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I really don't like that Red Super Saiyan is called Super Saiyan God instead of Saiyan God, as it's basically god ki+base form. I would wish Super Saiyan Blue to be called Super Saiyan God instead of the red one.
I've been thinking the same thing for a while. Problem is that SSB was not thought of when SSG came about. One of the downsides of Akira's more off the cuff writing style. Would have been great if Dragon Ball Super retconned the names. But it may have just made things confusing.
I don’t like this either, but it’s worth noting that SSJB isn’t actually SSJB, it’s just a shortened name made by Goku, Vegeta and Whis because it originally was a tongue twister. The actual name is of course SSJGSSJ or SSGSS, which makes sense as there’s two SSJs in it.
@@link1565V2 More like someone high up at toei shoehorned for blue/a new transformation to sell more toys. Ssb was a mistake & hopefully Toyo can fully drop the form out of the manga once it returns.
@@Shorts-wb4hqNo it isn't, SSJG has a multitude of differences to base, SSJ and SSJB. I can, of the top of my head, name 7, one for each dragon ball. 1. SSJG is the first canonical transformation to ever have a different aura colour to hair colour 2. SSJG is the first transformation in canon and non-canon to have a texture in the aura in the burning inferno it is 3. SSJG makes Goku look leaner 4. SSJG makes Goku look younger 5. SSJG is the first transformation to increase clothes and skin saturation rather than merely brightening it and yet remains the only one to do so. 6. SSJG is the first and still only transformation where the hair colour has a colour gradient: red-pink and arguably only if light is not a factor. 7. It's also the first transformation to keep the base form hair. SSJB has none of this and is just a lazy recolour of SSJ.
True. SSGJ is almost a technique, where you simply alter your ki to be divine filled. Almost making it a fluid form like MUI, compared to SSGSSJ which is like SSJ in that it is a straight power reach, powerhouse form. It makes sense why Goku and Vegeta both went SSGJ against Broly, yet they went straight to SSGSS for Jiren. Jiren is such a controlled and fluid fighter that the only way to beat him would be raw power, like we saw with Goku and Frieza (other than mui but that is obviously too strong too). Whereas with Broly, Goku and Vegeta recognize his power and non controllable style, realizing it makes no sense to go blue kiaoken or evolution because they cant go past Broly with power unless they SERIOUSLY surpass him due to his never ending power rising constantly. Gogeta Blue was miles ahead so that was the answer. Clearly, they knew as individuals it would require finess to beat him. Which explains maybe why Goku almost went MUI while powering up. He may have been trying to tap into it to out finesse Broly, but he realized he couldnt transform mid power up so he settled for blue to try and cook.)@@saintreem
@@saintreemand I think what I said has context clues like the hair being in a relaxed state only during base, ssgj, and mui, and maybe even kiaoken. Implying these are simply techniques with different purposes. Whereas any form that required ssj ability his hair stands up as a clear indicator of a massive inward surge of power in his saiyan cells.
I personally think they should never have done SSB. Having SSG fighting Freeza would still be a cool reveal ( _"Oh Cool! Goku has learned to use SSG at will"_ ) And then having Vegeta do it as well, would still have been Hype.
@@BucketWasTakenTwiceyeah the manga utilize SSJ God more, especially on the earlier arc where Super Saiyan Blue was still "Unstable". I remember in the U7 vs U6 arc Goku only use SSJ Blue in short bursts switching back and forth with SSJ God while attacking when fighting Hit instead of straight up transforming into Blue the whole fight. It's also nice to see that Super Broly movie thankfully utilized the red form a decent amount (granted, Broly did beat the crap out of Goku) before Goku goes to Blue.
If I'm being Fr with you... SSGSSB is 50x stronger than SSG but it literally doesn't feel that way, in the anime and manga it just feels like a 10x multiplier at most
@@michaelmamba1578 It Was Literaly Stated That SSGSSB Is A A Super Saiyan Form Which Has × 50 Multiplier + Super Saiyan God Form Which Has × 20,000 Multiplier Which Is = × 1,000,000 Multiplier.
@@DarthHide1234 you might wanna go and rewatch that cuz ik what ur referring to and he says “this is a super saiyan form of a saiyan who has the powers of a super saiyan god”, ie a super saiyan with god ki but because db goofies want to see the highest power level they ALWAYS assume the highest jump possible. If they meant a 50x multiplier wouldn’t they have just said that? I mean ultimately it’s up to interpretation cuz we technically don’t have a correct answer(even tho some speculations make more sense considering that ssg was better in some situations, but yes blue is overall stronger) but it makes more sense that’s it’s NOT a 50x multiplier just like an ssj3 is only 4 times stronger than ssj2🤷♂️
@@DarthHide1234 and it wasn’t “literaly” stated lmao u just thought. Also why can’t it be base x50 then the god multiplier kicks in. Properties of multiplication. You might wanna learn them
slight correction at 6:18, its not that gokus super saiyan god was stronger than vegetas blue, as stated by whis vegeta used it to much in one day and due to the energy drain of Blue vegeta wasnt able to use any more than 10 percent of its power, not because his blue is inheirently weaker than gokus god form, but just that his energy had been exhausted, but since goku hadnt used blue yet, his energy wasnt exhausted so god was more than enough to deal with hit, had vegeta not wanted to show off his strength and superiority of the blue form he could have also dealt with hit in god with relative ease, hope that clears things up
@breu5747 no, it was literally said by whis he can't even use 10% of his power, given the fact that we aren't told a number less than that the weakest we can put him at is 1/10th of his power, about 10 percent or slightly less
Yes gokus God was stronger than vegetas weakened blue, no the multiplier isn't less than 50x god, would the information conflict with itself, yes, bit those are the facts of the series, yes it seems contradictory but it is what it is
5:14 I'm almost certain the healing ability was linked to the rising power that the Super Saiyan God ritual gave. Once it stopped rising, the healing disappeared.
@AventSir Depends, Ssjg was far less draining, but when Goku and Vegeta perfected Ssjb, it became a lot better by far. But even with regular ssjb, I'd still say it's so much stronger where it might balance out the disadvantages with the ki drain. But the most effective way would just be to go blue on impact, but the rest of the battle maintain ssjg, just like they did in the Goku Black arc.
8:35 is why I think the argument of SSj4 vs Blue is ridiculous. SSjG would already be a higher multiplier then SSj4 is, he’d never even make it to Blue.
@ Cooler? 100%. But the jump in power Goku would have to have had for SSJ4 to be on God Goku’s level is far beyond what we can see from Goku in GT at any point in the anime
Yeah, 6:18 was a pretty big miss tbh. You even showed the panel where Whis explained why Goku was stronger than Vegeta in the Hit fight and still glossed over it, painting a narrative that Goku had better mastery over the form when that wasn't the reason for his better performance at all.
Yeah wasn’t it because Vegeta had went blue against Cabba to “show off” so when he entered the form again he was only able to use like 10% of his actual strength?
1.000X multiplier over base form seems pretty insane. By now his base form is stronger than SSJ in Namek. This would make SSG hundreds of times star-buster level.
9:31 No matter how many explainations I get, it would have made way more sense for the red form to be called "Sayian God" and the blue form to be "Super Sayian God". The one exception is that it took Super Sayians to come together to make it. So it would be odd that super sayians would produce a regular sayian power. But we can ignore that if we considered that it was their power combining that made the transformation and not their type of power. Just the amount. As he stated in the video, the red for is diffferent from the blue form, hes skinnier, sort of uniquely adjusted. Where as the blue form is literally just the blonde form but with blue color visually.
5:20 it's theorized this happaned causs the saiyan spirit, the saiyan that first achived Super Saiyan died with regret, their soul wandered the universe with the Saiyan God prophechy, once goku performed the ritual, the saiyan soul was summoned and gave goku god Ki That's why in the fight Goku Himself even stated a voice in his head guided him on how to use God Ki effectively
Best way to view it is when Goku used these in the ToP against Jiren. SSG: Jiren was able to block everything with 1 finger SSB: Jiren now needs to use both his forearms to block yet he's still getting pushed around through rocks while doing so
I'd say if he's in for a long fight its better to go with ssg or do what vegeta did and keep switching. In a short fight however turning blue and pulling out the ki belt is far better.
that was a very interesting video, can you maka a video about vegeta's ssb evo? maybe in comparison with normal ssb or goku's ssb kaioken or even talking about vegeta's eyes an what they have to do with ssb... because your videos are amazing (especially dragon balls video or at least for me)
5:20 the reason why super Saiyan God could heal was just because of the ritual it wasn’t because Toriyama forgot it once Goku obtained got ki naturally the same spirit of the ritual that allowed him to heal wasn’t there.
Can you make a video about certain types of outsmarting “builds?” Builds that focus on FSIQ, Thinking, Reasoning (Lawliet). Builds that focus on EQ, SQ, Manipulation, Deception (Light), or builds that are hybrid (Koji). The main reason people have takes from Koji low diffing Light to Light mid diffing Koji is because they don’t know how certain types of outsmarting builds interact; fix that.
Just some slight corrections I noticed when watching The first is that there is a pretty massive difference between Ritual Super Saiyan God and normal Super Saiyan God Ritual Super Saiyan God has the self-healing and the time limit (due to having the life energy and ki of five other Saiyans, though Goku does just have healing powers in base anyway) normal Super Saiyan God has everything else Next, the main reason why it took him a while to get to full power in Battle of Gods is because he was getting used to that level of power the whole fight. The arc peaks with him getting a grasp on fully controlling the power for himself in one final push, because the entire time, his new level of strength is so incredibly high that he can hardly control it Final thing is that the Super Saiyan God powers aren't unique to Super Saiyan God; they just have a unique look because of the unique ki The only thing Goku really does in the form is trap someone's movements with ki, which Broly does immediately after (despite not having SSG) and Vegeta doesn't even use any unique abilities Other than that, great video, definitely gave a pretty great rundown
_Remember when Goku was fighting Jiren, when he transformed into super Saiyan God red form Jiren was able to block the hits with a finger, but when he became super Saiyan blue that’s when the fight truly engaged. I just wish they would do super Saiyan three with super Saiyan God._
Since super saiyan blue is a super saiyan god going super saiyan, when are we gonna get super saiyan blue 2, where a super saiyan god goes super saiyan 2, and then 3 and a weird 4 transformation
Great video! You actually know what you’re talking about and your video has great presentation! Your voice is very easy to listen to. You sound like vaatividya! Keep this up and you’ll be big! Easy sub :)
Super Saiyan Blue just looks terrible and feels tacky... Like, where does the blue come from? Would look much better just going into super Saiyan god form then powering up getting super saiyan hair with MAYBE a slight golden aura to complement the red. The reduced muscles also looks better, which they instantly removed in the bad blue form.
the reason i like super saiyan god as a better name is because it makes it sound like it is the god of all legendary super saiyans and that it is above a super saiyan
Vegeta gaining god ki on his own is just wild and undermines ssg (this means u6 saiyans might also gain god forms if they train with their respective destroyers)
SSGSS or Ssb this is not a debate yes red looks better and should have been the main form it’s crazy it’s 2024 and people have dumbass debates like this when is goku and Vegeta going to use weaker forms overtime just like the next villain is most likely stronger then the last
Have you thought about making a Dragon Ball playlist for these videos? It would make it easier for people to find them instead having to scroll through the channel.
Saw the title, doesn't the anime explain that super Saiyan blue is the super Saiyan version of super Saiyan god so it makes perfectly logical sense that blue is much stronger than red, don't need a video explaining that
I enjoyed the content of your video a lot, but the chromatic aberration filter made it very uncomfortable to watch. It was especially hard to read some of the text
I don't think the healing ability is exclusive to super saiyan god, I think it is exclusive to the ritual form of super saiyan god. There are distinct differences between the super saiyan god that goku can tap into vs the one acquired through the ritual. Theres a good video on the differences between ritual and normal super saiyan god, you should take a look at that.
One way to think of it is similarly to the cell saga in which trunks going Super Saiyan Grade 2. SSG: Basically the Mastered Super Saiyan form in Cell Saga SSB: SSG Grade 2 We can think of it like that as vegeta does get SSB Evolution which is a "Better" form of SSB, drawing out more power and speed with the same cost of stamina, essentially a Super Saiyan 2 on top of SSG.
Ngl we all know blue claps it’s literally god with super saiyan but god has better ki control and he could make it stronger seen in the manga when he mixed god and ui
I Love SSB , SSB was my SSJ 1 , it was my first Great Dragon Ball Transformation , SSB gived to me the Impact that SSJ 1 gave to Old Dragon Ball Fans , and it is make Sad that they did not made a Good Use of this Form ...
@ZangetsuGetsuga7 for me it was ui ( it self explanatory) but as for ssjb I really only start to like it recently after the top, broly movie and the Moro ark. It's mainly because they experimented more with the idea of using the right form at the right time.
Go through all this information just to come to conclusion that SSB > SSG, which is something everyone knew for years except for those few who thought red was faster than blue 🤦♂️
God Bind was one of the most coolest and well thought moves that represent the God form. I wish they had used more abilities like that for Super Saiyan God then have a better and more exciting transition to Super Saiyan Blue.
The SSJG to SSJB multiplier doesn't add up in the manga. Vegeta at 10% power is less than Hit, whose full power is around SSJG level, and Hit wasn't near full power when fighting Vegeta. This implies SSJB can't be more than a 10x multiplier to SSJG.
Power levels don't really mean anything anymore. Dragonball never really had consistent feats to actually judge characters' power vs. a baseline. At most you can just guess how much stronger one character is than another when they fight.
In terms of Skill, Hax and Fighting Style, overall Efficiency, I give it to God, in terms of Raw Power, it goes to Blue As it was stated for the Broly Movie, God is a Form where the User relies on Abilities, Tactics and Skill, the Ability to read and predict the Opponent, while Blue is to just Power through like a Bulldoze
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Debating super saiyan god and super saiyan blue is like debating super saiyan 1 and 2. Blue is literally the ascending form I would expect it to win. It’s 50x stronger so it’s winning regardless
It would've been cool if they made ssB weaker than ssG as the combination god and mortal ki with the mortal ki diluting the god ki makeing ssB weaker with them having to find a knew way to make ssG strong
Back when ssb was first announced/hinted at before we saw it in action a major part of the community thought it was going to be exactly like what you said a ssj just tapping into a bit of that god power, would of been way cooler tbh ssb blew the already crazy power scaling out of the water
I think the god ki has great potential as a concept if done correctly One thing I don't like is how Vegeta apparently got the form " all on his own" by training, the ritual should be the only way to obtain such power ( as well as needing to be a powerful mortal before accession ) or hell at least had to be part of that ritual in so they had a power rub from it Another thing that would help the whole power scaling issuses in super aka how the Z fighters all of a sudden become exponentially more powerful for the tournament of power and the like would this power run all the Z fighters have personal relationship with Goku effectively now a god, having a personal relationship with a god could give if inspiration, kinda sort of explaining how Killian could spar with blue Goku and somehow not get straight bodied
looks like they're trying to steer clear of just doing ssj2 and ssj3 but for god form with the ultra instinct and ultra ego, which I think is pretty cool
The number goes even higher when goku in his "false" ssg form was confident he could fight beerus. The same goku who immediately denounced the idea of fusing even working altogether Ssg>"false" ssg>fp vegito
He wasnt confident at all, he was just excited because it open a new path to become stronger. He also didn't know how strong he was and what do you mean "false"
@@sc-1918 He was confident he could fight beerus I mean "false" ssg because it was the empowered state goku got before he completed the form Vegeta even notes the ki as the greatest ki he ever felt, vegeta is 50% vegito
@sc-1918 Goku immediately shuts down the idea of fusing even working He then gets this "false" ssg state and was ready to fight beerus had whis not mention him failing/ not attaining the ssg form
@@Zeno1781 "Vegeta even notes the ki as the greatest ki he ever felt, vegeta is 50% vegito" at the moment he couldnt sence god ki and like i said goku was excited to test his new power he further more confirm when he said "the a level i never expected to reach on my own" on his own.
_The Potaro fusion is close to divine ki but not exactly divine ki, super Saiyan god is divine ki, which allows Goku to inflict damage on gods Or entities of divine nature. No matter how strong a natural being becomes, they cannot truly inflict damage on a divine being_
I kinda like ssblue due to its color and blue is my favorite color but the way it's handled it's disappointing Stamina issue of blue was introduced to dbs after ROF. Doesn't have any Ws against any main villains after ROF. Was used a lot more often.
all this confusion on power scaling and why an ability was never showcased again was all because they decided to make a continuation after Goku unlocked super saiyan god. It was supposed to end then and there but nope, they said “let’s keep going actually” and now it’s all weird.
6:15 is straight up a lie. Vegeta wasn't able to control super saiyan blue at the time, and the second time, he used the form in the u6 tournament it was Said that he only had a tenth of his previous power in super saiyan blue. Hit was also WAY weaker in the manga
I think the semi-canon explanation is that it's not stacked so much as it is combined It's the essence of a Saiyan God combined with the essence of a Super Saiyan So SS/SS2/SS3 are all the same in the sense that they are all the essence of a Super Saiyan As opposed to it just being turning Super Saiyan in the Super Saiyan God form
tbh it always felt to me like they moved on from SS god way too quickly. It stands to reason that if they only just achieved divine ki with the SSG form then there is more to be gained by training further in this form. SS blue is basically just adding SSJ1 onto SSG, and always seemed like a lazy stacking of transforms to me. They only made it worse when Goku adds yet more on top of SSB with the kaioken, which just seemed like cheap DBZ nostalgia bait.
If we talkin straight power output, it's Blue, since it's "technically" a Super Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God. If we talking overall more effective and better portrayal overall? God, hands down.
In my opinion, SSG should just be called Saiyan God since its a normal saiyan with god ki. I also like SSG more than SSB for a few reasons. One being that it looks cooler imo. The red base form hair is only seen in base and ultra instinct. The aura is unique and resembles actual fire as compared to just blue of SSB, and his eye look sick. Two being that SSB kinda stole the spotlight from SSG. It was hyped as a game-changing transformation that would be able to clash with the likes of Beerus, and a divine higher power. As soon as they learned to stack Super Saiyan on SSG, it became useless and is only ever used as a energy-efficient version of SSB like in TOP and the Broly movie. Really deserves more love imo
So the red hair during SSG reminds me of power that isn’t fully under control so it’s just anger misplaced whereas the super sayain form of SSG the hair is blue to remind us of power under control
rewatch super and tell me when and where they have ever mentioned the term god ki. I watched it recently and there was no mention. god ki is not a thing. the god are never shown to be able to sense eachother and when training Whis tells Goku and Vegeta to try and keep their ki contained to avoid power loss by that point we get a hint to ssb. you cannot convince me of the opposite god ki does not exist in dragon ball. it explains why goku went ssb against krillin and explains that power difference between ssg and ssb. The hole series makes more sense once you realize this.
Idk why they look like they're trying to make ssjG look cooler than blue . The ki control thing goku did on broly , he literally only did it with god , but it could be really useful in blue even for a split second because vegeta could get some hits in with this .
The multiplication is kinda nuts, if blue is a 50x multiplier over the minimum multiplier of x20.000 of god that would mean blue is a 1 million x multiplier? meaning farmer with a shotgun suddenly goes to dominating frieza's first 3 forms lel
This may just be me, it shouldn’t be Super Saiyan Blue. It should be Orange since that’s red from god and yellow from Super Saiyan. I know they did it to give it look very different, but I feel like it is a missed opportunity.
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ssg its more like having fun with alot of abilities
ssb all about fighting and winning
Instead of calling it super sayain god call it super saiyan red
I really don't like that Red Super Saiyan is called Super Saiyan God instead of Saiyan God, as it's basically god ki+base form. I would wish Super Saiyan Blue to be called Super Saiyan God instead of the red one.
I've been thinking the same thing for a while. Problem is that SSB was not thought of when SSG came about.
One of the downsides of Akira's more off the cuff writing style.
Would have been great if Dragon Ball Super retconned the names.
But it may have just made things confusing.
I don’t like this either, but it’s worth noting that SSJB isn’t actually SSJB, it’s just a shortened name made by Goku, Vegeta and Whis because it originally was a tongue twister. The actual name is of course SSJGSSJ or SSGSS, which makes sense as there’s two SSJs in it.
@@nivnavion Yes, we know.
And while it makes sense. Having it be Saiyan God then Super Saiyan God still makes a lot more sense.
@@link1565V2 More like someone high up at toei shoehorned for blue/a new transformation to sell more toys. Ssb was a mistake & hopefully Toyo can fully drop the form out of the manga once it returns.
@@dokkaner5934 it wasn't a mistake, but it was introduced far too soon.
NGL Super Saiyan God looks more interesting than Super saiyan Blue at least design wise
A very popular opinion my friend.
I think at least 3/4 of the fandom believes this.
Thats basically saying I like the color red more than the color blue. It's basically a preference of which color you like more ATP💀
@@Shorts-wb4hqNo it isn't, SSJG has a multitude of differences to base, SSJ and SSJB. I can, of the top of my head, name 7, one for each dragon ball.
1. SSJG is the first canonical transformation to ever have a different aura colour to hair colour
2. SSJG is the first transformation in canon and non-canon to have a texture in the aura in the burning inferno it is
3. SSJG makes Goku look leaner
4. SSJG makes Goku look younger
5. SSJG is the first transformation to increase clothes and skin saturation rather than merely brightening it and yet remains the only one to do so.
6. SSJG is the first and still only transformation where the hair colour has a colour gradient: red-pink and arguably only if light is not a factor.
7. It's also the first transformation to keep the base form hair.
SSJB has none of this and is just a lazy recolour of SSJ.
Eh. I would’ve preferred if only Vegeta got blue and it was equal to God and they both mastered it but that’s just my opinion.
Man it sucked that SSG was only out for a little before blue took over. 😢
Different forms should be used for different reasons rather than just powering into the strongest form
True. SSGJ is almost a technique, where you simply alter your ki to be divine filled. Almost making it a fluid form like MUI, compared to SSGSSJ which is like SSJ in that it is a straight power reach, powerhouse form. It makes sense why Goku and Vegeta both went SSGJ against Broly, yet they went straight to SSGSS for Jiren. Jiren is such a controlled and fluid fighter that the only way to beat him would be raw power, like we saw with Goku and Frieza (other than mui but that is obviously too strong too). Whereas with Broly, Goku and Vegeta recognize his power and non controllable style, realizing it makes no sense to go blue kiaoken or evolution because they cant go past Broly with power unless they SERIOUSLY surpass him due to his never ending power rising constantly. Gogeta Blue was miles ahead so that was the answer. Clearly, they knew as individuals it would require finess to beat him. Which explains maybe why Goku almost went MUI while powering up. He may have been trying to tap into it to out finesse Broly, but he realized he couldnt transform mid power up so he settled for blue to try and cook.)@@saintreem
@@saintreemand I think what I said has context clues like the hair being in a relaxed state only during base, ssgj, and mui, and maybe even kiaoken. Implying these are simply techniques with different purposes. Whereas any form that required ssj ability his hair stands up as a clear indicator of a massive inward surge of power in his saiyan cells.
I personally think they should never have done SSB.
Having SSG fighting Freeza would still be a cool reveal ( _"Oh Cool! Goku has learned to use SSG at will"_ )
And then having Vegeta do it as well, would still have been Hype.
@@GymbrosinChrist mui was the animators messing around with colour schemes, he wasnt TRYING to go MUI
ssg is forgotten but it is a cool form that lasted very little until ssb came along
Wow good to know
It’s not forgotten. It was used in the Moro arc as well as the survivor arc and the broly arc too
And in the Manga it's gotten a decent deal of usage
It’s used in the tournament of power also
@@BucketWasTakenTwiceyeah the manga utilize SSJ God more, especially on the earlier arc where Super Saiyan Blue was still "Unstable". I remember in the U7 vs U6 arc Goku only use SSJ Blue in short bursts switching back and forth with SSJ God while attacking when fighting Hit instead of straight up transforming into Blue the whole fight.
It's also nice to see that Super Broly movie thankfully utilized the red form a decent amount (granted, Broly did beat the crap out of Goku) before Goku goes to Blue.
The healing abilities of SSG never appeared in the movie nor the manga, which means that it's just an anime exclusive thing
I'm pretty sure it shows up in Xenoverse 2 as well with ssg Goku having a slight passive heal
Its implied in the manga. Goku can use ki to heal himself. And he can survive deadly wounds long enough to eat a senzu bean.
@@nuclearwaste2062Dende has been laughing at that bs "ability" since Frieza saga 😂
Nature Goku can heal things
It didn't even stay in the ankme either. Goku never used SSG to heal in the anime ever again.
If I'm being Fr with you... SSGSSB is 50x stronger than SSG but it literally doesn't feel that way, in the anime and manga it just feels like a 10x multiplier at most
It Does In Manga.😅
No it’s not THAT much stronger. Did u just make up head canon?
@@michaelmamba1578 It Was Literaly Stated That SSGSSB Is A A Super Saiyan Form Which Has × 50 Multiplier + Super Saiyan God Form Which Has × 20,000 Multiplier Which Is = × 1,000,000 Multiplier.
@@DarthHide1234 you might wanna go and rewatch that cuz ik what ur referring to and he says “this is a super saiyan form of a saiyan who has the powers of a super saiyan god”, ie a super saiyan with god ki but because db goofies want to see the highest power level they ALWAYS assume the highest jump possible. If they meant a 50x multiplier wouldn’t they have just said that? I mean ultimately it’s up to interpretation cuz we technically don’t have a correct answer(even tho some speculations make more sense considering that ssg was better in some situations, but yes blue is overall stronger) but it makes more sense that’s it’s NOT a 50x multiplier just like an ssj3 is only 4 times stronger than ssj2🤷♂️
@@DarthHide1234 and it wasn’t “literaly” stated lmao u just thought. Also why can’t it be base x50 then the god multiplier kicks in. Properties of multiplication. You might wanna learn them
slight correction at 6:18, its not that gokus super saiyan god was stronger than vegetas blue, as stated by whis vegeta used it to much in one day and due to the energy drain of Blue vegeta wasnt able to use any more than 10 percent of its power, not because his blue is inheirently weaker than gokus god form, but just that his energy had been exhausted, but since goku hadnt used blue yet, his energy wasnt exhausted so god was more than enough to deal with hit, had vegeta not wanted to show off his strength and superiority of the blue form he could have also dealt with hit in god with relative ease, hope that clears things up
He was not able to use 1/100 of his true power
@breu5747 no, it was literally said by whis he can't even use 10% of his power, given the fact that we aren't told a number less than that the weakest we can put him at is 1/10th of his power, about 10 percent or slightly less
@@animefanatic787finally,i thought i was the only nerd about this...😅
@@animefanatic787 So SSG is stronger than 10% SSB? which means SSB is 10x times multiplier for SSG at best, not 50x.
Yes gokus God was stronger than vegetas weakened blue, no the multiplier isn't less than 50x god, would the information conflict with itself, yes, bit those are the facts of the series, yes it seems contradictory but it is what it is
The word stamina was kicking your ass
STANIMA
@Queenofpyro 10:05
@@Kunal-jy7ik I don't get how people say stanima but hey everyone has their issues
Also he said "tourmanent" instead of tournament as well. Not too big of a deal, but it was noticeable
@@so.dreezy lmao he got spelling issues
5:14
I'm almost certain the healing ability was linked to the rising power that the Super Saiyan God ritual gave. Once it stopped rising, the healing disappeared.
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Why Krillin's hairline was way better than Goku's....
Cap
@@saadsami8860 Krillin's hairline is definitely better than Vegeta's hairline
@@PhillipRubio578 what hairline
@@PhillipRubio578I think you mean Vegeta's McDonald's sponsor
@@FakerSilverYT widows peak
Which is stronger? Base form or Mastered Ultra Instinct?
Funny, but = stats, what is MORE effective. That's the question
@AventSir Depends, Ssjg was far less draining, but when Goku and Vegeta perfected Ssjb, it became a lot better by far. But even with regular ssjb, I'd still say it's so much stronger where it might balance out the disadvantages with the ki drain. But the most effective way would just be to go blue on impact, but the rest of the battle maintain ssjg, just like they did in the Goku Black arc.
8:35 is why I think the argument of SSj4 vs Blue is ridiculous. SSjG would already be a higher multiplier then SSj4 is, he’d never even make it to Blue.
no way to really know and we'll never know
since SSJ4 is not cannon but 4 is way cooler than God or Blue.
@ Cooler? 100%. But the jump in power Goku would have to have had for SSJ4 to be on God Goku’s level is far beyond what we can see from Goku in GT at any point in the anime
Nah. SS4 is stronger than every form, state, and technique DBS has shown.
Yeah, 6:18 was a pretty big miss tbh.
You even showed the panel where Whis explained why Goku was stronger than Vegeta in the Hit fight and still glossed over it, painting a narrative that Goku had better mastery over the form when that wasn't the reason for his better performance at all.
he really didn't pay attention to the Manga Version of that event
Yeah wasn’t it because Vegeta had went blue against Cabba to “show off” so when he entered the form again he was only able to use like 10% of his actual strength?
1.000X multiplier over base form seems pretty insane. By now his base form is stronger than SSJ in Namek.
This would make SSG hundreds of times star-buster level.
9:31 No matter how many explainations I get, it would have made way more sense for the red form to be called "Sayian God" and the blue form to be "Super Sayian God". The one exception is that it took Super Sayians to come together to make it. So it would be odd that super sayians would produce a regular sayian power. But we can ignore that if we considered that it was their power combining that made the transformation and not their type of power. Just the amount. As he stated in the video, the red for is diffferent from the blue form, hes skinnier, sort of uniquely adjusted. Where as the blue form is literally just the blonde form but with blue color visually.
5:20 it's theorized this happaned causs the saiyan spirit, the saiyan that first achived Super Saiyan died with regret, their soul wandered the universe with the Saiyan God prophechy, once goku performed the ritual, the saiyan soul was summoned and gave goku god Ki
That's why in the fight Goku Himself even stated a voice in his head guided him on how to use God Ki effectively
man let me say the editing in your video is quite pleasant, it creats a nice atmosphere to watch i enjoy it. like👍
Best way to view it is when Goku used these in the ToP against Jiren.
SSG: Jiren was able to block everything with 1 finger
SSB: Jiren now needs to use both his forearms to block yet he's still getting pushed around through rocks while doing so
Ssg being practically useless is a joke
Great video bro, 1 of the best explanations so far..
0:12 what about ssj4?
Not cannon genius
@Not cannon genius
@@Bubblesyt4 Not is spelled correctly genius
@@CrustyGhosthe meant canon genius
@@Bubblesyt4 your first video... It's spelled *bruh genius
I'd say if he's in for a long fight its better to go with ssg or do what vegeta did and keep switching. In a short fight however turning blue and pulling out the ki belt is far better.
that was a very interesting video, can you maka a video about vegeta's ssb evo? maybe in comparison with normal ssb or goku's ssb kaioken or even talking about vegeta's eyes an what they have to do with ssb... because your videos are amazing (especially dragon balls video or at least for me)
7:38 aura assists vegeta? how and ssg grade 4? So what’s grade 1,2,and 3?
11:45 Blue beats red. I'll save you 12 mins of useless info and repetition.
Nobody thought that this was even a question
5:20 the reason why super Saiyan God could heal was just because of the ritual it wasn’t because Toriyama forgot it once Goku obtained got ki naturally the same spirit of the ritual that allowed him to heal wasn’t there.
3:45 and that’s why they call him the drink
Can you make a video about certain types of outsmarting “builds?” Builds that focus on FSIQ, Thinking, Reasoning (Lawliet). Builds that focus on EQ, SQ, Manipulation, Deception (Light), or builds that are hybrid (Koji).
The main reason people have takes from Koji low diffing Light to Light mid diffing Koji is because they don’t know how certain types of outsmarting builds interact; fix that.
This would be a goated vid ngl
avent u gotta make this vid
10:04 It chips away at your stanima
Oh my fricking SSG😭
Meh ssj4 gogeta >
@@paulgilbert3139overrated monkey, but i respect your opinion.
@@paulgilbert3139no
Lmfao 😂
@@cheefcuts stop cursing its a sin.
Just some slight corrections I noticed when watching
The first is that there is a pretty massive difference between Ritual Super Saiyan God and normal Super Saiyan God
Ritual Super Saiyan God has the self-healing and the time limit (due to having the life energy and ki of five other Saiyans, though Goku does just have healing powers in base anyway)
normal Super Saiyan God has everything else
Next, the main reason why it took him a while to get to full power in Battle of Gods is because he was getting used to that level of power the whole fight. The arc peaks with him getting a grasp on fully controlling the power for himself in one final push, because the entire time, his new level of strength is so incredibly high that he can hardly control it
Final thing is that the Super Saiyan God powers aren't unique to Super Saiyan God; they just have a unique look because of the unique ki
The only thing Goku really does in the form is trap someone's movements with ki, which Broly does immediately after (despite not having SSG) and Vegeta doesn't even use any unique abilities
Other than that, great video, definitely gave a pretty great rundown
_Remember when Goku was fighting Jiren, when he transformed into super Saiyan God red form Jiren was able to block the hits with a finger, but when he became super Saiyan blue that’s when the fight truly engaged. I just wish they would do super Saiyan three with super Saiyan God._
Your editing is really lovely! This video was very enjoyable to watch with your narration and the great editing ^_^
For a video with such an obvious answer I'm surprised there was still so much interesting information here
Finally someone who uses the correct abbreviations!
Since super saiyan blue is a super saiyan god going super saiyan, when are we gonna get super saiyan blue 2, where a super saiyan god goes super saiyan 2, and then 3 and a weird 4 transformation
Great video! You actually know what you’re talking about and your video has great presentation! Your voice is very easy to listen to. You sound like vaatividya! Keep this up and you’ll be big! Easy sub :)
Super Saiyan Blue just looks terrible and feels tacky...
Like, where does the blue come from?
Would look much better just going into super Saiyan god form then powering up getting super saiyan hair with MAYBE a slight golden aura to complement the red.
The reduced muscles also looks better, which they instantly removed in the bad blue form.
Please can you make a video about rimuru(LN) vs anos(LN).
thats actually interesting
I forgot most of anos powers.
Rimuru likely spanks
the reason i like super saiyan god as a better name is because it makes it sound like it is the god of all legendary super saiyans and that it is above a super saiyan
Awesome video ‼‼ what editing software do you use ?
Wait isn't ssg like a higher base form and ssb just super saiyan stacked on top of ssg
Edit: oh 10:50
Vegeta gaining god ki on his own is just wild and undermines ssg (this means u6 saiyans might also gain god forms if they train with their respective destroyers)
I think SSBE should’ve been the original design for SSB. A lot of people think it’s ugly but I think the aura is too much.
Ssbe would not look very good on Goku, and also its way too muscular to be the regular variant.
SSGSS or Ssb this is not a debate yes red looks better and should have been the main form it’s crazy it’s 2024 and people have dumbass debates like this when is goku and Vegeta going to use weaker forms overtime just like the next villain is most likely stronger then the last
Have you thought about making a Dragon Ball playlist for these videos? It would make it easier for people to find them instead having to scroll through the channel.
Saw the title, doesn't the anime explain that super Saiyan blue is the super Saiyan version of super Saiyan god so it makes perfectly logical sense that blue is much stronger than red, don't need a video explaining that
the video isnt about which is stronger, its about the abilites.
I haven't watched dragon ball. But for some reason, videos like these keep popping up in my feed and now Im invested in the lore.
Watch Dragon Ball super I recommend you it amazing.👌
I enjoyed the content of your video a lot, but the chromatic aberration filter made it very uncomfortable to watch. It was especially hard to read some of the text
I don't think the healing ability is exclusive to super saiyan god, I think it is exclusive to the ritual form of super saiyan god. There are distinct differences between the super saiyan god that goku can tap into vs the one acquired through the ritual. Theres a good video on the differences between ritual and normal super saiyan god, you should take a look at that.
In the anime at the top doesn't whis say going blue takes up an enormous amount of energy? Which is why that one guy almost knocked him out
One way to think of it is similarly to the cell saga in which trunks going Super Saiyan Grade 2.
SSG: Basically the Mastered Super Saiyan form in Cell Saga
SSB: SSG Grade 2
We can think of it like that as vegeta does get SSB Evolution which is a "Better" form of SSB, drawing out more power and speed with the same cost of stamina, essentially a Super Saiyan 2 on top of SSG.
Bro said stanima 😂 good video 10:04
He also did in the outro at 11:28 😂
Ngl we all know blue claps it’s literally god with super saiyan but god has better ki control and he could make it stronger seen in the manga when he mixed god and ui
I Love SSB , SSB was my SSJ 1 , it was my first Great Dragon Ball Transformation , SSB gived to me the Impact that SSJ 1 gave to Old Dragon Ball Fans , and it is make Sad that they did not made a Good Use of this Form ...
Goku 1st time going SS1 was so legendary...I still get goosebumps every time I watch it
I don't know what you mean, shit was used in every arc
@@uglovasgamingthey monologue instead keep fighting 90% of the story right?
@ZangetsuGetsuga7 for me it was ui ( it self explanatory) but as for ssjb I really only start to like it recently after the top, broly movie and the Moro ark. It's mainly because they experimented more with the idea of using the right form at the right time.
Are you saying you haven’t watched the events of dragon ball before super?
I really like the concept... Super sayian blue is super saiyan god tapping into super sayian
Great video!
Go through all this information just to come to conclusion that SSB > SSG, which is something everyone knew for years except for those few who thought red was faster than blue 🤦♂️
God Bind was one of the most coolest and well thought moves that represent the God form.
I wish they had used more abilities like that for Super Saiyan God then have a better and more exciting transition to Super Saiyan Blue.
The SSJG to SSJB multiplier doesn't add up in the manga. Vegeta at 10% power is less than Hit, whose full power is around SSJG level, and Hit wasn't near full power when fighting Vegeta. This implies SSJB can't be more than a 10x multiplier to SSJG.
Power levels don't really mean anything anymore. Dragonball never really had consistent feats to actually judge characters' power vs. a baseline. At most you can just guess how much stronger one character is than another when they fight.
please do a video about frieza, how strong all his forms are etc :D
In terms of Skill, Hax and Fighting Style, overall Efficiency, I give it to God, in terms of Raw Power, it goes to Blue
As it was stated for the Broly Movie, God is a Form where the User relies on Abilities, Tactics and Skill, the Ability to read and predict the Opponent, while Blue is to just Power through like a Bulldoze
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Ssj 3 vs ultra ego
Which eyebrow loss looks worse
It's pretty evenly awful
I say Ego. The lack of hair makes him look like a naked mole rat😂
@@chriss.249must be like looking in the mirror for u then
@maalikserebryakov
Imagine talking shit on someone u don't even know over roasting a fictional character😂
Idk what's more sad. That, or future gohans death
U tryna roast when I bet u look like Dodoria behind that screen😂
The amount of times homie said “stanima” instead of stamina
Debating super saiyan god and super saiyan blue is like debating super saiyan 1 and 2. Blue is literally the ascending form I would expect it to win. It’s 50x stronger so it’s winning regardless
It would've been cool if they made ssB weaker than ssG as the combination god and mortal ki with the mortal ki diluting the god ki makeing ssB weaker with them having to find a knew way to make ssG strong
Back when ssb was first announced/hinted at before we saw it in action a major part of the community thought it was going to be exactly like what you said a ssj just tapping into a bit of that god power, would of been way cooler tbh ssb blew the already crazy power scaling out of the water
I think the god ki has great potential as a concept if done correctly
One thing I don't like is how Vegeta apparently got the form " all on his own" by training, the ritual should be the only way to obtain such power ( as well as needing to be a powerful mortal before accession ) or hell at least had to be part of that ritual in so they had a power rub from it
Another thing that would help the whole power scaling issuses in super aka how the Z fighters all of a sudden become exponentially more powerful for the tournament of power and the like would this power run all the Z fighters have personal relationship with Goku effectively now a god, having a personal relationship with a god could give if inspiration, kinda sort of explaining how Killian could spar with blue Goku and somehow not get straight bodied
I loved that form so much back then and I always used to wait for another appearance in that form,Guess I'm not the only one
looks like they're trying to steer clear of just doing ssj2 and ssj3 but for god form with the ultra instinct and ultra ego, which I think is pretty cool
OOH some DB Power Scaling We Ready
The number goes even higher when goku in his "false" ssg form was confident he could fight beerus.
The same goku who immediately denounced the idea of fusing even working altogether
Ssg>"false" ssg>fp vegito
He wasnt confident at all, he was just excited because it open a new path to become stronger. He also didn't know how strong he was and what do you mean "false"
@@sc-1918
He was confident he could fight beerus
I mean "false" ssg because it was the empowered state goku got before he completed the form
Vegeta even notes the ki as the greatest ki he ever felt, vegeta is 50% vegito
@sc-1918
Goku immediately shuts down the idea of fusing even working
He then gets this "false" ssg state and was ready to fight beerus had whis not mention him failing/ not attaining the ssg form
@@Zeno1781 "Vegeta even notes the ki as the greatest ki he ever felt, vegeta is 50% vegito" at the moment he couldnt sence god ki and like i said goku was excited to test his new power he further more confirm when he said "the a level i never expected to reach on my own" on his own.
@sc-1918 the form that goku underwent from only 4 saiyans 💀
I have like a head cannon that when goku and vegeta become complete masters of god ki theyre constantly in their god forms
I love the DBZ tracks in the background 🎶🎶🎶
_The Potaro fusion is close to divine ki but not exactly divine ki, super Saiyan god is divine ki, which allows Goku to inflict damage on gods Or entities of divine nature. No matter how strong a natural being becomes, they cannot truly inflict damage on a divine being_
I kinda like ssblue due to its color and blue is my favorite color but the way it's handled it's disappointing
Stamina issue of blue was introduced to dbs after ROF.
Doesn't have any Ws against any main villains after ROF.
Was used a lot more often.
all this confusion on power scaling and why an ability was never showcased again was all because they decided to make a continuation after Goku unlocked super saiyan god. It was supposed to end then and there but nope, they said “let’s keep going actually” and now it’s all weird.
5:22 Against Goku Black and Zamasu in the Future Trunks saga, when Goku finds out that Black and Zamasu killed Chi Chi and Goten.
This is a silly question, ssb is 50x ssg same as ssj being 50x base
I didn’t even think that this topic was debatable anymore. It’s like pitting base Goku against Super Saiyan Goku.
10:05 STANIMA 😂
10:06
6:15 is straight up a lie. Vegeta wasn't able to control super saiyan blue at the time, and the second time, he used the form in the u6 tournament it was Said that he only had a tenth of his previous power in super saiyan blue. Hit was also WAY weaker in the manga
If SSB is just SSG going SS. could they not just go SS2 in SSG as well? And since Goku can turn SS3 could he not do that as a SSG as well?
I think the semi-canon explanation is that it's not stacked so much as it is combined
It's the essence of a Saiyan God combined with the essence of a Super Saiyan
So SS/SS2/SS3 are all the same in the sense that they are all the essence of a Super Saiyan
As opposed to it just being turning Super Saiyan in the Super Saiyan God form
Isn't Super saiyan 2 a 200 times multiplication?
@@compgokuneggt5853 2x stronger than super saiyan grade 4. x100 from base.
@@AventSir DAMMMN MY WHOLE LIFE I TOUGH THE 2 IS 200 DAMMN THANKS BRO FOR TELLING 🙏🏿
tbh it always felt to me like they moved on from SS god way too quickly.
It stands to reason that if they only just achieved divine ki with the SSG form then there is more to be gained by training further in this form.
SS blue is basically just adding SSJ1 onto SSG, and always seemed like a lazy stacking of transforms to me.
They only made it worse when Goku adds yet more on top of SSB with the kaioken, which just seemed like cheap DBZ nostalgia bait.
Why is it even a debate on which is stronger lol, what's the the point?
If we talkin straight power output, it's Blue, since it's "technically" a Super Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God. If we talking overall more effective and better portrayal overall? God, hands down.
In my opinion, SSG should just be called Saiyan God since its a normal saiyan with god ki. I also like SSG more than SSB for a few reasons. One being that it looks cooler imo. The red base form hair is only seen in base and ultra instinct. The aura is unique and resembles actual fire as compared to just blue of SSB, and his eye look sick. Two being that SSB kinda stole the spotlight from SSG. It was hyped as a game-changing transformation that would be able to clash with the likes of Beerus, and a divine higher power. As soon as they learned to stack Super Saiyan on SSG, it became useless and is only ever used as a energy-efficient version of SSB like in TOP and the Broly movie. Really deserves more love imo
Pause, then how is Vageta able to obtain it?
I’ve always been heavily biased towards blue because blue is my favorite color
So the red hair during SSG reminds me of power that isn’t fully under control so it’s just anger misplaced whereas the super sayain form of SSG the hair is blue to remind us of power under control
I see you agree with my SSG theory 😊
rewatch super and tell me when and where they have ever mentioned the term god ki. I watched it recently and there was no mention. god ki is not a thing. the god are never shown to be able to sense eachother and when training Whis tells Goku and Vegeta to try and keep their ki contained to avoid power loss by that point we get a hint to ssb. you cannot convince me of the opposite god ki does not exist in dragon ball. it explains why goku went ssb against krillin and explains that power difference between ssg and ssb. The hole series makes more sense once you realize this.
Like base vs SSJ?
Idk why they look like they're trying to make ssjG look cooler than blue . The ki control thing goku did on broly , he literally only did it with god , but it could be really useful in blue even for a split second because vegeta could get some hits in with this .
The multiplication is kinda nuts, if blue is a 50x multiplier over the minimum multiplier of x20.000 of god that would mean blue is a 1 million x multiplier? meaning farmer with a shotgun suddenly goes to dominating frieza's first 3 forms lel
what if they go on Fusion while in blue form?
New video in the late night.
This may just be me, it shouldn’t be Super Saiyan Blue. It should be Orange since that’s red from god and yellow from Super Saiyan. I know they did it to give it look very different, but I feel like it is a missed opportunity.
Editing of this video is god level