Related: I think you (or some other folks like Spindatt) could do a great video (or perhaps you already have) on how much 'extra bang' you get for your buck over 1k for both road, gravel, and MTB. I've watched a ton of bike vids but have not really seen this addressed with any depth. I would love to hear in concrete, experiential terms, what you get, for example, with an extra 500 spent on a suspension fork, or on a frame that is 1 lb lighter, etc.
We all could afford the nicer bikes as well ,if people stopped buying em at the prices their asking. Carbon fiber is all over the place you mean to tell me its still that high priced etc
My first gravel bike ( and drop bar bike) was a 2019 Poseidon X. What a great bike - I loved it. The only thing that got me off it after a few years was the geometry was a bit harsh (over all frame stiffness) and I wanted more reach and a bit lower stand-over. I built up the bike with Sora 2x9, the quality of frame really impressed me. The ability to upgrade as I went made plenty of sense for a guy just starting into drop bars ( from MTB) and riding on and off the road too. I always recommend people starting out on a more adult and serious bike to start with a reasonable but quality frame . I went to another gravel bike after 3,500 miles , for the reasons I mention above). A roomate has it now with a full GRX 810 build on it and its STILL rockin ! I will ALWAYS recommend Poseidon!!
Without going into my complete experience I suggest checking all hex bolts-screws for cross thread stripping as soon as you unbox, before assembly. Stripped thread is not warranted if you find out after use. Next replace all those screws with better quality unpainted type
THANK YOU! I've been doing research on bikes for some time, going to buy today. I haven't found much information on the X Ambition, mostly just X and Redwood. This video helped cement my decision on purchasing the Ambition. It'll be my first 'real' bike! I'm upgrading from a far-too-small mid 90s Gary Fisher with road tires. It's my super budget gravel bike and it works hard! I think Ambition will be a smooth transition from my old Marlin. Can't wait to have a properly sized bicycle.
Although the tires are wider than the regular X, they both claim about the same max tire size. I run 700x42 and 650Bx1.9" on my X, no problem. I really wish this was available last year when I bought my X, as the aggressive frame geometry (road bike like) and subpar braking were my only qualms with the X. Also now it seems you can get the bike delivered AS A THRU AXLE with tubeless compatible wheels. THAT is a game changer and I can 1000% recommend doing that from the jump.
I ended up ordering one. I had been mulling over the redwood and x for quite a long time now. Just couldn’t decide since the redwood was too off-road oriented and for gbarlier trails I would rather just take my mtb. And the original X was just a tad too road oriented for what I had in mind. This thing is EXACTLY what I was wanting! Mine is supposed to be here tomorrow. So pumped!
The original X will clear a 700x43 with plenty of clearance. I think the only real difference here is the size of tire supplied. I switched out my old X to 650x50 and had plenty of clearance there too. It even cleared a 650x2.1 but was super close to rubbing so I didn't keep those around.
Another good video, but inaccurate with the tire clearances. The X comes with 700x35c, but fits 700x42 or 650b x 1.9. I have run both on my X. The change is X ambition comes stock with 700x40. Just want to clarify this for potential buyers. 🙂
I have 700 x 45c wtb riddlers on my original x with clearance love it! This ambition is such a small change the only real benefit is stand over height for me personally but even then I’m good with my current X. Great video non the less.
I live in a flat area. Most of my off-road is on logging roads and horse trails; nothing close needing suspension. I have the original X. After 30 years on rigid Trek’s it was really different. If you spend a lot of time on pavement but don’t want to feel like you are killing your bike when you hit gravel, it’s perfect. The sizing seems a little odd, but even that can be fine tuned with a new stem. The biggest surprise for me was that even with the original Kenda small block 8, fairly narrow tires it will go in sand almost as well as an old 26” with 2.2” tires.
Fuck yeah, been looking for this info. So basically it's the base X with better geometry. Just slap some road tires on the ambition and you got a road bike. Brb ordering one now.
Love your build video. Built up two of these up over the winter. 2022 for me and a 2023 for my son. A very simalar shimano build but we went wit 27.5x2.8 nobby nicks on velocity dualy rims. His looks super pimp with gold anodized accents, gold fork decals and gold spokes mine is all blacked out. Loving the plus tires for my old back. After riding 100-170mm full suspension bikes for the last 25 years. A good solid hardtail is the way to go for all day trail rides.
I have the early X and love the road geometry. I’ve done some upgrades and will be doing more. It’s a snappy and solid ride. I actually bought it to get into more gravel/road riding (as opposed to strictly tarmac) with the intention of upgrading the whole bike but have been so pleased with the Poseidon X that I’m just going to keep it and upgrade as I go along. Really a killer bike.
I just got a redwood drop bar and changed the tires over to tubeless and have to work on the brakes but besides that these bikes are so worth the money
Poseidon rosewood great bike. Now yes in stock form it's a buget beginner bike that can keep up. But in other hand take this bike and do mods. To the rosewood and you will have a beast! And remember when racing its not all the bike but the rider. . I have owned a rosewood for 2 years it's fast and it tears up the road. Poseidon is a great company to buy from. They always great on customer service 👏
Look like another fast selling bike. Poseidon is making a name for it self that the much bigger major bike companies will have to pay attention to. Even the thru axle upgrade cost is cheaper than all of the entry level bikes. Poseidon does a better parts build at the lower price points that basic upgrades make it worth it compared to other bike brands. Based on the pictures with stock 40mm tire guessing frame could do about 45mm -50mm tires. That is a test to do is max tire size plus showing the thru axle fork upgrade. A team friend just gave me Raleigh rx 2.0 CX demo bike barely used sitting in their storage the past few years. Takes a 40mm with thru axle. So it settle my needs for general use, races, and longer rides. If that did not happen I would be looking at this bike to support a local bike company and get a good deal. Test rode the X size xl at the Brea, CA HQ and it still seemed small for me with too much saddle to bar drop. This new bike will be seen a lot in open among the public and hopefully the greater cycling media.
I think what gravel bike manufacturers might want to consider is the “stand over” height when sizing. I’ve seen them name a small but the seat tube length is 520. This could be measured C to C or C to T but the bottom line is that is a long ST.
It's still amazing that they would redesign the frame and not give thru-axles. Really limits wheel options which would otherwise make for a great upgrade.
@@TheBikeSauce but thru axles don't really cost that much since their mechanism is actually simpler than a quick release. I honestly think thru axles are cheaper to manufacture.
Yeah, I'm not sure I buy that either. Unless there is considerably more finish machining the thru axle dropout tooling should be the cost, and I would assume they need to cut new dropout tools for the different geo on the new frame. I'm honestly surprised they are able to source a budget-friendly disc fork with QR dropouts. Seems like that must be a dying market. That said, I appreciate their commitment to the price point. Entry cost of the sport is so high, and the more people have access to good quality bikes the better!
At the start of this video I thought "this guy is going to take forever to say nothing", I was wrong, this is one of the best reviews I have seen. Thanks for the facts, just the well founded facts.
Nice shirt bro. I have 2 X's and they don't live in Texas lol... I ride 150 MI plus a week. Commute. I'm probably gonna grab one of these as well. Cannondale for my fast rides I've got that.
1 point about small bike frames with "perfectly" sized sloping top tubes for small riders. Almost no bags fit in that small triangle :( . Not a minor thing either for a serious gravel rider. That frame triangle area is a very important place to store heavy items because the weight a lot easier to carry there and does not change the bike handling. I upgraded to a frame with a higher top tube that I kind of sit on with my heels on the ground. Great trade-off. Now many bags fit in my frame.
Quick question about the X Ambition. With the stock 40mm tires on the Ambition, will I be able to fit those tires on a 30mm rim? If so, what setbacks might I face?
I will get this updated X as addition to my Redwood :) Waiting for Poseidon to come up with True Axel upgrade kit first. Love the brushed clear aluminum look !
@@vmxd Yes. The existing T/A conversion kit will work with the new X Ambition. You just can't order it as a build option when you buy the bike (yet) like you can with the original X. So you have to get the bike stock with QR and then order the upgrade separate. However, if you wait a couple weeks, you should be able to select the T/A as a build option and just have it come that way.
@@TheBeatenPathJP Their upgrade package makes no sense. You pay 700 for the bike (the price which includes a complete bike with QR wheels), then pay an additional 300 for the thru axle kit and you don't even get the second wheelset. I understand paying extra for the thru axle, but paying 300 (400 if purchased separately) is a rip off. Buy the time you go through all that you could have saved 100 and just bought the Redwood (I am a former Redwood owner)
@@tommyguns5474 I don't pretend to know the logic behind the pricing from a business standpoint. I'm guessing the bulk of the cost of the upgrade is in the fork, not the wheels. The stock wheels aren't anything special (QR or T/A). For me personally, I was always going to upgrade the wheels. So for me to upgrade to T/A after the fact, I only needed the $175 upgrade option that included the fork and rear drop outs.
Thanks for this video - but maybe for the opposite reason than you might think. Last fall I bought my son an X which I "roadified" as his run around town bike. I had FOMO about a new model coming out. However as this is clearly less road oriented, no bother. Edit: Changes on his bike (flatbar X) -- Gatorskin 32s, 42T chainring, 12-28 cluster, Tektro compressionless brake housing.
If it is a flatbar, wouldn't an MT200 hydraulic brake set be a better choice? It can be installed on flat mount bikes using adapters or just replace the caliper with BR-UR300 flat mount calipers. 42t ring on 12t-28t seems to be setup for relatively flat roads. I would have chosen 46t-30t 2X rings and 11t-36t cassette for a "roadified" setup, but i live in a hilly town.
@@sepg5084 I'm in the Chicago area, the only place I've been to that's flatter is Houston. I'm also old enough that ratios for about 40 to 100 inches were considered wide, 60 to 100 were considered normal if you were fit or sporting, so 42 x12..28 seems plenty wide to me. Yes hydraulics probably would be better, (or composites), but that means spending money, better cables are a lot less. Let's see how much my son uses it before I spend more.
I have been looking for a gravel bike exactly like this. Something that is good on the road but can handle a basic gravel trail. Just placed my order because of this video so now, can you do a build guide on a flat bar x ambition 😂
Just rewatched this year old video. Im considering the x ambition but i never see anything regarding the frame stiffness/ compliance which makes me think its and affordable bone jarring ride.
It's an interesting choice to stick with QR as the stock set up. It seems to go against the direction the industry is already heading. I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing it is to maintain a certain entry price point. They do have a thru axel conversion kit available that works with both models of the X. It's supposed to be available as an option to install at time of purchase on the new X Ambition in the coming weeks, but for now you have to order it separately.
Claiming larger tire clearance than the X is one thing, but is it actually different? Did Poseidon actually widen the seatstays and chainstays compared to the X? And is it a different fork? Many X owners confirmed the X can already fit 40s.
How much does 1deg head tube angle make a difference? Other than stand over height, and seat post compliance, what difference does a sloping top tube make?
Spent about 500 miles on it and so far so good. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA Pros:1. Very light2. Solid quality build3. Fast delivery: It arrived 5 weeks earlier than expected.4. Easy assemblyJust a few cons but nothing major:1. Cheap tin tubes and had flat on first day... but not a big deal. I replaced the tubes.2. Seat is a bit uncomfortable but that's pretty much the same situation with most bikes.3. Seat post is a bit long/high for a smaller size 48 bike - had to saw 2 inch off to fit properly. The lowest setting is too high. The post locking system does not seem to hold well (perhaps because I saw 2 inch off).4. wheels are not tubeless compatible (from what I can tell)
Sorry just seen it offered in other colors. But I’m gonna pass I don’t need to spend $60 on an assembly I can’t seem to get that out of the car they give you $100 off of Fourth of July but technically only 50 when they had that other assembly for you and then I will pass.
As I am currently considering Poseidon X Ambition, medium size, purchase, how does bike ride: either on top of bike or in the bike feel due to upright bike geometry? Due to 20" seat post and short top tube length, I am concerned rider (5'8" and 140 lbs.) will ride more upright position, on top of bike, instead of in the bike feel. Please respond to my concern. Thanks
I’ve been looking for a bike which gives a more upright position. If I had the money I’d seriously consider the Jones Bike. I saw the X Ambition online last week and it actually does a lot of what I am looking for. The top tube doesn’t slope as much and the tires are more narrow. But for $2k less this may be something to consider.
Have you looked at the latest generation Pipedream A.L.I.C.E.? If you want a more upright geometry with a sloping top tube (it is sloped, but not to an extreme extent like some bikes which I dont really care for), this might be of interest. The tire clearance is massive while still allowing for road cranks, which in some ways makes it better than the Redwood which forces you to use mountain bike cranks. If you prefer 700c rims, the ALICE allows for much wider rins than even the Redwood, which is quite the feat. The only downside is unless you live in the UK, it only sells as a frame and fork combo, not a whole bike.
Redwood can be set up tubeless with the factory rims and tires. Also, I managed to squeeze a 3” wide tire on my redwood for some sand and snow riding and it’s awesome.
@@TheBikeSauce I think Poseidon would disagree with this. If the rims are not tubeless compatible there is definitely a risk of failure. I’ve seen and heard of people trying this and sometimes it works but sometimes there is catastrophic failure. Poseidon is very adamant about the rims on the X not being tubeless compatible and that you would need to buy a new wheel set to go tubeless. The redwood on the other hand has tubeless rims and can be converted.
@@JBthePAdashC Do you actually know the difference between a "tubeless" rim vs non? Its not significant and only requires you to layer up tape to build bead up a bead lock. This isn't rocket science.
@@TheBikeSauce I don't ride alot because of work but when u get a chance I find challenges. I planned a ride to Buffalo but it was way too cold and I had to turn around.
To be honest, people put too much value on having TA. If it comes QR, it’ll be fine and you likely won’t feel a difference going thru axle. But the option is available nonetheless
I don’t mind a bike being a little on the heavier side, but 25lb is a lot. Microshift one bye. Two bye 11 or 12, 20 lb-19 lb I’d buy it. I’m looking for a gravel or endurance road , getting tired of looking at over priced cheap group set bikes. I may have to wait for the after Covid bike crash. It’s going to happen. If raise prices over 80 percent , it’s coming
I have an original x, but I'm thinking the clearances are about the same with the x ambition. On the x I can fit 650b 2.2 in the front, and 2.0 in the back. Also, I've run 700 43mm with room to spare. Hope this helps.
This seems like a really backwards decision by Poseidon. This is the very change the Redwood needed (only a bit more agressive) before they went tinkering with the X. Makes no sense. The riders who are much more likely to be spending more hours on the bike and thus would benefit more from an endurance geometry are the Redwood riders since it is clearly the more bikepack oriented bike of the two. The whole point of the X is that it is the racier bike of the two.
X and redwood are too completely different category of bikes. X is a CX bike. They needed a proper gravel bike for the more all-road side of things and the original X is not that.
Honestly think the Redwood is perfect as is. I've been riding mine for 2 years. Every type of gravel surface imaginable, along with single track, and even some tarmac thrown in for good measure.
@@TheBeatenPathJP I think it could benefit from a carbon fork option to cut some weight. But yeah, esp if you already have a set of narrow 29" XC wheels laying around. In that case its probably one of the better bikes you could spend money on. Or really, if you have any spare MTB parts in a bin, this is probably the frame to buy since its got the same 73mm BB.
Redwood is a perfect all around bike. For mellow gravel and road and commute, I use light 700c Hunt wheels, for trail, snow etc, I use original stock rims with 2.8 Continental tires. But I would like to get X as well and build it for commuting oad\mellow gravel only :)
@@vmxd Agree! Now that I have both, I plan on using the Redwood for "rowdier" gravel rides and single track. I'll use the X Ambition for longer hard pack gravel rides, road, and it will likely be my choice when doing gravel events.
Why would someone want to have two gravel bikes. I once had two road bikes the differences between them were minor. The more expensive one was a bit slower a little lighter and more comfortable. The less expensive one is faster 100th of a lbs heavier and more responsive. Go figure. I sold the more expensive one due to these facts
I have really appreciated your content, but the relentless promotion of Poseidon makes this channel feel like long term marketing…. hoping you can find the time to round out for more diversity…… if you are too busy for that then why bother? Much love and respect, just don’t want to see you slide into commercialized oblivion
100%. It’s just how the recent video have been stacked up. 2023 will see 2 new non Poseidon builds from the frame up and some more sciency stuff as well. Cheers! Thanks for the feedback
35 to 40 tires, why buy that brand when Canyon sells one gravel bike with 45 and up to 50 tires for 1200 to 1400 and is a establish brand, prices are about the same if not less. You might not think you are selling those bikes but you are, the least you can do is tell the price so people don't get ripped off when they go to a bike shop.
As I am currently considering Poseidon X Ambition, medium size, purchase, how does bike ride: either on top of bike or in the bike feel due to upright bike geometry? Due to 20" seat post and short top tube length, I am concerned rider (5'8" and 140 lbs.) will ride more upright position, on top of bike, instead of in the bike feel. Please respond to my concern. Thanks
Big 👍 for unpretentious coverage of bikes normal people can afford.
Related: I think you (or some other folks like Spindatt) could do a great video (or perhaps you already have) on how much 'extra bang' you get for your buck over 1k for both road, gravel, and MTB. I've watched a ton of bike vids but have not really seen this addressed with any depth. I would love to hear in concrete, experiential terms, what you get, for example, with an extra 500 spent on a suspension fork, or on a frame that is 1 lb lighter, etc.
Agreed
That’s a great idea!
We all could afford the nicer bikes as well ,if people stopped buying em at the prices their asking. Carbon fiber is all over the place you mean to tell me its still that high priced etc
Seriously thank you, these ludites showing "cheap" or "budget" bikes at almost $2000 is completely insane. @@TheBikeSauce
Good on you for wearin the Spindatt tshirt. Genuine cyclists on TH-cam supporting each other is always great. Glad m a subscriber
My first gravel bike ( and drop bar bike) was a 2019 Poseidon X. What a great bike - I loved it. The only thing that got me off it after a few years was the geometry was a bit harsh (over all frame stiffness) and I wanted more reach and a bit lower stand-over. I built up the bike with Sora 2x9, the quality of frame really impressed me. The ability to upgrade as I went made plenty of sense for a guy just starting into drop bars ( from MTB) and riding on and off the road too.
I always recommend people starting out on a more adult and serious bike to start with a reasonable but quality frame .
I went to another gravel bike after 3,500 miles , for the reasons I mention above). A roomate has it now with a full GRX 810 build on it and its
STILL rockin ! I will ALWAYS recommend
Poseidon!!
My X Ambition is scheduled for delivery Tuesday, I’m excited!
How is it?
Any updates on your bike? Did it meet or exceed your expectations?
How's the bike?
@@ShouldaWaved I love it!
@@Phil-nl9ed it’s a great bike!
I had the X and now the X Ambition.
They are a Class Act, I am pleased with the bikes and the Company Poseidon.
Without going into my complete experience I suggest checking all hex bolts-screws for cross thread stripping as soon as you unbox, before assembly. Stripped thread is not warranted if you find out after use. Next replace all those screws with better quality unpainted type
THANK YOU! I've been doing research on bikes for some time, going to buy today. I haven't found much information on the X Ambition, mostly just X and Redwood. This video helped cement my decision on purchasing the Ambition. It'll be my first 'real' bike! I'm upgrading from a far-too-small mid 90s Gary Fisher with road tires. It's my super budget gravel bike and it works hard! I think Ambition will be a smooth transition from my old Marlin. Can't wait to have a properly sized bicycle.
Congrats! Save that old Gary fisher!
Great video. The Poseidon X actually does fit a 40 mm tire.
Although the tires are wider than the regular X, they both claim about the same max tire size. I run 700x42 and 650Bx1.9" on my X, no problem. I really wish this was available last year when I bought my X, as the aggressive frame geometry (road bike like) and subpar braking were my only qualms with the X. Also now it seems you can get the bike delivered AS A THRU AXLE with tubeless compatible wheels. THAT is a game changer and I can 1000% recommend doing that from the jump.
I ended up ordering one. I had been mulling over the redwood and x for quite a long time now. Just couldn’t decide since the redwood was too off-road oriented and for gbarlier trails I would rather just take my mtb. And the original X was just a tad too road oriented for what I had in mind. This thing is EXACTLY what I was wanting! Mine is supposed to be here tomorrow. So pumped!
Happy NBD!
How do you like your new bike?
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The brakes badly needed upgrading on the X. Glad Poseidon made that happen.
X ambition is scheduled for delivery Thursday...Great video !!!!!
I’m a Redwood owner, but this X would have tempted me big time if I was looking for one today
The original X will clear a 700x43 with plenty of clearance. I think the only real difference here is the size of tire supplied. I switched out my old X to 650x50 and had plenty of clearance there too. It even cleared a 650x2.1 but was super close to rubbing so I didn't keep those around.
Yea could just be a different mnfr max size.
Another good video, but inaccurate with the tire clearances. The X comes with 700x35c, but fits 700x42 or 650b x 1.9. I have run both on my X. The change is X ambition comes stock with 700x40. Just want to clarify this for potential buyers. 🙂
I think you’re right. The original X can definitely go up in width. Wasn’t sure how far you could push it tho
Yep, I put 38c on my custom build & there is plenty of room still. I like the lively ride of the X geometry.
I’m running 700x40 Flatbar X. Loving it.
Looks like an awesome bike. Thanks for the video!
I have 700 x 45c wtb riddlers on my original x with clearance love it! This ambition is such a small change the only real benefit is stand over height for me personally but even then I’m good with my current X. Great video non the less.
I live in a flat area. Most of my off-road is on logging roads and horse trails; nothing close needing suspension. I have the original X. After 30 years on rigid Trek’s it was really different. If you spend a lot of time on pavement but don’t want to feel like you are killing your bike when you hit gravel, it’s perfect. The sizing seems a little odd, but even that can be fine tuned with a new stem. The biggest surprise for me was that even with the original Kenda small block 8, fairly narrow tires it will go in sand almost as well as an old 26” with 2.2” tires.
One note: After consulting Poseidon, both frames have the same tire clearance (~ 42mm) but are stocked with different tires, as you note.
I run WTB 44mm Byway tires without any issues.
Fuck yeah, been looking for this info. So basically it's the base X with better geometry. Just slap some road tires on the ambition and you got a road bike. Brb ordering one now.
Love your build video. Built up two of these up over the winter. 2022 for me and a 2023 for my son. A very simalar shimano build but we went wit 27.5x2.8 nobby nicks on velocity dualy rims. His looks super pimp with gold anodized accents, gold fork decals and gold spokes mine is all blacked out. Loving the plus tires for my old back. After riding 100-170mm full suspension bikes for the last 25 years. A good solid hardtail is the way to go for all day trail rides.
I have the early X and love the road geometry. I’ve done some upgrades and will be doing more. It’s a snappy and solid ride. I actually bought it to get into more gravel/road riding (as opposed to strictly tarmac) with the intention of upgrading the whole bike but have been so pleased with the Poseidon X that I’m just going to keep it and upgrade as I go along. Really a killer bike.
Nice! What upgrades did you make?
Please indicate if bike ride is either on top of bike or in the bike feel due to upright bike geometry
I just got a redwood drop bar and changed the tires over to tubeless and have to work on the brakes but besides that these bikes are so worth the money
Poseidon rosewood great bike. Now yes in stock form it's a buget beginner bike that can keep up. But in other hand take this bike and do mods. To the rosewood and you will have a beast! And remember when racing its not all the bike but the rider. . I have owned a rosewood for 2 years it's fast and it tears up the road. Poseidon is a great company to buy from. They always great on customer service 👏
Look like another fast selling bike. Poseidon is making a name for it self that the much bigger major bike companies will have to pay attention to. Even the thru axle upgrade cost is cheaper than all of the entry level bikes. Poseidon does a better parts build at the lower price points that basic upgrades make it worth it compared to other bike brands. Based on the pictures with stock 40mm tire guessing frame could do about 45mm -50mm tires. That is a test to do is max tire size plus showing the thru axle fork upgrade.
A team friend just gave me Raleigh rx 2.0 CX demo bike barely used sitting in their storage the past few years. Takes a 40mm with thru axle. So it settle my needs for general use, races, and longer rides. If that did not happen I would be looking at this bike to support a local bike company and get a good deal. Test rode the X size xl at the Brea, CA HQ and it still seemed small for me with too much saddle to bar drop. This new bike will be seen a lot in open among the public and hopefully the greater cycling media.
Poseidon does cool things but I don't think you comprehend just how big the likes of Giant is.
I think what gravel bike manufacturers might want to consider is the “stand over” height when sizing. I’ve seen them name a small but the seat tube length is 520. This could be measured C to C or C to T but the bottom line is that is a long ST.
It's still amazing that they would redesign the frame and not give thru-axles. Really limits wheel options which would otherwise make for a great upgrade.
Yea, it’s a budget bike, so there are always compromises. They do sell a thru axle conversion kit for those who decide they need it.
Surprised me too. It certainly would have raised the price less than having to convert afterwards.
@@TheBikeSauce but thru axles don't really cost that much since their mechanism is actually simpler than a quick release. I honestly think thru axles are cheaper to manufacture.
Yeah, I'm not sure I buy that either. Unless there is considerably more finish machining the thru axle dropout tooling should be the cost, and I would assume they need to cut new dropout tools for the different geo on the new frame.
I'm honestly surprised they are able to source a budget-friendly disc fork with QR dropouts. Seems like that must be a dying market.
That said, I appreciate their commitment to the price point. Entry cost of the sport is so high, and the more people have access to good quality bikes the better!
Could be. I don’t have any insight into the business side at Poseidon. I just ride their bikes 😀
At the start of this video I thought "this guy is going to take forever to say nothing", I was wrong, this is one of the best reviews I have seen. Thanks for the facts, just the well founded facts.
What about the start of the video made you feel that way? Truly curious, I don't want people to have that reaction in the first 5 seconds.
I lack patience. Your videos are superb, I just watched it again, thank you.
Some bikes these days are a really great value for the bucks.
Nice shirt bro. I have 2 X's and they don't live in Texas lol... I ride 150 MI plus a week. Commute. I'm probably gonna grab one of these as well. Cannondale for my fast rides I've got that.
never looked into roseidon bikes looks like a nice way to get into it very affordable
1 point about small bike frames with "perfectly" sized sloping top tubes for small riders. Almost no bags fit in that small triangle :( . Not a minor thing either for a serious gravel rider. That frame triangle area is a very important place to store heavy items because the weight a lot easier to carry there and does not change the bike handling. I upgraded to a frame with a higher top tube that I kind of sit on with my heels on the ground. Great trade-off. Now many bags fit in my frame.
👍. Great, I’ve been looking for something like that , that won’t break the bank.
Great video. Thank you for your review.
I have a poseidon x in black but loving the new color line. Great video🚴♂️🚴♂️🚴♂️
Quick question about the X Ambition. With the stock 40mm tires on the Ambition, will I be able to fit those tires on a 30mm rim? If so, what setbacks might I face?
😍That is one AWESOME looking bike 😍 and love T-shirt.🤘🏼
5:52 @spindatt 😆
@@TheBikeSauce I know. I noticed that too…LOL…LOVE the LOVE.
When are you coming out with more merchandise? While minimal, I'd like to support you with more than just likes and the stickers I already have.
Much appreciated! Maybe a shirt down the line, nothing concrete right now
This sounds like a great new offering, especially as a fellow standover-challenged rider. BTW, I didn't realize they were also here in CA.
Yea, you can get a test ride from their hq and try em out
The Original X does not max out at 35mm tires. I have 40's on mine right now.
I will get this updated X as addition to my Redwood :) Waiting for Poseidon to come up with True Axel upgrade kit first. Love the brushed clear aluminum look !
The existing thru axel upgrade kit will work work on the new X Ambition. It's just not offered as an add-on option at checkout yet.
@@TheBeatenPathJP so the frame drop outs have the same design as original X for TA conversion ?
@@vmxd Yes. The existing T/A conversion kit will work with the new X Ambition. You just can't order it as a build option when you buy the bike (yet) like you can with the original X. So you have to get the bike stock with QR and then order the upgrade separate. However, if you wait a couple weeks, you should be able to select the T/A as a build option and just have it come that way.
@@TheBeatenPathJP Their upgrade package makes no sense. You pay 700 for the bike (the price which includes a complete bike with QR wheels), then pay an additional 300 for the thru axle kit and you don't even get the second wheelset. I understand paying extra for the thru axle, but paying 300 (400 if purchased separately) is a rip off. Buy the time you go through all that you could have saved 100 and just bought the Redwood (I am a former Redwood owner)
@@tommyguns5474 I don't pretend to know the logic behind the pricing from a business standpoint. I'm guessing the bulk of the cost of the upgrade is in the fork, not the wheels. The stock wheels aren't anything special (QR or T/A). For me personally, I was always going to upgrade the wheels. So for me to upgrade to T/A after the fact, I only needed the $175 upgrade option that included the fork and rear drop outs.
Thanks for this video - but maybe for the opposite reason than you might think. Last fall I bought my son an X which I "roadified" as his run around town bike. I had FOMO about a new model coming out. However as this is clearly less road oriented, no bother.
Edit: Changes on his bike (flatbar X) -- Gatorskin 32s, 42T chainring, 12-28 cluster, Tektro compressionless brake housing.
If it is a flatbar, wouldn't an MT200 hydraulic brake set be a better choice? It can be installed on flat mount bikes using adapters or just replace the caliper with BR-UR300 flat mount calipers.
42t ring on 12t-28t seems to be setup for relatively flat roads. I would have chosen 46t-30t 2X rings and 11t-36t cassette for a "roadified" setup, but i live in a hilly town.
@@sepg5084 I'm in the Chicago area, the only place I've been to that's flatter is Houston. I'm also old enough that ratios for about 40 to 100 inches were considered wide, 60 to 100 were considered normal if you were fit or sporting, so 42 x12..28 seems plenty wide to me. Yes hydraulics probably would be better, (or composites), but that means spending money, better cables are a lot less. Let's see how much my son uses it before I spend more.
Love the Spindatt Shirt!
I have been looking for a gravel bike exactly like this. Something that is good on the road but can handle a basic gravel trail. Just placed my order because of this video so now, can you do a build guide on a flat bar x ambition 😂
Congrats! The X Ambition build video combined with the regular flatcar X build video should give you everything you need!
Unfortunately they are too tall with stand over. I can't mount with a 27.5 in inseam. Ended up with a Salsa Jouyneyer.
I have the flat bar regular Poseidon X with the Happy Medium tires 700 by 40c. And there is room for larger..
Glad I didn’t get an X yet. This looks amazing.
If I didn't buy an X in 2021, I would be buying a Priority Apollo right now. My god that bike looks so awesome.
Poseidon x ambition vs salsa journeyer - which would you choose for a daily rider
Thanks mr sauce.
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The X is my dream bike now i have another dream 😂
Just rewatched this year old video. Im considering the x ambition but i never see anything regarding the frame stiffness/ compliance which makes me think its and affordable bone jarring ride.
I would have paid an extra 100 dollars just to have through axles. I don't understand why they are still using QR.
It's an interesting choice to stick with QR as the stock set up. It seems to go against the direction the industry is already heading. I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing it is to maintain a certain entry price point. They do have a thru axel conversion kit available that works with both models of the X. It's supposed to be available as an option to install at time of purchase on the new X Ambition in the coming weeks, but for now you have to order it separately.
Claiming larger tire clearance than the X is one thing, but is it actually different? Did Poseidon actually widen the seatstays and chainstays compared to the X? And is it a different fork? Many X owners confirmed the X can already fit 40s.
I have one on the way.
spindatt shirt :D loved the video
How much does 1deg head tube angle make a difference?
Other than stand over height, and seat post compliance, what difference does a sloping top tube make?
Spent about 500 miles on it and so far so good. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA Pros:1. Very light2. Solid quality build3. Fast delivery: It arrived 5 weeks earlier than expected.4. Easy assemblyJust a few cons but nothing major:1. Cheap tin tubes and had flat on first day... but not a big deal. I replaced the tubes.2. Seat is a bit uncomfortable but that's pretty much the same situation with most bikes.3. Seat post is a bit long/high for a smaller size 48 bike - had to saw 2 inch off to fit properly. The lowest setting is too high. The post locking system does not seem to hold well (perhaps because I saw 2 inch off).4. wheels are not tubeless compatible (from what I can tell)
I choose it of all too but color makes me want something else
Sorry just seen it offered in other colors. But I’m gonna pass I don’t need to spend $60 on an assembly I can’t seem to get that out of the car they give you $100 off of Fourth of July but technically only 50 when they had that other assembly for you and then I will pass.
I know the wheels aren't tubeless ready on either but it appears the Ambition tires are at least TR. Can you confirm?
I have a choice between this and a 2020 state all road woth upgraded cassette for climbing for $600. Which would you go with?
Nice shirt.🤙🏽
As I am currently considering Poseidon X Ambition, medium size, purchase, how does bike ride: either on top of bike or in the bike feel due to upright bike geometry? Due to 20" seat post and short top tube length, I am concerned rider (5'8" and 140 lbs.) will ride more upright position, on top of bike, instead of in the bike feel. Please respond to my concern. Thanks
I'm looking into picking one up. I'm on the edge of a med/Lg. I'm 5"10.7 w/ a 31.4 inseam. Any idea as to what size I should buy?
Whats the weld on the red bike's chainstay at 5:11?
What are the weights of the Poseidon bikes you have tested ?
Seems like a missed opportunity to upgrade to thru axle, instead of paying extra for a kit that still requires wheels
They added an option to have it come thru axle with tubeless rims now for $300. I think that's fair even if those rims are heavy.
Living around a sandy region tires in the 43 to 52 area suit me. Would love to know how large a tire is possible. Thanks for the video.
Also, how much does it weight? If you don't mind
What are your thoughts in TRP HY/RD brakes? Are they as good as hydrologic? Are they worth it?
Haven’t ridden the trp hy rd yet, but someone needs to trademark ‘hydrologic’ 😆🤘
I’ve been looking for a bike which gives a more upright position. If I had the money I’d seriously consider the Jones Bike.
I saw the X Ambition online last week and it actually does a lot of what I am looking for. The top tube doesn’t slope as much and the tires are more narrow. But for $2k less this may be something to consider.
It’ll take wider tires for sure. Others claim 43mm no issues on 700c
Have you looked at the latest generation Pipedream A.L.I.C.E.?
If you want a more upright geometry with a sloping top tube (it is sloped, but not to an extreme extent like some bikes which I dont really care for), this might be of interest. The tire clearance is massive while still allowing for road cranks, which in some ways makes it better than the Redwood which forces you to use mountain bike cranks. If you prefer 700c rims, the ALICE allows for much wider rins than even the Redwood, which is quite the feat.
The only downside is unless you live in the UK, it only sells as a frame and fork combo, not a whole bike.
I wish it had thru axles.
Toe overlap?
Does the X ambition come with tubeless capable rims? That is the most important difference to me in regards to the X vs the Redwood.
Redwood can be set up tubeless with the factory rims and tires. Also, I managed to squeeze a 3” wide tire on my redwood for some sand and snow riding and it’s awesome.
Any rims can be converted to tubeless. You’ll have to add tape and valves. The stock tires are not tubeless ready, however
@@TheBikeSauce I think Poseidon would disagree with this. If the rims are not tubeless compatible there is definitely a risk of failure. I’ve seen and heard of people trying this and sometimes it works but sometimes there is catastrophic failure. Poseidon is very adamant about the rims on the X not being tubeless compatible and that you would need to buy a new wheel set to go tubeless. The redwood on the other hand has tubeless rims and can be converted.
They would probably officially disagree
@@JBthePAdashC Do you actually know the difference between a "tubeless" rim vs non? Its not significant and only requires you to layer up tape to build bead up a bead lock. This isn't rocket science.
Ok I do long rides 8hr plus up and down mountains on the road. Which bike should I get???
Dang! With that kind of time in the saddle, you’ve got a better idea than me
@@TheBikeSauce I don't ride alot because of work but when u get a chance I find challenges. I planned a ride to Buffalo but it was way too cold and I had to turn around.
@@TheBikeSauce I'm also concerned about the speed. I need to grind down the mountain. I want to increase my speed is that possible with these bikes?
Tire suggestion for someone who does 95% road?
Gravelking slicks are a good bet (despite the name)
@@TheBikeSauce Awesome, thank you.
Is it worth the $300 for through axle conversion kit installed?
To be honest, people put too much value on having TA. If it comes QR, it’ll be fine and you likely won’t feel a difference going thru axle. But the option is available nonetheless
way cool
I don’t mind a bike being a little on the heavier side, but 25lb is a lot. Microshift one bye. Two bye 11 or 12, 20 lb-19 lb I’d buy it. I’m looking for a gravel or endurance road , getting tired of looking at over priced cheap group set bikes.
I may have to wait for the after Covid bike crash. It’s going to happen. If raise prices over 80 percent , it’s coming
FRIENDS! Don't think we didn't notice the shirt. :-)
lol *Clap* *Snap* Friends!
Aluminium type? Butting? Shame this was missed.
Probably 6061 straight gauge or single butted. Not specified on the website. Could just reach out
I would be in if the bike could clear 45mm tires
Likely can, but would need to confirm
@@TheBikeSauce THanks!
I have an original x, but I'm thinking the clearances are about the same with the x ambition. On the x I can fit 650b 2.2 in the front, and 2.0 in the back. Also, I've run 700 43mm with room to spare. Hope this helps.
@@jrmalimban Thank you!
This seems like a really backwards decision by Poseidon. This is the very change the Redwood needed (only a bit more agressive) before they went tinkering with the X. Makes no sense.
The riders who are much more likely to be spending more hours on the bike and thus would benefit more from an endurance geometry are the Redwood riders since it is clearly the more bikepack oriented bike of the two. The whole point of the X is that it is the racier bike of the two.
X and redwood are too completely different category of bikes. X is a CX bike. They needed a proper gravel bike for the more all-road side of things and the original X is not that.
Honestly think the Redwood is perfect as is. I've been riding mine for 2 years. Every type of gravel surface imaginable, along with single track, and even some tarmac thrown in for good measure.
@@TheBeatenPathJP I think it could benefit from a carbon fork option to cut some weight. But yeah, esp if you already have a set of narrow 29" XC wheels laying around. In that case its probably one of the better bikes you could spend money on. Or really, if you have any spare MTB parts in a bin, this is probably the frame to buy since its got the same 73mm BB.
Redwood is a perfect all around bike. For mellow gravel and road and commute, I use light 700c Hunt wheels, for trail, snow etc, I use original stock rims with 2.8 Continental tires. But I would like to get X as well and build it for commuting
oad\mellow gravel only :)
@@vmxd Agree! Now that I have both, I plan on using the Redwood for "rowdier" gravel rides and single track. I'll use the X Ambition for longer hard pack gravel rides, road, and it will likely be my choice when doing gravel events.
Why would someone want to have two gravel bikes. I once had two road bikes the differences between them were minor. The more expensive one was a bit slower a little lighter and more comfortable. The less expensive one is faster 100th of a lbs heavier and more responsive. Go figure. I sold the more expensive one due to these facts
I have really appreciated your content, but the relentless promotion of Poseidon makes this channel feel like long term marketing…. hoping you can find the time to round out for more diversity…… if you are too busy for that then why bother? Much love and respect, just don’t want to see you slide into commercialized oblivion
100%. It’s just how the recent video have been stacked up. 2023 will see 2 new non Poseidon builds from the frame up and some more sciency stuff as well. Cheers! Thanks for the feedback
35 to 40 tires, why buy that brand when Canyon sells one gravel bike with 45 and up to 50 tires for 1200 to 1400 and is a establish brand, prices are about the same if not less. You might not think you are selling those bikes but you are, the least you can do is tell the price so people don't get ripped off when they go to a bike shop.
I prefer not to state the exact price because they can change.
What are you trying to say? This is $700 vs $1400. Literally twice the price. That is why they go with this one.
@@PetarPetrov-89
Cheap doesn't necessarily mean better, in many cases cheap or affordable can be more expensive and vise versa.
@@1a2b3c4. yea but you are comparing 700 vs 1400 bike. Ofcource it will be better
3mm BS!!!!!!!!! All said here makes no difference!!
what?
As I am currently considering Poseidon X Ambition, medium size, purchase, how does bike ride: either on top of bike or in the bike feel due to upright bike geometry? Due to 20" seat post and short top tube length, I am concerned rider (5'8" and 140 lbs.) will ride more upright position, on top of bike, instead of in the bike feel. Please respond to my concern. Thanks