person controlling the winch ????? are you not traveling alone 80% of the time
I liked your soldering 👍🏻
That blue color is lovely but (Speaking from experience . I had a patrol this color) it is so hot on hot sunny days. Like driving in a big solar oven. It puts a lot of extra strain on the AC system and I would think engine cooling.
I see the argument for NO radio controlled winch switch as very valid. More than one winch involved in a recovery!? My choice would also be a cable connected controller!
The on/off switch in the car on the dash for the winch controller is a good idea to stop people "playing" with the winch AND an emergency off-switch for the driver independent of who has the controller!
What I do not follow is the importance of the, I would say, over-kill of lights! Noone in his/her right mind will drive in the dark off a proper road except in an exceptional emergency! For those rare cases are all those lights? I have two additional lights on my cars for emergencies, last time used? Can't remember - I avoid emergencies!
For just looks those lights are too expensive, aren't they?
You could simply enjoy the remote winch controller and put the corded one in the glove box Andrew. Yes.
A remote controller cannot be used easily with gloves, without looking at it. Switch controllers are tactile - its all done with feel through the fingers. A remote with no definite on-off actions are horrible and I do not wish to use them.
Operation 2.21 Jiggawatts is back!
My experience with a wireless winch is that they aren't responsive. there is a delay between activation of the button, on startup and releasing the button.
Keep up the good work. As for the prev video where the haters accused you of losing yr way - well its your vehicle. If you want to cut the roof of a morris minor and turn it into a wok then thats your choice - who cares what the naysayers think. Or better still, they can publish their own vids and be introduced to a legion of other randoms who feel the need to criticise.
As for winch control, I had an in-cab toggle, factory cabled, a wireless conversion and a spare cable connection at the rear. a bit OCD according to my mates, but I was happy
Like the idea of making a wok from the roof of a minor 😜
Bull bar looks bloody awesome. Why didn’t you go for in cab controls for the Winch? That way you can slap that ugly box in the engine bay. Did that with my hilux, definitely the way to go.
Because from the cab, you can't see the winch. IMO, another bad idea.
4xoverland I’m not following
@@RyanYoxo Controlling a winch from a location where one cannot see the winch or the recovery operation is like flying while blindfolded. BTW. I hid the box in the bar.
4xoverland the winch is in front of the car? Can’t you see it? I’m generally confused. Plus you want to be in the car to give a little drive when needed or steer when needed. Just my opinion from living at the foot of the vic high country..
Yes. And the cab is inside the car, from where the winch cannot be seen. And nor can the wheels be seen, or the way the rope is spooling etc. Ive always winched from in, out and around the vehicle, and if it's a tough pull, the bonnet raised to protect the windscreen and driver in the event of equipment failure. To my thinking, the very last place to put a winch controller is inside the cab.
Automobile makers are saving weight with High Tensile Strength steel. I wonder what it costs as an alternative.
Surprising about front:rear weight additions.
They really designed the bar to give it a look. It reminds me of a GMC.
The railways use beltpacks (radios on a belt) to control switching locomotives. The person with the belt is the locomotive engineer. Communications with yard workers would remain the same.
Looks great!
Hey Andrew, Why didn’t you go in cab switching for yr winch controller? Much cleaner and easier to operate, don’t knock it until you’ve tried it.
I agree, Andrew is talking about other people using the winch and is dangerous given distractions etc. On your trips Andrew, who else would be using your winch but you?
I don't know. Im old fashioned that way. Nothing wrong with a winch controller switch in the hand.
I would run an additional cable to the cab so you can control the winch from a momentary switch, another back up option
Ohhhh that panel gap between the top of the bullbar and the panel below the lights though...
Maybe because there were lots of items people thought lots of weight without looking at each item or the more significant items when it comes to weight. It will be interesting to see the added weight for driving conditions vs the added weight for living/camping conditions.
Andrew, did you consider mounting the winch at the back of the Troopie, pulling the vehicle back out of trouble rather than further into it ?
All winching operations you perform are operated by a remote switch, you are merely saying you prefer a tethered remote vs a wireless one. To assume the operator is more or less involved based on wired or wireless remote isn’t a valid assumption.