Why The Boeing 737 Max Has Been Such A Mess
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- Five years ago, 346 people were killed in two plane crashes that happened five months apart, in Indonesia and Ethiopia. Both were Boeing 737 Max 8 planes. Then, this past January, Boeing came inches from yet another catastrophe as a door plug blew off an Alaska Airlines 737 Max 9 plane at 16,000 feet shortly after taking off from Portland, Oregon. Preliminary reports said the door panel that flew off the Max 9 appeared to be missing four key bolts.
The Department of Justice has opened a criminal investigation into the Alaska Airlines incident. And the Federal Aviation Administration said it found dozens of problems after auditing Boeing’s manufacturing process.
While Boeing and the FAA have responded more aggressively to the Max 9 issue, the FAA production audit found multiple instances where both Boeing and fuselage maker Spirit Aerosystems allegedly failed to comply with manufacturing quality control problems.
Boeing announced major management changes including CEO Dave Calhoun, who was brought in to get the company out of the max crisis in 2019, just announced he’ll be stepping down at the end of 2024.
CNBC explores how the 737 Max crisis unfolded and what the future holds for Boeing’s best selling jet.
Chapters:
2:22 Evolution of the Boeing 737
5:42 Missing bolts
9:36 A merger and a shift
11:09 What’s next?
Produced, Shot and Edited by: Erin Black
Supervising Producer: Jeniece Pettitt
Animations: Jason Reginato
Editorial Support: Leslie Josephs
Additional Production: Katie Tarasov
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Why The Boeing 737 Max Has Been Such A Mess
So basically they lost millions trying to save pennies
There’s a term for that. Penny smart, dollar stupid.
Sadly all business leaders are credited with profits one quarter at a time.
Cut corners now, hopefully the problems that will result from cost-cutting will fall on other leaders in the future.
Sadly this is SOP for corporate businesses these days.
They were trying to increase profit for their shareholders, and they did - short-term. I guess the ones who benefitted most pulled out before it crashed - literally.
Spent dollars to save dimes...yes...
Saved pennies to divert $ into their pockets. What makes it worse is our government is being paid off.
@@brian5o That's exactly why you need regulations in free market and not let Boeing certify itself like FAA did in the past. This is what happens if you just let the market do its thing.
This is what happens when you value the opinions of MBAs over engineers.
Well put. Years ago a man named Al Neuharth who created USA today newspapers and thus changed the way all newspapers were produced once said you should never put the bean counters in charge because they don't know anything except crunching numbers and they fear risk.
well stated
MBAs are the least useful people on the planet. Even the successful ones are parasites.
what about Engineers with MBAs ... ;-) ?
@@deaffatalbruno I'd say they're definitely engineers first and if they have to save some pennies they know how to do it in a safe professional manner.
Why the ceo still talking about pleasing the board? Try pleasing your engineers and customers. Lmao.
Cuz that's all that matters they worry about the stock price so they can get bigger bonuses
there's such things as business cares about their customers, not even hospitals...
exactly like is anything really going to change here?!
@@CadyCadwellI can confirm this i work in hospitals - theyve all become corporations now
The law demands they worry about the investors
McDonnell Douglas bought Boeing with Boeing's money. That's what happened.
Here's a dollar, buy me lunch?
Brought back the flying coffin
Yup
The question is: Why did Boeing let that happen?
This is factually incorrect. Boeing put up the cash for the so-called merger. Other than some military contracts McDonnel Douglas did not have anything that Boeing needed, especially wide body twin engine aircraft expertise which was clearly where the commercial airline industry was headed. Douglas management and board should not ave been given any senior positions at Boeing and they should never have brought in bean counting General Electric management either. GE's managers are more capable at running a conglomerate than an engineering focused enterprise.
What happened? We all know exactly what happened. GREED.
Promoting Diversity and Equity over Safety... That is what happened.. They lost their focus and went WOKE.
It's so funny to see far right people blame DEI and black pilots for the reason boeing is crap.
Well if you have a heavy engineer company leads by a bunch of economics, marketings and other non engineering guy.
This will happen
but think about how many lives we've saved through capitalism, everybody has housing.
@@LebronCCP Sure but through the exploitation of the poor
There is a great line from the miniseries "Chernobyl" - “Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth, Sooner or later that debt is paid”.
What that great line doesn’t specify is who pays the debt, and it’s never the liar.
Where I once would fear the cost of truth, now I only ask: What is the cost of lies?
@@Fpan87
Boeing the corporation is paying for that debt a lot. The max debacle cost them billions of dollars. And their next airplane design the door popping off will cost millions and settlements. And they’re no longer allowed to increase their production of airplanes, which is going to extend their backlog, possibly transferring sales to Airbus.
@@neilkurzman4907they will lose only if there is insider trading investigation. The real crooks have already profited and exited. And someone needs to be held accountable and prosecuted for all the loss of life.
@@neilkurzman4907 Payback started with the 787. Costed several times over and overshot the deadlines.
They got whistleblower killed!
Technically there is no evidence, but I'd be willing to bet $100 that it 99.99% likely happened for sure.
Neither Epstein nor John Barnett killed themselves.
@@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle I'll take that bet
He got suicided
yeah, Boeing killed him
Boeing management should have been criminaly prosecuted for the max crashes. Their decisions and short cuts murdred 346 people how they just got away with fines is a great injustice.
Its sickening that nobody at Boeing was held criminally libel for the max deaths
Our system is very intentionally designed from the ground up to protect the rich from the poor. This just makes it obvious
Yeah I don't wanna fly on a 737 anymore now I know how poorly they are made.
A320 is a great and safe plane which I am very happy being on and have been all over the world
Liable you mean? And that makes no sense. Liability is a civil issue, not criminal. They're separate. They can be found liable but not face criminal charges, which is what usually happens sadly.
@@FrozenDung Airbus has design issues that you don't want to know about. Boeing has tripped themselves, for sure. But their fundamental approach to commercial aerospace design is superior to Airbus.
@@jameshisself9324yeah so superior that it kills 300 people and a door blows off lol
OBVIOUSLY..PROFIT OVER SAFETY!!!
The American way!! USA!! USA!! USA!! 🇺🇸
@@geneene8it's the lobbying way. No citizen asked for rampant lobbying like this.
They act as if they won't ever ride an Airplane themself
Executives will be flying private haha
Actually the company prioritized Diversity and Equity over safety. They went woke and lost their way..
The love of money is indeed the root of all evil
Or, to be more accurate, the root of all kinds of evil.
@@davidfrischknecht8261yup. Don’t ask God for help.. better repent and confess first
A symptom, not the root. The root is mental illness.
Normal capitalism
@@badbadbadcat expect they lost money. This is not capitalism.
If it is Boeing I ain't going.
The older birds are fine. The new ones are crap.
The older birds really aren't fine. Boeing had so many crashes through the 40s-90s@@guill90
Lol you still absolutely will
@@DrewDipsy So were all other plane makers. In fact, 737NG, 767 and 777 have excellent safety record, especially 737NG
@charlesfries flight finders now let you filter by maker. I only flight on airbus nowadays
When you hire MBA employees over engineers this is the result
I worked for a firm which was actually larger than KODAK in their industry, never had a layoff in over 77 years, but went bankrupt in just 3 years after the 2 owners, 3 son's took over using their newly minted Harvard MBA degrees.. Just one more monumental failure from Harvard.
@@mikewurlitzer5217 When CEOs or the people on top say it is about our people and we need to invest in our people, don't trust them see their actions. Usually what I have noticed is those are the managers/CEOs who will be looking to outsource their own people and not pay their people what they are worth, causing all sorts of issues. Also those are usually the people who will not innovate and are just in it for the ride till their next gig.
@@mikewurlitzer5217 The biggest debacle for American business has been the Harvard Business School. It used to be "Build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door." Now it's "Profit over product."
@@mikewurlitzer5217 Failure from Harvard? How? I would say that was a failure on THEIR part, or their employers. It would be like hiring someone with a MBA to manufacture cars, it wouldn't be the person with the MBA's fault, it would be their employer.
If it was a MBA engineer like in AMD, why not.
If America don't hold Boeing accountable then rest if the world will by not buying anymore Boeing planes. It will sink America reputation.
America need not to worry about its reputation when they practice gunboat diplomacy
@@robw6954 We're gonna need a bigger gunboat!
America sure is shaking in their boots now! What will they do when the world stops buying Boeing planes? They certainly aren't the media capital of the world, or the largest army in the world, nor do they have a dominance in electronics technology. Without Boeing, America will soon go out of business for sure!
@@robw6954so true.
"Our planes crashing? Who cares, buy it or we'll demo you."
Trump already ruined it. He’s all about profits over safety
What happened is that in the late '90's the board decided that the company didn't need to be a manufacturing company, it needed to be a profit generation company. It moved HQ away from Seattle, they removed engineers for management positions and replaced them with 'financial' people, they spun off parts of the manufacturing (Spirit is an example), and pushed everyone for profit-driven results as opposed to quality product results. Now we see people pointing these things out, when they were pointed out back when they happened.
The financial leadership hollowed out a storied manufacturing company, and have finally found out that there is a limit to how far you can run a company for pure profit. The current CEO was not necessarily the issue, just like the previous one was not the issue. They only do what the board tells them.
You are correct to a certain degree. If you are in the "C suite" and the board tells you to do something that is inherently wrong, you should have the moral courage to say "No" and deal with the consequences. Unfortunately that is not the case. Just like in the Army we had to (have to) obey LAWFUL orders of those appointed over us. You cannot massacre innocent civilians and then claim "I was just following orders." Yes, I know that happens but when it does those who carry out the orders (usually) face the consequences.
Most strange thing is that problems with quality leads to decrease in stock price which directly harms investors and customers. So penny savings are just stupid in such situations
It give bonus to the bean counters... the MBAs.
By reducing cost...
Yes, but the CEO and shareholders have made their money. Now they step down and get another job.
Not to Wall-Street quarterly earnings call. They demand double digit profits every quarter.
It’s short term gains and avoiding costs
Like they can hide the incidents
The executives "stepping down" are just dodging responsibility! It executives are not charged nothing will ever change!!
Right? The whole board is pressuring the management to cut corners in the name of Money. The CEO is just a mouthpeice/scapegoat at this point. The next guy is just going to do the same thing. Stop flying Boeing
I think they’re skydiving enthusiasts because you can guarantee they’re jumping out of Boeing with golden parachutes.
@@brian5othem and their great great grandchildren will get golden parachutes from ill gotten gains.
@@brian5o It's the joke I came here to make, and I'm glad someone did! Unlike their customers boeing execs get a golden parachute to glide down on
Who do you think is going to charge them? And what are they going to charge them with? Business owners have caused accidents killing their workers, or innocent bystanders by their negligence or greed. And none of them have gone to jail. It’s just not something we do in America, it would be nice if we put a few executives in jail. But I don’t see that happening anytime soon.
If It's Boeing, I'm Not Going.™
@@Plutogalaxy anyway, relevant comment
Airbus is an ENGINEERING company ran by an ENGINEER.
Boeing is an ENGINEERING company ran by a BEAN COUNTER
And DEI crazies at Blackrock, Vanguard.
the head of Airbus speaks a minimum of 2 languages...
the Boeing boss only money!
Bean counters in massive debt from schooling!
The famous slogan ever heard -
Designed by clowns, supervised by monkeys.......😅😂😅
@@mikewurlitzer5217
So what you’re trying to say is you don’t even know what DEI means. That’s pretty sad since all of the Boeing executives during this problem are mostly white males. Are they the diversity you’re talking about?
Careful guys, we all know what happens to people that talk bad about Boeing.
stock bros always mess everything up. when companies primary goal is to please investors this happens.
The ultimate irony is that Boeing only focusing on investors is what hurt Boeing investors.
They also need to open an investigation into that whistle blower's "suicide" when he wasn't done testifying about all of the safety issues.
They have.
@@CubicSpline7713 yes, he comited suicide, because the found a letter, written of Boeing paper by hand...
but not in his hand writing,
so its been 100% suicide!
I anticipate the US government will investigate itself and find it did nothing wrong. Boeing is a defense contractor, so a government investigation into this is the case of Fox V Henhouse
An airplane manufacturer shouldn't be on the stock market. You shouldn't care about maximizing profits there. It was just pure greed.
Why not? It’s a business afterall
Because airline companies are treated like utilities. If they mess up, the government will save them.
You can be profitable and deliver save aircrafts. Boeing did it for decades. Airbus still does it.
But if you switch safety and long term profitability for short term, this is what happens.
Airbus is a public company. Top 3 shareholders: French government, Germany government, Spanish government
It should be state-owned.
An aircraft engineer needs to be the CEO to bring back the engineering based company aspect of it
In a perfect world.
6:09 - Boeing was in denial of MCAS issues since the first two crashes occurred outside the US in developing countries. Their response would have been 180 degrees different otherwise. Many things are wrong within the entire system. The FAA granted Boeing rights to self certify airworthiness of its aircraft since 2009 - what a joke, no doubt things are where they are now.
“Boeing needs to become a better company” that’s very strong language coming from Southwest airlines 💀
Jeopardizing safety because of greed is just evil, especially airplane safety where small mistake can end up with hundreds of people killed
The problem is, when manufacturing quality is good, QC inspections seem useless because they only ever write “no problems found”. So a CEO comes in, cuts inspections, ups profits, and investors love it. You can get away with it because, it takes time for bad QC to take effect and degrade overall quality.
Years later, stuff starts breaking but the offending CEO is long gone with his golden parachute.
If it's Boeing, I ain't going.
I'd rather take an Airbus, a train or a boat.
If it's Boeing, heads will be rolling
Even a 757?
@@titan9259 airbus has better safety they rarely had crashes
@@aganbraganca4156 Depends on the model.
If the employees tell you they won't fly the bird why would you as a customer ?
I can answer that: Corporate greed, overworked and understaffed employees, finger pointing, and good ole fashioned union busting!
.You maybe right on all of those except unions. Once the socialists/communists gained control of Unions they have been a malignant cancer on industry. Yes they were ONCE needed but now they are killing industry just as fast as the myriad of all the alphabet agencies in government. In my 60 years in corporate American, only ONCE, during a mere 2 days, did I deal with stellar union people on an emergency construction project. Unions protect people who could not get a job pouring a coffee at Starbucks but now are even getting their commie fingers into that company
Unqualified employees is another one
@@oofballz4328 no thank you. The above mentioned is just fine!
@@lauren6509 yeah cuz you have a hard time accepting the fact that we’re no longer a meritocracy, which is what I’m disappointed about as well
@@oofballz4328 the US was NEVER a meritocracy. Since the rich kept getting richer by exploiting poor folks labour we've always had handouts (GI bill, social security, welfare, home loans, etc.) So you made a moot point.
CNBC, this is an excellent piece of journalism. No bias, no spin, no BS. You should do more of this.
That is forbidden by the DNC's propaganda machine at NBC and MSNBC. Without their lies, spin, BS AND the most dishonest tactic in all of Journalism: "LIES BY OMISSION" they can assure the public will never know what they do not know.
There is a bias they left out whistleblower murder.
CNBC and NBC in general are usually pretty good.
What planet do you live on? NBC loved DJT until the very day he announced he would run against Hillary. Then he became public enemy #1 and it was the non-stop lying about the Hillary campaign created and funded Trump/Russia hoax EVEN AFTER IT WAS PROVEN TO BE A Hillary campaign hoax. @@RealisticTimberwolvesFan
They touched on the recent decline in stock price without mentioning that a Boeing whistleblower was murdered. Seems like they left a pretty important piece of context out.
It’s what people have been saying for years about everything: they don’t make ‘em how they used to. Whatever you could possibly think of like, new cars, houses, electronics, appliances, etc, are crap now. Nothing is built to last anymore.
Facts
Not everyone ! AIRBUS is TOP quality
@@CarpeDiem13x the key is to not be in an overly developed capitalist society
I reject the notion that cars were better years ago. Easier to FIX, absolutely. But living in Western NY I cannot count the number of times a well maintained car failed me in rain, snow, cold weather [give me some of that global warming]. Fuel Injection has been a massive improvement along with various computer controls. They are just impossible for the "Shade Tree" mechanics to fix.
my Samsung washing machine is 20 years old!
3 things happened to Boeing:
1)They put profits ahead of Engineering.
2)They joined the wrong company Or allowed the wrong company to joined them.
3)The killed their wistleblower.
4)They dont have a Quality Department. Anything gets build without inspection at all. It will be sacary to fly any Boeing aircraft in the upcoming years......
Hope I did not miss anything.....
That's 4 things
Missed only felony murder of two plane loads of people.
Interesting interview with the CEO of Ryan air that they are receiving new Max aircraft with parts missing and tools left in the plane ✈️ that was possibly the final straw for Boeings CEO
And the stupid phukn FAA regulators let boring self certify the Max pos
If these incidents had happened on Airbus planes then I am sure the FAA would have quickly banned all Airbuses from US airspace.
They would not have grounded the ENTIRE Airbus fleet, if that's what you're saying. That's not how it works. They would've grounded the type that crashed until it was gotten to the bottom of.
It took them so much complaining and coping until the US finally start grounding max. Lol.
It seems like this may be classic example of how America is fading away like their senses.
"I have commited myself to the board" What about the victims or future lives that travel on their death machines? 🤬🤬🤬
japan really needed to make airplanes!
Apparently American corporations can’t seem to solve such issues.
Honda has started but so far, it has just been small executive aircraft. Hopefully they’ll take what they’ve learned and branch out to commercial aircraft.
Mitsubishi tried with their MRJ/SpaceJet program, but it eventually failed and the program was shut down. They would have faced incredible competition from Bombardier/Airbus
I really don't think there's a single company or country out there that can challenge the Airbus and Boeing duopoly. Bombardier was the one that came closest with the CSeries, but they also ran out of money and were absorbed into Airbus, with that jet now being called the Airbus A220.
Embraer isn't in a position to directly challenge Boeing or Airbus as they are struggling in the regional jet market with their E2 jets. I can't see them moving beyond the regional market and trying to challenge the A320/737 directly, let along with a larger widebody jet.
COMAC in China hasn't even had their C919 jet certified by Western authorities, and they'll struggle to build out a robust, domestic supply chain with natively designed and built engines. They have they best chance of any nation/company out there, but it won't be easy, and it will take over a decade to become a decent threat. By then, Airbus and Boeing might be launching their next-gen aircraft, thus making the C919 obsolete.
Russian industry is doomed as a result of the conflict. Few if any Western nations will want to support their commercial aviation sector, and they will struggle even more than the Chinese at developing a robust and independent domestic supply chain. Their Sukhoi Superjet was a decent attempt, but it ultimately failed due to the poor logistics chain that would have supported the jet outside of Russia and the CIS... and that was before the conflict.
Other US and European companies like Lockheed and SAAB have also tried to sustain a commercial division and failed, turning to military applications instead. It's very likely that the likes of Northrop and BAe will avoid entering this market as well.
Maybe South Kora through KAI could try to enter the market, but I doubt it. Developing a brand new airliner is INCREDIBLY expensive and resource intensive, and few countries have the resources, industry, labour, capital, and motivation to do so. They would also need to set up a global supply chain to support these aircraft. If Russia, Canada and Japan tried and failed, I don't see how any other country aside from China could succeed.
@@AirShark95 At first you don't succeed, dust yourself off and try again
Toyota Airlines.
One word. GREED
Diversify and Equity became the major goal of upper management.. When it used to be Safety. Was not greed, it was becoming a WOKE company.
@@northyland1157define those two word you just wrote the DEI and Woke
If you don't know by now what those words mean it is because you DON'T WANT To KNOW, and you will play Wack-0-Mole with anyone who tries to educate you.@@taoriq3632
They started declining before you ever heard of "woke".
6:28 Don’t give Boeing any credit for “owning up” to the problem, they didn’t have a choice! It had continued denying that there was any issues up until it was literally undeniable!
Then, after “accidentally” killing the passengers and crew of the Ethiopian flight, they purposefully “sue cided” the whistleblower!
This.
Exactly it’s their company they must own up to it
Corporate greed, an emphasis on shareholder value is to blame. Boeing is just a symptom of a much larger problem that’s led to concentration of wealth and a shrinking middle class.
It's a management culture thing. Boeing has a long history of putting engineering and safety first. However, modern American management puts short term profit and stockholder value above all things. With the accountants in control - quality and safety are no longer as important as profit.
It's what they teach at MBA schools.
In the West, investors have a mindset of getting returns on investments relatively quickly (
@@CubicSpline7713 Ironically I seem to recall they had to bring in American Construction Management to help finish the Channel Tunnel after it fell well behind schedule and budget overruns due to the ground conditions encountered during tunneling...
Took a flight on Tuesday morning. Thankfully I made it because it was an Airbus.
The fact there’s so many contractors and sub contractors and contractors for those sub contractors. Hard to see how you keep strict quality control with all that.
Maybe they should ask Airbus how they do it?
They would refuse to accept what Airbus tells them.
This is what happens when you value money over safety
those in the FAA should also be jailed
Why stop there?
Can you name any government agency that is corrupt to the core?
The problem goes deeper awhile back the government gave Boeing its own FAA Regulatory self-approval , in other words they have their own “FAA” people employed by Boeing.
Yes, the building that the FAA is in should be placed in jail. For whatever since that makes. You want to put somebody in jail talk to Congress they’re the ones who were told by law to allow Boeing more latitude.
Don’t you remember saying the government is stupid and shouldn’t stand in the way of business innovating. Boeing decided innovating more money at the expensive safety, so maybe you should be in jail
The root of that problem is the elimination of the CAB, the Civil Aeronautics Board. The FAA was supposed to only REGULATE the airlines and aircraft builders. The CAB worried more about promoting air travel, keeping the companies financially healthy, etc.
What a well-produced feature. Well researched and hits spot-on with the explanation to the current Boeing crises.
Boeing managers officially preferred to fire the messenger. They blackballed and harassed managers who actually reported quality issues.
I refuse to fly Southwest bc of the Max 8
Stephanie Pope is another bean-counter, not an engineer. Good choice.
Muilenburg was an engineer, look how that turned out.
It's not about bean counting, it's about SMART bean counting that isn't millions wise but billions foolish
@@outermarker5801 she was handpicked by previous CEO ro maintain status quo? It highly probable.
@@outermarker5801he had an engineering degree but his positions were largely managerial. It isn’t about being an engineer but it’s about being someone who understands the world of mass manufacturing and specifically a deep knowledge of aerospace engineering, design and manufacturing. Pope is literally the least qualified person in that regard because her history of working at the company has all been on the financial side and that’s ignoring the fact that she literally worked for McDonnell Douglas before Boeing acquired them.
Mullenburg likely inherited the drive and focus for profits from McNerney - a General Electric/Jack Welch acolyte.
This, "Invasion of the bean counters " happened to GM in the 70's. They lost their superb engineering reputation taking shortcuts.
Crappy products. Crappy labor relations. Loss of customer loyalty.
I can't remember where I read this, but someone said that Boeing used to be an engineering company that made money, now it's a money making company that does some engineering on the side.
Boeing just needs to stop cutting corners , and do the proper job .
The problem is they think they can cut corners and build cheap to make money. But they don't understand if people don't trust your planes they will refuse to go on them.
When Boeing and Southwest were negotiating the 737 MAX order, Boeing stated that they would give Southwest a discount of $1 million per plane if simulator training were required, given the cost of these simulators (a single full motion simulator can cost over $5 million). Given that Southwest has 280 737 MAXs on order, this could get costly. So Boeing treated MCAS as if it was not an important change downplaying any need for training. The plane has critical differences compared to previous versions of the 737s, and pilots should be trained for those scenarios.
You mean if simulator training were not required?
Because Boeing put money before safety. The Max design is a knee jerk to try and catch up with Airbus and their A320 Neo. The MCAS system (which used a single sensor and had no redundancy) was installed as a fix to a problem Boeing created by fitting much bigger engines onto an old airframe. Worse still, Boeing weren't up front about the system during delivery. Even worse still, Boeing tried to blame the two airlines for 'pilot error'. RIP to all those who DIED because of Boeing greed. Boeing would be in Chapter 11 if either of those crashes had been a US carrier. What a dismal company Boeing has become. We can only hope that there aren't more MAX crashes. Shame on the Board. God bless Boeing victims
Idea: Once a week we need to have *a lottery* for Boeing where one of their employees has to fly on a domestic flight using one of their planes. _All_ employees need to be in the pool, and there's no getting out of it, merely delaying/deferring it for valid reasons. Any quality control issues would disappear _really quick._
Boeing's CEO and board should be mandated to be aboard test flights of all planes coming out of factory door... Without parachute.
Incorrect. CEO, upper MGMT and board of directors only fly on the Max
Because they're ✂️ cutting corners and making Garbage 🗑
Airbus has made mistakes as has every big company over the years. It’s going to be interesting to see how Boeing goes from here
Honestly the 737 800 has a far better safety record than the max itself
Last 2 flights I was on were Boeing 737-700 models. Was relieved to see that.
Just like when anything that is working and management destroys It. It starts slowly and only inside the company. (1996 - 2005)
Then a few months or years later, It starts to hit final consumer a little bit here and there. (2009 - 2017)
Then, a few more months or years, failures appear everywhere and almost everytime. That is when we (general public) take notice. (2018 - current days).
that's crazy that a company doing such a bad job still sells planes like nothing happened still succeeding being a leading seller of planes.
CEOs like Scott Kirby need to be held accountable as well. Why has United been so slack in their maintenance of their aircraft?
I flew with 737Max once before the two big accident occurred, after that I avoided any Boeing airplanes. My favorite airplanes to fly now are A320s, A330s, A350s, and A380.
How about setting an action for the next CEO? The next CEO they hire they should put in their contract that the CEO cannot get any bonus and can be fired without repercussions right away if there is a Boeing Airplane Crash or an issue, that is determined to come from a safety issue or design from Boeing. Ensure the passengers who are flying your planes that you are taking this seriously and it is written and that you will make this a core part of your business. Don't just say it in words but in action. So not only is this next CEO having to adhere to Wall Street but ultimately to its passengers who are flying their planes and customers.
Because if ultimately passengers don't want to fly your planes, then it will mean airlines will not buy your airplane and will sink the company anyhow. So again, don't just give us the talking points but make it so in black and white and in their contract!
In hindsight, Boeing should probably have gone through this kind of assessment when there were issues with the 787 rollout.
The problem is quality. Employees are being rushed and management over looks defects.
I refuse to travel on a Boeing ever again. When I'm booking flights I first find out what plane's they use and if it's Boeing I move on to the next airline. Simple.
Boeing top management forgetting they’re building plane. When you cut corner to maximize profit people die. Passenger and whistleblower.
We've already dealt with this issue when two planes crashed and Boeing has said that's not going to happen, and unfortunately, if they haven't addressed the issue in previous incidents, I don't think they're going to address it any time soon. . I think the Boeing era will come to an end sooner or later.
I recall this plane had a major design flaw that attributed to those two major crashes years ago. Their solution was to program the software to counterbalance the design problem so they didn't dive into the ground.
This Boeing model should never have been allowed in the air again, but of course Greed led the way and here we are.
Talking about the Max model here.
MCAS was already made for the 767 tanker but boeing chose to modify it and put it in the 737 minus 1 sensor.
Change and updates the management systems and probably will be great 👍 for the company and productive; especially dealing with the quality over the quantity issues
John Oliver covered this story on Max in depth a couple weeks ago. Its a shame. But welcome to America where profits are more important than quality & human life. 🤦🏾♀️ It also is a shame that Boeing employees who BUILD the planes said they wouldn't even fly on them! 😳
Boeing's quality decline began when Boeing management became dominated by ex-McDonnell Douglass managers, moved management from Seattle to Chicago, and then Virginia.
Yes we watched the video too
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@@rzkrdn8650 You can't punctuate an English sentence.
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If you don't like reading;
Then don't.
@@rzkrdn8650 Seven years, 5 subscribers: take the hint.
We know what happened. Corners were cut to increase profits. As always happens in big corporations of this kind eventually. It's just the nature of the beast.
I gotta fly next week. I guess I’ll pay attention to the safety briefing this time and write my will
1:03 exactly, i remembered being in the aviation community and there was that same exact saying
If it's a Boeing, I'm not going.
Resilience and quality focus is MASSIVELY profitable in the long-term, but extremely UNPROFITABLE in the short-term. Now take a random guess at what these MBA executives with zero engineering background prefer...
I hope MBAs will be seen as a blight to industry and innovation going into the future. They have poisoned nearly every single company they have touched. It's the companies that value engineering, quality and resilience that have thrived during periods of instability like the pandemic, and are outpacing their profit-hungry competitors like Airbus has with Boeing.
Good news: it's a self limiting trend.
Bad news: probably more people will die before things change.
Mr. Scott from Star Trek said it best. Something like the more complicated the machine,the eaiser it is to plug up the plumbing.
The saying used to be if it's not Boeing, I'm not going.
These days I imagine it's something along the lines of Always Fly Airbus.
It's ironic how Spirit Aerosystems was a part of Boeing, spun off, and now 25% of its profit comes from Airbus
Yahh, but not at the former Boeing facilities taken over by Spirit..
Spinning off Spirit in pursuit of profit is a classic General Electric move. Jack Welch would not have done anything different if he were the CEO of Boeing.
@@ACPilot This is such an important point to make. Other Spirit facilities are not as bad as the old boeing one
What's scary is that Alaska Airlines knew that particular Max had pressurized issues (3 times) days before and kept flying it. Instead of flying ETOP to Hawaii. Kept it flying over California....
Alaska Airlines should be sued for negligence.
Airlines are mandated to follow manufacturer's manuals/documentation for solving problems... Eventually contacting manufacturer if previous steps didn't solve it.
Also they have lists of issues/problems which cause limitations to operations, and which cause grounding of the plane.
Just can't see those lists including manufacturer making sloppy work on installing door plug related pressurization issues.
@@tuunaes Yes, I am aware there are lists of minimum equipment that must be in 100% operating condition before an aircraft is allowed to fly. The question I have is what exactly did Alaska Airlines do to troubleshoot the pressurization issues they were having with the aircraft? I'm sure they checked things like the outflow valves and the pressure bulkhead at the rear of the fuselage but did they check all door seals including the plug seal? If so they would probably have noticed the missing retaining bolts. Are you saying their mechanics can't think outside of some troubleshooting checklist Boeing may have published for pressurization issues?
Boeing NEEDS to replace the Board and put engineers and aircraft designers in charge of the company!
Get rid of the Bean Counters and Lawyers who only look for quick profit. Let engineers be in charge again!
McDonald Douglas wrecked this great company.
McDonnell Douglas was on the glide slope of mediocrity when this so-called merger was announced. Besides some military contracts they really brought nothing new to the table. They did not even have twin engine wide body expertise which is where the commercial airline industry was headed. It is now very obvious when you combine mediocrity (Douglas) with engineering excellence (old Boeing) you get failure and cultural rot (current Boeing).
One correction: MCAS was not a new system developed for the Max; it was software Boeing already had on the shelf originally developed for a military aerial refueling tanker. They just made some updates to it and implemented that in the Max. And they even cheapened out on that by offering a 1 sensor version.
Correct MCAS was based on something they developed for a Military program however you are incorrect about it being based on one sensor. The problem is that it had a single point of failure problem i,e. if one AoA sensor was malfunctioning the system had no way to tell it was receiving incorrect data and pushed the nose down until the aircraft crashed. They cheapened it by fooling the airlines and the FAA that pilots did not need additional expensive simulator training on the Max and never bothered to let pilots know they had a crazy co-pilot buried in the software.
Lockheed should enter the commercial airplane market again lol
min 4 billion dollar for an extra long range widebody
L-1011 tried, but failed
Time for MASSIVE investment in high speed passenger rail. Flying is not possible to decarbonize for decades anyway. Makes no sense to prop up the airline industry.
Sorry our money will be going to Israel
@@trustandbelieve9173 It's sad actually.
Sending the money to Ukraine instead would stop two major conflicts.
But USA chooses to keep both conflicts active.
Why are you calling for starving plants of their major source of food, CO2? Guess you never got the 100% provable message that way more people die each year from cold than from heat. Notice the liars in the DNC and their propagandist in the MSM NEVER state what the ideal global temperatures should be. Warming would actually save lives every year. What a great job the MSM has done on the ignorant.
"stepped up to the plate"
It's hard for them to deny or ignore it.
They didn't want to, they had to.
I have worked many manufacturing jobs. I was always told safety,quality then productivity. Easier said than done obviously.
Most of us passengers have a choice not to fly in these dodgy planes but I guess a lot of the aircrew don't have that luxury.
McDonnell Douglass, that's what happened
Profit over safety policy is the most dangerous aspect of the industry.
Shame on you
Not only aviation industry, but also healthcare industry, food industry and pharmaceutical companies are all the same.
We have a lot of folks who have regular travel in our office. Our send-off is now usually something along the lines of, "Safe travels! Don't book a 737!"
I won't be flying Boeing, I'm rather flying Airbus, Embraer or by train domestically or ship internationally.
Why exactly?
@JayJayAviation maybe because he does not want to die...just saying
@@HellStr82 seems extremely contradictory
If Calhoun is holding on till the end of the year for an extra payday in stock, dump him NOW! The board should exercise a claw back of his past bonuses, leave him with his base pay. Mismanagement should not be rewarded.
Yes but unfortunately that is how their contracts are setup. If they really want to be serious why not put it in their contract that the next CEO should have 0 airplane crash due to an issue that is determined to be a safety issue by Boeing. If so then they cannot be rewarded any bonus and should be terminated without any repercussions. If they really mean business do that and establish that you will put safety first to ensure passengers.
I'm ok flying most certified aircraft. My big worry is the quality of maintenance. Poor maintenance shows up as problems with one particular carrier. I'm thinking of United.
don’t worry, the government will bail em all out, all of the time.
By government, you mean the American people
See how well you've been re-educated by the MSM and government schools filled with Marxist controlled Teacher's Unions? Government does not, and cannot bail out anyone. Only TAXPAYERS do that, but every lying MSM outlet or public school never tells that 100% verifiable truth.
Never flying in Boeing, only airbus
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Thanks to TSA, I went from an average of 100 flights per year to ZERO and have not flown in over 12 years
What about Embraer or Bombardier?
Damn@@mikewurlitzer5217
As Gordon Gekko said: Greed is good, greed is right, greed works.
Until Boeing returns to its roots-engineering, then the C Suite must change to engineers, not accountants. Just build solid aircraft that are safe and then worry about profitability to share holders. Off branching Spirit was a major fail. Likewise having the C Suite located outside of production meant accountants were more important than engineers who build airplanes. They need to change their culture because it is sinking their brand.
Absolutely criminal this company - that 737 Max brand is good as a dumpster.
I know some dumpster brands that are better.