Why Failure Is Important.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ย. 2024
- Failing is a beautiful thing. Today I’m discussing with my producer Jenny May Finn what failure looks like for a musician or a band in the industry and query what does success actually mean? How does it feel to fail and what is the importance of failure? I also talk about the times that I have “failed” and how it really felt. Let's keep the conversation going in the comments, let me know what your definition of failure and success are.
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If you fail I fail Justin, this is just how the universe works Justin
Hey Justin, why are the Aussie shows next year 18+? My son is so disappointed he can’t go 😢
Review Dirt Miller - Kansas City, Ren gave him a much deserved shout out.
I think someone is trying to be you. I have had a link saying I won guitar but it looks suspicious to me . Warn your fans.
There is a scam running on this channel. I have proof and please be careful
At a train station in London I saw a big Hen Party singing I Believe in a Thing Called Love at the bride to be. That song has Transcended in the same way that Seven Nation Army or Mr Brightside has. It's practically a folk song now.
really enjoyed the part about failing is when you do not act/embody your values or not listening to your true authentic self. ✨💛✨
If you want to read or hear “the darkness” a lot, I suggest the book “opening to darkness” by Zenju Earthlyn Manuel 🤣🤣🤣
I retesting book by the way
Nice to see and hear Jenny again. You guys have a great dynamic.
As a band that has been going for 20 years, this discussion has come up a few times. I think our aims started out differently at the beginning, when we were young and more naive, but our aims have changed over time, so it's difficult to see ourselves as having failed since we're still producing music and heading in a direction that we are all happy with and have complete control over. Society also measures success in a very weird way that, almost inevitably, sets people up for feeling like they've failed. Success should be found in the smaller things - like the fact that we're still friends, making and releasing music, is a success. Really enjoyed the podcast. It's a great topic of conversation.
The mere fact that you have a collective, playing music together, at practice and gigs makes you a success. I don't know what you do in the band. I was a Singer, could play lead guitar as needed, as well as keys and percussion.There may be more of this for singers, but I've felt it, just playing a baseline in a song, or something off a hexatonic scale or some shiii....and thats the feeling of being in another world. It's like you're observing yourself do what you do. When music falls in the groove, I can't think of anything better, really....and while gone in this world, you can still look out your window for cues, giving signals, or interacting with anyone. I so wish I could get a group put together now...I have every ounce of gear a band needs to jam, or do a full Studio Production..Gonna be really careful with who I meet through ads.
I was fortunate enough to have toe opportunity to Sing with The Darkness in Kansas City, Oct. 11, during soundcheck. That was my first time performing in front of an audience, since 2003, and, Man, was it a lift. Thankfully my son was among the attendees, so he got me some great pics! You are right...Just being able to play and share music is a blessing, and a heck of Success!
It baffles me how some people see the darkness as a falliure, the way i see it you put out music that has entertained someone (in some cases millions). How can that be a failed endevour?
'Cos Max Bygraves did exactly the same. Along with a million other unspeakable singers and bands whose collected oeuvres each could curdle milk.
That being said I don't think The Darkness are a failure. (Even though I definitely thought Justin needed rescuing from himself when I saw him on that Song To Eurovision programme. But in the many years since then John Lydon has taken P/i/L onto the same programme, with about the same level of success, so what do I know?)
I love this podcast and I don't know why. You're wonderful, Justin.
Thanks for watching
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Another great show. It takes some character to lay yourself bare like you have in the last couple of these shows. I tip my hat to you Sir.
“Ever tried.
Ever failed.
No matter.
Try again.
Fail again.
Fail better.”
-Samuel Beckett
If at first you don’t succeed, give up. - Homer Simpson
Jenny almost sang!! So close!
I thought that also! Then she returned her mouth and face back to her lovely 'stoic' self!
I read somewhere that not learning from your mistakes is considered failure.
Of course!!!! failure = learning, nobody does anything well unless they have practiced and failed a thousand times, people become afraid to make mistakes due to failure being ridiculed or punished by people around them, I never punished my kids for genuine mistakes, we always sat down and worked out a better way to go in future to avoid that mistake again, it's called learning, your kids need to be encouraged to succeed by realising how to use there experience of failing to always get things right. Never ever be afraid to fail, treat it as a lesson learned and move onwards and forwards.
I'd see retirement as an end product of succes. Being working class you just expect to work until you drop down dead but to be able to retire shows some level of financial and life security.
But I love you. I was never a fan of your music, because I wasn't there, but you have a great personality and an intriguing show. My musical failures always made every song that came next even better.
Same here. The Darkness completely went under my radar because it's not the same genre of music I typically go for. But damn, what a lovely and friendly bloke.
I love your theme tune, it changes daily, usually you add different expressions related to how you feel, how much you want to put in into it, and what your discussing, also i see you experimenting and also just singing practice!
I do quite like it when you find a new song you can have on repeat - great feeling
Didnt see it yet but title is wrong... you are not a failure... you are a myth to me and that's enough for me🤘
Another wonderful chat…and Speed of the nite time is a brilliant song. Everything about it. The music, the lyrics, the theme, the vocals.
58:45 Love Speed of the Night time... Such an 80s vibe!
Your hair's looking great in the intro 👍😃
Great episode, as a side point, I also think Speed Of The Nite Time is fookin class! That is all 😊
I loved this conversation.. I could hear you both for hours. Glad I found your TH-cam channel ❤️
I absolutely loved this. Haven't been able to finish many of your other podcast-type videos, but this one was just captivating. Love the honesty and insight from you both.
You and the Darkness are an absolute success. But not because you had a hit or because people come to your shows, but because you do what you want to do, what makes you happy, for a living, and you have a body of work that endures, something to show for it all.
My problem is by my own standards I'm a failure. And given that I'm in that state of utter failure, every single day, it's really quite hard to talk about it. So I distract myself so I won't just😭because that doesn't solve anything either.
Contentness is, in a sense, the opposite of covetousness, which equates to doing things on your own terms and by your own standards. This is why so many people watch this show. It's authentic, nonpretentious, and original. It is a SUCCESS.
What a wonderfully frank discussion, good on you for being so comfortable in your own skin.
Hope to catch you next month at the show in LA, crossing fingers that your back doesn’t get iffy.
I remember seeing you on TV quite a bit in the early to mid 00’s and you mostly looked like you weren’t enjoying the TV studio experience or just resented the interviewers inane questions. At the time I probably thought you were being a rockstar diva but since becoming a rockstar diva myself and learning about the various rock genres I now know you were in fact being a *glam* rockstar diva.
Oh my you are definitely NOT a failure never ever believe that about yourself you did an awesome job and have more success to come we experience we learn we grow from all we lived and done that’s not ever a failure and anyone who believes that doesn’t understand life and what we are all here for and what we are all about!! You created such a look sound and experience so uniquely you not everyone can do that so NO definitely not a failure ever my dear!!🤗😘💗👍💪💗🥰🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I'm sorry you hate video making, you're so good at it though compared to what we usually get nowadays. Is It Just Me, In Another Life, Growing On Me, Open Fire, Last of Our Kind, all of these were great videos! I love the animated ones too like Barbarian, Happiness, Nothing's Gonna Stop Us, absolutely FIRE!! Wish you'd done ones for Speed of the Nite Time and maybe Living Each Day Blind as my 2 favorite non-single songs.
Our of curiosity which video were you referring to that you were actually happy with?
My father is a multimillionaire and I am nearly penniless, but I would never want to live his life. The measure of success is different for everyone. It's a matter of how you gauge happiness against wealth, recognition and experience.
Also, that fit is so good Jenny! You look amazing!
I'm so happy to hear you talking about Foxy and so grateful to you guys for introducing me to them. The only downside is they've never come back to the UK since I got into them. So if you'd consider touring with them again, it'd be like the best night ever... (Not that darkness gigs aren't always the best nights ever of course!)
I found your performance for Eurovision, and I thought you did a really great job. I really liked that you took the high harmony.
Speed of the Nite Time is amazing!
I salute and wholeheartedly agree with Jenny's view of men (or partners in general) and their importance in one's life. One really shouldn't have their happiness depend on whether or not they have a partner.
I disagree with her that it's social programming. Finding a partner is surely an inate desire as humans/animals. Physical hormonal chemical changes during our lives dictate our desires far more powerfully than the ego. No?
In every aspect of life there are failures and successes. People say that you only fail when you give up but your example of Eurovision - shows you would have felt more successful if you had quit, rather than performed - which is very understandable. Saying no when you are under lots of pressure to say yes can feel like a personal success sometimes.
As you said it is true that success is a personal feeling. It should not be measured either materially (in terms of wealth) or externally (in terms of what other people think) which is often difficult in a world full of ratings and comparisons.
This was a good discussion because it illustrates that failure and success are not always as opposite as they appear. Thank you Jenny and Justin - it was good watching you talk on this topic. 👍
Some really good points you have made. Comparison is such a good way to look at 'failure' Compared who and what? and is it just a judgement of ones self?
I agree. I grew up as a dancer living in New York City. I was starving and living with two other dancers, getting rejected left and right, but those were probably my most fun days. Fortunately, I don’t think, even at that young age, I took it to heart. It helps to have that attitude, I suppose. I definitely did not feel like a failure! But I think it is good to fail, it makes you enjoy the times you succeed.
Keep reinventing yourself. You are brilliant at that. ❤
Listening to you two is always enlightening, you always give me stuff to think about!
Well, we're all a failure at something or other!
Hopefully, the opposite is also true 🙂
@@MariaFrancesca I hope so! 😆
I have a friend who had a minor domestic hit in the 1980s. He still works on the periphery of the entertainment industry and reckons he's got another hit in him. Not sure if this counts as failure but I admire his tenacity.
That obituary slowly we rot tee shirt is badass. I went to the marquee club in 1990 i think and saw them. Great shirt sir
Confirmation Bias and Speed of the Nite Time was something I never expected from The Darkness. Yet, it's some of my absolute favourites for such good reason.
I had a band for 8 years and was convinced we would make it .. I was so focused on this goal that was never achieved I forgot to enjoy the process of touring, recording,shooting videos whilst doing all the mundane stuff like booking venues,advertising , flyers and all whilst paying for mortgage and raising a family.
Only after all of this did I realise the fun is in the journey not the destination .
🎉@danblameless 🎉
Come on. Plug yer band. We'll all have a retrospective.
@@ComeOnLets i have a fewtracks on my page
I paused this and watched The Masked Singer. Wow! 🤯 Such a beautiful voice. Anyway, im back now.
As an artist I find that whenever I’m not creating something is when I’m failing because I’m wasting time not creating, rather than when I make something that I feel isn’t good enough. That’s where I put too much pressure on myself.
Same
I’ve been feeling frustrated about two pieces I’ve been working on for several years. I haven’t been happy with the results, and keep trying to re-work them so that I’m happy with them. That makes me feel like a failure, even though the client of one of them liked the original design. Sadly, the clasp failed, and I’m still trying to figure out how to finish the redesign to my standards.
@@nsnzmy sympathies, it’s tough. How do you deal with it?
@@SuziQ.I hear you on that one.. maybe not all creations are meant to be finished ones 🤔 I’ve started loads I’m not happy sharing with anyone else because I’m not happy with how it turned out. Kind of tragic that it’s almost a wasted opportunity in itself.
this was the best one so far
"It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." Cpt.J.L. Picard/Star Trek/TNG
Thank you for this, feeling like so many areas of my life are failing, this has been a lift. Many thankings bestowed upon you both
A great discussion, thank you.
I like to think that a person cant really be a "failure" how people usually use the word, because to gain success, whatever that word means to you, you're going to fail many times on that journey. You can only reach your version of success if you learn from the failures you experience and use that knowledge to better yourself. You're only a failure if you don't even try.
Oh and your intro song is very good, perhaps the best on TH-cam. I’ve been singing it everywhere for 2 weeks straight. My dad was like what’s wrong with you? You should write jingles for commercials. Just in time for dinner again…… agaaaaaain…… then zooms in on a delicious dish
I did!
@@JustinHawkinsRidesAgain oh.. cool 😎
"I’ve missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I’ve lost almost 300 games. Twenty-six times I’ve been trusted to take the game-winning shot and missed. I’ve failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed." - Michael Jordan
Speed of the Nite Time is ace 🖤
SO EXCITED!! Tickets go on sale for your Melbourne show in 1 day, 12 hours, 33minutes and 35 seconds. Can't F*&king Wait!!! 🤩🤩🤩🤩
Justin, love your hair in this video intro! You look great...
Our new kitten will not stop jumping on the bloody counter, its very distracting, will need to watch again!
Musical success is surely tuning into the zeitgeist of the time. The collision of societal timeframes and a band accidentally taking up the mantle and riding the success. Success soon passes by (record label unit shifting) but the musical standards aren’t compromised.
Success is not compromising artistically. Failure is compromising and selling out for success. Losing personal identity is tantamount to selling out.
Great discussion. You were a lot younger on the 2nd record. You learned to collaborate as you grew.
A million is not a failure
Minidisc between CD and MP3. Super format. Still use mine today. Been buying up discs and players over the years for future security.
I've come to enjoy these talks a lot. Also some kind of successs, isn't it?
Yes,Stefan Raab was a big thing in German TV in the early 2000s, and he was also the man behind Lena Mayer-Landrut winning the Eurovision for Germany. Some years ago, he just stopped all his public activities. No idea what he is doing these days, but he sure knew how to stop.
I think Justin looks brilliant without the moustache and longer hair ❤
The best advice I ever received was from a colleague of mine. His edict was, "Never do business with anyone who hasn't had their ass kicked before." its a funny way of making the point. I don't think I could trust someone who's never failed (in their eyes, especially). I tend to think of them as those who lie to themselves, which has no payoff in the end, whether it be; financial, fame, popularity, respect, love (of sorts), they never get to that. They are busy assuring they do not fail in anyone's eyes.
Failure is a pretty great underrated band. The Power of Failing is a great Mineral album though Endserenading is their best.
Funny thing- One Way Ticket was my first Darkness album and I thought it was phenomenal. Had no idea it was considered a "flop." As an American, I don't quite get Eurovision, but bummer it was such a negative experience...also, I am not ashamed to admit that I also watch these to check out Jenny May's lovely manicure. She always has the coolest nails.
I’ve been transfixed by Jenny’s manicure for over 40 minutes now. 😂
God I LOOOOVE putting great tunes on repeat 🤩
Maybe success isn't correlated with failure. It could be two separate meters, not one. We talk about people failing into success a lot. And often success comes with many failures.
You might be a failure sir, but at least you have an obituary shirt. That's something!
Next time he'll have a Carcass t-shirt!
Jerome Grable! He’s no longer in the business, sadly.
I’m apart of it arent I? I donno… what are you doing? I’m laughing so loud. You’re naturally hilarious.
The successful people of sport who have been my role models are publicly respected, so when this doesn’t happen with others it usually rings a bell to me. We are examples in all moments of our lives and responsible of our own choices.
I think every day that a person survives and does the best he/she/they can is a success.
You always wear the coolest gear 🔥🔥🔥🔥
If you have managed to blag through life doing what you want, and making a career for yourself out of it, then you definitely haven't failed.
I consider myself a failed musician in as much as I never made a career out of it ( did sign the record contract though, but that's a whole other story! ), but then I have made a career out of doing other stuff, so didn't fail there.
The Producers (movie) a musical that is designed to be a failure that is instead a success.
Forgot to mention that Speed of nite time is my favourite song of the last album!
It's a great song, it stands out, different, in the best of ways. Love the lyrics, too.
Mine too! 😁
A mistake is an experience, choice or concept we must have or make to evolve beyond it. Errors can be the launchpad of great ideas. Jenny is like your shrink Justin and I do like these in-depth meaning-of-life chats. Too much trivial crap out there, good to have something of substance to really get your teeth into and I'm not just saying that because I'm a Dubliner like Jenny.
I have looked for your Eurovision show on TH-cam, i am not a fan of this contest but i had got curiosity after listen how you felt about your participation on it.
And you maybe felt like a failure because it is a contest, but the song is very cool and you are a brave artist who is able to move from your confort zone. I liked it the song!
@@MariaFrancesca th-cam.com/video/_GDKkNERZJc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=kpBbX33vfCvI5pXi
@@raquelsnt Thanks!! 🙂 Felt bad for asking, but... also curious.
@@MariaFrancesca why did u felt bad for asking? It is a subject that they talk in the podcast.
@@raquelsnt I don't know... I suddenly just felt... nosy 😅
@@raquelsnt Okay, I watched. Eurovision music usually not my thing, but, damn, their voices sounded great together!
Celebrating failure...? I didn't know I had SO much to celebrate 😅
Wow I can't believe how many ads I had to watch to get through this good job I like you Justin 😂😂
I was at the Riverside Ca show April 2016. There was like 25 peeps there and it was one of the greatest live performances I’ve ever seen in my life. Even caught the guit pick 🥳
Bro you are not a failure, I loveeee your band "The Darkness" i still jam to those songs
Both of you ... your hair looks amazing!
I'd recommend the books by Neil Peart about his life, they give interesting views on much of what you talk about in this session
You have to fail sometimes to succeed ❤
Jenny!! I would be the periphery of your life ❤
Watched your content since you did the Rick Astley Glastonbury reaction. To be fair I'm very impressed with your knowledge and observations and have been watching you since. And to be absolutely honest my blinkered opinion I had of you in the past has been totally changed. Keep up the good work fella...❤
Sorry.. but very sceptical. If this WAS a genuine thing then apologies but I'm never going to give any financial information online ..EVER..
You have to admire someone like Rush, who following a commercially less successful third album and on the verge of failure, threw caution to the wind and, contrary to record company desires and expectations, came up with brilliant 2112. The ultimate sh*t or bust scenario!
I love that album.
I wish you weren’t so down on One Way Ticket… I appreciate you have your reasons, but that record (still) beats Permission for me… the wit in the lyrics makes me piss and au contrare - the melodies are BRILLIANT - it feels far more creative in its songwriting, production and musicality than anything I can think of that you’ve collaborated on! Wall to wall bangers… to the point I take umbridge when you poo-poo it. It’s fucking ace. How can you dismiss lyrics like Bald, Dinner Lady Arms and One Way Ticket itself? You menatalist. :D
25:26 the mask singer was great you were great as the chameleon.
it would have been fun to see you longer, but the judges, especially the female judges, and Rita Ora in particular was litterly drooling over your physique, to the point she could not stop blushing.
Everyone was impressed and focused on how 🔥🔥🔥🔥 you looked in your tight costume, even Jonathan Ross made comments.
Everyone was so taken by your looks & swagger , that they did not focus on your singing. Also what was interesting was, that most guesses were that you were a black athlete/ actor.
I thought it was a very successful performance 👏👏👏
One often has to fail in order to succeed - try, something goes wrong, learn, try again, hopefully succeed or try again. Failure is such a harsh word, there are mostly many components playing an important role as well, which might hinder the road to success. So I consider failure to be only the empty half of the glass that is half full.
I woke up at 6:00 am…put my ear buds in, and cranked #DefLeppard all the way up !! 🎶
You might like to know, this is turning into my favourite TH-cam thing to listen to. Well this and Paris Monster 😊
This whole conversation reminds me of the novel 'Espedair Street' by Iain Banks. I feel like you guys would enjoy it.
My favourite book
Interesting topic. Makes me contemplate my own failures and success. On balance I have little regret on my failures, as not trying would be so much worse.
Question for Justin!
How do you think classic bands like Queen would have done if they started in the modern internet age?
Follow Queen, Brian May and Roger Taylor and see how they're doing it today
I have a feeling that Freddie wouldn’t like social media as he was a private man. He didn’t like doing interviews and today, you have to be careful what you say. Could you imagine him doing the song “ Fat bottom girl” lol
@@lynnpatenaude5548 it's possible being privat and use social media, as the most of artists use their accounts to share only the things that they want to be public stuff.
As well the rest of us.
@@raquelsnt did with it! Lol
I LOVE Speed of the Nite Time ❤ Interesting episode as always!
Really is a put-it-on-repeat-song, isn't it? 🙂
@@MariaFrancesca Yes, it is. 😁
If you are a failure, I'm effin' hopeless. Thanks... Paul
Being a One-Hit Wonder is a double-edged sword... on the one hand it gives you something to be recognized, claim to fame, but it also inhibits your ability to move on creatively and can be both pays the bills but you feel personally unfulfilled. And that is used as an insult because although you got your money, you are sorta miserable to not be able to enjoy the accolades and notoriety
So excited you're coming back to Australia, finally i can afford it!
Good episode! I loved it as a person who always have failed in every goal which i have marked myself 😂
But i don't like the success culture which implies the failure feeling. Few years ago i had an interesting conversation with a psychologist friend and he thought that this kind of culture is attached to the consumption culture and individualism, the society that we live and he said is ill and make us be ill.
very true..
I'm 48 & I am a Recovering Feminist. However, I support equality in equal opportunities. I found my comfort & wanted to be at HOME. I travelled & went to uni in London & I think most women feel this way too. Hence why they raise children & look after the home. Women in their teens & 20's have been brainwashed by the Rockfella Industrial Military Complex. The birth rate is dropping & the family as a unit is suffering.
Justin, why isn’t the Permission to Land tour doing the Arenas in the UK and Ireland? The album went 4 times platinum and you played to hundreds of thousands of people on the 03/04 tour that loved that show! Remind the people of that! 20 years is perfect timeframe for nostalgia. Get the marketing team out and get The Darkness back in the arenas where they belong!
I think they’re playing a large venue in LA. I don’t like the big arena shows as much as the smaller theater type shows. I’ll still go to a larger venue if I really love the band/s, but watching them on the monitors is a bummer compared to seeing the entire stage. I don’t think the venue size should be a measure of the value of a band to their fans. I got to see Mammoth WVH at a House of Blues, and was bummed that their next concert was at an arena. They are playing the local HOB again, and I’m so relieved and excited about the more intimate experience of the smaller venue.