I am enjoying the press and enjoy your channel . Well 2023 summer is past and no bullet feeder, do you have any information on this. I'm kind of annoyed because it was priced so correctly. I only load 9mm on this press and I do go through hundreds of round per week. I have emailed FA and no response. I can get around it but its wrong not to give accurate information on products that are featured on a item that you buy or are intending to purchase . I just finished a 30 + hour print on my 3D printer and I own a PM lathe and Mill + . But what a bout the other guys. Are they really going to go to double alpha and spend $550 bucks on a $175 feeder item? Frankfort needs to pull up there pants , there rear end is sticking out. Cant rely on them in this area. Shame because the press is no doubt a good value and works just fine. Tune it find your rhythm and there are no problems. Use some of that ultimate reloader juice and make an inquiry for us guys that follow your channel please. It would be great to know what's going on with FA. Lastly we all know Trump Won
As long as they can actually keep it available unlike every other product launch since Covid, and it actually is around $1000 and it’s the quality they stayed this could be a game changer
I’d pay it if the thing will seat primers to proper depth and doesn’t experience a stoppage 20% of the time like Hornady LnL does. I’ve yet to see a case feeder that was reliable and that itself didn’t cost as much as another press.
Looks like a cool product. It would have been nice to see some close ups of each station that you talked about from the reloader’s perspective. Perhaps when you get yours?
Like what? I love my RL1100 and this doesn't look like it has anything better then that. Shell plate wiggle is still there, tool head looks cheap, case feeder may work ok. I'll keep my money in THE USA.
@@joshuabaker5712 Like drawing the primer back into the primer pocket. They have added an extra station to prevent that kaboom. If you load enough ammo it will happen. And yes I polish my de-priming pins.
It will never happen. Dillon is the undisputed king of progressives in the U.S. and they have the market share and reputation for customer service to match. I think Mr. Potterfield should try to get some reloading components to actually sell....first.
@@TacticalJackalope Dillon might be the most renowned, but I don't agree that they are the undisputed king. I don't want to ruffle any fanboy feathers, that's not my intent, but I have owned and used every readily available progressive on the market, and every one of them has issues... usually at the priming stage. Dillon is no exception, though admittedly their priming stage is slightly less problematic than others, but it's not really better than the priming system on my Hornady or RCBS progressives. My Dillon very well built, just not the be all, end all. Especially for the price, which I will get back to. I honestly believe that (after loading well over half million cartridges using all major brands of progressive), if you take the priming stage out of the equation (hand prime), all brands are basically equal on speed and precision. For longevity, the Dillon, Hornady and RCBS are equals, with the LEE Loadmaster wearing out at around 50k rounds. Dillon DOES have superb customer service, with LEE being the next best. I am always impressed with LEE for innovation and customer service... too bad their stuff is all plastic. But it helps folks on a budget get into reloading. So... price. I tend to buy all the accoutrements for my presses. I could buy a new Tesla for what I have tied up in reloading equipment. But it happened over time (about 25 years) so it didn't sting like dropping $2500 on a new system, which is about what I have in my Dillon XL650, which I bought over 10 years ago and it cost more than the XL750 now. If I had to try something new that cost about as much, I like the looks of the Mark 7. For $3k, it looks like a very well built machine.
This is amazing and it’s nice to know that things are always changing and always something well I hope when this comes out You can get components in order to reload
That's a lot of value for the money with the quality of design and materials that was put into it 👌👍. I've always been a single stage press guy since the 90's, now I'm seriously considering going progressive with that press system. Even I noticed how well the leverage geometry was done by the ease of operation before you even mentioned it.
Wow , That is an incredible press and value for $1200.00 ish. This will make a 10 station progressive, a easily attainable machine, for the average reloader. Nice job showing all the parts and how it works Gavin! This is the 1st Frankford Arsenal press I would buy. I wish they would fix the 3 major problems with their single stage press, but they don't seem to be able to get the Chinese manufacturer to do that, or they don't care. Regardless, I would wait a year to see what problems develop with this and see if they bother to fix them, I am sorry to say.
Thank you both I learned something today. I really appreciate it at 11:27. You talked about rifle and pistol and the powder throw love it constantly learning thank you both
You are so lucky Gavin getting to try & test out new equipment, but I see why the manufacturers come to introduce their new products on your channel first. This press looks robust but might be a little difficult to adjust until you get past the learning curve. I think it will do well depending on the street price it commands when it hits the market in 2022. I look forward to seeing one in person and getting my hands on it. To me the Dillon Precision machines look like they have a smoother crank stroke than the Frankford FX-10 does.
My Mark 7 Apex 10 for the win! Yeah... it’s $3k and it’s worth every penny! Made in America, Lyman in Connecticut, and Mark 7 in Florida. Can get a call back from customer support in the same day if needed.
It looks like the post for the bullet feeder is a visual obstruction to bullet feeding. I noticed that you had to look around the post when you were loading the bullet in 9mm. I own a Dillion RL1050 and the posts is not obstructing my view of the bullet loading station. The 10 stations is a great feature and I like the machine and am thinking of getting one once they come out and a few pioneers have run them for while. "You can always tell the PIONEERs by the arrows in their back."
This press looks so well thought out it's amazing. Has room to load and have enough stations for senors and powder check dies. May be the one i finally get when I have the cash saved.
What is causing the press to hesitate on the up stroke of the handle? There's a spot where it's very obviously hesitating and requiring much more force to complete the stroke.
It almost seems like there is too much space between the shell plate and the tool head. When both Gavin and the FA guy run the press, they seem to be stretching to cycle the handle to the bottom.
Exactly. It’s almost 180 degree. So problematic to operate this either sitting or standing. And I’m not sure if they were sizing brass in one step or what, as it seems like it stucked every time for a while.
Hi Gavin, looks like a really nice press! I have north of ten grand in reloading equipment. But it's all gathering dust because I can't find any primers. I've tried the "notify me" route but they sell out before I can place an order. Any idea when the primer supply will return or where I might find them? Good luck to Frankford and thank you very much for all of the great videos! Shalom/gw
looks like a nice machine. only reservations i have is product support. with a machine like this i want the company to be around and support it for at least 10 years. i don't want to buy this and 5 years later something breaks and i can't get parts for it
Some great concepts in engineering here, but "Made in China" a deal breaker these days... while it may not be totally unavoidable, I now try and stay with domestics products the best I can. My big Blue may have it's faults, but I've successfully loaded many hundreds of thousands of quality rounds on it, and it's made right here at home.
Amen Frank! I wont buy FA products. When they break, they can`t seem to take care of the customer very well. Probably because all the REPAIR parts are sitting in CHINA!
I use the closed bolt method, but I also paint the projectile to see the marks where the lands are touching on the bullet. Then I set up my seating die using this patterned cartridge, and then give the die an additional 1/8th of a turn to seat the bullet just that little bit deeper to just before touching the lands.
The amount of throw on that lever looks like it's at least 160 degrees? Don't know if it's just the camera angle but that is a lot of handle movement to cycle that press?
I imagine they are planning on using a bullet feeder but it would be nice for the bullet tray to be mounted up closer to where they would be loaded. I am sure this is still a pre production unit. Seems like a great press can’t wait for the release. Thanks for the demo
I’ll buy one when they come out. But, don’t think the ten stations are being efficiently used. With ten stations loading pistol I want to powder check, bullet drop, bullet seat, and crimp all in separate stations. Couldn’t tell from the video what was going on there, definitively. Why is the 1st station not also a de-prime and size as well as a case feed? All this will probably make sense once I get my hands on one. Have a lot of FA reloading tools. Looking forward to this one.
So as someone who ones and uses a Dillon RL1100 I have a few observations. Tool head flex and it looks like they took a cast piece, cut holes in it and welded inserts in for the die threading? Shell plate wiggles a lot. Loading 9 major will not be smooth with it at all. Why no video of the case feeder working? We have all seen the disaster that Hornaday had with theirs. Lack of ability to just pull a case at the priming station with out taking something off. A couple things I do like is the primer feed setup where you can just pull it all off without removing any primers. 10 stations is always nice. But for me I think it's a no.
This video led me to a couple questions. First, does the projected price come with the a caliber conversion? Also, what is the cost of additional caliber conversions? I am extremely interested in this product as I’m sure many will be. I look forward to more information on this system. Thank you for sharing this!!
Where is this piece of equipment made? I have owned various different Frankford Arsenal reloading tools, and getting service for them is next to Impossible. I've tried to get replacement cutting heads for two of their newer style trimmers. I was actually told by one of their phone Personnel to purchase an RCBS cutting head and that it will fit. On the other trimmer I couldn't get anything to replace the cutting head on it. I think I would rather spend more money and buy big blue, and at least I can get parts and service done without a problem. Just my honesty about a company I have dealt with many times before. Echo
Very interesting! It is a very nice press. One minor negative may be having to reach around the case feeder stand to manually place the bullet on the cartridge.
Seems like you were having to look around the brass feed tube to set pistol bullets on the seating station. Just an initial impression watching you load the 9mm. Did that seem ergonomic? I'm envisioning twisting to look around that brass feed system for thousands of rounds.
So is there a preorder date possibly? And what dies do u need to use with this machine and will be able to purchase everything from them to set the whole machine up and Also have a TH-cam page on setting everything up step by step?
Let's not get ahead of ourselves fellas, it is a FA, dont start throwing shade at Dillon till you've actually had one and ran it for yourself. Looked like to me there was some torqueing of the tool head while they were running 223 and it looks like it's got a hanging point on the upstroke as well. May have something to do with the amount of leverage they have in the cam of the press, maybe not.. This could still end up being a nice press after they get the bugs worked out..
Upstroke hang up was probably the expander ball coming back thru. I didn't see any weird torquing on the tool head. I'm interested, but I want to see for info. I wanted the RCBS 7 station to not suck. That didn't happen, so I didn't buy one.
@@CorwinBos I know what your saying about the expander ball, but on presses with a good cam you don't notice that when they are being run, it's a smooth operation. It's not like I seen Gavin do it once, every time he pulled the handle he had that same hesitation... This may very well turn out to be a good press, time will be the deciding factor..
It would cost ~$900 to convert my LNL-AP to ammo factory status. With the X10, it's only a few hundred more. Nice! Does it come with one set of dies? I don't see dies on the website.🙁
So... a grand or so. How about calibur conversions? What besides the shell plate, powder components, case feed parts? If you load 9, 38, 40, 45, 223 and 6.5 creedmoor..... what are we looking at? Does it come with a lifetime no BS warranty? Asking for a friend....
Very cool concept but those shell plates can't be cheap. It will also be interesting if you can buy extra tool heads so you could have one for each caliber already setup and ready for common ammo you reload in large quantities. I could see comp shooters having one setup for 9mm and 223 for their favorite loads and just swap out.
WOW... I like it.. The change over looks strange, but, I suppose, once you are used to doing it, just another normal day in loading. I would imagine they offer shelving units or racking that holds pre-set heads so one doesn't need to lay them on their sides.. Really nice looking units.
I feel this is a good value for the money my concern is availability once it comes out Frankford needs to maintain this machine and dies in stock if not it’s a three year waste of time. Too many options out there to wait for a company back flow which is my biggest issue with Dillon been waiting for two sets of dies for 8 months ridiculous.
I noticed that on the handle upstroke the press looked a little sticky. Is it the same old Dillon problem when the case sticks in the powder throw on the way out? If this press works at the price it will be a big hit
I’m sure I haven’t loaded as much as some, but I really haven’t encountered most of the problems mentioned in this video. I feel this press is solving a problem that doesn’t exist
Sad to see it slip into 2022, but that gives me a few more months to save up…and convince the Mrs that I really DO need a 4th press. Looks like I’ll need to mod my reloading bench to allow for a puka for spent primers.
Funny all the value added details that were mention will overcome all the issues I have with my Hornady LNL progressive that I hate so much... Yup I am getting one....
Are the die stations a quick change so you can have them set for caliber changes or do you have to reset everything every time you change calibers? Also will it do .270 win and .338 win mag?
I remember seeing a case trimmer on a Dillon press. Does Frankford have a case trimmer that can go on this press and if so will it be a triway trimmer or just use an end mill. I’ve been looking at buying a progressive press and this finally looks like it has everything that I’ve been looking for and is affordable. Thanks
Any more info or brief explanation of the proprietary Pistol "Bullet Shovel" would be nice :) I'm imagining something along the lines of.. No big bullet collator necessary, just grab a hand full of pistol bullets and throw them in a "shovel" style hopper? I also assume it comes with both small and large swage rods? I'm pretty darn excited for this! I saved up for a Mark7, but since you first broke the news of this I'm holding off for now :) Auto-Drive on a 10 Station would be rad!
I really like this press. Even more after stating that there will be both pistol and rifle bullet feeders. One note I'd like to throw in is I would really like to see a primer pocket cleaner built in to the second station. If you've ever had a dirty pocket that caused a pass thru gass between primer and pocket wall enough to scorch and etch your bolt head you will understand why I'm saying this. It just doesn't happen very often ( 1 in a billion ) maybe, (1 in a million )but once is enough. I speak from experience. This is why I never de-prime /prime on press in one operation.
They said beginning of 2022 now they are saying end of 2022. I don’t even think it will be at the end of this year. I got that vibe from talking to one of their guys at their booth at Shot Show last week. I hope I am wrong.
Looks like a great machine, but why the clunky rotary powder measure with the Rube Goldberg linkage. These things were never meant to installed on progressive machine. I replaced all my rotary clunkers with Dillon measures (minus the lawyer linkage) a long time ago.
Can you use LNL bushings on it? It looks like it would be close to too thick to run them. The dies look set low already. How much are the shell-plates?
primer drawback is a thing? i've reloaded maybe 50,000 cartridges on my hornady l&l progressive and never had that happen. is it a problem with other presses?
I like it, I like the price, but it does seem like a bit of a contraption. If you run this, you should only probably run one caliber, i would think. The tear-down looks way more complicated than other machines.
Would be interessting to see this in work. How smooth and reliable it works in a longer use. How expensive are the toolheads and the hopper etc.? The quality overall. Hope they use quality components for this press and can offer a good service and parts availability over at least 10 to 20 years, if parts break and need to be replaced. Othereise the press would be useless, unless you have a machineshop and make yor own spareparts. Press produced in????
Not going to happen. Unless someone makes a dedicated pistol only press. The tool head or shell plate needs to have enough stoke to load common rifle rounds.
Thanks for a great presentation :) I have a question that you didn't get into but perhaps you know the answer... What is the largest suitable rifle caliber for this press. Will .308, 30-06 or 6,5x55 be possible? Looks like the hight is there. Will FA make conversion kits for these calibers I mentioned?
Why does the head rock so much at the end of the down stroke. noticed it while hes doing the first few loads but its very apparent at 0:38 . at 0.25x speed slowmo. you can see the die toolhead tilting towards him. Doesn't seem very rigid even tho he put that dead die to balance it out. thats way more than a few thou
If prices ever get back to normal I’m still thinking a $450 Hornady lnlap is the way to go. If they stripped this down to the basics and cut the price it would be a harder choice
Quick note: The final press will operate a lot faster than what we showed with this pre-production machine (did not have all final parts!).
How does it compare to the RL 1100? It does look like it has flex in the tool head. Seriously considering this for brass prep and loading 223.
What parts specifically?
How did you like the press I am looking to buy one. Also what does do you recommend for each cal. If you could do a video on dies per cal.
I am enjoying the press and enjoy your channel .
Well 2023 summer is past and no bullet feeder, do you have any information on this. I'm kind of annoyed because it was priced so correctly. I only load 9mm on this press and I do go through hundreds of round per week. I have emailed FA and no response. I can get around it but its wrong not to give accurate information on products that are featured on a item that you buy or are intending to purchase .
I just finished a 30 + hour print on my 3D printer and I own a PM lathe and Mill + . But what a bout the other guys. Are they really going to go to double alpha and spend $550 bucks on a $175 feeder item? Frankfort needs to pull up there pants , there rear end is sticking out. Cant rely on them in this area. Shame because the press is no doubt a good value and works just fine. Tune it find your rhythm and there are no problems.
Use some of that ultimate reloader juice and make an inquiry for us guys that follow your channel please. It would be great to know what's going on with FA.
Lastly we all know Trump Won
As long as they can actually keep it available unlike every other product launch since Covid, and it actually is around $1000 and it’s the quality they stayed this could be a game changer
It will NOT be $1000!!!
@@chrisgilbert2152 bet it will be around $1200 which for a ok 10 station progressive press isn't bad.
@@chrisgilbert2152 Nope, $1,099.99 per their website....
I’d pay it if the thing will seat primers to proper depth and doesn’t experience a stoppage 20% of the time like Hornady LnL does.
I’ve yet to see a case feeder that was reliable and that itself didn’t cost as much as another press.
Looks like a cool product. It would have been nice to see some close ups of each station that you talked about from the reloader’s perspective.
Perhaps when you get yours?
Looked like the head flexes a lot in the closeup shot of it working.
I've loaded on Dillon 1050's for years and this Engineer addressed every single bug I've had with my presses. I'm going to get one!!!
Like what? I love my RL1100 and this doesn't look like it has anything better then that. Shell plate wiggle is still there, tool head looks cheap, case feeder may work ok. I'll keep my money in THE USA.
@@joshuabaker5712 Like drawing the primer back into the primer pocket. They have added an extra station to prevent that kaboom. If you load enough ammo it will happen. And yes I polish my de-priming pins.
Been awaiting this press since Frankfort Arsenal announced its coming.. THANK YOU for this look at the machine
this is gonna take over the market if it stays at the price they say this will blow all the others out of the water for that price.
my thoughts exactly especially if the quality is right up there with the others
It will never happen. Dillon is the undisputed king of progressives in the U.S. and they have the market share and reputation for customer service to match. I think Mr. Potterfield should try to get some reloading components to actually sell....first.
Not a chance. Dillon press looks way better and has HUGE product support already.
It won't... Product will have lots of issues and FA will not satisfy customers like RCBS, Dillon. Hornady etc...
@@TacticalJackalope Dillon might be the most renowned, but I don't agree that they are the undisputed king. I don't want to ruffle any fanboy feathers, that's not my intent, but I have owned and used every readily available progressive on the market, and every one of them has issues... usually at the priming stage. Dillon is no exception, though admittedly their priming stage is slightly less problematic than others, but it's not really better than the priming system on my Hornady or RCBS progressives. My Dillon very well built, just not the be all, end all. Especially for the price, which I will get back to.
I honestly believe that (after loading well over half million cartridges using all major brands of progressive), if you take the priming stage out of the equation (hand prime), all brands are basically equal on speed and precision. For longevity, the Dillon, Hornady and RCBS are equals, with the LEE Loadmaster wearing out at around 50k rounds.
Dillon DOES have superb customer service, with LEE being the next best. I am always impressed with LEE for innovation and customer service... too bad their stuff is all plastic. But it helps folks on a budget get into reloading.
So... price. I tend to buy all the accoutrements for my presses. I could buy a new Tesla for what I have tied up in reloading equipment. But it happened over time (about 25 years) so it didn't sting like dropping $2500 on a new system, which is about what I have in my Dillon XL650, which I bought over 10 years ago and it cost more than the XL750 now. If I had to try something new that cost about as much, I like the looks of the Mark 7. For $3k, it looks like a very well built machine.
I’d like to add one of these next to my Dillon. I’d give it a year after release to see if there are any problems and any updates to those issues.
I look forward to this press. Daddy needs an upgrade!
Thanks again Gavin.
This is amazing and it’s nice to know that things are always changing and always something well I hope when this comes out You can get components in order to reload
Should of done some powder charge tests to see how consistently it throws.
I was in Columbia today myself. Cool that you were in my home state.
Just saw this video, and excited - I checked the web site and as of early March - still showing as "Coming soon"
very impressive machine, the safety systems and features seem very well thought out, great sneak peek
That's a lot of value for the money with the quality of design and materials that was put into it 👌👍. I've always been a single stage press guy since the 90's, now I'm seriously considering going progressive with that press system. Even I noticed how well the leverage geometry was done by the ease of operation before you even mentioned it.
Wow , That is an incredible press and value for $1200.00 ish. This will make a 10 station progressive, a easily attainable machine, for the average reloader. Nice job showing all the parts and how it works Gavin! This is the 1st Frankford Arsenal press I would buy. I wish they would fix the 3 major problems with their single stage press, but they don't seem to be able to get the Chinese manufacturer to do that, or they don't care. Regardless, I would wait a year to see what problems develop with this and see if they bother to fix them, I am sorry to say.
Thank you both I learned something today. I really appreciate it at 11:27. You talked about rifle and pistol and the powder throw love it constantly learning thank you both
Interesting combination of features. I am concerned with the slight rocking movement of the toolhead loading 9mm at 20:02 in the video.
You are right. The tool head rocks all over the place in the video.
My thoughts exaclty.
As long as the people who worked on the electronic powder dispenser didn't touch this program, it might be a good product.
You are so lucky Gavin getting to try & test out new equipment, but I see why the manufacturers come to introduce their new products on your channel first. This press looks robust but might be a little difficult to adjust until you get past the learning curve. I think it will do well depending on the street price it commands when it hits the market in 2022. I look forward to seeing one in person and getting my hands on it. To me the Dillon Precision machines look like they have a smoother crank stroke than the Frankford FX-10 does.
My Mark 7 Apex 10 for the win! Yeah... it’s $3k and it’s worth every penny! Made in America, Lyman in Connecticut, and Mark 7 in Florida. Can get a call back from customer support in the same day if needed.
It looks like the post for the bullet feeder is a visual obstruction to bullet feeding. I noticed that you had to look around the post when you were loading the bullet in 9mm. I own a Dillion RL1050 and the posts is not obstructing my view of the bullet loading station. The 10 stations is a great feature and I like the machine and am thinking of getting one once they come out and a few pioneers have run them for while. "You can always tell the PIONEERs by the arrows in their back."
This press looks so well thought out it's amazing. Has room to load and have enough stations for senors and powder check dies.
May be the one i finally get when I have the cash saved.
You was in my backyard!! Only 30 min from Columbia.
Yep been waiting for this ... I will be buying this press when released 😉👍 ... thanks Gavin and FA for sharing this video 👊👍
What is causing the press to hesitate on the up stroke of the handle? There's a spot where it's very obviously hesitating and requiring much more force to complete the stroke.
Totally awesome!!! Any chance that this press will end up being included on the Progressive Press Shootout when ever that video drops???😁😁😁
It almost seems like there is too much space between the shell plate and the tool head. When both Gavin and the FA guy run the press, they seem to be stretching to cycle the handle to the bottom.
Exactly. It’s almost 180 degree. So problematic to operate this either sitting or standing. And I’m not sure if they were sizing brass in one step or what, as it seems like it stucked every time for a while.
Hi Gavin, looks like a really nice press! I have north of ten grand in reloading equipment. But it's all gathering dust because I can't find any primers. I've tried the "notify me" route but they sell out before I can place an order. Any idea when the primer supply will return or where I might find them? Good luck to Frankford and thank you very much for all of the great videos! Shalom/gw
Try zincpoint, a little expensive but better than nothing.
Been waiting on this review from you!
At Frankford Arsenal website the MSRP is about 1.099..... it is a great price point.... can´t wait for them to be available.
looks like a nice machine. only reservations i have is product support. with a machine like this i want the company to be around and support it for at least 10 years. i don't want to buy this and 5 years later something breaks and i can't get parts for it
I really like the shell plate bearing. It looks like it runs real smooth. No powder jumping out of the case. As you index. Nice
@20:05 looks like shellplate still snaps
Now all we need are PRIMERS.
Some great concepts in engineering here, but "Made in China" a deal breaker these days... while it may not be totally unavoidable, I now try and stay with domestics products the best I can. My big Blue may have it's faults, but I've successfully loaded many hundreds of thousands of quality rounds on it, and it's made right here at home.
Amen Frank!
I wont buy FA products. When they break, they can`t seem to take care of the customer very well. Probably because all the REPAIR parts are sitting in CHINA!
I bet they don't have a domestic market for this in China!
I agree, pretty much the only made in china product i own these days is my iphone. Why would I give an authoritarian communist government my money?
I broke a spring on my FA swager… they sent me a new one, no questions asked…
Agreed. Support American companies buy American.
This like a processing press and a reloader all in one. Bringing the heat FA.
I use the closed bolt method, but I also paint the projectile to see the marks where the lands are touching on the bullet. Then I set up my seating die using this patterned cartridge, and then give the die an additional 1/8th of a turn to seat the bullet just that little bit deeper to just before touching the lands.
Really liked this video! I think this might be my new pistol press! The price is good for me and it looked very smooth in operation.
The amount of throw on that lever looks like it's at least 160 degrees? Don't know if it's just the camera angle but that is a lot of handle movement to cycle that press?
When I saw that I'm thinking "I'd be cutting some off that handle."
I imagine they are planning on using a bullet feeder but it would be nice for the bullet tray to be mounted up closer to where they would be loaded. I am sure this is still a pre production unit. Seems like a great press can’t wait for the release. Thanks for the demo
I’ll buy one when they come out.
But, don’t think the ten stations are being efficiently used. With ten stations loading pistol I want to powder check, bullet drop, bullet seat, and crimp all in separate stations. Couldn’t tell from the video what was going on there, definitively.
Why is the 1st station not also a de-prime and size as well as a case feed?
All this will probably make sense once I get my hands on one.
Have a lot of FA reloading tools. Looking forward to this one.
I think most will decap before washing brass specially those like me who use stainless media because it will be in the primers getting tossed.
So as someone who ones and uses a Dillon RL1100 I have a few observations. Tool head flex and it looks like they took a cast piece, cut holes in it and welded inserts in for the die threading? Shell plate wiggles a lot. Loading 9 major will not be smooth with it at all. Why no video of the case feeder working? We have all seen the disaster that Hornaday had with theirs. Lack of ability to just pull a case at the priming station with out taking something off.
A couple things I do like is the primer feed setup where you can just pull it all off without removing any primers. 10 stations is always nice.
But for me I think it's a no.
This video led me to a couple questions. First, does the projected price come with the a caliber conversion? Also, what is the cost of additional caliber conversions? I am extremely interested in this product as I’m sure many will be. I look forward to more information on this system. Thank you for sharing this!!
Where is this piece of equipment made? I have owned various different Frankford Arsenal reloading tools, and getting service for them is next to Impossible. I've tried to get replacement cutting heads for two of their newer style trimmers. I was actually told by one of their phone Personnel to purchase an RCBS cutting head and that it will fit. On the other trimmer I couldn't get anything to replace the cutting head on it. I think I would rather spend more money and buy big blue, and at least I can get parts and service done without a problem. Just my honesty about a company I have dealt with many times before. Echo
Communist CHINA!!
Very interesting! It is a very nice press. One minor negative may be having to reach around the case feeder stand to manually place the bullet on the cartridge.
When is this thing coming out?
Looking forward for your full unboxing/setup, review and caliber change videos with better b rolls and hopefully much better lighting.
Looks great. How complicated is the set up for the average person. That seems to be the biggest problem with everyones products
Seems like you were having to look around the brass feed tube to set pistol bullets on the seating station. Just an initial impression watching you load the 9mm. Did that seem ergonomic? I'm envisioning twisting to look around that brass feed system for thousands of rounds.
lol. two tylenol should handle the stiff neck.
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Nicely done, as usual Gavin. Looks like an impressive product, but I see that it is made in China. That is a deal breaker for me.
So is there a preorder date possibly? And what dies do u need to use with this machine and will be able to purchase everything from them to set the whole machine up and Also have a TH-cam page on setting everything up step by step?
Didn't know I wanted one until I saw this .would be interested in knowing more about the powder system would it allow for loads to weighing
Let's not get ahead of ourselves fellas, it is a FA, dont start throwing shade at Dillon till you've actually had one and ran it for yourself. Looked like to me there was some torqueing of the tool head while they were running 223 and it looks like it's got a hanging point on the upstroke as well. May have something to do with the amount of leverage they have in the cam of the press, maybe not.. This could still end up being a nice press after they get the bugs worked out..
I saw that tool head flexing also. I wouldn't be the first to buy one.
Upstroke hang up was probably the expander ball coming back thru. I didn't see any weird torquing on the tool head.
I'm interested, but I want to see for info. I wanted the RCBS 7 station to not suck. That didn't happen, so I didn't buy one.
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I know what your saying about the expander ball, but on presses with a good cam you don't notice that when they are being run, it's a smooth operation. It's not like I seen Gavin do it once, every time he pulled the handle he had that same hesitation... This may very well turn out to be a good press, time will be the deciding factor..
@@ZZ-uf4zv Yup! Time will tell. I would really like to see a press that can actually compete with a 1050 at a reasonable price.
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Agree 100% as I have a RL1100 on the way...
Frankford makes some good stuff.
It would cost ~$900 to convert my LNL-AP to ammo factory status. With the X10, it's only a few hundred more. Nice! Does it come with one set of dies? I don't see dies on the website.🙁
This has everything but WIfI....and can it Smoke a Brisket? Eitherway, I want one.
Well glad I waited to get a ten station press this is going to save alot of money.
Dang, I was looking at the Apex 10, but with the features and price point, the FX-10 looks like the winner.
So... a grand or so. How about calibur conversions? What besides the shell plate, powder components, case feed parts? If you load 9, 38, 40, 45, 223 and 6.5 creedmoor..... what are we looking at? Does it come with a lifetime no BS warranty? Asking for a friend....
Great Press but without primers what good is it. Hopefully, they will start shipping us products so we could use this monster.
Very cool concept but those shell plates can't be cheap. It will also be interesting if you can buy extra tool heads so you could have one for each caliber already setup and ready for common ammo you reload in large quantities. I could see comp shooters having one setup for 9mm and 223 for their favorite loads and just swap out.
WOW... I like it.. The change over looks strange, but, I suppose, once you are used to doing it, just another normal day in loading. I would imagine they offer shelving units or racking that holds pre-set heads so one doesn't need to lay them on their sides.. Really nice looking units.
Nice to see some competition with Dillon
Where will it be manufactured?
@20:05 looks like shellplate snapping still occurs.
I feel this is a good value for the money my concern is availability once it comes out Frankford needs to maintain this machine and dies in stock if not it’s a three year waste of time. Too many options out there to wait for a company back flow which is my biggest issue with Dillon been waiting for two sets of dies for 8 months ridiculous.
I noticed that on the handle upstroke the press looked a little sticky. Is it the same old Dillon problem when the case sticks in the powder throw on the way out? If this press works at the price it will be a big hit
I’m sure I haven’t loaded as much as some, but I really haven’t encountered most of the problems mentioned in this video. I feel this press is solving a problem that doesn’t exist
Looks good. Does it come as a kit with dies, powder measure n case feeder ?
Sad to see it slip into 2022, but that gives me a few more months to save up…and convince the Mrs that I really DO need a 4th press. Looks like I’ll need to mod my reloading bench to allow for a puka for spent primers.
I hate pukas. I don’t like making more holes in my butcher block
Funny all the value added details that were mention will overcome all the issues I have with my Hornady LNL progressive that I hate so much... Yup I am getting one....
that will be a nice price point like to see more of this one
Are the die stations a quick change so you can have them set for caliber changes or do you have to reset everything every time you change calibers? Also will it do .270 win and .338 win mag?
I remember seeing a case trimmer on a Dillon press. Does Frankford have a case trimmer that can go on this press and if so will it be a triway trimmer or just use an end mill. I’ve been looking at buying a progressive press and this finally looks like it has everything that I’ve been looking for and is affordable. Thanks
If this thing works as advertised it's definitely going to be a game changer if I were Dylan precision I would be worried
.....Dillon
Ja here hammer Nazi I typically use voice to text and I'm too lazy to go back and correct it just get over it
Any more info or brief explanation of the proprietary Pistol "Bullet Shovel" would be nice :) I'm imagining something along the lines of.. No big bullet collator necessary, just grab a hand full of pistol bullets and throw them in a "shovel" style hopper? I also assume it comes with both small and large swage rods? I'm pretty darn excited for this! I saved up for a Mark7, but since you first broke the news of this I'm holding off for now :) Auto-Drive on a 10 Station would be rad!
I really like this press. Even more after stating that there will be both pistol and rifle bullet feeders.
One note I'd like to throw in is I would really like to see a primer pocket cleaner built in to the second station. If you've ever had a dirty pocket that caused a pass thru gass between primer and pocket wall enough to scorch and etch your bolt head you will understand why I'm saying this. It just doesn't happen very often ( 1 in a billion ) maybe, (1 in a million )but once is enough. I speak from experience. This is why I never de-prime /prime on press in one operation.
Wow. Well thought out machine. I want one.
They said beginning of 2022 now they are saying end of 2022. I don’t even think it will be at the end of this year. I got that vibe from talking to one of their guys at their booth at Shot Show last week. I hope I am wrong.
Looks like a great machine, but why the clunky rotary powder measure with the Rube Goldberg linkage. These things were never meant to installed on progressive machine. I replaced all my rotary clunkers with Dillon measures (minus the lawyer linkage) a long time ago.
I wonder how expensive the shell plates will be? Will all dies work with this? Looks rather complicated for set up. This really does interest me.
Can you use LNL bushings on it? It looks like it would be close to too thick to run them. The dies look set low already. How much are the shell-plates?
Sure is a lot of flex in that tool head.
primer drawback is a thing? i've reloaded maybe 50,000 cartridges on my hornady l&l progressive and never had that happen. is it a problem with other presses?
Yes. Have had it on my 650. Doing 38 super.
I'm pretty new to firearms and this makes reloading looks so much less intimidating, would love to get one of these one day.
It’s like someone with experience operating the big brand progressive took note of everything that could be improved…
Can you run a mr bullet die or only a Frankford arsenal specialized die ?
I could not tell if that station is 7/8×14 thread or not 🤷♂️
Looks like an awesome press.
That really help me decide. I expect to like it
I like it, I like the price, but it does seem like a bit of a contraption. If you run this, you should only probably run one caliber, i would think. The tear-down looks way more complicated than other machines.
Why does the plate twists/flexes so much at 0:38?
Would be interessting to see this in work. How smooth and reliable it works in a longer use. How expensive are the toolheads and the hopper etc.? The quality overall. Hope they use quality components for this press and can offer a good service and parts availability over at least 10 to 20 years, if parts break and need to be replaced. Othereise the press would be useless, unless you have a machineshop and make yor own spareparts. Press produced in????
Good point, if parts are needed, or a service is needed, will FA service here in the USA?
we want to see all about the apex10 and the autodrive!!!
This is an awesome new press and it couldn't have been presented by a better guy. Michael is a awesome shooter and a better dude.
When will someone make a loader where the it’s only a 90degreee movement with the arm. Not closer to 180…
Not going to happen. Unless someone makes a dedicated pistol only press. The tool head or shell plate needs to have enough stoke to load common rifle rounds.
We're gonna need a progressive primer re-loader
Thanks for a great presentation :) I have a question that you didn't get into but perhaps you know the answer... What is the largest suitable rifle caliber for this press. Will .308, 30-06 or 6,5x55 be possible? Looks like the hight is there. Will FA make conversion kits for these calibers I mentioned?
30-06 length is max.
Why does the head rock so much at the end of the down stroke. noticed it while hes doing the first few loads but its very apparent at 0:38 . at 0.25x speed slowmo. you can see the die toolhead tilting towards him. Doesn't seem very rigid even tho he put that dead die to balance it out. thats way more than a few thou
Sold! When can I get one?
If prices ever get back to normal I’m still thinking a $450 Hornady lnlap is the way to go. If they stripped this down to the basics and cut the price it would be a harder choice