One thing I forgot to add in the video! If we're being asked by James Gunn himself to "ignore" the appearance of the Justice League in Peacemaker season one, the canon issue of fitting The Batman into the DCU shouldn't be a problem lmao! Gunn considers the events of The Flash to be the official, in universe, resetting of the DCU. It was essentially a crisis. Technically, since The Batman came out a year before The Flash, it stands to reason that the resetting didn't only affect the DCEU but the Reevseverse! Eitherway, excited to see what happens with the DCU. The finale to Creature Commandos was great.
I always kinda hated the inconsistencies in what Gunn said and what we saw in The Flash. In his words like you said, it’s the restart, but it’s not actually restarted, ezra was there, momoa too, the only thing that was changed and not even reseted was George Clooney. WB upper management, therefore Gunn too, asked the ending to be changed so it wouldn’t tease a future, but it still did. We got a post credit scene too, something Sony removed in their new movies to indicate they’re not planning on continuing. We also got a cliffhanger ending with George Clooney. The DCEU still exists.
I can imagine Robert playing Ironman no problem. Please MCU take him away. Pattinson can not be the Batman in the DCU. No more skinny, weakly looking Batman. That is not who the Batman in the comics is. Affleck was the first and only Batman that was the Batman in the comics. The new one there is only one logical choice. Alan Ritchson period. Big and intimidating. Pattinson couldn't intimidated a 4 year old in a haunted house on halloween. I know if I was a bad guy and saw a Pattinson Batman in a dark alley, I would first laugh my ass off and secondly, ask him, "Whatcha gonna do little man?" Same situation with a Ritchson Batman first off I wouldn't be laughing and secondly, I wouldn't be asking him any questions. We need the Batman from the comics which is at least 6'2" and 220lbs +. We need one that when standing next to a woman is taller and has bigger shoulders. A Bruce Wayne that looks like that also. In other words, a Batman who makes the batsuit look big instead of the batsuit making him look big. Please MCU, take Pattinson for your Ironman. He would be perfect.
@@t74guard78wonder woman should be taller than batman (and superman, but that probably wont happen because david is so tall) i personally dont care how big batman is aslong as its a good actor who can play the role.
@@t74guard78 but I do agree Ritchson as Batman would be great, but I see no problem with Pattison as an elseworld Batman. And the intimidation starts kicking in when he's beaten up ten criminals at once
Matt reeves Batman and Gotham contrast so well with James gunn’s Superman and metropolis just like they do in the comics. Matt reeves has this rich fleshed out world of Gotham and a good fleshed out Batman. If they end up going with another version of Batman they have to be confident that the casting, performance, story, and Gotham are gonna be loved with audiences because if not it will really damage the image of the DCU especially when they already have a great version of Batman that’s loved by audiences but that’s not connected to the DCU. It will cause huge rivalry within DC about “no this is my Batman” “no your Batman sucks”
I hope they dont bring matt reeves batman into DCU, Not everyone likes the whole Cinematic universe or comic book like approach. What Matt reeves offers is the crime saga while yes its still based on a comic book character the tone and set up of the universe feels different compared to your typical comic book movie. NOt everything needs to be connected and not everyone will be a fan of it. Matt reeves having his own take on the characters gives DC a double strategy. One the appeals to normal movie goers who may like the character but not exactly the comic book style stories and the one that appeals to the traditional comic accurate versions of them. We already have a huge rivalry with the snyder cults this wont be any different its very inevitable. SO just let matt reeves batman and his crim saga elseworlds approach stick to their own and let james gunn cook with his own universe. Having 2 different Batmen that appeal to different genres would be goated let’s be honest with ourselves.
@@jmgonzales7701 I agree with you. I also don’t know why everyone seems to be afraid of having different Batmans happening at the same time. I don’t wanna see a Batman that meets gunns superman be grounded in realism. Reeves already made a lot of choices that don’t sit well with the rest of gunns dcu.
@Smiggwardtentacles exactly and thats not bad at all. Infact even if battinson becomes a little bit more fantastical i still dont want it with gunn. Let it have 2 separate universes. Audience will pick and choose what they want anyways.
The issue is that the new DCU has a long history of metahumans and supernatural elements being relatively well known throughout the world, way before Clark debuts as Superman
also clark debuts as superman well before the superman movie takes place, in newspapers on the set you can see articles about him written as far back as 2021, so he'd have debuted around 2020 (which is the same time batman debuts in the matt reeves universe)
Guess what? Gotham doesn't exactly have other heroes intervening in the comics anyways. The dcu being fantastical means absolutely nothing. This ain't the mcu where every show and movie has the same tone. The batman could easily be in the dcu, with the same tone and writing
@ not really, it kinda clashes with what CC sets up. Was phosphorus running the Gotham crime scene before or after Falcone’s empire? It def can’t be during. Gotham didn’t look damaged from the flood either
@Cloudy_Games_99 you could semi retcon the batman and say it takes place in the mid 2010s. The batman part 2 is literally coming out in 2027 so by the time battinson would make it to a team up film, he would already be 40. They could easily say that the batman trilogy is just the super early part of his career(which is when batman is the most grounded) and then later say that crime evolved or something. It's doable
@@olofacosta3192 earliest the batman could've taken place would be late 2019, but after the movie's release they decided to firmly establish that it takes place in 2022. can't be retconned now since they show those 2022 dates for everything on screen in the penguin show
Great video! I really never gave more than a minute's thought to this discussion because I'm so into The Batman universe... But having it be set before most of the DCU events and having an older Pattinson be the DCU Batman could be REALLY fun
@StraightEdgeKnight19 not end of story. It's still a completely valid thing for fans to want. And none of the creators seem completely apposed. Don't be surprised if it happens.
Matt reeves just did an interview at the golden globes and they asked him about “the Batman joining the DCU” his answer definitely sounds like there’s lots of discussions behind the scenes about this possibility. I think they are waiting for James Gunn’s Superman to come out and if it’s successful with audiences then I think they’ll fold in “The Batman” into the DCU.
God I hope not. Please God don't let that happen. NO MORE UNDERSIZED AND WEAK BATMAN PLEASE. We need a new Batman and one that looks like how Batman is suppose to look. Big and intimidating. If I were a bad guy and saw the Pattinson Batman in a dark alley, I would laugh my ass off at him. He couldn't intimidate a 4 year old in a haunted house on halloween. WB has got it right only once in 6 tries. That is a .166 batting average which sucks. Only Affleck made me finally see a true Batman up on the big screen. Now there is only one logical choice. Alan Ritchson. No Pattinson in the DCU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@t74guard78 what are you on about? Robert Pattinson is just as big if not bigger than Michael Keaton and Christian bale which have been the best live action Versions of Batman. I honestly think he’s joining the DCU and they are still going to make brave and the bold but it’s going to be an Elyse world movie so I think they are reversing the roles
@@ItNotOkAnymore I made it clear what I am on about. Yes he is bigger than Keaton and Bale and they are not the best versions of Batman. Keaton is one of my favorite actors and he had the best batsuit and batmobile but was way to small. The way Bale looked in his last batsuit was ridiculous. He looked like a pencil neck and Batman is no pencil neck. I didn't say Keaton and Bale was bigger than Pattinson. I said all of them except Affleck were all to small to play Batman. Your obviously a movie Batman fan and not a true comic book Batman fan. The real Batman, as far as comic book characters can be, is big and scary and intimidating. None of the actors who have played Batman are big and scary and intimidating except Affleck. I just want whoever plays Batman to look like he does in the comics. Affleck is the only one that did that. None of the actors except Affleck could man handle the bad guys like Affleck did in the warehouse fight in B v S. That was the first time I felt like I was watching the real Batman in live action. I have been a Batman fan and been reading the comics for over 50 years. I know who Batman is suppose to be. Those who only know Batman from the movies have no idea who he is suppose to be. If Batman was the size of Keaton, Kilmer, Cloony, Bale or Pattinson, he wouldn't last a couple of nights in the streets of Gotham City. They are to small and wouldn't have the durability a Affleck Batman has. That is one of the reasons he is big in the comics. 170lbs Batman would get eaten alive by the criminals of Gotham City. I know we are talking about a fictional character but it just isn't realistic. Batman doesn't need to be reversed. He needs to be the Batman in the comics. Why change who he is? People love him because of who he is and that just isn't small and weak. I stated it a couple times. If Keaton, Kilmer, Cloony, Bale or Pattinson were in the shot at the end of JL standing next to Superman and Aquaman and even Wonder Woman, it would look terrible. Batman would look weak and pathetic next to those characters. Is the Hulk or Thor or Superman or Aquaman small, thin actors in the movies? No they aren't because they are not in the comics. The actors chosen for every comic book character in the movies have been as close as they can get to the comics except Batman. Only Affleck looked the way Batman should. If you don't look the part, you can't be the part. WB has done a really good job casting actors and actresses to play the villians with the exception of Tom Hardy playing Bane. Hardy is a great actor but Bane is 6'7" and weighs 350lbs. Hardy isn't even close to that. It wouldn't surprise me if WB makes the huge mistake of putting Pattinson Batman in the DCU. They have fucked up most of the things involving Batman movies. They are only 1 for 6 in casting for who plays Batman. That sucks so it wouldn't surprise me if they fuck up once again by doing that. We need an actor playing Batman that looks like Batman should. That can man handle the bad guys like Affleck did and not look pathetic standing next to Superman and Aquaman or even Wonder Woman. As I said before, we need someone who makes the batsuit look big not someone who looks kind of big because of the batsuit. I am just praying WB will get it right this time and leave Pattinsons Batman where it belongs, out of the DCU. Ritchson is the only logical choice. He will truly bring the comic book Batman to live action. Besides, if WB fucks up again, then the Brave and Bold Batman won't be made and we are stuck with Pattinson Batman who isn't going to bring in Robin anytime soon. Which is another of the WB fuck ups. Robin is just as much a part if not bigger than the batcave, batmobile and even Alfred. He has always been there. The Brave and the Bold is bringing in Robin even though they skipped the first 3 which Dick and Tim were the best Robins. They are bringing in Nightwing who should have already been included if not having his own movie. The only time they brought in Robin they made him out to be a whinny little bitch and that is not who Dick Grayson is. HE is a better character than Bruce Wayne is. That is all the explaining I need to do. I have had this argument with a couple other people and it is a waste of time cause they are only movie Batman fans and have no idea who Batman is suppose to be. Reverse the roles clearly shows me that you have no idea who Batman is suppose to be. HE DOESN'T NEED TO BE FUCKING REVERSED. BATMAN IS NOT 170LBS. BATMAN IS SUPPOSE TO BE BIG AND SCARY AND INTIMIDATING. Pattinson is none of those things so he is not Batman. He wouldn't last a couple of nights in the streets of Gotham City. Not if it is done realistically or as realistic as they can with a comic book character. We are done here. NO need to reply. I have no patience left with movie Batman fans.
@@t74guard78Not reading all that, Affleck kills people. Thats enough for me to rule him out as the best. Fundamental misunderstanding of the character
I dont think an idea of two Batmen at the same time is too crazy. This isn't a Sony/Marvel situation where it's two studios are trying to use the same character in their own cinematic universe. Its easy enough to understand these characters are inherently different especially since the DCU's Batman would be around 31-40 and Battinson is in his late-20s realistically. Not only that but DCU's Batman just needs a different suit, fantastical villains, and more fantastical atmosphere and BOOM! easy to distinguish.
Initially I was one of the few who wanted reeves Batman in the universe. Then I accepted it wasn’t happening and got excited for a different Batman. Now we are back to the former, but you know, I’m not sure what I want anymore
Pattison and Corenswet look like brothers reminds me of the animated shows where Batman and Superman would switch suits. It would be the worlds finest ball drop if it doesn’t happen
There are plusses and minuses for sure. My issue is that while I could imagine a slight time jump and then introduce Damien, I don’t think it allows for the extended bat family to exist. I want Dick, Barbara, and at least one other Robin to exist before Damien rolls up.
@jimkettner8363 The planned "The Brave And The Bold" movie(I *really* hope that they come up with a more suitable title, like "Batman And Son") could be established as taking place many years after the handful of years that the early DC Gunnverse(I refuse to call it "the DC Universe" as that's too non-specific of a name for it) take place during and 20-something years after Bruce started his crimefighting career. James Gunn is supposedly planning to do a whole "jumping around to different points in the timeline" thing with the DC Gunnverse franchise.
The only good thing to come of Robert Pattison joining the DCU other than freed up slots in the lineup and more projects added, is Batman, Dick Grayson and Superman teaming up
if The Batman 1/2 and The Penguin all take place around late 2022 (Batman 2 confirmed to take place right after Penguin and will be in the winter) it could work chronologically if Creature Commandos and Superman take place in 2024/2025. Also Superman could have made his first public appearance in 2023 two years before his movie takes place, hence why he was never mentioned at all in The Batman
also ignoring the design of Batman’s silhouette in Creature Commandos episode 6, could easily be changed and only be like that because of the art style, him catching someone like Dr Phosphorus could have happened in 2023 or 2024, after Batman 2
@@godzillafan1202 There isn't even an issue with Batman's cameo appearance in that 'Creature Commandos' episode, as Batman can have Batsuits with different looks.
I completely, 100% agree. I say they do it. It makes sense, it's how the comics work. And these two actors would be amazing on screen together. Seeing pattinsons batman fully grow, and mature into the batman we know in the justice league in the comics, would be fucking amazing.
Personally I don't like it. I don't see any issue with having two Batman. If you just want Patinson's Batman in this universe, I have no problem with that argument. But saying it would be too confussing...? If they state that there are two different Batman that don't share the same cinematic universe, people WILL UNDERSTAND what's going on. You're not giving people enough credit, movie viewers are not stupid. Specially after all the multiverse movies we've had. With X-Men, Spider-Man, Doctor Strange, Flashpoint, Deadpool we've seen multiple iterations of different characters, with and without shareing universes. We had two Flashes existing at the same time in different media, even two Superman and that happend twice, once with Brandon Routh and Tom Welling, and just now with Henry Cavill and Tyler Hoechlin. It's probably a lot easier for the studio to just have one Batman, but saying it would be too confussing is just not a compeling argument. ALSO, since when do we not want more Batman stories, we'd get double the Batman content
I personally think it'll overcomplicate things. Such as "who has the better version of the Pengiun", or "What if The Batman universe uses Mr. Freeze, then the DCU Batman wants to use him. Are we really gonna get back to back Mr. Freezes?" I see the ups and downs for both sides but in the end I think they should merge. Batman and Gotham have always contrasted with the rest of the DC universe so the Matt Reeves Batman films being "too dark" isn't even an issue. The movies should all have differne tones. But if Matt doesn't wanna do it then I hope they respect his wishes.
Merge them. Gunn came with some non-negotiable conditions. Harley Quinn (Margot Robbie) from suicide squad is DCU canon. Bring her into the Arkham Series (Matt Reeves) as a Psychiatrist and do her storyline right. Gunn will bring us Dave Bautista as Bane. We already have the green adrenaline from the first movie. A non goofy fantastical Mr.Freeze for Pattison's batman would be great. We have Scarecrow from The Penguin. Can you imagine an actual unstoppable zombie Talon nemesis? Fantastical elements are a great a tool for Matt Reeves and he should lean into the tone of the Arkham series that balances both perfectly.
hope they dont bring matt reeves batman into DCU, Not everyone likes the whole Cinematic universe or comic book like approach. What Matt reeves offers is the crime saga while yes its still based on a comic book character the tone and set up of the universe feels different compared to your typical comic book movie. NOt everything needs to be connected and not everyone will be a fan of it. Matt reeves having his own take on the characters gives DC a double strategy. One the appeals to normal movie goers who may like the character but not exactly the comic book style stories and the one that appeals to the traditional comic accurate versions of them. We already have a huge rivalry with the snyder cults this wont be any different its very inevitable. SO just let matt reeves batman and his crim saga elseworlds approach stick to their own and let james gunn cook with his own universe.
Yes. Finally someone else beought this up but the batman is a perfect prequel to the dcu. Robert Pattinson gave me comicbook barman vibes same as its comicbooky gotham and year one is just as grounded while also being part of the dcu. Robert pattinson and david corenswet would be the ideal world's finest
hope they dont bring matt reeves batman into DCU, Not everyone likes the whole Cinematic universe or comic book like approach. What Matt reeves offers is the crime saga while yes its still based on a comic book character the tone and set up of the universe feels different compared to your typical comic book movie. NOt everything needs to be connected and not everyone will be a fan of it. Matt reeves having his own take on the characters gives DC a double strategy. One the appeals to normal movie goers who may like the character but not exactly the comic book style stories and the one that appeals to the traditional comic accurate versions of them. We already have a huge rivalry with the snyder cults this wont be any different its very inevitable. SO just let matt reeves batman and his crim saga elseworlds approach stick to their own and let james gunn cook with his own universe.
@@omaridaniels8427most general people didn’t even know or remember he was in the movie tbh. The deleted scene that didn’t make the cut actually showed us what this joker looks like and that’s only on TH-cam
I agree! It's grown on me more and more. Largely because, I don't want yet another Ben Affleck coexisting with Pattinson (and also Keaton) thing happening. I don't want a new DCU Batman to be done with creative choices just to avoid similarities to Pattinson... Like you, I also don't think The Batman is nearly as "grounded" as people say. In fact - the arc of The Batman with Bruce adapting to being a hopeful figure, is identical to the arc he has early on in New Frontier, the Justice League blueprint that it seems like James Gunn is using.
I personally agree with you on how we can realistically merge Battinson into the main DCU. Aside from disliking solo Batman universes, I did notice some fantastical elements in The Batman, including Batman flying in the air when surviving an explosion and even gliding. Plus, seeing an experienced Batman teaming up with Super Corenswet would feel a little out of place considering their age differences. I also want to point out, since you mentioned how the first Iron Man movie was grounded before becoming more fantastical, Daredevil did start off as a Street-Level character in the Netflix Series before appearing in MCU projects like Spider-Man: No Way Home. With that in mind, DC, James Gunn, and Matt Reeves should take notes from MCU Daredevil on how they can properly integrate Battinson into the main DCU.
hope they dont bring matt reeves batman into DCU, Not everyone likes the whole Cinematic universe or comic book like approach. What Matt reeves offers is the crime saga while yes its still based on a comic book character the tone and set up of the universe feels different compared to your typical comic book movie. NOt everything needs to be connected and not everyone will be a fan of it. Matt reeves having his own take on the characters gives DC a double strategy. One the appeals to normal movie goers who may like the character but not exactly the comic book style stories and the one that appeals to the traditional comic accurate versions of them. We already have a huge rivalry with the snyder cults this wont be any different its very inevitable. SO just let matt reeves batman and his crim saga elseworlds approach stick to their own and let james gunn cook with his own universe. Matt reeves can have the Gothic and low fantasy vibes in his universe
Damn dude. Making the batman epic crime saga a prequel to the brave and the bold is just brilliant. The Batman part 3 can end with bruce truly becoming a perfect version of the character through the development in the first 3 movies and the brave and the bold can time jump to a moment when he is old enough to be damian. That’s just the best way. Also side note, even if The Batman never becomes dcu I would really hate it to remain grounded…. Like grounded Batman should have been a one and done thing. It’s not true Batman duh.
hope they dont bring matt reeves batman into DCU, Not everyone likes the whole Cinematic universe or comic book like approach. What Matt reeves offers is the crime saga while yes its still based on a comic book character the tone and set up of the universe feels different compared to your typical comic book movie. NOt everything needs to be connected and not everyone will be a fan of it. Matt reeves having his own take on the characters gives DC a double strategy. One the appeals to normal movie goers who may like the character but not exactly the comic book style stories and the one that appeals to the traditional comic accurate versions of them. We already have a huge rivalry with the snyder cults this wont be any different its very inevitable. SO just let matt reeves batman and his crim saga elseworlds approach stick to their own and let james gunn cook with his own universe. Matt reeves can have the Gothic and low fantasy vibes in his universe As for the grounded batman take and "its not true batman" while it is indeed not true batman to the comics. the character has evolved and the movies are its own thing which may have different appeals to different kinds of people. The grounded batman can appeal to non comic book fans because there are a lot who like the character but does not like the comic bookyness story. In short this gives DC a double strategy, one for comic book fans and one for grounded and different genre fans.
hope they dont bring matt reeves batman into DCU, Not everyone likes the whole Cinematic universe or comic book like approach. What Matt reeves offers is the crime saga while yes its still based on a comic book character the tone and set up of the universe feels different compared to your typical comic book movie. NOt everything needs to be connected and not everyone will be a fan of it. Matt reeves having his own take on the characters gives DC a double strategy. One the appeals to normal movie goers who may like the character but not exactly the comic book style stories and the one that appeals to the traditional comic accurate versions of them. We already have a huge rivalry with the snyder cults this wont be any different its very inevitable. SO just let matt reeves batman and his crim saga elseworlds approach stick to their own and let james gunn cook with his own universe.
@@jmgonzales7701 Exactly. I don't ususally feel this strongly about something like this, but I will genuinely be angry if we're robbed of a comic accurate Batman in the DCU. The "contrast" that people keep talking about can still be achieved with a comic accurate adaptation of the character.
Great video. One thing of note: A Bit of Everything made a video that showed proof that The Batman takes place in 2019. When you add up what day and date that Patterson says at the start as well as the eviction date on Catwoman's letter. So that puts it at 6 years before Superman so it would fit fine there. I can't remember where I heard but I swear it's been rumoured that TB Part 2 will take place like two months after he first film so it should be able to contain itself and still fit. Also, I never understand why people say it's too grounded. The Penguin survives a car getting flipped like three times, no broken bones or owt.
I consider Superman Returns to be set in the same universe as The Dark Knight Trilogy. It actually works if you watch Batman Begins > Superman Returns > TDK > TDKR. There are subtle references Metropolis in TDK and Superman Returns references Gotham City. It works!
@@overlord6993 Eh that's highly debatable. The dates in the film set it in 2006. The Donner films are clearly set in the 70s/80s. Also, the cast is entirely different, so I'd say it's more of an homage than a sequel.
You convinced me now I wanna see it I was okay with the Batman being else world but I just couldn’t pass on a justice league worlds finest team up movie being the beginning of the DC mashups sold on that idea now can’t lie I keep thinking how awesome it’d be with these great of actors being cast in these new dc movies
I get why it seem confusing but that the thing about there being two is perfect with Dc multiversal structure honestly you call your self a fan but yet you contradict yourself complaining and being confused...Because while most Non dc fan are just ignorant I find it hard to believe that you have a hard understanding that yes there two different Batman on the big screen..IT CALLED ALTERNATIVE VERSION!!!!!!!!!!! like it literally not that hard to understand bro I'm just being honest...
hope they dont bring matt reeves batman into DCU, Not everyone likes the whole Cinematic universe or comic book like approach. What Matt reeves offers is the crime saga while yes its still based on a comic book character the tone and set up of the universe feels different compared to your typical comic book movie. NOt everything needs to be connected and not everyone will be a fan of it. Matt reeves having his own take on the characters gives DC a double strategy. One the appeals to normal movie goers who may like the character but not exactly the comic book style stories and the one that appeals to the traditional comic accurate versions of them. We already have a huge rivalry with the snyder cults this wont be any different its very inevitable. SO just let matt reeves batman and his crim saga elseworlds approach stick to their own and let james gunn cook with his own universe. Matt reeves can have the Gothic and low fantasy vibes in his universe. Let it be messy, people can choose what they want to watch, seriously people need to learn to stop being consumers and always finding the need to watch everything. If there would be 2 movie universes they can only choose 1 to follow. Its the beauty of elseworlds you give the consumer an option. I see some of these comments saying grounded batman is not the true batman... well duhh... Its a different take on the character, an alternative to his more comic book version. Its appealing to a different demographic. AND its fine, its not for everyone its about preference. Groundedness is an art, realism is an art form and it is also entertainment. Hence why i don't support battinson being integrated to the DCU of james Gunn it robs people of options. IM pretty sure Gunn can think of something for his own version of batman. As for reeves let his universe remain grounded and at most low fantasy compared to the rubber ducky land of DCU.
Good news bro! Your video is still relevant. Matt Reeves recently in an interview has hinted that he is open to sharing Robert Pattinson's Batman with the DCU if "it is done in a way that feels right".
No he didn't, you just interpreted it that way. Seeing that we've already had a look at the dcu batman and he looks nothing like the batman it makes it even more cemented that batman the brave and the bold will be played by a new actor.
Pattinson’s Batman is meant to be grounded and realistic. It has to stay in its own universe. If it merges with the DCU it’s going to make the first film and The Penguin meaningless. Sidenote: Just cause Batman didn’t get injured when his wingsuit got caught doesn’t mean it’s fantastical.
How? I'm sick of this grounded take. Green arrow and iron man were grounded solo projects that worked well in a shared universe. When done right it will work.
@@MuthukrishnanBellie: "How?" Bro, they changed Penguin's name because it was too unrealistic and got on record saying he won't use most of the fantastical villains because they are too outlandish to his world. But yeah, I guess the alien guy who flies because he does photosynthesis is grounded enough. Bruce will have four robins and lose one in one film's worth of time to get to Damian in "The Brave and the Bold." It's going to be great!
The most realistic thing would be just having him show up and just go with it. It's Batman not like anyone can have any validcomplaints of Batman being in a DC universe. Character is so popular and flexible anyone's complaints can be shrugged off in very condescending and passive aggressive ways (which I 100% will be doing. My favorite being "oh was right because Batman the Animated Series was ruined by the rest of the DCAU [eye roll]")
Just say Gotham is a less evolved City because of the corruption. The city is corporately stuck in the year the Wayne’s were assassinated. While time moved forward, the city remained in the past. Metropolis, and all the bigger cities were more advanced and had metahumans debut earlier. Bruce Wayne’s ability to keep up with metahumans is what leads to his Gotham city evolving after Batman starts teaming up with other heroes. This would explain why the Batman had its own timeless tone even though it’s clearly set in the modern world. It would also make the penguin series more interesting because it’s about Gotham citizens struggling to rise to power and then all of a sudden these people are introduced who have abilities that give them the upper hand in political situations. Think of it like when in Spider-Man homecoming the villains starting using Alien technology to empower themselves.
Pattinson should be in the DCU. No he's not too grounded. Batman year one was a major influence for the Batman and that Batman is about the same level of capability as Pattinson and yet it's also the same version who's on the justice league and encounters darkseid. Saying the Batman is too grounded is like saying a third of Batman's history can't coexist with the rest. Plus Pattinson wants to do fantastical Batman. He said that repeatedly in interviews and he doesn't need to be limited by reeves' approach. He'll also be 41 by the time Batman 2 comes out and there's plenty of room for him to have a bat family. Batb could be scrapped and we do the bat family down the road. Batman and Superman should be peers. Batman should not be substantially older than Superman.
No Pattinson in the DCU period. Pattinson is not like the Batman in the comics. In the comics, Batman is 6'2" and weighs between 210 - 220lbs. Pattinson is close in height, 6'1" but way to skinny probably 170lbs tops. There is no way a 170lbs Batman would last night after night in the streets of Gotham City. He just wouldn't have the durability. We need a new Batman and not Jensen either. NO MORE SKINNY BATMAN. When Affleck became Batman I said to myself when I first saw him on the screen, "FINALLY NOW THAT IS BATMAN." Then the warehouse fight scene made me smile from ear to ear and get goose pimples. Again I said, "FINALLY NOW THAT IS BATMAN." After all these years and the miscasting of Batman, The Batman from the comics made his first appearance on the big screen. Finally WB got it right after 4 bad choices to play Batman they got it right. Then of course they fucked it up again with Pattinson. Keaton, Kilmer, Bale and Pattinson are all very good actors but they are just not Batman. We need a Batman that can man handle the bad guys like Affleck did in B v S. None of the other actors could do that. Jensen was good voice acting Batman but he would just be another to small and weak looking actor and WE DON'T NEED THAT ANYMORE. Only 1 out of 6 was correct. IN Baseball, that is a .166 batting average which sucks. There is only one logical choice to be the next Batman and it is Alan Ritchson. We would finally get the comic book Batman and that is what all true Batman fans want. A big, scary and intimidating Batman. If I saw the Keaton Batman, Kilmer Batman, especially the Bale Batman or the Pattinson Batman in a dark alley I would laugh my ass off at each and every one of them. Then I would ask each one, "What are you going to do little man?" If it was the Affleck Batman or hopefully the Ritchson Batman, then ok I would be a bit worried. You talking the JL. Just imagine anyone of those other actors standing next to Superman and Aquaman and even Wonder Woman in that shot at the end of JL. They would make Batman look small and weak. That is not Batman. Affleck made him look big and strong like he is suppose to look. Pattinson wouldn't look good standing next to Superman or Aquaman or even Wonder Woman. The last thing I want to say is "NO MORE UNDERSIZED BATMAN. WE WANT BIG AND INTIMIDATING FOR BATMAN."
"And people are going how in the world is Thor this norse Mythological god gonna be able to be in a scene with Tony Stark? How's that gonna work? And my answer was: Well, that's kind of the movie! That's kind of the whole idea-is to take these people that shouldn't be together and put them together!" - Kevin Feige And that's why the MCU worked :)
I’m sure they were going to phase out Pattinson but couldn’t after Penguin success. Batman Animated series jumped right into Justice League. It can work and they can also get rid of the Damian Wayne element for now.
I really don’t get this whole “there’s two batmen?” Freak out people are having, especially for comic book readers. You have earth 1 for the more grounded and dark stories and earth 2 for the more fantastical elements of the DC universe. The amount of time they’d need to jump in order to have Matt reeves Batman with a Damian Wayne is ludicrous.
There are to many movie Batman fans here and not enough real, comic book Batman fans. It would be yet another huge mistake for WB to bring Pattinson Batman in the DCU. But WB has done nothing but make huge mistakes when it comes to Batman movies. The only actor to play Batman that made me think I was watching the Batman from the comics was Affleck but he never got his own solo Batman movie. That figures. Well in a way it is a good thing when you think about what I said in my comment below. Seeing any of the other undersized actors that have played Batman standing next to Superman and Aquaman in JL would have looked soooo bad. They would have made Batman look so pathetic and weak next to those guys and even Wonder Woman. I just want to see what I see in the comics, a big, scary and intimidating Batman.
I Love the batman with pattinson to but I feel he doesn't give off fatherly vibes that I would hope the Dcu batman has especially if he's got the entire bat family. Plus it would be a little jarring because their is no sign of metahumans at all like all the villains decided to leave gotham alone until batman is ready to fight them?
The Batman by Matt Reeves is the main Batman and should be in the DCU and if they don't work it in, then I am very sure the DCU will ruin the Batman side and let down the viewers... I am one that will not be watching Gunn's world much at all!!
I take any "rumor" or "report" with a grain of salt. Unless it's coming straight from the horse's mouth, I assume that it can be false. Going off what I've heard directly from Matt Reeves and James Gunn, it sounds like there's no plan to fold the BECS into the DCU, and that The Brave and the Bold is still happening, alongside The Batman: Part II, but neither script has been completely finished yet. Part II is close enough to being finished for Reeves to be confident that he'll start shooting at some point this year, but he didn't say it was completely finished. When directly asked the other day, Reeves did indicate that he's not completely closed off to the idea of merging the worlds, but it didn't sound like that's something that's being actively considered at this time. And if The Brave and the Bold happens soon enough, it won't be. Personally...I don't feel strongly about it one way or the other. If TBATB falls apart and if Matt Reeves really wants to play in the bigger sandbox, then let's see what that's like, but if he's not excited about that idea, I'd rather see that he maintains control over his universe and that the DCU Batman is differentiated enough from his style that the two franchises can coexist peacefully. There's already a DCU Clayface movie in pre-production.
I love your take on this The Batman DCU prospect but Iron Man is not a good example, he possess technology WAY off from reality. A better exams would be Arrow in Arrowverse
The more people keep having wishful thinking about it, the more desperate it sounds. Can we stop trying to crowbar Reeves' vision and world into another universe? Especially because people want to shoehorn projects like those films and shows like The Penguin into it and those are already well-regarded. We have Elseworlds stories for a reason.
One of the things i hate hearing is how the batman is too grounded or gotham is too dark. The batman may be grounded batman has started off grounded fighting gangsters and crim bosses but as time went on his rogues gallery grew into supernatural vilians. It's like batman getting blown up point blank or getting shot at point blank by machine guns fans don't care but pattinson joining the justice league is where they draw the line. I can tell these fans haven't watched anything besides the batman or even read any comics. Matt Reeves is building his own batman universe it would be such a waste to not use that within the dcu. It's just gonna be a mess honestly having two people, two batmen having two universes together clashing. One universe is the crime saga and the other batman is the dcu justice league stuff. I can understand if james gunn and wb are now questioning this decision will it interfere with both universes clashing them. The batman can keep its tone in the dcu james gunn has said different projects will have different tones. I hope it happens personally because i love pattinson as batman it would be a waste to not use him. Robert actually wants to join the dcu so he's on board with it.
i disagree heavily. hope they dont bring matt reeves batman into DCU, Not everyone likes the whole Cinematic universe or comic book like approach. What Matt reeves offers is the crime saga while yes its still based on a comic book character the tone and set up of the universe feels different compared to your typical comic book movie. NOt everything needs to be connected and not everyone will be a fan of it. Matt reeves having his own take on the characters gives DC a double strategy. One the appeals to normal movie goers who may like the character but not exactly the comic book style stories and the one that appeals to the traditional comic accurate versions of them. We already have a huge rivalry with the snyder cults this wont be any different its very inevitable. SO just let matt reeves batman and his crim saga elseworlds approach stick to their own and let james gunn cook with his own universe. Matt reeves can have the Gothic and low fantasy vibes in his universe. Let it be messy, people can choose what they want to watch, seriously people need to learn to stop being consumers and always finding the need to watch everything. If there would be 2 movie universes they can only choose 1 to follow. Its the beauty of elseworlds you give the consumer an option.
I agree with you I really think that the batman universe should be a part of the DCU The Batman and The Penguin are so good and successful that it would a waste to not build the new DCU off of that success
Nah. This is way too complicated than just accepting that there are two batmen . One in the dcu interacting with other characters , and then another as an else worlds trilogy Making essential dual Batman movies taking place in different time periods is just a poor attempt as merging the two universes. It’s nonsensical and makes far less sense to a general audience
i disagree heavily. hope they dont bring matt reeves batman into DCU, Not everyone likes the whole Cinematic universe or comic book like approach. What Matt reeves offers is the crime saga while yes its still based on a comic book character the tone and set up of the universe feels different compared to your typical comic book movie. NOt everything needs to be connected and not everyone will be a fan of it. Matt reeves having his own take on the characters gives DC a double strategy. One the appeals to normal movie goers who may like the character but not exactly the comic book style stories and the one that appeals to the traditional comic accurate versions of them. We already have a huge rivalry with the snyder cults this wont be any different its very inevitable. SO just let matt reeves batman and his crim saga elseworlds approach stick to their own and let james gunn cook with his own universe. Matt reeves can have the Gothic and low fantasy vibes in his universe. Let it be messy, people can choose what they want to watch, seriously people need to learn to stop being consumers and always finding the need to watch everything. If there would be 2 movie universes they can only choose 1 to follow. Its the beauty of elseworlds you give the consumer an option.
@@WilliamLamont82 no. they need a different batman. matt reeves batman is way to grounded and gritty for james gunn's dcu it won't make sense.. especially looking back at the movie that already released going into it.
hope they dont bring matt reeves batman into DCU, Not everyone likes the whole Cinematic universe or comic book like approach. What Matt reeves offers is the crime saga while yes its still based on a comic book character the tone and set up of the universe feels different compared to your typical comic book movie. NOt everything needs to be connected and not everyone will be a fan of it. Matt reeves having his own take on the characters gives DC a double strategy. One the appeals to normal movie goers who may like the character but not exactly the comic book style stories and the one that appeals to the traditional comic accurate versions of them. We already have a huge rivalry with the snyder cults this wont be any different its very inevitable. SO just let matt reeves batman and his crim saga elseworlds approach stick to their own and let james gunn cook with his own universe. Matt reeves can have the Gothic and low fantasy vibes in his universe. Let it be messy, people can choose what they want to watch, seriously people need to learn to stop being consumers and always finding the need to watch everything. If there would be 2 movie universes they can only choose 1 to follow. Its the beauty of elseworlds you give the consumer an option.
Your idea whilst not bad could still interfere with Matt's vision though because the future would already be set in stone so matt would have to make sure nothing is contradictory and there's also a decent chance he already has an idea of how his trilogy will end. But if they make the timeline more linear and have the crime saga take place at the same time as superman not only would it have the same problem as before it would also mean we'd probably have to wait like a decade to get the whole batfamily and that would just be insane. And besides GA may get confused but it's not a particularly tough concept to grasp I could see them getting use to it. And I'd also love to see another actor take a shot at batman(not jensen though he's too old maybe someone like Brandon sklenar) preferably a batman with a black/blue and grey suit with white eyes.
Bro it’s just called Elseworlds stories, if you were a comic book fan you would know that. 2 batman’s is fine, two universes, two stories. not confusing
One thing I forgot to add in the video!
If we're being asked by James Gunn himself to "ignore" the appearance of the Justice League in Peacemaker season one, the canon issue of fitting The Batman into the DCU shouldn't be a problem lmao!
Gunn considers the events of The Flash to be the official, in universe, resetting of the DCU. It was essentially a crisis. Technically, since The Batman came out a year before The Flash, it stands to reason that the resetting didn't only affect the DCEU but the Reevseverse!
Eitherway, excited to see what happens with the DCU. The finale to Creature Commandos was great.
I always kinda hated the inconsistencies in what Gunn said and what we saw in The Flash. In his words like you said, it’s the restart, but it’s not actually restarted, ezra was there, momoa too, the only thing that was changed and not even reseted was George Clooney. WB upper management, therefore Gunn too, asked the ending to be changed so it wouldn’t tease a future, but it still did. We got a post credit scene too, something Sony removed in their new movies to indicate they’re not planning on continuing. We also got a cliffhanger ending with George Clooney. The DCEU still exists.
Imagine being the first DCU movie as the Batman named Robert, As well as the MCU movie named Ironman played by Robert.
I can imagine Robert playing Ironman no problem. Please MCU take him away. Pattinson can not be the Batman in the DCU. No more skinny, weakly looking Batman. That is not who the Batman in the comics is. Affleck was the first and only Batman that was the Batman in the comics. The new one there is only one logical choice. Alan Ritchson period. Big and intimidating. Pattinson couldn't intimidated a 4 year old in a haunted house on halloween. I know if I was a bad guy and saw a Pattinson Batman in a dark alley, I would first laugh my ass off and secondly, ask him, "Whatcha gonna do little man?" Same situation with a Ritchson Batman first off I wouldn't be laughing and secondly, I wouldn't be asking him any questions. We need the Batman from the comics which is at least 6'2" and 220lbs +. We need one that when standing next to a woman is taller and has bigger shoulders. A Bruce Wayne that looks like that also. In other words, a Batman who makes the batsuit look big instead of the batsuit making him look big. Please MCU, take Pattinson for your Ironman. He would be perfect.
@@t74guard78 he or she was talking about Downey Jr in terms of the Ironman stuff. I'd prefer Marvel not take Pattinson away from us lol
@@t74guard78wonder woman should be taller than batman (and superman, but that probably wont happen because david is so tall) i personally dont care how big batman is aslong as its a good actor who can play the role.
@@t74guard78also if you say "watcha gonna do little man?" To batman you'll end up with dent in your skull
@@t74guard78 but I do agree Ritchson as Batman would be great, but I see no problem with Pattison as an elseworld Batman. And the intimidation starts kicking in when he's beaten up ten criminals at once
I agree with you but the problem that matters revess is so slow in writing I don’t think he will end his triology on time
I think his triology be a prequel is perfect idea and can introduce dick Grayson
Or hear me out
The third film will be after Rob gets integrated in the DCU
@@criticwhosalwaysright1404 Nah man, I'm not waiting until 2032 to get the batman in the DCU.
I totally agree.
That’s a good thing just throw hints if dcu in his films keep Batman in Gotham it’s in character for him
Matt reeves Batman and Gotham contrast so well with James gunn’s Superman and metropolis just like they do in the comics. Matt reeves has this rich fleshed out world of Gotham and a good fleshed out Batman.
If they end up going with another version of Batman they have to be confident that the casting, performance, story, and Gotham are gonna be loved with audiences because if not it will really damage the image of the DCU especially when they already have a great version of Batman that’s loved by audiences but that’s not connected to the DCU. It will cause huge rivalry within DC about “no this is my Batman” “no your Batman sucks”
I hope they dont bring matt reeves batman into DCU, Not everyone likes the whole Cinematic universe or comic book like approach. What Matt reeves offers is the crime saga while yes its still based on a comic book character the tone and set up of the universe feels different compared to your typical comic book movie. NOt everything needs to be connected and not everyone will be a fan of it. Matt reeves having his own take on the characters gives DC a double strategy. One the appeals to normal movie goers who may like the character but not exactly the comic book style stories and the one that appeals to the traditional comic accurate versions of them. We already have a huge rivalry with the snyder cults this wont be any different its very inevitable. SO just let matt reeves batman and his crim saga elseworlds approach stick to their own and let james gunn cook with his own universe. Having 2 different Batmen that appeal to different genres would be goated let’s be honest with ourselves.
@@jmgonzales7701 I agree with you. I also don’t know why everyone seems to be afraid of having different Batmans happening at the same time. I don’t wanna see a Batman that meets gunns superman be grounded in realism. Reeves already made a lot of choices that don’t sit well with the rest of gunns dcu.
@Smiggwardtentacles exactly and thats not bad at all. Infact even if battinson becomes a little bit more fantastical i still dont want it with gunn. Let it have 2 separate universes. Audience will pick and choose what they want anyways.
The issue is that the new DCU has a long history of metahumans and supernatural elements being relatively well known throughout the world, way before Clark debuts as Superman
also clark debuts as superman well before the superman movie takes place, in newspapers on the set you can see articles about him written as far back as 2021, so he'd have debuted around 2020 (which is the same time batman debuts in the matt reeves universe)
Guess what? Gotham doesn't exactly have other heroes intervening in the comics anyways. The dcu being fantastical means absolutely nothing. This ain't the mcu where every show and movie has the same tone. The batman could easily be in the dcu, with the same tone and writing
@ not really, it kinda clashes with what CC sets up. Was phosphorus running the Gotham crime scene before or after Falcone’s empire? It def can’t be during. Gotham didn’t look damaged from the flood either
@Cloudy_Games_99 you could semi retcon the batman and say it takes place in the mid 2010s. The batman part 2 is literally coming out in 2027 so by the time battinson would make it to a team up film, he would already be 40. They could easily say that the batman trilogy is just the super early part of his career(which is when batman is the most grounded) and then later say that crime evolved or something. It's doable
@@olofacosta3192 earliest the batman could've taken place would be late 2019, but after the movie's release they decided to firmly establish that it takes place in 2022. can't be retconned now since they show those 2022 dates for everything on screen in the penguin show
Great video! I really never gave more than a minute's thought to this discussion because I'm so into The Batman universe... But having it be set before most of the DCU events and having an older Pattinson be the DCU Batman could be REALLY fun
Pattinson’s Batman needs to stay out of the DCU. End of story.
@StraightEdgeKnight19 i still agree
@StraightEdgeKnight19 not end of story. It's still a completely valid thing for fans to want. And none of the creators seem completely apposed. Don't be surprised if it happens.
Matt reeves just did an interview at the golden globes and they asked him about “the Batman joining the DCU” his answer definitely sounds like there’s lots of discussions behind the scenes about this possibility. I think they are waiting for James Gunn’s Superman to come out and if it’s successful with audiences then I think they’ll fold in “The Batman” into the DCU.
Was thinking the same thing, too high a risk to do it now if the Superman movie then doesn’t do well
God I hope not. Please God don't let that happen. NO MORE UNDERSIZED AND WEAK BATMAN PLEASE. We need a new Batman and one that looks like how Batman is suppose to look. Big and intimidating. If I were a bad guy and saw the Pattinson Batman in a dark alley, I would laugh my ass off at him. He couldn't intimidate a 4 year old in a haunted house on halloween. WB has got it right only once in 6 tries. That is a .166 batting average which sucks. Only Affleck made me finally see a true Batman up on the big screen. Now there is only one logical choice. Alan Ritchson. No Pattinson in the DCU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@t74guard78 what are you on about? Robert Pattinson is just as big if not bigger than Michael Keaton and Christian bale which have been the best live action Versions of Batman. I honestly think he’s joining the DCU and they are still going to make brave and the bold but it’s going to be an Elyse world movie so I think they are reversing the roles
@@ItNotOkAnymore I made it clear what I am on about. Yes he is bigger than Keaton and Bale and they are not the best versions of Batman. Keaton is one of my favorite actors and he had the best batsuit and batmobile but was way to small. The way Bale looked in his last batsuit was ridiculous. He looked like a pencil neck and Batman is no pencil neck. I didn't say Keaton and Bale was bigger than Pattinson. I said all of them except Affleck were all to small to play Batman. Your obviously a movie Batman fan and not a true comic book Batman fan. The real Batman, as far as comic book characters can be, is big and scary and intimidating. None of the actors who have played Batman are big and scary and intimidating except Affleck. I just want whoever plays Batman to look like he does in the comics. Affleck is the only one that did that. None of the actors except Affleck could man handle the bad guys like Affleck did in the warehouse fight in B v S. That was the first time I felt like I was watching the real Batman in live action. I have been a Batman fan and been reading the comics for over 50 years. I know who Batman is suppose to be. Those who only know Batman from the movies have no idea who he is suppose to be. If Batman was the size of Keaton, Kilmer, Cloony, Bale or Pattinson, he wouldn't last a couple of nights in the streets of Gotham City. They are to small and wouldn't have the durability a Affleck Batman has. That is one of the reasons he is big in the comics. 170lbs Batman would get eaten alive by the criminals of Gotham City. I know we are talking about a fictional character but it just isn't realistic. Batman doesn't need to be reversed. He needs to be the Batman in the comics. Why change who he is? People love him because of who he is and that just isn't small and weak. I stated it a couple times. If Keaton, Kilmer, Cloony, Bale or Pattinson were in the shot at the end of JL standing next to Superman and Aquaman and even Wonder Woman, it would look terrible. Batman would look weak and pathetic next to those characters. Is the Hulk or Thor or Superman or Aquaman small, thin actors in the movies? No they aren't because they are not in the comics. The actors chosen for every comic book character in the movies have been as close as they can get to the comics except Batman. Only Affleck looked the way Batman should. If you don't look the part, you can't be the part. WB has done a really good job casting actors and actresses to play the villians with the exception of Tom Hardy playing Bane. Hardy is a great actor but Bane is 6'7" and weighs 350lbs. Hardy isn't even close to that. It wouldn't surprise me if WB makes the huge mistake of putting Pattinson Batman in the DCU. They have fucked up most of the things involving Batman movies. They are only 1 for 6 in casting for who plays Batman. That sucks so it wouldn't surprise me if they fuck up once again by doing that. We need an actor playing Batman that looks like Batman should. That can man handle the bad guys like Affleck did and not look pathetic standing next to Superman and Aquaman or even Wonder Woman. As I said before, we need someone who makes the batsuit look big not someone who looks kind of big because of the batsuit. I am just praying WB will get it right this time and leave Pattinsons Batman where it belongs, out of the DCU. Ritchson is the only logical choice. He will truly bring the comic book Batman to live action. Besides, if WB fucks up again, then the Brave and Bold Batman won't be made and we are stuck with Pattinson Batman who isn't going to bring in Robin anytime soon. Which is another of the WB fuck ups. Robin is just as much a part if not bigger than the batcave, batmobile and even Alfred. He has always been there. The Brave and the Bold is bringing in Robin even though they skipped the first 3 which Dick and Tim were the best Robins. They are bringing in Nightwing who should have already been included if not having his own movie. The only time they brought in Robin they made him out to be a whinny little bitch and that is not who Dick Grayson is. HE is a better character than Bruce Wayne is. That is all the explaining I need to do. I have had this argument with a couple other people and it is a waste of time cause they are only movie Batman fans and have no idea who Batman is suppose to be. Reverse the roles clearly shows me that you have no idea who Batman is suppose to be. HE DOESN'T NEED TO BE FUCKING REVERSED. BATMAN IS NOT 170LBS. BATMAN IS SUPPOSE TO BE BIG AND SCARY AND INTIMIDATING. Pattinson is none of those things so he is not Batman. He wouldn't last a couple of nights in the streets of Gotham City. Not if it is done realistically or as realistic as they can with a comic book character. We are done here. NO need to reply. I have no patience left with movie Batman fans.
@@t74guard78Not reading all that, Affleck kills people. Thats enough for me to rule him out as the best. Fundamental misunderstanding of the character
I think thats a great idea for the crime saga to bookend the DCU, and paradise lost is set in the past they're not shy of it
and in a very recent interview matt was asked about it said if it makes sense he doesn't know what the future could hold
I think the crime saga should be left alone as its own universe
I dont think an idea of two Batmen at the same time is too crazy. This isn't a Sony/Marvel situation where it's two studios are trying to use the same character in their own cinematic universe. Its easy enough to understand these characters are inherently different especially since the DCU's Batman would be around 31-40 and Battinson is in his late-20s realistically. Not only that but DCU's Batman just needs a different suit, fantastical villains, and more fantastical atmosphere and BOOM! easy to distinguish.
Initially I was one of the few who wanted reeves Batman in the universe. Then I accepted it wasn’t happening and got excited for a different Batman. Now we are back to the former, but you know, I’m not sure what I want anymore
Pattison and Corenswet look like brothers reminds me of the animated shows where Batman and Superman would switch suits. It would be the worlds finest ball drop if it doesn’t happen
There are plusses and minuses for sure. My issue is that while I could imagine a slight time jump and then introduce Damien, I don’t think it allows for the extended bat family to exist. I want Dick, Barbara, and at least one other Robin to exist before Damien rolls up.
@jimkettner8363
The planned "The Brave And The Bold" movie(I *really* hope that they come up with a more suitable title, like "Batman And Son") could be established as taking place many years after the handful of years that the early DC Gunnverse(I refuse to call it "the DC Universe" as that's too non-specific of a name for it) take place during and 20-something years after Bruce started his crimefighting career. James Gunn is supposedly planning to do a whole "jumping around to different points in the timeline" thing with the DC Gunnverse franchise.
Such an amazing video. As a huge dc comics and batman fan I think the batman is my fav batman movie
The only good thing to come of Robert Pattison joining the DCU other than freed up slots in the lineup and more projects added, is Batman, Dick Grayson and Superman teaming up
if The Batman 1/2 and The Penguin all take place around late 2022 (Batman 2 confirmed to take place right after Penguin and will be in the winter) it could work chronologically if Creature Commandos and Superman take place in 2024/2025. Also Superman could have made his first public appearance in 2023 two years before his movie takes place, hence why he was never mentioned at all in The Batman
also ignoring the design of Batman’s silhouette in Creature Commandos episode 6, could easily be changed and only be like that because of the art style, him catching someone like Dr Phosphorus could have happened in 2023 or 2024, after Batman 2
@@godzillafan1202 There isn't even an issue with Batman's cameo appearance in that 'Creature Commandos' episode, as Batman can have Batsuits with different looks.
I completely, 100% agree. I say they do it. It makes sense, it's how the comics work. And these two actors would be amazing on screen together. Seeing pattinsons batman fully grow, and mature into the batman we know in the justice league in the comics, would be fucking amazing.
Personally I don't like it. I don't see any issue with having two Batman. If you just want Patinson's Batman in this universe, I have no problem with that argument. But saying it would be too confussing...? If they state that there are two different Batman that don't share the same cinematic universe, people WILL UNDERSTAND what's going on. You're not giving people enough credit, movie viewers are not stupid. Specially after all the multiverse movies we've had. With X-Men, Spider-Man, Doctor Strange, Flashpoint, Deadpool we've seen multiple iterations of different characters, with and without shareing universes. We had two Flashes existing at the same time in different media, even two Superman and that happend twice, once with Brandon Routh and Tom Welling, and just now with Henry Cavill and Tyler Hoechlin. It's probably a lot easier for the studio to just have one Batman, but saying it would be too confussing is just not a compeling argument. ALSO, since when do we not want more Batman stories, we'd get double the Batman content
I personally think it'll overcomplicate things. Such as "who has the better version of the Pengiun", or "What if The Batman universe uses Mr. Freeze, then the DCU Batman wants to use him. Are we really gonna get back to back Mr. Freezes?" I see the ups and downs for both sides but in the end I think they should merge. Batman and Gotham have always contrasted with the rest of the DC universe so the Matt Reeves Batman films being "too dark" isn't even an issue. The movies should all have differne tones. But if Matt doesn't wanna do it then I hope they respect his wishes.
Merge them.
Gunn came with some non-negotiable conditions. Harley Quinn (Margot Robbie) from suicide squad is DCU canon. Bring her into the Arkham Series (Matt Reeves) as a Psychiatrist and do her storyline right.
Gunn will bring us Dave Bautista as Bane. We already have the green adrenaline from the first movie. A non goofy fantastical Mr.Freeze for Pattison's batman would be great. We have Scarecrow from The Penguin.
Can you imagine an actual unstoppable zombie Talon nemesis?
Fantastical elements are a great a tool for Matt Reeves and he should lean into the tone of the Arkham series that balances both perfectly.
hope they dont bring matt reeves batman into DCU, Not everyone likes the whole Cinematic universe or comic book like approach. What Matt reeves offers is the crime saga while yes its still based on a comic book character the tone and set up of the universe feels different compared to your typical comic book movie. NOt everything needs to be connected and not everyone will be a fan of it. Matt reeves having his own take on the characters gives DC a double strategy. One the appeals to normal movie goers who may like the character but not exactly the comic book style stories and the one that appeals to the traditional comic accurate versions of them. We already have a huge rivalry with the snyder cults this wont be any different its very inevitable. SO just let matt reeves batman and his crim saga elseworlds approach stick to their own and let james gunn cook with his own universe.
6:37 Great point. Took the words outta my mouth from the first James Gunn taking over announcement
Yes. Finally someone else beought this up but the batman is a perfect prequel to the dcu. Robert Pattinson gave me comicbook barman vibes same as its comicbooky gotham and year one is just as grounded while also being part of the dcu. Robert pattinson and david corenswet would be the ideal world's finest
hope they dont bring matt reeves batman into DCU, Not everyone likes the whole Cinematic universe or comic book like approach. What Matt reeves offers is the crime saga while yes its still based on a comic book character the tone and set up of the universe feels different compared to your typical comic book movie. NOt everything needs to be connected and not everyone will be a fan of it. Matt reeves having his own take on the characters gives DC a double strategy. One the appeals to normal movie goers who may like the character but not exactly the comic book style stories and the one that appeals to the traditional comic accurate versions of them. We already have a huge rivalry with the snyder cults this wont be any different its very inevitable. SO just let matt reeves batman and his crim saga elseworlds approach stick to their own and let james gunn cook with his own universe.
It would confuse the regular person if there are multiple Batman. It would hurt the success of both the Batman and the start of the DCU
People weren't confused by Barry Keoghan being Joker even though we recently had Joaquin Phoenix in his own world with those two movies.
@@omaridaniels8427most general people didn’t even know or remember he was in the movie tbh. The deleted scene that didn’t make the cut actually showed us what this joker looks like and that’s only on TH-cam
I agree! It's grown on me more and more. Largely because, I don't want yet another Ben Affleck coexisting with Pattinson (and also Keaton) thing happening. I don't want a new DCU Batman to be done with creative choices just to avoid similarities to Pattinson... Like you, I also don't think The Batman is nearly as "grounded" as people say. In fact - the arc of The Batman with Bruce adapting to being a hopeful figure, is identical to the arc he has early on in New Frontier, the Justice League blueprint that it seems like James Gunn is using.
I personally agree with you on how we can realistically merge Battinson into the main DCU. Aside from disliking solo Batman universes, I did notice some fantastical elements in The Batman, including Batman flying in the air when surviving an explosion and even gliding. Plus, seeing an experienced Batman teaming up with Super Corenswet would feel a little out of place considering their age differences. I also want to point out, since you mentioned how the first Iron Man movie was grounded before becoming more fantastical, Daredevil did start off as a Street-Level character in the Netflix Series before appearing in MCU projects like Spider-Man: No Way Home. With that in mind, DC, James Gunn, and Matt Reeves should take notes from MCU Daredevil on how they can properly integrate Battinson into the main DCU.
hope they dont bring matt reeves batman into DCU, Not everyone likes the whole Cinematic universe or comic book like approach. What Matt reeves offers is the crime saga while yes its still based on a comic book character the tone and set up of the universe feels different compared to your typical comic book movie. NOt everything needs to be connected and not everyone will be a fan of it. Matt reeves having his own take on the characters gives DC a double strategy. One the appeals to normal movie goers who may like the character but not exactly the comic book style stories and the one that appeals to the traditional comic accurate versions of them. We already have a huge rivalry with the snyder cults this wont be any different its very inevitable. SO just let matt reeves batman and his crim saga elseworlds approach stick to their own and let james gunn cook with his own universe. Matt reeves can have the Gothic and low fantasy vibes in his universe
11:20 exactly that’s so in character of Batman too kind of like that’s outside his jurisdiction
yo what up Julius! always a fan of ur perspective. take care and have a great 2025 brother 🙏🏻
Damn dude. Making the batman epic crime saga a prequel to the brave and the bold is just brilliant. The Batman part 3 can end with bruce truly becoming a perfect version of the character through the development in the first 3 movies and the brave and the bold can time jump to a moment when he is old enough to be damian. That’s just the best way. Also side note, even if The Batman never becomes dcu I would really hate it to remain grounded…. Like grounded Batman should have been a one and done thing. It’s not true Batman duh.
So basically no Batman in the modern day no Justice league Batman no nth just prequel Batman so no
Also it doesn’t work. The movie takes place in 2022 Superman takes place in 2025 so the timelines don’t match
hope they dont bring matt reeves batman into DCU, Not everyone likes the whole Cinematic universe or comic book like approach. What Matt reeves offers is the crime saga while yes its still based on a comic book character the tone and set up of the universe feels different compared to your typical comic book movie. NOt everything needs to be connected and not everyone will be a fan of it. Matt reeves having his own take on the characters gives DC a double strategy. One the appeals to normal movie goers who may like the character but not exactly the comic book style stories and the one that appeals to the traditional comic accurate versions of them. We already have a huge rivalry with the snyder cults this wont be any different its very inevitable. SO just let matt reeves batman and his crim saga elseworlds approach stick to their own and let james gunn cook with his own universe. Matt reeves can have the Gothic and low fantasy vibes in his universe
As for the grounded batman take and "its not true batman" while it is indeed not true batman to the comics. the character has evolved and the movies are its own thing which may have different appeals to different kinds of people. The grounded batman can appeal to non comic book fans because there are a lot who like the character but does not like the comic bookyness story. In short this gives DC a double strategy, one for comic book fans and one for grounded and different genre fans.
In my head I believe the delay is them trying to figure out how can we put Patterson in the DCU while still letting Reeves cook with his stories.
I also think having pattinson's batman in the dcu will be more profitable and the contrast between matt reeves the batman and superman is ideal
hope they dont bring matt reeves batman into DCU, Not everyone likes the whole Cinematic universe or comic book like approach. What Matt reeves offers is the crime saga while yes its still based on a comic book character the tone and set up of the universe feels different compared to your typical comic book movie. NOt everything needs to be connected and not everyone will be a fan of it. Matt reeves having his own take on the characters gives DC a double strategy. One the appeals to normal movie goers who may like the character but not exactly the comic book style stories and the one that appeals to the traditional comic accurate versions of them. We already have a huge rivalry with the snyder cults this wont be any different its very inevitable. SO just let matt reeves batman and his crim saga elseworlds approach stick to their own and let james gunn cook with his own universe.
@@jmgonzales7701 Exactly. I don't ususally feel this strongly about something like this, but I will genuinely be angry if we're robbed of a comic accurate Batman in the DCU. The "contrast" that people keep talking about can still be achieved with a comic accurate adaptation of the character.
@andraw4002 with 2 batmen universes out there people get what they want. One more comic book approach and one more cinema.
Great video. One thing of note: A Bit of Everything made a video that showed proof that The Batman takes place in 2019. When you add up what day and date that Patterson says at the start as well as the eviction date on Catwoman's letter. So that puts it at 6 years before Superman so it would fit fine there. I can't remember where I heard but I swear it's been rumoured that TB Part 2 will take place like two months after he first film so it should be able to contain itself and still fit. Also, I never understand why people say it's too grounded. The Penguin survives a car getting flipped like three times, no broken bones or owt.
I consider Superman Returns to be set in the same universe as The Dark Knight Trilogy. It actually works if you watch Batman Begins > Superman Returns > TDK > TDKR. There are subtle references Metropolis in TDK and Superman Returns references Gotham City. It works!
Superman returns is part of the richard donner universe
@@overlord6993 Eh that's highly debatable. The dates in the film set it in 2006. The Donner films are clearly set in the 70s/80s. Also, the cast is entirely different, so I'd say it's more of an homage than a sequel.
You convinced me now I wanna see it I was okay with the Batman being else world but I just couldn’t pass on a justice league worlds finest team up movie being the beginning of the DC mashups sold on that idea now can’t lie I keep thinking how awesome it’d be with these great of actors being cast in these new dc movies
I get why it seem confusing but that the thing about there being two is perfect with Dc multiversal structure honestly you call your self a fan but yet you contradict yourself complaining and being confused...Because while most Non dc fan are just ignorant I find it hard to believe that you have a hard understanding that yes there two different Batman on the big screen..IT CALLED ALTERNATIVE VERSION!!!!!!!!!!! like it literally not that hard to understand bro I'm just being honest...
hope they dont bring matt reeves batman into DCU, Not everyone likes the whole Cinematic universe or comic book like approach. What Matt reeves offers is the crime saga while yes its still based on a comic book character the tone and set up of the universe feels different compared to your typical comic book movie. NOt everything needs to be connected and not everyone will be a fan of it. Matt reeves having his own take on the characters gives DC a double strategy. One the appeals to normal movie goers who may like the character but not exactly the comic book style stories and the one that appeals to the traditional comic accurate versions of them. We already have a huge rivalry with the snyder cults this wont be any different its very inevitable. SO just let matt reeves batman and his crim saga elseworlds approach stick to their own and let james gunn cook with his own universe. Matt reeves can have the Gothic and low fantasy vibes in his universe. Let it be messy, people can choose what they want to watch, seriously people need to learn to stop being consumers and always finding the need to watch everything. If there would be 2 movie universes they can only choose 1 to follow. Its the beauty of elseworlds you give the consumer an option.
I see some of these comments saying grounded batman is not the true batman... well duhh... Its a different take on the character, an alternative to his more comic book version. Its appealing to a different demographic. AND its fine, its not for everyone its about preference. Groundedness is an art, realism is an art form and it is also entertainment. Hence why i don't support battinson being integrated to the DCU of james Gunn it robs people of options. IM pretty sure Gunn can think of something for his own version of batman. As for reeves let his universe remain grounded and at most low fantasy compared to the rubber ducky land of DCU.
For me I would love it but Matt reeves said that part 2 takes place one week after the penguin so that means the third movie will mostly do the same
My pick is battinson saga ends and he joins the dcu as john constatine
He’d be a damn good Constantine
Good news bro! Your video is still relevant. Matt Reeves recently in an interview has hinted that he is open to sharing Robert Pattinson's Batman with the DCU if "it is done in a way that feels right".
No he didn't, you just interpreted it that way. Seeing that we've already had a look at the dcu batman and he looks nothing like the batman it makes it even more cemented that batman the brave and the bold will be played by a new actor.
Ok, let’s do it!
Pattinson’s Batman is meant to be grounded and realistic. It has to stay in its own universe. If it merges with the DCU it’s going to make the first film and The Penguin meaningless.
Sidenote: Just cause Batman didn’t get injured when his wingsuit got caught doesn’t mean it’s fantastical.
How? I'm sick of this grounded take. Green arrow and iron man were grounded solo projects that worked well in a shared universe. When done right it will work.
@@MuthukrishnanBellie: "How?" Bro, they changed Penguin's name because it was too unrealistic and got on record saying he won't use most of the fantastical villains because they are too outlandish to his world. But yeah, I guess the alien guy who flies because he does photosynthesis is grounded enough. Bruce will have four robins and lose one in one film's worth of time to get to Damian in "The Brave and the Bold." It's going to be great!
The most realistic thing would be just having him show up and just go with it. It's Batman not like anyone can have any validcomplaints of Batman being in a DC universe. Character is so popular and flexible anyone's complaints can be shrugged off in very condescending and passive aggressive ways (which I 100% will be doing. My favorite being "oh was right because Batman the Animated Series was ruined by the rest of the DCAU [eye roll]")
Just say Gotham is a less evolved City because of the corruption. The city is corporately stuck in the year the Wayne’s were assassinated. While time moved forward, the city remained in the past. Metropolis, and all the bigger cities were more advanced and had metahumans debut earlier. Bruce Wayne’s ability to keep up with metahumans is what leads to his Gotham city evolving after Batman starts teaming up with other heroes. This would explain why the Batman had its own timeless tone even though it’s clearly set in the modern world. It would also make the penguin series more interesting because it’s about Gotham citizens struggling to rise to power and then all of a sudden these people are introduced who have abilities that give them the upper hand in political situations. Think of it like when in Spider-Man homecoming the villains starting using Alien technology to empower themselves.
Pattinson should be in the DCU. No
he's not too grounded. Batman year one was a major influence for the Batman and that Batman is about the same level of capability as Pattinson and yet it's also the same version who's on the justice league and encounters darkseid. Saying the Batman is too grounded is like saying a third of Batman's history can't coexist with the rest.
Plus Pattinson wants to do fantastical Batman.
He said that repeatedly in interviews and he doesn't need to be limited by reeves' approach.
He'll also be 41 by the time Batman 2 comes out and there's plenty of room for him to have a bat family. Batb could be scrapped and we do the bat family down the road. Batman and Superman should be peers. Batman should not be substantially older than Superman.
No Pattinson in the DCU period. Pattinson is not like the Batman in the comics. In the comics, Batman is 6'2" and weighs between 210 - 220lbs. Pattinson is close in height, 6'1" but way to skinny probably 170lbs tops. There is no way a 170lbs Batman would last night after night in the streets of Gotham City. He just wouldn't have the durability. We need a new Batman and not Jensen either. NO MORE SKINNY BATMAN. When Affleck became Batman I said to myself when I first saw him on the screen, "FINALLY NOW THAT IS BATMAN." Then the warehouse fight scene made me smile from ear to ear and get goose pimples. Again I said, "FINALLY NOW THAT IS BATMAN." After all these years and the miscasting of Batman, The Batman from the comics made his first appearance on the big screen. Finally WB got it right after 4 bad choices to play Batman they got it right. Then of course they fucked it up again with Pattinson. Keaton, Kilmer, Bale and Pattinson are all very good actors but they are just not Batman. We need a Batman that can man handle the bad guys like Affleck did in B v S. None of the other actors could do that. Jensen was good voice acting Batman but he would just be another to small and weak looking actor and WE DON'T NEED THAT ANYMORE. Only 1 out of 6 was correct. IN Baseball, that is a .166 batting average which sucks. There is only one logical choice to be the next Batman and it is Alan Ritchson. We would finally get the comic book Batman and that is what all true Batman fans want. A big, scary and intimidating Batman. If I saw the Keaton Batman, Kilmer Batman, especially the Bale Batman or the Pattinson Batman in a dark alley I would laugh my ass off at each and every one of them. Then I would ask each one, "What are you going to do little man?" If it was the Affleck Batman or hopefully the Ritchson Batman, then ok I would be a bit worried. You talking the JL. Just imagine anyone of those other actors standing next to Superman and Aquaman and even Wonder Woman in that shot at the end of JL. They would make Batman look small and weak. That is not Batman. Affleck made him look big and strong like he is suppose to look. Pattinson wouldn't look good standing next to Superman or Aquaman or even Wonder Woman. The last thing I want to say is "NO MORE UNDERSIZED BATMAN. WE WANT BIG AND INTIMIDATING FOR BATMAN."
i love this, i'm for it
"And people are going how in the world is Thor this norse Mythological god gonna be able to be in a scene with Tony Stark? How's that gonna work? And my answer was: Well, that's kind of the movie! That's kind of the whole idea-is to take these people that shouldn't be together and put them together!" - Kevin Feige
And that's why the MCU worked :)
Battinson should be in DCU.
No
I’m sure they were going to phase out Pattinson but couldn’t after Penguin success. Batman Animated series jumped right into Justice League. It can work and they can also get rid of the Damian Wayne element for now.
to make this possible theres one simple solution just make the brave and the bold be bruce and dick grayson or tim drake dont rush to damian
If Gunn's Batman doesn’t meet my expectations, I’m done with live action DC for good.
I really don’t get this whole “there’s two batmen?” Freak out people are having, especially for comic book readers. You have earth 1 for the more grounded and dark stories and earth 2 for the more fantastical elements of the DC universe.
The amount of time they’d need to jump in order to have Matt reeves Batman with a Damian Wayne is ludicrous.
They keep trying to put them together and we can't even get a legit live action robin
There are to many movie Batman fans here and not enough real, comic book Batman fans. It would be yet another huge mistake for WB to bring Pattinson Batman in the DCU. But WB has done nothing but make huge mistakes when it comes to Batman movies. The only actor to play Batman that made me think I was watching the Batman from the comics was Affleck but he never got his own solo Batman movie. That figures. Well in a way it is a good thing when you think about what I said in my comment below. Seeing any of the other undersized actors that have played Batman standing next to Superman and Aquaman in JL would have looked soooo bad. They would have made Batman look so pathetic and weak next to those guys and even Wonder Woman. I just want to see what I see in the comics, a big, scary and intimidating Batman.
I Love the batman with pattinson to but I feel he doesn't give off fatherly vibes that I would hope the Dcu batman has especially if he's got the entire bat family. Plus it would be a little jarring because their is no sign of metahumans at all like all the villains decided to leave gotham alone until batman is ready to fight them?
The Batman by Matt Reeves is the main Batman and should be in the DCU and if they don't work it in, then I am very sure the DCU will ruin the Batman side and let down the viewers... I am one that will not be watching Gunn's world much at all!!
I take any "rumor" or "report" with a grain of salt. Unless it's coming straight from the horse's mouth, I assume that it can be false.
Going off what I've heard directly from Matt Reeves and James Gunn, it sounds like there's no plan to fold the BECS into the DCU, and that The Brave and the Bold is still happening, alongside The Batman: Part II, but neither script has been completely finished yet. Part II is close enough to being finished for Reeves to be confident that he'll start shooting at some point this year, but he didn't say it was completely finished.
When directly asked the other day, Reeves did indicate that he's not completely closed off to the idea of merging the worlds, but it didn't sound like that's something that's being actively considered at this time. And if The Brave and the Bold happens soon enough, it won't be.
Personally...I don't feel strongly about it one way or the other. If TBATB falls apart and if Matt Reeves really wants to play in the bigger sandbox, then let's see what that's like, but if he's not excited about that idea, I'd rather see that he maintains control over his universe and that the DCU Batman is differentiated enough from his style that the two franchises can coexist peacefully. There's already a DCU Clayface movie in pre-production.
I love your take on this The Batman DCU prospect but Iron Man is not a good example, he possess technology WAY off from reality. A better exams would be Arrow in Arrowverse
Black widow is a perfect example when we saw her in iron man 2 I didn’t picture her suplexing aliens until the avenger came out
The more people keep having wishful thinking about it, the more desperate it sounds. Can we stop trying to crowbar Reeves' vision and world into another universe? Especially because people want to shoehorn projects like those films and shows like The Penguin into it and those are already well-regarded. We have Elseworlds stories for a reason.
One of the things i hate hearing is how the batman is too grounded or gotham is too dark.
The batman may be grounded batman has started off grounded fighting gangsters and crim bosses but as time went on his rogues gallery grew into supernatural vilians. It's like batman getting blown up point blank or getting shot at point blank by machine guns fans don't care but pattinson joining the justice league is where they draw the line.
I can tell these fans haven't watched anything besides the batman or even read any comics. Matt Reeves is building his own batman universe it would be such a waste to not use that within the dcu. It's just gonna be a mess honestly having two people, two batmen having two universes together clashing.
One universe is the crime saga and the other batman is the dcu justice league stuff. I can understand if james gunn and wb are now questioning this decision will it interfere with both universes clashing them. The batman can keep its tone in the dcu james gunn has said different projects will have different tones.
I hope it happens personally because i love pattinson as batman it would be a waste to not use him. Robert actually wants to join the dcu so he's on board with it.
i disagree heavily. hope they dont bring matt reeves batman into DCU, Not everyone likes the whole Cinematic universe or comic book like approach. What Matt reeves offers is the crime saga while yes its still based on a comic book character the tone and set up of the universe feels different compared to your typical comic book movie. NOt everything needs to be connected and not everyone will be a fan of it. Matt reeves having his own take on the characters gives DC a double strategy. One the appeals to normal movie goers who may like the character but not exactly the comic book style stories and the one that appeals to the traditional comic accurate versions of them. We already have a huge rivalry with the snyder cults this wont be any different its very inevitable. SO just let matt reeves batman and his crim saga elseworlds approach stick to their own and let james gunn cook with his own universe. Matt reeves can have the Gothic and low fantasy vibes in his universe. Let it be messy, people can choose what they want to watch, seriously people need to learn to stop being consumers and always finding the need to watch everything. If there would be 2 movie universes they can only choose 1 to follow. Its the beauty of elseworlds you give the consumer an option.
I agree with you I really think that the batman universe should be a part of the DCU
The Batman and The Penguin are so good and successful that it would a waste to not build the new DCU off of that success
The Batman was not successful at all
4:12 Easy Hack Gunn should just cancel Robert Pattinson Batman 2
Great ideas but I really want Batman to be played by Alen Ritchson or Jenson Ackles. Pat just doesn’t do it for me
Nah.
This is way too complicated than just accepting that there are two batmen . One in the dcu interacting with other characters , and then another as an else worlds trilogy
Making essential dual Batman movies taking place in different time periods is just a poor attempt as merging the two universes. It’s nonsensical and makes far less sense to a general audience
He should be the DCU Batman. No need for DC to overthink it?
i disagree heavily. hope they dont bring matt reeves batman into DCU, Not everyone likes the whole Cinematic universe or comic book like approach. What Matt reeves offers is the crime saga while yes its still based on a comic book character the tone and set up of the universe feels different compared to your typical comic book movie. NOt everything needs to be connected and not everyone will be a fan of it. Matt reeves having his own take on the characters gives DC a double strategy. One the appeals to normal movie goers who may like the character but not exactly the comic book style stories and the one that appeals to the traditional comic accurate versions of them. We already have a huge rivalry with the snyder cults this wont be any different its very inevitable. SO just let matt reeves batman and his crim saga elseworlds approach stick to their own and let james gunn cook with his own universe. Matt reeves can have the Gothic and low fantasy vibes in his universe. Let it be messy, people can choose what they want to watch, seriously people need to learn to stop being consumers and always finding the need to watch everything. If there would be 2 movie universes they can only choose 1 to follow. Its the beauty of elseworlds you give the consumer an option.
@@jmgonzales7701 Exactly let Hack Reeves do his trash Batman movie so WB can go bankrupt
@Captaiesqueleto funny his movie was a sucess. Matt reeves batman would even cost less due not being a cgi cluster fuck
It’s really not confusing at all no offense
They will fumble it
Bro the cope is real with you, you know damn well it would not make sense, you only want it apart of the dcu because it is good.
on god
I just don’t want it.
Bad idea
I'm sorry but there's no way in hell people think its a good idea for matt reeves batman to join the dcu. If it don't fit don't force it.
It's Batman and Superman so it can fit.
It fit
@@WilliamLamont82 no. they need a different batman. matt reeves batman is way to grounded and gritty for james gunn's dcu it won't make sense.. especially looking back at the movie that already released going into it.
@@bravobear1844 the dcu needs its own batman and a more muscular one too sense thats what he was teased as in creature commandos
No i want The Batman to have its own separate universe, Give us our traditional Batman thats a legitimate martial artist with a muscular physique.
well get ready to wait a longggg time if they actually make brave and the bold
The entire point of the video is to show that robert pattinson can be that experienced batman
@@overlord6993 He didn't even train to get buff for the role, All previous Batman actors have trained.
hope they dont bring matt reeves batman into DCU, Not everyone likes the whole Cinematic universe or comic book like approach. What Matt reeves offers is the crime saga while yes its still based on a comic book character the tone and set up of the universe feels different compared to your typical comic book movie. NOt everything needs to be connected and not everyone will be a fan of it. Matt reeves having his own take on the characters gives DC a double strategy. One the appeals to normal movie goers who may like the character but not exactly the comic book style stories and the one that appeals to the traditional comic accurate versions of them. We already have a huge rivalry with the snyder cults this wont be any different its very inevitable. SO just let matt reeves batman and his crim saga elseworlds approach stick to their own and let james gunn cook with his own universe. Matt reeves can have the Gothic and low fantasy vibes in his universe. Let it be messy, people can choose what they want to watch, seriously people need to learn to stop being consumers and always finding the need to watch everything. If there would be 2 movie universes they can only choose 1 to follow. Its the beauty of elseworlds you give the consumer an option.
Your idea whilst not bad could still interfere with Matt's vision though because the future would already be set in stone so matt would have to make sure nothing is contradictory and there's also a decent chance he already has an idea of how his trilogy will end. But if they make the timeline more linear and have the crime saga take place at the same time as superman not only would it have the same problem as before it would also mean we'd probably have to wait like a decade to get the whole batfamily and that would just be insane. And besides GA may get confused but it's not a particularly tough concept to grasp I could see them getting use to it. And I'd also love to see another actor take a shot at batman(not jensen though he's too old maybe someone like Brandon sklenar) preferably a batman with a black/blue and grey suit with white eyes.
Bro it’s just called Elseworlds stories, if you were a comic book fan you would know that. 2 batman’s is fine, two universes, two stories. not confusing
Its bullshit tho. Why would you do that if it would make more cash and be way cooler and a better contrast if matt reeves the batman was in the dcu
@ cause maybe it’s not about “making more cash” and it’s about making good stories that support the characters like JG said.🙄
@@overlord6993Nobody likes Robert Shitinson Batman in the DCU he would die in a instant
@@ATVOffroadFurryHack Reeves makes trash stories it took him so long to write the crackman and it was trash
Robert Pattinson Batman is too weak to survive in a fantastical universe
Pattinson is a young Batman
I'm not so sure. I think we could get a better batman than Robert Pattisons.