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And because of the greed of a few men vying for ultimate power, who saw themselves as the next Alexander, the Greeks fought amongst themselves to the breaking point, allowing the slave-state of Roma to rise and conquer further east.
Yet reality is Alexander's life and achievements were royally trashed by literally everyone around him in repeated fit's of self entitlement and greed. So such a series would be a bittersweet affair.
I've been saying that for years! I could see the show starting at the death of Alexander, w his only line being " the strongest". It could be as big as GOT if done well and would have the added benefit of being real! If there was one smart studio out there they'd make it, but no. We get The Acolyte instead! Lol
Can we all appreciate that K&G takes the time to not only make new content but also redo old content to give it more justice. I dont know any other channel that does that❤
@@kingtryfon5702They were defeated in what, 3 battles tops? The Persians resisted Alexander for far longer and the guy was actively trying to conquer the entire empire.
One what if I like is what if they aloud Hannibal to command his own army instead of assigning him to a navy (Hannibal had been exiled from Carthage so he joined the Selucids to fight rome)
@@TheREPPIX he joined his mother city tyre but a more interesting idea is before zama hannibal requested aid from the phonecians, seleucids, and antigonid macedon for aid. It would've been a monster of a coalition only rivaled by the one to overthrow napoleon.
@@lisboah true but look at the other wars with the greeks the roman had, like pyrrhus was defeated in 3 battles, Phillip V was beaten in 2 battles, and Perseus II was beaten solely at cynocephale. Its astounding the seleucids could field 3 armies to fight the romans. Also antiochus lost in Asia to the scipio Brothers so there isn't much shame in losing to some of rome's best.
@@lisboah Most were too occupied battling each other while he made sure to build an extensive relationship network in the capital city. And such thing has proven to be an invaluable asset during history. Look at the Roman Empire. Look at the French Revolution. Look at most Chinese dinasties. The moment you got a firm grasp of the capital, you could take the whole thing.
All in all Kassander gets the blame, but the other Diadochi were thinking of eventually eliminating the Argead line. Whether Antigonus, Seleukos, Ptolemy, or even Lysimachus had won the whole empire in another timeline, Alexander IV or Heracles would have been like the child emperors in China, served their purpose but now no longer necessary.
How did you cope with the abysmal source situations? Books I've read on the subject mostly just skip it and note there's nothing that be said with any confidence.
@@QuantumHistorian There's a pillar Seleukos has commissioned after the war that explained his point of view of the war. While parts of it were destroyed due to time and wars over that time, what historians have been able to decipher has been key to understanding the Babylonian War. Add to that the sparse Greek sources we have and speculations from modern historians and tacticians and you're able to get a more in depth picture than you'd expect.
"Greeks could rule the world. Alexander did. He took a Greek army to the far Indus. There was nothing left to conquer; the world was his. But Alexander is dead. His empire is gone. And so we live in evil days; the free men of Greece have turned on each other, instead of their proper enemies: those who envy all the Greeks have done. Alexander must weep, if the dead weep. I will weep in his place, but I will also hope. The world turns; what was may come again. The Fates still spin the web of men's lives. So now, perhaps the gods wish Greeks to be great again. Perhaps a new Alexander will take up the sword, bring order where there is chaos, remake the world of men into a better place...perhaps." Greek campaign intro speech from Rome: Total War
so happy to hear more about my bro Antigonos the cyclop. I love how deep these videos go, and the fact everything is even deeper and that the truth will never be fully known makes it even more mystical
How likely is it that Seleukos simply didn't get the memo about the peace between the Diadochi, because he was out campaigning to consolidate his power and the message never reached him or sth? And then when he never showed up for the meeting, they just assumed that he had made a statement by not attending, and that it was war. I like that you used the music from the opening cutscene in Rome: Total War: Alexander for the intro btw
Just imagine if Kleopatra managed to escape to Egypt and make an heir for Alexander's family, name him Alexander and he reconquers the empire. Damn. We whould get so much content
Hello, I have been watching your videos for a while now and enjoy the detailed discussions you make on history. I would truly appreciate if you make a video on history of Bengal (culture,language etc.). 😀
First of all: Very nice video as always! 😌 Second: Could you maybe rework / make a new series on the Napoleonic Wars and / or Seven Years War in the future please? Both are very important and interesting chapters of history. Thanks a lot!
Thank you guys for yet another excellent piece of history. I look forward to future videos regarding the Seleucids! God be with you out there, everybody. ✝️ :)
15:22 , Cleopatra never married Antipater? Her only husband(on a more official scale, that actually met her after ''marrying'', and we know of) is Alexander I of Epirus.
Amazingly done as always but I would like to ask a question to you I've looked at all of your videos you haven't done any video on the neo Babylonian Empire and there wars against Egyptians Assyrians Phoenicians Jews and Arabia and also I've always had a question it is said that Nebuchadnezzar went with his troops to Lydia if you could describe why in your video it would be amazing so why have you not made any video on such a fascinating empire is my main question?
This is why you always have an up to date will. Leaving your beneficiaries to figure out who the strongest amongst them is tends not to work out so great.
Patrokles, the defender during the second siege of Babylon, was a geologist, and theorized that the Caspian sea may be a gate to a northern ocean. Demetrios of Phalerus the tyrant ousted by Demetrios Poliocrates, fled to Ptolemy and he constructed the "Great Pharos of Alexandria", (the lighthouse)
Interesting stuff. Though you probably meant the Library of Alexandria and not the lighthouse, which apparently was built about half a century later. Still nice of you to mention such an important contribution to history 🙂
hey kings and generals, can you do the history of the kingdom of scotland from its formation to the reign of longshanks and when it became part of the uk?
Is there any link between the seljuks and the selucids, considering the names are very similiar and both empires were established in roughly the same area.
This reminds me of Odysseus and Achilles dialogue in Troy where Odysseus asked Achilles to fight for the greeks and Achilles gasps and replies: "are they tired of fighting each other?"
That is indeed correct; however Seleukos and Apama claimed she was Darius's daughter to gain political legitimacy in Persia and the broader region (as mentioned in the narration). It was part of a broader strategy; essentially what is outlined in the video in terms of buying out local support and using existing social networks present in Persia and Media from the Achaemenid period.
@@ChrisTheLoneWanderer Actually makes you think of what Apama herself thought of that, or perhaps if it was her own idea. Shame that we don't have anything on her character or role (or actually relationship with Seleucos, them maintaining their marriage could indicate a very interesting personal story).
I wonder how do Macedonian style phalangites fight in non-formational battles like the night surprise attack on camp, or siege / city fightings, do they leave their 5.5 meter spear at their own camp and just bring their sword? I think even a hoplite spear at 2.5 meters feel unwieldy in these situations.
*Antigonos:* Guys, Kassander just killed more of Alexander's family! He had them murdered, in cold blood. I mean, who even does such a thing? *Ptolemy:* Say, whatever happened to his sister, Kleopatra? I hear she was in your custody. I wonder what became of her. *Antigonos:* She eh- fell out of a window. Tragedy, really. *Kassander:* No she didn't, you had your soldiers murd- *Antigonos:* Oh hey, look! A window. Better shut your mouth before you take a nasty fall.
I was wondering but can you do videos on the Greco bactrian and the Indo Greek kingdoms and I am asking because I am interested in the greek peoples in India after the death of Alexander the Great.
And because of the greed of a few men vying for ultimate power, who saw themselves as the next Alexander, the Greeks fought amongst themselves to the breaking point, allowing the slave-state of Roma to rise.
The map is a little inaccurate, Nikomedia wasn't founded until 264 BC (half a century after this timeline) and was actually called Astacus during this period. Also while it is true Byzantium existed during this period, Lysimachos founded his capital of Lysimachia ca. 309 BC which lay more west of Byzantium
Antigonus should have unalived Seleucus upon arrival in Babylon is 315 BC. "Selucus, grrrrreat seeing you ole buddy ole pal. Come here and give me a hug you ole so and so...Oh dear...I am such a clutz! I seem to have accidentally sunk my xiphos short sword into your thoracic cavity. Geez, that's gonna probably leave a mark. Why don't you lay down over there on the sofa and we'll get you some hemlock I mean water. I'll be right back..."
interesting, no one tried to get allies among neighboring countries - Qidarites, Atropatine, Armenia. In Total War I would try to get those allies to secure the wings while I was dealing with the main enemy.
We all can see where Eastern Rome inherited its court politics from. After studying Hellenistic Kingdoms i believe it is not so mad to claim that ERE was the last Successor Kingdom. An Antony and Cleopatra revenge on Octavian from the grave.
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And because of the greed of a few men vying for ultimate power, who saw themselves as the next Alexander, the Greeks fought amongst themselves to the breaking point, allowing the slave-state of Roma to rise and conquer further east.
I am a huge fan of your work. Great job! However I want to see the final conclusion of the Diadochi Wars as I found them very interesting.
@@ayanfebolofinde thanks. Episodes take time
I really wish there was a series with Game of Thrones budget about the Diadochi. But first it will need a mini-series about Alexander's life
I've never seen (nor cared to) Games of Thrones. I loved Rome and Gunpowder. A diadochi war series by those producers would indeed be amazing.
Yes, this would be cool
Yet reality is Alexander's life and achievements were royally trashed by literally everyone around him in repeated fit's of self entitlement and greed.
So such a series would be a bittersweet affair.
@@flackstar007game of thrones is pretty bittersweet
I've been saying that for years! I could see the show starting at the death of Alexander, w his only line being " the strongest". It could be as big as GOT if done well and would have the added benefit of being real! If there was one smart studio out there they'd make it, but no. We get The Acolyte instead! Lol
Hearing Rome's Greek Intro theme at the start was amazing, excellent choice of music.
Can we all appreciate that K&G takes the time to not only make new content but also redo old content to give it more justice. I dont know any other channel that does that❤
Thanks. Indeed, the goal is to cover the events in more detail and with better graphics.
@@KingsandGeneralswaiting for a series on Maratha or Mughals please 🥺
That Kassander guy was a real bastard, killing Alexander's entire line just to stay in power.
Little he knew he was doing a favor to the world.
@@andresestupinan2331 How so?
Most likely the guy behind his death as well
It's a pity Seleucids lose in such an embarrassing way to Rome otherwise they would be much better known. They're a fascinating what-if scenario.
it wasnt really an embarrassing way
@@kingtryfon5702They were defeated in what, 3 battles tops? The Persians resisted Alexander for far longer and the guy was actively trying to conquer the entire empire.
One what if I like is what if they aloud Hannibal to command his own army instead of assigning him to a navy (Hannibal had been exiled from Carthage so he joined the Selucids to fight rome)
@@TheREPPIX he joined his mother city tyre but a more interesting idea is before zama hannibal requested aid from the phonecians, seleucids, and antigonid macedon for aid. It would've been a monster of a coalition only rivaled by the one to overthrow napoleon.
@@lisboah true but look at the other wars with the greeks the roman had, like pyrrhus was defeated in 3 battles, Phillip V was beaten in 2 battles, and Perseus II was beaten solely at cynocephale. Its astounding the seleucids could field 3 armies to fight the romans. Also antiochus lost in Asia to the scipio Brothers so there isn't much shame in losing to some of rome's best.
Seleukos was a wily shrewd fox.
So is your mom...tell her hello for me will ya 😘
Started as the weakest, ended up with the largest empire.
Indeed
@@lisboah Most were too occupied battling each other while he made sure to build an extensive relationship network in the capital city. And such thing has proven to be an invaluable asset during history.
Look at the Roman Empire. Look at the French Revolution. Look at most Chinese dinasties. The moment you got a firm grasp of the capital, you could take the whole thing.
@@lisboah Not surprising, after all he was the Strongest
All in all Kassander gets the blame, but the other Diadochi were thinking of eventually eliminating the Argead line. Whether Antigonus, Seleukos, Ptolemy, or even Lysimachus had won the whole empire in another timeline, Alexander IV or Heracles would have been like the child emperors in China, served their purpose but now no longer necessary.
Basicly an expression of "too soon"
Man I hate Kassander, fuck him. Murdered the true successor.
(sorry for hating him on your comment, have a great day good sir)
We have no way of knowing that
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
"It was revealed to me in a dream (by Alexander)" is actually older than I suspected.
How do you think religions get started? It's either a drug induced stupor/revelation or dreams.
@@tripsaplenty1227 not really, more like folklore and legend with a mixture of reality
@@youreright...1284
where did the folklore and legends come from?
@@tripsaplenty1227Of the righteous human beings who turned to God
Even modern politicians use it
Diadochi: Killing each other and fighting massive wars
Lysimachus (so far): Stays in Thrace twiddling thumbs and biding time
I think he has some clashes with the Dacian and Thracian tribes, but, overall, relatively calm
This is so fascinating to watch how this all plays out.
"Somehow, Nikator has returned."
"To you, killing Alexander's son was the most important day of your life. But for me, it was only Tuesday."
Okay, general Bison
M.bison or Vega is in the house
I absolutely love how you use Rome IIs graphics and illustrations in these videos. Feels like an extension of the game.
I did a research paper on this part of the war. Still my favorite paper I've ever written.
How did you cope with the abysmal source situations? Books I've read on the subject mostly just skip it and note there's nothing that be said with any confidence.
@@QuantumHistorian There's a pillar Seleukos has commissioned after the war that explained his point of view of the war. While parts of it were destroyed due to time and wars over that time, what historians have been able to decipher has been key to understanding the Babylonian War. Add to that the sparse Greek sources we have and speculations from modern historians and tacticians and you're able to get a more in depth picture than you'd expect.
@@QuantumHistorian The Babylonian chronicles in the British museum, are translated online.
"Greeks could rule the world. Alexander did. He took a Greek army to the far Indus. There was nothing left to conquer; the world was his. But Alexander is dead. His empire is gone. And so we live in evil days; the free men of Greece have turned on each other, instead of their proper enemies: those who envy all the Greeks have done. Alexander must weep, if the dead weep. I will weep in his place, but I will also hope. The world turns; what was may come again. The Fates still spin the web of men's lives. So now, perhaps the gods wish Greeks to be great again. Perhaps a new Alexander will take up the sword, bring order where there is chaos, remake the world of men into a better place...perhaps." Greek campaign intro speech from Rome: Total War
Another Excellent video from K&G.
so happy to hear more about my bro Antigonos the cyclop.
I love how deep these videos go, and the fact everything is even deeper and that the truth will never be fully known makes it even more mystical
How likely is it that Seleukos simply didn't get the memo about the peace between the Diadochi, because he was out campaigning to consolidate his power and the message never reached him or sth? And then when he never showed up for the meeting, they just assumed that he had made a statement by not attending, and that it was war.
I like that you used the music from the opening cutscene in Rome: Total War: Alexander for the intro btw
Just imagine if Kleopatra managed to escape to Egypt and make an heir for Alexander's family, name him Alexander and he reconquers the empire. Damn. We whould get so much content
Alexander's successors (mainly Ptolemy) is what got me into history. I love this series so much and I can't wait for every video this channel drops!
Hello, I have been watching your videos for a while now and enjoy the detailed discussions you make on history. I would truly appreciate if you make a video on history of Bengal (culture,language etc.). 😀
Another amazing video KnG! like always.
It's kinda funny that the real winner of the wars of the diadochi was rome.
The constant wars literally left everything open from Egypt to Macedonia to Asia minor til Mesopotamia
Who knew that fighting yourselfs nonstop for generations is a bad strategy.
@@zombieoverlord5173Must be some kind of ancient greek tradition.
It might be I guess we will never know.
Eastern Romans X Sassanians = Caliphate takeover.
Once more, @KingsandGenerals succeed in making the best history video’s possible👌👌👌
Looking forward to the next episode!
The very best series on the successors of Alexander out there!
Never expected less.
Congratulations!
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I very much enjoyed your video and I gave it a Thumbs Up
Terrific! This is one of K&G's finest series yet!😎🔥⚔
First of all: Very nice video as always! 😌
Second: Could you maybe rework / make a new series on the Napoleonic Wars and / or Seven Years War in the future please? Both are very important and interesting chapters of history. Thanks a lot!
That Greek City States Soundtrack on the Intro is just ... Chef's kiss 😙🤌
Thank you guys for yet another excellent piece of history. I look forward to future videos regarding the Seleucids!
God be with you out there, everybody. ✝️ :)
please make a video on Nader Shah soon
Can you do a video of 3D tour of Chang'an, the capital of the Tang Dynasty? Just like how you did with Thebes and Alexandria videos.
Yeah I love k&g channel I love the ancient and modern info I get and learn
total war greek intro music still sends shivers down my spine : )
15:22 , Cleopatra never married Antipater? Her only husband(on a more official scale, that actually met her after ''marrying'', and we know of) is Alexander I of Epirus.
Amazingly done as always but I would like to ask a question to you I've looked at all of your videos you haven't done any video on the neo Babylonian Empire and there wars against Egyptians Assyrians Phoenicians Jews and Arabia and also I've always had a question it is said that Nebuchadnezzar went with his troops to Lydia if you could describe why in your video it would be amazing so why have you not made any video on such a fascinating empire is my main question?
Antigonos: i'll send Demetrios, surely he wont screw up this time
Demetrios: hold my souvlaki
The Diadochi Wars series one Of my Favourite.
Wow that was awesome and epic!
Total War Rome I, i wont forget that music used in Intro. Just Wow, it is so clean.
Please do a video on The Battle Of Fishguard, the last invasion of Britain
I LOVE THE DIADOCHI VEDIOS. the best VEDIOS!
Alexander the great dies.
His generals: its a real free estate.
Reminds me of when the last Umayyad caliph in Cordoba died, the taifa kingdoms were like: it's free real estate
This is why you always have an up to date will. Leaving your beneficiaries to figure out who the strongest amongst them is tends not to work out so great.
@@garethgobulcoque8668 Tbh it will still probably lead to war.
@@garethgobulcoque8668Seeing how things went, these guys would have ignored the will. They murdered Alexander's family and even robbed his corpse.
Incredible!
Excellent video 📹
Seluccus- the man who would be Alexander
Thank you!
Brilliant videos, what an interesting time in history.
It's time for some *Age of Empires I in Age of Empires II engine (Return of Rome DLC)* Macedonians campaign.
Thanks for the video
I wonder how Alexander the Great would look upon the War of the Diadochi and the killings of so many members of this family. Great video.
Alexander had his share of relatives killing. He wasn't any better than his generals.
@@Alexanderrr3rAlexander: I don't kill children or kings
@@عليياسر-ف4ن9ك en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amyntas_IV_of_Macedon proved him lying.
excellent as always
Love your videos, can you make a video on Sudanese history? ❤
Never heard of the Antigonos before, now I know why.
I love Ancient History I wish I lived back in those times
Patrokles, the defender during the second siege of Babylon, was a geologist, and theorized that the Caspian sea may be a gate to a northern ocean.
Demetrios of Phalerus the tyrant ousted by Demetrios Poliocrates, fled to Ptolemy and he constructed the "Great Pharos of Alexandria", (the lighthouse)
Interesting stuff. Though you probably meant the Library of Alexandria and not the lighthouse, which apparently was built about half a century later. Still nice of you to mention such an important contribution to history 🙂
hey kings and generals, can you do the history of the kingdom of scotland from its formation to the reign of longshanks and when it became part of the uk?
I was gonna say, maybe hopefully in the future videos, you guys should change seleucis picture to his statue
What stabilization tools were used for the shots in this video?
Is there any link between the seljuks and the selucids, considering the names are very similiar and both empires were established in roughly the same area.
No
@@KingsandGenerals Strange though
@@mustafazakir9738 not really
@@KingsandGenerals ok
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Please make a video on Bahmani Sultanate
You know thats gonna be banger when rome tw opening theme starts :)
Hello king and general can you make a video the marawi siege on your modern warfare videos if you can make this thank you😊
Amazing Vídeo.
This reminds me of Odysseus and Achilles dialogue in Troy where Odysseus asked Achilles to fight for the greeks and Achilles gasps and replies: "are they tired of fighting each other?"
Georgians armenians amd greeks habe been so close for so many years its fascinating
True, but they were divided by the mongols 👉🇹🇷
@@reginageorge4they were divided already at that times. Centuries before Mongols.
The tone of the battle horn said "Go whoop their aaaaaaaaassssssss!"
Apama is actually the daughter of Spitamenes
That is indeed correct; however Seleukos and Apama claimed she was Darius's daughter to gain political legitimacy in Persia and the broader region (as mentioned in the narration). It was part of a broader strategy; essentially what is outlined in the video in terms of buying out local support and using existing social networks present in Persia and Media from the Achaemenid period.
@@ChrisTheLoneWanderer Actually makes you think of what Apama herself thought of that, or perhaps if it was her own idea. Shame that we don't have anything on her character or role (or actually relationship with Seleucos, them maintaining their marriage could indicate a very interesting personal story).
Great video
Very informative ❤
Som vanligt hög kvalitè på innehållet.
Wonderful
What the name of the OST in minute 5 til minute 7:50 !?
Lovely 👌🏻
A battle of the Diadochi Wars took place not only in the ancient city of Hammurabi and Nebuchadnezzar but also at the site of Alexander's death!
I wonder how do Macedonian style phalangites fight in non-formational battles like the night surprise attack on camp, or siege / city fightings, do they leave their 5.5 meter spear at their own camp and just bring their sword? I think even a hoplite spear at 2.5 meters feel unwieldy in these situations.
Well , the Corinthian helmet was extinct for a century and a half but I suppose it's ok to use it for the shake of your views K&G ❤
I’ve never seen that bust of seleucus before
thank you~!
*Antigonos:* Guys, Kassander just killed more of Alexander's family! He had them murdered, in cold blood. I mean, who even does such a thing?
*Ptolemy:* Say, whatever happened to his sister, Kleopatra? I hear she was in your custody. I wonder what became of her.
*Antigonos:* She eh- fell out of a window. Tragedy, really.
*Kassander:* No she didn't, you had your soldiers murd-
*Antigonos:* Oh hey, look! A window. Better shut your mouth before you take a nasty fall.
I was wondering but can you do videos on the Greco bactrian and the Indo Greek kingdoms and I am asking because I am interested in the greek peoples in India after the death of Alexander the Great.
And because of the greed of a few men vying for ultimate power, who saw themselves as the next Alexander, the Greeks fought amongst themselves to the breaking point, allowing the slave-state of Roma to rise.
This is what we call survivorship bias. Alexander was just like them before he succeeded. You never know if you are gonna succeed.
Babylon was about as ancient to the Diadochi as the Diadochi are to us, I wonder what they thought seeing all those ancient structures
Soon that boot shaped Country west of Kassander will be like: Heyyy....
The map is a little inaccurate, Nikomedia wasn't founded until 264 BC (half a century after this timeline) and was actually called Astacus during this period. Also while it is true Byzantium existed during this period, Lysimachos founded his capital of Lysimachia ca. 309 BC which lay more west of Byzantium
Lysimacheia is in the Hellespont, near the ancient city of Kardia, birthplace of Eumenes.
@@helicongremory8480 yes, which is a little bit west of Byzantium.
Nice
Good
For the algorithm!
Antigonus should have unalived Seleucus upon arrival in Babylon is 315 BC. "Selucus, grrrrreat seeing you ole buddy ole pal. Come here and give me a hug you ole so and so...Oh dear...I am such a clutz! I seem to have accidentally sunk my xiphos short sword into your thoracic cavity. Geez, that's gonna probably leave a mark. Why don't you lay down over there on the sofa and we'll get you some hemlock I mean water. I'll be right back..."
So this is when Imperator Rome begins
interesting,
no one tried to get allies among neighboring countries - Qidarites, Atropatine, Armenia. In Total War I would try to get those allies to secure the wings while I was dealing with the main enemy.
Once again, collective hate to Cassander.
Wow what a reversal of fortunes
Epic
Alexander and Napoleon..neither established a dynasty that survived. But, their generals did
We all can see where Eastern Rome inherited its court politics from. After studying Hellenistic Kingdoms i believe it is not so mad to claim that ERE was the last Successor Kingdom. An Antony and Cleopatra revenge on Octavian from the grave.
Have anyone ever asked the "what-if" question about the Babylonian War before? If not, may I be the first?
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