NHL's Stanley Cup is HARDEST Sports Trophy to Win
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Yep! Just ask any, and I mean ANY fan of an NHL Canadian franchise. I'm not even gonna blame Gary Bettman for The Oilers abysmal displays in all 3 games against The Panthers. 😢🇨🇦🏒🏆
100% agree. The most grueling playoff season by far
The St. Louis Blues are a case in point. They went to the playoffs like 24 straight seasons and didnt win it. It finally came in 2019 after being in the league 50 plus years and they were dead last in the standings at the start of the year. One of the most cinderella stories ever in sports. Brett Hull getting drunk at the parade made it even better. 😂
I have always argued in hockey, if your NHL team makes it to Conference Final, you really cant complain. To make the Final 4 in a 32 team league where the game is as tough and grueling as hockey is an accomplishment.
1:56 huge respect for seguin here you can tell he’s a fan of the game and is excited to see how it plays out
Every as a cats fan, so much respect for the guys like him who are well spoken and know how to reflect on a loss
I've discovered over the years that in the NBA, more often than not, the best team usually wins, which is determined by who has the most talent and who can play well together. In baseball, football, and hockey, one fielding error, one pick 6, or one turnover for a goal can cost you the game. In basketball, one turnover for a dunk is just 2 points. You can make that up within 24 seconds on the next posession. That and playoff rounds are series, so even if a team gets lucky with one win, there's still more games to be played. It's telling that every NBA champion was seeded 1-3 in its conference except the 69 Celtics and 95 Rockets. If the Mavs come back to win this year, they'll be the 3rd. On top of that, the NBA has never really had any team "curses". If an otherwise great team fails to win a championship, they just weren't good enough. All other sports, there's at least some more luck involved
And that all comes down to frequency of scoring. In basketball everyone is going to score it’s more about maximizing your rate of scoring, at least in the NBA.
To me, there's one simple stat that shows this: the Stanley Cup playoffs actually have reverse sweeps (five, if I recall), including one in the Finals! Yes, that was in 1942, but the fact of the matter is that it still happened to begin with.
I don't know about MLB (I know Bo5 reverse sweeps have happened at least), but I know for a fact that it has never happened in the NBA, though there were some close calls that have gone to a game 7. It speaks to both the level of parity you spoke of and how the difference between a goal and a good defensive play can come down to a single fortunate--or unfortunate--bounce.
Another extremely important component of winning a Cup: An excellent goalie, or at least one that is hot during the playoffs. Excellent goaltending can make up for poor defensive play, scorers who aren't scoring, etc. etc. If your goalie isn't playing great in the playoffs, you're not going to win the Cup. I'd argue that the goaltender position in the NHL is the most important position in all of North American pro sports, with NFL QB being second.
Adding to that point, it's extremely rare for a player on the losing team to win the Conn Smythe aka Playoff MVP. The last person to do it was a goalie. I honestly feel Tuukka Rask should have won it in 2019 over Ryan O'Reilly too.
Bold claim. From a hockey perspective I would say they’re about equal. Although now that I think about it QB doesn’t play the entire game
Recently, Colorado and Vegas won with goalies cast off by Arizona.
Eh, plenty of mediocre goalies and quarterbacks have won championships... Like can you really tell me Grant Fuhr was some type of legend just because he played for the 80s oilers!?
@@zachroberts1988 Agree, but that was the firewagon hockey era of the 1980s were goals per game were at all-time highs. I'm talking about the NHL in the 21st century. Lower scoring games, especially in the playoffs. Take Game 1 of the finals. Bob stood on his head and the Panthers won the game despite the Oil dominating in high % offensive chances.
One of the hardest things about hockey is how many players you need play well multiplied by how many games you play. You have to win 16 games with 20+ guys playing at top form. No other sport even comes close to requiring that amount of consistency/coordination, and that's before you start considering the physicality of the sport. The Stanley Cup playoffs are an absolute bone grinder that test tenacity, temerity, toughness, and talent like no other.
Just take a look at the pregame of game 3 of the Stan Cup on Thursday. You're going to see players limping onto the ice. You're going to see several players with black eyes and abrasions on their faces. They are all beat to hell. Other sports certainly have players in the championship playing through injuries, but the NHL guys look like they were in a bad car crash on the way to the rink.
Avoid game 7s? Tell that to my 2014 Los Angeles Kings 👑🏆
It all worked out at the end of the day, however
I agree
MLB with no salary cap if you’re willing to spend you can have a pretty good chance to win and the teams that consistently spend usually win eventually
NBA if you get a superstar you have a chance. With smaller rosters and stars playing most of the minutes 1 player can impact the outcome more than any other sport
NFL a lot closer in difficulty, but the ability to cut players allows teams to get out of bad contracts quicker and more cleanly allowing them to recover quicker so probably easier.
Brodie, remember that the Sharks were really close to winning the Stanley Cup back in 2016, then they fell from grace that we finally crashed to the bottom last season. That is something we all need to understand how challenging it is to win it all, especially hockey’s most coveted prize. The Sharks have gotten the number 1 and 14 slots in the upcoming draft, which then begs the question: how much longer will the Bay Area have to wait before we finally hoist our first Stanley Cup trophy? We were super close to winning it all, losing the Penguins in the end; now, with where we are, how much longer will we wait before we even become playoff contenders, let alone be the Stanley Cup champions?
You could be right. My buddy played football and I played hockey. Football players make a ridiculous amount of money, especially compared to hockey players and football players play, what, 18 games at most a season. Hockey plays more than three times that. I asked my buddy why football plays so few games and his response was: "Because of the physical intensity of the sport, they get knocked around a lot." What a bunch of Nancy-boys so I took him to hockey games. HOCKEY IS PHYSICALLY BRUTAL!!! And playing three times as many games as football, come on! Really!?! Baseball is a lot of standing around. It's cushy. You dive in the field and run into the wall on occasion but, it's cushy. You're playing double-headers but, that's because they know you can handle it, again, a lot of standing around.
I think you're right. I wouldn't argue that. A lot of people are saying Soccer because it's the rest of the world but, the rest of the world spends a lot of time playing soccer so those who spend a rediculous amount of time playing are gonna be skilled. I don't know, I agree. Someone pointed out in a different video with the Stanley Cup Finals being put off a week to actually start, it's getting to where it's less time between seasons. You play the Stanley Cup Finals almost into July and then you gotta be ready by September, that's not a lot of time compared to other teams that either didn't make the playoffs or lost before the conference finals so, I think you could be right. Especially compared to football. Basketball? Yeah, it's not a very physically demanding sport.
I HAVE learned something this year though. So the saying goes "snitches get stitches" but in all the professions in the world, I've learned that athletes are the biggest snitches and will behave like children and will tattle on ANYTHING
New to your channel, love your work. Regarding Lord Stanley, I played hockey for 20 years back in Toronto starting at a young age. The conditioning it takes, the pain after every game. NHL players are the most conditioned athletes in the world. How long is an average NFL play last, 10-15 seconds (love the NFL). NBA, half the time they are just standing around in a defensive mode, sorry. MLB, what can I say. NHL players can go full tilt approximately for 60-90 seconds on frozen ice, like concrete, (not a soft cushion surface) banging each other, body checks. The speed these guys move is incredible. The boards don't give. It is the most physically hardest sport to play. Anyone see game 2 in Florida, the viciousness was mind blowing. You have 4 ounces of frozen rubber coming at you with speeds of 100 freaking miles an hour. That's why it is called the Black and Blue sport. Incredible respect for NHL hockey players. When playing midget- A hockey back in the day, I was hit so hard I saw stars, glass and boards don't give. Brodie, keep up the your great work, and good luck with your San Jose Sharks, great draft pick. Oh, the Women's new hockey league, The women are crazy, though chicks with all due respect to those women.
All these people over the years saying the Sharks are chokers. My brother in christ, it is such a tremendously difficult trophy to win. Sure our teams were absolutely stacked, but that only helps, it doesnt guarantee anything. People saying we wasted Pavelski, Marleau, Thornton's careers, acting as if they weren't trying to win every single night.
I've heard it argued that the Memorial Cup of the Canadian Hockey League is harder to win, at least in hockey. And I tend to agree.
First the team must win their league (QMJHL, OHL or WHL), or be the host city for this year's Memorial Cup tournament. Then they have to beat those other three teams in a round-robin tournament.
And as a player, you only have a 4 year window to win it if you are good (but not too good since you would get taken to the pros)
I feel like more than half the time, the best team in the CHL doesnt win the memorial cup purely because of how the tournament is structured.
@@zachroberts1988it's annoying when the host team wins, largely because they were eliminated in the first round of the playoffs, or didn't even make the playoffs, and have had all that time to rest and heal.
I think a three-team tournament with just the three leagues' champions would be better. But the CHL won't do that, because if the host city's team isn't in the tournament, attendance will be too low.
You also need great special teams. Need a great power play and a great penalty kill. Without those usually teams don’t stand a chance
The physicality of football, the pace and scheduleof basketball, the element of luck of soccer. The NHL cup is the pinnacle of sports trophies.
If I was a Canadian player dreaming of winning the Stanley Cup, I'd do everything I could do to still have a hypothetical chance by NOT playing for a Canadian franchise.
I have no idea because I’m hesistant to diminish any team’s championship wins. However, the statistic that the best regular season NHL teams have the lowest odds to win it all is alarming.
Wouldn’t disagree with that. Our Dolphins won their first Super Bowl 6 years after inception, Marlins 4 years after their inaugural season, Heat took 18 years and it looks like the Panthers will finally have one 31 years after their inception although they got very close 3 years after their inception.
My grandfather told me this same thing when I was a kid and over the years I have seen first hand that it was correct!!❤❤❤
It definitely is nothing compares to it 🏆🍶.
Thanks!
no thank you!
I think shortened NHL season to 70 to 74. So they don't play in June. They use to finish in May.
62 games sound better
Zero chance of that happening. More games = more tickets sold, more food / drink / merchandise sales, more TV revenue, etc. If top league executives and TV networks had their way, they'd also make every playoff game a one goal difference down to the wire and all series going 7 games.
One thing simple thing that makes it harder to win in hockey is that there is just less control of the outcome. Due to the basic tools of the sport. You have a stick trying to control a puck on ice, while you are skating. In football you have more control of the football, baseball you have more control of the baseball. basketball you have more control of the basketball. And better footing. It's easier to dominate in other sports.
You look at the amount of games during regular season then if you make playoffs all the way to Stanley cup you almost play another close to between quarter season to half another season and more completely exhausted play every game playoffs are so much more tough and like we sit now Florida and Edmonton it's 2 games to none for Florida and you could never count out the other team because things can change so fast but your right they start in September and will be end of June for cup to be handed out to the best team
Another thing about hockey is that your best skaters are only on the ice for roughly one period every game
Although that was a good summary, a huge factor wasn't even mentioned; The hitting goes WAY up and players start targeting the star players for other teams. It really becomes a brutal war of attrition.
I don't like that. Refs should call all penalties just like in the regular season - don't put the whistles away, it's garbage.
@@michaelmarkowski204 I was referring to mostly clean hits, but yes, they should continue to call penalties to the same standard.
I didn't know NFL playoff games and super bowl is one game that decides it until recently. I recoiled and said how is that fair at all?
2:54 *points at st louis in 2019* “uh…”
agree but how rare/uncommon is that? exerted their whole second half to even get a playoff spot
@@brodiebrazil thats why they were the exception and not the rule. Cant think of any other team to go from dead last to cup champion in approximately five months. They deserved it, both for the organization historically and their hard work during the run
100% correct
Only trophy that may be harder would be a world cup
It is. I dont care what anyone says. The amount of compete level is above all sports.
Agree and disagree. I agree it's the hardest to win based on amassing talent. There seems to be so much variance that upsets happen all the time, so being the most talented team guarantees very little. Contrast this with the NBA, if you have the most talented team by far, like the Warriors did, then really only injuries will hold you back. But on the other hand if you are the least talented team it's perhaps the easiest to win (though not easy in total terms). If you have the 10th most talented team in the NBA you are not winning. If you have the 10th most talented NHL team, your goalie could just go on a hot streak.
100% right on that distinction. The Kings won their first cup iirc as an 8th seed and Montreal made it to the Final in '21 as the team with the 18th best overall record. And it's funny now because the NBA is going to have six different champions in six years and baseball has five different in five years while the Lightning won back-to-back and made the Final three straight years and now Florida has gone to the Final back-to-back.
don cherry always said memorial cup is hardest.
Surely the Joe Redington Sr. Trophy is the hardest to win in all of sports.
Hardest to win if you're a dog.
NHL has a lot of luck naturally in the sport. Which makes it harder to win because you gotta play a team and puck luck
low key the most texan name and he plays for dallas.
When someone from Texas doesn't hear you the first time: "Seguin?" [say again?]
I would say winning an F1 driver’s championship is harder only due to how incredibly grueling and cutthroat the process is to getting into a position with a chance to win.
Difficult yes, but it lacks true competition. Since 2010, the drivers championship has been won by 4 drivers from only 3 teams. Put Max in a Williams and he is not a 3 time world champ and same could be said about Hamilton and Vettel. In some cases drivers are there because someone has paid for their seat or sponsors require them to be there the latest examples being Stroll whose dad owns the Aston Martin team and Yuki who is there because RB powertrain is Honda. If we are honest, most people love F1 for the drama not the competition me being one of them. This does not mean they do not have the skills to drive an F1 car but I believe most of the F2 drivers are more talented than half the F1 grid, it all just comes down to money. Sorry for the rant, I love F1 and other motorsports but the NHL and how crucial each person is to their success is why it is the hardest league/series to win.
Definitely the hardest trophy to win, just ask the Leafs
I wonder if there's a superstar, like Lil Joe Pavelski, does not get to win a cup. Or any superstar not to get a chance to play for the Stanley Cup?
Mats Sundin, Marcel Dionne, Borje Salming from a list I saw.
@@DampFrijoles Dionne is the most underrated player in NHL history. #6 all time in points at 1,771. #6 in goals with 731. Played in LA when the sport wasn't very popular there and most attention was given to teams in the East.
@@michaelmarkowski204 I think most people agree that Dionne is the best without a cup, so it's hard to call him underrated, but he's absolutely an amazing player.
lol that Stanley Cup is from 2007
There’s nothing harder to win. I watch a lot of sports and there’s not one one that comes close.
The Ashes is the hardest. Ask any Englishman
FIFA World Cup is the most difficult to win in all of sports. But, in North America yes Lord Stanley is the most difficult. But I love it.
Fútbol is not a sport. No one ever scores. And players fake injuries throughout every match.
Teams only need to win 5 or 6 games to get the world cup and a few of those might be against Iraq or Bolivia... You need 16 wins over 4 series to win the Stanley Cup and you don't get to play agaisnt some of the lower tier world cup opponents. It's actually not even close Stanley Cup is way harder
It is two different kinds of playoffs in my opinion. Even though there's less games in fifa world cup, it means every game has more weight to it. One mistake and it could be over. Also remember that you have to qualify for the world cup, the 32 teams in the world cup had to play a preliminary league in their continent. I still think winning the stanley cup is an incredible feat, and the most exhausting tournament in regards to the sheer physicality these guys have to endure. @ShawnBlaque
Nope it’s definitely the cup no contest
World Cup soccer may be the hardest to win if a team goes through numerous qualifying rounds and then makes a run to the championship final, but the team still plays once every 4-5 days and only plays each opponent once, not 4 to 7 times every other day. Not to mention the physicality aspect of hockey compared to soccer, and there's no shootouts or PKs to break ties.
23 man game roster + black aces... Not 40, Eh?
He was saying 40 dressed across both teams.
@@jeffe2267 Oh...that's different... NEVERMIND th-cam.com/video/OjYoNL4g5Vg/w-d-xo.html
World Cup is the hardest trophy to win, hands down...Just from sheer numbers, you only get 1 chance every 4 years...IF your a superstar player, you would be lucky to play in perhaps 3 WC tournaments in your entire career, most players end up playing 1....AND your locked into your country...Meaning you can't just BUY the cup....Look at a country like England, buys up all the international stars for the League, but they cant do the same for the National Team, and they haven't won shit in half a century....SOOO many Elite star players don't even whiff the cup because there from a country that doesn't have a strong talent pool....Haaland might be the best player now, and but his country doesn't even qualify for it....The World Cup is the holy grail of sports..
Not a league.
@@waynethera2712 Its still a trophy 😁
world cup soccer is harder
World cup is the hardest
World cup in soccer for sure. And I love both sports.
Nah
@@gtmo55mack20great argument 😂
MLB and the World Series is the hardest--despite adding more wild cards, they still have the fewest teams qualifying for the playoffs compated to the other major sports
🤣🤣🤣🤣 bunch of fat guys riding the injured reserve list..... 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 is that where Vegas got it from
Also, in MLB you have MULTIPLE teams that go 80+ years without winning or even getting back to the World Series (2016 was the first World Series for the Cubs since 1945 and obvs their first win since 1908). And we saw the Red Sox break an 86-year curse in '04 and the White Sox break an 88-year one the next year. The Leafs are the longest in the NHL at 1967.
MLB is probably the easiest one to win....
@@anubisgod23 tell that to San Diego, Seattle, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Baltimore. All over 40 years without winning one(and Seattle hasn't even APPEARED in a world series).
@@michaelbaucom4019 and? That in no way supports your point lol
tyler wore a 7-11 ad on his helmet, it really isn't that serious at all is it?
Oilers will win it this year.
its not and hasnt been for a while. The same teams are in the cup finals every year
It appears you are correct....in that "if" the NHL brass do not want a team to win the Stanley Cup or should I say "prefer" one team over another it appears they manipulate the officiating and disciplinary actions ....we have all seen and heard that the "regular" season officiating goes out the door during the playoffs....a fresh example of this is the dirty hit from Dr. Dry on Barkov last night .....clearly leaving the ice ,elevating in order to direct a clear elbow into the head of the best player on the ice and no suspension ....a " vicious " deliberate elbow first to the head .....so in a sense you are right... not only do teams need to beat the opposing team ....in the NHL you also need to be on the " right" team / side of the NHL in order to have favor with the officiating ....discipline being dispense or lack there of ....obvious manipulation of the rules
Re. league influence and officiating: Have you ever watched any Laker game....?
Why would the NHL purposely want the smaller fanbase to win? The league bases every decision off of money so why would they want the panthers to win over the oilers!? seriously? They would make way more money if a team like the oilers win... Same thing if the Rangers made it over the panthers, the ratings would be higher, the revenues would be up across the board as well.
So your argument really doesnt make any sense at all.
In North America, yes the Stanley Cup is extremely difficult to compared to any other.
However, FIFA World Cup is the most difficult to win in all of team sports.
Fútbol is not a sport. No one ever scores. And players fake injuries throughout every match.
No it’s not
Sorry Stanley Cup is waaaayyy harder to win
Man doesn't mention a non - American trophy and "claims all of sports"
Definitely a North American-centric podcast. I agree he should have put that disclaimer in, but having said that, what world sport is harder? Make your case.
@@Statsy10 I think the champions league is just as demanding of a schedule as the NHL. Rugby World Cup is more brutal from a physical perspective. Not to mention winning the FIFA World Cup and gold at the olympics is more pressure packed. I’m not saying these are harder to win just that I would put them in the same ballpark. Either way I think it’s a dumb question regardless.
@@jeremyarmstrong7093 I don't think it's a dumb question at all, and it's one that people that watch the Stanley Cup are able to appreciate because they understand what a relentless meat grinder it is. Comparing the Champions League to it is absolutely laughable. As for rugby, nobody can deny the physicality of one of the most brutal team sports on the planet, but I'm guessing you don't need to win 16 rugby matches to win a title, correct?
@@Statsy10 Most teams that win the Champions league play 50 plus matches in all competitions. That is a lot considering European football is one of the most physically demanding sports. You can win the Stanley Cup with a 57% win percentage. That is not winning you most other trophies. I haven't even mentioned the individual sports like winning the Tour de France or the minuscule odds it takes to win a major in golf or tennis. And maybe you don't get a trophy for it but in my POV winning a Iron Man triathlon is the biggest achievement in all of athletics.
@@jeremyarmstrong7093 "the Champions league play 50 plus matches in all competitions". Lol. NHL regular season alone is 82 games. Getting to the Stanley Cup final puts you at double the games of a Champions League team, and I also take issue with soccer being one the most physically demanding sports. I would put it in the lower half, actually. Also you do NOT need a good winning percentage to win the CL title, and can actually tie a series but win on the BS away goals rule. There are ties all over the place, not to mention games won in shootout, where NHL playoffs are play-until-someone-scores, even if that's another six periods of hockey.
As for the other sports you mentioned, golf takes talent but is the least gruelling sport of them all. Winning a major in Men's tennis is quite physically demanding (5 setters are brutal), but it only takes two weeks and we all know the only hitting in tennis involves the ball. Not much bodychecking. LOL
Tour de France is one of the most gruelling things I can think of, so perhaps it's one of the top contenders for what we're talking about. And we may well be in agreement about the Ironman, as I do think it is a top athletic achievement. And then there are the Ultramarathons and such, but of course these aren't team sports which brings us back around to the Stanley Cup being the hardest to endure. One day if you watch a season start to finish, you may understand that.
I believe the FIFA World Cup is the hardest trophy to win!
Honestly . The Stanley Cup is way better than the Superbowl. Cause the Super Bowl is rig .
No way!! The world cup and the euro cup because it's every 4vyears.
All of American sports**
Wimbledon, Fifa world cup are both harder to win. Maybe even the Roland Garros
It just isn't. No statistic back it up. Teams have many players that do not need to play to win it every year. Hockey is not a big sport in the world so few people play it. When you feel tired just take a break. In some sports that is not an option. Players really do not even cover a large distance when playing. To call it HARDEST to win is an insult.
sounds like you haven’t watched a single hockey game in your life
its not hard at all. Half of the teams make the playoffs, and due to the NHL's cheapness you don;t even have to play the top seed in rounds 1 or 2 since they base it on geography instead of merit.
I love hockey, but you all live in a bubble.