Only 4 months since the last video, not too bad, right guys? In actuality this video was a ton of fun to make. RTS is an awesome arc and I'm really proud of how our commentary turned out this time. The next video will focus only on the Marley arc, and being 8 episodes, it *should* be much easier for me to get out quickly. Side note: at the end of this video (around the 1 hour 42 mark) we rank/discuss Lost Girls and our discussion of the first episode is probably the hardest we've ever laughed in one of these videos.
@@invaderzz I just wanted to say that as someone who (doesn't think the rumbling is justified) thinks the ending was change and that the E+H=Y stuff and the Akatsuki No Requiem MV stuff and even some of the Mikasa Muv Luv time loop stuff had truth to it I cannot stand when people act like Eren's was justified and whilst I do not agree with your interpretation of Eren (I am more of a: "The Genius of Eren Yeager's Character, by Soul" enjoyer) I must say when I saw the Erwin colossal titan stomping with the rumbling I burst out laughing on the spot cause like it was so stupid that image like people don't actually think that would happen I couldn't believe it legniamately, and it is just another lovely reminder not to associate with other ending haters, unless I want to laugh. anyways great vid keep up the good work, also like you say that the fandom split started with Armin and Erwin, and for the most part this is true but in the end it is incoonsistent, cause there was splits as early as Eren X Mikasa and Eren X Historia people (I am not a shipper I simply look at the manga and consider what may have been coming based on that and Isayama's words), then there was the Ymir X Christa shippers spilting into those groups and then the some of each sort of merged into both the Erwin and Armin groups and then Yeagerism and then did the ending come when, and each time people were changing sides like when Erwin fans went against Yeagerism or when Armin fans thought the ending was bad, basically it is never 1-1 between each group like it's not Yeagerist+Erehisus+ending haters V alliance fans+Eremika+ending defenders these traits are mixed together everywhere there are EHs anti rumbling and alliance fans who hate the ending and that is just that. But it is just sad to think that to some people the idea we should group or elimate them all and us V them, the idea that the ideology of us and them is wrong somehow being a hot take, it is just sad thank you for reading
33:09 The final rush of horses, everyone screaming, and Zeke's remark: "All that screaming. What good is it going to do you?" Then, seeing Levi in the air, Zeke does the same-he screams. And it doesn't help him at all! I love that part.
The most satisfying takedown in all of AoT. I LOVE how everyone acts in character! Annie can spank the scouts because she trained with ODM gear. She knows its weaknesses and techniques. Zeke has ZERO experience with it. But he's no dummy. He does the logical thing and covers his nape, but Levi goes for the eyes. Then he takes down the legs because LEVI knows that Zeke can easily outrun him in an open field. Only after Zeke is neutralized does he cut him our
Sometimes I forget how insane the basement plot twist/genre change really is. This channel and others got me really deep into the AOT lore. Now that the show is over, I’ve been able to step back and enjoy other things. However, rewatching this video and remembering how insane the story gets (especially with the obvious patterns to our world) is a lot of fun and jaw dropping every single time. Thank you guys again for the content.
Guys so there is somehthing you guys kind of missed about Zeke being able to Remove the vow renoucing war. The reason Zeke is able to remove the vow wasn't simply because he had spent so much time in the paths, but it was rather because he was the only member of the royal Bloodline to be in the coordinate without having the founding titan. That's why the vow didn't apply to him. He talks about it as soon as he mentions how long he had been in the paths. He specifically says that him being there that long made him understand it. Think about it. All members of the royal family who had been in the paths with the coordinate were there with the founding titan. No one had ever tried what Zeke and Eren had. So Zeke was there as a royal blood member without being in possession of the founding titan. Hence Ymir obeyed him and he gained the power of the coordinate.
I have always been a bit confused about this actually and I had never really put it together that that was why. But now that you pointed it out it makes perfect sense.
@invaderzz My specific interpretation of Zeke's wording is that while the Vow Renouncing War still applies to Zeke, not having the Coordinate allowed him to nullify it, but he needed all that time in the Paths to figure out how.
This is true, but the fact that Zeke says anything at all is what makes this so confusing. Zeke and Eren touched in Shiganshina with the explicit and well communicated goal of circumventing the Vow. Ksaver proposed the theory to Zeke. Eren confirmed it by adding his experience with Dina to that. They both already knew the vow wouldn't apply. The twist is that Zeke was in charge because he had Royal blood and not Eren, even though he had the Founder. The twist is that the power isn't "power" at all, it's just who Ymir listens to. She listens to the Royal blood because she still serves the king. This line makes no sense. There's no reason for Zeke to have to "figure out" how to nullify the Vow, he knew it would be nullified. That was their whole plan. The Vow never affected him because he didn't hold the Founder. Obviously not all Royals are affected by the Vow, otherwise Frieda would never have changed like Uri said she did. Eren of course wasn't affected by the Vow either because he's not Royal. So the fact that Zeke isn't bound is perfectly reasonable. What's so confusing is why he said it at all, and why he said it took him a long time to do. I have no idea why he says this and as far as I can tell, no one else does either. By all accounts, it makes no sense. I might be missing something, because based on this model, there's no reason for killing Zeke to stop the Rumbling. The power is Ymir's, not Zeke's. So maybe there's a different interpretation that makes more sense. If so, I haven't found it. I don't think this explanation does anything for it either, as I explained, Zeke knew full well the Vow would be nullified, there's no way around that.
@@TechnoSamBelpois So based on what you're saying, there actually really was no vow applying to any of them since they both don't meet any of the criterias. Zeke wasn't bound by the vow because he didn't have the founding titan, and eren wasn't bound by the vow because he didn't have royal blood. So they both knew they could use the power in this way by being together, but they didn't know who would be able to use the power. Or rather Eren thought he would because of Dina, and Ksaver also thought it would be Eren(founding titan) because of his research. Ksaver had previously said that the user of the founding titan would be the one to make the final use of the power, but this isn't what happens. So this implies that Ksaver didn't know about Ymir the founder obeying the members of royal blood and assumed Zeke wouldn't have the power, because Ymir wasn't in his research, or he didn't know the vow wouldn't apply to Zeke because he didn't have the founder. Either ways Zeke being in the paths for that long probably made him understand all this and also understand Ymir herself and how the power works. He then used that knowledge and power to nullify the vow entirely. Not because he couldn't use it because of the vow but just to make sure there wouldn't be a vow if any sort of theatrics happened with Eren. After all there was still a lot about the paths he didn't know. About the rumbling, I don't have much of a clue about that, so i'll leave that up to you.
as someone who only started watching aot in 2021, these videos are always really fun to hear anecdotes about how the fandom reacted to these events in the story
I have an observation about the "graphic regarding size of the walls" linked in the description. The math about the approximate wall sizes and area covered seems quite accurate. But as seen in the 3rd image down, the walls are wobbly, not perfect circles. When calculating the number of colossal titans they treated the walls as circles, like most people do. But just as a wobbly string's true length isn't known unless it is pulled taut, a wobbly wall's true capacity is greater than that of a smooth wall. So there would be considerably more colossals in the wall than most people calculate.
I actually loved Lost Girls 3 bc it’s kind of another way of showing us that even if circumstances were different, Eren is still going to strive for his idea of freedom. It reinforces the whole Nature v Nurture thing with Eren. Also I actually like the details about the scouts disbanding and the wall being sealed. In this version of events, Riener and Burrito don’t break the wall. The scouts at this point have just been viewed as a joke and a way for the government to keep the idealistic people satisfied/kill them off. The implication here is that the mission to seal wall Maria was the only thing that kept the scouts afloat
The reason why Marley only sent Zeke was because, if they sent their entire military force.. they'd have no military force. It's a recovery mission. The Warriors have been gone for 5 years with no sign of coming back. So they send Zeke and Pieck to get them back. They also only send as few people as possible because actually getting to the walls is dangerous as fuck. There's nothing but titans for miles. The other titan shifters can deal with that no problem, especially ones like Annie or Pieck who can stay in their titans for long periods of time. But a full on military invasion? You have to get through all that. It's also important to remember that, while to the scouts, titans are killable, to the rest of the world titans are near immortal.
I'm losing my mind at this because you're right, he does have a page on the heroes wiki, but as far as I can tell it's completely made up. Like there's no source for his name being that, I think whoever made the heroes wiki page just came up with it. This is way too funny
@@invaderzzthat’s what I was thinking but there’s no other page like that so I was confused. But for my own head canon and with my mates we just call him Walen lol
@@invaderzzI was able to find a second source on his name. But it’s on personality- database and it talks about the guys personality type. I didn’t look into it any further cause it wanted me to download an app. But incase you’re wondering Walen has a ISTP personality.
Something that struck me in the decision episode was floch standing up for himself and defending erwin. It cemented him as an actual character and not just a background chracter getting hand-waved by the main characters.
some heart surgeon somewhere just left the op room because he heard the invaderzz video for the best arc just came out the dude with the unfinished heard surgery will understand
Just binged all this, so fantastic. I can’t wait to see the next parts. This will be my comfort series for so many years to come. You guys have such good banter bouncing back and forth while also having so much cool info. This is the best AoT content on this platform.
Ight, peakington time. This'll be interesting. This opening spoils a lot if you pay close attention lol. I tell people to skip it when first watching the arc. Oh wow I've never noticed the breathing tube how weird lol. Feel like the audience missing it is similar to how the scouts miss it. I think people who hate the AoT ending typically would say this is there favorite arc? And people who love the ending probably rank it top 3 under Marley and WFP. Which is where it's at for me. But the quality difference is really close for sure. Yeah they're for sure underestimating Paradis here. But I mean, it was always the warrior units mission. And they probably couldn't imagine Zeke ever failing an operation. Also the warriors have to keep the scouts here. One of the reasons the Scouts are coming here is for the secret in the basement. Imagine If the Colossal just fucked up every house in Shiganshina, they could hypothetically get rid of it. But then if the scouts get here and see a ruined Shiganshina I mean....good chance they retreat thinking this is a trap. The warriors are trying to make it seem like there's a slim possibility they're not here to ambush them for this one moment. Oh yeah, most of Erwins characterization is in S3. He just suddenly gets really good this season. IDK a lot about gates, but the gate part of the wall still has to open so they can go in and out of the districts right. I'm assuming mechanically that's what the holes are for. What I just realized is it doesn't make much sense that King Fritz would install gates to the outer districts of Maria, because he doesn't want his people leaving the walls to find Marley right.....but then I realized he wants Marley to invade eventually and steal the founder. So the primary reason there's gates in those outer districts kinda gets recontextulized in a really fucked up way. Yeah the tactics back and forth between both sides are so peak. But something I will say that's interesting are all the tactics are more explicitly explained and narrated to the audience in a way for them to understand. Which I'm okay with, but it's something that S4 mostly lacks and I fuck with it. Like when the Beast is on the wall throwing rocks from above at Reiner and Porco, not letting them get to Eren. The series doesn't explain to the audience why Zeke isn't climbing down and just getting to Eren. It trusts the audience to be smart enough to figure out why by what Zeke's clearly doing right now. A lot of that trust in his audience to figure out plot stuff like that without it being explicitly told sorta ended up biting him in regards to the final arc and people's response to it. But it's something I personally appreciate. The conversation between Eren and Armin definitely carries episode 50 for sure. Fairly important. If you pay attention to Reiner climbing the wall. He takes forever lol. The manga is much better at displaying the time passing and how long it's taking Reiner. Anime time kinda makes this feel weird. Ight, so tbf to the Reiner consciousness thing. It makes sense to show it here because he absolutely needed it later on when he's in his Armor Titan. There was no way to progress the plot without him transferring his consciousness there. Otherwise he's just straight up dead or captured in that scene. So the consciousness transfer def existed for when he's in titan mode. And as for this, Isayama probably saw it and thought.....I mean it'd be more believable then him surviving a sword through the neck right. So he just used it here. Personally, never had a problem with this in story telling in general. You're allowed to introduce a new mechanic with 0 setup. As long as it makes sense before and after. It's why I never found the ghost in Lord of the Rings to be all that problematic even if it's last minute. That's just now how I see a deus ex machina. The key component to a deus ex machina is not the lack of set up for me, it's the fact that it doesn't make sense narratively. Really cool detail. But when Erens running away, Reiner thinks of the possibility that he may run back to Shiganshina and get home. But the scouts think of the idea of Eren doing a pincer attack with Eren coming up behind the Beast, and the scouts over the wall attacking him from the front. But the reason Reiner doesn't think it's a concern is because he knows about the rock thing, and the scouts don't. Pretty neat. Yeah and scout Ymir going to Paths is kinda fuckin weird btw. I would've retroactively cut that from Clash cus it does create unnecessary confusion. So.....something scary to think about in regards to Eren and Zeke touching here. Obviously, as Invaderzz said. They probably wouldn't go into paths. What would likely happen is Zeke's titans start attacking him. Because Erens intent while touching Zeke is to destroy him. Not to get into Paths. So it wouldn't even happen to begin with. But let's pretend it did.....pretty sure Zeke doesn't figure out about how to break the vow. Cus he figured that out due to Gabi blowing Erens head off, and the time it took for Ymir to fix Erens head, is when Zeke figured it out. But this time, there repair period wouldn't exist. So Zeke unironically wouldn't know how to break out of the chains lol. Kinda interesting. God, the arms thing in the nape looks so uncomfortable jesus. Okay. We're only 2 eps in and this message is already way to long I'm so sorry. I'll try to minimize more of my thoughts loool. I'd say for Bertolt a lot of his character is finding his own way to cope with the wrongdoings. Cus like Reiner and Annie, he realizes what they're doing is wrong. But he copes with it very differently then they do. And the way he goes about it is just accepting that this is the way of the world and there's no changing that. He's kinda the ideal warrior in the context of Marley. if Reiner and Annie ended up like him things going forward would probably be fairly different. So 1 thing on the size scaling thing. Yeah WIT def fucked it up here. Erens just to small. But I will say Isayama made a mistake with the walls obviously. 50 meters is far to small for what he was going for. He needed to aim Game of Thrones wall height for sure. Comparing the walls to the houses in the city and then saying the walls are only 50 meters is pretty crazy lol. I appreciate the Spongebob references from Wally despite not knowing any of them. Ya know about the King Reiss thing lol. Zeke saying the ruler of the walls being the Reiss Family when how would he know that? Pretty weird minor mistake, and it's weird the anime didn't fix it. Well.....the idea is the brain is still recovering right. Like clearly his head isn't fully recovered, just enough to place his consciousness back in it. But surely his brain being blown to bits would have some initial consequences. True 4th degree burns won't kill you. But 60 meter drops will lol. I'd actually say it's S tier. Levi vs Beast Titan is really good, as is Armins sacrifice. But I actually think the Armor titan bit isn't on par. Compared to ep 1, 31, 79, 80, and 87 where all of it feels pretty consistently peak. This is similar to Perfect Game to me where it's almost there, but some parts hold it back from perfection. Just me though. Well antis would call it bad writing that he's supporting it as a ghost right? Probably not relevant to point that out. Otherwise I think I agree? He might've been more assertive with Eren and the 50 year plan. IDK how Zeke and Eren would've plotted against Erwins orders compared to Hanje. Hanje and Armin were more passivistic about their approach. And....based on what you're saying your arguing Erwin wouldn't have been but......IDK. It's hard right. The ideals of the scouts are all about trying to find understanding in a world that wants anything but. Regardless the scouts naively try searching for that understanding no matter what. So when they go to Marley to try and figure things out. It's already treated like this has a fairly low chance of working and it's really naive. But they still go for it regardless cus that's the Survey Corp....IDK if Erwin would've been pragmatic about it in the sense that he wouldn't risk bringing the founder into enemy territory. He would've just gone along with the 50 year plan right there. Or if he would've done what Hanje did with the naive hope idea. It's really hard to say, and I can see multiple arguments for and against it. Alright this is tooo long. I'll enter here and just leave it at that. Need to find a way to make it smaller for S4 cus oh boy......
It's funny you mention the wall in game of thrones, because there's a famous anecdote where GRRM panicked upon realizing that he made the wall way bigger than he intended. Great comment as always, we really really value your feedback
Idk how I've never considered the Reiss thing because yeah I can't think of any way he could have known. I think you're also correct about Eren and Zeke now that I think about it- I wonder if Zeke would have been aware of the risks if Eren had attacked him during that battle. He knew Eren had the founder at that point already, and Ksaver had already taught him how to get around the vow renouncing war. If Eren started charging at him, I wonder if Zeke would have started running to try to avoid contact (knowing that if Eren touched him he'd be able to send Zeke's own titans after him). Great points all around, sorry I'm not able to respond to all of it. I always appreciate your comments on these videos. And thank you for the $5 btw.
I think, and have thought for months since reviewing the series again that one of the biggest core themes of this series has been about the Scouts and their idealism. Some are rugged and pragmatic but think about it, their entire concept, as confirmed by numerous accounts through dialogue in the series, has been about idealism and hope. Their job is and always was a suicide mission, that's the idea we're presented from the very first episode. The debates for Erwin's survival are very understandable, but the choice, thematically, was always Armin and Isayama knew that. I mean Armin is no contest the most hopeful character in the entire series, and Levi, who survives as the last remaining member of the “old regime” of Scouts, knows *exactly* what it means to be one. Everyone embodies the Scouts. Eren embodies the tenacity, Mikasa embodies the strength, Hange, the curiosity, Erwin, the strategy, but Levi and Armin have always embodied the ideas the most. The slim chances, the tough decisions, the selflessness, the ungodly amount of killing but also the continuous strive to move forward and hold out to those small hopes. They are by no means perfect but they have always been the most cognizant of their flaws.
god i love these vids. i just want to point out that there is an argument to be had about armin being the better choice for the scouts even pragmatically. erwin is undeniably the best leader and overall planner, but i would argue that armin is a bit smarter and quicker. if there is something to deduce, armin is already there before anyone else even thinks about it. it's also hard to say what erwin would want to do after the basement lore drop (levi even considers this when making his choice), while armin's dream is pure, unmotivated by trauma and is not a burden for him. i would also add that armin doesn't hesitate to abandon his dream and sacrifice himself, while erwin probably needed levi to make the choice for him. in my opinion my boy armin is the better choice no matter how you slice it, but i respect that most people prefer erwin when it comes to practicality. just my two cents
I was going to fucking RIOT if Hero wasn't put into S+ tier. I love that no matter the opinions on the rest of the show, 99% of people agree that Hero is just absolutely incredible. Between the animation and character moments, it's just so fucking good
Funny story for me about the “To save Mikasa and Armin, and everyone else” line When season 4 part 2 was coming out, I was catching my gf up on the show and we watched that episode, and then that night “Memories of the Future” dropped and it was probably one of the most satisfying moments of the show for me how that all connected
Best series on TH-cam is back! My hot take of the day is that Descent is a top 5 episode in the show for me, excited to watch the video and see where it places. Y’all are awesome, keep up the great work!
55:30 - Isayama actually answered what happened to Erwin's body. So, after some time Levi returned there to take back Erwin's bones and give him a proper funeral. He only took Erwin, so we don't know if anyone took care of the hundreds of other bodies just laying on the ground out there
So the thing about Mikasa’s Lost Girls is that the manga actually takes place when Mikasa falls down in Trost. To me it appears that Mikasa’s subconscious is trying to make her come to terms with Eren’s death. The wall gets sealed because the Warriors never attack. Also, the hot air balloon replaces an airplane!
@@invaderzz I genuinely would recommend reading the manga versions cause they are pretty fun, and again the artstyle is really unique! I haven’t read the light novel versions so if there are differences there I couldn’t tell you. The mikasa one though does have an interesting I guess epilogue where Mikasa confronts Annie about her ring while they’re in the cadets, and then it cuts to Mikasa telling Annie to fall in Stohess. The OVAs cut a lot!
@@invaderzz read the manga, there are some interesting cut lines about Eren which initially seem to fuel AnR theory, but then go on to reinforce Eren's canon ending.
32:47 I find this line of Zeke's very interesting. He already knows that he ought to enjoy the little things, but he still needs reminding of that exact thing by Armin in the end.
I interpreted it as Armin completing his knowledge, that-- more than needing to enjoy the little things-- he can construct his own meaning of life through that enjoyment. But, yeah, I found that line interesting as well.
I love the opening and it’s one of my favorites because I feel like it has similar vibes to Guren no Yumiya and sort of brings pre-Marley AoT to a close concluding the whole journey.
That's amazing lmao. Hope you've enjoyed it. Out of curiosity, how did you find the series? Was it in your youtube recommended or did you find it because you watched another one of my videos?
@@invaderzzThe eren video and the various episodes of this series kept popping up on my recommended. I watched the eren one and then these were always at the top of my suggested after that
Half a league, half a league, Half a league onward, All in the valley of Death Rode the six hundred. “Forward, the Light Brigade! Charge for the guns!” he said. Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred. “Forward, the Light Brigade!” Was there a man dismayed? Not though the soldier knew Someone had blundered. Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do and die. Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred. Cannon to right of them, Cannon to left of them, Cannon in front of them Volleyed and thundered; Stormed at with shot and shell, Boldly they rode and well, Into the jaws of Death, Into the mouth of hell Rode the six hundred. Flashed all their sabres bare, Flashed as they turned in air Sabring the gunners there, Charging an army, while All the world wondered. Plunged in the battery-smoke Right through the line they broke; Cossack and Russian Reeled from the sabre stroke Shattered and sundered. Then they rode back, but not Not the six hundred. Cannon to right of them, Cannon to left of them, Cannon behind them Volleyed and thundered; Stormed at with shot and shell, While horse and hero fell. They that had fought so well Came through the jaws of Death, Back from the mouth of hell, All that was left of them, Left of six hundred. When can their glory fade? O the wild charge they made! All the world wondered. Honour the charge they made! Honour the Light Brigade, Noble six hundred!
Love these videos so much. Your enthusiasm and love for the series bleeds through in every piss take you make lmao. Shoukei To Shikabane No Michi slander though, terrible vid. I really like how it ends with the shots of the land beyond the walls and quietly creeps into the basement at the very end
41:30 Even as a huge dub fan and prefers it, I legit had to pause the episode for a sec cause I was just flabbergasted, like till this day I’m just like “wha-…huh?” any time I hear it.
@@randomcommenter-gy9rp”Yeah! Hell yeeah!” Sounds like some flamboyant guy excited over something small, not a mentally exhausted and desperate man trying to save his best friend.
WFP is definitely the best arc in Aot. Perfect Game, Hero, Midnight Sun and That Day are definitely the top 4 best episodes at the time they aired, only to be rivaled/surpassed by season 4 episodes like Declaration of War, Two Brothers, Memories of the Future, etc.
I love The Road of Longing and Corpses sooo much, it's one of my favourite opening songs. And just like The Last Titan its full song makes it sound significantly better and the lyrics are incredible.
35:57 I think falling was part of the plan, Eren was likely saying "shit" because he realized that Armin was lying to him and was probably going to kill himself.
Now that we’ve finally gotten to the WW2 parallels, I wonder how you feel about the “AoT is actually fascist” takes (though I suppose Wally went over that by mentioning how much better AoT handles these themes compared to Code Geass). I vehemently disagree with them, but I do wonder why they seem to pop up from otherwise well-meaning people. Like I can see the argument that the parallels to real life events are sloppy/tasteless (even if I don’t agree), but outright claiming the show is fascist completely contradicts the actual text of the anime/manga. Especially after the one line that could possibly be construed as pro-rumbling, the “mass-murderer for our sake” line, was changed for the anime. Also the idea of you being so mad at the meme of Erwin supporting the rumbling that it inspired a whole video is really funny. Though I think my favourite bit from this series is Eren being a sea denier and Wally being like it was just a grift 😭
I think the people who claim the show is fascist don't know what fascism is, and don't know that what AOT is emphatically saying is completely at odds with any kind of authoritarianism (since authoritarianism in general relies on an extreme "us-versus-them" mentality to justify itself).
I've had a theory on the Scout Ymir/Historia scene. I know Reiner was watching her like a hawk, but perhaps Ymir snuck a few drops of her blood in the ink? Maybe a small poke with the pen?
I’m surprised that it was not noted that Levi also severed Reiner’s spine which was also not showed in the spinal version to have been hit only the nape 33:19 I thought that it was weird to show Marlo’s body being hit and fully intact when he was already hit and a boulder struck his head
I've always really loved the "Shingeki no Kyojin" reveal, throughout the first two thirds of the series you'd interpret it to mean "The Advancing Giants", because that's what you see happen, the kyojin moving in on humanity's last bit of territory, it seems to be what the series is about. And then we get the bombshell that no this is not the story of advancing giants, it's the story of *The Advancing Giant*. It's probably the best title drop I've ever seen in anything and the only one I can think of where it also functions as a bit of a plot twist that completely reframes the story itself, it's a shame that you can't really preserve it in English due the the way the language is structured, I wonder if the word vomit that is the official English title stems from a poor attempt at preserving the twist? On the note of weird localization the choice to call them "titans" is a bit of an odd one, "kyojin" literally means "giant human" so "giant" would make a lot more sense as their English name, it's also what they were called in the Japanese version of Chapter 2 of the manga (the image showing the walls at the graduation ceremony labels the area outside the walls "Giant Field" in full English) which was likely written before they came up with "Attack on Titan". The kyojin themselves also bear more of a resemblance to jötunn from Norse mythology than they do the titans from Greek mythology, they're freakish looking creatures that devour humans, created from someone named Ymir, whereas titans were just the same as the gods but before them, not really known for eating people or being especially large. SnK itself of course has many similarities to Norse mythology, the giant tree with serpent like creature below its roots (side note: "The source of all living matter" could be interpreted as the pool of water Ymir fell into, since water is the source of life in the real world, I doubt that's what Kruger meant but I think it's an interesting interpretation), the rumbling obviously resembles Ragnarök and it even has a giant serpent like creature that expels a "poison" into the air as one of the big forces the good guys have to fight against. The coordinate itself resembles Yggdrasill, being a sorta otherworldly place that connects everything, it even starts out with having 3 branches similarly to how Yggdrasill has 3 roots, and Yggdrasill houses the nine worlds similarly to how the nine kyojin are rooted in the coordinate. I'm probably reaching a bit with some of these, but if you look for it you can easily find many elements from Norse Mythology thrown in by Isayama. If you remember the "The Eotena Onslaught" fan translation from way back in the day, "eoten" is essentially an English bastardization of "jötunn", and while that translation has it's own slew of problems it seems like they put a lot more thought into it than the official translator did. I'd recommend reading their "The “Eoten” Manifesto", despite it's... questionable structure, they do provide a lot of interesting tidbits about the kyojin/jötunn parallels, it's what sparked me to look into these similarities in the first place. This comment turned kinda rambly, mainly just to explain why I called it "The Advancing Giant(s)" and to rant a bit about how awful the English title is. Great video as usual, it's always fun to see how many tiny details you two pick up on. Lastly I just wanna say that I think they played the OP in those latter episodes because it allowed them to cut out 3 minutes of animation, which was probably very helpful when they were already struggling as much as they were with getting it done on schedule.
Great point about the Shingeki reveal. I wish we'd have talked more about it in the video. I do have some more thoughts on it that we may or may not talk about when we get to season 4 part 2- mainly I really love the scene where the Marley guys see Eren coming and they scream "Shingeki no Kyojin" in terror. I really love it recontextualizes the meaning of the series again and reframes what the title means (going from a force for good to one of evil). I actually started typing up something about the Eotena Onslaught to ask if you knew about it before I got to the part in your comment where you mention it lmao. I think it's hilarious but I see where they were coming from. I've thought about making a video on it sometime because it's so funny to me. Actually way back in the very first part of this series me and Fourthcast joked about it (it's been a long time inside joke between us because we both found it hilarious). Here's the link to the exact part if you're curious: th-cam.com/video/-dSl7U51lVs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=k41EUos6sb06oYHt&t=207 I agree with your observations about the norse mythology connections and I definitely think they were intentional. I remember there was a push to call the final arc of the series Ragnarok back when it first started, which I thought sounded cool, but in retrospect would have been incredibly cheesy lol. Thank you for your comment!
That moment is indeed great, I love how it also changes Eren's declaration of wiping "them" out from that of a little boy desperately crying out in anger at an unjust world, to that of a terrifying monster set out to completely obliterate it. It threw me for a loop because him yelling it from the inside of Santa's stomach even after being decidedly defeated and losing 2 limbs, was one of the series' defining moments in my mind for years. It's the first time that Eren's hatred towards the titans is ever really satiated in any capacity, and at that moment, after seeing all the terrible things they're responsible for, it's extremely cathartic to see Eren still defying them to the bitter end and of course getting a bit of payback, I love how even while laser focused on the other titan he still makes sure to step on Santa's neck, as if in that moment killing titans is more of an instinct than a conscious decision, it's almost humorous how second nature it is to him. Then the Rumbling arrives in Marley and now all of those things that made that moment so awesome are turned on their head. Eren's hatred has long since been satiated (it's probably more accurate to say it was suppressed by nihilism but my point is he doesn't really have a burning hatred towards Marley or the rest of the people of the world), his refusal to give up is now no longer a rebellion against the cruelty of the world, he has become that unrelenting cruelty, and it's not cathartic to see him obliterate them because the past few battles have mostly involved Eren's side winning pretty decisively anyway. And of course it's now completely evident that killing actually is second nature to him, and that he's not gonna stop just because he doesn't have the excuse of it being justifiable anymore. Lastly, The Eotena Onslaught is a joke amongst my friends too lmao. I do think it's largely pretty stupid, and they certainly didn't do themselves any favors by clarifying their choices through a bizarre fake QA session, but still, I can appreciate the thought they put into it.
25:00-26:00 I doubt blood will stay in the air as like that but when shot with big things travelling fast like rpgs etc human bodies kinda turn into pink-red mists for a few seconds so its partially right
1:35:49 he didnt see sashas dying because her death genuinely caught him off guard. Instead im guessing he saw the fight in liberio and him winning it (also him getting the warhammer titans power, its probably why he tries to instantly eat willy tybur when he transforms)
this is gonna be really bizarre and specific but did anyone else see like a fake spoiler/leak article a long time ago about how when they finally got to the basement in the manga there was a titan killing robot that kills off levi? i have no way to prove i saw this because it was on google+ and i was like 12 but i remember it vividly
The "evesdropping" joke is just trying to translate a pun which only really work's in Japanese. In the original Connie says "Eren no ie ga" which means "Eren's house" but sounds very similar to "Eren no yēgā" which means "Eren's Yeager".
I really believe that the 3rd Lost Girls OVA had a much bigger significance than it first appeared. Rly wanted to hear your opinion about the episode-things like the pomegranate, or the butterfly which appears multiple times during the openings and endings. I am convinced, that the parallel universes, which Mikasa sees are in fact made by Eren. Just like in the cabin scene, Eren wants to encourage Mikasa to deal that final blow and the scene with the mirror man in the OVA is like a pretext for that. Eren wants Mikasa to stop making up escape routes from the inevitable, which is his death. Thus by masking himself under the mirror man he simultaneously acts like a part of Mikasa that can't move on from his death. By saying something along the lines of "You have to kill me first, become strong and return to your world" he means you will have to kill the hesitance in yourself and as we saw in Erens last moments, blow the final blow to me. This OVA is in fact canon too, if you compare the scenes after Mikasa awakens in the 7th episode, you can see how she had given up on her life and in one moment found the courage in herself. Confused she even asks why I am standing up, or struggling. To me, this is a great episode that is definitely worth diving into.
I appreciate your analysis of it- I apologize that our commentary on it probably let you down haha. I've seen it a few times but I just haven't been able to pull much meaning from it. Viewing it from the perspective that it's the same as the cabin scene is interesting and definitely makes me more interested in revisiting it at some point. I didn't mention this in the video but I think it's interesting how the anime adaptation rearranged it to take place after Uprising, so I wonder if there's any significance in that.
@@invaderzz NOO man, it never let me down. The reason I have been invested in the series so much is by a large portion thanks to your videos. Just thought to share my take on the episode, nothing more. Didn't quite understand what you meant in the end by rearranging. I think they just added Mikasa's flashback when it most fit. In that scene, Mikasa is worrying about Eren's fate because of his nature of forever striving for more. Probably that, or the butterfly on the pomegranate made her think back to the moment when she last saw it. The first scene in the flashback is also rly interesting. The butterfly escaping from death or in that case the mantis. Feels like the butterfly is supposed to represent Eren and the mantis- Mikasa. So what would happen if Mikasa never decided to kill Eren in the end. It's also shown in the second ending too. Mikasa and the mantis, which bites off its partner's head. Or the butterfly crushed under the feet of colossal titans at the end of the Rumbling opening. Couldn't say what that represents, probably Eren's dreams crushed in the rumbling, IDK. I mean, the openings and endings relating to the story in this anime are in a league of their own, as well as the lyrics of the osts. Makes me feel like not a single word in this series is being said in vain. Damn, think Im talking to myself at this point😀
@@tsverokiller7773 You're all good! To clarify when I mentioned that it was rearranged, I was referring to how the OVA episode includes scenes placing the episode after episode 49 (because we see in the OVA they're using the "executioner from hell" made from Eren's hardening at the end of the uprising arc). However in the Lost Girls manga, those scenes aren't there. Good catch regarding the butterfly/mantis imagery btw.
I have been waiting for this video! Quick question though. At 1:35:30 you say the anime made what Eren saw when he kissed Hitoria's hand more clear, but how? I don't recall any difference on how they explain that part as opposed to the manga
It's not that the finale addressed that directly, it's just that I feel the dialogue changes make it more evident that Eren's main goal from the start was *genuinely* to wipe out the world outside the walls, and him knowing the entire time that Mikasa would kill him and end the titan curse just doesn't really line up with that. There was a lot of debate for a long time over whether Eren's entire actions in the latter half of the story were primarily to set up his friends as heroes and achieve peace. However, the anime made it way more explicitly clear that Eren's main motivation was his own selfish goal, and setting up his friends as heroes was a secondary objective. I think that if the opposite was true (and Eren did everything to help his friends), the anime would have *emphasized* that he knew about his own defeat from the start, but we didn't see anything of the sort. Hopefully this somewhat makes sense- I haven't watched the finale since last November, and I'll be able to give more detailed thoughts once it's more fresh in my memory.
At 1:01:00 you say that you’ve never seen something pull of the genre shift so perfectly but Berserk did it first no? Especially starting with Berserk 97’, the eclipse ending the Golden Age Arc is equally mind blowing cuz all fantasy elements in the anime are bread crumbed up to the eclipse which really changes everything. It’s part of the reason I think the 97’ anime works better as an intro than the manga.
Additional thoughts about some of the 2nd half of the vid. Not very long dw. Just got to tempted and had to write down some thoughts. So yeah the scale for the island is horribly fucked. It's kinda a shit situation. So yeah, as you said it can't be the case that it's unironically the size of Madagascar cus well A, as you said the dimensions we're given for the walls wouldn't fit on there. But B, and more importantly imo. Let's say you disregard the given perimeters and called it filler. It's still problematic in the context of the last arc. Because there'd be to few wall titans for Eren to crush 80 percent of the world. So, as you said maybe the AoT world is just enlarged right?................. Welllll yeah that can't be the case either. Because Isayama did a little thing where he gave the speed of the Wall Titans to us........and he also kinda gave us the amount of time the rumbling goes on............as well as the percentage for how much work it got done........yeah he really fucks himself here. Because if it was true that the world was enlarged, and the Colossals are going at a speed of around 30+ MPH for 4 days straight? Yeah, he ain't killing that much people. It isn't possible. So..... for me, it seems clear Isayama unironically just thought Madagascar was bigger then it actually is. Cus otherwise his measurements for the final arc are fairly good. What I typically roll with. Unironically here. I'm not joking. I just say Paradis is like 1/7th the size of Marley and the maps are just wrong lol. I know it sounds insanely goofy. But if you just made Paradis way bigger and ignored the maps. All the problems with this are suddenly fixed and nothing substantially would be different.....but if you don't accept this cus it sounds to goofy. Then this is probably AoTs most detrimental plot hole. It's quite problematic. Anyway tangent over. Peak video.
One thing I really like about the Marley and War for Paradis arcs is that they come off as a sick parody of the Uprising arc. The Yeagerists do the exact things Erwin was opposed to doing, on account of them being bound to elicit the exact consequences he was trying to avoid.
Regarding what Eren saw in the future, do you think Armin/Isayama is "bullshitting" the viewer in the finale talk where Armin says "so that's the future you saw at the medal ceremony" when Eren talks about everything? Because I feel at that point he has no reason to lie (Isayama) but maybe Armin is just assuming and Eren didn't really confirm it on screen at least. I tend to believe Eren was partially setting himself up as the boogeyman of this universe and accepting his role as a piece of shit villain post Ramzi scene and part of him, due to his intense self-loathing, wanted to die and be stopped for his crimes because he believed he deserved to die, hoping if anyone's going to do it it should be his friends for political reasons, future memories or not (since that whole "I wanted to make you heroes" thing is very controversial in part due to what Eren saw or didn't see even though it clicks fairly intuitively to me for Eren no matter the memory shenanigans).
Armin definitely is not bullshitting there; it just wouldn't make sense for Isayama to intentionally create more confusion in the final chapter of the story. My take on Armin's line there is that it is simply Isayama's way of confirming to Armin (and reaffirming to the audience) that Eren did in fact see the future back then- I think Eren's lack of refutation is just for the sake of keeping the dialogue (which was already quite bloated) to a minimum. I think it's also worth noting that it isn't quite clear what Armin is asserting that Eren saw. Eren: "The only thing I know for sure was the result of Mikasa's choice. All of it has been to arrive at that result. That's why I moved forward. Killing 80%, forcing you to fight each other on Paradis, and getting my friends wrapped up in this battle without knowing you'd survive it." Armin: "That's the future you saw at the medal ceremony." It's certainly true that Eren did see himself killing billions of people, and it is seemingly also true that Eren knew about the conflict that would happen on Paradis and that his friends would end up in the battle. Since these are all true statements, it's not exactly clear whether Armin is referring to *those parts exclusively* or if the bit about Mikasa is also included. If the former is true, I think it may go back to what I said- had Eren refuted Armin here, and begun to explain which future visions he got at different times, it would have bloated an already dense chapter with mostly irrelevant exposition. I think it's also worth noting that the main reason this line caused so much debate for a few years was because depending on how it was interpreted it could change the meaning behind Eren's motivation for doing the rumbling (whether he did everything for his own selfish goal, or if, from the start, it had all been to save his friends). However, the anime added dialogue explicitly confirming that Eren's primary motivation was selfish. So I think that this supports the idea this dialogue was, at least, not Isayama's confirmation that Eren knew from the start he'd be stopped. Hope this makes sense, sorry if I rambled a bit.
Funnily enough, the dub actually confirms Armin's statements lowkey, because Eren there responds "Yeah but.." (and he goes on about the Dina thing) whereas in the sub he makes no statement on Armin's line, lol. Add that to the unfortunate dub script moments. Anyhow, I suppose part of my point was that Eren's character writing "quality" does not really hinge on knowing for sure this part we're discussing, since as you say his primary motivation in the anime should be crystal clear, and other aspects of him serve as secondary motivations or rationalizations and flimsy pseudo justifications for an emotionally convenient, disturbing and childish action (which certainly add a lot of depth on their own but the story does not fall apart without them). But I also think you made a good point on how that exchange could be interpreted as well which makes enough sense to me.
43:47 Erwin was definitely the best strategic choice, my boy would have joined the Mid East Alliance and then turned it into the AoT version of N.A.T.O
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Dont care about the video, I’ll watch it later. Do you still think Eren was wrong for the rumbling? Would let the world kill you, your friends, & your country? Rmb all did was be born into this world.
He repeatedly endangered his friends, actually got two of them killed, got the head of state assassinated, compromised national security by being AWOL on Marley, compromised national security by compromising most of the entire military (by directly cooperating with the enemy on his own to mark them for titanization), and set his countrymen against each other. The Rumbling startup was so hasty that people didn't have time to get away from the walls and got crushed in the rubble. He did all that for an indiscriminate slaughter that also killed plenty of people who were born into this world just like him. Putting aside the blood he spilled, it wasn't "the world" that was going to try to kill them if he never validated their fear in the Marley raid-- the diplomatic assembly was to convince the world to join forces to attack Paradis in the first place. The will and unity wasn't there prior to that. Even with all of that, Yelena gave him a very specific plan to use a limited Rumbling to cripple Marley economically and literally prevent them or the Global Allied Fleet from reaching Paradis, which would have killed a whole lot less people while still protecting the island and allowing them to bargain for peace from a position of strength. Beyond all that, it wasn't _just_ about protecting the island and his friends. He outright says so, he feels terrible about that truth, and it's why he likens himself to Reiner (the person who ruined his life)-- not even he thinks his actions are moral. His multiplicity of motivations is the only way one can make sense of him doing things that endangered the very island and friends he ostensibly wanted to protect.
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Only 4 months since the last video, not too bad, right guys? In actuality this video was a ton of fun to make. RTS is an awesome arc and I'm really proud of how our commentary turned out this time. The next video will focus only on the Marley arc, and being 8 episodes, it *should* be much easier for me to get out quickly.
Side note: at the end of this video (around the 1 hour 42 mark) we rank/discuss Lost Girls and our discussion of the first episode is probably the hardest we've ever laughed in one of these videos.
Do a vid on lost girls ova bra
@@Bandog23Youre gonna love the end of this video
@@Bandog23 We do in this video, 1:42:35
@@Bandog23 yea wish they did hopefully in the next one
@@invaderzz I just wanted to say that as someone who (doesn't think the rumbling is justified) thinks the ending was change and that the E+H=Y stuff and the Akatsuki No Requiem MV stuff and even some of the Mikasa Muv Luv time loop stuff had truth to it I cannot stand when people act like Eren's was justified and whilst I do not agree with your interpretation of Eren (I am more of a: "The Genius of Eren Yeager's Character, by Soul" enjoyer) I must say when I saw the Erwin colossal titan stomping with the rumbling I burst out laughing on the spot cause like it was so stupid that image like people don't actually think that would happen I couldn't believe it legniamately, and it is just another lovely reminder not to associate with other ending haters, unless I want to laugh. anyways great vid keep up the good work, also like you say that the fandom split started with Armin and Erwin, and for the most part this is true but in the end it is incoonsistent, cause there was splits as early as Eren X Mikasa and Eren X Historia people (I am not a shipper I simply look at the manga and consider what may have been coming based on that and Isayama's words), then there was the Ymir X Christa shippers spilting into those groups and then the some of each sort of merged into both the Erwin and Armin groups and then Yeagerism and then did the ending come when, and each time people were changing sides like when Erwin fans went against Yeagerism or when Armin fans thought the ending was bad, basically it is never 1-1 between each group like it's not Yeagerist+Erehisus+ending haters V alliance fans+Eremika+ending defenders these traits are mixed together everywhere there are EHs anti rumbling and alliance fans who hate the ending and that is just that. But it is just sad to think that to some people the idea we should group or elimate them all and us V them, the idea that the ideology of us and them is wrong somehow being a hot take, it is just sad
thank you for reading
33:09 The final rush of horses, everyone screaming, and Zeke's remark: "All that screaming. What good is it going to do you?"
Then, seeing Levi in the air, Zeke does the same-he screams. And it doesn't help him at all!
I love that part.
The most satisfying takedown in all of AoT. I LOVE how everyone acts in character! Annie can spank the scouts because she trained with ODM gear. She knows its weaknesses and techniques. Zeke has ZERO experience with it. But he's no dummy. He does the logical thing and covers his nape, but Levi goes for the eyes. Then he takes down the legs because LEVI knows that Zeke can easily outrun him in an open field. Only after Zeke is neutralized does he cut him our
Sometimes I forget how insane the basement plot twist/genre change really is. This channel and others got me really deep into the AOT lore. Now that the show is over, I’ve been able to step back and enjoy other things. However, rewatching this video and remembering how insane the story gets (especially with the obvious patterns to our world) is a lot of fun and jaw dropping every single time.
Thank you guys again for the content.
Guys so there is somehthing you guys kind of missed about Zeke being able to Remove the vow renoucing war. The reason Zeke is able to remove the vow wasn't simply because he had spent so much time in the paths, but it was rather because he was the only member of the royal Bloodline to be in the coordinate without having the founding titan. That's why the vow didn't apply to him. He talks about it as soon as he mentions how long he had been in the paths. He specifically says that him being there that long made him understand it. Think about it. All members of the royal family who had been in the paths with the coordinate were there with the founding titan. No one had ever tried what Zeke and Eren had. So Zeke was there as a royal blood member without being in possession of the founding titan. Hence Ymir obeyed him and he gained the power of the coordinate.
I have always been a bit confused about this actually and I had never really put it together that that was why. But now that you pointed it out it makes perfect sense.
@invaderzz My specific interpretation of Zeke's wording is that while the Vow Renouncing War still applies to Zeke, not having the Coordinate allowed him to nullify it, but he needed all that time in the Paths to figure out how.
@@cameronwallace8265this is actually the perfect interpretation.
This is true, but the fact that Zeke says anything at all is what makes this so confusing. Zeke and Eren touched in Shiganshina with the explicit and well communicated goal of circumventing the Vow. Ksaver proposed the theory to Zeke. Eren confirmed it by adding his experience with Dina to that. They both already knew the vow wouldn't apply. The twist is that Zeke was in charge because he had Royal blood and not Eren, even though he had the Founder. The twist is that the power isn't "power" at all, it's just who Ymir listens to. She listens to the Royal blood because she still serves the king.
This line makes no sense. There's no reason for Zeke to have to "figure out" how to nullify the Vow, he knew it would be nullified. That was their whole plan. The Vow never affected him because he didn't hold the Founder. Obviously not all Royals are affected by the Vow, otherwise Frieda would never have changed like Uri said she did. Eren of course wasn't affected by the Vow either because he's not Royal.
So the fact that Zeke isn't bound is perfectly reasonable. What's so confusing is why he said it at all, and why he said it took him a long time to do. I have no idea why he says this and as far as I can tell, no one else does either. By all accounts, it makes no sense.
I might be missing something, because based on this model, there's no reason for killing Zeke to stop the Rumbling. The power is Ymir's, not Zeke's. So maybe there's a different interpretation that makes more sense. If so, I haven't found it. I don't think this explanation does anything for it either, as I explained, Zeke knew full well the Vow would be nullified, there's no way around that.
@@TechnoSamBelpois So based on what you're saying, there actually really was no vow applying to any of them since they both don't meet any of the criterias.
Zeke wasn't bound by the vow because he didn't have the founding titan, and eren wasn't bound by the vow because he didn't have royal blood. So they both knew they could use the power in this way by being together, but they didn't know who would be able to use the power.
Or rather Eren thought he would because of Dina, and Ksaver also thought it would be Eren(founding titan) because of his research. Ksaver had previously said that the user of the founding titan would be the one to make the final use of the power, but this isn't what happens.
So this implies that Ksaver didn't know about Ymir the founder obeying the members of royal blood and assumed Zeke wouldn't have the power, because Ymir wasn't in his research, or he didn't know the vow wouldn't apply to Zeke because he didn't have the founder.
Either ways Zeke being in the paths for that long probably made him understand all this and also understand Ymir herself and how the power works. He then used that knowledge and power to nullify the vow entirely. Not because he couldn't use it because of the vow but just to make sure there wouldn't be a vow if any sort of theatrics happened with Eren. After all there was still a lot about the paths he didn't know.
About the rumbling, I don't have much of a clue about that, so i'll leave that up to you.
as someone who only started watching aot in 2021, these videos are always really fun to hear anecdotes about how the fandom reacted to these events in the story
I'd love to see you cover major AoT Manga to Anime differences in a video series! I think that'd be pogcellent
I have an observation about the "graphic regarding size of the walls" linked in the description.
The math about the approximate wall sizes and area covered seems quite accurate.
But as seen in the 3rd image down, the walls are wobbly, not perfect circles.
When calculating the number of colossal titans they treated the walls as circles, like most people do.
But just as a wobbly string's true length isn't known unless it is pulled taut, a wobbly wall's true capacity is greater than that of a smooth wall. So there would be considerably more colossals in the wall than most people calculate.
The sausage scene and your two laughs killed me. That scene is just strange and yet fascinating on how it must have come to be.
I actually loved Lost Girls 3 bc it’s kind of another way of showing us that even if circumstances were different, Eren is still going to strive for his idea of freedom. It reinforces the whole Nature v Nurture thing with Eren.
Also I actually like the details about the scouts disbanding and the wall being sealed. In this version of events, Riener and Burrito don’t break the wall. The scouts at this point have just been viewed as a joke and a way for the government to keep the idealistic people satisfied/kill them off. The implication here is that the mission to seal wall Maria was the only thing that kept the scouts afloat
Oh my y’all r actually such an enjoyable duo to listen to. I need more
The reason why Marley only sent Zeke was because, if they sent their entire military force.. they'd have no military force. It's a recovery mission. The Warriors have been gone for 5 years with no sign of coming back. So they send Zeke and Pieck to get them back. They also only send as few people as possible because actually getting to the walls is dangerous as fuck. There's nothing but titans for miles. The other titan shifters can deal with that no problem, especially ones like Annie or Pieck who can stay in their titans for long periods of time. But a full on military invasion? You have to get through all that. It's also important to remember that, while to the scouts, titans are killable, to the rest of the world titans are near immortal.
yooooo how did i miss this being uploading by almost a week! y'all are so back and excited to watch y'all rank my favorite arc!
I like how the medal ceremony has been ruined now because I can’t unsee the people in the background
Lmao
Idk if this is true but the Big mouth/ red shirt guy at 41:09 ‘s name is Walen X. Schartzen. You can find it on hero’s wiki
I'm losing my mind at this because you're right, he does have a page on the heroes wiki, but as far as I can tell it's completely made up. Like there's no source for his name being that, I think whoever made the heroes wiki page just came up with it. This is way too funny
@@invaderzzthat’s what I was thinking but there’s no other page like that so I was confused. But for my own head canon and with my mates we just call him Walen lol
@@invaderzzI was able to find a second source on his name. But it’s on personality- database and it talks about the guys personality type. I didn’t look into it any further cause it wanted me to download an app. But incase you’re wondering Walen has a ISTP personality.
not suprising that the hero wiki would just make a name up for him without any source and state is as though it was a fact
Something that struck me in the decision episode was floch standing up for himself and defending erwin. It cemented him as an actual character and not just a background chracter getting hand-waved by the main characters.
some heart surgeon somewhere just left the op room because he heard the invaderzz video for the best arc just came out
the dude with the unfinished heard surgery will understand
dude with the unfinished heart surgery is probably watching along
He dedicated his heart.
Just binged all this, so fantastic. I can’t wait to see the next parts. This will be my comfort series for so many years to come. You guys have such good banter bouncing back and forth while also having so much cool info. This is the best AoT content on this platform.
Thank you, that genuinely means a lot to us!
Ight, peakington time. This'll be interesting.
This opening spoils a lot if you pay close attention lol. I tell people to skip it when first watching the arc.
Oh wow I've never noticed the breathing tube how weird lol. Feel like the audience missing it is similar to how the scouts miss it.
I think people who hate the AoT ending typically would say this is there favorite arc? And people who love the ending probably rank it top 3 under Marley and WFP. Which is where it's at for me. But the quality difference is really close for sure.
Yeah they're for sure underestimating Paradis here. But I mean, it was always the warrior units mission. And they probably couldn't imagine Zeke ever failing an operation.
Also the warriors have to keep the scouts here. One of the reasons the Scouts are coming here is for the secret in the basement. Imagine If the Colossal just fucked up every house in Shiganshina, they could hypothetically get rid of it. But then if the scouts get here and see a ruined Shiganshina I mean....good chance they retreat thinking this is a trap. The warriors are trying to make it seem like there's a slim possibility they're not here to ambush them for this one moment.
Oh yeah, most of Erwins characterization is in S3. He just suddenly gets really good this season.
IDK a lot about gates, but the gate part of the wall still has to open so they can go in and out of the districts right. I'm assuming mechanically that's what the holes are for. What I just realized is it doesn't make much sense that King Fritz would install gates to the outer districts of Maria, because he doesn't want his people leaving the walls to find Marley right.....but then I realized he wants Marley to invade eventually and steal the founder. So the primary reason there's gates in those outer districts kinda gets recontextulized in a really fucked up way.
Yeah the tactics back and forth between both sides are so peak. But something I will say that's interesting are all the tactics are more explicitly explained and narrated to the audience in a way for them to understand. Which I'm okay with, but it's something that S4 mostly lacks and I fuck with it. Like when the Beast is on the wall throwing rocks from above at Reiner and Porco, not letting them get to Eren. The series doesn't explain to the audience why Zeke isn't climbing down and just getting to Eren. It trusts the audience to be smart enough to figure out why by what Zeke's clearly doing right now. A lot of that trust in his audience to figure out plot stuff like that without it being explicitly told sorta ended up biting him in regards to the final arc and people's response to it. But it's something I personally appreciate.
The conversation between Eren and Armin definitely carries episode 50 for sure. Fairly important.
If you pay attention to Reiner climbing the wall. He takes forever lol. The manga is much better at displaying the time passing and how long it's taking Reiner. Anime time kinda makes this feel weird.
Ight, so tbf to the Reiner consciousness thing. It makes sense to show it here because he absolutely needed it later on when he's in his Armor Titan. There was no way to progress the plot without him transferring his consciousness there. Otherwise he's just straight up dead or captured in that scene. So the consciousness transfer def existed for when he's in titan mode. And as for this, Isayama probably saw it and thought.....I mean it'd be more believable then him surviving a sword through the neck right. So he just used it here. Personally, never had a problem with this in story telling in general. You're allowed to introduce a new mechanic with 0 setup. As long as it makes sense before and after. It's why I never found the ghost in Lord of the Rings to be all that problematic even if it's last minute. That's just now how I see a deus ex machina. The key component to a deus ex machina is not the lack of set up for me, it's the fact that it doesn't make sense narratively.
Really cool detail. But when Erens running away, Reiner thinks of the possibility that he may run back to Shiganshina and get home. But the scouts think of the idea of Eren doing a pincer attack with Eren coming up behind the Beast, and the scouts over the wall attacking him from the front. But the reason Reiner doesn't think it's a concern is because he knows about the rock thing, and the scouts don't. Pretty neat.
Yeah and scout Ymir going to Paths is kinda fuckin weird btw. I would've retroactively cut that from Clash cus it does create unnecessary confusion.
So.....something scary to think about in regards to Eren and Zeke touching here. Obviously, as Invaderzz said. They probably wouldn't go into paths. What would likely happen is Zeke's titans start attacking him. Because Erens intent while touching Zeke is to destroy him. Not to get into Paths. So it wouldn't even happen to begin with. But let's pretend it did.....pretty sure Zeke doesn't figure out about how to break the vow. Cus he figured that out due to Gabi blowing Erens head off, and the time it took for Ymir to fix Erens head, is when Zeke figured it out. But this time, there repair period wouldn't exist. So Zeke unironically wouldn't know how to break out of the chains lol. Kinda interesting.
God, the arms thing in the nape looks so uncomfortable jesus.
Okay. We're only 2 eps in and this message is already way to long I'm so sorry. I'll try to minimize more of my thoughts loool.
I'd say for Bertolt a lot of his character is finding his own way to cope with the wrongdoings. Cus like Reiner and Annie, he realizes what they're doing is wrong. But he copes with it very differently then they do. And the way he goes about it is just accepting that this is the way of the world and there's no changing that. He's kinda the ideal warrior in the context of Marley. if Reiner and Annie ended up like him things going forward would probably be fairly different.
So 1 thing on the size scaling thing. Yeah WIT def fucked it up here. Erens just to small. But I will say Isayama made a mistake with the walls obviously. 50 meters is far to small for what he was going for. He needed to aim Game of Thrones wall height for sure. Comparing the walls to the houses in the city and then saying the walls are only 50 meters is pretty crazy lol.
I appreciate the Spongebob references from Wally despite not knowing any of them.
Ya know about the King Reiss thing lol. Zeke saying the ruler of the walls being the Reiss Family when how would he know that? Pretty weird minor mistake, and it's weird the anime didn't fix it.
Well.....the idea is the brain is still recovering right. Like clearly his head isn't fully recovered, just enough to place his consciousness back in it. But surely his brain being blown to bits would have some initial consequences.
True 4th degree burns won't kill you. But 60 meter drops will lol.
I'd actually say it's S tier. Levi vs Beast Titan is really good, as is Armins sacrifice. But I actually think the Armor titan bit isn't on par. Compared to ep 1, 31, 79, 80, and 87 where all of it feels pretty consistently peak. This is similar to Perfect Game to me where it's almost there, but some parts hold it back from perfection. Just me though.
Well antis would call it bad writing that he's supporting it as a ghost right? Probably not relevant to point that out. Otherwise I think I agree? He might've been more assertive with Eren and the 50 year plan. IDK how Zeke and Eren would've plotted against Erwins orders compared to Hanje.
Hanje and Armin were more passivistic about their approach. And....based on what you're saying your arguing Erwin wouldn't have been but......IDK. It's hard right. The ideals of the scouts are all about trying to find understanding in a world that wants anything but. Regardless the scouts naively try searching for that understanding no matter what. So when they go to Marley to try and figure things out. It's already treated like this has a fairly low chance of working and it's really naive. But they still go for it regardless cus that's the Survey Corp....IDK if Erwin would've been pragmatic about it in the sense that he wouldn't risk bringing the founder into enemy territory. He would've just gone along with the 50 year plan right there. Or if he would've done what Hanje did with the naive hope idea. It's really hard to say, and I can see multiple arguments for and against it.
Alright this is tooo long. I'll enter here and just leave it at that. Need to find a way to make it smaller for S4 cus oh boy......
It's funny you mention the wall in game of thrones, because there's a famous anecdote where GRRM panicked upon realizing that he made the wall way bigger than he intended.
Great comment as always, we really really value your feedback
Idk how I've never considered the Reiss thing because yeah I can't think of any way he could have known.
I think you're also correct about Eren and Zeke now that I think about it- I wonder if Zeke would have been aware of the risks if Eren had attacked him during that battle. He knew Eren had the founder at that point already, and Ksaver had already taught him how to get around the vow renouncing war. If Eren started charging at him, I wonder if Zeke would have started running to try to avoid contact (knowing that if Eren touched him he'd be able to send Zeke's own titans after him).
Great points all around, sorry I'm not able to respond to all of it. I always appreciate your comments on these videos. And thank you for the $5 btw.
I think, and have thought for months since reviewing the series again that one of the biggest core themes of this series has been about the Scouts and their idealism. Some are rugged and pragmatic but think about it, their entire concept, as confirmed by numerous accounts through dialogue in the series, has been about idealism and hope. Their job is and always was a suicide mission, that's the idea we're presented from the very first episode. The debates for Erwin's survival are very understandable, but the choice, thematically, was always Armin and Isayama knew that. I mean Armin is no contest the most hopeful character in the entire series, and Levi, who survives as the last remaining member of the “old regime” of Scouts, knows *exactly* what it means to be one. Everyone embodies the Scouts. Eren embodies the tenacity, Mikasa embodies the strength, Hange, the curiosity, Erwin, the strategy, but Levi and Armin have always embodied the ideas the most. The slim chances, the tough decisions, the selflessness, the ungodly amount of killing but also the continuous strive to move forward and hold out to those small hopes. They are by no means perfect but they have always been the most cognizant of their flaws.
god i love these vids. i just want to point out that there is an argument to be had about armin being the better choice for the scouts even pragmatically. erwin is undeniably the best leader and overall planner, but i would argue that armin is a bit smarter and quicker. if there is something to deduce, armin is already there before anyone else even thinks about it. it's also hard to say what erwin would want to do after the basement lore drop (levi even considers this when making his choice), while armin's dream is pure, unmotivated by trauma and is not a burden for him. i would also add that armin doesn't hesitate to abandon his dream and sacrifice himself, while erwin probably needed levi to make the choice for him. in my opinion my boy armin is the better choice no matter how you slice it, but i respect that most people prefer erwin when it comes to practicality. just my two cents
Really well said, all great points
And now we wait for war for paradis aka the only other arc to match this one 😫 awesome video guys!
I was going to fucking RIOT if Hero wasn't put into S+ tier. I love that no matter the opinions on the rest of the show, 99% of people agree that Hero is just absolutely incredible. Between the animation and character moments, it's just so fucking good
Funny story for me about the “To save Mikasa and Armin, and everyone else” line
When season 4 part 2 was coming out, I was catching my gf up on the show and we watched that episode, and then that night “Memories of the Future” dropped and it was probably one of the most satisfying moments of the show for me how that all connected
Best series on TH-cam is back! My hot take of the day is that Descent is a top 5 episode in the show for me, excited to watch the video and see where it places. Y’all are awesome, keep up the great work!
Moblit’s death genuinely upset me. Terrible arc
Crazy
fire video from my favorite TH-camrs. Invaderbased and basedcast
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55:30 - Isayama actually answered what happened to Erwin's body. So, after some time Levi returned there to take back Erwin's bones and give him a proper funeral. He only took Erwin, so we don't know if anyone took care of the hundreds of other bodies just laying on the ground out there
ayyyeee they’re back! love this series! keep up the great work guys 👊
So the thing about Mikasa’s Lost Girls is that the manga actually takes place when Mikasa falls down in Trost. To me it appears that Mikasa’s subconscious is trying to make her come to terms with Eren’s death.
The wall gets sealed because the Warriors never attack.
Also, the hot air balloon replaces an airplane!
Also, the reason the roof tiles go flying after Reiner punches is because I think the force of his punch blew them off, not that he punched the roof
I know I just replied to you on twitter but are you telling me that armin made an AIRPLANE in the manga??
@@invaderzz I genuinely would recommend reading the manga versions cause they are pretty fun, and again the artstyle is really unique! I haven’t read the light novel versions so if there are differences there I couldn’t tell you. The mikasa one though does have an interesting I guess epilogue where Mikasa confronts Annie about her ring while they’re in the cadets, and then it cuts to Mikasa telling Annie to fall in Stohess. The OVAs cut a lot!
@@invaderzz Presumably, it was a terrible airplane.
@@invaderzz read the manga, there are some interesting cut lines about Eren which initially seem to fuel AnR theory, but then go on to reinforce Eren's canon ending.
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We are so back!
You already know that I’m watching this in full.
32:47 I find this line of Zeke's very interesting. He already knows that he ought to enjoy the little things, but he still needs reminding of that exact thing by Armin in the end.
I interpreted it as Armin completing his knowledge, that-- more than needing to enjoy the little things-- he can construct his own meaning of life through that enjoyment.
But, yeah, I found that line interesting as well.
i wait for these videos like christmas man
Love these vids
We are so back! Please don't take this long next time!
I love the opening and it’s one of my favorites because I feel like it has similar vibes to Guren no Yumiya and sort of brings pre-Marley AoT to a close concluding the whole journey.
"you know how long ive been waiting for this?" - Gambit, Deadpool and Wolverine
this is gonna be a gem
Really love these since you point out so many details I missed its so cool!
Just started this series and finished the uprising episode this morning. Unreal timing on this upload
That's amazing lmao. Hope you've enjoyed it. Out of curiosity, how did you find the series? Was it in your youtube recommended or did you find it because you watched another one of my videos?
@@invaderzzThe eren video and the various episodes of this series kept popping up on my recommended. I watched the eren one and then these were always at the top of my suggested after that
ON MY BIRTHDAY! LETSGO! This is my favorite arc, so I’m excited to get some popcorn and vibe with yall
Happy birthday bro
@@Fourthcast thanks dude!
Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
“Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns!” he said.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
“Forward, the Light Brigade!”
Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
Someone had blundered.
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of hell
Rode the six hundred.
Flashed all their sabres bare,
Flashed as they turned in air
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army, while
All the world wondered.
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right through the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reeled from the sabre stroke
Shattered and sundered.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.
Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell.
They that had fought so well
Came through the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.
When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
All the world wondered.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Light Brigade,
Noble six hundred!
Love these videos so much. Your enthusiasm and love for the series bleeds through in every piss take you make lmao.
Shoukei To Shikabane No Michi slander though, terrible vid. I really like how it ends with the shots of the land beyond the walls and quietly creeps into the basement at the very end
It’s finally here!
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41:30 Even as a huge dub fan and prefers it, I legit had to pause the episode for a sec cause I was just flabbergasted, like till this day I’m just like “wha-…huh?” any time I hear it.
i dont get it, what is even wrong with it?
@@randomcommenter-gy9rp”Yeah! Hell yeeah!” Sounds like some flamboyant guy excited over something small, not a mentally exhausted and desperate man trying to save his best friend.
WFP is definitely the best arc in Aot. Perfect Game, Hero, Midnight Sun and That Day are definitely the top 4 best episodes at the time they aired, only to be rivaled/surpassed by season 4 episodes like Declaration of War, Two Brothers, Memories of the Future, etc.
I love The Road of Longing and Corpses sooo much, it's one of my favourite opening songs. And just like The Last Titan its full song makes it sound significantly better and the lyrics are incredible.
Lets go! Stoked to watch this whole thing at least 10 times
The king is back.
35:57 I think falling was part of the plan, Eren was likely saying "shit" because he realized that Armin was lying to him and was probably going to kill himself.
Now that we’ve finally gotten to the WW2 parallels, I wonder how you feel about the “AoT is actually fascist” takes (though I suppose Wally went over that by mentioning how much better AoT handles these themes compared to Code Geass). I vehemently disagree with them, but I do wonder why they seem to pop up from otherwise well-meaning people. Like I can see the argument that the parallels to real life events are sloppy/tasteless (even if I don’t agree), but outright claiming the show is fascist completely contradicts the actual text of the anime/manga. Especially after the one line that could possibly be construed as pro-rumbling, the “mass-murderer for our sake” line, was changed for the anime.
Also the idea of you being so mad at the meme of Erwin supporting the rumbling that it inspired a whole video is really funny.
Though I think my favourite bit from this series is Eren being a sea denier and Wally being like it was just a grift 😭
I think the people who claim the show is fascist don't know what fascism is, and don't know that what AOT is emphatically saying is completely at odds with any kind of authoritarianism (since authoritarianism in general relies on an extreme "us-versus-them" mentality to justify itself).
Dude finally LETS GO. Watching this tonight as I fall asleep.
I've had a theory on the Scout Ymir/Historia scene. I know Reiner was watching her like a hawk, but perhaps Ymir snuck a few drops of her blood in the ink? Maybe a small poke with the pen?
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I’m surprised that it was not noted that Levi also severed Reiner’s spine which was also not showed in the spinal version to have been hit only the nape
33:19 I thought that it was weird to show Marlo’s body being hit and fully intact when he was already hit and a boulder struck his head
Let's goooooo another part
I love a lot of post-timeskip AoT but return to shiganshina really is a perfect anime arc
You could argue Ymir had her blood in the ink, or something.
I've always really loved the "Shingeki no Kyojin" reveal, throughout the first two thirds of the series you'd interpret it to mean "The Advancing Giants", because that's what you see happen, the kyojin moving in on humanity's last bit of territory, it seems to be what the series is about.
And then we get the bombshell that no this is not the story of advancing giants, it's the story of *The Advancing Giant*.
It's probably the best title drop I've ever seen in anything and the only one I can think of where it also functions as a bit of a plot twist that completely reframes the story itself, it's a shame that you can't really preserve it in English due the the way the language is structured, I wonder if the word vomit that is the official English title stems from a poor attempt at preserving the twist?
On the note of weird localization the choice to call them "titans" is a bit of an odd one, "kyojin" literally means "giant human" so "giant" would make a lot more sense as their English name, it's also what they were called in the Japanese version of Chapter 2 of the manga (the image showing the walls at the graduation ceremony labels the area outside the walls "Giant Field" in full English) which was likely written before they came up with "Attack on Titan".
The kyojin themselves also bear more of a resemblance to jötunn from Norse mythology than they do the titans from Greek mythology, they're freakish looking creatures that devour humans, created from someone named Ymir, whereas titans were just the same as the gods but before them, not really known for eating people or being especially large.
SnK itself of course has many similarities to Norse mythology, the giant tree with serpent like creature below its roots (side note: "The source of all living matter" could be interpreted as the pool of water Ymir fell into, since water is the source of life in the real world, I doubt that's what Kruger meant but I think it's an interesting interpretation), the rumbling obviously resembles Ragnarök and it even has a giant serpent like creature that expels a "poison" into the air as one of the big forces the good guys have to fight against.
The coordinate itself resembles Yggdrasill, being a sorta otherworldly place that connects everything, it even starts out with having 3 branches similarly to how Yggdrasill has 3 roots, and Yggdrasill houses the nine worlds similarly to how the nine kyojin are rooted in the coordinate.
I'm probably reaching a bit with some of these, but if you look for it you can easily find many elements from Norse Mythology thrown in by Isayama.
If you remember the "The Eotena Onslaught" fan translation from way back in the day, "eoten" is essentially an English bastardization of "jötunn", and while that translation has it's own slew of problems it seems like they put a lot more thought into it than the official translator did.
I'd recommend reading their "The “Eoten” Manifesto", despite it's... questionable structure, they do provide a lot of interesting tidbits about the kyojin/jötunn parallels, it's what sparked me to look into these similarities in the first place.
This comment turned kinda rambly, mainly just to explain why I called it "The Advancing Giant(s)" and to rant a bit about how awful the English title is.
Great video as usual, it's always fun to see how many tiny details you two pick up on.
Lastly I just wanna say that I think they played the OP in those latter episodes because it allowed them to cut out 3 minutes of animation, which was probably very helpful when they were already struggling as much as they were with getting it done on schedule.
Great point about the Shingeki reveal. I wish we'd have talked more about it in the video. I do have some more thoughts on it that we may or may not talk about when we get to season 4 part 2- mainly I really love the scene where the Marley guys see Eren coming and they scream "Shingeki no Kyojin" in terror. I really love it recontextualizes the meaning of the series again and reframes what the title means (going from a force for good to one of evil).
I actually started typing up something about the Eotena Onslaught to ask if you knew about it before I got to the part in your comment where you mention it lmao. I think it's hilarious but I see where they were coming from. I've thought about making a video on it sometime because it's so funny to me. Actually way back in the very first part of this series me and Fourthcast joked about it (it's been a long time inside joke between us because we both found it hilarious). Here's the link to the exact part if you're curious: th-cam.com/video/-dSl7U51lVs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=k41EUos6sb06oYHt&t=207
I agree with your observations about the norse mythology connections and I definitely think they were intentional. I remember there was a push to call the final arc of the series Ragnarok back when it first started, which I thought sounded cool, but in retrospect would have been incredibly cheesy lol.
Thank you for your comment!
That moment is indeed great, I love how it also changes Eren's declaration of wiping "them" out from that of a little boy desperately crying out in anger at an unjust world, to that of a terrifying monster set out to completely obliterate it.
It threw me for a loop because him yelling it from the inside of Santa's stomach even after being decidedly defeated and losing 2 limbs, was one of the series' defining moments in my mind for years.
It's the first time that Eren's hatred towards the titans is ever really satiated in any capacity, and at that moment, after seeing all the terrible things they're responsible for, it's extremely cathartic to see Eren still defying them to the bitter end and of course getting a bit of payback,
I love how even while laser focused on the other titan he still makes sure to step on Santa's neck, as if in that moment killing titans is more of an instinct than a conscious decision, it's almost humorous how second nature it is to him.
Then the Rumbling arrives in Marley and now all of those things that made that moment so awesome are turned on their head.
Eren's hatred has long since been satiated (it's probably more accurate to say it was suppressed by nihilism but my point is he doesn't really have a burning hatred towards Marley or the rest of the people of the world), his refusal to give up is now no longer a rebellion against the cruelty of the world, he has become that unrelenting cruelty, and it's not cathartic to see him obliterate them because the past few battles have mostly involved Eren's side winning pretty decisively anyway.
And of course it's now completely evident that killing actually is second nature to him, and that he's not gonna stop just because he doesn't have the excuse of it being justifiable anymore.
Lastly, The Eotena Onslaught is a joke amongst my friends too lmao.
I do think it's largely pretty stupid, and they certainly didn't do themselves any favors by clarifying their choices through a bizarre fake QA session, but still, I can appreciate the thought they put into it.
Best? That's WfP sir (but I'm kidding, RTS is sick too). Can't wait to see this when I get a chance to
The title is definitely a little hyperbolic, I'd say WfP is about equal for me in terms of greatness!
25:00-26:00 I doubt blood will stay in the air as like that but when shot with big things travelling fast like rpgs etc human bodies kinda turn into pink-red mists for a few seconds so its partially right
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1:35:49 he didnt see sashas dying because her death genuinely caught him off guard. Instead im guessing he saw the fight in liberio and him winning it (also him getting the warhammer titans power, its probably why he tries to instantly eat willy tybur when he transforms)
The panel wherein he heard about it is in the collage of memory panels in chapter 130.
this is gonna be really bizarre and specific but did anyone else see like a fake spoiler/leak article a long time ago about how when they finally got to the basement in the manga there was a titan killing robot that kills off levi? i have no way to prove i saw this because it was on google+ and i was like 12 but i remember it vividly
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I will work diligently for your survival, but no promises
@@invaderzz Dont worry YOURE THE GOAT
The "evesdropping" joke is just trying to translate a pun which only really work's in Japanese. In the original Connie says "Eren no ie ga" which means "Eren's house" but sounds very similar to "Eren no yēgā" which means "Eren's Yeager".
AHHH IM SO GLADD THIS IS OUTT return to Shiganshina is my favorite arc!! 🙂↕️🙂↕️
I really believe that the 3rd Lost Girls OVA had a much bigger significance than it first appeared. Rly wanted to hear your opinion about the episode-things like the pomegranate, or the butterfly which appears multiple times during the openings and endings. I am convinced, that the parallel universes, which Mikasa sees are in fact made by Eren. Just like in the cabin scene, Eren wants to encourage Mikasa to deal that final blow and the scene with the mirror man in the OVA is like a pretext for that. Eren wants Mikasa to stop making up escape routes from the inevitable, which is his death. Thus by masking himself under the mirror man he simultaneously acts like a part of Mikasa that can't move on from his death. By saying something along the lines of "You have to kill me first, become strong and return to your world" he means you will have to kill the hesitance in yourself and as we saw in Erens last moments, blow the final blow to me. This OVA is in fact canon too, if you compare the scenes after Mikasa awakens in the 7th episode, you can see how she had given up on her life and in one moment found the courage in herself. Confused she even asks why I am standing up, or struggling. To me, this is a great episode that is definitely worth diving into.
I appreciate your analysis of it- I apologize that our commentary on it probably let you down haha. I've seen it a few times but I just haven't been able to pull much meaning from it. Viewing it from the perspective that it's the same as the cabin scene is interesting and definitely makes me more interested in revisiting it at some point. I didn't mention this in the video but I think it's interesting how the anime adaptation rearranged it to take place after Uprising, so I wonder if there's any significance in that.
@@invaderzz NOO man, it never let me down. The reason I have been invested in the series so much is by a large portion thanks to your videos. Just thought to share my take on the episode, nothing more. Didn't quite understand what you meant in the end by rearranging. I think they just added Mikasa's flashback when it most fit. In that scene, Mikasa is worrying about Eren's fate because of his nature of forever striving for more. Probably that, or the butterfly on the pomegranate made her think back to the moment when she last saw it. The first scene in the flashback is also rly interesting. The butterfly escaping from death or in that case the mantis. Feels like the butterfly is supposed to represent Eren and the mantis- Mikasa. So what would happen if Mikasa never decided to kill Eren in the end. It's also shown in the second ending too. Mikasa and the mantis, which bites off its partner's head. Or the butterfly crushed under the feet of colossal titans at the end of the Rumbling opening. Couldn't say what that represents, probably Eren's dreams crushed in the rumbling, IDK. I mean, the openings and endings relating to the story in this anime are in a league of their own, as well as the lyrics of the osts. Makes me feel like not a single word in this series is being said in vain. Damn, think Im talking to myself at this point😀
@@tsverokiller7773 You're all good! To clarify when I mentioned that it was rearranged, I was referring to how the OVA episode includes scenes placing the episode after episode 49 (because we see in the OVA they're using the "executioner from hell" made from Eren's hardening at the end of the uprising arc). However in the Lost Girls manga, those scenes aren't there. Good catch regarding the butterfly/mantis imagery btw.
@@invaderzz Damn, didn't know there was a Lost Girls manga🙃 gotta check it out. Appreciate yo responses. Keep the great work up, brother❤️
I loved the lost girls bit haha. Carly was actually really cute. I want to hear her scream. Haha
“No please get off me” haha
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I have been waiting for this video! Quick question though. At 1:35:30 you say the anime made what Eren saw when he kissed Hitoria's hand more clear, but how? I don't recall any difference on how they explain that part as opposed to the manga
That's referring to Eren talking more on what he saw in the final special iirc
It's not that the finale addressed that directly, it's just that I feel the dialogue changes make it more evident that Eren's main goal from the start was *genuinely* to wipe out the world outside the walls, and him knowing the entire time that Mikasa would kill him and end the titan curse just doesn't really line up with that.
There was a lot of debate for a long time over whether Eren's entire actions in the latter half of the story were primarily to set up his friends as heroes and achieve peace. However, the anime made it way more explicitly clear that Eren's main motivation was his own selfish goal, and setting up his friends as heroes was a secondary objective.
I think that if the opposite was true (and Eren did everything to help his friends), the anime would have *emphasized* that he knew about his own defeat from the start, but we didn't see anything of the sort.
Hopefully this somewhat makes sense- I haven't watched the finale since last November, and I'll be able to give more detailed thoughts once it's more fresh in my memory.
I'm surprised you didn't comment on it, but at 35:24, Reiner looks like handsome Squidward lmao.
I was waiting for that too lol
At 1:01:00 you say that you’ve never seen something pull of the genre shift so perfectly but Berserk did it first no? Especially starting with Berserk 97’, the eclipse ending the Golden Age Arc is equally mind blowing cuz all fantasy elements in the anime are bread crumbed up to the eclipse which really changes everything. It’s part of the reason I think the 97’ anime works better as an intro than the manga.
The Berserk manga started off being overtly dark fantasy, though.
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no pieck was at 40:10, thats eren and crispy armin
43:41 was the attack titan on the right in the manga or was it added for the meme?
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29:59 does this mean the dead soldiers are actually there in spirit?
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F********** I NEED season 4 but I feel like it’s ganna be a year till then
Additional thoughts about some of the 2nd half of the vid. Not very long dw. Just got to tempted and had to write down some thoughts.
So yeah the scale for the island is horribly fucked. It's kinda a shit situation. So yeah, as you said it can't be the case that it's unironically the size of Madagascar cus well A, as you said the dimensions we're given for the walls wouldn't fit on there. But B, and more importantly imo. Let's say you disregard the given perimeters and called it filler. It's still problematic in the context of the last arc. Because there'd be to few wall titans for Eren to crush 80 percent of the world. So, as you said maybe the AoT world is just enlarged right?................. Welllll yeah that can't be the case either. Because Isayama did a little thing where he gave the speed of the Wall Titans to us........and he also kinda gave us the amount of time the rumbling goes on............as well as the percentage for how much work it got done........yeah he really fucks himself here. Because if it was true that the world was enlarged, and the Colossals are going at a speed of around 30+ MPH for 4 days straight? Yeah, he ain't killing that much people. It isn't possible. So..... for me, it seems clear Isayama unironically just thought Madagascar was bigger then it actually is. Cus otherwise his measurements for the final arc are fairly good. What I typically roll with. Unironically here. I'm not joking.
I just say Paradis is like 1/7th the size of Marley and the maps are just wrong lol. I know it sounds insanely goofy. But if you just made Paradis way bigger and ignored the maps. All the problems with this are suddenly fixed and nothing substantially would be different.....but if you don't accept this cus it sounds to goofy. Then this is probably AoTs most detrimental plot hole. It's quite problematic. Anyway tangent over. Peak video.
While season 4 was pretty good, i think when it comes to animation, story, emotion etc. Return to Shiganshina PEAKS
Bro were is the last season please drop ❤ thanks 😊
Thank you so much for reminding people that Erwin would never support the rumbling and the jaegerists wouldn't even be a thing if he was still alive.
One thing I really like about the Marley and War for Paradis arcs is that they come off as a sick parody of the Uprising arc. The Yeagerists do the exact things Erwin was opposed to doing, on account of them being bound to elicit the exact consequences he was trying to avoid.
@@seg162 so true and that's so sad. Just another corruption.
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Regarding what Eren saw in the future, do you think Armin/Isayama is "bullshitting" the viewer in the finale talk where Armin says "so that's the future you saw at the medal ceremony" when Eren talks about everything? Because I feel at that point he has no reason to lie (Isayama) but maybe Armin is just assuming and Eren didn't really confirm it on screen at least. I tend to believe Eren was partially setting himself up as the boogeyman of this universe and accepting his role as a piece of shit villain post Ramzi scene and part of him, due to his intense self-loathing, wanted to die and be stopped for his crimes because he believed he deserved to die, hoping if anyone's going to do it it should be his friends for political reasons, future memories or not (since that whole "I wanted to make you heroes" thing is very controversial in part due to what Eren saw or didn't see even though it clicks fairly intuitively to me for Eren no matter the memory shenanigans).
Armin definitely is not bullshitting there; it just wouldn't make sense for Isayama to intentionally create more confusion in the final chapter of the story.
My take on Armin's line there is that it is simply Isayama's way of confirming to Armin (and reaffirming to the audience) that Eren did in fact see the future back then- I think Eren's lack of refutation is just for the sake of keeping the dialogue (which was already quite bloated) to a minimum. I think it's also worth noting that it isn't quite clear what Armin is asserting that Eren saw.
Eren: "The only thing I know for sure was the result of Mikasa's choice. All of it has been to arrive at that result. That's why I moved forward. Killing 80%, forcing you to fight each other on Paradis, and getting my friends wrapped up in this battle without knowing you'd survive it."
Armin: "That's the future you saw at the medal ceremony."
It's certainly true that Eren did see himself killing billions of people, and it is seemingly also true that Eren knew about the conflict that would happen on Paradis and that his friends would end up in the battle. Since these are all true statements, it's not exactly clear whether Armin is referring to *those parts exclusively* or if the bit about Mikasa is also included. If the former is true, I think it may go back to what I said- had Eren refuted Armin here, and begun to explain which future visions he got at different times, it would have bloated an already dense chapter with mostly irrelevant exposition.
I think it's also worth noting that the main reason this line caused so much debate for a few years was because depending on how it was interpreted it could change the meaning behind Eren's motivation for doing the rumbling (whether he did everything for his own selfish goal, or if, from the start, it had all been to save his friends). However, the anime added dialogue explicitly confirming that Eren's primary motivation was selfish. So I think that this supports the idea this dialogue was, at least, not Isayama's confirmation that Eren knew from the start he'd be stopped.
Hope this makes sense, sorry if I rambled a bit.
Funnily enough, the dub actually confirms Armin's statements lowkey, because Eren there responds "Yeah but.." (and he goes on about the Dina thing) whereas in the sub he makes no statement on Armin's line, lol. Add that to the unfortunate dub script moments.
Anyhow, I suppose part of my point was that Eren's character writing "quality" does not really hinge on knowing for sure this part we're discussing, since as you say his primary motivation in the anime should be crystal clear, and other aspects of him serve as secondary motivations or rationalizations and flimsy pseudo justifications for an emotionally convenient, disturbing and childish action (which certainly add a lot of depth on their own but the story does not fall apart without them). But I also think you made a good point on how that exchange could be interpreted as well which makes enough sense to me.
43:47 Erwin was definitely the best strategic choice, my boy would have joined the Mid East Alliance and then turned it into the AoT version of N.A.T.O
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Marley arc >>>>>>
Also the last good arc of the series before it turned to shit.
Dont care about the video, I’ll watch it later. Do you still think Eren was wrong for the rumbling? Would let the world kill you, your friends, & your country? Rmb all did was be born into this world.
He repeatedly endangered his friends, actually got two of them killed, got the head of state assassinated, compromised national security by being AWOL on Marley, compromised national security by compromising most of the entire military (by directly cooperating with the enemy on his own to mark them for titanization), and set his countrymen against each other. The Rumbling startup was so hasty that people didn't have time to get away from the walls and got crushed in the rubble. He did all that for an indiscriminate slaughter that also killed plenty of people who were born into this world just like him.
Putting aside the blood he spilled, it wasn't "the world" that was going to try to kill them if he never validated their fear in the Marley raid-- the diplomatic assembly was to convince the world to join forces to attack Paradis in the first place. The will and unity wasn't there prior to that. Even with all of that, Yelena gave him a very specific plan to use a limited Rumbling to cripple Marley economically and literally prevent them or the Global Allied Fleet from reaching Paradis, which would have killed a whole lot less people while still protecting the island and allowing them to bargain for peace from a position of strength.
Beyond all that, it wasn't _just_ about protecting the island and his friends. He outright says so, he feels terrible about that truth, and it's why he likens himself to Reiner (the person who ruined his life)-- not even he thinks his actions are moral. His multiplicity of motivations is the only way one can make sense of him doing things that endangered the very island and friends he ostensibly wanted to protect.
This flopped
AoT is shit...disliked the video
thats just your opinion. disliked your comment