I like how the Senator makes fun of Michael by literally deliberately mispronouncing his family’s name twice at the party but when he’s alone with Michael he says it perfectly. Brilliant touch by Coppola.
Sometimes when I’m not too busy at work and need something on in the background, I will play this pod. It’s just a great 2 1/2 hours of entertainment, laughs, yet thought-provoking movie analysis, AND they pick it apart in ways that made me see it in a new way. Probably one of my favorite Rewatchables, along with Heat, and The Town.
@@okgood8529 Come on man, you didn't like Scent of a Woman? I mean sure, it's wasn't Pacino's best performance (or even remotely close to it) but he was still great in it and the movie was pretty good too.
Pacino´s performance is better, but I agree that Brando´s is more captivating. There´s a mesmerizing feel to his performance that Pacino´s performance, mostly due to them being totally different characters, can´t quite capture
In the first Godfather we were rooting for the Corleone family because the Don is tough but he is fair. He was also very likable. Michael is very cold in the second one and not very likable. He mistreats everyone. Fredo, Connie, Tom Hagen, Kay, Senator Geary, Merle, Frankie Pentangeli.
John Cazzle only made 5 films: Godfather Godfather II The Conversation Dog Day Afternoon The Deer Hunter He’s great in all of them and the “ BUT IT AINT THE WAY I WANTED IT!” Is one of my favorite dialogues ever!
You guys are very respectful of one of America's greatest films and filmmaker. I have an MFA from UCLA Theater, film & television. Francis has come in to speak with us. He's actually VERY Intelligent & humble.
I dont know how these guys do this without a glass of Italian red wine in front of them. It's like best mates chatting about their favourite thing. I love it.
The early Little Italy scenes shot with a hint of warm sepia tones = Life. The Tahoe scenes shot with a blueish hue = Death. Gordon Willis was a master of visual subtext.
Expanding on this idea, the homeland scenes being a warmer tone, and the Tahoe scenes being colder represents the erasure of Italian culture within the Corleone landscape, and in and around Michaels life.
JACK ENGLISH FOUND THE LOCATIONS FOR "GODFATHER, PART 2",,,IT WAS E. 6TH STREET IN NYC....& L.A. LOCS, & LAKE TAHOE...😉✌..(& "APOCALYPSE NOW"} & ONE FROM THE HEART. & L.A "OUTSIDERS" FINALE...
The final flash back scene is the best because it kicks off the first movie. It also lets you look back at at how each character got to where they are by the end of 2 if they make it that far. At the beginning of 1 you may not think Michael would become the person he did but you see him in this scene and think “of course he becomes the worst person ever”
The flashback scene was fantastic. You can see Michael's complex relationship with Tom Hagen. Also, Michael ended up affecting everyone in that dining room in coming years.
2 reflects the changes that were taking place in American society at the end of the 50s and especially of course the 60s, which were being very much mirrored in the Mafia. From about 1957 with the Anastasia hit and attempted hit on Costello and the Apalachin meeting, and especially 63-64 with the Valachi hearings making the Mafia public and the Justice Dept going after them and the Bonanno war and the Gallos going to war with everyone and getting away with it, everything started getting more confused and chaotic which led to the 70s where everyone was coked up and murdering each other -- the chaos from basically the Colombo hit in 1971 (while they were making GF 1 btw) until the Castellano hit and the Commission Trial in the mid-80s was insane. So watching GF 2 it's like a contemporary look at American society knowing something is wrong and knowing they're making poor choices but they just can't help themselves and they're reflecting on how it all got established as a sort of nostalgic look back. Almost like Sopranos first episode where he talks about coming in at the end of something, it's like a generation trying to come to terms with not seeming to be as great at their parents and feeling like things are slipping away and desperate to cling on to them no matter what. GF1 is like the Happy Days of the Mafia and everything fits. GF2 is about institutions (and society) not surviving the generational and historical changes intact.
Even if the Oscars had a grudge against Pacino for boycotting the shows in 72, why give it to the weakest performance of the five? Nicholson, Hoffman or Finley we’re far better
Regarding Fredo reclined in the chair, with the earth tones and the darkness and the plants above his head - it's like he's in the ground. It's like he's getting buried underground. It's like he's digging his own grave. This is the moment he seals his fate.
Wonderful podcast and Koppelman's additions lifted the discussion to a new level. However I thought the round table discussion did not give enough attention to the "Young Vito" scenes, which were critical to the film's brilliance.
I was thinking the very same thing. And all the young Vito scenes are very rewatchable! Especially the scene where Vito gets fired and is chased after his Boss with a box of food but refuses out of integrity. Great!
@@37thousand Kay's sole purpose is to hate Michael for being who he is. And then they doubled down in Godfather 3. "I don't hate you Michael. I dread you." Ok Kay we get it. You're not a fan of Mr. Mafia Boss.
Pacino boycotted the Oscars in 1972, because he disagreed with being nominated for supporting actor for The Godfather. Since Brando refused the Oscar, the academy clearly had a grudge towards Pacino and snubbed him for Serpico, Godfather 2 and Dog Day afternoon, and then gave him a sympathy Oscar for scent of a woman
I think bad timing hurt Pacino in the 70s. The losses to Jack Lemmon and Art Carney feel like lifetime achievement awards, which the Academy gives out at their leisure and discretion. Even though I think Dog Day Afternoon is Pacino's best performance and the one he should have won for, losing to Jack Nicholson definitely didn't seem like they were shunning him. Nicholson was a star years before Pacino and had been nominated several times at that point himself (Easy Rider, Five Easy Pieces, The Last Detail, Chinatown) and Cuckoo's Nest was the big movie of the year that won all the big awards. It was kind of Nicholson's time. And then timing hurt Pacino again when he lost to Dustin Hoffman, who won for Kramer vs Kramer. Once again, popular actor who became a star prior to Pacino and had been nominated several times (The Graduate, Midnight Cowboy, Lenny) and then the Academy favored Kramer vs Kramer as the film of the year.
Pacino gets Screwed for years for Iconic characters, then when they give him his lifetime achievement thingy, he screws Denzel out of his Award that year
@@marshallauerback444 I absolutely agree that his performance in Scent Of A Woman wasn't anyway near his best and he has been sort of bombastic in most of his roles since then, but calling that a "descend into self-parody" is kinda too far. Sure, he hasn't been the subtle and toned down version of the 70s most cinephiles preferred but he still gave great, energetic performances in Scent and all the other movies he's done after that. I mean it's still Al fkin' Pacino lmao
One of the most boring movies of all time. A three-hour journey to a lonely autumn deckchair that we don’t lot more economically in The Godfather ? It takes a special kind of indulgence to just forget Michael’s murder of his brother-in-law and deceit of his wife and sister in the first film, and then to feel anything other than deja vu as he goes on to murder his brother and , guess what, deceive his wife and sister. Godfather was great. 3 was a little worse than 2.
@@oppothumbs1 if you think murdering your brother for betraying you is anywhere near the same level as murdering your sisters’ abusive husband who also got your brother killed ur an idiot. Each to their own on how much they like films but that criticism just comes off as so stupid
every single time i go out to eat with the wife i will always annoy her with two lines "You like your lasanga?" no matter what shes eating and "What are you drinkin? Champagne? Champagne cocktails!"
He just couldn't listen to others theories until they were finish, couldn't shut up simply viewing himself as the ultimate GodFather expert....so annoying
Like a complete unknown / Like a rolling stone i agree. I thought he ultimately ruined this podcast. Should have just been the original trio doing this one.
I love how Brian calls Bill out on his "These aren't takes!" defense on his digs on Kay Corleone. Bill, you just prefaced all of those by shrieking "These are MY HOTTEST TAKES!" a few minutes before. Fucking hilarious.
Awesome podcast to celebrate what is probably the best movie ever made. One thing I wish they touched on more was the score though. The music throughout, esp. the immigrant theme, is astonishing.
I always thought Kay went to sleep, Fredo snuck in and opened the drapes, which is why Kay was confused they were open. As for why Fredo would do that and not know it was obviously a hit... "He's weak and he's stupid"
except for Nightcrawler (which was by no means a bad movie; really liked it actually, but only watched it once), i think this is a very good list. I'd also add Irishman, Goodfellas, Pulp Fiction, and several others
1:51:40 Andy Garcia's mom was Lucy Mancini, the woman Sonny is boning against the door in the beginning of The Godfather, not Sonny's wife who spends the wedding reception bragging on Sonny's piece.
I’m surprised they didn’t point out- there’s a shot from Godfather 1 with Michael and his two bodyguards strolling thru the town center in Corleone that’s mirrored with the exact same shot early in GF2 when the hitmen are calling out to the village looking for young Vito before he escapes in the cart. Same exact shot.
Robert Duvall's benchmark performance was his portrayal of Gus in Lonesome Dove. It is my favorite character in any movie/mini series of all time. It is iconic...hands down his best role. His chemistry with Tommy Lee Jones as Woodrow is the best.
Fredo opened the drapes. They DID tell him they wanted to scare him. Fredo says something along the lines of "they said you were being tough on the negotiations and if I could help there would be something in it for me" Fredo half knew what it was but let his jealousy take control. When the reality of what he'd done set it he felt remorse.
Exactly. That was always what I thought happened. This round table not knowing whom opened the drapes is surprising. It’s very obvious it was Fred’s in my opinion. He is the only person that could be seen going into Michael Corleone’s personal bedroom without anyone saying anything or looking at it as strange. That is after all, his brother.
I appreciate Sean bringing up Meyer Lansky. So much of this film comes from real life Cosa Nostra. Roth's line "We're bigger than US Steel" was directly taken from Lansky.
Respect/Walk he never ordered Bugsy murder. In fact he got him a pass. The second decision to kill done by the commission. Lanksy did not defend his friend the second time. Read The Little Man. Great in depth book on Lanksy. He was never a murderer nor has the power to decide to murder anyone. His voice and opinion was taken with great respect but he didn’t now have a final say
My take on GF2 is that its the only film that contains everything that most people experience in life - family, marriage, separation, business, birth, death, religion, travel, government politics, friendship, enemies, etc.
Amazing that Cazale never got a nomination for this film. Amazing that Cazale NEVER received an Oscar nomination in his entire brilliant, but short-lived career. Three of his films, The Godfather, The Godfather: Part II, and The Deer Hunter took home the top prize. That's more than coincidence.
I admired Lee Strasberg’s Hyman Roth, when he was upset, he did this neurotic inhaling into his throat as he spoke. I thought that that was the kind of invention that made sense. What a teacher, yes?
yep, lee was my acting teacher in nyc, during the 60's....great to work with him on gf2,..jack english, loc mgr, pt 2...1973/74.......je weho...oct.2023😀
FYI - thirty years ago they put out a version where GF1 and GF2 were combined and the scenes are run in chronological order. THE best way to watch them IMO.
Just rewatched the "drape scene". How can they have seen the movie "300 times" and not see that Kay is sleeping when Michael comes into the room and wakes up? So clearly someone entered the room between she went to bed and closed the drapes and Michael comes in and wakes her up.
Fredo thought it would be a kidnapping. I think he gave them the layout to get to Michael but someone else opened the drapes while Kay was sleeping, perhaps Rocco hence why Mike sent him on that suicide mission to take out Roth at the end.
Some people saying the pod would be better without Bill, get out of here. His Kay take is over the top but that's why we love him. And the thing he did bringing up the drapes thing and the discussion that followed is a perfect example of why he is great for this podcast.
The way the camera concentrates on Michaels face when Fredo is in Cuba always stood out to me. The seriousness on his face and focusing on it led me to believe Michael suspected Fredo. When he introduces him to Johnny Ola and stares at them. He knew.
If he knew during that prior scene, how come he was physically overcome when Fredo confirmed he knew Ola before during the sex show? I think he was suspicious prior to, but optimistic it wasn't Fredo
He didn't KNOW anything at any point. He went with his gut feeling throughout. The whole thing was Michael going with his intuition and when his intuition was confirmed, adjusting accordingly.
The most recent example of a first viewing 'confusing' me was The Master. Watching it the second time I realized it was a masterpiece. Third viewing confirmed it. Woody Allen said of 2001: A Space Odyssey after seeing it for the second time: "It was one of the few times in my life that I realized that the artist was way ahead of me." He hated it the first time he saw it three years prior.
I’m glad that you read the best picture nominations for the year, in that what I don’t think people understand is how FEW good films were being made in the seventies in America. Everyone seems to love the decade (I don’t like those sorts of divisions), but for the people who weren’t alive yet, they don’t know how few good movies we had each year.
Brian Koppelman is 100% right about "The Irishman" - both the perceptive comment that 1. "The Irishman" is the movie Godfather Part II would have been had Scorcese directed it & 2. 20 years from now it will be recognized as a truly great film (PS You have to watch it exactly as Koppelman suggests here)
i love, love, LOVE Irishman. It is my favorite Scorsese movie -- after watching it the 30th time, it eclipsed Goodfellas. It is so good, don't care that it's 3.5 hours long -- could watch it over and over again and not get bored. It's a crime that DeNiro wasn't nominated and also that Stephen Graham wasn't nominated.
I think it might be some of Joe Pesci's best acting. He's so low key but still exudes an aura of complete power and control. I loved him in Casino and Goodfellas, but he's masterful in The Irishman. It's just a totally different role.
@@davidburros8619 really? The crappy CGi didn't bother you? All the actors were way too old. Way too long. Also it's based off a totally made up story. The guy it's based off was a pathological liar. None of what he claimed actually happened.
first of all, Cagney was an Irish gangster, and he looked it. in Serpico, which I watched recently, Al takes a step forward, toward that cop who nearly caused his death, and it's clear he's pissed and is about to articulate it. that exact same scene ,for an instant, exists in 'Glengarry Glenross', when it's clear that Williamson (Kevin Spacey) has blown Roma's(Pacino)1st prize in sales and Al takes that exact step, and reads him the riot act. I've watched that scene 75 times probably. so, seeing Serpico do it after so many years, really made me see it as a brilliant actor's device.
When I saw The Godfather Part I and II this Thanksgiving with my family for the 7th time I came to the same conclusion one of you guys did: it's a warning against assimilation. Every American ethnic can relate, and as a Mexican who cherishes my roots, this has been an important question for me my entire life.
Regarding the drapes scene,...they missed the fact that Kay was asleep when Michael entered the bedroom. She wasn't reading a book. Whoever opened the drapes did it when Kay was asleep.
In the original transcript when Mike gets back to the hotel and asksTom about Fredo, Tom says …”Fredo thought it was going to be a kidnapping.” So when Fredo took the phone call from Johnny and said you guys lied to me…it was because they told him it was going to be a kidnapping not a hit. I feel Roth also got to Rocco. And the would be assassins were killed by Rocco after they failed to kill Mike so they wouldn’t talk.
Fascinating. Film is still such a new art form. Godfather (G) set the bar high, and Godfather part 2 (G2) exceeded it. Imagine centuries ago, art critics discussing a new work of Da Vinci or Mozart. So much awe. Each critic can’t wait to finish each other off in expressing how they feel. But is it a male thing? Dare I ask, how many women rate G or G2?
I keep watching this podcast over and over. I love when Koppelman confuses Art Carney with George Burns at the 32 minute mark. Even the mistakes are great. The Rewatchables of Heat and Goodfellas are essential but this might be the best podcast. Ever.
One of only three films to highly rated classics that enriches the original. The other two being 'The Bride of Frankenstein' to 1931's 'Frankenstein', and 'the Empire Strikes Back' to 'Star Wars'. As for being the best, one of the true greats, but there are many, many others in each decade, including 'The Gold Rush', 'The General', 'The Kid Brother' and 'Sunrise' in the 1920s. Not to mention the best of the great directors; Welles, Wyler, Wilder, Hawks, Ford, Capra, Sturges, Lubitsch, Frankenheimer, ect. What it has going for it is the operatic scope, and the extraordinary immigrant experience.
Rocco either allowed or opened the drapes. He killed the 2 hitmen, so they couldn’t talk. Michael knew that and sent him to kill Roth as redemption for the assassination attempt knowing Rocco would die in the mission.
if there is a title for the king of Hollywood i personally would say, its 100% Alpacino, i scanned thousands of movies since 1970th until today, there is nobody could even be close to his level
Tom Hagen was a great character but in my opinion Duvall’s Gus in Lonesome Dove is his greatest performance. He even uses “Gusisms” in future Western roles.
but imagine a different actress - what would Streep have made of Kay, who ought to have ice and spine and comes across wooden and incomprehensible instead? Or how about Faye Dunaway? Eileen Brennan? Shelley Winters? So many other actresses could have given Kay some depth and drive, despite (I agree here) her not being given much to work with.
I have learned a lot from you guys and I am enjoying this particular video thoroughly first Rewatch the scene with Kthya getting into the car that is a break from the scene with the children a fast forward in time if you will, Secondly and this is a big one- The entire scene with Frank Pentangeli and risotto brothers was staged by Roth the entire scene the policeman everything so when Danny Aiello said those lines improvised in a way it was redundant because Frank Pentangeli will already know that Michael “tried to kill him” he was not meant to be killed and either was Chichi- Roth like Tom Hagan said “ played this one brilliantly”- Think about it and you will see that’s the only thing Tom Hogan meant when he says “this one” - otherwise Roth would just have been lucky - Not brilliant- In other words- That Tom Hagar line cannot be ignored- Stray observation- Lowering the boat (an empty coffin to. be filled)
Watching a ton of The Americans tells me that Fredo gives Roth the name of someone (maid/guard) who they can lean on to let people into the compound at the party or at night and who can open the drapes. They either get killed off screen or Michael never finds them. Remember the hitmen are killed on the compound by someone else. If I had to write the scene of Johnny tricking Fredo, I'd have Johnny comment on never seeing Michael anymore, Michael is big timing everyone, hiding out in his fortress, what does he have in there? a safe full of money, you should just steal it, Michael stole the family from you, I'll help.
I love BK’s demeanour……..he’s like……I made Rounders with Malkovich Damon and Norton…….and you guys are pretty cool…..such a gentle and intelligent person
They go on about how seeing a movie only once is not good, i.e. Godfather II and The Irishmen then they say about Godfather III..."I only saw it once!" Pacino is the only good thing about that movie. Pacino, Keaton, García [Best performance], Shire [Great evolution of her character], Wallach, Mantegna [Chews up the screen], Donnelly [Archbishop Gilday] are all great characters. No. III is a great movie, the problem being the first two are Masterpieces. Godfather III is betters than 95% of all movies released in the new Millennium.
This is a great podcast. Love the dissecting of when Michael decided to kill Fredo and how this is the ultimate film about good and evil. Great analysis
Simonas more about the back and forth about degrees about what is good or evil in terms of justifying committing crimes for the sake of family etc. What would you do in Michael’s situation? What is forgivable or not
Even with Appolonia, there was no joy between them. Yes, you can surmise it, but as I am wondering about Michael Corleone, we never saw him feeling joyful. He is talking to Kay, and she’s teasing him, ‘~would you like me better if I were a nun? would you like me better if I were Ingrid Bergman?’ and he doesn’t tease back, he instead falls into a deadpan, joyless, sad, old, ‘I-would-not-love-you-more-if-you-were-Ingrid-Bergman-‘, as Diane Keaton sees the newspaper. Hence, I wanted to write a scene for Michael and Appolonia, of each speaking the other’s language, or at a beach, a-nee-thing during which we could see them share a joyful moment. If anyone rewatches him present himself to her (she’s putting her students on a bus, but it’s unclear at first what has happened to her charge)…they look away from each other, as he proposes, and it ends with him putting her into her own hearse.
This is bullshit....Michael and Kay are walking out of the play. He is worried, he is looking behind him. He is worried, his father had told him to come to him after he comes back home from army . Kay is asking him about the actress.....Kay was beautiful but she had a fragile body. Later when they reunited her body changed, Puzo have her curves Apollonia had bigger body, she had breasts and hips ...filled in all the right places. Which is why he had thunderbolt....a biological manifestation of arousal, sexual eraction.
Apollonia was a manipulative, semiliteral goldigger who married an elderly man who she found ugly and who she knew was gangster after only two weeks of knowning him because she thought he was rich. He conned her into marrying him at the hight of the danger and killed her . He married her bc he had to....there is no sex on Sicily before marriage. Coppola commented with words " This is NOT the case of a prince asking for a princess ". After he satisfied himself...he was over it. He was killing time by trying to teaching her some English but she is not interested in anything intellectual. What little she learned she can't memorize....she can't memorize seven days in a week in a roll. He didn't have any relationship with her. She was a complete imbecile and there is not one registered conversation between them. Word Happiness is exclusively reserved for Kay a woman Michael at the end of the book called his Don " You are my Don ".
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I like how the Senator makes fun of Michael by literally deliberately mispronouncing his family’s name twice at the party but when he’s alone with Michael he says it perfectly. Brilliant touch by Coppola.
Damn, that got by me. Thanks.
My WASPy dad says it exactly the same way
I always thought he mispronounced the name publicly to show people that he really didn't know the Corleones very well.
Sometimes when I’m not too busy at work and need something on in the background, I will play this pod. It’s just a great 2 1/2 hours of entertainment, laughs, yet thought-provoking movie analysis, AND they pick it apart in ways that made me see it in a new way. Probably one of my favorite Rewatchables, along with Heat, and The Town.
Heat, Goodfellas, Pulp Fiction and Godfather 2 are my favorite Rewatchables but this one is the best.
If I lost an oscar for Godfather 1, Serpico, Dog Day, and Godfather 2, i'd go insane and start shouting "HOO-AH!" too
Lol. He did lose to Jack for One who flew over the cuckoos nest
@@MrOctober44 for all 4?!
lol and what a lame movie to finally get the award for. Scarface was a great performance.
Hoo-Ah
@@okgood8529 Come on man, you didn't like Scent of a Woman?
I mean sure, it's wasn't Pacino's best performance (or even remotely close to it) but he was still great in it and the movie was pretty good too.
Brian's enthusiasm is great. He can barely stay in his seat.
Digestion, not so much.
"The Pear", when Abbondanda is forced to let Vito go, he refuses the box of groceries and brings his wife a simple pear, most touching scene for me.
This is the best podcast episode I’ve ever heard.
of any show? ever?
I listened to it today. When I see these on TH-cam I feel I have to click on them to support the brand.
Appropriately so, given the subject matter!
H. Brown of all that I’ve heard
@@HBrown-cc6wv One of the best- high level- I listened twice in the car and came home and looked it up on You Tube
While I think 2 is the better movie, I love the first one more because Brando delivers an absolutely mesmerizing performance.
Pacino´s performance is better, but I agree that Brando´s is more captivating. There´s a mesmerizing feel to his performance that Pacino´s performance, mostly due to them being totally different characters, can´t quite capture
its cus of brando mainly first was better
I agree with ( what's his name?)...I liked " The Godfather, Part 1" better,
because Marlon Brando gave a tremendous performance!!
What about James Caan RIP? Sonny was awesome.
In the first Godfather we were rooting for the Corleone family because the Don is tough but he is fair. He was also very likable. Michael is very cold in the second one and not very likable. He mistreats everyone. Fredo, Connie, Tom Hagen, Kay, Senator Geary, Merle, Frankie Pentangeli.
John Cazzle only made 5 films:
Godfather
Godfather II
The Conversation
Dog Day Afternoon
The Deer Hunter
He’s great in all of them and the “ BUT IT AINT THE WAY I WANTED IT!” Is one of my favorite dialogues ever!
Cazale*
Best track record ever
“I’m smaht!” _voice breaks*_
All nominated for Best Picture.
Scram! Mike, you don't talk to a man like Moe Green like that!!!
You guys are very respectful of one of America's greatest films and filmmaker. I have an MFA from UCLA Theater, film & television. Francis has come in to speak with us. He's actually VERY Intelligent & humble.
They're "very wise and considerate young men"...
The Godfather is romanticized, and Godfather, Part II is probably the best sequel ever made, but I can't say that it's better than the original.
I dont know how these guys do this without a glass of Italian red wine in front of them. It's like best mates chatting about their favourite thing. I love it.
Yes, the best movie of all time, Pacino got robbed for
73 - Serpico
74 - The Godfather Part II
75 - Dog Day Afternoon
Blake Ward 72 The Godfather (supporting actor)
83 - Scarface (Leading Actor)
And Justice For All?
That might have been a little over the top.
Blake Ward Simone?
@@prilljazzatlanta5070 let’s not forget Dick Tracy
The early Little Italy scenes shot with a hint of warm sepia tones = Life. The Tahoe scenes shot with a blueish hue = Death. Gordon Willis was a master of visual subtext.
Expanding on this idea, the homeland scenes being a warmer tone, and the Tahoe scenes being colder represents the erasure of Italian culture within the Corleone landscape, and in and around Michaels life.
@@jules1469 A Corleone does not belong on ice.
JACK ENGLISH FOUND THE LOCATIONS FOR "GODFATHER, PART 2",,,IT WAS E. 6TH STREET IN NYC....& L.A. LOCS, & LAKE TAHOE...😉✌..(& "APOCALYPSE NOW"} & ONE FROM THE HEART. & L.A "OUTSIDERS" FINALE...
YEP..GORDON WAS GREAT......JE
And it's all so dark.
i think it's time for me to watch Godfather II again
The final flash back scene is the best because it kicks off the first movie. It also lets you look back at at how each character got to where they are by the end of 2 if they make it that far. At the beginning of 1 you may not think Michael would become the person he did but you see him in this scene and think “of course he becomes the worst person ever”
The flashback scene was fantastic. You can see Michael's complex relationship with Tom Hagen. Also, Michael ended up affecting everyone in that dining room in coming years.
2 reflects the changes that were taking place in American society at the end of the 50s and especially of course the 60s, which were being very much mirrored in the Mafia. From about 1957 with the Anastasia hit and attempted hit on Costello and the Apalachin meeting, and especially 63-64 with the Valachi hearings making the Mafia public and the Justice Dept going after them and the Bonanno war and the Gallos going to war with everyone and getting away with it, everything started getting more confused and chaotic which led to the 70s where everyone was coked up and murdering each other -- the chaos from basically the Colombo hit in 1971 (while they were making GF 1 btw) until the Castellano hit and the Commission Trial in the mid-80s was insane. So watching GF 2 it's like a contemporary look at American society knowing something is wrong and knowing they're making poor choices but they just can't help themselves and they're reflecting on how it all got established as a sort of nostalgic look back. Almost like Sopranos first episode where he talks about coming in at the end of something, it's like a generation trying to come to terms with not seeming to be as great at their parents and feeling like things are slipping away and desperate to cling on to them no matter what. GF1 is like the Happy Days of the Mafia and everything fits. GF2 is about institutions (and society) not surviving the generational and historical changes intact.
Very well said.
You are good.
I love that Vito flees from sicily to america to hide and Michael flees from america to sicily to hide in the same town.
Greatest movie ever. Everything all together all at once to the nth degree. Bravo.
The idea that Art Carney gets an Oscar over Al Pacino that year...it epitomises everything that is wrong with the Oscars.
Marshall Auerback and Joel Grey beating him in 1973 is just as insane
That Harry and Tonto and Towering Inferno got so much Oscar consideration shows some stubborn clinging to Old Hollywood of the time.
Even if the Oscars had a grudge against Pacino for boycotting the shows in 72, why give it to the weakest performance of the five? Nicholson, Hoffman or Finley we’re far better
GF2 classic film
For driving around with a cat!
Regarding Fredo reclined in the chair, with the earth tones and the darkness and the plants above his head - it's like he's in the ground. It's like he's getting buried underground. It's like he's digging his own grave. This is the moment he seals his fate.
It’s not that deep
The freezing cold outside-the coldness of death
@@trapez77 graves are not that deep, agreed
No he’s already dead. The message isn’t he’s digging his own grave, the grave has already been dug and he’s already in it.
His body is so limp, like his spirit, and the chair is perfect for his noodle-like posture.
Wonderful podcast and Koppelman's additions lifted the discussion to a new level. However I thought the round table discussion did not give enough attention to the "Young Vito" scenes, which were critical to the film's brilliance.
His presence also keeps that idiot Fennessey in check he can't pretend to be an expert while sitting next to a real filmaker.
I was thinking the very same thing. And all the young Vito scenes are very rewatchable! Especially the scene where Vito gets fired and is chased after his Boss with a box of food but refuses out of integrity. Great!
Chris's comment "Every few days I just fire up the abortion scene" just had me dying with laughter.
That scene had me annoyed as hell. She just kept going 😂
@@37thousand Kay's sole purpose is to hate Michael for being who he is. And then they doubled down in Godfather 3. "I don't hate you Michael. I dread you." Ok Kay we get it. You're not a fan of Mr. Mafia Boss.
Chris Ryan is a national treasure.
Pacino boycotted the Oscars in 1972, because he disagreed with being nominated for supporting actor for The Godfather. Since Brando refused the Oscar, the academy clearly had a grudge towards Pacino and snubbed him for Serpico, Godfather 2 and Dog Day afternoon, and then gave him a sympathy Oscar for scent of a woman
Funk O'Matic I 100% agree, I still would’ve given the Oscar to Brando, but it’s ridiculous that Pacino was nominated in supporting.
It was awful that Pacino won for "Scent of a Woman" . That was the film when he started his descent into self-parody.
I think bad timing hurt Pacino in the 70s. The losses to Jack Lemmon and Art Carney feel like lifetime achievement awards, which the Academy gives out at their leisure and discretion. Even though I think Dog Day Afternoon is Pacino's best performance and the one he should have won for, losing to Jack Nicholson definitely didn't seem like they were shunning him. Nicholson was a star years before Pacino and had been nominated several times at that point himself (Easy Rider, Five Easy Pieces, The Last Detail, Chinatown) and Cuckoo's Nest was the big movie of the year that won all the big awards. It was kind of Nicholson's time. And then timing hurt Pacino again when he lost to Dustin Hoffman, who won for Kramer vs Kramer. Once again, popular actor who became a star prior to Pacino and had been nominated several times (The Graduate, Midnight Cowboy, Lenny) and then the Academy favored Kramer vs Kramer as the film of the year.
Pacino gets Screwed for years for Iconic characters, then when they give him his lifetime achievement thingy, he screws Denzel out of his Award that year
@@marshallauerback444 I absolutely agree that his performance in Scent Of A Woman wasn't anyway near his best and he has been sort of bombastic in most of his roles since then, but calling that a "descend into self-parody" is kinda too far.
Sure, he hasn't been the subtle and toned down version of the 70s most cinephiles preferred but he still gave great, energetic performances in Scent and all the other movies he's done after that.
I mean it's still Al fkin' Pacino lmao
Godfather 2 also has an incredibly beautiful music score by Nino Rota. It's a gem within the movie. I even bought the soundtrack CD many years ago.
One of the most boring movies of all time. A three-hour journey to a lonely autumn deckchair that we don’t lot more economically in The Godfather ?
It takes a special kind of indulgence to just forget Michael’s murder of his brother-in-law and deceit of his wife and sister in the first film, and then to feel anything other than deja vu as he goes on to murder his brother and , guess what, deceive his wife and sister. Godfather was great. 3 was a little worse than 2.
@@oppothumbs1 if you think murdering your brother for betraying you is anywhere near the same level as murdering your sisters’ abusive husband who also got your brother killed ur an idiot. Each to their own on how much they like films but that criticism just comes off as so stupid
@@oppothumbs1Come back after you graduate, kiddo.
@@oppothumbs1 2 was amazing. Go watch stupid Avengers movies.
every single time i go out to eat with the wife i will always annoy her with two lines "You like your lasanga?" no matter what shes eating and "What are you drinkin? Champagne? Champagne cocktails!"
Really enjoyed the Kopplelman addition to the podcast.
Yes. Seems like a very cool guy and he was great here. Knows his Godfather for sure too.
100% I've never seen Rollerball, but I will within the next week.
He just couldn't listen to others theories until they were finish, couldn't shut up simply viewing himself as the ultimate GodFather expert....so annoying
Like a complete unknown / Like a rolling stone i agree. I thought he ultimately ruined this podcast. Should have just been the original trio doing this one.
I don't like his luminescent teeth.
"This is the business we have chosen!"
.... followed by throat click
This has become an all time re-watchable podcast for me. Pre-kids Sean is so well composed and put together. I love every minute of this video.
I love how Brian calls Bill out on his "These aren't takes!" defense on his digs on Kay Corleone. Bill, you just prefaced all of those by shrieking "These are MY HOTTEST TAKES!" a few minutes before. Fucking hilarious.
Awesome podcast to celebrate what is probably the best movie ever made. One thing I wish they touched on more was the score though. The music throughout, esp. the immigrant theme, is astonishing.
by one of the greatest film composers ever, the guy who masterminded most of fellini's impact, maestro Nino Rota
I always thought Kay went to sleep, Fredo snuck in and opened the drapes, which is why Kay was confused they were open. As for why Fredo would do that and not know it was obviously a hit... "He's weak and he's stupid"
Godfather 1 and 2, No Country for Old Men, There Will Be Blood, Nightcrawler.
My favorite films to watch over and over.
except for Nightcrawler (which was by no means a bad movie; really liked it actually, but only watched it once), i think this is a very good list. I'd also add Irishman, Goodfellas, Pulp Fiction, and several others
1:51:40 Andy Garcia's mom was Lucy Mancini, the woman Sonny is boning against the door in the beginning of The Godfather, not Sonny's wife who spends the wedding reception bragging on Sonny's piece.
Yeah they missed a few other points also.
They missed a lot
Alotta Fagina
I always thought Roth engineered a policeman to walk in while the meeting was taking place
I’m surprised they didn’t point out- there’s a shot from Godfather 1 with Michael and his two bodyguards strolling thru the town center in Corleone that’s mirrored with the exact same shot early in GF2 when the hitmen are calling out to the village looking for young Vito before he escapes in the cart. Same exact shot.
Robert Duvall's benchmark performance was his portrayal of Gus in Lonesome Dove. It is my favorite character in any movie/mini series of all time. It is iconic...hands down his best role. His chemistry with Tommy Lee Jones as Woodrow is the best.
agree
Respectfully disagree. I would rate Tender Mercies and Great Santini 1,2.
Just watched the Tyson and Spinks fight. I mean those 90 seconds were definitely worth it for the story alone. Great episode guys, really enjoyed it.
Fredo opened the drapes. They DID tell him they wanted to scare him. Fredo says something along the lines of "they said you were being tough on the negotiations and if I could help there would be something in it for me"
Fredo half knew what it was but let his jealousy take control. When the reality of what he'd done set it he felt remorse.
Exactly. That was always what I thought happened. This round table not knowing whom opened the drapes is surprising. It’s very obvious it was Fred’s in my opinion.
He is the only person that could be seen going into Michael Corleone’s personal bedroom without anyone saying anything or looking at it as strange. That is after all, his brother.
If they told Fredo to open the drapes even he would have known it was going to be a hit.
I appreciate Sean bringing up Meyer Lansky. So much of this film comes from real life Cosa Nostra. Roth's line "We're bigger than US Steel" was directly taken from Lansky.
Most of the charecters were based on true people.
He called Lanksy multiple murderer, which lanksy wasn’t.
Respect/Walk he never ordered Bugsy murder. In fact he got him a pass. The second decision to kill done by the commission. Lanksy did not defend his friend the second time.
Read The Little Man. Great in depth book on Lanksy. He was never a murderer nor has the power to decide to murder anyone. His voice and opinion was taken with great respect but he didn’t now have a final say
@@Stonewall29 sammi the bull got off with killing 20 plus people because he gave up the man that ordered the killing john gotti.
@@Stonewall29 he was one of the founders of the syndicate , they made all the hit approvals
"I´ve seen the godfather part 2 at least a 100 times to fully appreciate it"
"I´ve seen godfather part 3 only once and i hated it"
When something's lousy, mediocre, or forgettable, you don't need to try it 100 times.
3 is a disgrace. All associated with 3 should give their $$ back. It hurt my eyes. When it comes on I will not watch it.
Agreed. The Godfather, Pt. III has a lot wrong with it, but it could have been a worthy entry to the saga.
I like part three, even though it’s nowhere near as good as the first two. You have to admit it was dangerous stuff to talk about publicly.
It had a really good story, but the absence of Robert Duvall totally kills it for me, bad move, shoulda just paid the guy
My take on GF2 is that its the only film that contains everything that most people experience in life - family, marriage, separation, business, birth, death, religion, travel, government politics, friendship, enemies, etc.
yep..je
Koppelman getting so excited when Sean or CR gives some interesting bit of insight is wonderful.
ESPN took Grantland out for a row on the lake.
ESPN is on that same lake right now.😂
Amazing that Cazale never got a nomination for this film. Amazing that Cazale NEVER received an Oscar nomination in his entire brilliant, but short-lived career. Three of his films, The Godfather, The Godfather: Part II, and The Deer Hunter took home the top prize. That's more than coincidence.
Insane to think what it would've been like to have all the best directors in their prime, fighting to get him in their work
I admired Lee Strasberg’s Hyman Roth, when he was upset, he did this neurotic inhaling into his throat as he spoke. I thought that that was the kind of invention that made sense. What a teacher, yes?
yep, lee was my acting teacher in nyc, during the 60's....great to work with him on gf2,..jack english, loc mgr, pt 2...1973/74.......je weho...oct.2023😀
FYI - thirty years ago they put out a version where GF1 and GF2 were combined and the scenes are run in chronological order.
THE best way to watch them IMO.
Heat check to Simmons for managing to bring up Rounders multiple times in a discussion of The Godfather: Part II
Adam Pelkey I think he keeps bringing it up because Koppelman wrote the script.
Just rewatched the "drape scene". How can they have seen the movie "300 times" and not see that Kay is sleeping when Michael comes into the room and wakes up? So clearly someone entered the room between she went to bed and closed the drapes and Michael comes in and wakes her up.
I've never understood why anyone has ever cared about the Oscars. In any event, great review!
Fredo thought it would be a kidnapping. I think he gave them the layout to get to Michael but someone else opened the drapes while Kay was sleeping, perhaps Rocco hence why Mike sent him on that suicide mission to take out Roth at the end.
Some people saying the pod would be better without Bill, get out of here. His Kay take is over the top but that's why we love him.
And the thing he did bringing up the drapes thing and the discussion that followed is a perfect example of why he is great for this podcast.
My favorite throw away line... "what are you drinking? Champaign... Champaign cocktails"
Brian Koppleman standing up and audibly farting at 1:32:25 is what has aged the best
Once he gets a whiff of it he says "Oh that's the best".
I searched these comments just for this.
Do they just rip farts. Is that common in California
Lmao - guys being buys.
The show must go on!
I don't think Bruno Kirby ever got the respect he deserved for his performance in this film. He had great confidence and menace in it
yep..good actor..rip..je
The way the camera concentrates on Michaels face when Fredo is in Cuba always stood out to me. The seriousness on his face and focusing on it led me to believe Michael suspected Fredo. When he introduces him to Johnny Ola and stares at them. He knew.
If he knew during that prior scene, how come he was physically overcome when Fredo confirmed he knew Ola before during the sex show? I think he was suspicious prior to, but optimistic it wasn't Fredo
yep..jack english,,,loc mgr gf 2....oct 2023😮
He didn’t know but he suspected him. He didn’t trust anybody except Tom.
He didn't KNOW anything at any point. He went with his gut feeling throughout. The whole thing was Michael going with his intuition and when his intuition was confirmed, adjusting accordingly.
The most recent example of a first viewing 'confusing' me was The Master. Watching it the second time I realized it was a masterpiece. Third viewing confirmed it. Woody Allen said of 2001: A Space Odyssey after seeing it for the second time: "It was one of the few times in my life that I realized that the artist was way ahead of me." He hated it the first time he saw it three years prior.
Got 6yy
I’m glad that you read the best picture nominations for the year, in that what I don’t think people understand is how FEW good films were being made in the seventies in America. Everyone seems to love the decade (I don’t like those sorts of divisions), but for the people who weren’t alive yet, they don’t know how few good movies we had each year.
This is the godfather 2 of godfather podcasts
Brian Koppelman is 100% right about "The Irishman" - both the perceptive comment that 1. "The Irishman" is the movie Godfather Part II would have been had Scorcese directed it & 2. 20 years from now it will be recognized as a truly great film (PS You have to watch it exactly as Koppelman suggests here)
i love, love, LOVE Irishman. It is my favorite Scorsese movie -- after watching it the 30th time, it eclipsed Goodfellas. It is so good, don't care that it's 3.5 hours long -- could watch it over and over again and not get bored. It's a crime that DeNiro wasn't nominated and also that Stephen Graham wasn't nominated.
I think it might be some of Joe Pesci's best acting. He's so low key but still exudes an aura of complete power and control. I loved him in Casino and Goodfellas, but he's masterful in The Irishman. It's just a totally different role.
@@davidburros8619 really? The crappy CGi didn't bother you? All the actors were way too old. Way too long. Also it's based off a totally made up story. The guy it's based off was a pathological liar. None of what he claimed actually happened.
@@davidburros8619 Not even close to Goodfellas or Casino.
first of all, Cagney was an Irish gangster, and he looked it. in Serpico, which I watched recently, Al takes a step forward, toward that cop who nearly caused his death, and it's clear he's pissed and is about to articulate it. that exact same scene ,for an instant, exists in 'Glengarry Glenross', when it's clear that Williamson (Kevin Spacey) has blown Roma's(Pacino)1st prize in sales and Al takes that exact step, and reads him the riot act. I've watched that scene 75 times probably. so, seeing Serpico do it after so many years, really made me see it as a brilliant actor's device.
Bill Simmons awkwardly making fun of Kay and then Chris and Sean for some reason worried about offending Diane Keaton is just fantastic.
When I saw The Godfather Part I and II this Thanksgiving with my family for the 7th time I came to the same conclusion one of you guys did: it's a warning against assimilation. Every American ethnic can relate, and as a Mexican who cherishes my roots, this has been an important question for me my entire life.
You wanna tell me what the alternative is other than you moving back to Mexico?
Bill ''Everything is about Rounders'' Simmons
He would be so angry with me when I tell him that Rounders isn't even John Dahl's best movie.
@@puremercury yea Red Rock West and Last Seduction are both far superior. I don't even think Rounders is that great.
"Give that man his money."
Regarding the drapes scene,...they missed the fact that Kay was asleep when Michael entered the bedroom. She wasn't reading a book. Whoever opened the drapes did it when Kay was asleep.
Did not expect to watch this entire thing. Loved this, great work. Best movie ever.
Happy birthday Al Pacino. Love this podcast rewatch it all the time.
In the original transcript when Mike gets back to the hotel and asksTom about Fredo, Tom says …”Fredo thought it was going to be a kidnapping.” So when Fredo took the phone call from Johnny and said you guys lied to me…it was because they told him it was going to be a kidnapping not a hit. I feel Roth also got to Rocco. And the would be assassins were killed by Rocco after they failed to kill Mike so they wouldn’t talk.
this is the first time i’ve seen the hosts i’ve only heard them through spotify and it’s strange to finally see the faces to the names and voices
The billions connection aside, I’m I the only guy who gets a Paul Giamatti vibe from Brian Koppelman? 🤷🏽♂️ he sounds like him too
Fascinating. Film is still such a new art form. Godfather (G) set the bar high, and Godfather part 2 (G2) exceeded it. Imagine centuries ago, art critics discussing a new work of Da Vinci or Mozart. So much awe. Each critic can’t wait to finish each other off in expressing how they feel. But is it a male thing? Dare I ask, how many women rate G or G2?
"JFK..."
"Not on this... its already going to be the longest podcast of all time."
Koppelman wins Podcast MVP
He halted the bashing of the godfather three. He robbed us of that moment
1. Godfather 2
2. Godfather 1
3. Goodfellas
4. Once Upon a Time in America
5. Casino
Honorable Mention- Carlito’s Way
Replace Goodfellas with Scarface
Jerry 85g blasphemy!
@@CoolHandLuke7 No it's not....Pacino in Scarface was mesmerising.
I forgot to mention Bronx Tale
@@jerry85g7 Goodfellas is much better than Scarface
I keep watching this podcast over and over. I love when Koppelman confuses Art Carney with George Burns at the 32 minute mark. Even the mistakes are great. The Rewatchables of Heat and Goodfellas are essential but this might be the best podcast. Ever.
It's the greatest movie ever made.
Definitely
Jack and Jill is better.
What you like?
One of only three films to highly rated classics that enriches the original.
The other two being 'The Bride of Frankenstein' to 1931's 'Frankenstein', and 'the Empire Strikes Back' to 'Star Wars'.
As for being the best, one of the true greats, but there are many, many others in each decade, including 'The Gold Rush', 'The General', 'The Kid Brother' and 'Sunrise' in the 1920s. Not to mention the best of the great directors; Welles, Wyler, Wilder, Hawks, Ford, Capra, Sturges, Lubitsch, Frankenheimer, ect. What it has going for it is the operatic scope, and the extraordinary immigrant experience.
As a filmmaker I am so glad to discover your channel through this video. Great stuff
I really enjoyed this. Thank you.
The Young Vito scenes are my favorite parts of the movie.
yep, my nyc, acting pal, bobby deniro.....jack english..actor/loc mgr, pt 2......jack english weho 2023
Rocco either allowed or opened the drapes. He killed the 2 hitmen, so they couldn’t talk.
Michael knew that and sent him to kill Roth as redemption for the assassination attempt knowing Rocco would die in the mission.
Roger stauback is a devout catholic. He always prayed the hail mary all the time including in games which is why that play became called the hail Mary
@@flounder I saw his documentary, he always prayed the hail Mary even before that play. It just got known once that play happened
1:32:25 Brian Koppelmann raises himself up in his chair and farts...... and no one misses a beat
incredible lol
What's aged the best...him doing it or everybody no selling it?
He says "Oh that's the best"
Best line in part II: “Rocco! Alive!”
Exactly!! Lol
Best line in Part 1: “You tell that goomba if he tries any rough stuff, I ain’t no bandleader!!”-Jack Woltz
Brian Koppelman's enthusiasm is fantastic.
yep...jack english...location mgr ,coppola.. (gf2, outsiders, one from the heart, & loc scout..apoc now...)..yep weho oct 2023...✌👏
Awesome podcast. Just rewatched the trilogy since it’s the 45th anniversary of PART 2
Al Pacino in godfather 2 cannot be beat. In that role I believe he was Michael Corleone and Pacino ceased to exist
if there is a title for the king of Hollywood i personally would say, its 100% Alpacino, i scanned thousands of movies since 1970th until today, there is nobody could even be close to his level
For me Deniro
Danny Aiello was the man. May he never be forgotten. Leon will never be the same. RIP.
yep..my dear pal, danny...rip....jack english..loc mgr/coppolla/etc.....weho👋
Tom Hagen was a great character but in my opinion Duvall’s Gus in Lonesome Dove is his greatest performance. He even uses “Gusisms” in future Western roles.
The ab0rtion scene is my favorite one so definitely a rewatchable! Apollonia would never!
Simmons is entirey correct about the weakness of the Kay Corleone character--and it nothing to do with Diane Keaton
Nothing about her was weak
but imagine a different actress - what would Streep have made of Kay, who ought to have ice and spine and comes across wooden and incomprehensible instead? Or how about Faye Dunaway? Eileen Brennan? Shelley Winters? So many other actresses could have given Kay some depth and drive, despite (I agree here) her not being given much to work with.
Kay was the representation of everything Michael wanted to be, but ultimately couldn't be. Simple as that.
I have learned a lot from you guys and I am enjoying this particular video thoroughly
first
Rewatch the scene with Kthya getting into the car that is a break from the scene with the children a fast forward in time if you will,
Secondly and this is a big one-
The entire scene with Frank Pentangeli and risotto brothers was staged by Roth
the entire scene
the policeman
everything
so when Danny Aiello said those lines improvised in a way it was redundant because
Frank Pentangeli will already know that Michael “tried to kill him”
he was not meant to be killed
and either was Chichi-
Roth
like Tom Hagan said
“ played this one brilliantly”-
Think about it and you will see that’s the only thing Tom Hogan meant when he says “this one”
- otherwise Roth would just have been lucky -
Not brilliant-
In other words-
That Tom Hagar line cannot be ignored-
Stray observation-
Lowering the boat (an empty coffin to. be filled)
Watching a ton of The Americans tells me that Fredo gives Roth the name of someone (maid/guard) who they can lean on to let people into the compound at the party or at night and who can open the drapes. They either get killed off screen or Michael never finds them. Remember the hitmen are killed on the compound by someone else.
If I had to write the scene of Johnny tricking Fredo, I'd have Johnny comment on never seeing Michael anymore, Michael is big timing everyone, hiding out in his fortress, what does he have in there? a safe full of money, you should just steal it, Michael stole the family from you, I'll help.
I love BK’s demeanour……..he’s like……I made Rounders with Malkovich Damon and Norton…….and you guys are pretty cool…..such a gentle and intelligent person
They go on about how seeing a movie only once is not good, i.e. Godfather II and The Irishmen then they say about Godfather III..."I only saw it once!" Pacino is the only good thing about that movie. Pacino, Keaton, García [Best performance], Shire [Great evolution of her character], Wallach, Mantegna [Chews up the screen], Donnelly [Archbishop Gilday] are all great characters. No. III is a great movie, the problem being the first two are Masterpieces. Godfather III is betters than 95% of all movies released in the new Millennium.
Agree
there's a cut after Mike surprises kay with the children, just the two of them walking, and a kid passes kay on his bike and says " hi Miss Adams '
This is a great podcast. Love the dissecting of when Michael decided to kill Fredo and how this is the ultimate film about good and evil. Great analysis
But who is good in the movie, there's no character that is "Good"
Simonas more about the back and forth about degrees about what is good or evil in terms of justifying committing crimes for the sake of family etc. What would you do in Michael’s situation? What is forgivable or not
Greatest Mystery is How Mrs.Roth Came back into the Room after Micheal 'LOCKED'the Door
Even with Appolonia, there was no joy between them. Yes, you can surmise it, but as I am wondering about Michael Corleone, we never saw him feeling joyful. He is talking to Kay, and she’s teasing him, ‘~would you like me better if I were a nun? would you like me better if I were Ingrid Bergman?’ and he doesn’t tease back, he instead falls into a deadpan, joyless, sad, old, ‘I-would-not-love-you-more-if-you-were-Ingrid-Bergman-‘, as Diane Keaton sees the newspaper. Hence, I wanted to write a scene for Michael and Appolonia, of each speaking the other’s language, or at a beach, a-nee-thing during which we could see them share a joyful moment. If anyone rewatches him present himself to her (she’s putting her students on a bus, but it’s unclear at first what has happened to her charge)…they look away from each other, as he proposes, and it ends with him putting her into her own hearse.
This is bullshit....Michael and Kay are walking out of the play. He is worried, he is looking behind him. He is worried, his father had told him to come to him after he comes back home from army .
Kay is asking him about the actress.....Kay was beautiful but she had a fragile body.
Later when they reunited her body changed, Puzo have her curves
Apollonia had bigger body, she had breasts and hips ...filled in all the right places. Which is why he had thunderbolt....a biological manifestation of arousal, sexual eraction.
Apollonia was a manipulative, semiliteral goldigger who married an elderly man who she found ugly and who she knew was gangster after only two weeks of knowning him because she thought he was rich.
He conned her into marrying him at the hight of the danger and killed her .
He married her bc he had to....there is no sex on Sicily before marriage.
Coppola commented with words " This is NOT the case of a prince asking for a princess ".
After he satisfied himself...he was over it.
He was killing time by trying to teaching her some English but she is not interested in anything intellectual. What little she learned she can't memorize....she can't memorize seven days in a week in a roll.
He didn't have any relationship with her.
She was a complete imbecile and there is not one registered conversation between them.
Word Happiness is exclusively reserved for Kay a woman Michael at the end of the book called his Don
" You are my Don ".
The low key best part is watching Chris and Sean look at each other during the Rollerball fanboy discussion at 2:09:44