W.E.B. DuBois vs Marcus Garvey | 1920's Black History
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I am back with a new video, let me know what you think. This one is about Marcus Garvey and W.E.B DuBois. It contrasts the differences in how they approached their Pan-African work in the early 1900's. It is in an abstract style, to capture the soul of those times.
This is not about pointing out their flaws, but to give you the real, un-exaggerated history. True self development requires you to examine the flaws in your heroes and your own self. We can acknowledge their highs and lows without taking away from their contributions!
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Dive into the captivating world of Pan-Africanism through the eyes of two of its most influential figures: W.E.B. Du Bois and Marcus Garvey. This enlightening video explores the remarkable lives and contrasting philosophies of these iconic leaders. Discover how Du Bois' intellectual and culturally rooted approach to Pan-Africanism differed from Garvey's pragmatic and socially-driven perspective.
What You'll Learn:
- The distinct approaches of Du Bois and Garvey towards black empowerment and Pan-Africanism.
- How their backgrounds shaped their views on race, culture, and politics.
- The impact of their ideologies on the global black community and the Pan-African movement.
What You'll See:
- Artistic, abstract expressionist representations of key moments and concepts from Du Bois' and Garvey's lives.
- Visual contrasts between Du Bois' intellectualism and Garvey's focus on tangible progress.
- Symbolic depictions of their challenges, achievements, and the societal contexts they operated in.
What You'll Experience:
- A deep dive into the complex narratives of two leaders who reshaped the course of African and African-American history.
- A visual journey that brings to life the emotional and ideological nuances of Du Bois and Garvey.
- Engaging insights into the legacy of Pan-Africanism and its relevance to contemporary discussions on race and identity.
Join us in exploring the dynamic legacies of Du Bois and Garvey. Whether you're Team Garvey or Team Du Bois, this video promises to deepen your understanding of these monumental figures. Don't forget to share your thoughts in the comments, give us a thumbs up if you find the video informative, and hit the subscribe button for more content like this!
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Respect to Booker T, Dubois, and Garvey. They all tried!!
But it was W.E.B that also wanted Garvey gone only to find out in old age that he did a terrible mistake......
Duboise is overrated and very influential that whole time period is misunderstood in large part to Duboise
If we had followed the teaching of Marcus, THE HONORABLE MARCUS GARVEY, WE WOULD BE AT THE TOP, IN EVERY AREA OF OUR LIVES.
BP did follow the teachings of M. Garvey. The government came in and pressed charges against him and then, deported him back to Jamaica.
If you do your it's easy to find out that Marcus Garvey is a FRUAD
AMEN !!!!
W.e.b. dubois and antenor firmin are the founder. not Garvey. Google antenor firmin founder of pan-africanism.
@@EdenSophia118Garvey did not pioneered the movement or funded it. w.e.b. dubois and antenor firmin did. Google antenor firmin founder of pan-africanism.
It's an insult to compare them! to study marcus is a must 👊🏿
TRUTH TO POWER!!
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When DuBois really wanted to get "radical", he was accused of being a "communist" by the US who was not threatened by his economic approach for his people.
DuBois would later escaped to no other place than a country that was economically practicing the Garvey model in Ghana.
Kwame Nkrumah in his youth days lived on 125th Street in Harlem, NY, and had consumed Garveyism. He'd later used the "Black Star" concept in his new nation's national flag, the Black Star shipping Line, and the Black Star football Team.
Du Boiss could not go to Liberia because Liberia was not only a colony of the US but also a Firestone Tire "slave plantation".
DuBois knew very well that pale people's lack of melanin is what made them to "redicule" dark-skined people due to deep-seated envy and jealousy, and should not be on a public stage and using it to remind us as something positive that pale people could use to legitimize their existence, rather he should have spoken the truth on the color line.
But its all good when he got woke to join Kwame Nkrumah in Accra until his death which we all can agree on would make Marcus Garvey smiling in the ancestral world.
We all should take a good lesson from this on who the expoliters of our souls refer to as "refined" and to support them until they morphed into "unrefined" to truly lead us on the path of true economic liberation.
I have to agree with this statement!!! It seems wrong and divided… we have to be very careful. Respect to the LEADERS who came before me and paved a way!!! Ase’ 🙏🏾🙏🏾
@@pebblesleak8214 respect someone who was a stumbling block towards garvey Self-reliance movement?
In college, I had the pleasure of writing an essay on Marcus Garvey. When I had the opportunity to reflect on the lives of a variety of former Black leaders; Marcus Garvey led the list. He was a True Entrepreneur and Pioneer for the growth and development of Blacks around the globe. He would have been the first Black BILLIONAIRE!
Marcus Garvey? Ground work from the bottom to the top and anything between.
Did you include his meetings with the KKK and collusion with contemporaneous white supremacy ideologues for his own monetary gain?
Both of them
They were more similar than I previously thought. No time to pick sides when so many enemies out for both.
Team Marcus Garvey. Probably because we share the same profession: Printing. A United Africa with a cooperative economy. In Ghana today, one can visit the WEB memorial AND feel the spirit of Marcus Garvey all around. Kwame Nkrumah referred to Marcus Garvey as the most influential spirit in his life. Let's meet at Black Star Square in Accra.
lol Nkrumah was a tyrant that married a white woman
Love the artwork! Interesting and detailed comparison.
It's beautiful.
I wonder if it was created specifically for this video, or they were already out.
@@ShaneM420 I believe it is AI generated art made specifically for this video. It is an example of how AI can be used properly without exploitation.
@@houseofvenusMD who made it?
@@ShaneM420 no clue, but several strange shapes in background objects suggest AI generated the images. It could also just be the specific style of a human artist, but I don't know as there are no references to the origin of the artwork in the bio.
From the textbook of Willie Lynch. Keep them separated and confused.
I am team Garvey all the way. The problem with my black people ,we can never share a common goal to uplift our people.. It's always our ideological differences that hold us back from progress. Other ethnic groups comes to america ,get a good education and build wealth.,then they go back to their country and share the knowledge and wealth with their people.
I agree with you wholeheartedly!!
1. There are not "your" black people. There are just black people, unless you desire to be a dictator.
2. Your statement that other people come to the US to work and then leave is largely false; if it were true, there would be no Dearborn Michigan( oldest Arab population), Torrance California( Japanese), or little Havana( with Cubans)in Miami.
3. DuBois and Garvey themselves are proof that the best way "to work together " is to work with others who share your views, which means you can not use skin complexion as the criteria for cooperation.
This video is BS💩
To call DuBois a Pan African before he actually left for Africa is nonsense.
It was the fact that the NAACP was NOT founded or FUNDED by black people, but Jews like the Spingarn Bros that 🧐 ultimately turned on DuBois!
The problem is that Black folx fail to factor that Washington, Du Bois, and Garvey got a number things wrong in their views, as well as a number of things right. If we had taken time to use wisdom and discernment, we could weed out the bad and centr the good of each person.
Also, it’s weird to expect American Black to do what foreigners do since many of us don’t know where we come from exactly. Go back to what and to who?
@@JRCGuitarist You made some good points, but first as a people we must be mentally resurrected, and re-educated before we do anything collectively.. Knowledge of self is the key
Dubois was a thinker, Garvey was a doer in addition to being a thinker. Two great, if somewhat flawed, men.
DuBois, and the ‘talented 10th’ was an elitist not a Pan Africanist The Jewish puppeteers used DuBois and his contemporaries for their gains🤢 , at the same time suppressing any real revolutionary spirit. He went from talking about ‘ the red stain of bastardy’ , to being surrounded by ‘ blue veins’ 🧐
I'm team Marcus Garvey screw Dubois who didn't realize the set up til well after it
By the way the great Booker T. Washington had catch case with the same W.E.B. Dubois.He and Garvey shared the same thing when it comes to entrepreneurship,but died before Marcus came to the U.S.
Eu também sou da equipe de Marcus garvey. Saudações do Brasil.🇧🇷
Team Garvey here. Dubois was caught in the matrix and deeply entangled
With Jane Adams
True!!
When DuBois really wanted to get "radical", he was accused of being a "communist" by the US who was not threatened by his economic approach for his people.
DuBois would later escaped to no other place than a country that was economically practicing the Garvey model in Ghana.
Kwame Nkrumah in his youth days lived on 125th Street in Harlem, NY, and had consumed Garveyism. He'd later used the "Black Star" concept in his new nation's national flag, the Black Star shipping Line, and the Black Star football Team.
Du Boiss could not go to Liberia because Liberia was not only a colony of the US but also a Firestone Tire "slave plantation".
DuBois knew very well that pale people's lack of melanin is what made them to "redicule" dark-skined people due to deep-seated envy and jealousy, and should not be on a public stage and using it to remind us as something positive that pale people could use to legitimize their existence, rather he should have spoken the truth on the color line.
But its all good when he got woke to join Kwame Nkrumah in Accra until his death which we all can agree on would make Marcus Garvey smiling in the ancestral world.
We all should take a good lesson from this on who the expoliters of our souls refer to as "refined" and to support them until they morphed into "unrefined" to truly lead us on the path of true economic liberation.
Dubois figured out later that he was used
@@each1teach1academy43 Well,the joke was on him!!
Dubois was envious of Garvey because Garvey accomplished more in a short period of time than Dubois could. Plus, Dubois had an inferior complex that caught up with him later. Team Garvey all the way 🖤✌🏿
Backstabber WEB Duboise
Funny how Garvey preached back to Africa, but Dubois actually got citizenship in Ghana and died there.
I think it displays more irony than anything else. DuBois was an intelligent man but wasn’t effective for overall change within the greater black community. Much of it had to do with his elitist approach. Garvey on the other hand was more precise emphasizing identity factors that resonated with the common black man/woman and effectively utilized key economic factors as a vehicle for change. Hence, why he was more of a threat on the world stage to European powers. Dubois wasn’t.
Your comment says to me that you are not informed on Marcus Garvey, go and learn about the massive influence Marcus Garvey had on the African leaders at the time, the white world that have interest in the under development of Africa did everything in there power to stop him from entering the continent, Dubois was never a threat and he can go anywhere he wants, just do a little bit of reading on Marcus Garvey before you start talking. Marcus Garvey and is teaching to this day is the biggest threat to white supremacy and dominance.
The puppet leaders in the colonized states was told to band Marcus Garvey from all of Afrika, that's why Marcus Garvey never went to Afrika.
Ghana was British controlled at that time so who gave him citizenship?
@@wesleycopeland9184 It was not British controlled at that time, but you could have just Googled that. #dobetter
Team Garvey AND team DuBois. We don’t separate if we want freedom. Everything does not have to be an either or situation, it can be both and.
Im Team...They Should have worked Together 😮
Facts!
I believe the black community needed both men and their opnions and unique solutions equally. Unfortunately, in too many instances we (as a people) think we need to think one way or the other; pitting both solutions one against the other. Where a two prong or even a three prong approach to the issues at hand would have gone a far way to styme the issues instead. Sometimes our own ambitions, selfishness and ego works against our progress and delivers us directly into the arms of the enemy.
Wrong we didn't need King or Dubious both were dumb. History has proven that. We still last as a group . Dr Claude Anderson look him up.
Well that's not just us, that's everyone lol.
Well said ✊🏾
I am am more team Garvey (no surprise ); however, I do see some merit in Dubois philosophy,
It is just like the whole Malcolm X and MLK philosophies where I am more team Malcolm, but I am a great admire of MLK.
Thesis and Antithesis is required for synthesis. Good comes out of conflict sometimes.
Our 1st National Hero Marcus Garvey🙏🏿🇯🇲💯💯
I am with Marcus Garvey.
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When DuBois really wanted to get "radical", he was accused of being a "communist" by the US who was not threatened by his economic approach for his people.
DuBois would later escaped to no other place than a country that was economically practicing the Garvey model in Ghana.
Kwame Nkrumah in his youth days lived on 125th Street in Harlem, NY, and had consumed Garveyism. He'd later used the "Black Star" concept in his new nation's national flag, the Black Star shipping Line, and the Black Star football Team.
Du Boiss could not go to Liberia because Liberia was not only a colony of the US but also a Firestone Tire "slave plantation".
DuBois knew very well that pale people's lack of melanin is what made them to "redicule" dark-skined people due to deep-seated envy and jealousy, and should not be on a public stage and using it to remind us as something positive that pale people could use to legitimize their existence, rather he should have spoken the truth on the color line.
But its all good when he got woke to join Kwame Nkrumah in Accra until his death which we all can agree on would make Marcus Garvey smiling in the ancestral world.
We all should take a good lesson from this on who the expoliters of our souls refer to as "refined" and to support them until they morphed into "unrefined" to truly lead us on the path of true economic liberation.
@@Agboka but wasn't he?
If only they had worked together.
You better pick side and wisely I might add, cause onside is unwittingly or knowingly working for the enemy and that is a problem.
that is one of the problems attached to us all the time@@fuoks4880
I feel like Garvey would fight with you , Dubois might call the cops & say something like: let's be rational.
I could be wrong !?
"Know who you are." Marcus Garvey
agreed !!!
@@bobmarley9835 Yep!!
I won't choose adding fuel to an old fire. Great work! I can see this opening up a few mines. Kwame Nkrumah president of Ghana studied these men and then tried to unify Africa before being exiled. We need one of these black billionaires to put their money where their mouth is. Buy some land, invite us to come, then say Black America is open for business. Then we fight to get back every patent or intellectual property right or art form that’s ever been stolen or appropriated, and put up a sign that reads “Black America is Open for Business.”
Hmmmm. Fantasy. No such billionaire forthcoming. Take a hard look at them. They make their money ( in entertainment and sport mostly) on us but they are about that “ money, power and respect.” They got two out of three. We need Black Power for all of us and no one is going to give us that. We gave to take it. I never heard of anybody giving power away. No one funds revolution but revolutionaries. What we need as a people is a new mind . The rest will flow from that but not unimpeded. Prepare to fight. We’ve done everything else but this time the stakes are even higher. Fight to win not to settle or negotiate by throwing the lower castes to the hyena. Until we do: Ho hum…messianic dreaming about a charitable rescue. Scoffing and coughing. Nothing personal. Both/and not either or. Talented tenth⁉️ Too much heavy lifting. Garvey’s Pan Africanism lost ground because of martial opposition , internal contradictions and no doubt agents provocateurs. but the idea that nations of any color are not about empire was and is a naive idea. From the both of them! Look at Africa today. Is it for the Africans or a few elite just like you know whom. So until we advance, we’re stuck here with the either or and insufficient analysis of the both and. The contradictions have to be addressed for a critical analysis to set off a critical mass. Physics. IMHO. That color line ish is still a major barrier. It is the origin of our discontents! Get rid of that and watch us improve our social, political and economic situations en masse. Not accepting an Afro pessimist world view. Not At all but things like the problem of the color line ( DuBois) that are not faced cannot be changed. A win is never guaranteed but we get what we want in life by perseverance. PerioT.
We don't need to be capitalist.
@@vnorm2907 Business didn't begin under capitalism...
Both had points but Garvey had a more practical realistic idea of our success and independence, I’m team Garvey for sure
Love the animation, as a history teacher this visual is epic!
They should both be kept recorded in history as historical figures. In terms of right and wrong, both were wrong to criticize each other in a negative light, publicly. Ppl saying team Garvey seem not to see it that way though. Y'all think as if it's a historical fact that Dubois hated Africa. If that were a fact, then I'd be team Garvey too. But!.... that's not the case. Neither got it right. Being afraid to say that means that you have no issue turning a blind eye, even when your own ppl are wrong for hating their own. #teamneither
Team Garvey for me!
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As a 68-year-old black male it’s hard to say, without taking some more time to study both of these two men. Being born in 1955 and seen something saying that they also saw. I know both sides are right in their thoughts. But living in today’s society, we are seeing some of the same things that they saw in the 40s and 50s so I would have to study this some more before I can actually take who is a better of the two men
When DuBois really wanted to get "radical", he was accused of being a "communist" by the US who was not threatened by his economic approach for his people.
DuBois would later escaped to no other place than a country that was economically practicing the Garvey model in Ghana.
Kwame Nkrumah in his youth days lived on 125th Street in Harlem, NY, and had consumed Garveyism. He'd later used the "Black Star" concept in his new nation's national flag, the Black Star shipping Line, and the Black Star football Team.
Du Boiss could not go to Liberia because Liberia was not only a colony of the US but also a Firestone Tire "slave plantation".
DuBois knew very well that pale people's lack of melanin is what made them to "redicule" dark-skined people due to deep-seated envy and jealousy, and should not on a public stage using to remind us as something positive that pale people could use to legitimize their existence, rather he should have speak the truth on the color line.
But its all good when he got woke to join Kwame Nkrumah in Accra until his death which we all can agree on would make Marcus Garvey smiling in the ancestral world.
We all should take a good lesson from this on who the expoliters of our souls refer to as "refined" and to support them until they morphed into "unrefined" to truly lead us on the path of true economic liberation.
When DuBois really wanted to get "radical", he was accused of being a "communist" by the US who was not threatened by his economic approach for his people.
DuBois would later escaped to no other place than a country that was economically practicing the Garvey model in Ghana.
Kwame Nkrumah in his youth days lived on 125th Street in Harlem, NY, and had consumed Garveyism. He'd later used the "Black Star" concept in his new nation's national flag, the Black Star shipping Line, and the Black Star football Team.
Du Boiss could not go to Liberia because Liberia was not only a colony of the US but also a Firestone Tire "slave plantation".
DuBois knew very well that pale people's lack of melanin is what made them to "redicule" dark-skined people due to deep-seated envy and jealousy, and should not be on a public stage and using it to remind us as something positive that pale people could use to legitimize their existence, rather he should have spoken the truth on the color line.
But its all good when he got woke to join Kwame Nkrumah in Accra until his death which we all can agree on would make Marcus Garvey smiling in the ancestral world.
We all should take a good lesson from this on who the expoliters of our souls refer to as "refined" and to support them until they morphed into "unrefined" to truly lead us on the path of true economic liberation.
In my opinion Dubois was today's Black Caucus and Black Liberal Elitists.
Not according to professor Cornell west
@@josephLindor-ki7opWell he is another kettke of fish.😊
FD signifier loves him some Dubois
"The Blackman wouldn't know himself until his back is against the Wall."-Marcus Mosiah Garvey.
FACTS!
Marcus was right. African American intellectuals followed Dubois and it hasn’t worked well. He told black people to stay in America but went and died in Africa. SMH.
Damn, I never thought about that LOL
The pan-african thing didn't work out we got a bunch of hateful Africans and Caribbeans here
One has colleges and an institution that still helps black people the other was a fat failed capitalist you sound ridiculous lol
And Marcus told blacks to go to Africa and died in Europe.
Now why do you leave that out?
@@vernonrobinson1685 he lived his life in Jamaica. He went to England for medical treatment and died. His body was then brought back to Jamaica. That is different than a man telling the blacks in America to stay and dying in Africa. It’s the irony and the hypocrisy of Dubois that I was pointing out. Dubois went after Garvey his entire life and lived to regret it because he saw value in what Garvey was advocating latte rings his life.
Team Garvey.Turns out team Dubois rejects African self reliance.
True.I m8ght be of mixed heritage but I agreevwith Marcus Mosiah Garvey.I am very much disappointed in W.E.B Dubois!He didn't had that vision like Marcus,for Marcus he was about Business and family orientation andcabout community.They go hand in hand without having things of your own how can you decide what and what,and make decision?.Even in nature you find the birds extract out of it to build for themselves and to benefit like every other creature.Why should Black people be any different when the other ethnic groups all help themselves into being self reliant and empowerment.That was what Marcus Garvey was aiming for Empowerment.
Socialist, comunist is 💩💩
The man who spent the better part of his life raising funds to commission and edit an Encyclopedia Africanus that would include the whole African diaspora and who died working on the project while living in the newly independent Ghana and employing African scholars reject African self-reliance? I think not. He was a pan-Africanist, too, like Garvey. He just mistakenly thought good yts would finance that effort.
@@nuffsez5625 Well,he learnt the hard way that they would never share power equally,at least Garvey knew himself,but Dubois on the other hand despite being birace or mixed he is just like another Blackman at the end of the day.And the enemy always reminds us that.
I believe we needed both of their understandings. As a black man I don't feel the need to choose, because both men illustrated massive positive actions and exhibited a greater intelligence and overstanding than most leaders of the time. We must stop pitting eachother against one another. We don't enjoy the luxury of separation or segregation from eachothers ideals. This division has weekend our structure and foundation and our movement has never recovered. Until we learn how to effectively politic between eachother we'll always be last in line in history, a history that could not have existed without us, were now throwing it away by natural decent.
Team Garvey✊🏽 No debate‼️
Very nice! Thank you!
W.E.B. DuBois (3:00-3:40) statement is exactly what's going on now. I came up with the same equation. This is 61 years after he died.
Most people from African descent don't realize that we're inside the matrix. Despite the term not being prevalent during DuBois' time, this is what he is saying.
Back then it was this now it’s entertainment. There’s always a consideration regarding who’s a gate keeper. Just saying, sensitization is the key to everything and everyone
Awesome breakdown great content do Dr. Martin Luther King Jr vs Malcolm X next will you?
Africans unite is where I stand and while I agree with both scholars W E B Dubois has the best ideas of uniting Africans the world over just as IB Traore
Booker T. Washington should be a part of this discussion since he also opposed Dr. Dubois' approaches. However, it is important to understand that the perspectives of all three gentlemen were very different since their backgrounds afforded them varying perspectives. It is the variances of perspectives that we may benefit from today since they are all valuable to the discussion of liberating Afrikan peoples around the globe. We can not continue to discount and demonize the works of these men based on perspectives. All three perspectives are valuable since they represent the varying conditions of the Afrikan around the globe. It is through thoughtful and meaningful consideration of all Afrikans and our various conditions that will allow for an effective liberation of the Afrikan. The world needs this liberation to be made manifest.
Appreciate some aspects from both men.
Team Marcus Garvey all day.
Legends
Dr.tyrone of Chester PA 😊
The dynamics between W.E.B. DuBois and Marcus Garvey could be likened to Malcolm X and Martin Luther King. Malcolm X had a plan - one that envisioned self-determination and independence. Martin Luther King SAID he had a DREAM - that ONE DAY whites would change. Martin Luther King and W.E.B. DuBois both promoted the ideal that the notion of black FREEDOM involved participation in and acceptance by whites. Marcus Garvey and Malcolm X promoted the notion that black FREEDOM involves making decisions for ourselves and a world where black people control their own resources. W.E.B. DuBois and Marcus Garvey WERE NOT FIGHTING FOR THE SAME THING. And neither was Malcolm X and Martin Luther King. Malcolm taught that if a man puts his hands on you to make sure that he never puts his hand on anyone else. Martin Luther King taught that "if there is any blood shed, let it be ours." Malcolm and Marcus taught black people to fight, MLK and DuBois taught blacks to submit to whites and hope they follow the constitution. #GTFOH
Well said....I appreciate your take on the debate.
Wow very good explanation thanks for it
Ain't gonna never ever happen!
It is what it IS!!!!!. NOW THE REAL QUESTION IS WHO AND
HOW ARE READY WILLING AND ABLE TO PAY THAT PRICE? 🤔👀👁️💯😳🤯⁉️
We cannot be team either or..the Great trick is, the "Great Game." We must be ourselves & take from both but continue as humans. It's ALL OUR ONLY HOPE
Both had some good ideas but based on this from what I just saw I like Marcus Garvey better
His words are golden.Wgen,I heard that 1925 speech I was like WOW!!
Team Marcus here, but Dubious had some serious outlooks on developing the melanated man to be intellectually equipped to take on that specific mission. Marcus on the other hand had resisted against repulsive entities and matters; therefore, bringing a togetherness through a collection of attractiveness and beauty of heritage for our sake and not necessarily for multi-cultural interwoven unity was far-fetched in having our own independent grip of what's ours
Learn from both of them, but more importantly understanding both of there perspectives.
Garvey had a Association with Plecker ,
I’m Team Pan-African ✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾 We must all stand together as One African People!!
Historically, we pit our leaders against each other. Then we feel led to pick one over the another.
For people saying there team this or that, there is no reason to choose or divide them, there both the same team, both levels of attack are necessary. That picking a side mentality is what divided them, thinking it had to be done one specific way. Thats what divided Malcolm & MLK. Theres a time to talk & a time to fight & you need people on your team for both occasions, can't win a war with just foot soldiers, you need air fighters too. Once we get that concept together we can return to our greatness. Until then we will continue to get in our own way
Being from the West Indies, my earliest experience was through a Garvey-Ite lens. But once I went to university DuBois philosophy seemed to resonate more.
Peace To You Too! They Was Both Great Men. But One Incorrectly Judged The Other!
Absolutely amazing content! I never knew garvey didnt trust dubois.
Dubois was an intellectual however he believed that that the black man's progress was contingent on the white man's approval...
Garvey’s concepts came from Brooket T Washington . This is really a Booker T vs Dubois debate .
lol not even close
I never knew or heard about dubois only Marcus Garvey you hearing about
I think by now we can see value in both their lives
Once the enemies know your plans, in their systems, it will be derailed. Obviously!!
Malcom X and Marcus Garvey were the realist and smartest of all our leaders. King Dubois the rest history has proven how dumb they were. We have integration and the talented tenth now and we worse off than ever .
What has integration done?According to Martin Luther King "it has brought us into a burning house."
In what way are we worse off than back in early and mid 1900s?
We don't or ever had true integration. That's the biggest myth hoteps teach.
@@mostmost1 It's obvious all a person has to do is open their eyes and look.
@@GodfreyTaiOyYong people still say it however. People swear MLK brought us integration.
Both are them our brother's stop with that division divide and conquer
I'm team both tables try to help I'm not picking one over the other I support both of them.
Team DuBois!!!
Explain why
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how would you have improved on his plan?
To even make a video outing them against each other is sad
When DuBois really wanted to get "radical", he was accused of being a "communist" by the US who was not threatened by his economic approach for his people.
DuBois would later escaped to no other place than a country that was economically practicing the Garvey model in Ghana.
Kwame Nkrumah in his youth days lived on 125th Street in Harlem, NY, and had consumed Garveyism. He'd later used the "Black Star" concept in his new nation's national flag, the Black Star shipping Line, and the Black Star football Team.
Du Boiss could not go to Liberia because Liberia was not only a colony of the US but also a Firestone Tire "slave plantation".
DuBois knew very well that pale people's lack of melanin is what made them to "redicule" dark-skined people due to deep-seated envy and jealousy, and should not be on a public stage and using it to remind us as something positive that pale people could use to legitimize their existence, rather he should have spoken the truth on the color line.
But its all good when he got woke to join Kwame Nkrumah in Accra until his death which we all can agree on would make Marcus Garvey smiling in the ancestral world.
We all should take a good lesson from this on who the expoliters of our souls refer to as "refined" and to support them until they morphed into "unrefined" to truly lead us on the path of true economic liberation.
In a world of consequential outcomes, activism is not destiny. Material success in a capitalistic world is the yardstick that earns respect, status, undeniable identity, cultural pride and social/economic mobility. Activism is a veritable instrument of demand, assertion and defence, yes, yes & yes. But it's not a substitute for grind, industriousness, responsibility and accountability. This is my reading of both of these giants of the Black struggle.
Very thoughtful and deep reading of the issue presented
Yes we do not need to follow their evil capitalist system.
We have others that work well for the benefit of all.
Gaddafi's Green Book is one.
This is the most succinct and powerful capturing of my perspective, experiences, and frustrations when it comes to the much easier path of "Activism" cpntinuing to be the prevailing choice of the Black counter culture and consciousness. Very well said. I will quote your post passage often in the near future as I am engaged in this very conflict within my own industry. It's the much like the Debois and Washington rivalry.
Both are great
I’m a follower of The Honorable Marcus Garvey ❤
Look up Garvey and Walter Plecker
We will fulfill our ancestors goals a The Federation of Africa before this decade end. A prosperous Federation of Africa with a very strong, big, and effective military power. One currency, passport, and one president.
Both! The Continent and its diaspora have diverse thinkers, approaches, aspirations, and skills. We need alignments of specialized "teams", not competition.
I'm a Gravey follower, but I respect ancestor Du Bois.
i'M BOTH Du Bois + GARVEY 🤜🏿✊🏿🤛🏿
W.e.B sold us out to Firestone tire company....Garvey had " Bigger plans " for us....Check out a book called " Race First" by Trinidadian author/ Dr.Tony Martin. That book will open eyes.
I am team Both!
While i do respect Dubois, i would have to be on the side of Marcus, who encouraged all our people to be great, no just the "talented 10th".
Sounds like a study in classism, colorism & tribalism. I hate that Dubois' Talented Tenth rhetoric cut out regular folk. I hate that Garvey tore Dubois down to make his points of being for the people. I know we're not all gonna hold hands by the campfire. But I hate, hate, hate that throughout history there has always been inner conflict in the struggle. I'm not picking a side. And can't a mf compel me to either 😅.
I am team Garvey 🇯🇲👊🏾
Team Garvey!
👏👏👏🇧🇷
any plan requiring us to get together FIRST, is dead before it begins.
when will we start thinking outside the box?
Unfortunately these two great leaders, Garvey and debois just like Malcolm & MLK, had the same goal but couldn't get past there difference to combine there intelligence. & Unfortunately Malcolm & MLK didn't learn from the example before them. With all the progress that each man accomplished, so much more could have been done if they could have got it together.
These drawings are 🔥 Team Garvey
Brilliant video
Both men should have worked together
Team Marcus all the way. .❤️💛💚🖤
how can anyone with the right mind comparing Dubois with this crazy dude .
Why you say that?
Team Dubois
DuBois was right. I noticed that the video omitted DuBois' role in Garvey being deported from the USA.
Team Garvey.
Just like today mostly boule look down on its melanated people as if we or ignorant but we are the back bone and spirit of our ancestors dubious was a intelligent 🧠🤓 man for his time but was a boot like for the Whyte supremacy of it's day Marcus Garvey was ahead of his time we could really use people like Marcus Garvey, brother Malcolm X, Even Martin Luther King woke up and realized his mistake we or get it together and I'm proud of Chicago melanated people an my FBA around the country get on code stay on code
Dubious intelligent? Yet didn't realize he was being played & used til well after the fact. AKA book smarts vs street & basic God given common sense smart. If I had to pick just one give me option 2
FBA? Marcus Garvey was Jamaican.
@@vnorm2907 yup he left Jamaica cause they didn't listen to him or back him which brought him to US and FBA held him down
@@jamesgreen5461 "what, what do you call second-class citizenship? Why, that's colonization. Second-class citizenship is nothing but 20th slavery. How you gonna to tell me you're a second-class citizen? They don't have second-class citizenship in any other government on this Earth. They just have slaves and people who are free! Well, this country is a hypocrite! They try and make you think they set you free by calling you a second-class citizen. No, you're nothing but a 20th century slave.”
― Malcolm X, The Ballot or the Bullet
@@jamesgreen5461 I thought FBA did not like Blacks not from the USA
I’m team both
Good one
Team Garvey all the way!
Empowerment!!
TEAM GARVEY (Without any doubts)
While Garvey WAS The moor PRAGMATIC
of The Two, DuBois was to show moor
PERSONAL GROWTH. HE WAS ALSO The
MOOR VISIONARY of The Two. In the Final Analysis, the FACT that Malik's Foundation was Garveyite and Martin's
Organization [SCLC], worked closely with
The N.A.A.C.P. proves how Important
BOTH Garvey & DuBois were!
NCAAP is white owned and a sell out
Integration has not worked.
@Stewy-xw9fz Nor did separation, you just got your property burned down.
@@perspectiveoutlook1540i am not advocating for separation but under separation Black Americans family structure was way way better and they had a lot more businesses. Integration seems like it allowed the richer non black individuals to buy out 99% of black American businesses and neighborhoods
Both man are great leaders and we shouldn’t be divided because of petty differences in their methods.
United we stand and division will only benefit the puppet master behind the curtains.
We shouldn’t bring the matter of black progress to a kind of binary religious discussion beating each other on the head about who is right whilst the group is losing more and more ground.
Interesting that the white power structure was threatened by Garveys vision...but they were not concerned with Duboise...they most likely liked Duboise. Interesting.
Marcus, all the way.
Then I must say that both ideas would had work out pretty good.Look at us today we are still trying to grasp at straws like drowning people. We have no love for each other we get very busy destroying one another instead of building up each other and creating communities of love and properties this is very sad. We must think of an idea with togetherness and without selfishness that way we can accomplish whatever we set out to do as long as we don't hurt others while getting it that is the best route. I'M Jamaica's inspirational poet Bill M Burton Book Titled: Our struggles will teach us how to grow. One love Respect every time 🖤💚💛
Team Garvey
BOTH !!!