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You guys need to look at @thelandofchem - he’s shown plenty of evidence as to what the pyramids were used for and why they were built and what was actually going on. Danny - you have to interview Jeff.
There's no way other people haven't figured this out. The greatest Roman or Greek engineers of their times would be able to understand the precision. The Egyptians themselves must have had some chain of story which really was from those who built this stuff. What if it is over 100,000 years old? It is like the often quoted story of Solon and how the Greeks were like children without a true knowledge of history. We are the same now!
Yeah these fantasy tales are entertaining. Sometimes it's nice to just stop thinking and believe anything that sounds fantastic, and do no fact checking the claims made or the tricks Ben uses, the strawmen, the logical fallacies and so on
Lol. Yeah i never go into a pod thinking im watching the whole thing today.. but with ben it just happens you dont even think about watching something else..he really is a amazing speaker and such a cool guy..this really is the new way i lean things.
One of my favorite 2-3 hr podcasts in recent memory. I’ve already partially listened to this like 4 times now. Keep fall asleep to it, but that’s because it’s so pleasing to hear
I’m a CNC Machinist and also Zeiss trained CMM Programmer. .017” runout on a spherical shape when using Datum’s A (flat horizontal plane in Z axis) and Datum B (cylinder that is perpendicular to A in X axis) is incredible accuracy. For example, I currently work for a Fortune 200 industrial company and machine a lot of ring gears amongst many other things. Our tolerance for the most precision gears designed for Motorsports applications is .007” runout on outer diameters using a similar datum structure for measurement. We use the best modern CNC machines made today to achieve this using high pressure work holding that utilizes hydraulic pressure. Now, back up 5000+ years ago and tell me how they achieved this tight tolerance? I’ll wait…
Argueably, from a generalized "low" standard of human cultures and civilizations, which MANY peoples and cultures and locations STILL SUFFER from, but nonetheless, in the course of 500 to 1000 years MAX, any similarly sized (which isnt vary large at the minimum) population at that "low" standard would inevitably develop technology, albeit many times through vary different starting points. And MANY "inventions" or "discoveries" came about multiple times around the world in a short window of time; AS WELL as many are forgotten and REdiscovered (id say that is MOST things) again and again. To me this alone 99% PROVES to me that it was indeed HIGHLY possible for ancient peoples or civilizations or cultures to have developed advanced tech, fine tool making, logic & machanical devices, etc etc. And thats just over the course of our KNOWN history of current homo sapiens existence for 200,000+ years with the same brains as us. So, even barring any EXTREME assumptions, its totally possible to me.
I have done a little bit of everything in my life I also have a architectural engineering certificate and you are 100% right. I feel like most people don't understand how tolerances work in engineering. getting anything to that kind of tolerance is ridiculous yet the ancients did it with copper and stone tools on granite. 😂
You've pointed out a glaring problem with archeology. Archeologists will draw a conclusion about something in which they are not subject matter experts, and then dig their heels in on it. When subject matter experts try to tell them they are wrong, they call them crazy.
My brother was the foreman at a Leading Australian Concrete Cutting Company. He was the ‘go to guy’ for the road tunnels in Melbourne, as the Authorities had access to his personal mobile and he was on-call 24/7, if a sudden leak started, he was the guy who had to be on-site instantly, to cut open the tunnel walls so the other engineers could fix the leak in the membrane. This particular job was only reserved for the most experienced men in his field of expertise. That said, he was one of the best tradesmen I’ve ever come across, concrete, steel, timber and almost all other engineering disciplines. I watched a number of documentaries with him over the years and he cannot explain how they achieved the level of accuracy when cutting the stonework and other building techniques used in these stone structures. So what are we getting at here? I suppose we all know that history is not what ‘they’ are saying it is. I know for a fact that many Spectacle Lenses have been found at these dig sites, so eyewear was used, even 2000 years ‘BC’. I’ve seen a number of these myself. So I’ve come to the conclusion that there are certain elements of our history, and our current situation on earth that is real and correct…as our so-called educators and historians have stated.
If the flood story is true humans went from near extinction to the moon in around 14000 years, it’s not hard to imagine a previous era lasting much longer between civilisation ending events, they had the same brains we do. Why couldn’t ancient humans have achieved a state of advanced technology as well, it seems totally plausible
Because they have left NO evidence of it whatsoever. Not a single TRACE. Nothing. We love to sit here and imagine the powerful technology they used to create the things they did. And in the process forget that the tools they used to these works would still be around. So how is it that all these civilizations left NOTHING for us to estimate with? Either they were moving rocks telepathically and all those shrooms i did were right. Or they just werent that advanced.. And we just simply dont understand the scale of slavery involved in building these megaprojects for their time. There would be evidence. Theres no way around that. It NEEDS to be answered otherwise all of these theories are basically worthless. I would LOVE to believe it all. Again im a tripper. But *Logically* none of it actually makes sense when you really think about it.
Actually 12000 years ago human beings had brains 20% bigger than us, hence they were smarter than which is quite easy . As Osho once said : democracy is the power of the people by the people for the people...but the people are dumb 🤣🤣
@Max-pi3si that's the thing though, sometimes you cannot even think of the words you're feeling/thinking of in your head. I know the description of the word, but I just can't think of the word!
My absolute fave part of this vid (allthough i loved every bit of it) was when he said, after his buddy analyzed the vase that it reminded him of the golden records weve sent out to space. That these vases are like time capsules almost, made to tell us about them and what they knew back then. GAVE ME CHILLS!! And i love that thought! its truly amazing! love you Ben and Danny!!
The most astonishing thing to me is that this little vase isn't a 'time capsule sent to us with encoded knowledge for some future civilization to decode'...but instead a common object that in its' day was unremarkable and commonplace. That it encapsulates SO much mathematical information and shows such precision of manufacture...really points to a VERY sophisticated civilization having been responsible for its' creation. Just amazing....
Well then why do we not have loads of them?. It doesn’t encapsulate SO much mathematics, you are just listening to a guy who is a known liar, and you believe him hook,line and sinker.
@@Leeside999 someone’s gotta do it tho, for instance let’s just say nike was the first clothing brand, doesn’t mean other people can’t sell clothes, what i’m talking bout is the fact that he can continuously talk about a topic, again for instance i’ve been playing cod for over 13+ years, but i still cannot go on talking for 3 hours about that topic with barely repeating myself
Considering the video is 3 hours plus it seemed to go by in a heartbeat. Thoroughly engaging on a range of topics and Ben's research is second to none imo. His full video on the vase project is definitely worth a watch too. I hope too, that the various Museums that have similar objects in their collections allow him access to scan their vases. It is only this way that the data accumulated would be accepted by those nae-sayers who don't like where Bens research and conclusions are heading. Keep up the sterling work Ben I for one admire your commitment into finding out the truth behind a lost civilisation and their true capabilities. Many many thanks!!
One of the most intriguing and thought provoking podcasts about ancient Egypt I have ever heard. Ben is a breath of fresh air. Protect this guy at all costs!
@@totobeni because they didn't do it. I don't see how that's so difficult for people to understand. If they did, they miraculously forgot how and got many many times worse. Egyptians absolutely did not know, understand, and implement these types of advanced mathematical equations. It's not known or implemented for many thousands of years after early Egyptians, period. Nowhere. The advanced mathematical understanding of the universe that whoever made these had doesn't remotely match up with what we know about the people of this time period.
Flint Dibble v. Ben is the next debate I want to see on Joe Rogan.... Flint: :there's no evidence for an advanced civilization" Ben: "Exhibit 1, the defense rests...."
Ben is only convincing when he's the only one talking. Watch his podcast with the ancient presence channel. When hit with counterpoints he couldn't leave the chat fast enough. He's a spoofer who cites other spoofers.
@@AustinKoleCarlisle that moment showed how disingenuous he is. "Truth seeker" my ass. When he was presented with the truth he couldn't get out of there fast enough.
@@Leeside999 you were expecting him to immediately validate the claims made in an obscure, translated document before getting a chance to verify it's source?
@@Leeside999 you were expecting him to immediately validate the claims made in an obscure and translated document before getting a chance to verify the source? get real, he knew those people were trying to get a gotcha moment and rightfully walked away.
Ben is the man. I have been following all of these topics for decades and he is one of the few people able to put it all together. I commend him for his work.
..and only a small handful who actually go out to these places that I can't, and give an inside, first person view of it all, and then fantastic analysis. Awesome.
@@NzTings you mean he can't speculate on anything? Also to be fair it may not be groundbreaking to you, but saying this isn't something to be talked about, or something new is odd.
As an engineer working in Cairo over 10 years I spent time in the Cairo Museum transfixed by the precision of those vases. In rickety old wooden display cabinates was the hardest stone cut with micro precision wafer thin and yet with handles on! Not only do you need the most robust of lathes but it must be a 5 axis machine to leave those handles in place. The vase is beyond difficult but the seamless handles are impossible. I spent hours looking at these things they are machine made, the pottery work along side is a homage only......not in the same league. "That there is no lack of precision between the two lug handles" yes thats the clincher......how the hell have they done this is an inconsistent material with such wall thickness and Rockwell hardness!
I did the same thing 5 years ago.i e done lots of turning and various types of material working.As soon as I saw that stuff it's clear someone had sufisticated tools,same with at the pyramids, drill ho,es cuts that look like melted shapes with persision. No doubt,why so ,ong to just accept and try to move on. Build on that obvious .Metals would have been stollen, decayed and remelted.
As does the rhind papyrus written by Egyptians that proves they had geometry, it even has pyramids on it wow, let's see ben bring that up..... he never will
@@cristristam9054 What I was trying to say was it for sure built back 2000 years ago or found 2000 years ago and re-found again in the ship wreck. Just as described in this podcast, much of the past is hidden. Who knows what other information is below the miles of bookshelves under the Vatican AND what did we lose at the burning of Alexandria? I feel if we had access to those two, we'd know much more about our true history.
@badmanskill1112 it has greek writing on it, so it can't be before 8th century bce, that's when greeks starting writing, I believe it was dated to 2nd century bce
All he does is say things other loons have said but vaguely. “There’s these weird, really strange things…I haven’t really looked into it” he’s just a shit talker
Praveen Mohan says the same thing and shares amazing in depth bits on hindu ancient architecture&so called temples. 👍🏻 I've said since I was a kid in the early 90s, looking down from above at these ancient sites. Especially the cyclopean and megalithic tech sites? They look exactly like gigantic machine's or blueprint overlays of how to build a giant very complex machine. Think teotihuacan which almost exactly resembles a modern printed circuit board when you compare them from overhead and side by side. They had mercury under the buildings there, mica in the walls that came from far away in brazil, and a paved multi km long beautiful main road with perfect drainage to this day!
UnchartedX is silly. You all should check out World Of Antiquity's numerous debunks of this guy's videos. This artifact has zero provenance. That means there is a HUGE likelihood that it's a modern forgery. There's a reason academia can't do anything with unprovenanced Egyptian artifacts because the counterfeited artifacts are such a huge problem in Egypt. There are likely more fakes floating around than actual, legitimately ancient artifacts. Local counterfeiters would specifically target western tourists and "collectors" and they flooded the market with these forgeries. So it's not insignificant that Ben obtained this vase from a western collector who can't trace the vase any further back than the 1980s and the private artifact trader who sold it to him (who would tell him exactly what he wanted to hear about it).
@@jasonj4865 have you watched any of the debunks??? Check out the one done by World Of Antiquity, it engages with it for over an hour. Would you WANT to know which parts of Ben's theories are flawed???? That's actually the most important step is a desire to know if your theories are wrong or not. Ben is not one of those people.
@@jellyrollthunder3625 link it, I will watch it. I have watched hours of debunks that focus on building strawmen and completely destroying them. Perhaps I'm not looking in the right places.
@@jasonj4865 I will attempt to leave a link in the next comment, but often these alternative history channels will hide comments containing external links, but Here are a few useful pages to look into (in this order) if you'd like to know the other side of the argument: World Of Antiquity, Scientists Against Myths, Sacred Geometry Decoded, Stephan Milo, and Miniminuteman. The last guy can be a bit of a prick about things, but he's usually not wrong. The last two primarily deal with Graham Hancock, while the first 3 do a lot with the claims of "ancient precision". Could you give me an example of one of the strawmen that are being made about alternative historical assertions?
Ben makes me proud to be an Aussie! Love to be able to follow him around and listen to him, Graham and all the other guys finding these missing artifacts and trying to sort out the messages within them.
Seriously??? This guy is a PROVEN, DEBUNKED crackpot.. glad that makes you proud I guess.... complete horse hockey, and he has been debunked MANY MANY times by people that actually KNOW what they are talking about.. sad, very sad that TH-cam allows this crap without a disclaimer... none of this is scientific.. all just unsubstantiated baloney.
Gotta love Ben’s work. The best way to topple all these entrenched orthodoxies, be they in archeology or pharma or whatever, is firstly by raising an army of highly engaged and competent laymen who supersede the old paradigm by sheer force of number, spreading awareness of counterfactual anomalies, making enough noise to force change within the establishment, both by convincing members of the intelligentsia to explore new avenues and by inspiring an entirely new generation of future academics. Uncharted X is doing such valuable work in this regard. 👍
@@ansonyt3966 No not at all. See Thomas Kuhn’s ‘Structure of Scientific Revolutions’ to understand how paradigms persist, even in the face of evidence that contradicts them, and then how paradigms eventually shift. New media presents an amazing opportunity for greater more diverse participation in these shifts. So long as the shift occurs in the direction of nearer proximity to truth, it matters not from who or where the information comes.
This is such an uniformed opinion I’m sorry. We don’t need more arm chair experts. Anyone that does bjj knows that the loudest students in the class are white belts who have been training for a while. They think they’ve discovered something magic, their friends think they are a grappling master and they annoyingly have to yell out every position or submission attempt while watching UFC. This reminds me of Ben and his legion or armchair, TH-cam watching experts. They see something for the first time and for some reason don’t assume that archeologists and scientists haven’t seen what they have seen. They are same as the white belt trying to explain to the purple belt “i just cross collar choke someone if I’m under mount”. They don’t know what doesn’t work because they haven’t been doing it long enough and no one has time to make you learn all the “holes” you think you’ve discovered.
The granite vases blow my mind. The precision on a single piece of granite. Can't wait to see more CAD analysis with other vases similar to the one Ben has already detailed out.
Scientists Against Myths channel reproduces these granite vases all the time on their channel. They just use a harder stone than granite and a rotating lathe. Even as complete novices they were able to achieve incredible precision. Just think about what someone who spent their life doing this could achieve.
@@jellyrollthunder3625 No they don't. If they do, well once Ben and the engineers create a standardized methodology for scanning the precision of all these vases there will categories of the quality and precision, I am sure that channel will offer up their best attempts to be analyzed right?
@@OSYofRR "No they don't" and then you admit you haven't even looked into it, lol. Scientists Against Myths channel has already started measuring LEGITMATELY DATED predynastic stone vases from museums as well as some of their own. You should look into it, although it's probably not going to tell you what you want to hear. You can't find out what is actually possible unless you look into it. It's super easy to find
It has handles ...... that are part of the solid structure so how does it go round & round without removing the handles .... magic!!! @@jellyrollthunder3625
When Michael Shermer disagreed with Carlson and Hancock, he demanded, "where's your evidence?" It seems to me that the stonework is the evidence, and how it was done is the arguable claim that may or may not be supported/explained by the evidence. I believe this could be called the evidence of our senses?
So funny, at 21:30 they’re trying to find a map of the Great Pyramid and having trouble finding a good one. All the while Ben is wearing a t-shirt that has the map on it 😂
Ben, the next time you are in the Kings Chamber, notice the adjacent wall near the box. You will notice that there is a block of stone in that wall that is about the same height and width of the box. You will also notice that this stone is non-weight-bearing. This stone can be removed and will give you access to the void above the Grand Gallery. Also, speaking about underground chambers that all information about them has been kept from the public, I wish someone would do research on Harawa. A double decker labyrinth that was described by many ancient historians that we today know where it is. Information today says that the rising water table has already most likely done an inestimable damage, and yet no one explores it. A few years ago I watched a video of how this was again verified with some satellite data. Why has no one gone there to discover what is in the labyrinth?
because the people "in the know" in Egyptology are ENTIRELY aware that the Dynastic Egyptians did not build the majority of megalithic works in Egypt. anything that could potentially disrupt the fairytale is not excavated or displayed. if you want the non-politically correct answer: they have to keep the grift alive so Africa can claim they had civilization before the white man arrived.
Gonna need some magic to remove that stone in the KC without breaking it first. "Information today says that the rising water table has already most likely done an inestimable damage, and yet no one explores it" Ah yes - trapped underground in flooded, likely unstable corridors and rooms in a region well known to be prone to geological activity. I wonder why anyone could possibly hesitate to explore it? 😑 It took people years to find Tutankhamun's tomb in the Valley of the Kings despite looters picking it clean for literally millennia - if any entrance is at Hawara beyond something inside the pyramid itself then it isn't going to be found easily, you could probably walk right over it if it was buried with sand and rubble as the Tut tomb entrance was. Also the ancient historians that attested to the labyrinth did so BEFORE the Romans started taking it apart to construct other buildings - it's highly likely that they simply stripped it bare, until all that was left would be what was cut straight into the bedrock, which can be unstable at the best of times, and in a high water table region like Hawara that instability would be so much more dangerous to explore. People want to get famous and rich, but not at the cost of drowning.
If we were a species about to go extinct or close to it, what better way is there than to make a structure so advanced and everlasting that the next civilizations could see how far we came before.
@@mnomadvfx 😳 the discussion was about finding ancient remarkable feats and explaining them within an understandable historical context, which to this day remain inexplicable; tiktok wasn't brought up
I always enjoy interviews with Ben! With that said, I think the guy from the channel "Land of Chem" has the best theory of the original purpose of the pyramids.
Because the Government of countries like Egypt and China are so desperate to retain a unique origin story, we may not ever know about large parts of human history. The Egyptian government has been quietly excavating and researching these sites in secret for the past decade.
China has SO MUCH HAVE u ever seen 2012? So what if that's how the last time went down? WhT if.... Those Chinese folk have an immense amount of history WE HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT!...from what I understand there's alot the ppl of that country are kept in dark. That said... If the stories of myth all make sense... line up and are so similar. Is it not pragmatic to at least ASK WHY, WHO WHAT WHEN WHERE HOW!
I was fortunate enough to have met Ben at the Cosmic Summit. He’s incredibly interesting and such a great guy! So thankful for his diligence and dedication
If they used what we call Cnc machines to make the vases, They needed a Cnc, they need the math and engineering of the components to make the Cnc, the factory to make the Cnc, the raw materials to make the Cnc, the machines to make the precision parts for the Cnc. A computer for the Cnc, the machines to make the Computer, they need the math and engineering of the components to make the computer, the factory to make the computer, the raw materials to make the computer, the machines to make the precision parts for the computer. Once this machine was built and its purpose fulfilled they made vases..? This technology did not happen overnight. Where are all the machines? Where are all the infrastructures? There are no traces of them. Again, We all need to speak out and say that Egyptians did not make any of the ancient buildings and statues etc. In my opinion Zahi Hawas needs to be investigated and removed from anything to do with Egyptian archaeology. He has hampered the progress in Egyptian Archaeology. There is so much that we don't know and there is so much being held back by those making money off these artifacts and hidden locations. Reply
It's not bad when you got been on here and you got Randall Carlson, people that actually are trying to find the true origins of humans instead of spreading lies like the rest of society.
Less so of all those things than he thinks. If you're versed in people talking out their ass, he does use quite a few of their 'tricks' to obfuscate topics. He could be doing that deliberately or he could be doing because he's just not intelligent enough to realize his own errors.
This is the only podcast where I'm just sitting here thinking "wtf" every time Ben brings up the precision incorporated in all the pre-dynastic creations.. The vase blew my mind, mainly because seeing the diagrams imposed the vase took me back to my first graphical drawing class in highschool about 15 years ago. I took a compass and played around with it to make what is described in this video as the "circle of life pattern", where circles intersect each-other at exact points to make what looks like a flower in a circle. I know of course I didnt create this pattern, but I would have never thought that 10,000+ years ago a vase was made out of stone with this pattern in mind.
But it doesn’t. We will never find any “ancient lost technology” Why? Because it doesn’t exist. If you were that advanced, would you just make vases and shit out of stone? No you wouldn’t.
One thing I dont think modern people realize now a days is just how amazing the night sky must have been to people thousands of years ago. Today we know " yeah okay those are stars " but to ancient people they had no idea what those shiny things in the sky were. I can totally see humans from thousands of years ago building these massive structures to be able to understand and recognize patterns in the night sky and to try to understand it.
If they could build this tech. They couldve left the planet. This is beyond us. We were those poeple thousands of years ago, amazed by the night sky. and that got us to the moon. They built this as a time capsule. One that needs energy to activate those blocks. It sends the energy underground for who knows what. The floods would not have destroyed them if they built this. im fact, The asteroid might have been on purpose. Ancients could not build this without more time on is, by thousands of years, maybe more. They couldve built these to rebuild the biosphere during total destrfction. and regerminate the planet. One coudlve house human dna until it was time to go back out. what ever is underground, could play a partt, could contain dna of previous lifeforms. OR it could go way deeper. There is something far deeper here. and the fact that that guy went down there and then acted like he didnt see anything. Who knows.
@@TheMookie1590 if they could leave the planet, I dare to suggest they left traces on the Moon. Which would stay there forever. But nothing was found. I believe they weren't so sophisticated as to leave the Earth. If they were, they wouldn't be possibly defeated by the proto-Athenians.
Ohh man. Randall one week, Ben the next!? Straight slaying it over here. Please have him and Randall back soon Danny, they’re definitely onto the truth and look forward to seeing where this goes.
Just 2,500 years ago, the Hopewell Indians were still making stones tools and small carvings by hand. But yet 14,000 years ago they were doing all that, WOW‼️
Very knowledgeable and interesting. Ever since I can remember I have been interested in Egyptians and archaeology. I know in my very soul/being it has a connection to a race that isn't human. Thank you.
The vase being a golden record was what I was thinking the entire time and when you finally brought it up around 3:07:35 I almost started yelling😂 nice podcast
@@Stadtpark90 I’m starting to feel like the earth is the golden record of a lost civilization. 😂With all these megalithic structures found all over the world
Hearing the measurement results on that pre-dynastic vase also implies a control and or knowledge of temperature in which to make it it to the more unbelievable being able to adjust for the temperature at time and location of making the vase. As with micrometerscale (ym, sorry dont know exactly how to create correct symbol on keyboard so replaced with y) temperature will influence measurement. As well as the force a hand exerts on the measuring tool. Though by the sound they used a 3d bench which can remove such influence of force of the measurer. I used to work with instruments measuring at such tolerances in a temperature controlled office. The measurements mentioned by mr Van Kerkwyk are in the realm of what was considered as acceptabele tolerance limits when calibrating our actual measuring tools. And out of all our tools I never learned the one that be able to measure this vase. I wasn.t allowed to touch the Mitutoyo tippoint 3d bench. These vases really tickle my imagination!
That’s exactly right, I always think about the pyramids and what the environment was like during the construction. There had to be a large amount of food and water, and housing for not only the workers but all the other “vendors “. There had to be organization, a lead men and crews that had their specialties. Restaurants, sanitation…. Hunters, meat processors, cooks, everything.
exactly - i've always wondered how the hell they ever got anything done without a spreadsheet and a gannt chart - seriously - if we ever lose our modern tech - we're screwed!!! :)
I'm glad more folks are going against the mainstream, so just maybe we can continue to dig into our history even more... so much missing and not enough debate happening to help piece it together!
@@AIenSmithee I'm in for debate... it's pretty obvious that the flat earth theory has already been debunked! Do you always let your your emotions get in the way?
how can you "redate Egyptian history" with completely unprovenanced artifacts that have a high likelihood of being forgeries considering that is such a MASSIVE issue with the Egyptian artifacts market? Ben just wants to date everything back to the younger dryas. He just works backwards from the same conclusion every time. That's not science
@@jellyrollthunder3625Most of these younger dryas advocates have nothing to do with Egyptian artifacts. They use pyramid erosions, constellation alignment, known building methods by humans throughout different eras of history, and what civilizations around the earth say themselves about the structures in their homelands.
@@jeremiahh.3383 I think there is a huge correlation between people claiming LAHT and the Ice Age super-civilization crowd. TONS of overlap there. Both groups use each other's arguments interchangeably without blinking an eye. When are they suggesting this civilization would have existed if not during the ice age??? Don't they need an unprecedented "cataclysm" to explain why they can't be found? Everything is almost ALWAYS being redated back to the younger-dryas. It's the premise they are always working backwards from. It's a huge part of this alternative history community. Just out of curiosity, what kind of evidence would it take to convince you otherwise? It's still pretty devastating that there is zero archaeological evidence of such an advanced pre-dynastic civilization ANYWHERE. How could their cities and infrastructure have just vanished off of the face of the earth??? Why are their artifacts ONLY ever found among the archaeological ruins of other civilizations' cities? Sure, SOMETIMES a civilization will build upon older settlements, but you'd think they must have abandoned at least a FEW different settlements here and there which no one ever went back to resettle (like all other civilizations). How come the archaeological record always seems to confirm the slow, easily traceable progression of technological advancement from civilization to civilization??? Simply using big stones to build with doesn't necessarily mean they had to be more technologically advanced to achieve it. We see technology getting increasingly SMALLER today, i.e. more PRACTICAL. Every single stone moved in antiquity could be moved using primitive methods using cap stands and rollers. This is demonstrated by the 1500-ton "thunderstone" that was moved by Russians in the 1700s using nothing but the same primitive cap stand/roller techniques available to the predynastic Egyptians. This method works so well we were still using it to move hotels and apartment buildings around cities during the 20th century. No advanced tech required. There are many videos of this being done on youtube.
I'm a big fan of Bens work, and I have just become aware of the Koncrete station. Very much enjoying today's show. The work Ben and Chris Dunne have done on precision, symetry, on incredibly hard rock is the most compelling evidence of an advanced civilization imo. As of late, mostly because of the scan of vases video, I'm starting to think they had a completely different approach to mathematics and a culture with very different values then we have today. And a very different type of tools then we have today. Its hard to get your mind around it. I wonder if they had the type of tools capable of such precise accurate work in extremely hard rock, better then what we have today, did they have vehicles? What was the power source of these tools? And when you start thinking about computers and such advanced tools, are there satellites that would have stayed in orbit during cataclisms? There might well be none of those things because of the values of their culture. They seem to value building things that last, as those vases are common and do not have any advanced function. And the mathematics that appear to be based on a different system that included sacred geometry makes me wonder if they were much more culturally conservative when it comes to environment. I don't know, but I do find this subject fascinating as I spent much of my life just trusting academic interpretation of ancient history...and in the past ten years so much of what I learned was proven wrong...they don't admit it, they play language games and deny deny, deny. But when you look at new information on everything from DNA to the proof of much older civilisations in Turkey to when North America was populated it proves much of what I learned was wrong. Sorry for long winded post. Didn't mean to, but its hard for me not to go on once I get started. Thanks for the excellent podcast.
I absolutely agree with what you are saying. Understanding things like this 'newly discovered' site becomes difficult because: 1. Not only do we have to interpret what was arguably something that was designed by people with a completely different understanding of the world than us. 2. Much of what we have been taught (and not taught) has been deliberately misleading. 3. We have to unlearn much of what we have been taught to even begin to understand the truth of things. It seems very likely to me now that the principles of 'sacred geometry' played a huge role in past civilizations. I strongly suspect that this sort of knowledge (along with a great deal of other things no doubt) have been largely hidden from us because of the potential that it unlocks. Our current 'leaders/controllers' need for us to be ignorant so they can more easily maintain control over us.
I absolutely disagree. Ben hasn't done any work, nor is an archeologist, scientist, or anything of the like. You can't measure one vase and say heres proof. They couldn't even say for certain when that vase was made. It's like seeing a car for the first time that happens to be blue. You wouldn't say ALL cars must be blue would you?
@@aic5073 We can’t make a vase like the vases that have been recovered today, not out of stone with the degree of precision that they were made with. We barely have the technology to accurately measure the precision of these vases. One does not have to be a scientist to see what is glaringly obvious.
I suspect he's not really an antagonist, he's clearly interested and is playing a long term game of mediation, this stuff would honestly cause absolute chaos if it all became apparent immediately. He's also on paper a Muslim and is managing waves in a region that is dominated by Abrahamic dogma. It's quite selfless in principle but the application may not be perfect.
We’ve come further in the last 175 years than the rest of recorded human history combined. When I think about what my great grandfather would come to see in his life time it’s awe inspiring. He would witness the invention of radio,automobiles,aircraft,air conditioning,atomic power,space exploration,computers,electric light bulbs, the electric grid, handheld devices capable of communication from anywhere to anywhere and I’m sure I’m leaving things out. Surely his lifetime of 1901-2001 would be greatest advancement of any 100 years in recorded history.
The shackles society imbeds our minds- since birth, we cannot see another way of life, another direction, another option, or way of thinking because it was decided for us😮
Im 32 and one thing for sure is the truth will be revealed in my lifetime and it will be Ben, Graham, and Randall to let us know and probably on the JRE podcast
The vases and the boxes are connected. Our ancient ancestors were doing something with them that is beyond any comprehension we can imagine. I am eager to learn of Chris Dunn’s newest speculations on this. The boxes and the vases share the same technology. They are of the same material. They exhibit sacred geometry. I predict we will soon learn more about the functionality of these artifacts.
"The vases and the boxes are connected" They were made at least 2,000 years apart in dramatically differing ages of Egyptian culture. The Serapeum was mostly constructed in the mid 1st millennium BCE onwards. The stoneware vases from the step pyramid catacombs mostly come from the 1st and 2nd dynasty periods with only a tiny handful bearing 3rd dynasty/Djoser marks to show that they were contemporary with the construction of the pyramid itself.
@@mnomadvfx “stoneware contemporary to the construction of the pyramid” You date the vases the same as the step pyramid? Because most of them were found there? Could the vases been inherited and possibly much older than the 1st, 2nd or 3rd dynasty? And I’m not taking about the Sarapeum, I’m talking about the granite boxes inside the Sarapeum. Much older than 1st millennium BCE. Yes they are connected by the technology used to make them.
I don't know if you're talking about the antikythera mechanism, but there's a brilliant TH-cam machinist (from Australia) called Clickspring who has a series of vids on recreating it. It'll blow your mind, guaranteed.
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@@ktbowersbellsouth True, the name "Atlantis" was notably mentioned by Plato. Yet, many ancient cultures have tales of gods who established their civilizations and lived among them. Manly Palmer Hall proposed that these deities might have been Atlanteans. The evidence suggesting the existence of advanced ancient civilizations is compelling. Not only do we have iconic structures like the Great Pyramid, Sacred Geometry, and various megalithic monuments, but there are also symbols and practices from Freemasonry, alchemy, tales of the Holy Grail and the Philosopher's Stone, and ancient codes from the Kabbalah to the I Ching. Furthermore, the research contributions of Graham Hancock, Randall Carlson, Ben van Kerkwyk, Robert M. Schoch, and others add depth to this argument. We have fascinating artifacts like the Antikythera mechanism and the descriptions of aerial vehicles, "Vimanas," in Indian epics. The precision of ancient observatories such as Stonehenge hints at a profound astronomical understanding. The Piri Reis map, with its unexplained details, further intrigues researchers. The construction mysteries of enormous stone edifices like Sacsayhuamán in Peru or the trilithon stones at Baalbek in Lebanon continue to spark debates. Moreover, the presence of pyramids from Egypt to Mexico raises eyebrows: is it mere coincidence that diverse civilizations across the globe all converged on the pyramid as a monumental form? Adding fuel to the fire, Dr. Danny Natawidjaja suggests that Gunung Padang's origins might be over 20,000 years old, challenging established archaeological timelines. Meanwhile, the grandeur of Angkor Wat in Cambodia, with its astronomical alignments and meticulous artistry, stands as a testament to ancient architectural brilliance. In the face of such evidence, dismissing the idea of advanced ancient civilizations seems short-sighted. And, to be clear, these examples merely touch the tip of the iceberg in this vast and evolving discourse.
@@ktbowersbellsouth There are many references to Atlantis by any other name from Pre-Colombian American History and most other culture's historical records.
schemer sounds like scimitar - "a short sword with a that broadens toward the point, used originally in Eastern countries." This blade being curved also coordinates with the curve cuts you witnessed. I wonder if the sword was named this way because it resembled the name for the ancient tool.
Yeah that was one of my favorite fictional shows, not quite up there with indiana jones but theres not a whole lot of archeology based fiction works to pick from.
@@coryCuc what game? I'm commenting on how I also enjoyed the program, it's fun tv with lots of nice views of archeological sites. Did you not like it?
@@coryCuc maybe you need to explain because you seem to be hallucinating or living in some kind of dream world? Are you actually insane or what? Do you think we are playing checkers or something right now? What are the voices telling you to do?
Ben is making history with this vase research. He said it best. It is hard evidence of advanced technology in the distant past that is impossible to deny. I hope his effort will lead to some form of official recognition by the establishment. But that may take a while...
@@X3R0D3DIt seems like, by normal scientific standards, there's holes in it you could drive a bus through, but I suppose everyone's got to start somewhere.
@@wizwhat8186 oh what let me guess, the vase is fake? lets hear an example of the obvious evidence to discredit this science. Do you have anything to offer besides cognitive dissonance and impotent rage?
The slab that he is referring to at 1hr 17min 25sec , that could have been the bed that the blocks sat on as they were getting cut. Almost like how we cut tiles on a wet saw, the blade is stationary and the bed slides on rails. Especially since its schist or something similar it would be higher on the mohs scale.
@2:34 They could be Emu depicted in the artwork, they did have contact with the Aboriginals of Australia. Boomerangs and other Aboriginal artifacts have been found, mabe trading or gifts.
but ZERO of these pseudoscientific fantasy writers are anywhere NEAR accurate. Watch the debunking lessons... these guys (Van Kerquick, Carlson, Hancock, Wolter, Van Daniken, etc) are a SCOURGE on reputable researchers everywhere... ALL their crackpot horseshit needs BS disclaimers, just like Flat Earth and Young Earthers, this is all 100% debunked horse hockey... Pitiful and sad, unscientific baloney... please watch and learn from REPUTABLE researchers... these fools make me so angry...
I love your interviews, especially the ones with Ben and Randall. I appreciate the content. You should really use more credible titles with people doing fringe yet good work like those two. I think it makes people have pre conceived notions about things that are far more credible than the titles make it seem. I noticed Randall got killed in the comments on your last podcast even though what he was talking about was entirely scientific.
Well...this is probably by design on the side of the opposition. I'm convinced that there are hordes of paid off accounts, bots, as well as regular people manipulated into totally trashing Randall, and anyone who pops their head up and dares to defy the petroleum and green energy industry. Yes, I think better less sensational titles would be good for luring fence-sitters and the curious... but I was surprised at how such a high majority of the critical comments and out-right attacks of Randall's appearance on the podcast would have been addressed had the person in question watched the interview for longer than 10 minutes. Whenever I see that degree of blatant ignorance, or vocal declaration of things that simply weren't true in regards to the interview....I go from feeling surprised to feeling suspicious.
Randall is an intellectual light of our times, an absolute wealth of knowledge. Such people always are maligned by small minded and mean people. Randall appreciates constructive critisicm, because he is committed to learning the truth of whatever he researches. Anything else is bullying or a witch hunt.
Great podcast ,,my grandfather told me when he was in egypt a guide took him and some of his fellow gordon highlanders into the tunnels under the Sphinx and they went to a door that they couldent open he said there were hyrogliphs that the guide deciphered that showed the timelines of major wars past present and future hundreds of lines carved in stone towards the last 20 wars he was shown a 2 inch line and told by the guide that that line was the war they in at the time the second world war and at the end of the glyph there was a long line carved in stone and he asked the guide what the long line was and the guide said it was one of two things it was either the war to end all wars or a thousand years of peace he also said that they could shine there lights into the room through the cracks in the edges of the huge door and he said it sparkled with gold and many treasures were inside he saw gold model planes on stands that he said looked like modern planes that we had today and he was so amazed that they had model planes in that room thousands of years before they were even invented by modern man he also said there were many books and he told me he thinks he had seen the chamber where the hall of records were kept he was in his seventies when he told me and at the time he said that discovery would be long gone by now and he was pissed off that it never made the news and being a millitary man was sworn to secrecy for 70 years and couldent speak about it ,,i believe he was telling me the truth and those artifacts were recovered by the brittish millitary shortly after they occupied egypt believe it or not but i feel privileged to have been told that story as growing up i heard many war stories from his missions but he never told me that till later in life just thought id share the story here for the first time as people watching this podcast might find it relevant
Y'know, it seems like, I've heard that story about the lines that predict wars somewhere before, I can't remember where... so either your grandfather copied it from somewhere else, or he was telling the truth.
It's probably true. They won't even acknowledge non-gov funded researchers about the Shinex. It's all a game to them. And as of the Brits clearing house under the Shinex, it's most likely true because if you have a hold on the country you can do w.e you want. Some say it's the same reasons we started wars with the Middle East, Try and steal as much ancient artifacts so they can re-write history that fits what they're trying to push. Inglorious Bastards was real, and the Iraq's have said and Historians and archaeologists said that Museums were raided and things were taken and some were destroyed at the beginning of the 2nd invasion and for a few years from lik 03'-05' What did Hitler do?... He was burning books and everything that had value and was stealing paintings, statues, ect.
Another truly great podcast Danny, you are smashing it. Thanks for all your hard work. What with Randall’s plasma and Ben’s precision you are helping make (change) global history 🙌
Why is everyone not amazed by this as we are?! 😳😂 it’s just mad!!! Should be all over the news this. It’s like the “prime radiant” in foundation, just FULL of information everywhere you look at it. Someone wanted someone like Ben to find it and decode it. AND…just hidden in a little pot the way it is?! Everything about it is blowing my mind man! 😂 all the books burning over the years since it was “made” and different religions taking over and floods… the thing was made to just sit there and wait for someone to notice it one day in the future!!! 😮 I can see what he meant when he said his mate rang him saying it’s keeping him up at night 🤦🏻♂️ kept me up last night thinking lol
It seems like, not having it "all over the news" until it's backed up by more evidence is the right call, as boring as it is (not that journalists don't often report things that aren't ready as "the latest scientific breakthrough" only for it to be disproved the next week, but this time it seems they jumped the right way). It seems like, until they've addressed the questions of (a) whether this vase is genuine/whether other vases show the same results and (b) whether this really is too accurate to have been produced without high technology, this is nothing but an interesting preliminary result to be tested further - if they *can* address those questions successfully, though, it becomes startling.
I was a Mason for 8 years and worked mostly granite and bluestone for walls and patios etc...A diamond edge chop saw will go thru about 60 linear ft of 2" slabs before it wears out. However they did those cuts is wayyyyyy ahead of where we are now.
@Leeside999 I wonder how these blades were propelled. Simple man power couldn't do that without some form of power be it some steam punk type shit with water or steam or air. Very interesting
@@ajgambs44 It can be done, and has been done using only man power. Plenty of videos here on yt showing it being done. It's slow work. The ancient Egyptians referred to granite/diorite as "costly stone" for this reason.
@@AustinKoleCarlisle They absolutely do. I've seen plenty of examples where they compare modern and ancient striations and they are identical. I know UnchartedX likes to say they are totally different, but he has to, as sawing and tube drills are one of his main "smoking gun" claims. Why doesn't he do a video and compare the modern and ancient striations and point out the difference? All he does is say there is no comparison.
My contention is that the intermidary sites like Gobekli Tepi were calendars needed by the early settlers based on the only moving, studied and repetative world above them--the night sky. Earlier civilizations probably grew their cultural knowledge beyond ours based on the sacred geometric relationships of the universe fully understanding their end of days. Van Kerkwyk and Carlson will and should become historical names for the centuries ahead. The science of our world over the past several centuries has run tangent to the true reality in the universe.
Thank you Danny for having Ben back on! This stuff is FASCINATING!!! Ben thank you for researching and sharing your knowledge with the world! At some point... the entire history of our world (and everything we thought we KNEW) is going to change (again)... Regarding the pyramids, anyone know a billionaire who could throw a few million at the Egyptian government to get some access and real answers?? 😃
I don't think those boxes are actually cut out of a single chunk of granite. I think they just did a really good job of making it look like that. If everything you know tells you that a feat is impossible, listen to that. It's probably right. It's like going to a magic show. Never let the magician trick you into thinking the most impossible part is being done for real.
Out of curiosity, does anyone know Ben's thoughts on Geoffrey Drums (The Land of Chem) theory about the pyramids being chemical manufacturing facilities?
No ben is not awesome he has had plenty of thrown in his face and will not change he blocks censors and hides, he does exactly what he says archeologist do, go watch ancient presence podcast with him when they pull up proof ben tucks his tail shutters in words and can't run away fast enough it's quite a funny thing to see, I talked with ancient presence and they said ben won't talk to them anymore lol hmmmmm I wonder why
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45:38 - Evidence the Dynastic Egyptians inherited the pyramids & tried to replicate them
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1:09:54 - What happened to the original casing stones on the pyramids?
1:16:14 - Evidence for ancient hyper-advanced cutting tools
1:26:29 - Petrie’s core # 7
1:37:50 - Application for the Serapeum boxes
1:42:33 - Relationship between precision & function
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2:14:32 - Bizarre scoop marks in granite quarries
2:19:36 - The “other species of hominids” potentially responsible for the great pyramids, Lloyd Pye, & possibility humans were genetically engineered
2:31:07 - Giant quarries
2:35:49 - New structured light scans of pre-dynastic vases
2:52:21 - Encoded ‘sacred geometry’ of ancient vases
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I mean, they could turn staffs into snakes so...
You guys need to look at @thelandofchem - he’s shown plenty of evidence as to what the pyramids were used for and why they were built and what was actually going on. Danny - you have to interview Jeff.
There's no way other people haven't figured this out. The greatest Roman or Greek engineers of their times would be able to understand the precision. The Egyptians themselves must have had some chain of story which really was from those who built this stuff. What if it is over 100,000 years old? It is like the often quoted story of Solon and how the Greeks were like children without a true knowledge of history. We are the same now!
you lose credibility when you have idiot grifters like this on
If you think im gonna sit here and listen to Ben Van Kerkwyk for 3 and a half hours , you absolutely right!
Once I started I couldn’t stop.. and then it ended faster then I thought hahah
Yeah these fantasy tales are entertaining. Sometimes it's nice to just stop thinking and believe anything that sounds fantastic, and do no fact checking the claims made or the tricks Ben uses, the strawmen, the logical fallacies and so on
@@celsus7979So you sat through three hours of a podcast just to make fun of it? Man you need to get out more if you find that entertaining.
Lol. Yeah i never go into a pod thinking im watching the whole thing today.. but with ben it just happens you dont even think about watching something else..he really is a amazing speaker and such a cool guy..this really is the new way i lean things.
He’s a carpenter not a archaeologist, architect or stone mason.
One of my favorite 2-3 hr podcasts in recent memory. I’ve already partially listened to this like 4 times now. Keep fall asleep to it, but that’s because it’s so pleasing to hear
My 3rd time now 😴😂
Same here my friend
Same 😊
Yes. Love it
These sometimes do me in like that.
Sumn about the voices and topics.
Just amazing to imagine the things they discuss
I’m a CNC Machinist and also Zeiss trained CMM Programmer. .017” runout on a spherical shape when using Datum’s A (flat horizontal plane in Z axis) and Datum B (cylinder that is perpendicular to A in X axis) is incredible accuracy. For example, I currently work for a Fortune 200 industrial company and machine a lot of ring gears amongst many other things. Our tolerance for the most precision gears designed for Motorsports applications is .007” runout on outer diameters using a similar datum structure for measurement. We use the best modern CNC machines made today to achieve this using high pressure work holding that utilizes hydraulic pressure. Now, back up 5000+ years ago and tell me how they achieved this tight tolerance? I’ll wait…
Argueably, from a generalized "low" standard of human cultures and civilizations, which MANY peoples and cultures and locations STILL SUFFER from, but nonetheless, in the course of 500 to 1000 years MAX, any similarly sized (which isnt vary large at the minimum) population at that "low" standard would inevitably develop technology, albeit many times through vary different starting points. And MANY "inventions" or "discoveries" came about multiple times around the world in a short window of time; AS WELL as many are forgotten and REdiscovered (id say that is MOST things) again and again.
To me this alone 99% PROVES to me that it was indeed HIGHLY possible for ancient peoples or civilizations or cultures to have developed advanced tech, fine tool making, logic & machanical devices, etc etc. And thats just over the course of our KNOWN history of current homo sapiens existence for 200,000+ years with the same brains as us. So, even barring any EXTREME assumptions, its totally possible to me.
I have done a little bit of everything in my life I also have a architectural engineering certificate and you are 100% right. I feel like most people don't understand how tolerances work in engineering. getting anything to that kind of tolerance is ridiculous yet the ancients did it with copper and stone tools on granite. 😂
You've pointed out a glaring problem with archeology. Archeologists will draw a conclusion about something in which they are not subject matter experts, and then dig their heels in on it. When subject matter experts try to tell them they are wrong, they call them crazy.
A straight stick....
My brother was the foreman at a Leading Australian Concrete Cutting Company. He was the ‘go to guy’ for the road tunnels in Melbourne, as the Authorities had access to his personal mobile and he was on-call 24/7, if a sudden leak started, he was the guy who had to be on-site instantly, to cut open the tunnel walls so the other engineers could fix the leak in the membrane. This particular job was only reserved for the most experienced men in his field of expertise.
That said, he was one of the best tradesmen I’ve ever come across, concrete, steel, timber and almost all other engineering disciplines.
I watched a number of documentaries with him over the years and he cannot explain how they achieved the level of accuracy when cutting the stonework and other building techniques used in these stone structures.
So what are we getting at here?
I suppose we all know that history is not what ‘they’ are saying it is.
I know for a fact that many Spectacle Lenses have been found at these dig sites, so eyewear was used, even 2000 years ‘BC’. I’ve seen a number of these myself.
So I’ve come to the conclusion that there are certain elements of our history, and our current situation on earth that is real and correct…as our so-called educators and historians have stated.
If the flood story is true humans went from near extinction to the moon in around 14000 years, it’s not hard to imagine a previous era lasting much longer between civilisation ending events, they had the same brains we do. Why couldn’t ancient humans have achieved a state of advanced technology as well, it seems totally plausible
Totally agree Gavin
I agree to. They problem all rode on dragons to the moon and now they all live in pyramids on the moon.
Because they have left NO evidence of it whatsoever. Not a single TRACE. Nothing.
We love to sit here and imagine the powerful technology they used to create the things they did. And in the process forget that the tools they used to these works would still be around.
So how is it that all these civilizations left NOTHING for us to estimate with?
Either they were moving rocks telepathically and all those shrooms i did were right.
Or they just werent that advanced.. And we just simply dont understand the scale of slavery involved in building these megaprojects for their time.
There would be evidence. Theres no way around that. It NEEDS to be answered otherwise all of these theories are basically worthless.
I would LOVE to believe it all. Again im a tripper. But *Logically* none of it actually makes sense when you really think about it.
You definitely call people racist if you disagree with them@@alexsetterington3142
Actually 12000 years ago human beings had brains 20% bigger than us, hence they were smarter than which is quite easy . As Osho once said : democracy is the power of the people by the people for the people...but the people are dumb 🤣🤣
I love how good Ben is at communicating his thoughts. I suck at at, so my appreciation comes from wanting to be similarly skilled.
@Max-pi3si that's the thing though, sometimes you cannot even think of the words you're feeling/thinking of in your head. I know the description of the word, but I just can't think of the word!
@Max-pi3siI tried that and got admitted by my kids
Become a carpenter like Ben. 😂
same, fellow autist
Ben has alot of practice lying to people it is quite a skill I must say
My absolute fave part of this vid (allthough i loved every bit of it) was when he said, after his buddy analyzed the vase that it reminded him of the golden records weve sent out to space. That these vases are like time capsules almost, made to tell us about them and what they knew back then. GAVE ME CHILLS!! And i love that thought! its truly amazing! love you Ben and Danny!!
Not gunna lie, deff sent chills down my spine as well.
Yep, chills same time!
The most astonishing thing to me is that this little vase isn't a 'time capsule sent to us with encoded knowledge for some future civilization to decode'...but instead a common object that in its' day was unremarkable and commonplace. That it encapsulates SO much mathematical information and shows such precision of manufacture...really points to a VERY sophisticated civilization having been responsible for its' creation. Just amazing....
Very well put. Spot on. 😃
Facts
EXACTLY. You put my exact thoughts on the subject into words perfectly.
good point 🫡
Well then why do we not have loads of them?. It doesn’t encapsulate SO much mathematics, you are just listening to a guy who is a known liar, and you believe him hook,line and sinker.
the fact to talk about pretty much 1 topic for over 3 hours is SUCH A SKILL. Ben has so much knowledge and to say about the topic it’s unreal
He's just repeating debunked pseudo nonsense. Look into most of his claims. He's a spoofer and his sources are total quacks.
@@Leeside999 someone’s gotta do it tho, for instance let’s just say nike was the first clothing brand, doesn’t mean other people can’t sell clothes, what i’m talking bout is the fact that he can continuously talk about a topic, again for instance i’ve been playing cod for over 13+ years, but i still cannot go on talking for 3 hours about that topic with barely repeating myself
@@Leeside999 what definitive claims has he made in this area, disregarding the speculation he provides when asked or appropriate?
Considering the video is 3 hours plus it seemed to go by in a heartbeat. Thoroughly engaging on a range of topics and Ben's research is second to none imo. His full video on the vase project is definitely worth a watch too. I hope too, that the various Museums that have similar objects in their collections allow him access to scan their vases. It is only this way that the data accumulated would be accepted by those nae-sayers who don't like where Bens research and conclusions are heading. Keep up the sterling work Ben I for one admire your commitment into finding out the truth behind a lost civilisation and their true capabilities. Many many thanks!!
This is what I like to get up have my tea and spliff and watch these two guys chat ancient what ifs and could be’s
Much love from B.C. Canada
Spark it up! 🤙🏼
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One of the most intriguing and thought provoking podcasts about ancient Egypt I have ever heard. Ben is a breath of fresh air. Protect this guy at all costs!
i get provoked by him aswell, just that he can sit there and discredit the egyptians of their achievements is appalling.
The smart Chumlee...
@@totobeni because they didn't do it. I don't see how that's so difficult for people to understand. If they did, they miraculously forgot how and got many many times worse.
Egyptians absolutely did not know, understand, and implement these types of advanced mathematical equations. It's not known or implemented for many thousands of years after early Egyptians, period. Nowhere. The advanced mathematical understanding of the universe that whoever made these had doesn't remotely match up with what we know about the people of this time period.
@clintlechner4564 Exactly - so it's either a fake (which we have millions of) or from a lost civilsation (proof of which does not exist).
Its laughable
Flint Dibble v. Ben is the next debate I want to see on Joe Rogan.... Flint: :there's no evidence for an advanced civilization" Ben: "Exhibit 1, the defense rests...."
Ben is only convincing when he's the only one talking. Watch his podcast with the ancient presence channel.
When hit with counterpoints he couldn't leave the chat fast enough.
He's a spoofer who cites other spoofers.
@@Leeside999 why would he comment on something he didn't know about, or didn't know was legitimate?
@@AustinKoleCarlisle that moment showed how disingenuous he is. "Truth seeker" my ass. When he was presented with the truth he couldn't get out of there fast enough.
@@Leeside999 you were expecting him to immediately validate the claims made in an obscure, translated document before getting a chance to verify it's source?
@@Leeside999 you were expecting him to immediately validate the claims made in an obscure and translated document before getting a chance to verify the source? get real, he knew those people were trying to get a gotcha moment and rightfully walked away.
Ben is the man. I have been following all of these topics for decades and he is one of the few people able to put it all together. I commend him for his work.
..and only a small handful who actually go out to these places that I can't, and give an inside, first person view of it all, and then fantastic analysis. Awesome.
bwahahahahahah... Come on... "the man" ??? more like "the pseudoscientific poster boy" Sad... just sad.
The amount of work this guy has put in. So much appreciated.
He regurgitates other people's findings what's something new he has discovered that's been proven true?
whats wrong with that@@NzTings
so a historian? @@NzTings
is that his job?@@NzTings
@@NzTings you mean he can't speculate on anything? Also to be fair it may not be groundbreaking to you, but saying this isn't something to be talked about, or something new is odd.
As an engineer working in Cairo over 10 years I spent time in the Cairo Museum transfixed by the precision of those vases. In rickety old wooden display cabinates was the hardest stone cut with micro precision wafer thin and yet with handles on! Not only do you need the most robust of lathes but it must be a 5 axis machine to leave those handles in place. The vase is beyond difficult but the seamless handles are impossible. I spent hours looking at these things they are machine made, the pottery work along side is a homage only......not in the same league. "That there is no lack of precision between the two lug handles" yes thats the clincher......how the hell have they done this is an inconsistent material with such wall thickness and Rockwell hardness!
I did the same thing 5 years ago.i e done lots of turning and various types of material working.As soon as I saw that stuff it's clear someone had sufisticated tools,same with at the pyramids, drill ho,es cuts that look like melted shapes with persision. No doubt,why so ,ong to just accept and try to move on. Build on that obvious .Metals would have been stollen, decayed and remelted.
Ben is the perfect podcast guest. Pull the pin and three hours go by in a flash. Keep up the good work.
much faster on 1.5 , duh
3 house not enough. Neeed as 5 hrs minimum for this topic
3 hours I will never get back full of bs and not one shred of ancient computers were shown what a joke of pod cast
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Like when he was proven wrong in a video interview this year and he suddenly had to rush off 😂
I thought that was Chumlee from Pawn Stars for a sec 💀
Its his brother
It is!😂
😭😭😭😭😭im fckin crying
Since I was a child I have questioned the traditional narrative regarding Egypt. So wonderful to see someone observing the obvious.
try graham hancock
Hancock's nice to listen to/read Ben brings science to the conversation which is how we move the needle.
@@FreeSpeechXtremistto some degree and mostly what he studied were in america during the fruition of his before america book.
@@FreeSpeechXtremistno science to see here bud! Just a rambling word salad.
Like the antikithera mechanism ,it is pretty well known the ancient peoples knew Theory of computation.
As does the rhind papyrus written by Egyptians that proves they had geometry, it even has pyramids on it wow, let's see ben bring that up..... he never will
Was that machine found or built?
@@badmanskill1112 It was built over 2000 years ago and it was found in modern times. It has an wiki page with all the information.
@@cristristam9054 What I was trying to say was it for sure built back 2000 years ago or found 2000 years ago and re-found again in the ship wreck. Just as described in this podcast, much of the past is hidden.
Who knows what other information is below the miles of bookshelves under the Vatican AND what did we lose at the burning of Alexandria? I feel if we had access to those two, we'd know much more about our true history.
@badmanskill1112 it has greek writing on it, so it can't be before 8th century bce, that's when greeks starting writing, I believe it was dated to 2nd century bce
Ben is on the right track.
I love his take on alot of this stuff. He isn't afraid to explore those topics that sound way out there but reserved enough to not sound like a loon.
He is!
All he does is say things other loons have said but vaguely. “There’s these weird, really strange things…I haven’t really looked into it” he’s just a shit talker
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@@CodyTaylor115it's all speculations
To think that our past could be more fantastic than our greatest fantasy stories is truly unbelievable in the best way possible.
because it IS fantasy... nothing more.
“It feels like you’re walking around inside a machine” 🤔 First I’ve ever heard that. I love this.
Read Christopher Dunn. Ben works closely with him and his son. 'Giza Power Plant' is mind bending.
Praveen Mohan says the same thing and shares amazing in depth bits on hindu ancient architecture&so called temples. 👍🏻
I've said since I was a kid in the early 90s, looking down from above at these ancient sites. Especially the cyclopean and megalithic tech sites?
They look exactly like gigantic machine's or blueprint overlays of how to build a giant very complex machine.
Think teotihuacan which almost exactly resembles a modern printed circuit board when you compare them from overhead and side by side.
They had mercury under the buildings there, mica in the walls that came from far away in brazil, and a paved multi km long beautiful main road with perfect drainage to this day!
I wish we could unlock these mysteries
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We are slowly but surely… Generation of the past (old guard) are dying off and the newer generation are ripping the veil off.
I love this guys content.
Ben has done a alot to lay out this case. Stoked to see this today.
Thanls Ben!
UnchartedX is silly. You all should check out World Of Antiquity's numerous debunks of this guy's videos. This artifact has zero provenance. That means there is a HUGE likelihood that it's a modern forgery. There's a reason academia can't do anything with unprovenanced Egyptian artifacts because the counterfeited artifacts are such a huge problem in Egypt. There are likely more fakes floating around than actual, legitimately ancient artifacts. Local counterfeiters would specifically target western tourists and "collectors" and they flooded the market with these forgeries. So it's not insignificant that Ben obtained this vase from a western collector who can't trace the vase any further back than the 1980s and the private artifact trader who sold it to him (who would tell him exactly what he wanted to hear about it).
It's a shame certain people will not in any way engage with the data he has published.
@@jasonj4865 have you watched any of the debunks??? Check out the one done by World Of Antiquity, it engages with it for over an hour. Would you WANT to know which parts of Ben's theories are flawed???? That's actually the most important step is a desire to know if your theories are wrong or not. Ben is not one of those people.
@@jellyrollthunder3625 link it, I will watch it. I have watched hours of debunks that focus on building strawmen and completely destroying them. Perhaps I'm not looking in the right places.
@@jasonj4865 I will attempt to leave a link in the next comment, but often these alternative history channels will hide comments containing external links, but Here are a few useful pages to look into (in this order) if you'd like to know the other side of the argument: World Of Antiquity, Scientists Against Myths, Sacred Geometry Decoded, Stephan Milo, and Miniminuteman. The last guy can be a bit of a prick about things, but he's usually not wrong. The last two primarily deal with Graham Hancock, while the first 3 do a lot with the claims of "ancient precision". Could you give me an example of one of the strawmen that are being made about alternative historical assertions?
Ben makes me proud to be an Aussie! Love to be able to follow him around and listen to him, Graham and all the other guys finding these missing artifacts and trying to sort out the messages within them.
Seriously??? This guy is a PROVEN, DEBUNKED crackpot.. glad that makes you proud I guess.... complete horse hockey, and he has been debunked MANY MANY times by people that actually KNOW what they are talking about.. sad, very sad that TH-cam allows this crap without a disclaimer... none of this is scientific.. all just unsubstantiated baloney.
You should be ashamed then as Ben is a conman and full of shit.
Gotta love Ben’s work. The best way to topple all these entrenched orthodoxies, be they in archeology or pharma or whatever, is firstly by raising an army of highly engaged and competent laymen who supersede the old paradigm by sheer force of number, spreading awareness of counterfactual anomalies, making enough noise to force change within the establishment, both by convincing members of the intelligentsia to explore new avenues and by inspiring an entirely new generation of future academics. Uncharted X is doing such valuable work in this regard. 👍
You're basically saying "let the idiots rule us"
@@ansonyt3966I think you'd benefit from that system
@@ansonyt3966 No not at all. See Thomas Kuhn’s ‘Structure of Scientific Revolutions’ to understand how paradigms persist, even in the face of evidence that contradicts them, and then how paradigms eventually shift. New media presents an amazing opportunity for greater more diverse participation in these shifts. So long as the shift occurs in the direction of nearer proximity to truth, it matters not from who or where the information comes.
Agree. Paradigms change normally with a new generation.
For Egyptology this is max embarrassing.
This is such an uniformed opinion I’m sorry. We don’t need more arm chair experts. Anyone that does bjj knows that the loudest students in the class are white belts who have been training for a while. They think they’ve discovered something magic, their friends think they are a grappling master and they annoyingly have to yell out every position or submission attempt while watching UFC. This reminds me of Ben and his legion or armchair, TH-cam watching experts. They see something for the first time and for some reason don’t assume that archeologists and scientists haven’t seen what they have seen. They are same as the white belt trying to explain to the purple belt “i just cross collar choke someone if I’m under mount”. They don’t know what doesn’t work because they haven’t been doing it long enough and no one has time to make you learn all the “holes” you think you’ve discovered.
The granite vases blow my mind. The precision on a single piece of granite. Can't wait to see more CAD analysis with other vases similar to the one Ben has already detailed out.
Scientists Against Myths channel reproduces these granite vases all the time on their channel. They just use a harder stone than granite and a rotating lathe. Even as complete novices they were able to achieve incredible precision. Just think about what someone who spent their life doing this could achieve.
@@jellyrollthunder3625 No they don't. If they do, well once Ben and the engineers create a standardized methodology for scanning the precision of all these vases there will categories of the quality and precision, I am sure that channel will offer up their best attempts to be analyzed right?
@@OSYofRR "No they don't" and then you admit you haven't even looked into it, lol. Scientists Against Myths channel has already started measuring LEGITMATELY DATED predynastic stone vases from museums as well as some of their own. You should look into it, although it's probably not going to tell you what you want to hear. You can't find out what is actually possible unless you look into it. It's super easy to find
@@jellyrollthunder3625 bro that guy uses soft ass marble not even close to granite
It has handles ...... that are part of the solid structure so how does it go round & round without removing the handles .... magic!!! @@jellyrollthunder3625
When Michael Shermer disagreed with Carlson and Hancock, he demanded, "where's your evidence?" It seems to me that the stonework is the evidence, and how it was done is the arguable claim that may or may not be supported/explained by the evidence. I believe this could be called the evidence of our senses?
until we fully reproduce this stonework using the known methods of the time, people like Shermer shouldn't bring it up as a "gotcha" talking point.
@@AustinKoleCarlisleit can’t be done. Otherwise it would’ve been done a hundred years ago. What they teach is obviously not what and how it happened.
So funny, at 21:30 they’re trying to find a map of the Great Pyramid and having trouble finding a good one. All the while Ben is wearing a t-shirt that has the map on it 😂
I always liked Chumlee on Pawn Stars. Great to see his new endeavors.
Ben, the next time you are in the Kings Chamber, notice the adjacent wall near the box. You will notice that there is a block of stone in that wall that is about the same height and width of the box. You will also notice that this stone is non-weight-bearing. This stone can be removed and will give you access to the void above the Grand Gallery.
Also, speaking about underground chambers that all information about them has been kept from the public, I wish someone would do research on Harawa. A double decker labyrinth that was described by many ancient historians that we today know where it is. Information today says that the rising water table has already most likely done an inestimable damage, and yet no one explores it. A few years ago I watched a video of how this was again verified with some satellite data. Why has no one gone there to discover what is in the labyrinth?
because the people "in the know" in Egyptology are ENTIRELY aware that the Dynastic Egyptians did not build the majority of megalithic works in Egypt. anything that could potentially disrupt the fairytale is not excavated or displayed. if you want the non-politically correct answer: they have to keep the grift alive so Africa can claim they had civilization before the white man arrived.
assumptions..you dont not know that that stone does jack shit
Gonna need some magic to remove that stone in the KC without breaking it first.
"Information today says that the rising water table has already most likely done an inestimable damage, and yet no one explores it"
Ah yes - trapped underground in flooded, likely unstable corridors and rooms in a region well known to be prone to geological activity.
I wonder why anyone could possibly hesitate to explore it? 😑
It took people years to find Tutankhamun's tomb in the Valley of the Kings despite looters picking it clean for literally millennia - if any entrance is at Hawara beyond something inside the pyramid itself then it isn't going to be found easily, you could probably walk right over it if it was buried with sand and rubble as the Tut tomb entrance was.
Also the ancient historians that attested to the labyrinth did so BEFORE the Romans started taking it apart to construct other buildings - it's highly likely that they simply stripped it bare, until all that was left would be what was cut straight into the bedrock, which can be unstable at the best of times, and in a high water table region like Hawara that instability would be so much more dangerous to explore.
People want to get famous and rich, but not at the cost of drowning.
If we were a species about to go extinct or close to it, what better way is there than to make a structure so advanced and everlasting that the next civilizations could see how far we came before.
Better way to do what?
A better way to say "we were here".
Pyramids, bunkers, etc....
I could listen to Ben talk for hours and never get bored.
Ben is literally the coolest person ever!! He's seen so much and knows so much! Thanks for having him on!
Literally
Oooof, I guess the standards of the Tiktok generation are really low then.
@@johnqpublic2718 insert adverb of choice
@@mnomadvfx 😳 the discussion was about finding ancient remarkable feats and explaining them within an understandable historical context, which to this day remain inexplicable;
tiktok wasn't brought up
Ben is super cool, but no one is cooler than Pitt's Ciff Booth....I mean...cmon.
I always enjoy interviews with Ben! With that said, I think the guy from the channel "Land of Chem" has the best theory of the original purpose of the pyramids.
I'd like to hear what some of these guys think of the LOC channel, I agree 100%
Is he the methane guy?
Because the Government of countries like Egypt and China are so desperate to retain a unique origin story, we may not ever know about large parts of human history. The Egyptian government has been quietly excavating and researching these sites in secret for the past decade.
They don't want us to have the answers and technology they unravel. It's sucks. I'm sure some of the answers would cure poverty and illnesses.
What is China hiding agian?
China has SO MUCH
HAVE u ever seen 2012?
So what if that's how the last time went down?
WhT if....
Those Chinese folk have an immense amount of history WE HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT!...from what I understand there's alot the ppl of that country are kept in dark.
That said...
If the stories of myth all make sense... line up and are so similar.
Is it not pragmatic to at least ASK WHY, WHO WHAT WHEN WHERE
HOW!
That vase is magic... If a picture is worth a thousand words, that vase is an entire book.
I was fortunate enough to have met Ben at the Cosmic Summit. He’s incredibly interesting and such a great guy! So thankful for his diligence and dedication
You are very lucky Stephanie
I wish that I can go to the cosmic summit or rather had been able to go.
Discernment is becoming rare on earth. Ben absolutely has a genuine and pure intent. ❤
Ben is an absolute beast when it comes to his content! Great talk! Can't wait to see Uncharted X's next videos!
If they used what we call Cnc machines to make the vases, They needed a Cnc, they need the math and engineering of the components to make the Cnc, the factory to make the Cnc, the raw materials to make the Cnc, the machines to make the precision parts for the Cnc. A computer for the Cnc, the machines to make the Computer, they need the math and engineering of the components to make the computer, the factory to make the computer, the raw materials to make the computer, the machines to make the precision parts for the computer. Once this machine was built and its purpose fulfilled they made vases..? This technology did not happen overnight. Where are all the machines? Where are all the infrastructures? There are no traces of them.
Again, We all need to speak out and say that Egyptians did not make any of the ancient buildings and statues etc. In my opinion Zahi Hawas needs to be investigated and removed from anything to do with Egyptian archaeology. He has hampered the progress in Egyptian Archaeology. There is so much that we don't know and there is so much being held back by those making money off these artifacts and hidden locations.
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Here we go! 🎉
I ❤ these rides!
This is one of the best podcasts right now.
I'm still looking for Konkrete though, Danny Jones is (no offence) such a normal name it slips my mind.
Thanks Denise!
she is right. You are kicking it large Danny. Well done @@dannyjones
It's not bad when you got been on here and you got Randall Carlson, people that actually are trying to find the true origins of humans instead of spreading lies like the rest of society.
This and shawn Ryan are my go too for life joe rogan feels infiltrated
Fascinating info from Ben, he is such an intelligent, observant and articulate man. Thanks for this interview.
Ben is a scam artist
Less so of all those things than he thinks. If you're versed in people talking out their ass, he does use quite a few of their 'tricks' to obfuscate topics. He could be doing that deliberately or he could be doing because he's just not intelligent enough to realize his own errors.
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This is the only podcast where I'm just sitting here thinking "wtf" every time Ben brings up the precision incorporated in all the pre-dynastic creations.. The vase blew my mind, mainly because seeing the diagrams imposed the vase took me back to my first graphical drawing class in highschool about 15 years ago. I took a compass and played around with it to make what is described in this video as the "circle of life pattern", where circles intersect each-other at exact points to make what looks like a flower in a circle. I know of course I didnt create this pattern, but I would have never thought that 10,000+ years ago a vase was made out of stone with this pattern in mind.
unreal.
this absolutely confirms a earlier high technology civilization. amazing.
But it doesn’t. We will never find any “ancient lost technology” Why? Because it doesn’t exist. If you were that advanced, would you just make vases and shit out of stone? No you wouldn’t.
Zahi found 30k old UFO mummys under the Sphinx.
Source, please.
There's a UFO in the rid out of petrol ⛽
Been waiting on new stuff for ben, this will be fascinating
One thing I dont think modern people realize now a days is just how amazing the night sky must have been to people thousands of years ago. Today we know " yeah okay those are stars " but to ancient people they had no idea what those shiny things in the sky were. I can totally see humans from thousands of years ago building these massive structures to be able to understand and recognize patterns in the night sky and to try to understand it.
Where I live, we switch the lights at midnight till 4:00AM (Central Europe). The reason was savings due to UkrxRussian war, but I enjoy it very much.
If they could build this tech. They couldve left the planet. This is beyond us. We were those poeple thousands of years ago, amazed by the night sky. and that got us to the moon.
They built this as a time capsule. One that needs energy to activate those blocks. It sends the energy underground for who knows what. The floods would not have destroyed them if they built this.
im fact, The asteroid might have been on purpose.
Ancients could not build this without more time on is, by thousands of years, maybe more.
They couldve built these to rebuild the biosphere during total destrfction. and regerminate the planet. One coudlve house human dna until it was time to go back out. what ever is underground, could play a partt, could contain dna of previous lifeforms. OR it could go way deeper.
There is something far deeper here. and the fact that that guy went down there and then acted like he didnt see anything. Who knows.
@@TheMookie1590 if they could leave the planet, I dare to suggest they left traces on the Moon. Which would stay there forever. But nothing was found. I believe they weren't so sophisticated as to leave the Earth. If they were, they wouldn't be possibly defeated by the proto-Athenians.
Ohh man. Randall one week, Ben the next!? Straight slaying it over here. Please have him and Randall back soon Danny, they’re definitely onto the truth and look forward to seeing where this goes.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH.... fiction, Carlson, Hancock, Van Kook Quick, Von Daniken, Wolter.... etc.. all the same, Psuedoscientific horseshit
Just 2,500 years ago, the Hopewell Indians were still making stones tools and small carvings by hand. But yet 14,000 years ago they were doing all that, WOW‼️
Very knowledgeable and interesting. Ever since I can remember I have been interested in Egyptians and archaeology. I know in my very soul/being it has a connection to a race that isn't human. Thank you.
Agree
The vase being a golden record was what I was thinking the entire time and when you finally brought it up around 3:07:35 I almost started yelling😂 nice podcast
This.
@@Stadtpark90 I’m starting to feel like the earth is the golden record of a lost civilization. 😂With all these megalithic structures found all over the world
Hearing the measurement results on that pre-dynastic vase also implies a control and or knowledge of temperature in which to make it it to the more unbelievable being able to adjust for the temperature at time and location of making the vase. As with micrometerscale (ym, sorry dont know exactly how to create correct symbol on keyboard so replaced with y) temperature will influence measurement. As well as the force a hand exerts on the measuring tool. Though by the sound they used a 3d bench which can remove such influence of force of the measurer. I used to work with instruments measuring at such tolerances in a temperature controlled office. The measurements mentioned by mr Van Kerkwyk are in the realm of what was considered as acceptabele tolerance limits when calibrating our actual measuring tools. And out of all our tools I never learned the one that be able to measure this vase. I wasn.t allowed to touch the Mitutoyo tippoint 3d bench. These vases really tickle my imagination!
That’s exactly right, I always think about the pyramids and what the environment was like during the construction. There had to be a large amount of food and water, and housing for not only the workers but all the other “vendors “. There had to be organization, a lead men and crews that had their specialties. Restaurants, sanitation…. Hunters, meat processors, cooks, everything.
exactly - i've always wondered how the hell they ever got anything done without a spreadsheet and a gannt chart - seriously - if we ever lose our modern tech - we're screwed!!! :)
The workers settlement at giza has been found containing evidence for most of the things you mentioned.
it's their project management skills that impresses me as much as anything else !!!
@@keithmccann6601pretty sure they had literal spread sheets of paper(or alternative material obviously, not the point)
I'm glad more folks are going against the mainstream, so just maybe we can continue to dig into our history even more... so much missing and not enough debate happening to help piece it together!
100%
Do you feel the same about flat earthers going against the mainstream? Ben makes so many mistakes with the things he talks about.
@@AIenSmithee I'm in for debate... it's pretty obvious that the flat earth theory has already been debunked! Do you always let your your emotions get in the way?
@AIenSmithee the difference between you and I is that you want to silence folks that you disagree with!
@@AIenSmithee Can you outlay these mistakes?
Love Ben and his work. Thanks for the pod
Brilliant arguments for redating Egyptian historyand fascinating information, thanks for bringing us this interview.
how can you "redate Egyptian history" with completely unprovenanced artifacts that have a high likelihood of being forgeries considering that is such a MASSIVE issue with the Egyptian artifacts market? Ben just wants to date everything back to the younger dryas. He just works backwards from the same conclusion every time. That's not science
@@jellyrollthunder3625Most of these younger dryas advocates have nothing to do with Egyptian artifacts. They use pyramid erosions, constellation alignment, known building methods by humans throughout different eras of history, and what civilizations around the earth say themselves about the structures in their homelands.
@@jeremiahh.3383 I think there is a huge correlation between people claiming LAHT and the Ice Age super-civilization crowd. TONS of overlap there. Both groups use each other's arguments interchangeably without blinking an eye. When are they suggesting this civilization would have existed if not during the ice age??? Don't they need an unprecedented "cataclysm" to explain why they can't be found? Everything is almost ALWAYS being redated back to the younger-dryas. It's the premise they are always working backwards from. It's a huge part of this alternative history community. Just out of curiosity, what kind of evidence would it take to convince you otherwise? It's still pretty devastating that there is zero archaeological evidence of such an advanced pre-dynastic civilization ANYWHERE. How could their cities and infrastructure have just vanished off of the face of the earth??? Why are their artifacts ONLY ever found among the archaeological ruins of other civilizations' cities? Sure, SOMETIMES a civilization will build upon older settlements, but you'd think they must have abandoned at least a FEW different settlements here and there which no one ever went back to resettle (like all other civilizations). How come the archaeological record always seems to confirm the slow, easily traceable progression of technological advancement from civilization to civilization??? Simply using big stones to build with doesn't necessarily mean they had to be more technologically advanced to achieve it. We see technology getting increasingly SMALLER today, i.e. more PRACTICAL. Every single stone moved in antiquity could be moved using primitive methods using cap stands and rollers. This is demonstrated by the 1500-ton "thunderstone" that was moved by Russians in the 1700s using nothing but the same primitive cap stand/roller techniques available to the predynastic Egyptians. This method works so well we were still using it to move hotels and apartment buildings around cities during the 20th century. No advanced tech required. There are many videos of this being done on youtube.
As a fellow Aussie, I'm very proud of Ben. The man absolutely LOVES what he does. Good on ya mate!
I'm a big fan of Bens work, and I have just become aware of the Koncrete station. Very much enjoying today's show. The work Ben and Chris Dunne have done on precision, symetry, on incredibly hard rock is the most compelling evidence of an advanced civilization imo.
As of late, mostly because of the scan of vases video, I'm starting to think they had a completely different approach to mathematics and a culture with very different values then we have today. And a very different type of tools then we have today. Its hard to get your mind around it. I wonder if they had the type of tools capable of such precise accurate work in extremely hard rock, better then what we have today, did they have vehicles? What was the power source of these tools? And when you start thinking about computers and such advanced tools, are there satellites that would have stayed in orbit during cataclisms? There might well be none of those things because of the values of their culture. They seem to value building things that last, as those vases are common and do not have any advanced function. And the mathematics that appear to be based on a different system that included sacred geometry makes me wonder if they were much more culturally conservative when it comes to environment. I don't know, but I do find this subject fascinating as I spent much of my life just trusting academic interpretation of ancient history...and in the past ten years so much of what I learned was proven wrong...they don't admit it, they play language games and deny deny, deny. But when you look at new information on everything from DNA to the proof of much older civilisations in Turkey to when North America was populated it proves much of what I learned was wrong.
Sorry for long winded post. Didn't mean to, but its hard for me not to go on once I get started. Thanks for the excellent podcast.
I absolutely agree with what you are saying. Understanding things like this 'newly discovered' site becomes difficult because:
1. Not only do we have to interpret what was arguably something that was designed by people with a completely different understanding of the world than us.
2. Much of what we have been taught (and not taught) has been deliberately misleading.
3. We have to unlearn much of what we have been taught to even begin to understand the truth of things.
It seems very likely to me now that the principles of 'sacred geometry' played a huge role in past civilizations. I strongly suspect that this sort of knowledge (along with a great deal of other things no doubt) have been largely hidden from us because of the potential that it unlocks. Our current 'leaders/controllers' need for us to be ignorant so they can more easily maintain control over us.
I absolutely disagree. Ben hasn't done any work, nor is an archeologist, scientist, or anything of the like. You can't measure one vase and say heres proof. They couldn't even say for certain when that vase was made. It's like seeing a car for the first time that happens to be blue. You wouldn't say ALL cars must be blue would you?
@@aic5073 They're working on scanning more vases dude. Give them time.
@@aic5073 We can’t make a vase like the vases that have been recovered today, not out of stone with the degree of precision that they were made with. We barely have the technology to accurately measure the precision of these vases. One does not have to be a scientist to see what is glaringly obvious.
Yes, we can make vases just like that one using primitive tools. Search for yourself
Zahi Hawass. Imagine what that guy has in his basement? 🤣. Thank you for this. Awesome episode. Cheers. 👍💚
Let's dig his house and family tree stuff he has hidden . Even alien ufo
Bunch of dirty fukn laundry and skeletons for sure
I suspect he's not really an antagonist, he's clearly interested and is playing a long term game of mediation, this stuff would honestly cause absolute chaos if it all became apparent immediately. He's also on paper a Muslim and is managing waves in a region that is dominated by Abrahamic dogma. It's quite selfless in principle but the application may not be perfect.
We’ve come further in the last 175 years than the rest of recorded human history combined. When I think about what my great grandfather would come to see in his life time it’s awe inspiring. He would witness the invention of radio,automobiles,aircraft,air conditioning,atomic power,space exploration,computers,electric light bulbs, the electric grid, handheld devices capable of communication from anywhere to anywhere and I’m sure I’m leaving things out. Surely his lifetime of 1901-2001 would be greatest advancement of any 100 years in recorded history.
"The Code" by Carl Munck is something that everyone needs to see👍
Ben has to be a bass player for a metal band in his spare time. 😂
Love your stuff mate, keep it up.
The shackles society imbeds our minds- since birth, we cannot see another way of life, another direction, another option, or way of thinking because it was decided for us😮
Im 32 and one thing for sure is the truth will be revealed in my lifetime and it will be Ben, Graham, and Randall to let us know and probably on the JRE podcast
Not JRE. I will bet it being on this channel. JRE is no longer interested in this stuff since he got a good deal with Spotify.
@@krimsonsun10 What are you talking about? Ben went on JRE not that long ago.
I think Danny/Koncrete are doing better work presently, even if Rogan is great
Man they will tell it on here .
Hopefully before the Ananaki come back!
The vases and the boxes are connected. Our ancient ancestors were doing something with them that is beyond any comprehension we can imagine. I am eager to learn of Chris Dunn’s newest speculations on this.
The boxes and the vases share the same technology. They are of the same material. They exhibit sacred geometry. I predict we will soon learn more about the functionality of these artifacts.
You won't learn a thing from Chris Dunn. He's a notorious shill.
"The vases and the boxes are connected"
They were made at least 2,000 years apart in dramatically differing ages of Egyptian culture.
The Serapeum was mostly constructed in the mid 1st millennium BCE onwards.
The stoneware vases from the step pyramid catacombs mostly come from the 1st and 2nd dynasty periods with only a tiny handful bearing 3rd dynasty/Djoser marks to show that they were contemporary with the construction of the pyramid itself.
@@mnomadvfx “stoneware contemporary to the construction of the pyramid” You date the vases the same as the step pyramid? Because most of them were found there? Could the vases been inherited and possibly much older than the 1st, 2nd or 3rd dynasty?
And I’m not taking about the Sarapeum, I’m talking about the granite boxes inside the Sarapeum. Much older than 1st millennium BCE.
Yes they are connected by the technology used to make them.
@@mnomadvfx no they were made 2 years apart, not 2000.
Got so much respect for Ben, clever guy
Ben always has such great podcast conversations! Thank you Danny!
Thank you for watching. Glad you liked it!
@@dannyjonesDanny you are the man! You've had Randall, now Ben, next needs to be Graham!!!
He has absolutely no credibility to talk about these subjects , he’s just speaking in pothead bro science
@@vivalapalestine7235why are you here then? Just change the channel.
Great show! The ancients were clearly more clever than we've traditionally given them credit for.
We need a Kickstarter to fund a machinist willing to try with machining equipment, and unlimited tooling and materials.
I don't know if you're talking about the antikythera mechanism, but there's a brilliant TH-cam machinist (from Australia) called Clickspring who has a series of vids on recreating it. It'll blow your mind, guaranteed.
Chumlee’s career really took of after pawn stars. He’s been an inspiration for me for years.
Chumlee Dundee
Because electricity and mechanical genius power our daily chores, we have abundant abilities to dig up our past, learn and create as never before, and create hope for a safe and abundant future.
Ben Van Kerkwyk is truly exceptional! It's undeniable that the Atlanteans constructed the Great Pyramid.
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lol only one mention of Atlantis in history..
@@ktbowersbellsouth True, the name "Atlantis" was notably mentioned by Plato. Yet, many ancient cultures have tales of gods who established their civilizations and lived among them. Manly Palmer Hall proposed that these deities might have been Atlanteans. The evidence suggesting the existence of advanced ancient civilizations is compelling. Not only do we have iconic structures like the Great Pyramid, Sacred Geometry, and various megalithic monuments, but there are also symbols and practices from Freemasonry, alchemy, tales of the Holy Grail and the Philosopher's Stone, and ancient codes from the Kabbalah to the I Ching. Furthermore, the research contributions of Graham Hancock, Randall Carlson, Ben van Kerkwyk, Robert M. Schoch, and others add depth to this argument.
We have fascinating artifacts like the Antikythera mechanism and the descriptions of aerial vehicles, "Vimanas," in Indian epics. The precision of ancient observatories such as Stonehenge hints at a profound astronomical understanding. The Piri Reis map, with its unexplained details, further intrigues researchers. The construction mysteries of enormous stone edifices like Sacsayhuamán in Peru or the trilithon stones at Baalbek in Lebanon continue to spark debates. Moreover, the presence of pyramids from Egypt to Mexico raises eyebrows: is it mere coincidence that diverse civilizations across the globe all converged on the pyramid as a monumental form?
Adding fuel to the fire, Dr. Danny Natawidjaja suggests that Gunung Padang's origins might be over 20,000 years old, challenging established archaeological timelines. Meanwhile, the grandeur of Angkor Wat in Cambodia, with its astronomical alignments and meticulous artistry, stands as a testament to ancient architectural brilliance.
In the face of such evidence, dismissing the idea of advanced ancient civilizations seems short-sighted. And, to be clear, these examples merely touch the tip of the iceberg in this vast and evolving discourse.
@@ktbowersbellsouth There are many references to Atlantis by any other name from Pre-Colombian American History and most other culture's historical records.
schemer sounds like scimitar - "a short sword with a that broadens toward the point, used originally in Eastern countries." This blade being curved also coordinates with the curve cuts you witnessed. I wonder if the sword was named this way because it resembled the name for the ancient tool.
the more that comes out about ancient species to us and the changes required imo just proves god
The last segment about the vase having to be made using a computer absolutely blew my mind. He is definately on the right path. Pioneer
Ancient Apocalypse season 2 needs to have Ben showcase his work! Hopefully Graham is working on this
Yeah that was one of my favorite fictional shows, not quite up there with indiana jones but theres not a whole lot of archeology based fiction works to pick from.
@@kevinhank17Edgy comment, bro. Do you have any substance to add? You gotta up your game man.
@@coryCuc what game? I'm commenting on how I also enjoyed the program, it's fun tv with lots of nice views of archeological sites. Did you not like it?
@@kevinhank17The game. The one you're playing. Why am I having to explain YOUR game to you? Lol.
@@coryCuc maybe you need to explain because you seem to be hallucinating or living in some kind of dream world? Are you actually insane or what? Do you think we are playing checkers or something right now? What are the voices telling you to do?
Love this, keep em coming Danny!
Ben is making history with this vase research. He said it best. It is hard evidence of advanced technology in the distant past that is impossible to deny. I hope his effort will lead to some form of official recognition by the establishment. But that may take a while...
there is no way to discredit that work, and the new work coming, even more difficult!
@@X3R0D3DIt seems like, by normal scientific standards, there's holes in it you could drive a bus through, but I suppose everyone's got to start somewhere.
@@wizwhat8186 oh what let me guess, the vase is fake? lets hear an example of the obvious evidence to discredit this science.
Do you have anything to offer besides cognitive dissonance and impotent rage?
@@wizwhat8186 no there literally is not. you can't make a statement with zero evidence and expect to be taken seriously.
@@wizwhat8186 i studied science in university, i would love to hear what you think is unscientific about this.
The slab that he is referring to at 1hr 17min 25sec , that could have been the bed that the blocks sat on as they were getting cut. Almost like how we cut tiles on a wet saw, the blade is stationary and the bed slides on rails. Especially since its schist or something similar it would be higher on the mohs scale.
@2:34 They could be Emu depicted in the artwork, they did have contact with the Aboriginals of Australia. Boomerangs and other Aboriginal artifacts have been found, mabe trading or gifts.
Thank you for having him on again, best guest by far. Super intelligent guy.
I hope that in my afterlife, if there is one, I'll get the truth about all these mysteries of the world we've been trying to figure out.
didn't you know the truth is presented by World of Antiquity? lol
The next few years might be the most exciting in human history. That we know of. So many truths are coming out. I can’t wait.
but ZERO of these pseudoscientific fantasy writers are anywhere NEAR accurate. Watch the debunking lessons... these guys (Van Kerquick, Carlson, Hancock, Wolter, Van Daniken, etc) are a SCOURGE on reputable researchers everywhere... ALL their crackpot horseshit needs BS disclaimers, just like Flat Earth and Young Earthers, this is all 100% debunked horse hockey... Pitiful and sad, unscientific baloney... please watch and learn from REPUTABLE researchers... these fools make me so angry...
I love your interviews, especially the ones with Ben and Randall. I appreciate the content.
You should really use more credible titles with people doing fringe yet good work like those two. I think it makes people have pre conceived notions about things that are far more credible than the titles make it seem. I noticed Randall got killed in the comments on your last podcast even though what he was talking about was entirely scientific.
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Well...this is probably by design on the side of the opposition.
I'm convinced that there are hordes of paid off accounts, bots, as well as regular people manipulated into totally trashing Randall, and anyone who pops their head up and dares to defy the petroleum and green energy industry.
Yes, I think better less sensational titles would be good for luring fence-sitters and the curious... but I was surprised at how such a high majority of the critical comments and out-right attacks of Randall's appearance on the podcast would have been addressed had the person in question watched the interview for longer than 10 minutes.
Whenever I see that degree of blatant ignorance, or vocal declaration of things that simply weren't true in regards to the interview....I go from feeling surprised to feeling suspicious.
Scientific?? 🤣🤣 I think you don't even know the meaning of that word. Those two are charlatan pseudoscientists.
Randall is an intellectual light of our times, an absolute wealth of knowledge. Such people always are maligned by small minded and mean people. Randall appreciates constructive critisicm, because he is committed to learning the truth of whatever he researches. Anything else is bullying or a witch hunt.
Great podcast ,,my grandfather told me when he was in egypt a guide took him and some of his fellow gordon highlanders into the tunnels under the Sphinx and they went to a door that they couldent open he said there were hyrogliphs that the guide deciphered that showed the timelines of major wars past present and future hundreds of lines carved in stone towards the last 20 wars he was shown a 2 inch line and told by the guide that that line was the war they in at the time the second world war and at the end of the glyph there was a long line carved in stone and he asked the guide what the long line was and the guide said it was one of two things it was either the war to end all wars or a thousand years of peace he also said that they could shine there lights into the room through the cracks in the edges of the huge door and he said it sparkled with gold and many treasures were inside he saw gold model planes on stands that he said looked like modern planes that we had today and he was so amazed that they had model planes in that room thousands of years before they were even invented by modern man he also said there were many books and he told me he thinks he had seen the chamber where the hall of records were kept he was in his seventies when he told me and at the time he said that discovery would be long gone by now and he was pissed off that it never made the news and being a millitary man was sworn to secrecy for 70 years and couldent speak about it ,,i believe he was telling me the truth and those artifacts were recovered by the brittish millitary shortly after they occupied egypt believe it or not but i feel privileged to have been told that story as growing up i heard many war stories from his missions but he never told me that till later in life just thought id share the story here for the first time as people watching this podcast might find it relevant
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Bull fucking shit
Y'know, it seems like, I've heard that story about the lines that predict wars somewhere before, I can't remember where... so either your grandfather copied it from somewhere else, or he was telling the truth.
It's probably true. They won't even acknowledge non-gov funded researchers about the Shinex. It's all a game to them. And as of the Brits clearing house under the Shinex, it's most likely true because if you have a hold on the country you can do w.e you want. Some say it's the same reasons we started wars with the Middle East, Try and steal as much ancient artifacts so they can re-write history that fits what they're trying to push. Inglorious Bastards was real, and the Iraq's have said and Historians and archaeologists said that Museums were raided and things were taken and some were destroyed at the beginning of the 2nd invasion and for a few years from lik 03'-05'
What did Hitler do?... He was burning books and everything that had value and was stealing paintings, statues, ect.
It's either war, or peace, we are not sure.
I find this incredibly fascinating can’t wait for more content like this
Another truly great podcast Danny, you are smashing it.
Thanks for all your hard work.
What with Randall’s plasma and Ben’s precision you are helping make (change) global history 🙌
Why is everyone not amazed by this as we are?! 😳😂 it’s just mad!!! Should be all over the news this. It’s like the “prime radiant” in foundation, just FULL of information everywhere you look at it. Someone wanted someone like Ben to find it and decode it. AND…just hidden in a little pot the way it is?! Everything about it is blowing my mind man! 😂 all the books burning over the years since it was “made” and different religions taking over and floods… the thing was made to just sit there and wait for someone to notice it one day in the future!!! 😮 I can see what he meant when he said his mate rang him saying it’s keeping him up at night 🤦🏻♂️ kept me up last night thinking lol
It seems like, not having it "all over the news" until it's backed up by more evidence is the right call, as boring as it is (not that journalists don't often report things that aren't ready as "the latest scientific breakthrough" only for it to be disproved the next week, but this time it seems they jumped the right way).
It seems like, until they've addressed the questions of (a) whether this vase is genuine/whether other vases show the same results and (b) whether this really is too accurate to have been produced without high technology, this is nothing but an interesting preliminary result to be tested further - if they *can* address those questions successfully, though, it becomes startling.
Bless the gods for Danny, Joe and Julian. ❤
Not Ben..??? Boooo
Its amazing that the pyramids are in fact bongs utilized by sasquatch to contact space.
its true
whadiyoutakinbeet?
I'd take a hit of that
The scoop marks on the unfinished obelisk look like a cut from a high pressure water jet with abrasive.
I could listen to this conversation all day.
It’s all bollocks
Hi Ben
Keep up your great work. Really appreciate all your amazing work. We need people like you .
I was a Mason for 8 years and worked mostly granite and bluestone for walls and patios etc...A diamond edge chop saw will go thru about 60 linear ft of 2" slabs before it wears out. However they did those cuts is wayyyyyy ahead of where we are now.
Copper saw used with abrasives like quartz sand and corundum.
@Leeside999 I wonder how these blades were propelled. Simple man power couldn't do that without some form of power be it some steam punk type shit with water or steam or air. Very interesting
@@ajgambs44 It can be done, and has been done using only man power. Plenty of videos here on yt showing it being done. It's slow work. The ancient Egyptians referred to granite/diorite as "costly stone" for this reason.
@@Leeside999 yes and modern attempts do not result in the same striations that we see with these ancient artifacts.
@@AustinKoleCarlisle They absolutely do. I've seen plenty of examples where they compare modern and ancient striations and they are identical. I know UnchartedX likes to say they are totally different, but he has to, as sawing and tube drills are one of his main "smoking gun" claims. Why doesn't he do a video and compare the modern and ancient striations and point out the difference? All he does is say there is no comparison.
My contention is that the intermidary sites like Gobekli Tepi were calendars needed by the early settlers based on the only moving, studied and repetative world above them--the night sky. Earlier civilizations probably grew their cultural knowledge beyond ours based on the sacred geometric relationships of the universe fully understanding their end of days. Van Kerkwyk and Carlson will and should become historical names for the centuries ahead. The science of our world over the past several centuries has run tangent to the true reality in the universe.
Thank you Danny for having Ben back on! This stuff is FASCINATING!!! Ben thank you for researching and sharing your knowledge with the world! At some point... the entire history of our world (and everything we thought we KNEW) is going to change (again)... Regarding the pyramids, anyone know a billionaire who could throw a few million at the Egyptian government to get some access and real answers?? 😃
This is brilliant. Could it be that the flood caused tools and equipment etc to be buried under hundreds of tonnes of earth? Thanks for the upload ❤️
I don't think those boxes are actually cut out of a single chunk of granite. I think they just did a really good job of making it look like that. If everything you know tells you that a feat is impossible, listen to that. It's probably right. It's like going to a magic show. Never let the magician trick you into thinking the most impossible part is being done for real.
Sumerian tablets make mention of the fact the boxes were crafted from various crystals. The boxes held the M.I ! (I think it says)
Out of curiosity, does anyone know Ben's thoughts on Geoffrey Drums (The Land of Chem) theory about the pyramids being chemical manufacturing facilities?
I will ask
Ben is really awesome. I'm so glad there was a round two of this. Haven't quite finished listening to it and might need a second listen too....
No ben is not awesome he has had plenty of thrown in his face and will not change he blocks censors and hides, he does exactly what he says archeologist do, go watch ancient presence podcast with him when they pull up proof ben tucks his tail shutters in words and can't run away fast enough it's quite a funny thing to see, I talked with ancient presence and they said ben won't talk to them anymore lol hmmmmm I wonder why