The ultimate backward 3 turn tutorial!
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- Ultimate backward 3-turn tutorial! How to backwards three turn! #figureskating #iceskating
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Paul: Most fabulous ice skating video imaginable. Thank you.
I love the way Paul breaks these simple steps down into bite size pieces, starting on the wall, then two feet, and working up. Paul also likes to make long detailed videos with tons on content and zero wasted time, I love that. I have found that one of my pet peeves is coach springing a new skill on us on the ice and just demonstrating it as if it's nothing, and then turning us loose. My coach did that to me two weeks ago with exactly the current material. I had never even done a backwards three turn, but coach demonstrated it in an advanced style, with some flourish variations, and then told us to skate the circle that Paul shows us here about halfway in and put in the back to back turns. Of course I can't do that, look at all the detail Paul gives leading up to that, detailed explanation, focus on the skill, starting on the wall, going to two feet, gradually working up to a basic turn. My coach dropped all that on me in 60 seconds. Highly frustrating and I left the ice.
Breaking it down helps to process the building blocks while growing confidence. Foundations for any element should be strong for consistency, confidence and most importantly happy skaters!
11:50 "Think aboud id." 12:05 "Think about it." 12:15 "That's another way to think aboud id." 12:05 sounds so great!
I’m very aware of the words I use in teaching. I try very hard not to dictate that I has to be like this or it needs to be like that, I like to teach with a feeling… it feels like this… think about that… try it like this…
Thank you! I like that you have such "light" legs and everything seems easy.
I’ve never been told that I have light legs before 😂
Watching Paul act like a beginner and then demonstrate the back to back turns in the circle is surreal. His skating there is so smooth, so graceful, so effortless, he makes it look as easy as walking. He also repeatedly strikes various textbook poses rock solid. Ice skating is an interesting sport. Granted, I have zero talent, but it's murderously difficult and there is so much to learn! It just goes on and on. How long did it take me to learn a simple forward three turn? Like, several months of concerted practice, 50 turns each foot twice a week. Then I can do it but nowhere near "good." And it's like that for every single exercise of an infinite list, half of which is "essential." Even the easiest things, like one foot glide or backwards one foot glide or crossovers, not to even mention comparatively advanced but actually no-brainer steps like 3-turn or mohawk require real work to master. But great skaters like Paul just make it look so easy and smooth and gracefui and natural, like it's nothing. I think it's a combination of talent, great skates and blades, correct sharpening, correctly aligned blades (which probably a lot of students don't have), good coaching, natural ability (like straight feet, and legs that are the same length), and of course a lot of work. But it makes me marvel at the old people that discovered and invented ice skating and developed all these techniques and equipment, like a blade with a rocker. Paul says it may take seven months to learn a one foot spin. Imagine the guy that invented that, who ever even would imagine that it's possible at all and be confident enough of that to work at it for seven months?
It’s fascinating indeed and that said it’s only been refined as a sport over the last 125 years really. Before that it was purely a mode of transport! To go from single jumps to quadruple jumps testing the laws of human physics and refinement of timing and technique is incredible.
The history is fascinating. I might get round to doing a video about it one day, so much to plan with that though
FABULOUS video. I already watched Coach Julia's and although I am a fan of hers I may have found it a little brief. I watched this one and by the 8 minute mark I felt I was satisfied and I still had 7 minutes to go! I continued watching and was more and more impressed. When I got to 11:15 and Paul explained "Checking is turning your shoulders opposite of your torso," I was forced to stop viewing and comment here. I've heard various students ask "what does it mean 'to check"" and I've heard various explanations, including my own and but that's the best explanation I've heard and the first and only time I've heard it explained like that in 2 years of skating class with all sorts of coaches and watching hundreds of videos. Kudos Paul! You seem to have an ability to remember how difficult it is to learn this and are able to explain things well "as if I were a four year old" and really break down these seemingly simple steps into their component parts, and I really need that. Ironic that only the most talented skaters will become coaches, because a talented skater makes for a lousy teacher because since it came easily for them, they can't understand how anyone can find it so difficult and they can't understand how such a person needs to hear it explained because they never needed it explained and may have never heard a detailed explanation. Early on I watched coach at the local ice demonstrating checking to someone over and over. I tried to understand this seemingly simple movement but really couldn't. I can do it fine, but I never clearly understood what I was doing until now. I also knew that "checking" was "stopping rotation at a desired point," but Paul's demo here of how it can keep rotating or just stop bulls-eye on target makes it clear.
Glad you enjoyed it Larry, are you a fan of backward three turns?
@@iskatecoachA fan of doing them....no. A fan of watching you do them....yes.
Said with such definition! 🤣 well I hope this video helps you to at least endure them 😜
13:20 "Down in the knee, bounce up to make the blade light on the ice, make the turn, then back down in the knee." So then you are actually trying to bounce your weight off the ice for a split second and make it so there is no weight on the blade during the turn? That's a game changer! Some coaches teach that knee motion, others don't stress it. And many coaches have a minimalist style three turn that looks so effortless no knee motion is obvious. I knew I should use a knee motion like that but I found lots of reasons not to do it. "I don't need to bother to do that. Coach doesn't do it like that. That's too hard. I can't do that, I'll bother with it after I get good." Yessinia and Oleg teach that, but they don't mention that the point is to make the blade light. What i got from watching Yessinia is that the "down in the knee" part after the turn creates a "landing" effect as if she had just completed a jump and it looks so cool. When I saw her do that it convinced me to go to the trouble of that "down in the knee, up, and back down in the knee," however I can still get lazy about it, I still subconicously think it's a non-essential stylistic element. ***THAT'S*** the key. Up until today's video I felt it was "non-essential," but now, two years later, Coach Emeritus Paul was able to explain that it's not just style, it's mechanically necessary.
I love how deep you dissect the thought processes behind the teachings we do Larry. Thats true learning for you. Yes the knee action is essential as someone new to backward threes it’s simply easier for timing of when to turn and also to rock to the heel as it has less curve than the front of the blade but also as an advanced skater the same knee action brings flow and soft effortless float over the turn.
When you get super confident and efficient it’s possible to do very little bend to assist the turn, as an ice dancer I think the rose and fall of the knee is essential for aesthetics and flow. I actually cringe a little when people don’t do it because it looks flat 😂
Thank you sir this was very thorough appreciate the detailing especially fixing common errors very helpful
Thank you hope it helps
I love this ultimate indepth tutorial! Can you please do an ultimate series tutorial for all the turns; bracket, rocker, counters, loop turns, and twizzles.
I am developing a difficult turns course for all 50 difficult turns!! 😀
I was just going to mention initially practicing this as a double-three. I found this easier too, for the reasons you stated. It can give more confidence also and is best to start off (if you rotate the usual way) going into a RFI3 so you go onto your RBO edge, hold slightly then turning into a RBO3 to RFI. Pushing straight into it, many people over-do it and put their bodies in the wrong position at first. As an aside, I hate BI3's and would actually rather do Brackets - but that's just me!
Yes 💯 easier with momentum 👍🏼
you are so easy to follow ..the perfect teacher
Wow, thank you!
I agree.
Best back 3 turn lesson I’ve seen on videos and while on lesson. Been waiting for this far too long. Worked on these for 2 years and got no where. Thank you
Thanks a lot Ronnie 👍🏼 let me know if it helps on the ice!! Take notes with you lots of little tips in here
I will definitely let you know. I’ll be starting at the barrier/boards. It’s that rock back that scares me as 2 years ago I broke my wrist learning that turn from a very unqualified coach and the fear has stopped my progress. I love the progression you gave, so I have hope now. TY
@@ronniesturchio2302 Instead of thinking 'right at the back of the blade', mentally think 'middle.' Use the back of the rocker. If you are thinking 'back' on it's own, that's when people tend to over-do it. Edit to add: Most people learning this at first get too far over the toe and trip or fall off it, then they get their weight too far back in order to compensate. Keep your weight right over the blade. Don't lean either back or forwards - easier said than done at first, I know - that is why I say think more 'middle.'
@@lexiburrows8127My coach also explained that way.
Nice. Common mistakes are very helpful, and you demonstrate them beautifully. Great video
Thanks for watching!
This is difficult for me. All the mistakes you talked about, I have been doing. Tomorrow I have a lesson. I am working on my silver MTF, I will use your techniques and commit to the turn. Thank you very much. ❤
I will let you know my progress. I want to test by April (maybe before)
Let me know how it goes! Hope it helps!
Very good tips and great demonstrations. I have been struggling with these turns. After watching this video a few times I finally was able to make the turns though not smoothly yet.
Amazing 🤩 glad it helped 😀
Really helpful thsnkyou
Really helpful thankyou
Glad it helped
Excellent! Going to go off and try some if those exercises. I think i make all the mistakes you discussed 😂
Hope you can rectify them!
I *know* I did.
Eine sehr sehr gute Schritt für Schritt Erklärung!👍🤗Besonders hilfreich waren für mich deine Tipps über rückwärts Dreier;- unterschiedliche Gewichtsverlagerung (!) nach dem auswärts bzw. einwärts rückwärts Dreier, was für mich bis jetzt ein Problem war…Vielen Dank 🙏 👍⛸️
Thank you 🙏🏼 hope it helps on the ice!
Thanks for these 3 turn tutorial, I am practicing it on inline skate.
Great to hear!
Going to try it soon on the ice. For me, lifting the heels is the hardest part. Thank you for doing this tutorial! 🙏🏻🙂
Hope it helps!
lifting the toes * 😅
9:50 Don't forget both ways! Unless you do....then just reverse the film. LOLOLOL.
That’s a lefty trick 😂 it’s just to give the visual, it’s works though!
13:45 "Don't forget to comment below." Did you really mean that?
would love to see a video on half walley (not sure if thats the right word for it) to me it looks like a falling leaf jump but from an inside edge?
I know it yes 👍🏼 let me have a think, have you seen my mini tricks video? I could do a part 2 for that…
@@iskatecoach dont think I saw it - checking it out now!
if you put an arch support in does it mess with the knee bend?
It shouldn’t do, if anything it should support the foot better to feel safer to bend more, as long as the supports are needed and the right fit 👍🏼
knee bend needs a warm ham string?
feels like it is tight?
A warmup always helps 😊