Audio engineer here with 10 years of live sound, home, and car audio experience. When it comes to bass it doesn't really make much difference which way the sub is pointing as long as there is some air space around the box. Now in a cardioid sub configuration, yes it would matter but you don't see that in car or home audio systems often. The bigger issue with subwoofers is the distance between the enclosure and the listener, it takes quite some distance for the low frequency soundwave to reach its max amplitude so in some cases peoples car audio setups have more bass outside the car than inside.
It does matter the bass bounces from the trunk back to the front amplifying it i had 2 15in subs in my car and i ran them forwards, backwards, and upright and from personal experience and even what other said when they were in my car that when they were backwards they hit the hardest and deepest and shook the whole car lol
@@FroztiProductions Exactly, thats why they're called "subsonic sound waves" because it travels slower than the speed of sound contrary to normal acoustic audio sound waves.
true, when its sedan and there is no skeebox, then sound is supressed then there is less bass and it bang the trunk more then usually universal bodys (estate) are the best for it.
Ive commented this before but if your headlights are dimming when the bass hits buy a high output alternator for it, itll be louder too. Dont buy those pos 1 farad capacitors. But also if you get too loud you start breaking the car.
Yeah, caps don't really do much. Upgrade your power and ground wires under the hood (look up big 3 upgrade) and add a second battery in the trunk first. Unless your running like 3000 watts or more 90% of cars will be fine with just a second battery.
Coming from a professional installer here, check your ohm loads. And it actually makes more sound facing towards the trunk lid because it resonates and flows through the car.
Tried to reach out to him multiple times hard to , there’s a lot more to it then hooking subs and amps. Ganna end up catching shit on fire with low voltage and ohm loads.
Boys please just be careful out there on that jump.. I've had a buddy lose his life after a spinal and neck injury falling off a jump about the same size. Please, be careful I just care about you guys and don't wanna see anyone get hurt!🙏🙏
I fucked my neck bad on a side by side trying to go way too quick into a turn, my cousin died going through the woods on a jump I believe, broke his neck. Dont let people tell you youre a puss for saying this type of stuff. You’re trying to help and save lives man. My neck clicks and pops every which way, cant wait til Im 50.
Dude Chris you could of just drilled like 3 holes in each of the angled pieces of aluminum and threw a few screws through won't move after and subs are best facing the rear of the car but the box should also be pushed up against the rear seats then mounted I've put tons of systems in people's cars as a lil business to make some cash but yea
Facts, he's a g and honestly I'm really really happy to see him be a part of the channel here in CT Edit. I don't know he just seems like a mad chill dude I'd love to be friends with, not like I wouldn't wanna be friends with Chris but Matt just has his own vibe which is fucking awesome!
Will, subs bouncing off the back of the trunk like rudnick has now is louder, facing towards the cabin is only louder if you seal off the trunk with the subs towards the cabin, you need to have seats down as well
Also with my experience it helps hide the distortion. But he also prob doesn't have the subs wired to hit as hard as they could he's prob only running 4ohm on the amp Bridged. So he's splitting 1 channels power between both subs instead of using both 1 go each. Or wire the subs to do 2 ohms which would make them hit twice as hard. ( if they can be ran at 2 ohms.) Those subs prob only hit mids and highs. But low bass is prob sloppy.
@@snickers882 well in the box they're in yeah its a ported box designed to be loud in the higher frequencies, you can hear it distort on all the lower notes
@@honduh9348 don't even need to replace it. Just throw it under the factory floor. Mounting subs is easy, and Ruddy over-engineered the shit out of it. The kicker being, it won't be as secure lol
If you tape Velcro together you can stick it against the carpet on the subwoofer and the carpet in the trunk. No need for drilling holes and having ratchet straps. It bumps tho and it’s still something I would’ve done. Just shooting out ideas.
Took an acoustics class in college, yes the sub needs air around to work best. Either that or something to resonate on, but if it was resonating through contact it will just make shit rattle more
Chris you should have drilled holes through the side of the angle iron. used stainless steel screws too screw into the box itself. that thing would never move and it would look a lot cleaner
I had a 1988 honda city with 2 15in devastator subs 3000w rms each and a 4000w amp, it took the whole back, i had to squeeze the sub boxes in, that bumped hard!!!
I understand the need for the bump and I’m glad to finally see this on the channel, I’ve got an old school 15” Treo in the trunk of a 2000 civic coupe and had to take the back seats out to even fit it in the trunk!
The reason people have their subs firing towards the back is because the bass bounces the trunk lid and essentially uses the truck to amplify the bass. For a bigger car like that I would get a ported box for those subs if you want a deeper sounding bass.
E46 owner here. I cut out my ski hole in my rear bulkhead behind the rear seats, mounted a 10inch sub in the hole on 25mm MDF boss in the hole facing the front cabin. AMP mounted flush in boot floor and all cables hidden. Bumps hard and no rattles. People need to realise more bass doesn’t equal quality. You want to compliment your speakers not drown them out 🤣
It doesn’t matter which way you have subs facing because bass frequencies are omnidirectional unlike midrange and high frequencies which do matter which way they’re facing because they’re directional. That’s why door speakers and tweeters are facing you or the windshield to reflect.
When it comes to someone like them that do not know anything about hooking up subs. Facing the rear will help minimize the distortion. Because I bet he has his bass on the head unit maxed out which is a big no no. Because it makes the top load sound flat. you always want the headunit to be negative and let the amp do the work. It prob hits mids and highs good but low bass is prob crap. But hey as long as he's happy I'm happy for him
Lol will was funny saying shouldn't it be facing the other way, nope bass waves are long so you always face towards the back, also if you roll the windows down it will release pressure and sound better
I had a 15" sub in my boosted civic hatch when it was daily driven, Had a sheet of plywood wrapped in carpet as the cargo area floor, self tappered into the sheet metal, and then I screwed the box to the plywood from the inside, but my sub was facing up wasnt too bad to remove if I ever was removing the sub box which was only when i stopped daily driving it
Hes is right on the sub, the subs should have room to breath or be designed to slot load. The hole in the middle is to let the back sound wave out. The bump will be loudest 10-15 feet from the speakers. You can blow out a windshield with long through subs. Size of sub gets it deeper but not a big increase in efficacy. Project truck tuned horn subs like in a klipsh horn. Have the exits blended in as fender vents. They will hear you a mile away.
I have a pretty nice system in my drift car and I used L brackets and screwed them to the wood below and the box and also a ratchet strap. DONT JUST USE THE STRAP lol. I did the shake test and one yeet and the box was already moving around. ADD THE L BRACKETS
I’m not an installer pro but I’ve done 4 of my own systems and all the tuning and Bass always sounds better when they bounce off a surface first! Idc what anyone says It never sounds good w subs pointing toward the seats the bass just doesn’t hit as hard! It also depends if it’s a band pass or sealed box weather or not to let your seats down Sealed box facing the trunk w the seats up will hit the hardest. But rattle the car apart. You could also just bolt thru the box into the rivnut just pull the subs out of the box line up w the rivs and drill and bolt shitll never move but also a pain to get out..
lol the subs are proof that Chris will never change! its better for entertainment anyway 🤣 i feel like even when he's trying to do everything legit at least one thing has to be ghetto.
Ratchet straps are used to hold down the infrastructure sound systems I've seen in the UK.. nothing wrong with that, does the job and does it well 🤷♂️
As a BassHead it is literally painful to watch you guys talk about car audio.... But I still love that you're doing your thing!
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Audio engineer here with 10 years of live sound, home, and car audio experience. When it comes to bass it doesn't really make much difference which way the sub is pointing as long as there is some air space around the box. Now in a cardioid sub configuration, yes it would matter but you don't see that in car or home audio systems often. The bigger issue with subwoofers is the distance between the enclosure and the listener, it takes quite some distance for the low frequency soundwave to reach its max amplitude so in some cases peoples car audio setups have more bass outside the car than inside.
This is what I came to read.
It does matter the bass bounces from the trunk back to the front amplifying it i had 2 15in subs in my car and i ran them forwards, backwards, and upright and from personal experience and even what other said when they were in my car that when they were backwards they hit the hardest and deepest and shook the whole car lol
Base waves are so long they have to bounce off of or vibrate through something to be heard
@@FroztiProductions Exactly, thats why they're called "subsonic sound waves" because it travels slower than the speed of sound contrary to normal acoustic audio sound waves.
true, when its sedan and there is no skeebox, then sound is supressed then there is less bass and it bang the trunk more then usually universal bodys (estate) are the best for it.
Ive commented this before but if your headlights are dimming when the bass hits buy a high output alternator for it, itll be louder too. Dont buy those pos 1 farad capacitors. But also if you get too loud you start breaking the car.
I had a 2 farad capacitor and never had any issues 🤷
100% this. Capacitor is useless.
Also just a good battery helps a bits too when upgrading
He really needs AGM or Lithium reserve, he will hold voltage just fine, even on stock alt. Caps are junk.
Yeah, caps don't really do much. Upgrade your power and ground wires under the hood (look up big 3 upgrade) and add a second battery in the trunk first. Unless your running like 3000 watts or more 90% of cars will be fine with just a second battery.
Listen to Major Tom and get the golf R ☠️😂
That might be why🤔whos mkv r32 is sitting in the lot?
Vws are ghey audis are ghey let's make a 3x gheyness car out of 2
Nah he’ll buy one then tommy will sell his just like the M2
Major tom says its got major ground control
I love how will just shows up with a tie on his head and zero questions are asked 😂😂
Coming from a professional installer here, check your ohm loads. And it actually makes more sound facing towards the trunk lid because it resonates and flows through the car.
Tried to reach out to him multiple times hard to , there’s a lot more to it then hooking subs and amps. Ganna end up catching shit on fire with low voltage and ohm loads.
@@austinmyers7976 probably not even a fused connection on his main power wire. 😂
Sound wave propagation
interesting
Boys please just be careful out there on that jump.. I've had a buddy lose his life after a spinal and neck injury falling off a jump about the same size. Please, be careful I just care about you guys and don't wanna see anyone get hurt!🙏🙏
I fucked my neck bad on a side by side trying to go way too quick into a turn, my cousin died going through the woods on a jump I believe, broke his neck. Dont let people tell you youre a puss for saying this type of stuff. You’re trying to help and save lives man. My neck clicks and pops every which way, cant wait til Im 50.
Agree
bruh people get spinals from just falling over. This is a baby jump dont get yourself to worked up over there or we would all be in bubbles
It's a pit bike jump dude! 😂😂
Let’s see some sunny truck content!
He fucking won’t touch that bad ass thang
I agree...
Nah we def need another ebay turbo Miata build
@@Cheems09 naw man we need another shitty e30 that he will take apart and never run again
I just wanna see the reaction of the people incharge of tech at the track when they see the jzx trunk setup😂
I think you should give matt a raise i love the way he edits the video definitely see a difference
The way yall explain how a sub works makes my day
you could of literally put 4 or 6 wood screws through each angle into the box instead of the ratchet straps
You can use a wood screw to mount the bracket to the box. It's the same way your subs are held to the box
You need to crack the front windows open about 4-6 inches to hear it bumping outside.
Good to see David and that he is doing well.
so awesome seeing David like wow what a flashback to the OG videos
Drill holes in the aluminum angle and use wood screws and ditch the ratchet strap
Need Tommy to Hit that double on the Sur Ron - Chris please make this happen do what ever it takes!
Yes!!
Dude Chris you could of just drilled like 3 holes in each of the angled pieces of aluminum and threw a few screws through won't move after and subs are best facing the rear of the car but the box should also be pushed up against the rear seats then mounted I've put tons of systems in people's cars as a lil business to make some cash but yea
Can we just appreciate Matt for putting a blue timeline indicating when the ad will be over?
Thanks dood.
Facts, he's a g and honestly I'm really really happy to see him be a part of the channel here in CT
Edit. I don't know he just seems like a mad chill dude I'd love to be friends with, not like I wouldn't wanna be friends with Chris but Matt just has his own vibe which is fucking awesome!
Will, subs bouncing off the back of the trunk like rudnick has now is louder, facing towards the cabin is only louder if you seal off the trunk with the subs towards the cabin, you need to have seats down as well
Also with my experience it helps hide the distortion. But he also prob doesn't have the subs wired to hit as hard as they could he's prob only running 4ohm on the amp Bridged. So he's splitting 1 channels power between both subs instead of using both 1 go each. Or wire the subs to do 2 ohms which would make them hit twice as hard. ( if they can be ran at 2 ohms.) Those subs prob only hit mids and highs. But low bass is prob sloppy.
@@snickers882 well in the box they're in yeah its a ported box designed to be loud in the higher frequencies, you can hear it distort on all the lower notes
Let's see a short build vid on the Saab
We need more David!! and Mambo
More David for sure
I had a sub in my 98 prelude and when i cranked the sub on max it put such a high load on the alternator it made the belt start to squeal.
Subs sound much better facing the rear like u have it
Also an FD rx7 wing would complete the hotboi miata
All you had to do is screw the box to the the ground of the trunk it looks cleaner
This. Except you want to replace the shitty trunk floor with a sheet of wood. Most older cars trunks are basically thick cardboard.
@@honduh9348 don't even need to replace it. Just throw it under the factory floor.
Mounting subs is easy, and Ruddy over-engineered the shit out of it. The kicker being, it won't be as secure lol
If you tape Velcro together you can stick it against the carpet on the subwoofer and the carpet in the trunk. No need for drilling holes and having ratchet straps. It bumps tho and it’s still something I would’ve done. Just shooting out ideas.
Took an acoustics class in college, yes the sub needs air around to work best. Either that or something to resonate on, but if it was resonating through contact it will just make shit rattle more
I usually do L brackets and cut a slit in the wood panel so it comes out clean. But a ratchetstrap is pretty common tho.
Chris you should have drilled holes through the side of the angle iron. used stainless steel screws too screw into the box itself. that thing would never move and it would look a lot cleaner
I had a 1988 honda city with 2 15in devastator subs 3000w rms each and a 4000w amp, it took the whole back, i had to squeeze the sub boxes in, that bumped hard!!!
Doesn’t matter what way around the sub goes, if it’s sealed in the boot ‘trunk’ it’s best
Coming for that Fyeah spec with ratchet straps 😂
I understand the need for the bump and I’m glad to finally see this on the channel, I’ve got an old school 15” Treo in the trunk of a 2000 civic coupe and had to take the back seats out to even fit it in the trunk!
The box matters more! You use a bandpass enclosure in a hatch back! Shit sounds dank af!
I had subwoofers years ago, and I just used angle on the sides and front and used self tappers into the trunk. Don’t screw anything into the box.
subs use the trunk to move the air which makes it louder, if you move it towards you, it would sound quieter
The reason people have their subs firing towards the back is because the bass bounces the trunk lid and essentially uses the truck to amplify the bass. For a bigger car like that I would get a ported box for those subs if you want a deeper sounding bass.
"I still got some haggard in me"
No fucking shit.
Don't worry with time the haggard eventually fade out
Pro tip velcro strips to hold the sub in place works a treatt
Yeah I did the same 20 years ago back when I bothered to upgrade my sound systems , never had any problems with the velcro ✌️
So there’s a hole in the sub box so it can breath so the hole should be facing open space and not be blocked by the seat.
Those are set up fine, the sound will bounce off the back of trunk making it loud 👍🏼
would love to see rudnik get into pbc, destro lonely, kankan etc with his new system. That would be a sight to see
car duty sounds like such a sick idea
I'm definitely gonna go sign up
A class D mono block amp with a good RMS wattage will bump those subs.
That's what he bought a few videos back now, big boy one after the first one he bought was a 4 channel and not doing the job.
E46 owner here. I cut out my ski hole in my rear bulkhead behind the rear seats, mounted a 10inch sub in the hole on 25mm MDF boss in the hole facing the front cabin. AMP mounted flush in boot floor and all cables hidden. Bumps hard and no rattles. People need to realise more bass doesn’t equal quality. You want to compliment your speakers not drown them out 🤣
Home Depot has threaded inserts that you “screw” into the wood so there’s a mounting point.
I use them on any wood project that needs to be removable.
Dude please keep the hotboi, it’s the nicest Miata you have aside from the sunburst
Nice to see David in a video!
That Miata clip of pulling out the shop was sick .
Good editing 👍
I just screwed the angle iron to the box and the trunk floor. I definitely bumped louder, and my trunk was cleaner lol
If it works, it works lol love the video’s
Could have used wood screws and screwed them into the box unless you are jumping your car on a regular basis the wood screws wouldn’t rip out.
Great video I like the idea of you putting subs in your car.
I’m fockin *PISSED*
It doesn’t matter which way you have subs facing because bass frequencies are omnidirectional unlike midrange and high frequencies which do matter which way they’re facing because they’re directional. That’s why door speakers and tweeters are facing you or the windshield to reflect.
When it comes to someone like them that do not know anything about hooking up subs. Facing the rear will help minimize the distortion. Because I bet he has his bass on the head unit maxed out which is a big no no. Because it makes the top load sound flat. you always want the headunit to be negative and let the amp do the work. It prob hits mids and highs good but low bass is prob crap. But hey as long as he's happy I'm happy for him
I used a stock car jack to keep it tight to the side in my crown vic
Looks a lot better than straps and it never moves
If you use Velcro and put it on the bottom of the subs then the other part on the floor it will work
Tommy needs to get Tyler out to Grant's pitbike track.
NASA Engineer here, approve of the ratchet strap engineering
Yesssssss.... thank you matt for finally adding a GD ad bar
You really should do a give away for the hot boi!!
Got that Uzi bumping, gotta love it
if your trying to set a tire with either you have to get the either inside the tire not just on the rim take the valve core out and spray in that way
The black jzx will look fye
I want to see one of your cars in mystic chrome, absolutely beautiful color.
Lol will was funny saying shouldn't it be facing the other way, nope bass waves are long so you always face towards the back, also if you roll the windows down it will release pressure and sound better
I had a 15" sub in my boosted civic hatch when it was daily driven, Had a sheet of plywood wrapped in carpet as the cargo area floor, self tappered into the sheet metal, and then I screwed the box to the plywood from the inside, but my sub was facing up wasnt too bad to remove if I ever was removing the sub box which was only when i stopped daily driving it
Most subs are omnidirectional speakers and do not need to be facing any specific Direction they just need the most airflow
Always stoked for the uploads
If you did junk colors for the jzx that would be cool but if not maybe on a future project
I don't want the hot boi Miata sold ever, it looks so good and sounds amazing.
it has to do with the wavelength of the sound, thats why facing it backwards makes it better
The hotboi looks so sick it would honestly be a shame to not see it again
Super excited for that GC8 content!
If you just put velcro strips on the bottom of the sub the weight of the sub will stick it to the carpet really good it won't move.
Another great video guys keep up the hard work lads respect to you your killing it 👍😎👌💯👆💪🤙
I have a ratchet strap holding my sub box too. Been bumping and ripping for years!
Hes is right on the sub, the subs should have room to breath or be designed to slot load. The hole in the middle is to let the back sound wave out.
The bump will be loudest 10-15 feet from the speakers. You can blow out a windshield with long through subs. Size of sub gets it deeper but not a big increase in efficacy.
Project truck tuned horn subs like in a klipsh horn. Have the exits blended in as fender vents. They will hear you a mile away.
I think the best part of this video is finding out Rudnik listens to Uzi
Ruddy has those LZ Fade ratchet straps, sick dood
You need speakers for vocals and highs for music to sound clear from outside try getting a chuchero box or door speakers
It all has to do with the acoustic of the car. Some sound better facing forward, some facing up
Velcro works well to hold subs down held down 2 x15
Use deodorant for popping the tires on. Expands faster than brake cleaner
I have a pretty nice system in my drift car and I used L brackets and screwed them to the wood below and the box and also a ratchet strap. DONT JUST USE THE STRAP lol. I did the shake test and one yeet and the box was already moving around.
ADD THE L BRACKETS
Bruh I hope the Toyota’s safe 😭
put L brackets on the bottom on all 4 sides so it doesn't move back and forwards and use leather straps instead of ratchets
Let’s go!!! These are the videos we been waiting on! I didn’t even know you were hitting up hyperfest! Huge W!!
That’s how I kept mine from moving in my xj, damn near rolled it and the box didn’t move
I’m not an installer pro but I’ve done 4 of my own systems and all the tuning and Bass always sounds better when they bounce off a surface first! Idc what anyone says It never sounds good w subs pointing toward the seats the bass just doesn’t hit as hard! It also depends if it’s a band pass or sealed box weather or not to let your seats down Sealed box facing the trunk w the seats up will hit the hardest. But rattle the car apart. You could also just bolt thru the box into the rivnut just pull the subs out of the box line up w the rivs and drill and bolt shitll never move but also a pain to get out..
Pull the speakers out and run bolts down though the box and in to the truck floor and then put speaks back together
Good to see David
lol the subs are proof that Chris will never change! its better for entertainment anyway 🤣 i feel like even when he's trying to do everything legit at least one thing has to be ghetto.
u can definitely riv nut into the box. my 2 12s had to brackets drilled into the sub and then into the trunk
Selling the best car he ever had
Ratchet straps are used to hold down the infrastructure sound systems I've seen in the UK.. nothing wrong with that, does the job and does it well 🤷♂️
20:05 best car on the channel 👌 🤣
Subs facing backwards, sound better, and hit harder. Only thing better is facing them down.
The same subs with a 500rms amp could bump harder also you could have bolted the sub box to the bracket and the bracket to the wood bottom.
Can't wait to see you tomorrow at hyperfest!!!!