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- Why SSG vs SSB is NOT Close. Which form is better overall, just imagine an equalized strength Goku, which form is more effective?
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ssg its more like having fun with alot of abilities
ssb all about fighting and winning
I really don't like that Red Super Saiyan is called Super Saiyan God instead of Saiyan God, as it's basically god ki+base form. I would wish Super Saiyan Blue to be called Super Saiyan God instead of the red one.
I've been thinking the same thing for a while. Problem is that SSB was not thought of when SSG came about.
One of the downsides of Akira's more off the cuff writing style.
Would have been great if Dragon Ball Super retconned the names.
But it may have just made things confusing.
I don’t like this either, but it’s worth noting that SSJB isn’t actually SSJB, it’s just a shortened name made by Goku, Vegeta and Whis because it originally was a tongue twister. The actual name is of course SSJGSSJ or SSGSS, which makes sense as there’s two SSJs in it.
@@nivnavion Yes, we know.
And while it makes sense. Having it be Saiyan God then Super Saiyan God still makes a lot more sense.
@@link1565V2 More like someone high up at toei shoehorned for blue/a new transformation to sell more toys. Ssb was a mistake & hopefully Toyo can fully drop the form out of the manga once it returns.
@@dokkaner5934 it wasn't a mistake, but it was introduced far too soon.
NGL Super Saiyan God looks more interesting than Super saiyan Blue at least design wise
A very popular opinion my friend.
I think at least 3/4 of the fandom believes this.
Thats basically saying I like the color red more than the color blue. It's basically a preference of which color you like more ATP💀
@@Shorts-wb4hqNo it isn't, SSJG has a multitude of differences to base, SSJ and SSJB. I can, of the top of my head, name 7, one for each dragon ball.
1. SSJG is the first canonical transformation to ever have a different aura colour to hair colour
2. SSJG is the first transformation in canon and non-canon to have a texture in the aura in the burning inferno it is
3. SSJG makes Goku look leaner
4. SSJG makes Goku look younger
5. SSJG is the first transformation to increase clothes and skin saturation rather than merely brightening it and yet remains the only one to do so.
6. SSJG is the first and still only transformation where the hair colour has a colour gradient: red-pink and arguably only if light is not a factor.
7. It's also the first transformation to keep the base form hair.
SSJB has none of this and is just a lazy recolour of SSJ.
Eh. I would’ve preferred if only Vegeta got blue and it was equal to God and they both mastered it but that’s just my opinion.
ssg is forgotten but it is a cool form that lasted very little until ssb came along
Wow good to know
It’s not forgotten. It was used in the Moro arc as well as the survivor arc and the broly arc too
And in the Manga it's gotten a decent deal of usage
It’s used in the tournament of power also
@@BucketWasTakenTwiceyeah the manga utilize SSJ God more, especially on the earlier arc where Super Saiyan Blue was still "Unstable". I remember in the U7 vs U6 arc Goku only use SSJ Blue in short bursts switching back and forth with SSJ God while attacking when fighting Hit instead of straight up transforming into Blue the whole fight.
It's also nice to see that Super Broly movie thankfully utilized the red form a decent amount (granted, Broly did beat the crap out of Goku) before Goku goes to Blue.
Super saiyan god should’ve been called “Saiyan god” and super saiyan blue would be “SUPER Saiyan god”
Nope think about it 6 saiyans combined power to become a god version what you going to call it Saiyan pretend god by 5 other powers of other saiyans 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Samantha23478no he’s saying that because ssjg is just base with base then just call it sjg
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Yep. The problem is, tecnically goku and vegeta already have god ki on base, so the name would be confusing
They had not achieve god ki get
The healing abilities of SSG never appeared in the movie nor the manga, which means that it's just an anime exclusive thing
I'm pretty sure it shows up in Xenoverse 2 as well with ssg Goku having a slight passive heal
Its implied in the manga. Goku can use ki to heal himself. And he can survive deadly wounds long enough to eat a senzu bean.
@@nuclearwaste2062Dende has been laughing at that bs "ability" since Frieza saga 😂
Nature Goku can heal things
It didn't even stay in the ankme either. Goku never used SSG to heal in the anime ever again.
slight correction at 6:18, its not that gokus super saiyan god was stronger than vegetas blue, as stated by whis vegeta used it to much in one day and due to the energy drain of Blue vegeta wasnt able to use any more than 10 percent of its power, not because his blue is inheirently weaker than gokus god form, but just that his energy had been exhausted, but since goku hadnt used blue yet, his energy wasnt exhausted so god was more than enough to deal with hit, had vegeta not wanted to show off his strength and superiority of the blue form he could have also dealt with hit in god with relative ease, hope that clears things up
He was not able to use 1/100 of his true power
@breu5747 no, it was literally said by whis he can't even use 10% of his power, given the fact that we aren't told a number less than that the weakest we can put him at is 1/10th of his power, about 10 percent or slightly less
@@animefanatic787finally,i thought i was the only nerd about this...😅
@@animefanatic787 So SSG is stronger than 10% SSB? which means SSB is 10x times multiplier for SSG at best, not 50x.
Yes gokus God was stronger than vegetas weakened blue, no the multiplier isn't less than 50x god, would the information conflict with itself, yes, bit those are the facts of the series, yes it seems contradictory but it is what it is
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Why Krillin's hairline was way better than Goku's....
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@@saadsami8860 Krillin's hairline is definitely better than Vegeta's hairline
@@PhillipRubio578 what hairline
@@PhillipRubio578I think you mean Vegeta's McDonald's sponsor
@@FakerSilverYT widows peak
Man it sucked that SSG was only out for a little before blue took over. 😢
Different forms should be used for different reasons rather than just powering into the strongest form
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If I'm being Fr with you... SSGSSB is 50x stronger than SSG but it literally doesn't feel that way, in the anime and manga it just feels like a 10x multiplier at most
that was a very interesting video, can you maka a video about vegeta's ssb evo? maybe in comparison with normal ssb or goku's ssb kaioken or even talking about vegeta's eyes an what they have to do with ssb... because your videos are amazing (especially dragon balls video or at least for me)
Which is stronger? Base form or Mastered Ultra Instinct?
Funny, but = stats, what is MORE effective. That's the question
@AventSir Depends, Ssjg was far less draining, but when Goku and Vegeta perfected Ssjb, it became a lot better by far. But even with regular ssjb, I'd still say it's so much stronger where it might balance out the disadvantages with the ki drain. But the most effective way would just be to go blue on impact, but the rest of the battle maintain ssjg, just like they did in the Goku Black arc.
The word stamina was kicking your ass
STANIMA
@@Kunal-jy7ik?
@@14th_Prime123 10:05
@@Kunal-jy7ik I don't get how people say stanima but hey everyone has their issues
I'd say if he's in for a long fight its better to go with ssg or do what vegeta did and keep switching. In a short fight however turning blue and pulling out the ki belt is far better.
Vegeta gaining god ki on his own is just wild and undermines ssg (this means u6 saiyans might also gain god forms if they train with their respective destroyers)
Ssg being practically useless is a joke
For a video with such an obvious answer I'm surprised there was still so much interesting information here
Can you make a video about certain types of outsmarting “builds?” Builds that focus on FSIQ, Thinking, Reasoning (Lawliet). Builds that focus on EQ, SQ, Manipulation, Deception (Light), or builds that are hybrid (Koji).
The main reason people have takes from Koji low diffing Light to Light mid diffing Koji is because they don’t know how certain types of outsmarting builds interact; fix that.
This would be a goated vid ngl
avent u gotta make this vid
the reason i like super saiyan god as a better name is because it makes it sound like it is the god of all legendary super saiyans and that it is above a super saiyan
8:35 is why I think the argument of SSj4 vs Blue is ridiculous. SSjG would already be a higher multiplier then SSj4 is, he’d never even make it to Blue.
Yeah, 6:18 was a pretty big miss tbh.
You even showed the panel where Whis explained why Goku was stronger than Vegeta in the Hit fight and still glossed over it, painting a narrative that Goku had better mastery over the form when that wasn't the reason for his better performance at all.
he really didn't pay attention to the Manga Version of that event
The amount of times homie said “stanima” instead of stamina
Oh my fricking SSG😭
Meh ssj4 gogeta >
@@paulgilbert3139overrated monkey, but i respect your opinion.
@@paulgilbert3139no
Lmfao 😂
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9:31 No matter how many explainations I get, it would have made way more sense for the red form to be called "Sayian God" and the blue form to be "Super Sayian God". The one exception is that it took Super Sayians to come together to make it. So it would be odd that super sayians would produce a regular sayian power. But we can ignore that if we considered that it was their power combining that made the transformation and not their type of power. Just the amount. As he stated in the video, the red for is diffferent from the blue form, hes skinnier, sort of uniquely adjusted. Where as the blue form is literally just the blonde form but with blue color visually.
5:20 it's theorized this happaned causs the saiyan spirit, the saiyan that first achived Super Saiyan died with regret, their soul wandered the universe with the Saiyan God prophechy, once goku performed the ritual, the saiyan soul was summoned and gave goku god Ki
That's why in the fight Goku Himself even stated a voice in his head guided him on how to use God Ki effectively
I Love SSB , SSB was my SSJ 1 , it was my first Great Dragon Ball Transformation , SSB gived to me the Impact that SSJ 1 gave to Old Dragon Ball Fans , and it is make Sad that they did not made a Good Use of this Form ...
Goku 1st time going SS1 was so legendary...I still get goosebumps every time I watch it
I don't know what you mean, shit was used in every arc
@@uglovasgamingthey monologue instead keep fighting 90% of the story right?
@ZangetsuGetsuga7 for me it was ui ( it self explanatory) but as for ssjb I really only start to like it recently after the top, broly movie and the Moro ark. It's mainly because they experimented more with the idea of using the right form at the right time.
Just some slight corrections I noticed when watching
The first is that there is a pretty massive difference between Ritual Super Saiyan God and normal Super Saiyan God
Ritual Super Saiyan God has the self-healing and the time limit (due to having the life energy and ki of five other Saiyans, though Goku does just have healing powers in base anyway)
normal Super Saiyan God has everything else
Next, the main reason why it took him a while to get to full power in Battle of Gods is because he was getting used to that level of power the whole fight. The arc peaks with him getting a grasp on fully controlling the power for himself in one final push, because the entire time, his new level of strength is so incredibly high that he can hardly control it
Final thing is that the Super Saiyan God powers aren't unique to Super Saiyan God; they just have a unique look because of the unique ki
The only thing Goku really does in the form is trap someone's movements with ki, which Broly does immediately after (despite not having SSG) and Vegeta doesn't even use any unique abilities
Other than that, great video, definitely gave a pretty great rundown
I swear bro yapped for 10 mins and then finally got to the point of who is stronger at the end💀
Ngl we all know blue claps it’s literally god with super saiyan but god has better ki control and he could make it stronger seen in the manga when he mixed god and ui
Best way to view it is when Goku used these in the ToP against Jiren.
SSG: Jiren was able to block everything with 1 finger
SSB: Jiren now needs to use both his forearms to block yet he's still getting pushed around through rocks while doing so
10:04 It chips away at your stanima
I think SSBE should’ve been the original design for SSB. A lot of people think it’s ugly but I think the aura is too much.
Ssbe would not look very good on Goku, and also its way too muscular to be the regular variant.
One way to think of it is similarly to the cell saga in which trunks going Super Saiyan Grade 2.
SSG: Basically the Mastered Super Saiyan form in Cell Saga
SSB: SSG Grade 2
We can think of it like that as vegeta does get SSB Evolution which is a "Better" form of SSB, drawing out more power and speed with the same cost of stamina, essentially a Super Saiyan 2 on top of SSG.
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1.000X multiplier over base form seems pretty insane. By now his base form is stronger than SSJ in Namek.
This would make SSG hundreds of times star-buster level.
6:40 I was gonna mention this
_Remember when Goku was fighting Jiren, when he transformed into super Saiyan God red form Jiren was able to block the hits with a finger, but when he became super Saiyan blue that’s when the fight truly engaged. I just wish they would do super Saiyan three with super Saiyan God._
10:06 did bro say stanima😭😭
Great video!
please do a video about frieza, how strong all his forms are etc :D
Saw the title, doesn't the anime explain that super Saiyan blue is the super Saiyan version of super Saiyan god so it makes perfectly logical sense that blue is much stronger than red, don't need a video explaining that
the video isnt about which is stronger, its about the abilites.
The SSJG to SSJB multiplier doesn't add up in the manga. Vegeta at 10% power is less than Hit, whose full power is around SSJG level, and Hit wasn't near full power when fighting Vegeta. This implies SSJB can't be more than a 10x multiplier to SSJG.
Power levels don't really mean anything anymore. Dragonball never really had consistent feats to actually judge characters' power vs. a baseline. At most you can just guess how much stronger one character is than another when they fight.
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Ssj 3 vs ultra ego
Which eyebrow loss looks worse
It's pretty evenly awful
I say Ego. The lack of hair makes him look like a naked mole rat😂
@@chriss.249must be like looking in the mirror for u then
@maalikserebryakov
Imagine talking shit on someone u don't even know over roasting a fictional character😂
Idk what's more sad. That, or future gohans death
U tryna roast when I bet u look like Dodoria behind that screen😂
OOH some DB Power Scaling We Ready
i like ssg design more but i like gokus face design and the ki because he looks more serious and a man
Debating super saiyan god and super saiyan blue is like debating super saiyan 1 and 2. Blue is literally the ascending form I would expect it to win. It’s 50x stronger so it’s winning regardless
7:38 aura assists vegeta? how and ssg grade 4? So what’s grade 1,2,and 3?
Bro said stanima 😂 good video 10:04
He also did in the outro at 11:28 😂
idk where you're getting ssj god grades from that is entirely headcannon
Super Saiyan God: Support Type
Super Saiyan Blue: Strength Type
Thanks For this 🔥🔥🔥🔥
did you make this video by yourself or do you have a team cuz you post super frequently just for one guy
0:24 - 0:34 is cool ngl.
Since super saiyan blue is a super saiyan god going super saiyan, when are we gonna get super saiyan blue 2, where a super saiyan god goes super saiyan 2, and then 3 and a weird 4 transformation
I hate that Super Saiyan Blue was achieved offscreen.
Imagine if in “Resurrection of F”, Vegeta and Goku arrive to deal with Freeza. Vegeta demonstrates Super Saiyan God, and has Freeza on the ropes, until Freeza reveals his Golden form.
Then in order to defeat Freeza, they have to push themselves by managing to harness the power of super Saiyan into the god form, thus creating the new form.
This is my head canon.
I see you agree with my SSG theory 😊
Why is this a debate? SSG is just Goku in his base form using God Ki. SSJB is that base form going Super Saiyan.
Idk why they look like they're trying to make ssjG look cooler than blue . The ki control thing goku did on broly , he literally only did it with god , but it could be really useful in blue even for a split second because vegeta could get some hits in with this .
The fact that Goku went blue aura before getting that red form was very telling 😮
The number goes even higher when goku in his "false" ssg form was confident he could fight beerus.
The same goku who immediately denounced the idea of fusing even working altogether
Ssg>"false" ssg>fp vegito
He wasnt confident at all, he was just excited because it open a new path to become stronger. He also didn't know how strong he was and what do you mean "false"
@@sc-1918
He was confident he could fight beerus
I mean "false" ssg because it was the empowered state goku got before he completed the form
Vegeta even notes the ki as the greatest ki he ever felt, vegeta is 50% vegito
@sc-1918
Goku immediately shuts down the idea of fusing even working
He then gets this "false" ssg state and was ready to fight beerus had whis not mention him failing/ not attaining the ssg form
@@Zeno1781 "Vegeta even notes the ki as the greatest ki he ever felt, vegeta is 50% vegito" at the moment he couldnt sence god ki and like i said goku was excited to test his new power he further more confirm when he said "the a level i never expected to reach on my own" on his own.
@sc-1918 the form that goku underwent from only 4 saiyans 💀
Wait isn't ssg like a higher base form and ssb just super saiyan stacked on top of ssg
Edit: oh 10:50
gotta admit ssjb in the thumbnail looks so clean
Well it was From the Broly Movie with that Awesome Animation and Artstyle
Bruh ssb has never caught a body without teaming or time traveling
looks like they're trying to steer clear of just doing ssj2 and ssj3 but for god form with the ultra instinct and ultra ego, which I think is pretty cool
I didn’t even think that this topic was debatable anymore. It’s like pitting base Goku against Super Saiyan Goku.
THE EDITING 👏
Editing of this video is god level
SSGSS or Ssb this is not a debate yes red looks better and should have been the main form it’s crazy it’s 2024 and people have dumbass debates like this when is goku and Vegeta going to use weaker forms overtime just like the next villain is most likely stronger then the last
"Base goku is high outerversal".. " Krilin is outerversal" on their way 💀
Please can you make a video about rimuru(LN) vs anos(LN).
thats actually interesting
I forgot most of anos powers.
Rimuru likely spanks
If we talkin straight power output, it's Blue, since it's "technically" a Super Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God. If we talking overall more effective and better portrayal overall? God, hands down.
Awesome video ‼‼ what editing software do you use ?
I love how fans point out that technically Super Saiyan Blue has possibly the worst W:L ratio in dragon ball history
It would've been cool if they made ssB weaker than ssG as the combination god and mortal ki with the mortal ki diluting the god ki makeing ssB weaker with them having to find a knew way to make ssG strong
Back when ssb was first announced/hinted at before we saw it in action a major part of the community thought it was going to be exactly like what you said a ssj just tapping into a bit of that god power, would of been way cooler tbh ssb blew the already crazy power scaling out of the water
Vegeta stating Goku's power level of over 9,000 was not a translation error. It was a script choice for the English dub because it fit better with the mouth flaps in the animation easier in English than saying over 8,000 due to the style of animation Japanese anime implements.
What a hit 🎯🎯🎯
he gets stabeed by rose and trashed in the tournament so much pretty sure he has gradual healing to get back up after being uninterrupted and focusing on it for a moment like in the water/ground etc, maybe thinking about it "I can't stay here I need to get back up" channels energy to it or something
10 is a bigger number than 1??!????😱😱😱
I honestly could've lived without SSB, SSG felt like it was going to be a departure from the norm of Super Saiyan'ism. SSG should've been treated like UI where it was a gradual progression of mastering the form then leading it into UI vs what we got, where SSG was essentially deemed useless immediately after its inception. IMO SSB feels as if it doesn't belong in the franchise lmao blue doesn't fit the color palette of the series at all, hell they could've made SSG just Saiyan God, and SSG red with super saiyan yellow aura mixed with the red god ki.
Correction healing ability of ssg was used when goku black stabbed goku
SSJG was a disappointment. Quickly thrown to the wayside. And warriors from U6 kept up with it at the TOP.
Gotta remember ssb is the super saiyan to super saiyan god
The self healing is referenced in the Granola arc
I kinda like ssg because it was different then any other super sayian form, you can see the hair only change colour not the style and also it’s calm as compared to other sayian forms
Wait Min who thinks this fight is close? pls tell who thinks this fight is fair bruh
take the red and blue, mash those two forms together to create the imaginary form: super saiyan.... purple
The regeneration power was only showed on battle of gods, never again in the series we saw regenaration with ssj god again
honestly, after a certain point I think toriyama and the writing staff for the anime stopped keeping track of how much stronger a transformation is relative to the others. Blue is definitely stronger, but from what we observe, it's not that much stronger than god. For that matter, the difference between super saiyan and base also seems to have gotten narrower with time. While you can definitely brush this aside as lazy writing, I think we can explain this by a phenomena we see in Battle of Gods, something I'll call "Power Bleed" for the sake of this argument.
After having attained SSJG, Goku is still able to keep pace with Beerus in SSJ1. This is explained as Goku having fundamentally changed due to having been exposed to God Ki. Essentially, but having achieved Super Saiyan God, he became stronger. One could say this is simply because Goku is attuned to God Ki, and God Ki on its own is at least 20kx stronger than normal ki, but I think a more realistic answer is that Goku's just stronger from the experience. We see this in Z and Super, how the difference between SSJ1 and base gets more and more inconsequential.
To use the water cup analogy,accessing a form means you're overflowing your cup, and you necessarily have to get a bigger one. Mastering the form means your cup is perfectly capable of handling the form. But you always have that cup, and raising the water level of that cup to your normal, base level, is necessarily more volume than before, even if that's all you did as far as training goes.
5:22 Against Goku Black and Zamasu in the Future Trunks saga, when Goku finds out that Black and Zamasu killed Chi Chi and Goten.
I think the god ki has great potential as a concept if done correctly
One thing I don't like is how Vegeta apparently got the form " all on his own" by training, the ritual should be the only way to obtain such power ( as well as needing to be a powerful mortal before accession ) or hell at least had to be part of that ritual in so they had a power rub from it
Another thing that would help the whole power scaling issuses in super aka how the Z fighters all of a sudden become exponentially more powerful for the tournament of power and the like would this power run all the Z fighters have personal relationship with Goku effectively now a god, having a personal relationship with a god could give if inspiration, kinda sort of explaining how Killian could spar with blue Goku and somehow not get straight bodied
10:05 STANIMA????? 11:29 WHAT IS “STANIMA” ????? 11:48 STANIMA?????????
ITS STAMINA.
Maxium output: blue vs maxium output: red
The multiplication is kinda nuts, if blue is a 50x multiplier over the minimum multiplier of x20.000 of god that would mean blue is a 1 million x multiplier? meaning farmer with a shotgun suddenly goes to dominating frieza's first 3 forms lel
Yeah I believe they also state in the anime SSG was faster then Blue which is why Goku would swap between Red and Blue briefly just to attack
Not to sound rude but this video is useless
LIKE U RELLY THINK THEY WOULD MAKE A FORM COME AFTER A FORM STRONGER THEN IT
mr strong, this vid is about abilites and comparing them not who is stronger/powerful cause its an obvious progression of power.
@@AventSir ik
We also see perfected ssb in DBS Broly when Goku transformed into ssb
I really like the concept... Super sayian blue is super saiyan god tapping into super sayian
also we dont know the power scale of god ki. it was just people speculating but akira never gave any numbers or information so we dont know. all we know is that its a vastly different form of energy only those who can handle it use it. you dont need "god ki" to achieve such higher powers. Broly proved that and jiren. they were raw ki power. and beast gohan i believe.
_The Potaro fusion is close to divine ki but not exactly divine ki, super Saiyan god is divine ki, which allows Goku to inflict damage on gods Or entities of divine nature. No matter how strong a natural being becomes, they cannot truly inflict damage on a divine being_