I have a problem with Cinderella beating up those two guys just for not taking off their hats. Honestly, I hate how many writers confuse "strong female character" with "antagonistic bitch."
Something that would have made this movie better is that if Cinderella started out as a complete pushover at the beginning, who was afraid to go up against her stepmother or anyone who bullied her. She also should start out as shy, too shy to even go talk to the duchess' son when she sees him getting off the train, and she just watches from the distance. It would make more sense because it would explain why she's willing to be a slave to her stepmother and why the duchess' son wouldn't recognize her during the bar scene. Then, have her stop being such a pushover during the bar fight, when she realized that she needed to protect him from the pirates. After that, she gains confidence about herself and stands up to her stepmother, breaking the duchess' son out of wherever the stepmother kept him locked up in and heading out to help save the duchess. It would have been better character development and the plot would have made a little more sense. Despite how weird this whole movie is, I actually do like the idea and I really like the animation, which is pretty smooth and has really nice lighting. The romance between the pirate and the duchess was also surprisingly cute.
"and sadly, I'm getting the feeling we're not going to get too many cosplays of this in the foreseeable future" QUICK SOME BODY COSPLAY AS A NOVI-SHOWGIRL-GAZELLE
This movie tries to out-do Rango in "how can we make our cast look horrible and bizarre" but while that movie did it as a stroke of genius, this one just does it due to well, bad designs. Also, this movie has really nothing to do with Cinderella. I am thinking that was an afterthought after someone told the producer "we cannot sell a movie called "Hot Gazelle Sherrif" to kids!" :D And maaaan, killing off the stepmother and stepsisters was really a dark move.
It could work. Have Cinderella be a normal timid and meek self that does what her step family wants from her, but have her change into the Gunslinging persona when magic's used on her, and whoa the princes with her skills as a cow girl. See? It's possible. :)
I agree. If they started out with instead of her beating up guys, in the beginning, she's being heckled by them with her head down and trying to avoid confrontation and the shaman has to come to help her before reminding her that one day he won't be there so needs to start fighting her own battles to which she replies that she'd rather not start trouble, then we could've sympathized with her more and it would show why she's willing to put up with the abuse from her stepfamily so when she does get her transformation we can see her being more confident and unafraid.
+ProbeVoyages You do realize that she's not a chicken, right? Do you know how many birds eat other birds eggs, as well as other birds? That's like saying a wolf, a mammal, is a cannibal for eating a deer, another mammal.
... Okay, that's true. But turkeys are NOT predatory animals, so it's still odd. Maybe in their world vegetarian animals have carnivore movements seen just as ridiculous as vegetarian movements in our world. It's official, the Duchess is a member of PETA, Poultry Eating Tasty Animals. Hey, wait. Gazelles are herbivores too. Does Cinderella ever eat meat in this movie? This just got even more disturbing.
Why is Vladimir a Prince when his mother is a Duchess? If she was an Grand Duchess or Archduchess okay but, no it said Duchess, which is lower on the ladder than Prince.
+DreamDancer82 TRUE ROMANCE! And I thought the romance in Jurassic World and The Hunger Games was obnoxious and unpleasant(to be fair, the former isn't supposed to have romance, but the latter wants to focus on the most idiotic romance ever).
It is sad that this is ruined with a poor story and writing. The idea seems very interesting if done correctly, and tbh, i kinda like the odd style of it. The animation kinda looks cool in my opinion and the colors are lively. Does liking the animation make me crazy?
I think the movie could've been pretty good if it was a standalone film not based off anything. It's a shame really that the studio has good animation and cast, but it seems like they cram in the familiar stories to get more recognition and that pretty much ruins it
Oliver exactly. The style is strange and appealing imo, it kinda reminds me of Rango but sort of not? And the animation is very nice. It's a shame they have to tske from other properties, if they had propper writers and an original story they could do amazing things with the animation.
Oliver The story of Rango was horrible tbh, but my point is that the animation has that sort of western anthro type thing going on. I love what they did with the animation here, and like Rango, this had a good animation team but a shitty story. It sucks when good animators go to waste when things like this are pumped out.
"It sucks when good animators go to waste when things like this are pumped out", basically every modern animated sequel. Except Finding Dory (haven't seen it but heard it was good)
"Why do the chairs in Monsters Inc have holes?" Really dude? It's for their tails and stuff. Surprised you didn't know that seeing how you seem to be pretty clever in ways like that.
+g33k_ d4sh I think he was questioning how, if that chair is mass-produced, they seemed to make it just for Sully. You'll notice that no two monsters in Monsters Inc. look alike? How do they make furniture for every different monster out there? Is all of it custom?
Slashbash Well, no two monsters may or may not look like Sully, but it's most likely that there are other monsters that share a similar shape and size to Sully.
g33k_ d4sh True, but imagine how difficult it would be to make furniture custom to all the shapes of the monsters. I mean, it's easy for humans because we're all roughly the same shape.
+g33k_ d4sh Oh no, I figured that out easily. But since it's never addressed while being prominently displayed, it DEMANDS that you think about it. I love seeing details like that in worlds fabricated for inhuman characters. :)
Tell you what, whoever did the models for the female leads must really have a thing for butts. I mean, often you can tell what a artist/writer is into by what commonly appears in his stories.
I don't really have a problem with making Cinderella tough but beating up people just for not taking off their hates is just awful. I don't beat up people for not holding the door open for me!
JBlask it doesn't make sense though because if she's tough then she shouldn't expect to be treated like a lady but she gets mad because men are not treating her like a lady but she beats ppl up . Pick one 1. Be a lady 2. Be independent women that beats ppl up
Why is she making omelettes? As someone else pointed out, it's the bird equivalent to eating an ovum, the cell in a woman's body that gets turned into a fetus when fertilized. And she claims this is a family recipe?! Man, this world is screwed up.And I completely agree that making Cinderella a "strong independent woman" is a mistake, or at least to have her be that way from the beginning. The point of the original story is that Cinderella was rewarded in the end for putting up with everything her stepfamily put her through without complaining. If you want to make Cinderella a stronger character, wait until it's closer to the end for her to start standing up for herself; nearly every film that tries to make Cinderella tough fails because they make the mistake of having her start off strong and not have her go through any character development, and as you said it makes the story harder to believe since she's shown that she's capable of taking care of herself yet is still being pushed around by the stepmother and stepsisters.
Slashbash Hmmm good point, I read my comment, I am sorry if it came across as obnoxious or arrogant, I didn't intend that. I think as a highly respected monster he could afford to have it custom made or they might cater to lets of large monsters with tails. I imagine the opticians must have glasses there to cater to monsters with one eye or dozens of eyes!
Frankly, I wish I could find this movie, either through Netflix or in the bargain bin, where I used to find all my weird animated movies. I like the character designs, lament the lack of even soft R34, and enjoy any movie that acts casual about both interspecies love and parentage. No one even cares about the species involved. Even Zootopia had a few hangups, though Nick doesn't seem to have them. You didn't ask, but the Duchess bit makes sense if her husband was a King and they didn't assign her the title of Queen or Princess-consort on marriage, or if it's a principality and thus prince is the highest rank. It could also have been her hereditary title before marriage. If she's free to be with the pirate captain then her husband is likely dead and succession goes via primogeniture without passing through a spouse except as a regent until the next ruler reaches the age of majority. So, the Prince will go home to his Principality as Crown Prince with Cinderella as the next duchess (or Grand Duchess; they could have been shortening for convenience) or back to his Kingdom to be crowned king and make Cinderella a Lady or something. Nobility and succession is a weird, twisty subject.
Honestly though, there is one way to make kick-butt Cinderella work... ...Have her step-family be even tougher than she is and be able to curb-stomp her if she ever tries to punch back. Thus adding to a further feeling of hopelessness and lack of self worth as the story progresses until the big moment at the ball. Then of course later she gets the confidence to overcome them.
Typically eggs, that are used this way were never fertilized, so no it's not a fetus, unless it was made from Balut, which has a developing embryo in it.
12:18 Mad Max vibes, anyone? Honestly, I kinda like the idea of CInderella being a tough, take-no-shit character who is for some reason so beholden to her stepmother that she's still stuck being, well, Cinderella. It would be interesting to see the character actively looking for a reason to escape and maybe get some revenge instead of passively waiting until a magic spell and a handsome prince come to the rescue. I don't have anything in particular against the original story, I'd just like to see a different take on it. Problem with this movie is it doesn't give Cinderella a reason to still be under Felicity's thumb and it also makes the common mistake of thinking a tough and/or capable character also has to be bitter and violent, and doesn't do anything to balance her out which makes her come off as unlikeable.
This is another case of an awful story some how made using a beautiful and creative style O_o The motion capture especially is pretty flat out amazing!
Well from doing a project in 6th grade on creating my own Cinderella story, we read many versions of Cinderella and this movie, quicksand, that sounds like it belongs on the list of other gruesome Step mother and step sister deaths. There;s some versions where the stepmother and step sisters are boiled alive, cut up and pickled (Indonesian), Drawn and Quartered (Filipino), dragged around in a basket then thrown off a cliff (Japanese), eyes pecked out (Grimm Brothers), the list goes on.
Bobsheaux And when you look at the older iterations of fairy tales oh boy are you in for a shock. Example one of the older versions of Cinderella, Donkeyskin had incest in it. Basically the king decided to marry his daughter she goes "Well !@#$" and calls on the fairy godmother to help her hightail it outta there.
To answer your furry questions- 1. Vegan patties? Either that or in Better Days/Original Life Cows are more aligned to more traditional animals. 2. There’s probably also animals with scales and the same way some people have a dating preference for white or black or any other race in real life there might be people in Sabrina Online who have a preference for dating people with fur. 3. In Monsters Inc the holes are probably for their tails.
I like to believe that the animal families being made up of different animals(turkey mom and dog son foor example) is because the animal they are is determined by their personality or soul. Kinda like a zodiac sign.
Hilarity continues. Love your sheaux! I know it's pointless to mention this, so I'm going to anyhow: some of the earliest (European) treks into the Australian outback included complete galleons, under the mistaken assumption that there was an inland sea. I can imagine subsequent abandoned galleons in the Outback, so what the heck: why not a pirate ship in an Old West-era American (?) desert.
Okay so they have a walking talking turkey for a main character but at 11:18 there is a normal turkey just there? And the duchess orders.. omelette? As in eggs? Either she's a cannibal or she really does just give birth to dogs. In both situations: EECHHH!
I think the chairs in Monsters Inc have holes in them because some of the monsters have tails. They don't want to sit on them, and moving them to the side would be in the way. So, cut out a large hole to put the tail through And Gazelle? For some reason, I thought she was a kangaroo.. but wore clothes over her pouch
The story of Cinderella CAN be done in an old west setting, IF you play it straight, focusing on the story itself. (For the best results, try putting it in a 'Bonanza' or 'The Big Valley' style of western.) Also, Cinderella over Panthy ATW!
There is another Cinderella which does the prior meeting/colourblind casting thing in a lot more charming way, the Brandy version of the Rodgers and Hammerstein musical.
Cinderella not standing up to her family would make sense if they were her only benefactors and she'd be out on the street otherwise but that should be stated.
all those bad movies with furry characters makes me ashamed of my furry interest. I cound it as a bad joke. I take it too seriously. Guess, that's just becasue it's rare to see decent movie with furries. And movies with furries that are made very seriously in character design and storyline, and plot are very rare. Titan After Earth for example. I liked Stith. She has some weird kangaroo like legs. Well, she's not an anthropomorphic animal, though. She was interesting character. But technically, character was underdeveloped as others said. I liked what I saw. Watched Titan A.E. as a kid. The story about making new planet for humans after earth gets destroyed was great enough for me. But you got the point. Treasure planet has some decent anthropomorphic animal characters. They were likeable. The story was good. But I prefer Titan A.E. more. There weren't any moments I could facepalm or feel "Man, that's dull and stupid". Robin Hood was good, but it was kiddy. I like something, that is likeable and has value for any age. Maybe I just need to rewatch kid cartoons later, because Chip and Dale got a lot of hilarious moments that make laugh even now. Hmm.... I would like to see fully armored anthropomorphic lion with the machine gun. With the serious design that is more accurate to actual human body and lion head anatomy. And his personality would be serious, but could laugh at some jokes. I just want to talk. Loneliness makes spam tons of messages.
Shoter Aredein Really curious about what Zootopia's gonna do. lol Who wants to see THIS turned into a movie?? ;) jaynaylor.com/betterdays/archives/chapter-1-honest-girls/
+Shoter Aredein All of that furry and you choose to be a generic animal instead of a new species. Like the WORLD at your fingertips..lioncat thing. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. CREATIVITY.
+Shoter Aredein Yeah, there are too many bad ones - but then again, there are quite a few good ones too: Animalympics, Rango, heck you could say Avatar is one too (it's the ultimate furry movie where the human becomes a furry at the end! :D LOL).
So when I saw this film's title, a thought immediately popped into my head of this being a combination of Cinderella and Once Upon a Time in Mexico. That probably would have turned out to be the better film.
Those pirate outlaws hiding out in a stranded pirate ship in the middle of the desert somehow made me think of Trigun or Gintama. Its so fucking hybrid. San Fransokyo popped in my head.
To be fair, this isn't the first version of Cinderella to have the prince meet Cinderella before the ball. Ever After, Ella Enchanted, Hell Rogers and Hamerstiens' Cinderella (at least the version with Brandy and Whitney Houston).
Can't help it. Had to do it. Now, now, now Now once upon a time in the West Mad man lost his damn mind in the West Loveless, KIDNAP A DIME, nuttin less Now I must, PUT HIS BEHIND TO THE TEST [Can you feel me?] Then through the shadows, in the saddle, ready for battle Bring all your boys in, here come the poison Behind my back, all that riffin ya did Front and center, now where your lip at kid? [Lookin at me!] Who dat is? A mean brother, bad for your health Lookin damn good though, if I could say it myself Told me Loveless is a mad man, but I don't fear that He got mad weapons too? Ain't tryna hear that Tryin to bring down me, THE CHAMPION? When y'all clowns gon' see that it CAN'T BE DONE Understand me, son, I'm the slickest they is I'm the quickest they is (Yeah) Did I say I'm the slickest they is? So if you barkin up the, wrong tree, we comin Don't be startin nuttin, me and my partner gonna Test your chest, Loveless Can't stand the heat, then get out the Wild, Wild, West
I remember watching this is elementary school. We had a "movie day" where we would watch a ton of movies all day and the only reason I watched it was because the other rooms were full
Judging by the size of the desert, the fact that the ship appears to be somewhat buried in the sand, and the presence of a dock there is only one explanation. Either a sea has dried up or an ocean has receded, and the implications of that is horrifying.
I just watched a video by Vox, that talked about how in the old West, there was its own trans history. Some people took advantage of the very thing Bobsheaux apptly says doesn't make a Cinderella story easily fit this setting, and just were themselves. Regardless what society expected from them.
When you were asking about where anthropomorphic animals get beef for burgers, you seem to be experiencing furry confusion. You see, in an animal based world, there are two main types: regular animals, and anthro animals. Usually the anthropomorphic ones are either funny animals (act like humans but look like animals) or petting zoo people (animals that are humanoid)
Panthy is the more attractive one. I like attractive cat girls, because in my opinion, mixing humans with some of the world’s most effective top predators is freaking awesome
There was a book version of a western cinderella that my elementary teachers used to read us all the time so ... but when I clicked on the link, I didn't expect this wreck
In the 1997 Cinderella the prince was Paolo Montalban the king was Victor Garber and the queen was Whoopi Goldberg. Any if memory serves me right they too don’t clarify whether the prince was adopted or if one is a step parent.
7:46 "Now how we ended up here 'Tis a dire and dreadful tale The kind to leave the meanest rogue A-pukin' o'er the rail So faithful soul, what cursed Such a stroke of evil luck Our ship washed up on that there hill And hey, I guess it stuck."~ Pirate King and Crew, "Lords of the Sea" (Galavant)
The scary thing I would sooner get with Felicity then one of her dog daughters. Also, who is that sexy panther you showed briefly? I know her somewhere, I just can't remember where exactly.
THIS is a very important review for us. It led to a request, evolved into flirting and developed into what we have now. I love you! And I still think you look damn good in the hat. ;) Also, great review of a WEIRD movie!
So this is how you two met. I guess love really does work in mysterious ways. You two are definitely a great fit for each other, and don't let anyone *cough* ***** *cough* say otherwise. By the way, is that guy still trying to troll Bobsheaux?
XIII Hearts Please, he's ENCOURAGING us! lol "Go rape your boyfriend already!!!" X( Oh no, he suggested that my girlfriend throw herself at me. What's a guy to do? -_- lmfao And yes, he IS still trolling me, but with hilarious results. In his quest to discredit my A&O4 review, it actually ended up getting me even MORE views and likes! Worst. Trolling. EVER! XD
Bobsheaux Just found his comments on the video in question, and it is just sad that he is so blinded by his obsession of Alpha & Omega that all he can do is call you a bad reviewer without ANYTHING to back him up. Also, his question to "why review sequels to a movie you never liked" is stupid on 2 accounts: 1. You have said you are gaining more and more appreciation for the first movie(To which even when you first reviewed it you called it meh) 2. People review bad movies to show WHY they fail at being a good movie, which is something he doesn't seem to get. It gets even sadder that he even has supporters, one of which said you should fuck off. Though I find it hilarious that despite having over 21 replies, he doesn't have ONE thumb up on his comment. This guy just needs to stop. He isn't getting anything worthwhile done.
XIII Hearts Oh no, he GETS the point of reviewing bad movies, but only when it's convenient for him. lol On top of not being able to shut up about A&O, he's also trying to get as many reviewers as possible to badmouth Swan Princess 5 despite him ALREADY doing it HIMSELF. th-cam.com/video/MXNV-CuzR-g/w-d-xo.html Honest opinion here; HE'S the better reviewer, isn't he??
Perhaps the animals are more representations of personality traits of the characters like an Aesop? Yet if that's the case what meanings are supposed to be lifted from each choice of what character is what animal aside from the on the nose bulldogs?
If this is the direction they wanted to go with the setting and main character, all they'd need to do is have Cindy _actually_ be in Felicity's employ instead of having her be a stepdaughter forced to do all the chores for free. Felicity and her daughters treat Cindy like crap, and she puts up with it because she's got to make a living SOMEHOW. There, plot holes filled.
I found this in a bargain bin once, had a look but didn't buy it. I randomly remembered it today and checked TH-cam and here I am....and umm...it really puts me in mind of Wild Wild West (the one with Will Smith in it) and confused now. For some reason it also makes me think of the original Rocket Raccoon comics with the confusing biology and interspecies confusion.
If you think re-using classical music in Puss'n'Boots was annoying, try watching Golden Films' movies, they ABUSE classical music constantly...and most of the time they don't even match the scene they are played in.
okay I've watched this movie many times. something about it i like but if he knew it was Cinderella why did he risk his life to get the tooth when it fell. you can't put it back in her mouth.
I have a weird liking of this movie. Idk, if I were super board I'd watch it haha. I think the animation is kinda interesting and the story isn't too horrible that I can't handle it. I just am really bothered by how they treated Cinderella's character as demanding represent for being a woman lmao
I have a problem with Cinderella beating up those two guys just for not taking off their hats. Honestly, I hate how many writers confuse "strong female character" with "antagonistic bitch."
+Slashbash Well, a lot of antagonistic bitches confuse themselves for being strong capable women, so you know.
Wolfie Inu A good point.
at least she's hot.
Doesn't excuse her behavior tho
Exactly my problems with Final Fantasy 13’s Lightning.
@@blazicgd At least she's not really a man hating female character. She just can't stand the type of men who don't treat women right, not all of them.
Something that would have made this movie better is that if Cinderella started out as a complete pushover at the beginning, who was afraid to go up against her stepmother or anyone who bullied her. She also should start out as shy, too shy to even go talk to the duchess' son when she sees him getting off the train, and she just watches from the distance. It would make more sense because it would explain why she's willing to be a slave to her stepmother and why the duchess' son wouldn't recognize her during the bar scene. Then, have her stop being such a pushover during the bar fight, when she realized that she needed to protect him from the pirates. After that, she gains confidence about herself and stands up to her stepmother, breaking the duchess' son out of wherever the stepmother kept him locked up in and heading out to help save the duchess. It would have been better character development and the plot would have made a little more sense.
Despite how weird this whole movie is, I actually do like the idea and I really like the animation, which is pretty smooth and has really nice lighting. The romance between the pirate and the duchess was also surprisingly cute.
"and sadly, I'm getting the feeling we're not going to get too many cosplays of this in the foreseeable future" QUICK SOME BODY COSPLAY AS A NOVI-SHOWGIRL-GAZELLE
4 years and still nothing.
ChiefMedicPururu that we know of, anyway
@@ChiefMedicPururu
Boooooooo! ;P
@@Bobsheaux Yeah, I know, it sucks ass.
but you have to admit the mother Turkey was the best character. she didn't let anyone boss her around and didn't play damsel in distress.
"Oh, am I your hostage? Alright, might as well make the best of it!" ^_^
I Just Assume The Turkey Adopted A Dog As A Son Like Mr. Ping, A Goose Adopted Po, A Panda In Kung Fu Panda
This movie tries to out-do Rango in "how can we make our cast look horrible and bizarre" but while that movie did it as a stroke of genius, this one just does it due to well, bad designs.
Also, this movie has really nothing to do with Cinderella. I am thinking that was an afterthought after someone told the producer "we cannot sell a movie called "Hot Gazelle Sherrif" to kids!" :D
And maaaan, killing off the stepmother and stepsisters was really a dark move.
+Swift Nimblefoot They didn't die.
They almost died, twice. But they didn't.
It could work.
Have Cinderella be a normal timid and meek self that does what her step family wants from her, but have her change into the Gunslinging persona when magic's used on her, and whoa the princes with her skills as a cow girl.
See? It's possible. :)
I agree. If they started out with instead of her beating up guys, in the beginning, she's being heckled by them with her head down and trying to avoid confrontation and the shaman has to come to help her before reminding her that one day he won't be there so needs to start fighting her own battles to which she replies that she'd rather not start trouble, then we could've sympathized with her more and it would show why she's willing to put up with the abuse from her stepfamily so when she does get her transformation we can see her being more confident and unafraid.
WAIT. WHAT?
THE DUCHESS IS A BIRD, RIGHT?
THE BIRD HAS A RECIPE AND A DEVELOPED FINE TASTE FOR OMELETS. CANNIBAL!!!
+ProbeVoyages Ewww, I never thought of that. O_o
+ProbeVoyages You do realize that she's not a chicken, right? Do you know how many birds eat other birds eggs, as well as other birds? That's like saying a wolf, a mammal, is a cannibal for eating a deer, another mammal.
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Okay, that's true. But turkeys are NOT predatory animals, so it's still odd. Maybe in their world vegetarian animals have carnivore movements seen just as ridiculous as vegetarian movements in our world. It's official, the Duchess is a member of PETA, Poultry Eating Tasty Animals.
Hey, wait. Gazelles are herbivores too. Does Cinderella ever eat meat in this movie? This just got even more disturbing.
ProbeVoyages Maybe it's like Narnia and there's smart animals and dumb animals.
There is a case of a chicken who lived off her own eggs.
...That's sick in so many ways.
Why is Vladimir a Prince when his mother is a Duchess? If she was an Grand Duchess or Archduchess okay but, no it said Duchess, which is lower on the ladder than Prince.
Because when a dog is somehow the son of a turkey, no one questions their titles. lol
Bobsheaux I guess not. lol.
+Bovsheaux You: "What the hell were they thinking here?!"
Me: " 'What were they SMOKING?', more like."
+Nathaniel Rincon Maybe her father (Vladimir's grandfather) is the Archduke and he's still ruling their kingdom?
GuitarWolf1991 That still wouldn't work, as Again SHE would have to be a Grand Duchess.
12:01: WHO ARE YOU? WHAT HAPPENED TO BOBSHEAUX?!?!?!
Stephen Brown Hello police? I'd like to report an IMPOSTER
THE CHANNEL WAS HACKED!!!
Lol funny joke
Where’s Bobsheaux!?
One, the guy's name is Bob Thomas. Two, are you for real? Even I can tell he drew a mustache on his face
Wait, wait, wait a minute . . . . instead of a glass slipper, he's searching for this girl using a knocked out tooth?! Gross!
+DreamDancer82 TRUE ROMANCE! And I thought the romance in Jurassic World and The Hunger Games was obnoxious and unpleasant(to be fair, the former isn't supposed to have romance, but the latter wants to focus on the most idiotic romance ever).
+DreamDancer82 Gross is the word for it.
@@johnalogue9832 huh? Did you even READ the books?!
mayb having children in this universe is kinda like a "roll of the dice" like 2 chipmunks have a baby and get an elephant.... BECAUSE MOVIE
+Clip+Cucumber Sure, why the hell not? lol
woot!!
Rango ripoff but with Cinderella
Yeah i was thinking that XD
But why would someone rip off that crap
+Lord Prince Zuko Still a better love story than Twilight, though. B)
grace likes jace It's a great movie!
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHH!
For knock-offs....this actually LOOKS good cgi wise....everything else about this film blows
Yeah. Gotta admit her dress looks amazing though and am I the only one who finds the blue eye paint really unique?
It is sad that this is ruined with a poor story and writing. The idea seems very interesting if done correctly, and tbh, i kinda like the odd style of it. The animation kinda looks cool in my opinion and the colors are lively. Does liking the animation make me crazy?
I think the movie could've been pretty good if it was a standalone film not based off anything. It's a shame really that the studio has good animation and cast, but it seems like they cram in the familiar stories to get more recognition and that pretty much ruins it
Oliver exactly. The style is strange and appealing imo, it kinda reminds me of Rango but sort of not? And the animation is very nice. It's a shame they have to tske from other properties, if they had propper writers and an original story they could do amazing things with the animation.
Yeah. I never liked Rango tbh, found it boring and unoriginal
Oliver The story of Rango was horrible tbh, but my point is that the animation has that sort of western anthro type thing going on. I love what they did with the animation here, and like Rango, this had a good animation team but a shitty story. It sucks when good animators go to waste when things like this are pumped out.
"It sucks when good animators go to waste when things like this are pumped out", basically every modern animated sequel. Except Finding Dory (haven't seen it but heard it was good)
If they wanted the duchess to be a scrawny, withered old bag, they could've used a Chinese Crested
+David “Riceman” Rice
1. Eeww.
2. Good idea. :)
3. EEWW!!!
This seems like a cash in on Rango.
+Tyler Shewchuk At least the visual style is closer than the True Story of Puss in Boots to what it is supposedly ripping off.
At least this movie doesn't have its main character be shatner trying to do his best gollum impression
"Why do the chairs in Monsters Inc have holes?"
Really dude? It's for their tails and stuff. Surprised you didn't know that seeing how you seem to be pretty clever in ways like that.
+g33k_ d4sh I think he was questioning how, if that chair is mass-produced, they seemed to make it just for Sully. You'll notice that no two monsters in Monsters Inc. look alike? How do they make furniture for every different monster out there? Is all of it custom?
Slashbash Well, no two monsters may or may not look like Sully, but it's most likely that there are other monsters that share a similar shape and size to Sully.
g33k_ d4sh True, but imagine how difficult it would be to make furniture custom to all the shapes of the monsters. I mean, it's easy for humans because we're all roughly the same shape.
+g33k_ d4sh Oh no, I figured that out easily. But since it's never addressed while being prominently displayed, it DEMANDS that you think about it. I love seeing details like that in worlds fabricated for inhuman characters. :)
TheShockinglyEloquentDog woof I don't think Bob would do that. He would know better to do that.
Tell you what, whoever did the models for the female leads must really have a thing for butts. I mean, often you can tell what a artist/writer is into by what commonly appears in his stories.
I don't really have a problem with making Cinderella tough but beating up people just for not taking off their hates is just awful. I don't beat up people for not holding the door open for me!
JBlask it doesn't make sense though because if she's tough then she shouldn't expect to be treated like a lady but she gets mad because men are not treating her like a lady but she beats ppl up . Pick one 1. Be a lady 2. Be independent women that beats ppl up
@@jborrego2406 It must be learned behavior from other people she grew up around before the stepmother.
I'm not gonna lie, the animation here actually looks really good! Especially for a Direct to DVD movie.
Deserts are commonly realized as dried up oceans. Just something to think about as a reason there may be a pirate ship in the desert.
Why is she making omelettes? As someone else pointed out, it's the bird equivalent to eating an ovum, the cell in a woman's body that gets turned into a fetus when fertilized. And she claims this is a family recipe?! Man, this world is screwed up.And I completely agree that making Cinderella a "strong independent woman" is a mistake, or at least to have her be that way from the beginning. The point of the original story is that Cinderella was rewarded in the end for putting up with everything her stepfamily put her through without complaining. If you want to make Cinderella a stronger character, wait until it's closer to the end for her to start standing up for herself; nearly every film that tries to make Cinderella tough fails because they make the mistake of having her start off strong and not have her go through any character development, and as you said it makes the story harder to believe since she's shown that she's capable of taking care of herself yet is still being pushed around by the stepmother and stepsisters.
Yeah, that slow buildup to stand up for herself worked in A Cinderella Story (the Hilarly Duff one)
She was defenceless from very beginning of the story.
dude feminists have been making foods with period blood for at least 3 years before the review came out. this film is ahead of its time
The seat in Monsters Inc. has a hole in it for Sully's tail... obviously.
+ademetal He probably was asking why it was made in the first place. Was it a custom job?
You can assume that with the BIG varity of size and form need some kind of varity in their furnace.
Slashbash Hmmm good point, I read my comment, I am sorry if it came across as obnoxious or arrogant, I didn't intend that. I think as a highly respected monster he could afford to have it custom made or they might cater to lets of large monsters with tails. I imagine the opticians must have glasses there to cater to monsters with one eye or dozens of eyes!
ademetal Lol you weren't coming off as arrogant or obnoxious. You saw a flaw and pointed it out. That's all.
+ademetal Of course it was. But they never address it, it's just kind of THERE. It FORCES you to think about it. :)
Frankly, I wish I could find this movie, either through Netflix or in the bargain bin, where I used to find all my weird animated movies. I like the character designs, lament the lack of even soft R34, and enjoy any movie that acts casual about both interspecies love and parentage. No one even cares about the species involved. Even Zootopia had a few hangups, though Nick doesn't seem to have them.
You didn't ask, but the Duchess bit makes sense if her husband was a King and they didn't assign her the title of Queen or Princess-consort on marriage, or if it's a principality and thus prince is the highest rank. It could also have been her hereditary title before marriage. If she's free to be with the pirate captain then her husband is likely dead and succession goes via primogeniture without passing through a spouse except as a regent until the next ruler reaches the age of majority. So, the Prince will go home to his Principality as Crown Prince with Cinderella as the next duchess (or Grand Duchess; they could have been shortening for convenience) or back to his Kingdom to be crowned king and make Cinderella a Lady or something. Nobility and succession is a weird, twisty subject.
Honestly though, there is one way to make kick-butt Cinderella work...
...Have her step-family be even tougher than she is and be able to curb-stomp her if she ever tries to punch back. Thus adding to a further feeling of hopelessness and lack of self worth as the story progresses until the big moment at the ball. Then of course later she gets the confidence to overcome them.
I really love some of the character designs especially the duchess's design
12:39 wait isn't she basically eating the equivalent of an unborn fetus
+Goofy Goober ... damn, you're right. That's pretty dark.
Well, she's a turkey, and omelettes are generally made with chicken eggs. So it would be closer to human eating the unborn fetus of some other mammal.
Kahran042 turkeys lay eggs too, ya never know
Typically eggs, that are used this way were never fertilized, so no it's not a fetus, unless it was made from Balut, which has a developing embryo in it.
But eggs usually aren't fertilized, meaning that the baby is not even conceived. So it's different.
No matter how bad this movie may be, the animation is amazing to me, I love it
Well Dan Reynolds |-/ to me it looks like an Xbox Kinect game like that animal game on there
And you have to admit that it was nice someone bothered to do a Cinderella story set in the old west.
12:18 Mad Max vibes, anyone?
Honestly, I kinda like the idea of CInderella being a tough, take-no-shit character who is for some reason so beholden to her stepmother that she's still stuck being, well, Cinderella. It would be interesting to see the character actively looking for a reason to escape and maybe get some revenge instead of passively waiting until a magic spell and a handsome prince come to the rescue. I don't have anything in particular against the original story, I'd just like to see a different take on it. Problem with this movie is it doesn't give Cinderella a reason to still be under Felicity's thumb and it also makes the common mistake of thinking a tough and/or capable character also has to be bitter and violent, and doesn't do anything to balance her out which makes her come off as unlikeable.
This is another case of an awful story some how made using a beautiful and creative style O_o
The motion capture especially is pretty flat out amazing!
Well from doing a project in 6th grade on creating my own Cinderella story, we read many versions of Cinderella and this movie, quicksand, that sounds like it belongs on the list of other gruesome Step mother and step sister deaths. There;s some versions where the stepmother and step sisters are boiled alive, cut up and pickled (Indonesian), Drawn and Quartered (Filipino), dragged around in a basket then thrown off a cliff (Japanese), eyes pecked out (Grimm Brothers), the list goes on.
+Chocobo0Scribe Yum, pickled stepfamily. The sweet kind of pickle, or the sour kind?
ProbeVoyages
Not sure, I think it was the sour kind.
Oh good, I prefer that kind.
+Chocobo0Scribe You know, for kids! O_o
Bobsheaux
And when you look at the older iterations of fairy tales oh boy are you in for a shock. Example one of the older versions of Cinderella, Donkeyskin had incest in it. Basically the king decided to marry his daughter she goes "Well !@#$" and calls on the fairy godmother to help her hightail it outta there.
To answer your furry questions-
1. Vegan patties? Either that or in Better Days/Original Life Cows are more aligned to more traditional animals.
2. There’s probably also animals with scales and the same way some people have a dating preference for white or black or any other race in real life there might be people in Sabrina Online who have a preference for dating people with fur.
3. In Monsters Inc the holes are probably for their tails.
Interesting...
Mind if I borrow these explanations?
It is really entertaining to see the duchess being able to outwit the pirate bandits.
I like to believe that the animal families being made up of different animals(turkey mom and dog son foor example) is because the animal they are is determined by their personality or soul. Kinda like a zodiac sign.
Hilarity continues. Love your sheaux!
I know it's pointless to mention this, so I'm going to anyhow: some of the earliest (European) treks into the Australian outback included complete galleons, under the mistaken assumption that there was an inland sea. I can imagine subsequent abandoned galleons in the Outback, so what the heck: why not a pirate ship in an Old West-era American (?) desert.
Sulley's chair in Monsters, Inc. has a hole in it because that's where his tail goes.
***** Exactly! If we're gonna see a world full of non-human characters, let's see a world that properly accommodates them. lol
+Bobsheaux But why would he not habe a chair suited for himself.
The Spanish Galleon in the desert must be based on the rumored lost ship in the colorado desert south of the Salton Sea
It's so late and I just wanted to listen to Ennio Morricone but I find this and I'm laughing so hard right now
7:09 "got something to say little cloud?"
Littlecloud is the Shadowclan medicine cat the warriors series .-.
Warriors fandom reaches every realm of youtube, I see.
XD there is no escape! We are everywhere O_O
Bzzt, wrong! He is /A/ Medicine Cat! ;P
fancy seeing another warriors fan here! ;^)
I've heard that Warriors is really good. I should read it at some time.
Okay so they have a walking talking turkey for a main character but at 11:18 there is a normal turkey just there? And the duchess orders.. omelette? As in eggs? Either she's a cannibal or she really does just give birth to dogs. In both situations: EECHHH!
+Amabel Fry Sould be okay as long as they arent urkey eggs
I think the chairs in Monsters Inc have holes in them because some of the monsters have tails. They don't want to sit on them, and moving them to the side would be in the way. So, cut out a large hole to put the tail through
And Gazelle? For some reason, I thought she was a kangaroo.. but wore clothes over her pouch
+lilsingingsensation Huh. I guess her being a kangaroo would better explain why she's so scrappy. lol
The story of Cinderella CAN be done in an old west setting, IF you play it straight, focusing on the story itself. (For the best results, try putting it in a 'Bonanza' or 'The Big Valley' style of western.)
Also, Cinderella over Panthy ATW!
There is another Cinderella which does the prior meeting/colourblind casting thing in a lot more charming way, the Brandy version of the Rodgers and Hammerstein musical.
+logic33 I was gonna mention that too!
Cinderella not standing up to her family would make sense if they were her only benefactors and she'd be out on the street otherwise but that should be stated.
all those bad movies with furry characters makes me ashamed of my furry interest.
I cound it as a bad joke.
I take it too seriously.
Guess, that's just becasue it's rare to see decent movie with furries.
And movies with furries that are made very seriously in character design and storyline, and plot are very rare.
Titan After Earth for example. I liked Stith. She has some weird kangaroo like legs.
Well, she's not an anthropomorphic animal, though.
She was interesting character. But technically, character was underdeveloped as others said.
I liked what I saw.
Watched Titan A.E. as a kid.
The story about making new planet for humans after earth gets destroyed was great enough for me.
But you got the point.
Treasure planet has some decent anthropomorphic animal characters.
They were likeable.
The story was good.
But I prefer Titan A.E. more.
There weren't any moments I could facepalm or feel "Man, that's dull and stupid".
Robin Hood was good, but it was kiddy.
I like something, that is likeable and has value for any age.
Maybe I just need to rewatch kid cartoons later, because Chip and Dale got a lot of hilarious moments that make laugh even now.
Hmm....
I would like to see fully armored anthropomorphic lion with the machine gun.
With the serious design that is more accurate to actual human body and lion head anatomy. And his personality would be serious, but could laugh at some jokes.
I just want to talk.
Loneliness makes spam tons of messages.
Shoter Aredein Preaching to choir on that one. The Alpha & Omega Movies, make me ashamed of Liking wolves.
Shoter Aredein Really curious about what Zootopia's gonna do. lol
Who wants to see THIS turned into a movie?? ;)
jaynaylor.com/betterdays/archives/chapter-1-honest-girls/
Shoter Aredein Well, Zootopia looks like it's going to be pretty good.
+Shoter Aredein All of that furry and you choose to be a generic animal instead of a new species. Like the WORLD at your fingertips..lioncat thing.
WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. CREATIVITY.
+Shoter Aredein Yeah, there are too many bad ones - but then again, there are quite a few good ones too: Animalympics, Rango, heck you could say Avatar is one too (it's the ultimate furry movie where the human becomes a furry at the end! :D LOL).
Why would they need to say he is adopted? ITS OBVIOUS!
yeah, like in Kung Fu Panda, Po is obviously adopted, even though they don't tell you. At least in the first movie.
SEE???? I HAVE FOLLOWERS!!!!! STORM THE CASTLE AND TAKE HIS HEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
maybe he's her step son
+Gaby “Lexicona1996” George or his DAD was a dog :p it's a cartoon so no need to explain
So when I saw this film's title, a thought immediately popped into my head of this being a combination of Cinderella and Once Upon a Time in Mexico. That probably would have turned out to be the better film.
Seeing Bob's interest in the furry characters makes me wonder how he'd react if Lilly from Alpha and Omega was anthro....hmmm...*eyes sketchbook*
+Claudio Teixeira Probably something like this....
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Interspecies love,
Some odd landscape,
Tale as old as time,
Song as old as rhyme,
Turkey and the Ape.
That was wayyy too good 🤣🤣🤣
The pirate ship actually makes a little sense maybe the used to be a sea there and it sunk
Those pirate outlaws hiding out in a stranded pirate ship in the middle of the desert somehow made me think of Trigun or Gintama. Its so fucking hybrid. San Fransokyo popped in my head.
To be fair, this isn't the first version of Cinderella to have the prince meet Cinderella before the ball. Ever After, Ella Enchanted, Hell Rogers and Hamerstiens' Cinderella (at least the version with Brandy and Whitney Houston).
+Estella1507 Did they MEET meet, like we see in this movie where it looks like they're getting very well acquainted, or was it just in passing?
Can't help it. Had to do it.
Now, now, now
Now once upon a time in the West
Mad man lost his damn mind in the West
Loveless, KIDNAP A DIME, nuttin less
Now I must, PUT HIS BEHIND TO THE TEST [Can you feel me?]
Then through the shadows, in the saddle, ready for battle
Bring all your boys in, here come the poison
Behind my back, all that riffin ya did
Front and center, now where your lip at kid? [Lookin at me!]
Who dat is? A mean brother, bad for your health
Lookin damn good though, if I could say it myself
Told me Loveless is a mad man, but I don't fear that
He got mad weapons too? Ain't tryna hear that
Tryin to bring down me, THE CHAMPION?
When y'all clowns gon' see that it CAN'T BE DONE
Understand me, son, I'm the slickest they is
I'm the quickest they is (Yeah)
Did I say I'm the slickest they is?
So if you barkin up the, wrong tree, we comin
Don't be startin nuttin, me and my partner gonna
Test your chest, Loveless
Can't stand the heat, then get out the Wild, Wild, West
Don't yew jus' HATE that sowng? Lol
I swear the director have a ostrich fetish
alienvspredator444 th-cam.com/video/3GrV3OZdjP8/w-d-xo.html
Or the animators can't do horses 🐎
@@gothnerd887 I was thinking more like he was a huge Final Fantasy fan and hoped we caught the reference to Chocobos.
I remember watching this is elementary school. We had a "movie day" where we would watch a ton of movies all day and the only reason I watched it was because the other rooms were full
Nice! I did not expect to see Jay Naylor's Original Life and Eric Schwartz's Sabrina Online.
i liked this movie idc what anyone else thinks i would watch it again
If it weren't ripping off Cinderella I think it'd be really good. I like all the stylistic changes they made.
I saw this movie a long time ago and did not like it, but I've come to like it. I love it because it's a spoof and for out leading lady.
Judging by the size of the desert, the fact that the ship appears to be somewhat buried in the sand, and the presence of a dock there is only one explanation. Either a sea has dried up or an ocean has receded, and the implications of that is horrifying.
I actually want to watch this movie now
If I want a quirky anthropomorphic animal story set in the old west, I think I will stick with Rango.
All im pictureing when I hear cinderella here is Miss Yamanaka from K-ON! Same va
Is it just me or does this Cinderella perfectly sum up modern feminism?
I just watched a video by Vox, that talked about how in the old West, there was its own trans history. Some people took advantage of the very thing Bobsheaux apptly says doesn't make a Cinderella story easily fit this setting, and just were themselves. Regardless what society expected from them.
When you were asking about where anthropomorphic animals get beef for burgers, you seem to be experiencing furry confusion. You see, in an animal based world, there are two main types: regular animals, and anthro animals. Usually the anthropomorphic ones are either funny animals (act like humans but look like animals) or petting zoo people (animals that are humanoid)
This movie doesn't seem too bad, but it's not the story of Cinderella. The main character just has the same name, it seems like.
Panthy is the more attractive one. I like attractive cat girls, because in my opinion, mixing humans with some of the world’s most effective top predators is freaking awesome
This studio should just make a pirate movie
There was a book version of a western cinderella that my elementary teachers used to read us all the time so ... but when I clicked on the link, I didn't expect this wreck
4:41 The hole is for Sully's tail. The filmmakers confirmed this decades ago in the BTS features.
11:57 Hey! Who are you and what have you done to him!?
Nekotaku You'll NEVER find him!! NYEHEHEHEHEHEH!!!!
NOOOOOO! D:
Bobsheaux ok papyrus
In the 1997 Cinderella the prince was Paolo Montalban the king was Victor Garber and the queen was Whoopi Goldberg. Any if memory serves me right they too don’t clarify whether the prince was adopted or if one is a step parent.
7:46
"Now how we ended up here
'Tis a dire and dreadful tale
The kind to leave the meanest rogue
A-pukin' o'er the rail
So faithful soul, what cursed
Such a stroke of evil luck
Our ship washed up on that there hill
And hey, I guess it stuck."~ Pirate King and Crew, "Lords of the Sea" (Galavant)
If the prince knew that it was cinderella why the fuck did he risk his life for the tooth?
All according to plan.
Why did the prince risk his life to get Cinderella's tooth if he already knew she was the mystery girl?
Maybe he was trying to get her to admit it...?
The scary thing I would sooner get with Felicity then one of her dog daughters. Also, who is that sexy panther you showed briefly? I know her somewhere, I just can't remember where exactly.
Is it the one at 9:02 you mean?
THIS is a very important review for us. It led to a request, evolved into flirting and developed into what we have now. I love you! And I still think you look damn good in the hat. ;)
Also, great review of a WEIRD movie!
So this is how you two met. I guess love really does work in mysterious ways. You two are definitely a great fit for each other, and don't let anyone *cough* ***** *cough* say otherwise.
By the way, is that guy still trying to troll Bobsheaux?
Raven Fox Audio And you'll definitely be seeing MORE of it, my lady. *tips* ;)
XIII Hearts Please, he's ENCOURAGING us! lol
"Go rape your boyfriend already!!!" X(
Oh no, he suggested that my girlfriend throw herself at me. What's a guy to do? -_- lmfao
And yes, he IS still trolling me, but with hilarious results. In his quest to discredit my A&O4 review, it actually ended up getting me even MORE views and likes! Worst. Trolling. EVER! XD
Bobsheaux Just found his comments on the video in question, and it is just sad that he is so blinded by his obsession of Alpha & Omega that all he can do is call you a bad reviewer without ANYTHING to back him up. Also, his question to "why review sequels to a movie you never liked" is stupid on 2 accounts:
1. You have said you are gaining more and more appreciation for the first movie(To which even when you first reviewed it you called it meh)
2. People review bad movies to show WHY they fail at being a good movie, which is something he doesn't seem to get.
It gets even sadder that he even has supporters, one of which said you should fuck off. Though I find it hilarious that despite having over 21 replies, he doesn't have ONE thumb up on his comment. This guy just needs to stop. He isn't getting anything worthwhile done.
XIII Hearts Oh no, he GETS the point of reviewing bad movies, but only when it's convenient for him. lol On top of not being able to shut up about A&O, he's also trying to get as many reviewers as possible to badmouth Swan Princess 5 despite him ALREADY doing it HIMSELF.
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Honest opinion here; HE'S the better reviewer, isn't he??
Cinderella reminds me of a untalented western version of Gazelle from Zootopia XD
I agree. This really was better than the true story of puss in boots but there were definetly bad parts, i dont even think i want to bring those up.
Perhaps the animals are more representations of personality traits of the characters like an Aesop? Yet if that's the case what meanings are supposed to be lifted from each choice of what character is what animal aside from the on the nose bulldogs?
Wait wait wait. F E L I C I T Y??? I hope this doesn't turn out like the last Felicity I saw in a movie... Cough cough Felidae.
If this is the direction they wanted to go with the setting and main character, all they'd need to do is have Cindy _actually_ be in Felicity's employ instead of having her be a stepdaughter forced to do all the chores for free. Felicity and her daughters treat Cindy like crap, and she puts up with it because she's got to make a living SOMEHOW. There, plot holes filled.
I found this in a bargain bin once, had a look but didn't buy it. I randomly remembered it today and checked TH-cam and here I am....and umm...it really puts me in mind of Wild Wild West (the one with Will Smith in it) and confused now. For some reason it also makes me think of the original Rocket Raccoon comics with the confusing biology and interspecies confusion.
im gonna get shat on for this, but the animation was not that bad
releasethekraken It was, actually. :)
+releasethekraken Honestly, my biggest problem is that they are all animals, and the fact of the biology being so wrong. Both scientific and morally.
It actually wasn't bad. It looks pretty good.
That joke you made was funny...... AND THATS THE TOOTH !!!
Funny how the true story of Cinderella... The one where said Stepmother and sisters get their eyes pecked out by birds... Was Into The Woods.
If you think re-using classical music in Puss'n'Boots was annoying, try watching Golden Films' movies, they ABUSE classical music constantly...and most of the time they don't even match the scene they are played in.
*Face Palm at that DUmb Ending*
you said cosplay...I am screenshoting images of that outfit now!!! I want it!
The Black Pearl sinking like the Titanic in quicksand?
+Akaaraq Hansen Why not? *shrugs* lol
11:58 WHAT DID U DO WITH BOB!?
Then we salt him.
And we pepper him.
Then we braze him in clarified butter.
And then...
WE EAT HIM.
okay I've watched this movie many times. something about it i like but if he knew it was Cinderella why did he risk his life to get the tooth when it fell. you can't put it back in her mouth.
You can if the gum hasn't completely healed up yet. But I would assume it had been long enough that you're completely right.
Panthy's hotter than Cinderella.
Woudlnt mind lewds of the two together, or even better, cutes.
i like this animation.... but i dont think i would really enjoy the movie too much o.o
I have a weird liking of this movie. Idk, if I were super board I'd watch it haha. I think the animation is kinda interesting and the story isn't too horrible that I can't handle it. I just am really bothered by how they treated Cinderella's character as demanding represent for being a woman lmao
The voice actress for Cinderella sounds like Karen Strassman... tell me it isn't!
+ademetal Oh trust me it is. Sad day for the animation community ain't it?
Sheridan Mann Great, whenever I hear her in another role I'll be reminded of this film... thank you. lol
Yeah, sorry.
It still better than superman and Wonderwoman as a couple
Its one of those movie not because you'd think it will be good but because you're curious on what directions it will take.