The Horrific Torture Killing of Kelly Anne Bates (GRAPHIC)
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*WARNING: THIS CASE IS GRAPHIC IN DETAIL AND CONTAINS THEMES OF EXTREME TORTURE AND MURDER. VIEWER DISCRETION ADVISED*
Due popular demand by our viewers, we recount the tragic torture and murder of Kelly Anne Bates - an English teenager who was murdered in Manchester, England at the age of 17 by her abuser and live in partner, James Patterson Smith, who was roughly 30 years her senior. She was tortured by him over a period of four weeks, including having her eyes gouged from their sockets up to three weeks before her death, before being bludgeoned over the head and drowned in a bathtub.
The murder inquiry was headed by Detective Sergeant Joseph Monaghan of Greater Manchester Police, who said: "I have been in the police force for 15 years and have never seen a case as horrific as this." William Lawler, the pathologist who examined Bates' body, described her injuries as the worst he had seen on a murder victim.
Smith, with a history of violence and torture against former partners, denied killing Bates but was convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment on 19 November 1997.
This case has been compared to the Junko Furuta and Sylvia Likens case, and once again highlights the topic of bystander apathy.
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Death of Kelly Ann's poor mum 2020
Beware of men called James Smith!!
Hi from across the pond England 🇬🇧.
Our justice system is an absolute joke, only a few and I'm talking probably less than 1% actually receive a life sentence as in die in prison. And those that commit serious crimes probably do 14 years maximum and then are free.
We give Pedophiles, rapists child killers a few years if that, oh and then to top that off, some criminals get new identities if it's a big case, because of Human Rights WTFFFFF
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Perfect example!.
We had an 10 and 11 year old boys who decided one day, they wanted to try luring toddler's while in the shopping centre, 1st child they tried the mother caught them, didn't call police nothing, so they tried again, and they unfortunately managed to get a 2 year old away from his mom, they walked the little boy for ages then walked up onto railway tracks, those 2 boys stoned the child to death then put him on the railway tracks as they thought if a train went over him it would cover up their murder. 7 fucking years they did in a Young offenders then got given new identities, Oh this gets better. They came out at 18 and 1 of them has been arrested at least twice for child pornogra##y and guess what!?.
Was given another new identity ?.
Soo that's a little taste of our disgusting legal system
You are completely correct about the nerves in the eyes. My father lost a battle with some needle nose pliers, and had his eye gouged. The eye dr. was really concerned about him going into shock....on jab. (Not multiple so I cannot comprehend how she lived throughout that). Great job, y'all should do a piece on Hailey Dunn. I am from the same area, and could get you off to a great start.....
@@laurafletcher6526 wow this is just crazy
The fact that she survived all of that just to die from drowning it’s just incredible to me. The amount of pain she went through it’s just unimaginable
It's heartbreaking :(
Was thinking same thing...don't know how she lasted so long poor love....can't understand how any of the niebours didn't hear anything either !!!
You'de have thought the stab to the eye socket would finish her
Ikr wow! Smh so sad😢
same with junko furuta... how she didn't die from shock alone from her devastating and extensive injuries (it took her 45 minutes to crawl downstairs to use the bathroom) these cases haunt me
If I hear someone calling for help or hear any other violent noises, I am the kind of person who will call the police.
I used to live in an apartment; it was a lovely place in a very safe neighborhood. I only lived there for about a year before my fiance and I bought our first home. My neighbors to the left of me were a younger couple that tended to have loud arguments. One night I heard a lot of arguing back and forth, but then I listened to her scream and cry for help. I immediately called the police while still hearing her call out; that was loud enough for the 911 dispatcher to hear. While waiting for the police, she ran to my apartment, knocking and begging me to let her in, which I promptly did. She had stab wounds all over her, apparently done with scissors. He came over and started banging on my door and trying to bust it down as he threatened to kill me if I didn't let him in. The police showed up and put him in handcuffs, and paramedics came in to help her. She was hospitalized for a few days, and I visited her every day. When she got out, I took her to the police station so she could file a restraining order against him. He was charged and convicted with felony attempted murder and some misdemeanor charges and was sentenced to 8-10 years in prison. Since that night, which was about 20 years ago, she and I have become the best of friends, and when she introduces me to people, she always tells them that I saved her life. I believe, and she also believes that if I hadn't called the police and/or let her into my apartment, he would have killed her that night.
You are her guardian Angel. No doubt. 😇🙏🌻🌻🌻🌻
That’s amazing thank you
Good on you
What an angel 😇 you are x
Your a hero, I left a abusive situation last month, I went to the neighbors and they did nothing. So Your an angel. Thank you for helping her. God bless you and her. Love from Iowa..
So I've been reading up on these types of murders. And I can't understand why the killers get off with such light sentences? Junko's killers are free, Sylvia Likens killer got released, I believe most if not all of Shanda Shears killers are free, Tim Mclean's killer is free, James Bulger's killers are out! That is what is more disgusting than anything.
Unbelievable!
All but Shanda's main killer (Melinda iirc) is out, and she now trains service dogs in prison. Shanda's mother donated a dog for her to train, too, because its what Shanda would have wanted
Also one of James Bulger's killer got rearrested for child porn I think, so hes not out, but he did get released for the actual murder
(Probably untrue not-very-fun fact thats mostly unrelated but I so rarely get to bring it up; my school used to be a boarding school for misbehaving boys and one of James Bulger's killers apparently went there. It was a very bad school back then though, and eventually got shut down because staff were abusive)
Actually, I think Shanda’s main killer got released recently, but I could be wrong
JUNKO FURUTA KILLERS ARE FREE
@@screamqueensforever as already stated.
The eyes being gouged out is specifically pre-mortem...3 or 5 days (IIRC) before her death...imagine all this happening to you and then you are blinded for the last several days because your eyes were gouged out...it's so horrific. I'll never understand what can make another person inflict that level of horror on another living being, much less another person.
I can't imagine being in a situation where the only person around wants me dead and they want me to suffer. A lot of times it's someone who supposedly loves you so that means they are the only one who can get that angry with you that they want to destroy you piece by piece. You know that nobody is coming to save you. That has to be terrifying OMG, especially if it's more than one. It's a nightmare and I think the death penalty is made for those types of people. We need to stop letting people sit on death row for 25 to 30 years. They have served a life sentence and then you want to execute them? Get them while they are still the same piece of sht that they were when they committed these crimes. After 30 years, they're not the same person and probably would never do that crazy sht they did before. If we're gonna have capital punishment, do it right. Do it like China. When you're condemned, you don't have long at all. That's why they have nowhere near the crime rate that the US has. Sorry I wrote a book and it wasn't all about this story. Sorryyyyyy
I got a tiny scratch on my cornea three years ago and I was bedridden for two days it hurt so bad. The eyes have SO many nerve endings I can’t even remotely imagine the pain having them gouged.
@@HabrenOdinsdottir I'm so glad you got out. May you have complete healing, renewal of body and spirit, and be able to live with ease
3 WEEKS to 5 days before her death is what I believe they said. Hopefully it wasn't that long before....
in nanking the japs did that to a fuckton of children, war is horrific
Imagine being blinded…knowing that even if you somehow managed to survive, nothing will bring back your eyesight. Being left alone in such agony and you can’t even see. Stone cold evil!
It was probably a relief for her to not see the monster she had to deal with anymore
@@SoggySlopster This has to be one of the dumbest comments I've ever seen in my life. "I bet she was relieved to have her eyes gouged out so that she wouldn't have to see the monster anymore, despite the fact that the monster was going to continue torturing her and she can't even see what's coming next." Bruh
My daughter is 17- the same age as Kelly was when she died. And I can tell you one thing for free, if she was living with a 48 year old man and I hadn’t heard from or seen her for even a WEEK, I would be going through his door with an axe to make sure my baby was safe, and if he got in my way I’d go through him with that axe too. Happily.
What she must have gone through, God alone knows. The suffering must have been immense.
Poor wee child. May she be in peace now 🙏 👼
I TOTALLY AGREE!!!! A 16 year old is a CHILD!!!! At the very least, I’d have welfare checks done weekly!!! But like you, I’d take matters in my own hands. 😡
You would wait for a week??
@@geoffmoore1828 exactly, i thought the same thing! Who let's their child go off with a 48yr old man????!!!
I would not let my 15, 16 or 17 year old daughter go live with a 48 year old abuser or man! Only over my dead body!
@@TeaCup1940 you are 100% correct
How did he think drowning accidentally would be believed when her eyes were torn out by his hands? I mean wtf? The audacity to think he could get away with it
I thought the same thing…I can’t believe he didn’t try to cover up her death, just called the cops and said he accidentally killed his gf as if that happens all the time
I'm guessing he was trying to escape an actual murder charge.
He tried to tell the police she did it to herself. She was torturing herself when they would fight because she wanted attention and didn’t want him to break up with her. As if that’s anymore believable.
This case made me physically ill. The fact that another person can do this to another person is beyond horrifying to me.
He needs subjected to a method of execution that was used in the Phoenix program in Vietnam. Reserved for enemy agents who caused the deaths of Americans. The technique was known as a ' dick weighing. ' That's all that I can say.
there is more then a few, peoples inability to understand this is how they keep breathing.
I'm sorry but all these sadistic people need to be treated exactly how they treated their victims. These people are pure evil. Makes me sick to my stomach. Poor girl 🥺
if not worse punishment x
Eye-for-Eye punishments need to be implemented for the most abhorrent crimes.
The biggest issue with a system like this however is innocent people could get wrongfully accused and sentenced. That's the same issue with the death penalty.
Agree if u were thinking about torturing somebody, and knew that if u got caught that same thing would happen to u, it's got to make you think, do l want this
I wish when someone gets the death penalty they don't get 20 years to live they just come get that person from their cell and drag them to their doom
AMEN?! the punishment should fit the crime exactly as it was metered out to the victim.
I'M EMBARRASSED TO BE PART OF THE HUMAN RACE.. SERIOUSLY !!!! Not even wild animals treat their own like this .. rest in peace Kelly Anne Bates 👼
Chimps can be fairly horrific to other chimps. Not sure about any of the other great apes.
@@MsJazbren that's true. They've been observed not only murdering other chimps, but brutally while taking great pleasure in doing so
Also male lions, after taking control of a pride from an older male, will kill all male cubs of the former male's lineage.
@@blueunicornhere and the female cubs. To bring lioness back into heat.
agreed... there is definitely something VERY WRONG with the human race... so many demons disguised as people
We just have to domesticate humans it’s fine
Sometimes I feel weird, bad or gross for hearing....or wanting to hear , the details of cases like this. Some people like it, I dont, but I still want to hear for 2 reasons. 1.... I can't understand the mentality of ppl that can hurt others so flippantly, but more importantly 2... the victims deserve for ppl to know what they went thru 😢 they hurt an suffered, and their stories should be heard, unadulterated even if it's uncomfortable. If it happened to me, if want people to know what happened and try an understand the psychology of who did it to me
We get hate sometimes for including details but I agree with you. These people no longer have a voice and if we turn and ignore what happened to them, we are dishonoring them. To honor them, we have to know and understand what they went through completely, including the awful details. Perhaps in some way, through understanding, we can figure out a way to prevent things like this from happening.
@Fiona it is too much, but that's exactly why we need to hear it. The cement girl of japan, junko furito, is case that hits me hardest an haunts me. These cases are sad an hard af to hear, but shouldn't be minimized. In certain cases where perpetrators are up for parole....our voices matter in keeping them where they need to be. Certain countries have limitations on how long ur kept in prison, even for most grievous acts, but some need to be kept away as long as possible cuz we know how inhumane an awful their acts were. That's why the details matter
Not only that, but people who may be experiencing a sliver of this type of abuse NEED to hear that this can and usually will get a whole lot worse if they don’t make a safe plan to get out. It is awful, but it needs to be talked about in order to help others see red flags and get away from these psychos before it is too late. I barely got away from my ex... I believe full heartedly he was close to murdering me the week I got away. Left nearly everything behind and never ever went back. Haven’t seen him since.
Now years later and I’m happily married with my first born this last October. Better things can happen ♥️
@Fiona same with that 8 year old little boy named Gabriel. With the psycho mother named Pearl with her husband or boyfriend. ...when I think not that poor boy. ...
This !! Sharing their story too also helps give them a voice !!
I reached out to the pathologist about this case several years ago. He still remembers this case as it was one of the most haunting he ever worked on. All injuries to Kelly Anne were before her death. I'm glad you covered this case as it has haunted me for many years.
Smith had no prior convictions as prior partners only came to the trial. Also the parents didnt do anything about the relationship for fear of driving their teenager further into his arms.
@@MourgenMassacre They would better have kidnapped her.
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I can appreciate how people are shocked that "the neighbors did nothing" but the reality is neighbors report violence and abuse, the police show up, the parties involved say "everything's fine" and then the police leave. Then the neighbors are left to face the wrath and harassment of the violent offenders. Every report to the police results in them saying "Well, there's nothing we can do" and the violence and harassment get worse. I had a friend who reported children being hit and left outside at a house on his road. The police came, the people say "nope, not us", the cops leave and, mysteriously, the neighbor's dog was shot dead a week later. Until there are laws with teeth and enforcement of those laws, people are reluctant to paint a target on themselves.
Reminds me of the song Behind The Wall by Tracy Chapman. The police in that song don’t do anything until the woman is dead despite numerous calls to police.
This happened with Jeffrey Dahmer's case. Numerous neighbors called the police a bunch of times because of the foul smell, but they did nothing. Turns out the guy had a bunch of corpses lying around that they would have seen IF THEY HAD BOTHERED TO CHECK.
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@@ZimVader-0017 also dont forget a teen got away from him but when he went to cops, the cops thought the kid was dahmers and brought him back to D’s house
The police really does expect those criminals to just confess and say: Yes, that was me. I beat my children. Or they expect the very afraid and manipulated victims to just say: Yes, that was me who was just beaten.
Really so naive and they should do a better job of protecting vulnerable citizens.
Being a survivor of domestic violence myself, there usually is what they call the honeymoon phase. I know for myself the fear of leaving was greater then the fear of staying. I did finally leave 3yrs ago after 28yrs of marriage, yes children and pets do play apart as well. one thing I always made sure my kids had therapy and they really didn't know that he was hitting me because I was able to hide it. but I could not hide the verbal or mental abuse, all I can say is to anyone in this situation please get help, so that another beautiful life isn't taken like this.💜
Happy 3 years to you too! I left my abuser 3 years ago as well :)
That must have been terrifying. I'm glad you were able to break free, and wish for nothing but the best for you and your children! You're all so very brave :)
I'm glad you got out
That is the most horrific thing I have ever heard. I have had eye surgery. Coming out of anesthesia I wanted to vomit from pain due to medical neglect.
I cannot even fathom what she must have went through :(
Random creepy fact… eyeballs pop out pretty easy with enough pressure on the inside or outside corner of the eyes. And so long as the eyeball is undamaged and remains intact, doctors can just pop it back in.
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For those worried, I learned this during self-defense classes and it’s only meant to be used in cases of severe bodily harm/disfiguration or death. But if someone is strangling you, popping an eye out seems fair to me
Yeah, my dog bonked his eyeball out on a glass table once. My grandma pushed it back in with a wet wash cloth and held him and he was fine.
He was a boston terrier with big bugged out eyes lol if it would happen to any dog it would be him.
@@indiomoustafa2047 Wow, lol. Your grandma sounds like a cool, calm, collected gal. I can't imagine, I already know I'd be freaking out. No way could I just pop that sucker back in. 🤣
@@quicksilverlacey lmao no she is hysterical, she just made the correct choice that day.
I've heard a case of a woman whose eye popped out during labor... Luckily doctors were able to put it back in and now she's fine
@@indiomoustafa2047 was there a comment that I missed by the person you replied to because I don't see one and this is happening more and more where comments don't show up for me so all I get are replies
this is THE MOST horrific tourturing ive EVER heard of in my 4 years of fascination with true crime
this made me sick to my stomach Rest In Peace Kelly Anne Bates I cant imagine how her loved ones felt
The Takoda Collins case is much worse :'(
@@blessedrthosesermount99 They are both very bad I would say. Cannot compare the suffering of those victims in such torture cases in my opinion. They all suffered very very much before being killed.
There was also Junko Furata... Sylvia Likens... And there was one more where the guy gauged her eyes out and tortured her but she lived... When I think about there is so much MORE
My dad grew up with her and knew her well, he told me what happened to her. Sadly, her mother passed away lastnight. I used to work with her, such a lovely woman❣️🙏🏼
Noooo! I am SO sorry :( My heart breaks for her. Hopefully they can be together now. This is such sad news.
My condolences to you and your family - this is an incredibly painful case to be connected to
@@TheMiseryMachine it’s horrible isn’t it, my dad said that everyone in Hattersley knew about what happened to her. They all had a feeling it was something horrible and then they found out exactly what. It’s affected my dad for the rest of his life, he’s lived in fear of it since for if it ever happened to me and even more so when I told him I’d be moving away with my older boyfriend. That’s when he told me about Kelly Anne. I can’t imagine how her family felt or still feel, god bless them all. Now her mother is with her ❣️
@@mistypuffs Thankyou, it’s still affected my dad even till this day but I can’t begin to imagine how her family felt or still feel about it. It’s so heartbreaking what happened to her. At least I got to meet her mother and work with her, albeit it wasn’t for long because I was only temporary but she was such a lovely woman.
My mum used to work with her when they was teen x
The Judicial system in the UK is a joke. There’s no Life without parole. Everyone is eligible for parole after 20 years, and more often than not they end up releasing people that are in no way supposed to ever be out, and they end up causing tragedy again…
There are some people on full life sentences, with no possibility of parole, but as someone said elsewhere it's only about 60 people atm.
Tell me you know very little about criminology without telling me
Rose West is definitely dying in Prison, the Moors murders both died in Prison. Few but life sentence without parole in the UK does exist.
Just recently, because of the Sarah Everard Case, rape has now become a life sentence without parole.
I can’t believe it took them that long to sort that shit out.
Sexual assault on the other hand, still as bad as rape is a sentence of 15 years.
I’m from Scotland 🏴 and as much as I hate to say it... our justice/sentencing laws are like a slap on the wrist compared to a lot of countries, especially where you guys are, American ! For heinous, horrific, torturous crimes (and any crime committed against an innocent baby/child/kid/preteen/early teens (any child who isn’t an adult by law) life should mean life and for any crime against a child should be mandatory natural life in prison and if the crime was as heinous as SA /trafficking/ pedo rings/productions and viewing and sharing “child *porn* / child R@p€ and or murder this is when I would say is the one reason death penalty should be used *it should be brought back in the uk 🇬🇧 * for CSA ! But that’s just my opinion!
20yrs minimum is as harsh as you can probably get here which shocks me to the core and any one thinking of committing a heinous crime like this will certainly not be put off by the chance they get caught and hit with a lifer as a lifer is usually between 15 yr - 25 yrs prison (usually time off with good behaviour inside 🙄🤬) so its certainly not a deterrent for any monsters willing/thinking of doing this harm!
Sorry for the long rambling comment but I just had to vent!!!😡😤
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Yeah the UK focuses more on drug and gang related crimes and "quick" "easy" cases to give longer sentences to
Do they not use 'at her majesty's leisure' anymore?? I have heard that sentence somewhere.
The USA is no better in my state they let pedofiles off easy just saying all the usa cares about is getting people doing petty things it’s ridiculous really like people who commit the act of shoplifting 3 times you will go to prison 5 years so the usa focus is petty crimes so our justice system is broken too
I’m American and here in the states we often argue about the morality of the death penalty but in cases like this where they are so very heinous and the person in question is clearly guilty the death penalty is not only justifiable it is necessary.
I completely agree and torture with murder should definitely be the harshest punishment given, only I also wish they had the death penalty for certain crimes as this one. I only can hope and pray they put him in population so the inmates can take care of him the way he took care of her and hopefully even worse if that's even possible, I've never heard a case so DISPECKABLE and I watch crime shows all the time, my heart goes out to her and her Family and friends RIP YOU ARE AN ANGEL BESIDE GOD AND JESUS NOW DARLING ❤
As a retired surgeon, I would have been glad to modify his anatomy. First, a radical scrotal excision followed by a penectomy. My use
of sedation/ anesthesia would be minimal. Next, well ... I would have fed him. Take a guess what would have been his last meal. It would have been served very, very rare. I'd then provide my 'patient' with hefty doses of scopolamine and LSD. After this, I'd embark on a campaign against his nerve endings. Reinhold Von Kechensteinerbachen, M.B.B.S.
Thank you for making us aware of this dear young girl's life. Kelly Anne Bates was born only 2 years before me. I think of what I was doing at her age and I start tearing up empathizing with each thing she endured while others her age are experiencing something much more typical for a teen. RIP Kelly Anne Bates.
After all of that torture ... She then died by drowning.
For those reading this. I need you to understand how horrible drowning is in and of itself let alone being tortured before it happening. Drowning is one of the most painful ways to go, it's not some peaceful sleep. Your lungs burn and your brain fires off distress signals that it can't rectify. Before passing out the last thing you'd probably be feeling is your heartbeat threatening to burst from your chest before it slows.
This is one of the most gruesome cases I've ever read about and listened to.
How do you know how the death of drowning feels like?
Jesus you chat soo much shit. 🤦🏻♂️
the worse part she drowned in SCALDING water
Drowning is a merciful end compared to some. Drowning is quick. Imagine starving to death. Just the mental anguish involved in that. Or go look up scaphism. Drowning would be a party in comparison.
@allamericananti-christ666 idk man I had an eating disorder for 4 years and I almost starved to death. My heart was about to fail and I couldn't stand up on my own towards the end of it. I would take starvation over drowning any day because towards the end, you're very apathetic of death. I was never a suicidal person but it felt okay to go after starving for so long. Drowning, you don't have that apathy and are trying to cling to life still.
Just want to tell you how much I appreciate that you start your videos immediately talking about the subject matter. I get easily turned off from channels that lead in with long winded introductions and announcements. I love that you wait til the end to do this. I just subscribed! 🙂
Thank you so much!! ❤️❤️❤️
Thankyou so much for coveriing Kelly's sad and brutal case.
Honestly your love and compassion really floors me. Thank you so much for sharing your views with us, it's greatly appreciated.
I'm from the UK & am a complete true crime addict. I'm around the same age as th at poor girl...& I have NEVER even heard about this case!? Truly awful, it's unimaginable what terror she went through. So sad.
I thought the same
My heart goes out to this poor girl. The horror she must of gone through is just awful. The monster that did this to her deserves the same done to him. RIP to this poor girl.
If anyone is living in a domestic violence situation there is help out there. Call the Domestic Violence Hotline. Get out before it is to late. Love is not supposed to hurt. 😪🙏
Jfc. Not again. It's *would've* and *could've* and *should've* and *must've*. These are all contractions of the root words and *have*. You attempted to phonetically spell one of these using the word "of", which makes zero sense. Think about it, and look around for a class in remedial composition.
I remember being 15 and never being taught boundaries yet also thinking I was mature enough to know when I was in danger and that I could handle it. News flash: no. I almost ended up in a similar situation with someone who was my age because I had never been taught to say no or that I had all the right to leave something if I felt I wasn’t being treated right. It cost me a finger, my hair and a lifetime of psychological damage but at least I lived.
That torture was inhumane like Junko Furuta 😰
And Suzanne Capper, and Sylvia Likens.
And Adrian Jones and takoda Collins which are extremely underrated cases
Other sadistic cases like this was Marion Parker and Fanny Adams aswell. Those two cases are up there with these imo
Sadistic case is Brenna Lopez which is a video in this channel 😢😢
one time in my apt my hubby and I heard a girl screaming and we ran to the balcony to see a womans hubby trying to throw her off the balcony at 14 stories high. we called the police but nothing was done. A week goes by and we heard sirens outside and we went to the balcony to see her body lying on the ground with a pool of blood around her. We knew he had killed her and we went to the cops but the hubby just said she killed herself. He got off and took his kids and left the city after about a month. It was awful. Some people really piss me off. this poor lil lady Kelly may she rest in power.
As far as neighbors not calling the cops in DV cases. I know from experience that in my own life, when I was in a horrible physically abusive relationship that the neighbors did call the police quite a few times. But I see where there does come a point where you’re calling them 2-4x per week, and they come out and just nothing happens. The girl won’t say “Yeah he just beat me horrifically” she’ll often say “oh I’m clumsy I was falling down the steps” or whatever. And the police know that it’s bullshit. But since nobody actually witnessed the abuse with their own eyes there’s just not a lot the cops can do.
So people stop calling
MY ADVICE-if you have a neighbor where you frequently hear violent fights taking place.
CALL. EVERY. TIME.
even if you feel like you’re being a pain in the ass. Even if you don’t think that you’re helping. Just calling and saying
“I can hear a lot of noises coming from my neighbors and I believe a person is being hurt in there”
CAN HELP.
If not that moment. In the future. If this person gets the strength to leave the abuser, all those 911 calls can help them to get protection in a situation where it’s he said/she said or whatever.
ALSO-
Don’t treat the abuse victims like a pariah when you see them. If you hear your neighbor screaming crying for her life. And then see her run out of the apartment all bloody. Don’t take it personal if you call the cops and she says that it never happened. When you see them outside or in the hallway or wherever just say hello and talk to them like you would any other person. Even if they have a busted lip and an eye swollen shut. Don’t look at them with pity. dirty looks and judgement really just make the person feel lower than they already do feel. And it’s also easier for the abuser to convince the victim that “they’re calling 911 out of spite. Just to be a b*tch.”
I could go on and on about this subject but that my two cents.
Great video. After reading this case, it helps in a way to hear others try to comprehend how horrible it is.
I'm from the UK and we DO have life without parole, but it's incredibly rare for someone to receive it. It's reserved for serial killers, terrorists ect. I think only around 30 people have ever received it as a sentence.
how horrible. Thank you for being so compassionate in your telling. Bless you both ❤️
Wtaf? I thought I knew most of the more horrific cases.
Thanks for covering this. Poor, dear Kelly Anne. Jesus.
I was in a horrific relationship as my first one. It didn't get bad for the first year and then it was such a shock. He lit me on fire in our living room with Gasoline. He detached the retina in one of my eye with a home phone. The neighbors would see him whooping my ass when I would try and get away but never stepped in. He seemed to enjoy the power of hurting me in front of people and them not intervening
I've read/listened to hundreds of true crime cases, but this is definitely within my top five most horrifying ones. I just can't imagine the pain she went through, and it's baffling that another human being could inflict those types of injuries on a LITTLE GIRL. She had an entire life to live, but he ripped it away from her because he's a sadistic freak. Rest in peace, Kelly.
Also, Drewby's reactions to the details are exactly what I said whilst reading them.
Thanks! I've never subscribed to any channel...ever. You are the first and only. Thank you for bringing many of these cases to light. Ppl need to know what's going on. Things can't be changed and made better, if ppl don't understand what's going on behind closed doors. Thank you for opening those doors, releasing the victims, and shining an ugly light on the abusers.
Thank you SO much John!!
I reached out to the pathologist from this case many years ago. He remembered it vividly. None of her injuries were post mortem, and her eyes had been removed up to 2 weeks prior to her death.
This makes me think we need the death penalty back in the U.K
Agreed but so many innocent people are wrongly executed..x
Death penalty is not so bad after all!! Death penalty is bad for punishing wrong person
tbh id rather have them stew in prison knowing what they did for the rest of their life. death is too good a mercy for people like this.
this is definitely a worthy case for death penalty
No they need too fuckinh rot in prison death penalty lets them leave quick
This narration is so painful I had to give up halfway. You guys have definitely gotten soooo much better
@The Misery Machine, this is my first time here! I love the way you guys covered this story & the way you two play off one another, even if y’all see things a little differently. So you have yourselves a new subscriber!! Happy to be here!!
Welcome, Pamela!! We're glad to have you ♡
My baby girl is a teenager. I always pray for her safety because she is going through her naive and rebellious stage xx
If any murderer ever deserved the death penalty, I would say that this guy needed it. I would rather see him get the same treatment that he gave to this poor girl though. She was 15 when the abuse started and only 17 when she died. She was just a child. I can't even fathom the pain that this this poor girl suffered though.
Such an amazing story! You guys have come soo far, love you guys 🥰🥸
Amazing think that’s the wrong word for it don’t you
I'm a relatively recent subscriber, so I haven't seen many of your older content yet. This is an excellent video to begin with, but the evolution to your current content quality is remarkable.
You two have really streamlined your storytelling process and polished up the presentation. How satisfying to observe your progress while binge watching while doing chores 👍
Thank you 😊
Thank you!! That is incredibly kind of you to say. We really have tried to make things better over the years
Margaret Bates sadly passed away during the Christmas period of last year, she was 65 😢 (1955 - 2020)
I'm in England in 1997 my 7-month-old nephew got murdered by my sister boyfriend because he beat my sister and she locked herself in her bathroom beaten to a pulp half-conscious while she was in there he turned his rage onto my nephew because he was crying he died from his injuries my sister has blamed herself for not being able to protect him and we didn't know what was happening behind closed doors she hid the DV from all the family he put on a show when he was in front of anyone he got 25 years manslaughter should have got a bullet between his eyes
I'm so sorry to hear that, that is incredibly tragic. I agree, he should have gotten death, 25 years is nowhere near enough. Thank you for sharing your story ❤️
@@TheMiseryMachine thankyou for taking the time to read it, sending love to you both
I came across your channel through another TH-camr that I follow... I'm so glad she mentioned you guys!!!
Love your channel guys you bring these people into our lives and our hearts Thank you!!
Thank you for such kind words. Much love to you! ❤️❤️
@@TheMiseryMachine Your so welcome darlings
Keep up the good work you wonderful people Are Precious.
you guys have a new subscriber I really like how you guys tell the story it's alot different then usual narrating
Well thank you so much ♡
I live in Gordon, Manchester and I’ve never heard of this story!!! Shocking and so very sad. RIP sweet girl x
I'm only 3 miles away and I don't recall hearing about this horrendous case either!! So tragic poor Kelly. Our justice system is just crap.
Gordon, I thought it said Gorton 🤔
Hey guys, I just wanted to let you know how much I enjoy your podcast, it is definitely my favourite and I recommend it to everyone. I truly respect and admire the beautiful way you both present the stories on behalf of the victims., I’m your number one Superfan💛💛💛
Thank you for you’re Channel
You were talking about the mothers grief at the death of her daughter and I myself am a mother to my beautiful daughter that is 20 years old ,and stories like these absolutely hit me hard!! I cry just thinking of how these poor mothers having that a parents worse nightmare coming to fruition, just the thought of this happening saddens me so that I couldn't even fathom the reality it absolutely breaks my heart 💔
The mom and dad should not only feel agony for all their remaining days, but should be jailed for accessory to murder and felony child abuse! Fucking useless humans
Imagine soap in your eyes. Now add exposed sockets and stab wounds. No joke, if that were my family...😠😤😡🤬
You two are Awesome💕I love this channel. Thank you for your passion. 😘😘
hi yerby and drewby ! i absolutely love your channel. you guys are telling the stories that ALMOST EVERY OTHER CHANNEL IS TOO SCARED TO TELL! for fear of demonetization. these are stories rhat need and DESERVE to be told. the child aboose, esSAy, torture (sorry for the awkward censoring, i dont want this to get removed) and murder. these stories are so heart wrenching , but some people turn a blind eye and think these things dont happen in modern areas/ timeframes etc .... these victims deserve to be remembered and for new laws to be brought to the forefront and advocated for.
Kellys mum has just passed away 😞. Though 20 years wasn't long, I believe if parole board feel he still a risk to public they can keep them in prison. Doesn't always mean they get out early on licence or after their 20 years.
It's really difficult to know what happened to keep a person with an abuser. There are inumerable factors that we can't know.
People stay with abusers because they know the abuser will never let them leave. Even if they escape from the house, their abuser will be enraged and come after them. And if they catch you, they’ll kill you.
I'm British and I've never heard of this case,it's truly horrific
CAN'T BELIEVE WE WALK AMONG THESE DEMONS REST IN PEACE ANGEL
Just imagine a peice of dust in your eye the discomfort , a few years back while playing rugby my actual eye was scratched across the whole eye and a small chunk removed .I can assure the the pain is crippling I couldn't think it was so painful nothing close to that pain came near I was lying and cheating doctors to get the eye drop 💧 that removed the pain instantly , this was a scratch ,I couldn't or want to imagine the pain of an eye being gouged , the pain unmatched nothing would ever line up against that pain .
Omg what happened with your eye? Does that type of injury heal completely or does it just always cause pain from that point on?
@@quicksilverlacey yes my eye healed , lucky it was the white part of the eye , but the pain was very intense , and the medicine is so powerful the Dr allows a. Drop then tosses the rest away ,then I have to figure how to get the rest of those drops from the bin
I've been on the internet for years this might be the most brutal thing I've ever heard and I'm a DV survivor and I survived nothing compared to this poor girl oh my God
Loving your videos
Thank you Sarah!
Great video thanks 👍
😱 I woulda been screaming my head off until the neighbors called the police
Madness reference! 😉
I am in the UK. One of my schoolmates had a child by her brother at 13 in the 80s. It was, at that point, shocking and gossip fodder but less noticeable than it is now. I don’t even know if he was prosecuted. It was a family matter. She was sent away to have the child. Much like unwed mothers were in previous decades. Thank goodness for updated laws and modern consciousness.
I myself went through things that we would now consider sexual assault or physical abuse but were then just matter of fact. I think about that a lot.
I was a preteen/teen in the early 90s and I know what you mean. So many things happened that make me wonder what kind of an impact they had on me, as there was so little awareness of trauma, consent, etc.
They sent the wrong sibling away
There has been no death penalty in Britain since the 1960s. Very few whole-life terms are handed out. There are currently around 60 whole-life prisoners in British jails.
I cannot imagine the pain and fear she went through. I am so thankful for your channel since you not only bring to light these cases, I've heard this one before, but you discuss how we can stop these things from happening. That is also what I am constantly pondering about. My main idea is to start teaching children, maybe middle school age, about recognizing abusive relationships, etc. Other than that we need more laws and longer prison sentences for such horrific crimes.
I'm sure she hoped someone would rescue her the whole time she was tortured. This is the worst case I have ever heard of. 😭
It makes me wonder what child, or person, is being tortured at this very minute...and, we can't stop it. 😰
I would love to see you guys while story telling🖤
753 subs ten months ago... y'all are growing well! how exciting for you
These injuries were all antemortem. You read this stuff and see videos and you pray for them to die. It is truly astounding how hard the spirit fights to survive, and the catastrophic injuries that one can survive over a protracted amount of time. These cases are just the limit of human depravity and even if the countries don’t have the death penalty, it should be allowed to be an option in cases like this. Anyone that can show such depraved indifference to the human suffering they have caused cannot be rehabilitated. You cannot rehabilitate someone capable of this level of violence. That being the case, their lives should be forfeit and they should be destroyed. None of this drifting off to sleep bullshit. Bring back drawing and quartering, or the brazen bull. The punishment must fit the crimes in cases like this. I am pro choice and anti death penalty,, but I do believe in absolute evil, and evil like this should not be allowed to live.
@Lolita Nabokov you took the words right out of my angry fingers. I agree 100%
Bring back drawing & quartering Braveheart style. That's what these demons deserve, nothing less. RIP KELLY ANN🙏🌻🌻😪💙💙
I agree except I’m not against the death penalty.
You hit the nail right on the head with everything you said I 1000% agree!
R.I.P. Kelly Anne Bates!!! :(
Wow just come across your channel ..wow u guys r awesome...great videos...take care stay safe ... Can't wait for more
Thank you so much Tanya! This is one of our older episodes, so we have released a ton of new ones since then! Hope to see you back here again ❤️
Thank you for covering this. I'm from the UK. Never heard of it
This reminds me of the Junko Furuta case. So sad
She was alive through all of this unfortunately, God bless her soul.
The giving of no possibility of parole is very rare in the UK I can only think of three on the top of my head. I will say although they will say no parole for 40 years when the offender is currently 60 years old knowing he/she won’t live till their parole date. In horrific cases like this and others giving no consideration for parole for X amount of years but well known it’s just “consideration” and is very unlikely to be granted.
Keep up the good work guys soo glad I came across your page.
The duo commentary brings to mind, Sometimes Less is More.
When it comes to torture, you gotta remember that this stuff hurts when it heals correctly. With no treatment no bone splints, no antibiotics, infections etc... We can't exactly fathom their pain if we think of injuries the way WE would endure them
She had to be in excruciating pain constantly. It takes a certain type of person to hurt someone, breaking their body, their spirit and probably their will to live. Just to stop hurting. That's an evil mf right there. He should never ever leave prison. Some people do this and worse to children, smdh
I live approx 3 miles from where this poor girl was horrifically tortured and murdered. What poor Kelly went through at the hands of this monster is so hard to comprehend. Poor poor girl RIP 🙏🏻
I have always said that whatever misery and torture they put upon others should be done to them
The way I casually use these as my lullaby to falling asleep to 😅
In the states he would have got the death penalty in Texas or Florida or any other state that hv the death penalty
I really do hope things are none too pleasant for him in prison ♡ Yergy
Yeah that's why the US has higheest re offending rates
the most disgusting cases of opposites attract; always such sweet, kind women with bright futures falling into the traps of the lowest of the low, most depraved monsters the world has to offer
So true!
I study criminology and we rarely do a case without parole and they have to serve 25 years before they are able to apply but they can still be rejected by the judge for parole
Please do more 🇬🇧 cases . Love your channel. I'm in London
I can't believe how young she was. Wow.
Just a touch of insight from someone who works in the legal field - most jurists are uncomfortable rendering a verdict without letting a decent amount of time pass during deliberation. In many cases, they know exactly how they are going to vote before they return to the jury room. They tend to feel that coming back to the judge with a decision "too quickly" could make them look bad or anger the judge. I constantly hear about deliberations going on for exactly two hours before the verdict is delivered. I think that pattern is fascinating. Also, I believe the term "At Her Majesty's pleasure" is what's used for an indeterminate sentence, so I'm pretty sure they technically have the ability to hand down a life sentence.
They probably have lunch
In the 70's and 80's it was still very much frowned upon to be in a relationship with a much older man. Where did you get the information that families in poverty were ok for their daughters to marry into money? That happened in Edwardian and Victorian times - not in modern times. The father of the girl would have punched this guy's lights out rather than allow their daughter to live with a much older man which surprises me that these parents did not go to the police if they had supposedly tried everything else to stop the relationship.
I listen to a lot of these... and this one made me cry... wow....
Holy fucking wow I’ve read her injuries that’s by far the most evil thing I’ve read I feel utterly horrendous....I’m lost for words
It's by far one of the most horrific cases I've ever heard :(
the autopsy also showed that her eyes were gouged out at least 5 days prior to her dying, so she was blind and deprived of water for days before dying
Rest In Peace… that poor poor girl. No one deserves this.
How insanely angry must you be to do something like this to someone? The pure sadistic nature of these injuries to this poor young girl. RIP
First of all great job on the video and bringing these stories to light. I really feel that in some way the people that suffered and died in these terrible ways will not be forgotten. For the bruise comments OMG. I am number 1 klutz. I am always tripping and banging in to stuff. I wake up with at least a couple of bruises a day. No serious health issues but if there is a tripping hazard I will certainly find it.
I literally smash my limbs off if everything and randomly fall over. I'm awful ♡ Yergy
@@TheMiseryMachine when I opened TH-cam to watch a video your Shanda Sharer video came up on the survey. I gave it max stars and said it was informative and entertaining.
@@mnicolemortensen7 thank you SO much!!! I didn't even know this was a thing ♡
@@TheMiseryMachine It doesn't happen every day but it seems like when I watch several videos from a channel after that channel was suggested to me based on something else I was watching TH-cam wants to know if their suggestions were accurate. Please encourage all your subscribers to respond if they get that type of notification on their main feed. It is two clicks. It asks for a star rating and then to check the boxes of why you liked it. It takes two seconds but the more positive feedback TH-cam gets from this they will continue to suggest videos that are related to a video someone is watching with similar content. Hopefully that made sense. It was a little Mad Hatter nonsense there lol 😆. Keep up the great work though.
@@mnicolemortensen7 omg tysm! We're going to put the word out!!!!
I'm sorry. What kind of monster removes someone's eyes and leaves them to suffer in their presence 😢. Why is that something they desired to see? How horribly unfortunate her life became. Its hard to feel empathy bc it seems to far fetched to be real. Im in awe. Why are some people brought into the world just to suffer so unimaginably? This rattles my faith. Not broken bit definitely rattled.