We have had similar success with leveraging the Pierson pallet system. Across numerous part numbers we have decreased cycle time per part by 75% or more. Since we have virtually eliminated our bottleneck with how many parts we can easily fit in the machine with a quick setup, we have invested in custom form tools to further optimize our production. The Pierson system is fantastic
This works! I have used this basic technique for years - but without the benefit of the super quick-change Pierson Pallet bases. Putting these pallets in a vise is a lot more work, bolting directly to a subplate is a lot more work. This pallet system is very slick, very quick - very easy.
It always kills me when I see a 40" travel machine with one 6" Kurt vise in the middle of it. Anytime you can use more of your machines footprint you will be increasing production.
What's obnoxious, is seeing machines with a Metre long table and the controller can only handle a single vise size of code, if that. Why are companies so cheap? I only see Haas with any decent amount of memory.
@@DieselRamcharger there's already 50-100 times as much memory installed in most controllers as compared to the base option (Haas for instance, has 64 mb of memory on the board while you get 850-900 kb usable) It's purely for the "starting at" price to seem cheap and then nic... Dollar and stack you for "upgrades"
If you filled up the machine (looks like 3 pallets would fit), you'd have to spend a minute changing pallets once every 2 hours and could likely get 1-2 hours of lights-out reliably Along with this, the operator could also likely handle more machines compared to a single pallet
Awesome video! Would there be any disadvantage to separating the pieces after flipping them over? Since you'll be removing the workholding stock anyway, you could save a few seconds per piece by keeping them connected.
Good thought, but the next operation goes into a 4th axis vise that holds onto the original stock. The Fixture Friday in 2 weeks will use the technique you mentioned.
Great vid Jay (as usual)...but a few things to be aware of. As a very heavy Mitee-Bite user over the years, those Pitbulls need a steel back/locating rail to "heel up" against to...or else over the many times of clamping them down, you'll find those Pits crushing/denting that 6061 which will decrease the clamping force. Not a good deal. Second, I would have used Time Serts (1/4"-20) for this application. Not Heli-Coil. :) Pockets are a standard...never slotted...so you're good to go there. What you did obviously "works" but we're always out to improve, right? Things to think about when making your next fixture. Never the less, keep those chips flying.
Great points! You can't go wrong with steel backing, but we covered exactly what you mentioned in Fixture Friday #2 cued up here: th-cam.com/video/Un0gLEHt8Lk/w-d-xo.html So far, HeliCoil's haven't failed us, but the stock screws from MiteeBite have. We replace those right out of the box.
Instead of the operator blowing 10 seconds of air across the table, add a Lang Clean Tech vent in the end of the program and it'll be perfect! But still very nice video, hope more to come...
Have they fixed their wing breakage issue or are they still prone to cracking & breaking off? We demoed that tool about 5 years ago and it seemed better suited for machines running automated pallet changing systems that want to have no operator interaction. The $10 manual air nozzle is hard to beat when you still have to do any manual changing of parts/pallets.
We have had similar success with leveraging the Pierson pallet system. Across numerous part numbers we have decreased cycle time per part by 75% or more. Since we have virtually eliminated our bottleneck with how many parts we can easily fit in the machine with a quick setup, we have invested in custom form tools to further optimize our production. The Pierson system is fantastic
This works! I have used this basic technique for years - but without the benefit of the super quick-change Pierson Pallet bases. Putting these pallets in a vise is a lot more work, bolting directly to a subplate is a lot more work. This pallet system is very slick, very quick - very easy.
Great video! The Helicoil thread insert is a good suggestion.
Great info, need more videos like this. Oh and AMEN for Helicoil thread inserts!
Great content. Looking forward to more fixture Friday’s.
Great video, we just got our Pierson pro pallet system and these tips are extremely helpful.
Thank you for doing this video. looking forward to seeing more covering multiple part fixturing and production.
We palatalize everything now. Thank you Jay!
Nice idea! I already look forward for the next video.
What material is being used for the fixture. Doesn't look like steel, otherwise that size would've been heavy and not been picked up so easily.
Great video, very informative looking forward to the next one. Thank you Jay!
Nice vid Jay!
It always kills me when I see a 40" travel machine with one 6" Kurt vise in the middle of it. Anytime you can use more of your machines footprint you will be increasing production.
What's obnoxious, is seeing machines with a Metre long table and the controller can only handle a single vise size of code, if that. Why are companies so cheap? I only see Haas with any decent amount of memory.
@@gredangeo the problem is people dont know how to program and cam systems poop spaghetti code.
@@DieselRamcharger there's already 50-100 times as much memory installed in most controllers as compared to the base option (Haas for instance, has 64 mb of memory on the board while you get 850-900 kb usable)
It's purely for the "starting at" price to seem cheap and then nic... Dollar and stack you for "upgrades"
If you filled up the machine (looks like 3 pallets would fit), you'd have to spend a minute changing pallets once every 2 hours and could likely get 1-2 hours of lights-out reliably
Along with this, the operator could also likely handle more machines compared to a single pallet
Love My MPS! As a one man show it allows me to be doing something else instead of waiting for the cycle to end to change out parts.
You got it!
Awesome video! Would there be any disadvantage to separating the pieces after flipping them over? Since you'll be removing the workholding stock anyway, you could save a few seconds per piece by keeping them connected.
Good thought, but the next operation goes into a 4th axis vise that holds onto the original stock. The Fixture Friday in 2 weeks will use the technique you mentioned.
Very well explained...
Thanks
How does this work when machinong 4140 decarb raw matrl?
Great vid Jay (as usual)...but a few things to be aware of. As a very heavy Mitee-Bite user over the years, those Pitbulls need a steel back/locating rail to "heel up" against to...or else over the many times of clamping them down, you'll find those Pits crushing/denting that 6061 which will decrease the clamping force. Not a good deal. Second, I would have used Time Serts (1/4"-20) for this application. Not Heli-Coil. :) Pockets are a standard...never slotted...so you're good to go there. What you did obviously "works" but we're always out to improve, right? Things to think about when making your next fixture. Never the less, keep those chips flying.
Great points! You can't go wrong with steel backing, but we covered exactly what you mentioned in Fixture Friday #2 cued up here: th-cam.com/video/Un0gLEHt8Lk/w-d-xo.html So far, HeliCoil's haven't failed us, but the stock screws from MiteeBite have. We replace those right out of the box.
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not to mention that the pallet is symmetrical, eliminating operator mis-loading errors
thats not a problem the pins in the base and pallet only go 1 way. but still true
Love it thanks Jay
Do you recommend buying a machine with air, or just plumbing air to the fixture from shop air? Haas wants $2k to install air.
Hard pass on paying $2k for table air. Simply drop an air line into the enclosure where the cables for a rotary unit enter
Can you show a pallet for a two op round part?
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What clamps do you use?
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Ok, so my issue is that everyone focuses on machining aluminium, but what about steel and other metals.
Instead of the operator blowing 10 seconds of air across the table, add a Lang Clean Tech vent in the end of the program and it'll be perfect! But still very nice video, hope more to come...
Have they fixed their wing breakage issue or are they still prone to cracking & breaking off? We demoed that tool about 5 years ago and it seemed better suited for machines running automated pallet changing systems that want to have no operator interaction. The $10 manual air nozzle is hard to beat when you still have to do any manual changing of parts/pallets.
@@KCautodoctor so far we don't have any issues with breakage
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Thanks!
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