Should You Buy A .270 Winchester? Get This Instead!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มิ.ย. 2024
- 100 years after the initial design of the .270 Winchester, should you still consider buying this cartridge?
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00:00 Introduction
00:30 History
01:01 Pros and cons
03:08 Ballistic Performance 500 Yards
05:41 Ballistic Performance 1 000 Yards
09:37 Should You Buy One?
There are two types of counties in this world...those who use the metric system and those that have been to the moon. 'Merica! 😁 Seriously though, I wish we would just move to the metric system already.
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Yeah you guys are way behind the 8 ball. Who uses imperial thesedays? America does lol.
@@IDGAF56852 we also still use daylight savings time. Makes zero sense whatsoever. (I don't even know if other countries use daylight savings time. I hope not. It's ridiculous.)
NASA went to moon using metric system though..
@@oif3vetk9 we do in Australia, but only half the country does it so just separated our states even more 🤣
If you can't hit it with a .270 then you shouldn't be shooting at it!
Okay but I'd like to say that just in the sub 300 yards category the 270 wins across the board and you can put up to a 165 grain behind it
Sir, with all due respect, I used shorter vouchers, I fell to 270 because I couldn't get 6.5, and I got an economical price for today's 140, because everyone only wanted the 130, 7 years later, the 110-grain tip tournament, come on perfect practice at 800 meters and I hunt up to 400 meters, well 525 but I do it when I detect nothing, no wind
For the hunt I would probably do the .270
If I was hitting steel, the 6.5 Creedmoor would be the better (plinker).
The 6,5x55 is even better than 6,5 creed and it is from 1893. Very common here in Norway for longrange shooting. But it needs a long action.
+1 on the 6.5x55 which was around before the 260 Rem and 6.5 Needmoor....
As for 270, I personally would go straight to 7mm
If you are buying factory ammo here in USA the 6.5 Creedmoor has way more options and the factory 6.5X55 is no faster MV. Now if you hand load then yep you go a little faster but if you want faster then go 270.
@@couespursuit7350 Yes, things may be different in other countries. Here in Norway 270 and 6,5 creedmore is expensive and uncommon. The biggest Norwegian shooting organization uses 6,5x55 as standard. So ammunition is at least half the prize of the others.
Yep that does make it way better.@@kitchendog
There I suspect...
.222 Rem
6.5x55
7x57
7x64
8x57
9.3x57
9.3x62
...all make sense.
Here we have much more popular cartridges in all those niches that would reduce cost and increase availability for factory loaded cartridges.
Minimum caliber on so many hunting farms in SA is .270
For good reason
Loved the video Piet
For hunting, most shots are made under less than 300 yards. The 270win still performs better than the 6.5 cm. But to be honest, still not much much more. If you're really hunting at 500 plus yards, then neither of these two should be considered for a new purchase.
7mm mag or saum or 7prc, maybe.
The 270win is near perfection for dear size game out to 300 plus yards.
6.5 cm is nearly equal at that range. But 500yrd plus hunting thier are better options than ether one.
Yes get the 270 it's the best
As a handloader I've looked at the data your correct .by the time the 6.5 catches the 270 is around 600 yards I've never shot a deer past 150 yards so my 3 6.5 creeds will stay home
. 270 which is a hundred year old cartridge, still performs excellent based on modern cartridges. Sure it has more recoil and might be slightly overtaken by modern advances in cartridge technology, but for an old lady, she still gets the job done... Just my 5c 🤷🏻♂️
Indeed she does
No doubt 👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸
Wrong way of looking at it, you can not compare the same weight bullet for different calibres. Try again with 6.5 at 140 against .270 150 Nosler long range.
The .270 is more of a push than the snappy .308 based cartridges. I’d rather shoot 100 156gr .270 than 100 150gr .308.
Recoil figures in a book don’t always tell the truth about how that recoil delivers.
Don’t usually disagree with you but have to now.
One thing I always find interesting on the short action / long action argument , and for the record I own both 6.5cm and 270 , I find the boxy modern cartridges always feed poorly , especially if you are cycling as quick as you can , whereas the 270 feeds as smooth as you like . Also 270 win cheaper factory ammo is always soft loaded , I load Barnes TSX 140gn. with a good amount of h4831SC and get 3050 fps , the old Jack O Connell load , at 200 metres you create serious energy that you won't get with a creedmoor . Having said that I enjoy shooting the creedmoor , it is very user friendly. While I find this video informative and entertaining I can tell you that the 270 win in 2023 is not a horse and cart by a long shot and when shooting anything over 50 kilo's the 270 is the first choice still of the two..
I do the same 270 load, Barnes TSX 140 grain but use H4350 about 55 grains. Do you find H4831SC better in any significant way ?
I had good grouping with 54 g of h4350 in a tikka sporter barrel [270 win] with 140 tsx. Just from my personal experience I'd say h4350 in 22 in barrel and h4831 sc for longer Barrells , but of course depends on the projectile weight . I found Varget worked good with little varmint slugs on the tikka also .@@danblumel
I agree 👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸
My 270win is so accurate I will never buy anything else. I shot large and small game with it and never lost anything. I use 130gr sierra gameking and my load gives me 2850fps.
I agree 👍🏻🇺🇸
I shot 30-06 and 8mm military rifles with steel but plates for fun when I was 13 years old. Did decades of hunting with full power hand loads in the 30-06 using 165 grain bullets. I had dialed into BC and Sectional Density before the gun writers got around to talking about it. The 30-06 is a beast, good for North American Elk and more than enough for our deer. After decades of hunting and harvesting game with the 06 I switched to the 270 WIN. The 270 is a great hunting cartridge for deer. Usually I liked the .277 bullets that were heavier for caliber like the 140-145-150 grain bullets for the better SD and BC. The Hornady SST Superformance ammo sends a decent BC bullet of 140 grains down range at 3100 fps MV. The 270 is a better hunting cartridge and the 6.5C ( which I have and shoot in matches and hunt with) is nice but not as good of punch on game.
People take elk with 6.5cm no problem
@@pridemizzle1565yes they do, that's not the point. For 6.5 I'd never use less than 6.5 PRC.
I got back from my second African safari last week, and I brought my 270 Winchester for both trips. I could not have been happier! I dropped a zebra, impala, blesbok, kudu, blue wildebeest and springbok with one shot. The only animal which didn’t drop on the spot was the kudu - it ran 50 ft and collapsed. Never in my wildest dreams did I think I would conquer Africa with it (minus dangerous game). In fact, if you had told me so 5 years ago I would have laughed at you. It all comes down to bullet quality and shot placement. Study your diagrams and watch lots of tutorials. If you do your homework, you will be fine.
No instead of the .270 you get the 6.8 western. Which had the similar replacement of .260 by 6.5cm.
6.8 western uses same caliber as .270 but with weights up to 170gr bullets with great BC.
It will never replace the 270win more recoil & costly ammo plus the # of 270's out there
Too late.....got a .270 already...AND LOVES IT!!!
30-06 was so good it spawned both the 270 and 50bmg.
I say stick with the original; there's a reason it's still around after 117yrs
I would say a 270 will be better on bigger game. It has higher energy and bullet weight you can shoot 150 eldx in it which will be more comparible to the sd of the creedmoor. Most people will be shooting 100 meters or less 95% of the time and I would shoot an eland with a 270 but I would be hesitant using a 6.5cm. If you want an all rounder get the 270 if want to be a range hipster get the 6.5
Great video!! Different strokes for different folks lol! My shots are inside of 200 yards so the BC argument doesn't affect me. I'll take my 270 it just hits them light a freight train lol!!
For hunting game I would prefer the 270 all day everyday but I’m want to get myself a howa 6mm creedmoor for competition shooting or for varmint hunting.
I stumbled across this channel around thanksgiving 2023 and I regret not knowing about you sooner. Such a great channel and very dense in knowledge !
Being a person that owns both calibers, I say they are both great. But in my case the 270 Win I own is a Tikka T3x lite, while the 6.5 Creedmoor is a Ruger American Predator with a Magpul stock. The Tikka is so much nicer to shoot. Plus the 270 Win has better ammo availability where I shop.
Surprising thing though. My 350 Legend and some of my pistol caliber carbines, will get the game in quite a bit of the hunting locations.
I still like to long range target shoot. And am shooping for a longer range rifle yet.
I harvested my first deer with a 30/30 Winchester model 94 in 1979 in Maine. The shot was less than 60 yards .in 1986 I bought a Santa Barbara Mauser chambered in 270 win. I harvested a Antelope with it in western South Dakota the shot was at 60 yards . I bought a T.C. Barrel in 6.5 Cripples More. I shot at a Whitetail Deer at 75 yards Nothing a clean miss or did I hit the deer and it simply ran off to die on private property ? My hunting partner of 50 years shot and hit a Whitetail buck and it to ran off not to recovered he was using a 6.5 Cripples More as well. So in my bad experience with the 6.5 Cripples More I'll be sticking with the 270 win .
I finished out my big game hunting rifles this season with a 7 PRC at the end of last year. Took one whitetail with it and it was effective. From there I step down to a 1986 Abolt in .308 that has stacked a lot of meat in the freezer; and finally a Howa Carbon Stalker mini action in 6.5 Grendel(bought for the grandkids of course) that I carried the most this year. There is something alluring about a 6 lb hunting package; including scope, ammo, and sling.
My daughter took a large doe this season with the Grendel and it was no less dead than that shot with the 7 PRC.
The 270 win it’s a beautiful round, shoots faster and flatter for most hunting ranges then a 6.5 but the most important fact when hunting with a rifle is transferring the energy into the animal not poking a hole through it.
So a 270 with a ballistic tip hits a deer like a brick, that means animal drops and does not suffer unlike smaller rounds that will poke a hole through an animal the size of my pinky and the deer runs 600 yards before it bleeds out.
I’m not hating on the 65 I think they did an excellent job of cloning the 270 with less recoil and less power.
The hottest 6.5cm load doesn’t compare to the most modest.270 load. Each have their merits ppl get to hung up on what’s best
I feel like the 270 velocity is understated, but I'll need to research.
I declare shenanigans. The 270 is more of a ballistic clone to the 6.5 PRC, not the Creedmoor. That 140 grain bullet going at 2700 in the Creedmoor cannot keep up with 29 50 ft./s in the 270 Winchester. I’m declaring a bias judgment in this.
Easy to just run the numbers yourself
I have more guns than all my friends combined when I want my big gun. It's a 375 ultra mag but for most of my hunting I settle on the 270 WSM. It's attack driver. It's a laser. It gets the job done every time. Oh yeah and that performs the 65 creedmoor hands down
First Rifle I ever bought was my Remington Model 700 .270 Winchester back in 1994. Never took any Deer with it, but its so fun to shoot and reload for
For factory loaded ammo of similar projectile weights, 6.5 is close to 270 as the date shows. However, when you go up in projectile weight, it's when the 270 will perform better in terms of energy. For example, my hand loads are 150gr Nosler ABLR G7 BC of .291 and a sd of .279, with a muzzle velocity of 2915 out of a 22in barrel. The retained energy at 500yds is 1556ft-lbs, and at 1000yds, the energy is 792ft-lbs.
I primarily hunt Rocky Mountain Elk here in western Montana, and while I also have a 6.5 creedmoor, it's not a cartridge I feel comfortable using on elk. That being said, I know people who have taken Moose with a 243win so shot placement is still king. Also, Pete, have you considered doing a western US hunt?
The 243 is one of those rare cartridges that all the planets and stars seem to line up for. I dont hunt with the 243, but several of my buddies do, and i have seen the 243 do things that border the unbelievable in hunting fields. Time and again.
Don't know what factory loads you're buying. There's around a 300 fps difference in most factory ammo I've seen
@sigaso28 I'd wager that most factory loads are loaded to the mid range or low-end of what loading manuals recommend for powder charges. My handloads are 2 grains higher than what Nosler recommends for a maximum powder charge with H4831.
With all due respect, this is a prime example that numbers. stats and math don't equal field performance. I have both calibers and these big North Texas hogs prove to me that the 270 is clearly superior in many ways. Even my 6.5 PRC doesn't equal the 270 punch when I use best bullets in both calibers.
Love my Tikka T3 .270. Great go to deer gun.. for the ranges I shoot deer at anyway., But always open to getting a new bang stick. Ahhh already have the 6.5, 👍🤣
Really like these informative videos, well done!
Thank you very much! Hoop dit gaan great met julle! See you the 18th?
Hey Pieter, you're cool man. You bring a refreshing and humerus insight to this world of shooting which at nearly 60 I have just discovered. Sometimes I feel as though am too old to be starting from the beginning but you create a great atmosphere of community, so thanks. Craig from Sydney Australia.
Love the video!! Helpful information
Excellent explanations!!! Cleared up alot of things forme esp sectional density
I ran similar numbers in 6.5 PRC 143 ELD X against 145 ELD X in. 270. They are virtually the same out to 100 and 200 yds. The PRC takes over has 1604 lbs of energy compared to 1497 in the .270 at 500 yds.
Did your 6.5 PRC exceed 3200 fps like my 270 did. I dare you to try and buy a box of 6.5PRC for less than 50.00. Furthermore what you youngstyers don't understand or realize is that a Bullets BC changes with velocity. FACT!!! I talked to Hornady and several other bullet manufacturers about that very thing. Call them.
@@dennisowen3717 I highly doubt you got 3200 fps with a 145 grain out of a .270 unless you have a 30"+ barrel and very hot hand loads. That would put you very close to 26 Nosler velocity and there is no way you are stuffing 85+ grains of powder in a .270. LoL
My 270AI was amazing. I broke 3000 with a 150. If I got a long throat faster twist barrels I would be able to put 175 down range at around 2800+. I sold that but am now thinking 6.8 western with 1:8 26" barrel
The first rifle i ever bought was a cheap .270 that i've since threw a custom stock on, a Vortex Diamondback ffp mrad optic, a muzzle break, and atlas bipod. i use it to target shoot. the only thing i dislike about it is the recoil being a bit aggressive with hot loads. Ive used Hornady custom lite 120gr. and then its almost perfect. Very low bullet drop and lower recoil. I know people who custom load the .270 for 1mi.+ shots. The biggest problem is high twist rate barrels to match higher weight .270 bullets. i believe berger makes a 170gr option but it requires a high twist rate barrel thats only available by a custom order and build. I just wish there were more wide selection of .270 rifles and bullets but with the 6.5cm i doubt it will ever be.
Remember that bullet energy numbers are only a potential. So when stating that a bullet should hit it’s target with a least 1000 ft/lbs one should ad that it is given that the bullet is able to transfer it’s potential energy.
That brings me to the discussion about penetration… again we should talk about adequate penetration since over penetration will leave is with less energy transfer.
There is only one way to transfer the potential energy of a bullet to the surrounding tissue - thats by slowing down due to the resistance the bullet meets at/in the target. Bullet manufactures use different designs to help this process eg. expansion, partial fragmentation or total fragmentation.
When we utilize LR bullets with high BC/SD the bullets will simply meet less resistance at the target. And if the bullet arrives at target with low velocity even less resistance is available to ensure expansion or fragmentation.
It gets even worse if we combine the above factors with a tough bullet design eg. bonded or homogeneous bullets. Now you have the recipe for total failure, pinhole wounding and long searches for a wounded animal.
So long story short - no - penetration is not everything. High SD is not everything and a single number/statement that a bullets should hit its target with at least 1000 ft/lbs is a very unvarnished way of looking at a rather complex scenario.
The thing I love about the 6.5 Creed is the fact it performs on par or slightly above or below cartridges like the 270 with a lot less recoil. I want to enjoy shooting my rifle while also being able to follow through with the shot and stay in the glass. Unlike other cartridges where you pull the trigger and feel the pain after several shots. Everyone always wants to throw it out as being less manly but in my opinion it's just common sense. Unless you are needing all the power you can get and don't mind taking a beating which I suppose there are times one needs them I think the 6.5 Creedmoor or hell the 6.5 PRC is about as much as anyone would need for hunting mid size game or larger. We are starting to see more cartridges come out with better ballistics and better manufacturing techniques to get more out of a cartridge now than ever before. It is pretty damn exciting if you ask me.
The 6.5 isn’t really close to the 270 in 130g bullets. Yes yes recoil but the 270 is laser flat compared to the 6.5. I like the 6.5 cm buy if you have a 270 zero reason to change. And I’d you shoot monolothic bullets the velocity of the 270 is more affective at way longer ranges. I wanted to love something better than 270. But not even the 6.5 prc beats it. Just meets it and ammo is more expensive. 270 is king unless you want heavier 7mm .308 calibers
Most of my hunting is between 100 and 200 metres, sometimes 300 metres. In my opinion, for those distances the 270 ist the better cartridge.
Try loading some 7mm-08 match loads. It should have a higher BC than 308 and more energy within 500 yards than 6.5 Creedmoor.
I would tend to agree with it all... I do think a better comparison would've been with the 6.5 PRC and kept the distances 400 yards and in where most people hunt. My 1st hunting rifle I had built was a 270 WSM but my very 1st factory hunting rifle was a 270 Win and I've killed a lot of critters with those guns. That said I don't break them out of the safe to hunt with very often because I like tinkering with the more modern cartridges and rifle setups. Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
What are your thoughts on the 6.8 Western? basically a modern 270. I thought it would have been more popular but so far Browning and Winchester are the only 2 manufacturers that I know of who are chambering rifles for it.
I have a 270 barrel I am waiting for. It is going to replace my 6.5CM as my hunting rifle. I like the extra velocity it gives me. The extra frontal area is a plus as well. I don't expect to try to take game over 400 yards. Imo - the 6.5 PRC is much more competitive.
MDT makes all of their stocks for a variety of long actions. Magpul makes the hunter 700, AND the hunter American in long action. There are plenty of “cool” stock options for a long action if you have a 270. Further, if you reload there are plenty of modern bullets available in the 6.8mm/.277 diameter that have relatively high BCs compared to the exposed lead tip soft points of days past.
Edit to add: this is for IF you already have a .270, for example your grandfather’s hand me down or something.
Enjoyed the video. As someone who owns many rifles in several different calibers and reloads for all of them including a couple of rifles in 6.5 Creed I would have to agree. I would not necessarily part with a rifle you already have and are happy with for a cartridge that was designed for high BC/high for caliber weight bullets but if you are starting out the 6.5 Creed’s relatively light recoil, high BC bullets, huge selection of factory ammo and bullets for reloading make it a no brained for hunting. I am eying the 7 PRC for my next rifle. WIth laser range finders, chronograph’s, custom drag models, a quality scope that one can dial for elevation and a place to practice elevation is pretty easy to correct for at range. Using cartridges that allow high BC bullets cuts down on wind error and that is much harder to get right consistently than your elevation IMHO. The 270 is every bit as good as it every has been but cartridges designed this century for high BC bullets have undeniable advantages. I hope a few people see this video before they buy their first rifle!
Everything falls down from my 270, 140gr Barnes here in Alaska.
Shot placement is the most critical factor in hunting situations. On that we can agree. I have been using a 270, Remington model 721, for fifty years and everything, that I made good placement on, has gone down. Recoil has never been an issue and in hunting situations, I have never taken a shot at more than 250 yards. To do so inputs more variables that can cause poor placement. If you are shooting targets, do so at whatever range you choose. That is up to you. In hunting situations, a hunter is well advised to make shots that they are sure of and capable of making. The choice of caliber is a personal decision to be made by the individual shooter. I will also state that my Remington has a Weaver 4 power scope. A family friend shot a Winchester 30-30 with open sights. Couldn't tell you the number of deer he took with it, but it was a LOT.
How long did it take you to find rounds for the 270 with such a slow muzzle velocity? Even cheap factory winchester power points and cheap factory federal power shock are mv3060. Box of 130gr horniday i have is 3200fps. I can only imagine what some handloaders could do!
Piet - you are overstating the Creed's muzzle velocity. Most factory loads run at 2700ish ft/s. Sow this significantly skews your data. I agree with the rest of your reasoning. BUT...I have two 6.5CMs. Bought one for my son to hunt with. I also have a trusty 270, shooting 140gr at 2960ft/s. It is flat out faster, flatter shooting and muchn harder hitting than the creedmoor to about 500 or 600yards...which is the limit I hunt at. The creed has a slight wind advantage due to its BC. The creed is easier to load for. Which do I grab when I need to hunt a kudu in the Eastern Cape? My 270 every time. ;-)
Piet. Love the videos. Subscribed. I have been shooting the 270 Winchester for 35 years. Rem700. I blueprinted the action and put it in an MDT, XRS chassis with a Bartlein barrel and other nice add-ons. I have been shooting PRS with it for a few years now. It irritates the 6.5 Creed fans. On paper, the difference between the two is not noticeable to us experienced shooters. The primary difference is recoil. Which has never bothered me. The industry could have made the 270 better just by offering faster barrel twist rates to enable a heavier round. I have seen 175gr recently. Rare as a Yeti!
I chuckle as i am loading my 28 nosler and 30-378 wby mag.... lol
Yes! Please push a 6.5mm. The .270 is so archaic. Everybody should sell .270 just to get rid of it. So i can buy it cheap.
Hi Piet,
Thanks for your great content!
I did some investigating, admittedly not extensively, but are you aware of something similar to the NRL but more focused towards a standard hunting rifle profile? Let's say possibly a slightly modified stock, not a chassis system, reasonable optics etc? So i guess a platform that one would realistically still be able to carry in the field...
Thanks in advance for your time and feedback.
Cheers
Johan
Thanks for yet an amazing video Piet. Good factual information. Doesn't matter what caliber you own or favor, doesn't matter the range, facts are still facts and ballistics still ballistics, nothing we can do about it and it's still a very interesting and informative video. 👌 No need for anyone sending you hate for this.
I agree
Thank you for the advice.
Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦
What do you recommend 243. Win or 308. Win., or anything else?
Awesome video, I have a .270 and getting reloading components in SA has been a headache to say the least, seriously considering another caliber
Love my 270 n my 6.5cm
No hate from me but I've been hunting since the 80s with the 270 and over the years learned of dialing in MOA, dope, wind, better bullets, powder, my handloads v factory, etc. At the end of the day no one on the planet will convince the 26 deer I killed in Alabama during the 2022-2023 season, from 25 yards to 606 yards, that any other caliber, bullet, bullet weight would have outperformed my 270 with 130 grain Barnes TTSX combo. These numbers and stats and spec discussions are all fun but in the real world if you know your wind and come-ups and you clocked your ammo, that's all that matters. My bullets are 3380fps using SUPERFORMANCE powder. My Hart barrel is 25.5"
If anyone wants to chat with the deer (meat) and convince them a 6.5 CM with a 140 would have done better, I'll hold the freezer door open for ya since the hinges are worn out
I enjoy my 6.5CM, it very good at lots of things. BUT…..
there will always be a .270 in my safe, and has always been my number 1 choice for anything smaller than eland. Nosler Accubond LR in 150gr, or if you can get the greatest treasure 165gr Sako Hammerheads.
The much closer comparison for me would be 6.8 Western vs .270Win.
I know the 156g Sako Hammerheads, where do you get 165g?
I'm very surprised you didn't do this comparison with the 6.5PRC to the 270win.
It is all about the application. For the "average" hunter who isn't likely to shoot an animal past 400 meters the 270 is gold! It has a MPBR of almost 300m on a 20cm killzone (bladskoot). Components and ammunition are available everywhere and for the most part are affordable and even cheap compared to the newer 6.5 calibers (260rem, 6.5cm, 6.6prc). It has proven itself over the past 100 years and will continue to do so over the next 100 years. LRP shooting? Not so much. Maybe with a faster twist rate in a custom rifle shooting those ultra high BC bullets in the 170gr range but then components become expensive and in SA quite the hassle...
Great thing about .270win rifles is that they hold 4 in the mag. My 7 saum is only 3 and they dont feed real slick, to each their own
Love this video. A number of years ago the only rifle I could get in a left hand chasis for myself was a 6.5cm. I could not get any ammo for it and immediately got into reloading and love to reload mostly because I want to get the most accurate shot placement possible whether at the range or hunting. That being said I always wanted a .270 because that is what I shot as a kid. So now I have two 6.5 cm and one .270. My .270 seems to have a bit better accuracy. But I can not knock the 6.5cm because the platform they are on really sucks. Recently I modified the stock on one of the 6.5cm and can't wait to test it. If all goes by what I have learned from others it may end up being better than my favorite .270. One thing I have to say if someone wants accuracy, don't cheap out on the platform it is bought in. I used to knock the 6.5 pretty hard but I am thinking with improvements to my stock choice I may be eating my words. One thing I have found is when hunting unless I'm shooting something comparable to an armheld canon I don't notice the recoil due to adrenaline. If I'm at the range I do notice the recoil. I have killed dear with both and no matter which one I use the dear is just as dead.
Love your content. I learn a lot from ones like yourself and Eric Cortina and the gentleman from Ultimate reloading.
Thank you so much.
Well said and good advice,
We grew up shooting large caliber riffles handed down generation to generation.
Without trying to understand DOPE or environmental's, we were taught to shoot as if you would throw a rock! a point of impact was just what it was.
Barrell life was never a previous consideration- it just shot and that was it.
So the .270W is still a capable caliber however it's continuing popularity is manily due to the fact it's been such a popular choice forever and one of the largest sales within factory riffles.
6.5 Cm is offered amongst almost all good riffle brands with great bullet choices.
I think this is really good advice for a first center fire firearm.
Then just do what I do, try to own as many as possible!!!
I stay out of the "best caliber arguments"
try to choose the best for purpose caliber and platform.
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.270 has more energy and less drop than 6.5 creedmoor at 500 yards. Much past that neither has enough energy for an ethical kill on a deer size animal.
You are talking about deer but would it be same for Moose. I put mdt muzzle brake and I can shot with it all day. One thing I found out in a hard way, I cannot hunt with it. It was so loud that I couldn’t hear anything for a minute.
How about 6.5 PRC compared to 270?
I agree from a PRS / higher volume shooting perspective because of case volume. Hunting, however, is generally low volume shooting, and with bergers, new heavier offerings of 277/6.8m it basically turns into another 30-06 vs 308 debate.
Except that the 1:10 twist of a .270 isn't suited for much over 160gr, so it wouldn't be able to capitalise on those high BC 165gr+ projectiles.
According to Bergers stability calculator, a .277 Elite Hunter 170gr being fired in a 1:10 twist at 0ft altitude and 59°F/15°C at 2750fps (I'm estimating it, but giving it the benefit of the doubt on that one, it's probably closer to 2700fps max) it only has a stability factor of 1.14. Make it a 1:9 twist, it's still only a 1.4. You'd need a 1:8.5 or faster to run them... but unfortunately .270s come with 1:10 from the factory.
.270 is an absolute awesome cartridge, with a great legacy... but it's growing old. Personally I find the 6.8 Western intruiging, but lack of support seems to be killing it before it even kicks off.
@Marc Moore I agree. From a long rang consumer standpoint, if the barrels don't change, then the cartridge is pretty much in line to be left behind because it with a 170gr EH it whould be a cartridge that stays in the running for American western hunts like sheep hunts
In South africa, i don't see it becoming obsolete because we're a few years behind the times in some spots, and it also fits the landscape
I just think it's a shame, though, but all in all, I think it still has a few years left in it as a white tail /springbok cartridge before it's completely obsolete
With the scarcity of reloading components as of late, you can put more rounds downrange with a 6.5creed than the 270win with the same 1lbs of powder.
It has been found that 156 grain EOL Elite Hunter Berger or now a 165 grain Nosler 165 accubond long range will BOTH stabilize in a 1:10 twist 270 Win. So bullet performance options for typical hunting distances under 100M or yds. is better with the 270 Win and the additional powder column.
They may stabilize, but will they shoot accurately?
Mate id be interested to hear your thoughts on the 264 Win Mag
I don’t get the comparison with the 6.5. The 270 was designed around your standard cup and core bullet. The 6.5 man bun was designed around high bc bullets. The 270 in my opinion is better for hunting than the 6.5 man bun. Target on the other hand is butter for shooting target and long range. I sold my 6.5 man bun and still have my 270. I got it when I was 9. I’m 40 now.
Highly informative. Most informative piece of information was that Metric System being Superior 😂. I like how you sneaked that in.
🤔 The fact is that the new 270 rifles are starting to come out with faster twist rates (I recently saw a 1 in 7 1/2 Twist Factory Rifle Released) to shoot the heavier bullets, like the 165 grain Nosler ABLR bullet (B.C. of 0.620) all the way up to 180 grains! With Reloader 26, I can push that bullet out to 2,900 ft/s! I can rebarrel my existing 270's to do that too! Can Your NEEDSMORE do that? Nope! 🤣
Right now I'm really considering I do everything rifle build with a 600 m being the furthest distance I would have to kill say a six-foot-tall 210 lb Target. I'm considering a 30 ought 6 with slightly faster twist barrel or the 68 Western. But at this range of even considered some large bore calibers and then looking at all the 7 mm and 7 mm wildcats. I shoot better with last week well so if I can and like to stay away from the 300 PRC and the 7 mm PRC which leaves me with the 280 Ackley again with modified twist barrel.. it would be nice to know what a 7saum or seven PRC would feel like with a muzzle break. Now my hand load and we'll have plenty of ammunition made but I have not discounted some of the classic cartridges because of ammo s lection in post apocalyptic times. One out of five houses than I would have to rummage through would probably have a box of 30-06
As a practical matter, which round is more available at hunting destinations?
Really depends on the round... 6.5 vs 270 using Remington corelok, 270 is better out to 1000 where the 6.5 finally over takes speed and ft lbs
Piet, PLEASE do this comparison again with the 143gr & 145gr Eld-x bullets in these 2 calibres. Also use more practical hunting distances like 250-400m , then give your honest opinion again. This comparison parameters was set up to favour the 6.5 from the start.
Agree! And he should then compare the 6.5PRC 143gr. ELD-X To the 270win 145gr. ELD-X
You aren't wrong with the final statements between the two. 20 years ago, after i passed my hunters safety, my dad bought me a Remington 700 in 270 because it was an amazing cartridge at the time. This spring, after my son passed his hunters safety, i got him a Bergara HMR Wilderness in 6.5 Creedmoor. It is the better way to do the job. The shooter doesn't get extra points for punishing their shoulder. Don't get me wrong, i love my 270 and i will shoot it any time i have the chance, but it isn't my fun gun. My 223 gets a thousand rounds in a summer, because it is much more fun to shoot.
More animals have been ethically shot with the 270 than the 6.5 creed ,and if your shooting out at 500 yds you arnt shooting ethically in my opin.
Pieter, luckily I won’t argue, I just got a 6.5-06.
How many pounds of felt recoil between 270w and 6.5cm with 140s? I'm just a target shooter..
Great video mate, your very lucky that I like you lol yeah what ever. Hey buddy what about the 243 and the 22-250 is it worth reloading them? And what's the best load for fur hunting? And brands what's the best powder 🤔 all so many questions. But I know you can answer with a video, I just can't find it . Great advice mate 👍
Try to take a look at the venerable 6.5x55 Swede.... From 1894.... More powerfull than the 6.5 creedmore if you use modern rifles and modern ammo from Lapua, driving a 123 grain bullet at 3050 fps!
AMEN 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Very well said - and all of the information as shared is 100% accurate & exactly the truth !!!
Further, I’m a HUGE fan of the 270 Winchester - along with several other cartridges. The bottom line, it’s ALL about shot placement - along with ALWAYS using the correct bullet weight and speed, and of course, bullet construction !!! ✅
Using a tuned down load for the 270 you can make it seem fairly even to the 6.5 creedmore. But, it’s not a fair fight. My 270 shoots the 150 grain Berger at 2975 and 140 grain at 3015. That’s very comparable to the 6.5 PRC. You cannot make a 6.5 Creed get anywhere close to that.
love how you say that the metric system is superior
Like you state this is only relevant to factory rifle/ammo and new shooters. Custom rifle with handloaded ammunition does not improve on the 6.5 Creedmoor a significant amount. However a 1:8 twist .270 Winchester shooting a Berger 170 EOL or 165 Matrix... different story. Great video as always
Is that a creedmoor cartridge in the thumbnail? I thought he he’s going to recommend some cool wildcat version of the 6.8 western or long action 270 wsm.
I wonder how the 6.8 Western stacks up against it or even the 270 WSM
6.8 Western? Similar external ballistics but better terminal ballistics?
Couldn't wait!
The word you used "usually " which means barrel twist rate before a lot of the heavier bullets that are out now. Up the twist rate and bullet with higher bc.
The .270 wins.
Having said that the 6.5cm is an excellent cartridge. The reduction in recoil has a big advantage.
You made a good point. But then again in building a .243 AI, 300 wsm, and a 25 wssm.
So anybody making a good point just didn't seem to Make it through this old loggers head!
Loved the subliminal NO @1:00!
Love the video! Always thought of the 6.5 PRC as the modern .270. It is interesting to see that even the 6.5 Creed will catch the .270 around 500-600 yards.
Well, it does in this selective example. You give an example with the CM having a BC advantage, there is little doubting it's advantage once you go out far enough.
That's because the typical factory .270Win loads generally do not use high BC bullets. Use heavier and higher B.C projectiles and you'll find that the .270 Win is still very much capable and will compete with the newer 6.5mm offerings. Also, 6.8 Western = "New .270 Win". Then again, the 6.5x55 Swede wins all :P
@@vinnyg827 I understand. Problem is, for the guys that don't reload or for someone that doesn't want to mess with getting a custom barrel installed, like new shooters, there are much better options out there. 6.8 Western is a ballistic powerhouse. Hopefully it starts to be chambered by more companies. As Peit said, if you're buying a new rifle in 2023, is .270 Win. really the best option? I can go buy a 6.5 PRC off the shelf with factory ammo and it will shoot lights out.
I decided to get in to long-range shooting last summer and bought a 338 LM. Love the rifle, but tbh, it's definitely a lot for a new LR shooter. So, I'm planning on getting a 6.5 CM this spring and building up my skills with that first. (BTW, love the channel!)
The 338 is a caliber I'd love to try....but so expensive.
Amen on metric system being superior (except for air temperature).
6.5mm is to small for many European countries. Hunting certain game will require at least 7mm by law in some European countries