I want to point out that Atharis were historically repressed by Asharite power so the spread of asharism is political and not tied to authenticity of idea. In the same vain most of the ummah is hanafi, that does not make hanafi mathab the strongest (it's probably the weakest actually). The spread of hanafi mathab was entirely political with hanafi rulers appointing hanafi judges and judges spreading the mathab. Hanbalis for example refused judicial positions and refused dealings with rulers out of taqwa that's why the mathab has fewer adherents.
The widespread adoption of the hanafi madhab not being an indication of it being the strongest is a fair comment but to suggest quite flippantly that it is probably the weakest is equally unfair. One could equally argue that it spread because its methodology allowed for the required flexibility to deal with very complex matters of state and governance (tax collection, defence, economy, welfare distribution, civil courts etc). When it comes to worship, all 4 schools are equally comprehensive but in matters of state (without sounding bias) the ummah is largely indebted to the contributions of the hanafi and the Maliki madhabs because they had to govern. But anyway, this is a completely different topic. So coming back to the point at hand, what exactly from the athari creed was repressed by Ash’arite power? There is also a problem in defining exactly what athari creed means since it is not used by everyone to embody the same set of beliefs. Athari creed is hotly contested as demonstrated in the various comments for this video alone
@Wayfarer The term ‘athari’ is contested brother as we all want to claim the Salaf but disagree what they were upon, specifically with regard to these points of creed regarding the attributes such as hand, eye etc. The statements of the Salaf are also open to multi variant readings so everyone to some degree is super imposing their own interpretation on the salaf to support their own narrative. One camp says the Salaf did tafwidh of the meaning and the other insists they confirmed the literal meanings. One camp says these are mutashabihat verses and the other says they are not. The quranic verse itself is open to variant tafseers which is another legitimate difference in understanding. Are they mutashabihat verses and if so, did Allah intend that only he knows their true meanings or did he also include those grounded in knowledge would know their meanings? What is clear to me brother is that you will not be able to unite the ummah on a single verdict. The differences exist and are here to remain. The question now arises must we insist that everyone adopts my understanding (which is one interpretation but not the only one) and if they do not, they are innovators. Or can we find some middle ground where we will just need to agree to disagree while accepting each other as believers and not excommunicating people out of the fold of ahlus sunnah, and thereby causing division and disunity. And Allah knows best
Maturidis and Asha’ris affirm the attributes of Allah (swt). I don’t know where they get this nonsense belief that Asha’ris and Maturidis don’t affirm names and attributes of Allah (swt). How dare this so called “DawahMan” compare the Mu’tazilla to Asha’ris and Maturidis. This (DawahMan) guy is a definite Jahil.
Maturidis and Asha'aris make ta'wil, but the correct position of Ahl Al Sunnah wa Al Jama'a is that of affirming the meaning of the sifat of Allah (معنى) and leaving the "how" (كيف) saying that Allah knows best and that nothing is similar to Him.
@@muslimtraveller1 ok but isn't that a small matter, in the sense that they BOTH agree you cant take the literal meaning. I mean why all the fighting over this minor gripe? Ok so one is more correct than the other, I understand, but divisions over this when the Ummah is crying for a unified Ummah? I just think this is an utter disaster cos it's the lay Muslim who suffers. Anyway that's how I see it. Allah SWT knows best.
Most of the Sunni ummah throughout Islamic history has been Ashari/Maturidi. Salafis are a small and relatively recent group, starting in 1800s (Muhammad Abdul Wahab). And historically Hanbali Athari’s were not “Salafi” and they opposed Abdul Wahab, stating this for those salafis who think Athari’s were before Ashari’s. Not your Athari’s mate!
@Wayfarer Which books did you read? A lot of his writings that are widely available in English may appear very basic and uncontroversial. However, to understand what he meant, you need to read big books like Durar as-Saniyyah and Ibn Bishr's Tarikh an Najd. They were takfiris and mass murderers. There is a very good reason essentially all Sunni 'ulama condemned them when they emerged.
It's never been about affirming attributes. The asharis/maturidis affirm the attributes of Allah, they just don't say these attributes are bodily. RasulAllah pbuh praised Mehmet fateh, a maturidi Sufi hanafi
Pretty much, they affirm the words and leave meaning/modality to God. However, if they interpret they won't give a literal one (like limbs etc) as it doesn't fit God's majesty. These verses are mutashaabihaat and should be treated as such.
As for huwa as sameeun al aleem, no Ashari or Maturdhi denies these attributes. They accept as they are, only the mutashaabihaat (limbs etc) are left to God. Imagine calling them Jahmites, Drama man is a pure takfiri.
@@SarimulMaslul We will see who is laughing at the day of judgement when the the people of Yazid and Ibn Taymiyah and Ibn Wahab And Saudi Fanily stand with the Zionists
The issue of Afganistan because of no aqeedah, issue in Palestine because of no aqeedah, issue in Syria no aqeedah but when it came to Damaj the goal post changed because it was there own home boys. The only Athari group which gave victory to Islam was the Murabitun of North Africa & Spain, I stand to be corrected? Mumluks were Ashari, Ottomans were Maturidi, Muwahidoon were Ashari.
The Ashaira creed does not deny the attributes of Allahu ta’ala. We affirm the attributes of Allah such yad, ayn, saaq on the meaning that which befits Allahu ta’ala while negating the literal meaning that entails jaariha. We use ta’wil without distorting and changing what was mention in the qur’an and the hadith in order to refute the Ahlul Bid’ah that causes fitna and The one who have doubts in their mind.
@@BroHajjibro hajji I already watch your athari creed, it doesnt answer our creed obviously, We believe our creed goes back to Imam Shafi’i Rahimuhullah ta’ala then to his students Abdullah Ibn Said Qahtan . This is our firm aqeedah no matter what people says especially salafis. I am an ex salafi former follower of Shamsi hahah and I want to thank you for being a stage of retracting myself from salafiyya because of your najdi lectures and refuting their position in khuruj. BarakaAllahu feekh.
@@ShafiAshari Do you believe that Imam Ahmad(Ra) was wrong and the mutazila were correct? So it is written by Abu Zahra in his Biography of Imam Ahmad or by Al Buti.
A reminder to us all including myself: A man's Islam is not secure unless it is based on submission and surrender. Anyone who desires to know things which it is beyond his capacity to know, and whose intellect is not content with surrender, will find that his desire veils him from a pure understanding of Allah's true Unity, clear knowledge and correct belief, and that he veers between disbelief and belief, confirmation and denial and acceptance and rejection. He will be subject to whisperings and find himself confused and full of doubt, being neither an accepting believer nor a denying rejector. Aqidah Tahawiya
Are these people for real Salah Al deen is worth a million of him instead of labelling people and trying to divide the Ummah you should be using what ever little knowledge they have to bring the Ummah back together as one Ummah. These people are wrong with this I disagree with dawahman they will never be able to accomplish anything like Salah Al Deen may Allah grant him the highest ranks in heaven. And may Allah guide us all and allow the Ummah to unite the Prophet Abrahim said we are Muslims not sunni or Shia or wahabi or kharagee these are all labels created to divide and weaken the Muslim ummah
Sorry but you started well but then ended it on pure ignorence of the faith, yes asharis maturidis atharis and all schools of suni fiqh are united and should be together , but the Shia or khawarij you do not know there beliefs it's in the fundamentals to slander islam you can't unite with Shia , by the way I was a Shia I know them inside out. Sunni Islam is orthodox Islam , the rest were made to damage Islam. Not 85% of the Islamic world the deviants need to come to us not us to them.
Most laymen around the world who believe in Allah SWT and all the attributes such as described in Surah-ul-Ikhlas and follow the teachings of the Holy Prophet SAW wouldn't even know what are all the creed terms the Salafis are talking about. The Salafis are making it a big deal without even knowing what Aqidah truly means. Yet, it is sad to see the Salafis going around calling everyone a kaffir and Ahlul-bid'ah who could be much better and upright Muslims than they are. It is heartbreaking to see the condition of the Ummah today.
*I’m a bit new to this stuff. Help me understand better:* So Super-Salafis or Neo-Salafis believe that ONLY the Salafis are within the Ahl As-Sunnah. But the Super Salafis are criticized for saying that their small fraction of the Ummah is the only saved group. 1. So which other groups are actually a part of the Ahl As-Sunnah? 2. What are the general principles for determining if a group falls under the Ahl-As Sunnah category?
The saved sect are sunnis following true athari (not pseudo athari/salafi creed) ashari and maturidi creed and hanafi Maliki shafii hanbali fiqh and the authentic Sufi orders (not the crazy fake dancing music sufis)
The vast majority of the Islamic world is ashari maturidi including our scholarship. We also consider athari as part of Ahlus sunnah wal jamah. Anybody who says asharis maturidis ain't ahlus sunnah he is a misguided wretch.
These people, with all followers, with all their leaders, and all their armies and their power are not worth the dirt beneath Salahuddin's shoes. May Allah raise the status of Salahuddin (RA) and give us all hidayah. Ameen.
Brother the work you’re doing is truly appreciated and long over due! These individuals have caused so much Fitna and aggression specifically towards laymen Muslims. Jazak Allah Khayr!
This video of Dawah man is what made me not take him serious. The idea that Allah will not support the Asharis with victory is a very dangerous position to take. The Asharis are Sunnais and the Sunnis are ASWJ. These super salafis are mostly fanatics, they just wanna divide and cause chaos. The vast majority of the ummah is Ashari and the Asharis are ASWJ's too regardless of the differences we might have with them on the Sifat. May Allah cure their hearts and give them wisdom. The sultan that conquered Constantinople was an Ashari too.
I been reading the comment section of dawah man video about this. Apparently he is deleting comments from the other side which if this is true, shows their dishonesty and lack of integrity.
yes he did. i rread the comments a while ago and it was full of people making jokes about him ( which is wrong) and those got deleted. also some people who were just criticizing him also got deleted.
Sayyudina Umar (may Allah ta'ala be pleased with him) wasn't an Ashari, but I don't remember him calling himself a salafi or madkhali 🤣🤣🤣 Got to love the second rate reasoning.
I’ve never really understood the position of affirming attributes such as hand, eye upon the apparent meaning when the apparent meaning is a limb/part of a body which Allah is free from. So when you say you affirm the apparent meaning but then deny the meaning is a part, then what apparent meaning are you affirming. It just seems bizarre that you affirm a meaning but are then unable to actually give the meaning. It suggests that these are actually the mutashabihat verses and only Allah knows their true meanings. So you believe in the verses as they have been revealed. Their recitation is their explanation and I believe what Allah intended from these verses and move on. That’s what seems to be the safest position of the earliest generations as they just did not delve into these verses in any great detail. We seem to have imposed our own understanding upon the statement of the Salaf which in themselves are open to variant interpretations. So when imam Malik says istiwa is known. One group says imam Malik meant it’s known from its literal meaning while the other camp says that he meant it’s known as it was revealed to us in the Quran. So one statement from the Salaf claimed by all and interpreted to fit their own narrative. Further evidence that these verses are not crystal clear and from the mutashabihat verses that Allah informed us of in his book. And Allah knows best
Tafweedh was the way of the salaf. The asharis and maturidis were not influenced by Greek philosophers in the sense that they took creed from them, but they learned debating and stylistic rational argumentation and used them against the Greeks. Those who took some creed from Greeks and mixed them with Islam were mutazila
@Wayfarer No problem if one says Allah has a hand that best befits his majesty and just leaves it at that. However, the salafi is not content with this and insists that I must affirm the hand upon its literal meaning, otherwise I am an innovator. It’s this insistence to affirm upon the literal meaning particular attributes such as hand, eye etc. that is a problem as every conception of a literal meaning for these words is a limb or body part. However, Life, mercy, etc. are attributes which do not pertain to body parts so to affirm the literal meaning of life for both Allah and humans is not problematic as allahs life is not like ours as there is nothing like unto him. The same approach does not work for the hand, eye etc if you insist that they must be affirmed upon their literal meaning as the literal meaning of a hand is still a body part. It’s usually explained away by saying allahs hand is not like ours just like a hand of a clock or a hand of a door is unlike ours. But this still does not resolve the problem as the hand of a clock, door or anything else is still a body part and Allah is free from body parts. So I recite these verses as they were revealed and believe in them what Allah intended by them. That to me seems to be a safe position to take and well within the fold of ahlus sunnah. What I do know is that delving into these matters in any great detail has never been a means of getting closer to Allah. Constantly seeking these out is maybe a sign of the Zayg and sickness in my heart that Allah warns us of so I sincerely believe that these are from the mutashabihat verses and only Allah knows there true meaning. Yet I shall be hurled out of the fold of ahlus sunnah or deemed to be an innovator by some for taking this position. This is what causes all the discord and disunity as though iman was predicated on these finer details of theology which the ordinary Muslim is simply oblivious to. And Allah knows best
Ma sha allah! Brother May allah reward you for your efforts in debunking and exposing the separatists. This is the 1st time ever I have come across in any platform (Online & Physical) a person who claims himself to be an Athari and promotes unity among the Athari & Ashari Creeds.
Unity amongst Athari and Ashari creeds? No such thing as unity with Sunnah v/s Bidah. No place for the mistakes of Abul Hasan Ashari (which he later rectified before his death, may Allah have mercy on him) within the Sunnah. The Sunnah (Athar) is different from the Bidah of Abul Hasan Ashari and Abu Mansoor Maturidi.
He has the GALL to label Salahuddin Al Ayyubi a deviant 🤣🤣🤣. Subhanallah you couldn’t even reach the level of the soles of his shoes and you DARE try to insinuate his inferiority Allahu Akbar. So called Dawah Man may as well call himself Takfir Man
Man how do some people have audacity to call him ahlul biddah..bro he took the mosque of Al Aqsa and it was with muslims for years..Man this salafis label everyone..and mark my words there will come a time when they go against khulfa e rashideen fatwas..
This is not just from dawah man. I've heard this from salafi scholars before called Hazrat Salahuddin RA as an ashari mubtadi. I also have read a question asking why ahlul bidah books are studied in salafi circles and madrasas to which Albani repliednin affirmative that Ibn Hajr and Imam Nawawi are from ahlul bidah.
When Shamsi claimed that no one know the correct beliefs of ASWJ during the time of Salaa'huddiyn Al-Ayyuwby RHM, he is actually imitating the method of his grandmaster Ibn 'AbdulWahhaab An-Najdiy exactly who declared neither ALL of his teachers nor all the Muslims in Shaam, in 'Iraaq, in Yamaan, in Hijjaaz thus fiy kulli makaan do not know the meaning of Laa ilaha illaLLAAH; he even goes so far as claiming he himself was ignorant of it until he gain Ma'griyfa on the matter directly from ALLAAH. A completely broken chain. He was the FIRST to make this claim according to himself. 😂😂😂😂😂 Ie the whole Muslim world completely failed at the very FIRST Pillars of Islaam thus rendering the other four pillars void. This audacious and nonsensical claim of his is the reason why many 'ulamaa during his time, especially the Hanaabila who were the first to stood up and oppose the heresy of Ibn 'AbdulWahhaab An-Najdiy declared him a false prophet.
Jazakallah so sad to see the divisions and confusion being caused by certain individuals regarding aqidah problems, years ago I never used to hear youngsters talk about these stuff the ulama should, now kids as soon as 19-20 all suddenly become aqidah experts, the salaf never talked about these stuff we shouldn’t unless there is a need to, when a deviant sect is growing and it’s going against the main principles of Islam, that’s when we interfere and warn from these people and explain aqidah to youngsters, but wallahi petty stuff is pointless, now that the division and hate is spread jazakallah bro hajji for explaining, I’m from bilad a-sham so my dad who studied under scholars who follow ashari creed follows the asharis, according to my knowledge asharis make up most of the Muslims…but he never talked about sifat etc when he taught us as kids only the main principles regarding aqidah, my dads studied in Syria and Jordan since 1970-1980s and till now
Even matters in 'Aqiyda has classifications: Wajiybaat. Mustahilaat. Jaizaat. The Salaafis don't admit or rather more likely do not even know of the existence of the 3rd classification. When one sees these classfications: Halaal Mu'akkad Haruws/Mubah Makruw'h Haraam These are fiq'hi classifications. Not those of 'Aqiyda. While Tasawwuf deals with the matters of intention, purification of the heart and the ego.
I think shamsi does have a good point in terms of the influence of ashaariyyah on the nurture and nature of Salaahuddin (r.a), it wasn't opposed much around Salaahuddin as Bro hajji mentions even the family and closest mentors were asha'ari, so it makes sense why he was deemed passionate about the creed and spread it as he was a passionate Muslim, likewise he would also be passionate about his creed. And Allah knows best.
guys ash’aris does not DENY the attributes LOL - its just on some of the attributes we DO NOT give modality (kafliyya) to eyes, ascending, etc!!! Allah clearly says he is NOTHING like his creation - MULTIPLE TIMES - as in nothing like us - so yes we accept, what the authentic hadiths say and Quran - our discussion of how? STOPS THERE - as it should lol….. simple
not to mention that Malik, tabari, shafi’i and many others had similar aspects especially when people try to place Allah (swt) in a place and time - giving him boundaries …. learn , read
How people fail to understand this baffles my mind. I think its because they refuse to understand this point about the Ashari. The Athari are not meant to use logic to prove the existance of God. But you see all these TH-cam Daiee's using logical arguments to prove the existence of God. Everything is upside down these days.
@@JohnSmith-tn9ll The birth of Isa AS is also not logical, yet you believe it because Allah said so. The same with Allah saying he has hands, eyes etc. He said so in the Qur'an, then you believe but we don't know how they look like, as far as I know, Allah doesn't mention how it looks like. Allah says he has hands, then you believe that he has hands, khalas. What is wrong accepting what Allah said in the Qur'an?
@@13thdivision70 The birth of Isa AS has a logical explanation. Just because you dont know it, doesnt mean you should assume that I accept the miraculous birth story.
Didn't salahuddin and his followers celebrate the Mawlid? These great people saw the prophet pbuh in their dreams and liberated Al quds, they are sufi followers who did intercession through the prophet pbuh. So if the super salafis, wahabis or atharis want to call them innovators that's on them and Allah will be the judge. Leave aqeeda to the 6 article of faith why go so deep on how you inteperate allahs hands or attributes, leave that to Allah and the unknown. We will all find out on the day of judgement, how is arguing over such things smart, we should all unite on ahle sunnah!
These Madkhalis are too arrogant and will never accept they're wrong. They think their little saved sect is on the truth and everyone else is not on the correct Aqeedah lol
Bro Hajji may Allah reward you... I would love if you did a breakdown of Muhammad IBN Abdul Wahhab and the Imam of Mecca of his time Imam Dahlan I think his name was... I would like to get an understanding of the beliefs of the Ottoman empire at the time and the 1st Saudi state... jazak Allah Khair
He was Sayyid Ahmad ibn Zaini Dahlan, noble descendant of Prophet Some our past scholars in Indonesia, learned directly from him, May Allah grant him paradise
Now takfir upon salahuddin ayyubi, takfir upon all imams, takfir upon people who makes selawat, discrediting the hadiths...but still muslims follow them
@@ahk3394 no objection of calling names & me pointing our bro hajji's hypocrisy is not that i support those group or hate bro hajji's. when bro hajji made video about layth, some people called out he wasnt this calm, respectful addressing other groups, bro hajji reply back, saying thats just who he is, calm , academic, even when he refutes islam hater like christian apologist david. but those who watch bro hajji's video we all know thats not the case, when bro hajji made video against salafi or madkhali, we knew how he speak, ofcourse these group arent worse than layth or christian missionary
@@CaliphForCaliphate It's not about the group but how they treat him. Abu Layth speaks in a nice manner to him so Hajji reciprocates. The Super Salafis call him Khariji, Donkey, Khabeeth and all sorts of slurs and he reciprocates that. Allah says in the Qur'an: ".......So whoever has assaulted you, then assault him in the same way that he has assaulted you. And fear Allah and know that Allah is with those who fear Him"
@Bro Hajji I like your anti super salafi videos. Please continue. You made a comment saying "I am an athari and not mufawwid". The Hanbali Athari creed is tafweed (affirm and consign). You haven't read Ibn Qudamahs lum'ah etc. Uthaymeen criticises Ibn Qudamah r.a. on this. Proper Hanbalis are atharis who affirm and consign. This is correct position of Ahlus sunnah. If you claim you are an athari who does not consign (tafweed) then please don't make everyone think you follow the Hanbali creed when you clearly don't. Seems like you follow the super salafi tashbeehi creed? Wallahu a'lam جزاك الله خيرا
My brother if I was to open up a series showing the creed of the salaf was to affirm the meaning of the sifaat upon its literal without likening Allah to his creation, you will only have yourselves to blame: Let me give you one example: أبو عمر أهل السنة مجمعون على الإقرار بالصفات الواردة كلها في القرآن والسنة والإيمان بها وحملها على الحقيقة لا على المجاز إلا أنهم لا يكيفون شيئا من ذلك ولا يحدون فيه صفة محصورة وأما أهل البدع والجهمية والمعتزلة كلها والخوارج فكلهم ينكرها ولا يحمل شيئا منها على الحقيقة ويزعمون أن من أقر بها مشبه وهم عند من أثبتها نافون للمعبود والحق فيما قاله القائلون بما نطق به كتاب الله وسنة رسوله وهم أئمة الجماعة والحمد لله." وهذه الآيات كلها واضحات في إبطال قول المعتزلة وأما ادعاؤهم المجاز في الاستواء وقولهم في تأويل استوى استولى فلا معنى له لأنه غير ظاهر في اللغة ومعنى الاستيلاء في اللغة المغالبة والله لا يغالبه ولا يعلوه أحد وهو الواحد الصمد ومن حق الكلام أن يحمل على حقيقته حتى تتفق الأمة أنه أريد به المجاز إذ لا سبيل إلى اتباع ما أنزل إلينا من ربنا إلا على ذلك وإنما يوجه كلام الله عز و جل إلى الأشهر والأظهر من وجوهه ما لم يمنع من ذلك ما يجب له التسليم ولو ساغ ادعاء المجاز لكل مدع ما ثبت شيء من العبارات وجل الله عز و جل عن أن يخاطب إلا بما تفهمه العرب في معهود مخاطباتها مما يصح معناه عند السامعين والاستواء معلوم في اللغة ومفهوم وهو العلو والارتفاع على الشيء والاستقرار والتمكن فيه قال أبو عبيدة في قوله تعالى استوى قال علا قال وتقول العرب استويت فوق الدابة واستويت فوق البيت وقال غيره استوى أي انتهى شبابه واستقر فلم يكن في شبابه مزيد - قال أبو عمر الاستواء الاستقرار في العلو وبهذا خاطبنا الله عز و جل وقال لتستووا على ظهوره ثم تذكروا نعمة ربكم إذا استويتم عليه الخ" You Mufawaadih will all regret it trust me!
@@BroHajji you are diverting...I'm saying the Athari creed (Hanbali creed) is affirming and consigning. You don't agree with the hanbali creed. They are the true atharis not the salafi tashbeehi creed. I love you as a brother in Islam and have nothing against you. May Allah reward you for exposing this intolerance cult.
@@BroHajji it has been stated that jihah part was tampered in. If you read his book Al Asna...he clearly opppses jihah etc and shows his staunch Ash'ari position. Also why don't you check other verses where imam Qurtubi talks about istiwa jihah etc he clearly negates it. Don't cherry pick quotes like you say about salafis. Salafis tampered with Allamah alusis ruhul ma'ani and many other books.
Bani Israel were saved from the Pharoah even though their aqeedah were bad and they were a nation of sinners. Allah says in Surah Al-Qasas He will convey His favours to those who are oppressed on earth, and conveying favours is dependent only on them being oppressed on earth not on having sound aqeedah.
@@muhammadabdulmateen8473 salahudeen was effectively a layman when it comes to asharis, meaning he wasnt a theological asharite scholars. His greatness and contribution to Islam came from his heroic leadership and battles with the crusaders. How he precisely understood the attributes of Allah even if its slightly wrong doesn't affect his lofty position. Likewise if the third liberator of Palestine is an athari (which is very likely btw), it does not mean that atharis are the correct aqeeda.
Brother all of your videos are refutations or responses why not use your videos for actual knowledge and teach people something rather than do a back and forth waste of time.
Speak for yourself, because I learnt a lot from this video and many others. No offence but only a jahil would not learn anything from the wealth of evidence that Bro Hajji provided.
Refutations are not for everyone. But someone has to speak the truth against the falsehood being spread! Bro hajji is holding these to account for the rest of us!
Assalamou alykoum bro hajji we are waiting for the video abu mussab! I can't wait bro!!! Jazakallah khyran may Allah gives more knowledge and put more noor in your heart Ameen Ameen Ameen
They claim these men to be the true scholars of ahlus sunnah. Judge by yourself. **Salafi scholars on if Allah can jog/run:** In Fatawa al-Aqida by Muhammad b. Salih b. Uthaimin, page 112, he says: Quote: وأي مانع يمنع من أن نؤمن بأن الله تعالى يأتي هرولة "What could forbid us from believing that Allah performs jogging/trotting [harwala]?" [!!!] Quote: “If My slave comes to Me walking, I go to him running”. Sahih Al-Bukhari, vol. 9, Book 93, Number 627 Ibn Baz cites the hadith in his Fatawa and adds: “Interpreting such hadith metaphorically and avoiding relying upon their literal meanings is the practice of the heretic Jahmiyyah and Mu’taziliyyah”. Fatawa Ibn Baz, vol. 5, p. 374 Al-Albani is very explicit on the point: “Running is an attribute of Allah that we lack a base for denying”. Fatawa Al-Albani, p. 506 Again, Ibn Baz adds: Question: Is running an attribute of Allah? Answer: Yes, as it has been shown in the holy divine hadith....."and if he comes to Me walking, I go to him running. narrated bukhari and muslim. Ibn Baaz, The Everlasting Garden for Scientific Research and Legal Opinions Vol.3 Page 196. The heading of the subject where this fatwa was isued is called "Sifat al-harwala" , the attribute (Sifa) of running. The fatwa issued here is number 6932 Book title: Fatawa al-Janna al-Da'ima Lilbuhuth al'ilmiyah wa al'ifta Author: Ahmed bin Abd Alrazaq al Dewish Published in Riyadh by the Ministry of Scientific Research and Fatwa Management. Date: 1996 Description: A collection of fatwas by various prominent scholars. In Fatawa al-Aqida by ibn Uthaimin, page 112: “What could forbid us from believing that Allah performs jogging?” (وأي مانع يمنع من أن نؤمن بأن الله تعالى يأتي هرولة)
Lol Bro Hajji. You showed up to speakers corner looking and acting like a Pakistani Connor McGregor refuting the Shia, and the false idol worshippers. Then it seems like things got personal between you and Shamsi and then Dawahman. Now that's all you do is make videos about them. Go have Chai with your bhai bro and a hot croissant with Dus Dawah and squash this nonsense. Come on Hajji, your friends with Abu Layth for goodness' sakes.
Every sect claims there right honestly they all just on it for money. If you was right you could pitch your teachings without calling out others. These people created division in Islam. Just say your Muslim that’s all forget everything else 🤷♂️
Haji saab. Please clarify. Do you consider Ashariya and Maaturidiya as Sunnis? It appears that you do see them as Sunnis. But I'm wondering if you can clarify. As you mention you disagree with their perspective and that its not based on the Salaf. Apologies in advance if youve already clarified. Jzk
@@BroHajji I wrote the question too early before finishing the video lol Im sorry And may Allah taala reward you for that al hamdu lillaah. Can you kindly recommend where Ashari brothers like me can learn athari aqeedah, or comparative aqeedah in UK? Of course only for academic reasons and not for labelling fellow brothers. Its our heritage and we should sincerily learn what our imams have penned and documented.
@@imranahmed786 Check out Sheikh Yusuf Sadiq Al-Hanbali. Also, the Muhammad Umar Mustafa Channel is Ashari based, but does have a few videos about Athari/Hanbalis such as this video: th-cam.com/video/dEOcv2p1KV8/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=MuhammadUmarMustafa
Even matters in 'Aqiyda has classifications: Wajiybaat. Mustahilaat. Jaizaat. The Salaafis don't admit or rather more likely do not even know of the existence of the 3rd classification. When one sees these classfications: Halaal Mu'akkad Haruws/Mubah Makruw'h Haraam These are fiq'hi classifications. Not those of 'Aqiyda. While Tasawwuf deals with the matters of intention, purification of the heart and the ego.
I want to point out that Atharis were historically repressed by Asharite power so the spread of asharism is political and not tied to authenticity of idea.
In the same vain most of the ummah is hanafi, that does not make hanafi mathab the strongest (it's probably the weakest actually). The spread of hanafi mathab was entirely political with hanafi rulers appointing hanafi judges and judges spreading the mathab.
Hanbalis for example refused judicial positions and refused dealings with rulers out of taqwa that's why the mathab has fewer adherents.
The widespread adoption of the hanafi madhab not being an indication of it being the strongest is a fair comment but to suggest quite flippantly that it is probably the weakest is equally unfair.
One could equally argue that it spread because its methodology allowed for the required flexibility to deal with very complex matters of state and governance (tax collection, defence, economy, welfare distribution, civil courts etc).
When it comes to worship, all 4 schools are equally comprehensive but in matters of state (without sounding bias) the ummah is largely indebted to the contributions of the hanafi and the Maliki madhabs because they had to govern. But anyway, this is a completely different topic.
So coming back to the point at hand, what exactly from the athari creed was repressed by Ash’arite power?
There is also a problem in defining exactly what athari creed means since it is not used by everyone to embody the same set of beliefs. Athari creed is hotly contested as demonstrated in the various comments for this video alone
Maybe true the qadr of Allah the hanafi madab and the 3 others survived due to the hikmah from Allah swt
@@thirtysetsadique2595 sure but also Shiaism survived so we cant read too much into it
@Wayfarer ibn Kathir: I'm an ashari
@Wayfarer The term ‘athari’ is contested brother as we all want to claim the Salaf but disagree what they were upon, specifically with regard to these points of creed regarding the attributes such as hand, eye etc.
The statements of the Salaf are also open to multi variant readings so everyone to some degree is super imposing their own interpretation on the salaf to support their own narrative. One camp says the Salaf did tafwidh of the meaning and the other insists they confirmed the literal meanings. One camp says these are mutashabihat verses and the other says they are not. The quranic verse itself is open to variant tafseers which is another legitimate difference in understanding. Are they mutashabihat verses and if so, did Allah intend that only he knows their true meanings or did he also include those grounded in knowledge would know their meanings? What is clear to me brother is that you will not be able to unite the ummah on a single verdict. The differences exist and are here to remain.
The question now arises must we insist that everyone adopts my understanding (which is one interpretation but not the only one) and if they do not, they are innovators. Or can we find some middle ground where we will just need to agree to disagree while accepting each other as believers and not excommunicating people out of the fold of ahlus sunnah, and thereby causing division and disunity. And Allah knows best
Dont forget that Salahuddin is also the main reason Egypt isn't a Shia country today
Maturidis and Asha’ris affirm the attributes of Allah (swt). I don’t know where they get this nonsense belief that Asha’ris and Maturidis don’t affirm names and attributes of Allah (swt). How dare this so called “DawahMan” compare the Mu’tazilla to Asha’ris and Maturidis. This (DawahMan) guy is a definite Jahil.
Maturidis and Asha'aris make ta'wil, but the correct position of Ahl Al Sunnah wa Al Jama'a is that of affirming the meaning of the sifat of Allah (معنى) and leaving the "how" (كيف) saying that Allah knows best and that nothing is similar to Him.
@@muslimtraveller1 Based on whose saying?
@@dawoodfaqier9762 on the saying of the scholarly Tradition of the first three generations of Muslims.
@@muslimtraveller1 ok but isn't that a small matter, in the sense that they BOTH agree you cant take the literal meaning. I mean why all the fighting over this minor gripe? Ok so one is more correct than the other, I understand, but divisions over this when the Ummah is crying for a unified Ummah? I just think this is an utter disaster cos it's the lay Muslim who suffers. Anyway that's how I see it. Allah SWT knows best.
@@mosesr255 I agree, akhi. These matters should be debated amongst Scholars, not amongst lay Muslims on TH-cam.
Most of the Sunni ummah throughout Islamic history has been Ashari/Maturidi. Salafis are a small and relatively recent group, starting in 1800s (Muhammad Abdul Wahab). And historically Hanbali Athari’s were not “Salafi” and they opposed Abdul Wahab, stating this for those salafis who think Athari’s were before Ashari’s. Not your Athari’s mate!
@Wayfarer Which books did you read? A lot of his writings that are widely available in English may appear very basic and uncontroversial. However, to understand what he meant, you need to read big books like Durar as-Saniyyah and Ibn Bishr's Tarikh an Najd. They were takfiris and mass murderers. There is a very good reason essentially all Sunni 'ulama condemned them when they emerged.
@Wayfarer how many Muslims did they slaughter.
@@ismailfarooq8584 Durar as-Saniyyah book, the whole book doesn't contain his (Muhammad bin Abdul Wahab) work, only a part contains his work.
Salafis are lesser than shias in number
Ok ibn taymiyyah said asharis aren't part of ahllu sunnah, was ibn taymiyyah follower of muhammad bin abdul wahab
It's never been about affirming attributes. The asharis/maturidis affirm the attributes of Allah, they just don't say these attributes are bodily. RasulAllah pbuh praised Mehmet fateh, a maturidi Sufi hanafi
They accept that there is a dhahir, yet reject the dhahir. Hence, they are not affirming Allah's attributes.
@@dri-fit9712 they reject the dhaahir as did the salaf as ibn kathir said. Allah is not a body as the salaf said
daleel?
Pretty much, they affirm the words and leave meaning/modality to God. However, if they interpret they won't give a literal one (like limbs etc) as it doesn't fit God's majesty.
These verses are mutashaabihaat and should be treated as such.
As for huwa as sameeun al aleem, no Ashari or Maturdhi denies these attributes. They accept as they are, only the mutashaabihaat (limbs etc) are left to God. Imagine calling them Jahmites, Drama man is a pure takfiri.
Salah ud din r.a was A Sufi (Qadri) ,As-Shafi , Al-Ashari...
SubhanAllah...this just strengths my faith..being a Qadri
Ya Ghaus e Azam Dastageer
@@SarimulMaslul We will see who is laughing at the day of judgement when the the people of Yazid and Ibn Taymiyah and Ibn Wahab And Saudi Fanily stand with the Zionists
@hedzt6667🤣🤣🤣
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Source???
The issue of Afganistan because of no aqeedah, issue in Palestine because of no aqeedah, issue in Syria no aqeedah but when it came to Damaj the goal post changed because it was there own home boys. The only Athari group which gave victory to Islam was the Murabitun of North Africa & Spain, I stand to be corrected? Mumluks were Ashari, Ottomans were Maturidi, Muwahidoon were Ashari.
murabitun were also ashari, they were only athari during their late years, after the death of yusuf bin tashfin
@@kbayli.jsk1256 do you know any other rulers/dynasties who promoted the athari creed?
@@abdulqassimunujur509 ummayad caliphate
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The Ashaira creed does not deny the attributes of Allahu ta’ala. We affirm the attributes of Allah such yad, ayn, saaq on the meaning that which befits Allahu ta’ala while negating the literal meaning that entails jaariha. We use ta’wil without distorting and changing what was mention in the qur’an and the hadith in order to refute the Ahlul Bid’ah that causes fitna and The one who have doubts in their mind.
th-cam.com/play/PLZjQgCP-RJfJl2PP4udugfxW9LAGiWd6A.html - please watch my Athari creed series.
@@BroHajjibro hajji I already watch your athari creed, it doesnt answer our creed obviously, We believe our creed goes back to Imam Shafi’i Rahimuhullah ta’ala then to his students Abdullah Ibn Said Qahtan . This is our firm aqeedah no matter what people says especially salafis. I am an ex salafi former follower of Shamsi hahah and I want to thank you for being a stage of retracting myself from salafiyya because of your najdi lectures and refuting their position in khuruj. BarakaAllahu feekh.
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Do you believe that Imam Ahmad(Ra) was wrong and the mutazila were correct? So it is written by Abu Zahra in his Biography of Imam Ahmad or by Al Buti.
A reminder to us all including myself:
A man's Islam is not secure unless it is based on submission and surrender. Anyone who desires to know things which it is beyond his capacity to know, and whose intellect is not content with surrender, will find that his desire veils him from a pure understanding of Allah's true Unity, clear knowledge and correct belief, and that he veers between disbelief and belief, confirmation and denial and acceptance and rejection. He will be subject to whisperings and find himself confused and full of doubt, being neither an accepting believer nor a denying rejector.
Aqidah Tahawiya
Are these people for real Salah Al deen is worth a million of him instead of labelling people and trying to divide the Ummah you should be using what ever little knowledge they have to bring the Ummah back together as one Ummah. These people are wrong with this I disagree with dawahman they will never be able to accomplish anything like Salah Al Deen may Allah grant him the highest ranks in heaven. And may Allah guide us all and allow the Ummah to unite the Prophet Abrahim said we are Muslims not sunni or Shia or wahabi or kharagee these are all labels created to divide and weaken the Muslim ummah
Sorry but you started well but then ended it on pure ignorence of the faith, yes asharis maturidis atharis and all schools of suni fiqh are united and should be together , but the Shia or khawarij you do not know there beliefs it's in the fundamentals to slander islam you can't unite with Shia , by the way I was a Shia I know them inside out. Sunni Islam is orthodox Islam , the rest were made to damage Islam. Not 85% of the Islamic world the deviants need to come to us not us to them.
Most laymen around the world who believe in Allah SWT and all the attributes such as described in Surah-ul-Ikhlas and follow the teachings of the Holy Prophet SAW wouldn't even know what are all the creed terms the Salafis are talking about. The Salafis are making it a big deal without even knowing what Aqidah truly means. Yet, it is sad to see the Salafis going around calling everyone a kaffir and Ahlul-bid'ah who could be much better and upright Muslims than they are. It is heartbreaking to see the condition of the Ummah today.
*I’m a bit new to this stuff. Help me understand better:*
So Super-Salafis or Neo-Salafis believe that ONLY the Salafis are within the Ahl As-Sunnah. But the Super Salafis are criticized for saying that their small fraction of the Ummah is the only saved group.
1. So which other groups are actually a part of the Ahl As-Sunnah?
2. What are the general principles for determining if a group falls under the Ahl-As Sunnah category?
The saved sect are sunnis following true athari (not pseudo athari/salafi creed) ashari and maturidi creed and hanafi Maliki shafii hanbali fiqh and the authentic Sufi orders (not the crazy fake dancing music sufis)
This is the time in history when Salafis think its haram to read the Quran. Thats what they think is Islam LOL
@Muhamad Dzil Aqlilhakim Can you explain why its bad to read Quran lol?
the saved sect is those that follow the qur'an and sunnah, with the understanding of the salaf.
@@boredalchemist it is not weak it is saheeh.
The vast majority of the Islamic world is ashari maturidi including our scholarship. We also consider athari as part of Ahlus sunnah wal jamah. Anybody who says asharis maturidis ain't ahlus sunnah he is a misguided wretch.
These people, with all followers, with all their leaders, and all their armies and their power are not worth the dirt beneath Salahuddin's shoes.
May Allah raise the status of Salahuddin (RA) and give us all hidayah. Ameen.
Brother the work you’re doing is truly appreciated and long over due! These individuals have caused so much Fitna and aggression specifically towards laymen Muslims.
Jazak Allah Khayr!
This video of Dawah man is what made me not take him serious. The idea that Allah will not support the Asharis with victory is a very dangerous position to take. The Asharis are Sunnais and the Sunnis are ASWJ.
These super salafis are mostly fanatics, they just wanna divide and cause chaos. The vast majority of the ummah is Ashari and the Asharis are ASWJ's too regardless of the differences we might have with them on the Sifat. May Allah cure their hearts and give them wisdom. The sultan that conquered Constantinople was an Ashari too.
I been reading the comment section of dawah man video about this. Apparently he is deleting comments from the other side which if this is true, shows their dishonesty and lack of integrity.
yes he did. i rread the comments a while ago and it was full of people making jokes about him ( which is wrong) and those got deleted. also some people who were just criticizing him also got deleted.
I swear by allah , dawah man , Abdul Rahman hassan and their ilk, will never even reach 1/100000th of the rank of salah uddin al Ayyubi (rh).
He is S rank sultan
Sayyudina Umar (may Allah ta'ala be pleased with him) wasn't an Ashari, but I don't remember him calling himself a salafi or madkhali 🤣🤣🤣
Got to love the second rate reasoning.
I’ve never really understood the position of affirming attributes such as hand, eye upon the apparent meaning when the apparent meaning is a limb/part of a body which Allah is free from. So when you say you affirm the apparent meaning but then deny the meaning is a part, then what apparent meaning are you affirming. It just seems bizarre that you affirm a meaning but are then unable to actually give the meaning. It suggests that these are actually the mutashabihat verses and only Allah knows their true meanings. So you believe in the verses as they have been revealed. Their recitation is their explanation and I believe what Allah intended from these verses and move on. That’s what seems to be the safest position of the earliest generations as they just did not delve into these verses in any great detail. We seem to have imposed our own understanding upon the statement of the Salaf which in themselves are open to variant interpretations. So when imam Malik says istiwa is known. One group says imam Malik meant it’s known from its literal meaning while the other camp says that he meant it’s known as it was revealed to us in the Quran. So one statement from the Salaf claimed by all and interpreted to fit their own narrative. Further evidence that these verses are not crystal clear and from the mutashabihat verses that Allah informed us of in his book. And Allah knows best
Tafweedh was the way of the salaf. The asharis and maturidis were not influenced by Greek philosophers in the sense that they took creed from them, but they learned debating and stylistic rational argumentation and used them against the Greeks. Those who took some creed from Greeks and mixed them with Islam were mutazila
@Wayfarer No problem if one says Allah has a hand that best befits his majesty and just leaves it at that. However, the salafi is not content with this and insists that I must affirm the hand upon its literal meaning, otherwise I am an innovator. It’s this insistence to affirm upon the literal meaning particular attributes such as hand, eye etc. that is a problem as every conception of a literal meaning for these words is a limb or body part. However, Life, mercy, etc. are attributes which do not pertain to body parts so to affirm the literal meaning of life for both Allah and humans is not problematic as allahs life is not like ours as there is nothing like unto him. The same approach does not work for the hand, eye etc if you insist that they must be affirmed upon their literal meaning as the literal meaning of a hand is still a body part. It’s usually explained away by saying allahs hand is not like ours just like a hand of a clock or a hand of a door is unlike ours. But this still does not resolve the problem as the hand of a clock, door or anything else is still a body part and Allah is free from body parts. So I recite these verses as they were revealed and believe in them what Allah intended by them. That to me seems to be a safe position to take and well within the fold of ahlus sunnah. What I do know is that delving into these matters in any great detail has never been a means of getting closer to Allah. Constantly seeking these out is maybe a sign of the Zayg and sickness in my heart that Allah warns us of so I sincerely believe that these are from the mutashabihat verses and only Allah knows there true meaning. Yet I shall be hurled out of the fold of ahlus sunnah or deemed to be an innovator by some for taking this position. This is what causes all the discord and disunity as though iman was predicated on these finer details of theology which the ordinary Muslim is simply oblivious to. And Allah knows best
@@narmi218 exactly. It's a contradiction to say Allah has a LITERAL hand but it's not a limb.
@Wayfarer it's a contradiction. The salaf never took such on apparent meaning (dhaahir/haqeeqi) ibn Kathir even refuted this in his tafsir
@@rezacny alhamdulilla we agree my brother in Islam.
Ma sha allah! Brother May allah reward you for your efforts in debunking and exposing the separatists. This is the 1st time ever I have come across in any platform (Online & Physical) a person who claims himself to be an Athari and promotes unity among the Athari & Ashari Creeds.
Unity amongst Athari and Ashari creeds? No such thing as unity with Sunnah v/s Bidah. No place for the mistakes of Abul Hasan Ashari (which he later rectified before his death, may Allah have mercy on him) within the Sunnah. The Sunnah (Athar) is different from the Bidah of Abul Hasan Ashari and Abu Mansoor Maturidi.
He has the GALL to label Salahuddin Al Ayyubi a deviant 🤣🤣🤣. Subhanallah you couldn’t even reach the level of the soles of his shoes and you DARE try to insinuate his inferiority Allahu Akbar. So called Dawah Man may as well call himself Takfir Man
Man how do some people have audacity to call him ahlul biddah..bro he took the mosque of Al Aqsa and it was with muslims for years..Man this salafis label everyone..and mark my words there will come a time when they go against khulfa e rashideen fatwas..
This is not just from dawah man. I've heard this from salafi scholars before called Hazrat Salahuddin RA as an ashari mubtadi. I also have read a question asking why ahlul bidah books are studied in salafi circles and madrasas to which Albani repliednin affirmative that Ibn Hajr and Imam Nawawi are from ahlul bidah.
When Shamsi claimed that no one know the correct beliefs of ASWJ during the time of Salaa'huddiyn Al-Ayyuwby RHM, he is actually imitating the method of his grandmaster Ibn 'AbdulWahhaab An-Najdiy exactly who declared neither ALL of his teachers nor all the Muslims in Shaam, in 'Iraaq, in Yamaan, in Hijjaaz thus fiy kulli makaan do not know the meaning of Laa ilaha illaLLAAH; he even goes so far as claiming he himself was ignorant of it until he gain Ma'griyfa on the matter directly from ALLAAH.
A completely broken chain. He was the FIRST to make this claim according to himself.
😂😂😂😂😂
Ie the whole Muslim world completely failed at the very FIRST Pillars of Islaam thus rendering the other four pillars void.
This audacious and nonsensical claim of his is the reason why many 'ulamaa during his time, especially the Hanaabila who were the first to stood up and oppose the heresy of Ibn 'AbdulWahhaab An-Najdiy declared him a false prophet.
Bring your evidence you innovator that he claimed to be a false prophet and said he got it directly from Allah you clown
May Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala bless the ashari and the maturidi
Jazakallah so sad to see the divisions and confusion being caused by certain individuals regarding aqidah problems, years ago I never used to hear youngsters talk about these stuff the ulama should, now kids as soon as 19-20 all suddenly become aqidah experts, the salaf never talked about these stuff we shouldn’t unless there is a need to, when a deviant sect is growing and it’s going against the main principles of Islam, that’s when we interfere and warn from these people and explain aqidah to youngsters, but wallahi petty stuff is pointless, now that the division and hate is spread jazakallah bro hajji for explaining, I’m from bilad a-sham so my dad who studied under scholars who follow ashari creed follows the asharis, according to my knowledge asharis make up most of the Muslims…but he never talked about sifat etc when he taught us as kids only the main principles regarding aqidah, my dads studied in Syria and Jordan since 1970-1980s and till now
Even matters in 'Aqiyda has classifications:
Wajiybaat.
Mustahilaat.
Jaizaat.
The Salaafis don't admit or rather more likely do not even know of the existence of the 3rd classification.
When one sees these classfications:
Halaal
Mu'akkad
Haruws/Mubah
Makruw'h
Haraam
These are fiq'hi classifications. Not those of 'Aqiyda.
While Tasawwuf deals with the matters of intention, purification of the heart and the ego.
Haji. Thank you for making accessible for all your research which would otherwise never bee know by the vast majority. Tq
I think shamsi does have a good point in terms of the influence of ashaariyyah on the nurture and nature of Salaahuddin (r.a), it wasn't opposed much around Salaahuddin as Bro hajji mentions even the family and closest mentors were asha'ari, so it makes sense why he was deemed passionate about the creed and spread it as he was a passionate Muslim, likewise he would also be passionate about his creed. And Allah knows best.
guys ash’aris does not DENY the attributes LOL - its just on some of the attributes we DO NOT give modality (kafliyya) to eyes, ascending, etc!!! Allah clearly says he is NOTHING like his creation - MULTIPLE TIMES - as in nothing like us - so yes we accept, what the authentic hadiths say and Quran - our discussion of how? STOPS THERE - as it should lol….. simple
not to mention that Malik, tabari, shafi’i and many others had similar aspects especially when people try to place Allah (swt) in a place and time - giving him boundaries …. learn , read
How people fail to understand this baffles my mind. I think its because they refuse to understand this point about the Ashari. The Athari are not meant to use logic to prove the existance of God. But you see all these TH-cam Daiee's using logical arguments to prove the existence of God. Everything is upside down these days.
@@JohnSmith-tn9ll facts lol - world is upside down my man
@@JohnSmith-tn9ll The birth of Isa AS is also not logical, yet you believe it because Allah said so. The same with Allah saying he has hands, eyes etc. He said so in the Qur'an, then you believe but we don't know how they look like, as far as I know, Allah doesn't mention how it looks like. Allah says he has hands, then you believe that he has hands, khalas. What is wrong accepting what Allah said in the Qur'an?
@@13thdivision70 The birth of Isa AS has a logical explanation. Just because you dont know it, doesnt mean you should assume that I accept the miraculous birth story.
Didn't salahuddin and his followers celebrate the Mawlid? These great people saw the prophet pbuh in their dreams and liberated Al quds, they are sufi followers who did intercession through the prophet pbuh. So if the super salafis, wahabis or atharis want to call them innovators that's on them and Allah will be the judge. Leave aqeeda to the 6 article of faith why go so deep on how you inteperate allahs hands or attributes, leave that to Allah and the unknown. We will all find out on the day of judgement, how is arguing over such things smart, we should all unite on ahle sunnah!
These Madkhalis are too arrogant and will never accept they're wrong.
They think their little saved sect is on the truth and everyone else is not on the correct Aqeedah lol
Bro Hajji may Allah reward you... I would love if you did a breakdown of Muhammad IBN Abdul Wahhab and the Imam of Mecca of his time Imam Dahlan I think his name was... I would like to get an understanding of the beliefs of the Ottoman empire at the time and the 1st Saudi state... jazak Allah Khair
Check out his playlist. I think the title is muhammad ibn abdul wahab and the early najdiyyah
He was Sayyid Ahmad ibn Zaini Dahlan, noble descendant of Prophet
Some our past scholars in Indonesia, learned directly from him,
May Allah grant him paradise
Muhammad bin abdul Wahhab is from from khalaf generation. Not salaf
Well regardless if salah al din had the correct aqida or not, he returned Jerusalem to Islam or Muslims or whatever you wanna say.
Salaam alaikum my brother. May ALLAH SWT bless you
Lol imagine the differences in maqam between dawahman and salahudeen alayubi
Now takfir upon salahuddin ayyubi, takfir upon all imams, takfir upon people who makes selawat, discrediting the hadiths...but still muslims follow them
So these guys want to tell us that Ashari's are no muslims?
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In the end it's just about the monopoly over islam.
Isn't Syria and Egypt mostly Maturidi since they are majority Hanafi? I think this shift happened during the time of the Ottomans.
I am sorry maybe I missed it, but is there any daleel for the claim that victory only comes when you have the correct aqeedah? jazakAllah khair
toilet paper, zombie calling all kinds of name. when it comes to layth, then bro hajj becomes academic
Come on!
Oh yh because all the super salafees and madkhalis never call names and are only ever Academic! 😂
@@ahk3394 no objection of calling names & me pointing our bro hajji's hypocrisy is not that i support those group or hate bro hajji's. when bro hajji made video about layth, some people called out he wasnt this calm, respectful addressing other groups, bro hajji reply back, saying thats just who he is, calm , academic, even when he refutes islam hater like christian apologist david. but those who watch bro hajji's video we all know thats not the case, when bro hajji made video against salafi or madkhali, we knew how he speak, ofcourse these group arent worse than layth or christian missionary
@@CaliphForCaliphate It's not about the group but how they treat him. Abu Layth speaks in a nice manner to him so Hajji reciprocates. The Super Salafis call him Khariji, Donkey, Khabeeth and all sorts of slurs and he reciprocates that.
Allah says in the Qur'an: ".......So whoever has assaulted you, then assault him in the same way that he has assaulted you. And fear Allah and know that Allah is with those who fear Him"
@@AbdulH97 ok. did shamsi or dawah man called bro hajji those names? i dont know that
@Bro Hajji I like your anti super salafi videos. Please continue. You made a comment saying "I am an athari and not mufawwid". The Hanbali Athari creed is tafweed (affirm and consign). You haven't read Ibn Qudamahs lum'ah etc. Uthaymeen criticises Ibn Qudamah r.a. on this. Proper Hanbalis are atharis who affirm and consign. This is correct position of Ahlus sunnah.
If you claim you are an athari who does not consign (tafweed) then please don't make everyone think you follow the Hanbali creed when you clearly don't. Seems like you follow the super salafi tashbeehi creed? Wallahu a'lam
جزاك الله خيرا
My brother if I was to open up a series showing the creed of the salaf was to affirm the meaning of the sifaat upon its literal without likening Allah to his creation, you will only have yourselves to blame:
Let me give you one example:
أبو عمر أهل السنة مجمعون على الإقرار بالصفات الواردة كلها في القرآن والسنة والإيمان بها وحملها على الحقيقة لا على المجاز إلا أنهم لا يكيفون شيئا من ذلك ولا يحدون فيه صفة محصورة وأما أهل البدع والجهمية والمعتزلة كلها والخوارج فكلهم ينكرها ولا يحمل شيئا منها على الحقيقة ويزعمون أن من أقر بها مشبه وهم عند من أثبتها نافون للمعبود والحق فيما قاله القائلون بما نطق به كتاب الله وسنة رسوله وهم أئمة الجماعة والحمد لله."
وهذه الآيات كلها واضحات في إبطال قول المعتزلة وأما ادعاؤهم المجاز في الاستواء وقولهم في تأويل استوى استولى فلا معنى له لأنه غير ظاهر في اللغة ومعنى الاستيلاء في اللغة المغالبة والله لا يغالبه ولا يعلوه أحد وهو الواحد الصمد ومن حق الكلام أن يحمل على حقيقته حتى تتفق الأمة أنه أريد به المجاز إذ لا سبيل إلى اتباع ما أنزل إلينا من ربنا إلا على ذلك وإنما يوجه كلام الله عز و جل إلى الأشهر والأظهر من وجوهه ما لم يمنع من ذلك ما يجب له التسليم ولو ساغ ادعاء المجاز لكل مدع ما ثبت شيء من العبارات وجل الله عز و جل عن أن يخاطب إلا بما تفهمه العرب في معهود مخاطباتها مما يصح معناه عند السامعين والاستواء معلوم في اللغة ومفهوم وهو العلو والارتفاع على الشيء والاستقرار والتمكن فيه قال أبو عبيدة في قوله تعالى استوى قال علا قال وتقول العرب استويت فوق الدابة واستويت فوق البيت وقال غيره استوى أي انتهى شبابه واستقر فلم يكن في شبابه مزيد - قال أبو عمر الاستواء الاستقرار في العلو وبهذا خاطبنا الله عز و جل وقال لتستووا على ظهوره ثم تذكروا نعمة ربكم إذا استويتم عليه الخ"
You Mufawaadih will all regret it trust me!
Imam Dhahabi commenting on Ibn Abdul Barr’s statement:
الامام الذهبي بعد ان نقل كلام ابن عبد البر
- وَقَالَ أَيْضا أهل السّنة مجمعون على الْإِقْرَار بِالصِّفَاتِ الورادة فِي الْكتاب وَالسّنة وَحملهَا على الْحَقِيقَة لَا على الْمجَاز إِلَّا أَنهم لم يكيفوا شَيْئا من ذَلِك وَأما الْجَهْمِية والمعتزلة والخوارج فكلهم ينكرها وَلَا يحمل مِنْهَا شَيْئا على الْحَقِيقَة ويزعمون أَن من أقرّ بهَا مشبه وهم عِنْد من أقرّ بهَا نافون للمعبود // صدق وَالله فَإِن من تَأَول سَائِر الصِّفَات وَحمل مَا ورد مِنْهَا على مجَاز الْكَلَام أَدَّاهُ ذَلِك السَّلب إِلَى تَعْطِيل الرب وَأَن يشابه الْمَعْدُوم كَمَا نقل عَن حَمَّاد بن زيد أَنه قَالَ مثل الْجَهْمِية كقوم قَالُوا فِي دَارنَا نَخْلَة قيل لَهَا سعف قَالُوا لَا قيل فلهَا كرب قَالُوا لَا قيل لَهَا رطب وقنو قَالُوا لَا قيل فلهَا سَاق قَالُوا لَا قيل فَمَا فِي داركم نَخْلَة
قلت كَذَلِك هَؤُلَاءِ النفاة قَالُوا إلهنا الله تَعَالَى وَهُوَ لَا فِي زمَان وَلَا فِي مَكَان وَلَا يرى وَلَا يسمع وَلَا يبصر وَلَا يتَكَلَّم وَلَا يرضى وَلَا يغْضب وَلَا يُرِيد وَلَا
وَلَا وَقَالُوا سُبْحَانَ المنزه عَن الصِّفَات بل نقُول سُبْحَانَ الله الْعلي الْعَظِيم السَّمِيع الْبَصِير المريد الَّذِي كلم مُوسَى تكليماً وَاتخذ إِبْرَاهِيم خَلِيلًا وَيرى فِي الْآخِرَة المتصف بِمَا وصف بِهِ نَفسه وَوَصفه بِهِ رسله المنزه عَن سمات المخلوقين وَعَن جحد الجاحدين لَيْسَ كمثله شَيْء وَهُوَ السَّمِيع الْبَصِير
وَلَقَد كَانَ أَبُو عمر بن عبد الْبر من بحور الْعلم وَمن أَئِمَّة الْأَثر قل أَن ترى الْعُيُون مثله وَكَانَ عالي الْإِسْنَاد لَقِي أَصْحَاب ابْن الْأَعرَابِي وَإِسْمَاعِيل الصفار وروى المصنفات الْكِبَار واشتهر فَضله فِي الأقطار مَاتَ سنة ثَلَاث وَسِتِّينَ وَأَرْبَعمِائَة عَن سِتَّة وَتِسْعين سنة
وقال الامام القرطبي : " قَوْلُهُ تَعَالَى: (ثُمَّ اسْتَوى عَلَى الْعَرْشِ) هَذِهِ مَسْأَلَةُ الِاسْتِوَاءِ، وَلِلْعُلَمَاءِ فِيهَا كَلَامٌ وَإِجْرَاءٌ. وَقَدْ بَيَّنَّا أَقْوَالَ الْعُلَمَاءِ فِيهَا فِي الْكِتَابِ (الْأَسْنَى فِي شَرْحِ أَسْمَاءِ اللَّهِ الْحُسْنَى وَصِفَاتِهِ الْعُلَى) وَذَكَرْنَا فِيهَا هُنَاكَ أَرْبَعَةَ عَشَرَ قَوْلًا. وَالْأَكْثَرُ مِنَ الْمُتَقَدِّمِينَ وَالْمُتَأَخِّرِينَ أَنَّهُ إِذَا وَجَبَ تَنْزِيهُ الْبَارِي سُبْحَانَهُ عَنِ الْجِهَةِ وَالتَّحَيُّزِ فَمِنْ ضَرُورَةِ ذَلِكَ وَلَوَاحِقِهِ اللَّازِمَةِ عَلَيْهِ عِنْدَ عَامَّةِ الْعُلَمَاءِ الْمُتَقَدِّمِينَ وَقَادَتِهِمْ مِنَ الْمُتَأَخِّرِينَ تَنْزِيهُهُ تَبَارَكَ وَتَعَالَى عَنِ الْجِهَةِ، فَلَيْسَ بِجِهَةِ فَوْقٍ عِنْدَهُمْ، لِأَنَّهُ يَلْزَمُ مِنْ ذَلِكَ عِنْدَهُمْ مَتَى اخْتَصَّ بِجِهَةٍ أَنْ يَكُونَ فِي مَكَانٍ أَوْ حَيِّزٍ، وَيَلْزَمُ عَلَى الْمَكَانِ وَالْحَيِّزِ الْحَرَكَةُ وَالسُّكُونُ لِلْمُتَحَيِّزِ، وَالتَّغَيُّرُ وَالْحُدُوثُ. هَذَا قَوْلُ الْمُتَكَلِّمِينَ. وَقَدْ كَانَ السَّلَفُ الْأَوَّلُ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ لَا يَقُولُونَ بِنَفْيِ الْجِهَةِ وَلَا يَنْطِقُونَ بِذَلِكَ، بَلْ نَطَقُوا هُمْ وَالْكَافَّةُ بِإِثْبَاتِهَا لِلَّهِ تَعَالَى كَمَا نَطَقَ كِتَابُهُ وَأَخْبَرَتْ رُسُلُهُ. وَلَمْ يُنْكِرْ أَحَدٌ مِنَ السَّلَفِ الصَّالِحِ أَنَّهُ اسْتَوَى عَلَى عَرْشِهِ حَقِيقَةً. وَخُصَّ الْعَرْشُ بِذَلِكَ لِأَنَّهُ أَعْظَمُ مَخْلُوقَاتِهِ، وَإِنَّمَا جَهِلُوا كَيْفِيَّةَ الِاسْتِوَاءِ فَإِنَّهُ لَا تُعْلَمُ حَقِيقَتُهُ. قَالَ مَالِكٌ رَحِمَهُ اللَّهُ: الِاسْتِوَاءُ مَعْلُومٌ- يَعْنِي في اللغة- والكيف مَجْهُولٌ، وَالسُّؤَالُ عَنْ هَذَا بِدْعَةٌ. وَكَذَا قَالَتْ أُمُّ سَلَمَةَ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهَا. وَهَذَا الْقَدْرُ كَافٍ، وَمَنْ أَرَادَ زِيَادَةً عَلَيْهِ فَلْيَقِفْ عَلَيْهِ فِي مَوْضِعِهِ مِنْ كُتُبِ الْعُلَمَاءِ.
Focus on what Imam Qurtubi is saying وَلَمْ يُنْكِرْ أَحَدٌ مِنَ السَّلَفِ الصَّالِحِ أَنَّهُ اسْتَوَى عَلَى عَرْشِهِ حَقِيقَةً.
Don’t make me open this chapter! The True Atharis are those who affirm Alllah’s name and attributes in a manner that befits his majesty and not consign them!
@@BroHajji you are diverting...I'm saying the Athari creed (Hanbali creed) is affirming and consigning. You don't agree with the hanbali creed. They are the true atharis not the salafi tashbeehi creed. I love you as a brother in Islam and have nothing against you. May Allah reward you for exposing this intolerance cult.
@@BroHajji it has been stated that jihah part was tampered in. If you read his book Al Asna...he clearly opppses jihah etc and shows his staunch Ash'ari position. Also why don't you check other verses where imam Qurtubi talks about istiwa jihah etc he clearly negates it. Don't cherry pick quotes like you say about salafis. Salafis tampered with Allamah alusis ruhul ma'ani and many other books.
When will the shaykh sabuni video gonna be coming out in sha Allah?
Soon ان شاء الله
Great video, you are destroying the falsehood of the super salafis.
Here we are 800 years later still stuck on the same silly debates
can someone pls give the name of the nasheed in the begining of the video ? may Allah swt reward you
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Salaam g love from live updates broski
In his defence he’s using your example using history to repel Ashari points
As soon as I saw what that clown said about Salāh al-Dīn al-Ayyūbī, my first thought was, 'and Bro Hajji says?' 😅
PLEASE SOMMONE TEL ME THE NAME OF THE ANACHEED in the Background!!!???
Yes my broda Bro hajji May Reward u ....and salahudeen ayubi was the real salafi not aboo khodeejah
Jazakallahu khair
Can anyone tell me the name of the intro nasheed?
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As-salamu alaykum wa rahmatullah
In case you didn’t know, this Hajji is a khariji according to Shamsi. So I warn you against this innovator
Is shamsi a source of authority? Is he a scholar? 😂
@@LFC_fan7he is Sunni brother known to call to Qur’an and Sunnah and the teachings of the Salaf
Didn’t the Ashari beliefs change over the years? According to wiki that is
Bani Israel were saved from the Pharoah even though their aqeedah were bad and they were a nation of sinners. Allah says in Surah Al-Qasas He will convey His favours to those who are oppressed on earth, and conveying favours is dependent only on them being oppressed on earth not on having sound aqeedah.
So salahuddin dont hv the right aqeedah?
@@muhammadabdulmateen8473 salahudeen was effectively a layman when it comes to asharis, meaning he wasnt a theological asharite scholars. His greatness and contribution to Islam came from his heroic leadership and battles with the crusaders. How he precisely understood the attributes of Allah even if its slightly wrong doesn't affect his lofty position.
Likewise if the third liberator of Palestine is an athari (which is very likely btw), it does not mean that atharis are the correct aqeeda.
@@drg312 lol. Did u even watch the video before commenting?
Brother all of your videos are refutations or responses why not use your videos for actual knowledge and teach people something rather than do a back and forth waste of time.
Speak for yourself, because I learnt a lot from this video and many others. No offence but only a jahil would not learn anything from the wealth of evidence that Bro Hajji provided.
Yes some of us learn a lot, alhumdolilah.
Refutations are not for everyone. But someone has to speak the truth against the falsehood being spread! Bro hajji is holding these to account for the rest of us!
Great video, need this message to get out to others
Using words such as garbage and sewage etc is unnecessary and does not serve your purpose.
😭😭 he looks devastated
Assalamou alykoum bro hajji we are waiting for the video abu mussab! I can't wait bro!!! Jazakallah khyran may Allah gives more knowledge and put more noor in your heart Ameen Ameen Ameen
Me too... !!
Im a bit unfamiliar with the term super salafi, can anyone explain me who are they, are they extremist
They are like madkhalis very very quick to label others innovators unjustly and have a very unhealthy loyalty to Saudi Arabia
isn't Bro hajji is Salafi and Dawah man and shamsi also Salafi.
Can anyone tell me whether or not i should listen to dawah man,his videos and lectures, outline the reasons why i should not
They claim these men to be the true scholars of ahlus sunnah. Judge by yourself. **Salafi scholars on if Allah can jog/run:**
In Fatawa al-Aqida by Muhammad b. Salih b. Uthaimin, page 112, he says:
Quote:
وأي مانع يمنع من أن نؤمن بأن الله تعالى يأتي هرولة
"What could forbid us from believing that Allah performs jogging/trotting [harwala]?" [!!!]
Quote:
“If My slave comes to Me walking, I go to him running”. Sahih Al-Bukhari, vol. 9, Book 93, Number 627
Ibn Baz cites the hadith in his Fatawa and adds:
“Interpreting such hadith metaphorically and avoiding relying upon their literal meanings is the practice of the heretic Jahmiyyah and Mu’taziliyyah”. Fatawa Ibn Baz, vol. 5, p. 374
Al-Albani is very explicit on the point: “Running is an attribute of Allah that we lack a base for denying”. Fatawa Al-Albani, p. 506
Again, Ibn Baz adds:
Question: Is running an attribute of Allah?
Answer: Yes, as it has been shown in the holy divine hadith....."and if he comes to Me walking, I go to him running. narrated bukhari and muslim.
Ibn Baaz, The Everlasting Garden for Scientific Research and Legal Opinions Vol.3 Page 196. The heading of the subject where this fatwa was isued is called "Sifat al-harwala" , the attribute (Sifa) of running.
The fatwa issued here is number 6932 Book title: Fatawa al-Janna al-Da'ima Lilbuhuth al'ilmiyah wa al'ifta
Author: Ahmed bin Abd Alrazaq al Dewish Published in Riyadh by the Ministry of Scientific Research and Fatwa Management. Date: 1996 Description: A collection of fatwas by various prominent scholars.
In Fatawa al-Aqida by ibn Uthaimin, page 112:
“What could forbid us from believing that Allah performs jogging?”
(وأي مانع يمنع من أن نؤمن بأن الله تعالى يأتي هرولة)
Dawah Man does not have much Islamic knowledge background to be condemning everyone. Just a young zealous man with not much wisdom.
Lol Bro Hajji. You showed up to speakers corner looking and acting like a Pakistani Connor McGregor refuting the Shia, and the false idol worshippers. Then it seems like things got personal between you and Shamsi and then Dawahman. Now that's all you do is make videos about them. Go have Chai with your bhai bro and a hot croissant with Dus Dawah and squash this nonsense. Come on Hajji, your friends with Abu Layth for goodness' sakes.
Every sect claims there right honestly they all just on it for money. If you was right you could pitch your teachings without calling out others. These people created division in Islam. Just say your Muslim that’s all forget everything else 🤷♂️
Yeah and they used laymen muslim to spread their group
Anyone who listens to dawah man needs theyre head checked
Their*, go learn the difference between they’re, their, there, before speaking on anything.
Haji saab. Please clarify. Do you consider Ashariya and Maaturidiya as Sunnis? It appears that you do see them as Sunnis. But I'm wondering if you can clarify. As you mention you disagree with their perspective and that its not based on the Salaf.
Apologies in advance if youve already clarified. Jzk
Please watch the video my brother بارك الله فيك
The answers are in the video! 👍🏽
@@BroHajji I wrote the question too early before finishing the video lol Im sorry And may Allah taala reward you for that al hamdu lillaah. Can you kindly recommend where Ashari brothers like me can learn athari aqeedah, or comparative aqeedah in UK? Of course only for academic reasons and not for labelling fellow brothers. Its our heritage and we should sincerily learn what our imams have penned and documented.
@@imranahmed786 Check out Sheikh Yusuf Sadiq Al-Hanbali. Also, the Muhammad Umar Mustafa Channel is Ashari based, but does have a few videos about Athari/Hanbalis such as this video: th-cam.com/video/dEOcv2p1KV8/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=MuhammadUmarMustafa
Can you make a vid refuting the BTC crash lool
Shamsi is a fake Salfi
Shamsi Is The best !!!!
You ridicule their claim by quoting authentic texts. This is the right way.
Sooodi arooba supports IZRAHELL
Whats a mufawwidah?
If I'm not wrong,mufawidh are people who leave the meaning of Allah's name and attribute to Allah alone.Again i could be wrong and Allah knows best
Dawahman looks like he put on weight
Zombie wobbler’s 😂😂😮
22:38
I failed to understand your mumbling
Sheeya sheeya kaafir sheeya 🎶
Brother check your email inshallah I sent you something.
Can you send it again please بارك الله فيك
@@BroHajji I resent it
Even matters in 'Aqiyda has classifications:
Wajiybaat.
Mustahilaat.
Jaizaat.
The Salaafis don't admit or rather more likely do not even know of the existence of the 3rd classification.
When one sees these classfications:
Halaal
Mu'akkad
Haruws/Mubah
Makruw'h
Haraam
These are fiq'hi classifications. Not those of 'Aqiyda.
While Tasawwuf deals with the matters of intention, purification of the heart and the ego.