Steelers defense was ranked second behind the chargers and ALL YEAR LONG all we heard was the steelers can't win a shootout with their offense. They were three point dogs and won. No excuses.
@@DeadlySpongebobNoob on a game to game basis , the Steelers defense is better I’m not phased by them giving up 38 cause next week they could hold em to 10 points , the bengals haven’t done that all year
@@lonnieblackburn4636ya tbh he's not trolling he's just way too hard on qb's. Does the same thing with lamar whenever ravens lose no matter who's really to blame. Looking forward to when the law of averages finally defeats the chiefs black magic to the benefit of burrow or lamar and we'll see if he "keeps that same energy"
@@charleshessproductionsHe just believes that if you give QB’s the bulk of the credit we the Team Wins, then they shall receive a bulk of the credit when they lose. He does it with majority of the top QB’s even Patrick
blaming joe burrow is like if your mom works, cooks, cleans, buys the clothing groceries, picks the kids up from school and all their extra curricular but one day is late picking them and everyone judges her instead of being like hey dad (defense) can you help out maybe...
I feel DO’s pain. This is one of those convo’s where the other boys in the group are tighter with each other than you so they take their side over you every time, no matter how much sense you’re talking. Genuinely one of the worst feelings, gets you questioning everything 😂
He's not talking any sense. Burrow turned the ball over 3 times. Since when do you break down every turnover a QB makes? We've never done that. The statsheet doesn't have any asterisks. Stop it.
Seasons a QB has had 30+ pass TD & 5 or fewer INTs through first 12 games W-L 2024: Joe Burrow 4-8 2020: Aaron Rodgers 9-3 2020: Patrick Mahomes 11-1 2018: Drew Brees 10-2 2014: Aaron Rodgers 9-3 2011: Aaron Rodgers 12-0 2007: Tom Brady 12-0
The reason Shannon has 3 Super Bowl rings and is in the HoF and Dan O doesn't is because Shannon does not tolerate anything less than perfection. They are not the same
The media will protect Wyte Joe burrow at all cost. 3 turnovers and they still protect him. Lamar has the worst defense in the entire league and still keeps his team above water
He is a pure 🤡. Nothing he says makes sense. Burrow just fumbled the game away...this man is ridiculous. Pittsburgh can't score. 40...now the Bengals bad defense.... Ravens will kill Pittsburgh... we pounded them lil kids... no credit. Philly beat Baltimore.....they are a great team 😂😂. Pittsburgh will kill anyone anyday .
You can't be serious. Dan is delusional. He is an awful debater. He spends more time making excuses for quarterbacks he likes or is friends with rather than doing his job and being critical. It's disgusting. He is so weak that it forces SAS to take shannon side because shannon is actually making valid points as Dan is making excuses
Dan is supposed to replace Max. The corny white guy that everyone gets their one liners off on. The difference is Stephen A doesn't feel threatened by him because he's an analyst, not a host. And Dan's knowledge of the game football is untouchable to somebody like Stephen A so he can't dismiss his opinion lime he used to do with Max.
@@markydan1232 Dan is great because Dan is a former QB. he's not just a corny white guy with one liners. He actually knows his stuff with stats to back it up. As well as on field experience.
This is why these national debate shows are a JOKE. HOW ABOUT TALKING ABOUT RUSS AND THE STEELERS, THE TEAM THAT WON THE GAME??? Did that strip sack not come from a FORMER DPOY??? Shannon's just gonna sit there and not give him any love for an amazing play? I feel bad for any casual fans that consider this "sports analysis". Listen to local sports shows if you want intelligent analysis that doesn't focus 100% on QBs.
@@samuel-nq6he he is but okay, Shannon hit it on the head, he went to the Super Bowl and lost and all the sudden he is elite yet have not done anything since but sure keep on going with the bias of certain QBs
Bro, it’s all an act. He really doesn’t have a vendetta, but he has to go the other way because he has to be on the other side of every argument or debate that they have
Na Dan week in and week out kept saying he still believed in the Bengals and so did everyone else. Mahomes literally led his team to the afc championship game, WITH THE BOTTOM RANKED DEFENSE
Shannon is a clown. He always makes it about the quarterback. There’s 53 players and dozens of coaches and management in the organization. He should know that given he’s won 3 super bowls. But nope always the quarterbacks fault.
Nah shannon just keeping the same energy about all QB he gets on lamar he gets on dak and josh allen. The media act like when Joe burrows lose its not his fault but when lamar lose or josh allen lose its their fault
Lol didn’t Drew Brees go 7-9 several years while throwing for 5000 yards with a terrible defense? And nobody blamed him because we knew his defense sucked. This is such a dumb debate.
I remember when Aaron Rodgers scored 45 points against the Cardinals in the playoffs, completing two Hail Marys in a row to send it to OT but lost the game and Skip Bayless came on TV the next day and blamed Aaron Rodgers entirely for the loss. Shannon really sounding more and more like his former co-host.
Burrow turned the ball over. Therefore, he contributed to the loss. Thus, it's his fault in addition to the rest of the team. That's what the debate is really about. You guys aren't listening
@@sangaman2007but he doesn’t throw interceptions he fumbles, his oline is trash and he has a really elite time to throw he getts it out the pocket pretty fast
Joe Burrow has 30TDs and 5 Ints and leads the league in Yards and shannon comparing him to Daniel Jones is a joke. As shannon once said to Orlando Scandrick “you gotta get that hate out your heart son” 🤣
Yup and that’s why stats lie at times , bcuz he turns the ball over in clutch time. See how Brady was playing bad in games but then comes up clutch when he needs to be. Same thing Mahomes is doing now.
He just using that as an example he probably talking about how they beat up on Lamar and Allen, imagine if they had the Bengals record they would obliterate them
Shannon is absolutely right ! Danny boy said none of this for Dak last year or this year when Dak defense was giving up 40 plus , he said Dak is the QB and the blame should go on him so now it's different for Joe burrow get the ;;; out of here !!
He's not comparing him to Daniel Jones, he's saying that Jones was fumbling and getting strip sacked all the time behind that awful Giants O-line but it was a Daniel Jones problem but when Burrow is getting strip sacked it's an O-line problem
So, by Shannon and Stephen A.'s takes on this, Burrow should be able to see behind himself at all times AND see into the future and know that his kicker is going to miss his next field goal attempt.
I'm glad someone caught that field goal point. By his logic, he must have thought mahomes was awful last year because mahomes should have known his receivers were shaky on catching the ball, so all those drops were his fault.
@marghielas true but we can't act like he didn't turn the ball over. Thats Shannon's point. Yes he has to do alot but all elite QBs do. If he didnt fumble twice the game may have went differently
@@Galero15no Lamar get criticized because ravens should have the best offense in the afc rn but somehow someway it’s Josh Allen Lamar gets criticized because he has multiple mvps but no playoff success the ravens are getting to a point where we all know we have a mvp qb we all know we go get to the playoffs but so far we never win
Well that O Line ain’t getting any better. When you make 50 mill a year and are about to sign a receiver for 50 mill a year that’s all you got. This is Carson Palmer and Ocho Cinco but less exciting
Blaming Joe Burrow for his defense giving up 44 points yesterday is laughable. The 3 turnovers didn’t help, but even when Burrow has a clean game, the Bengals still can’t win. And usually when your team scores 38 points, you typically win the game. It’s clear that Shannon is just blaming Burrow just so there’s something to debate about.
He's playing out of his mind. I think this is a ☯️ season for the bengals franchise. Shows you need a team not just a QB. why money shouldn't be all for the QB and the #1 WR. you need to spread it out orv draft better. Duke Tobin should be fired. And the coaching staff should be wiped for new philosophy
How do you not take any culpability with 3 turnovers. Smh. That was Dak last season. Great stats, 2nd in MVP votes, but did could not win in big moments
@ exactly. But people seem to gloss over the team part. They need this, defense needs to do that…well maybe not spend so much on a qb lol. Never heard any credit given to chase or the defense for getting to the Super Bowl, now all of a sudden burrow needs help lol
@bayareastar123 Burrow having a top 5 ranking in every statistical category for QBs. Chase having a triple crown season, and your defense ranked bottom 2 % in points given up
@@giovannicarter3076 He's taken the Bengals to the superbowl. Lamar, and Josh Allen haven't even done that.. Cincinnati is more dysfunctional than the Ravens and Bills yet Joe Burrow keeps them competitive and in the conversation. Really stupid point.
I agree with Dan and Shannon but Shannon completely disregarding the defense in this conversation is amazing to me. He’s right, Joe can’t turn the ball over knowing his team defense is historically bad but Shannon acting like every loss is because of the QB is crazy too. Burrow has done everything he can to keep his teams in games and put in a position to win. What do you want him to do? Score 60 and play perfectly for 17 games? Mistakes happen.
This is foolishness. There hasn’t been a team all season to score 30 on the Steelers. The bengals put up 38…. And still lost. The problem is so clearly the defense.
@ The thing that some of you people are not understanding is that no one is making excuses for burrow because his play does not to be excused. He has literally thrown for more yards and touchdowns than anyone in the league. He has a 6 to 1 touchdown to interception ratio. The MVP of the league last year had a 3 to 1 ratio. Burrow already has more TD passes than Mahomes had all of last season with 9 less picks. He’s doing all of this and yall been trying yall best to find reasons to blame him while his defense has given up the second most ppg in the NFL. It’s literally pure foolishness. Tom Brady lost 4 games his entire career when his offense scored 33+ points….. Joe Burrow has 4 of them losses this season alone. The bengals are 2-4 in games that they’ve scored 33+ points this season. The rest of the NFL is 52-1 when scoring 33+ points. Just knock it off with the clear hate my dude.
@@513ovaeverything7stop with the meat riding. Joe burrow deserves to be criticized for choking in Big moments, just like ever superstar deserves to be across all sports
I think the main issue Shannon has with burrow specifically is ever since he entered the league a lot of pundits don’t critique him the way the way they do other QBs, he isn’t the biggest issue that Cinci lost or is struggling this year for that matter but Dan often try’s to absolve QBs mostly Burrow and Allen from criticism when their teams lose but usually gives them the most credit when their teams win I think that’s Shannon’s main issue with this debate
What are u talking about burrow has paled amazing all year if he played worse they would’ve been win less your asking him to be perfect and not make a single mistake when no other qb is held to that standard
Shannon’s argument is completely void of any reality since he argues QBs can never turn the ball over. Shannon says with his turnovers, the Bengals win 38-34. Does he not realize that the Bengals still give up 34 points AT HOME in his hypothetical? He now expects Burrow and the Bengals to score a minimum 38 points A GAME. Shannon lives in an alternate reality.
He makes a Valid point. If Joe burrow turns the ball less they can win some games. Yes the defense is not that good but his flaws like turning the ball over and taking some unnecessary sacks doesn't help either. When he had a great defense those flaws were looked over and he was being praised. So yes he deserves some blame.
Your actually proving Uncs point if we all know the defense is bad guess who is the one person who cannot contribute with turnovers the QB. That’s what made Brady and the Pats unbeatable you could count on him not to make a costly turnover. When other team knows they don’t have play perfect on defense to beat your team because your going to turn it over that’s a real advantage
@@josephmanu2740 do you expect him to have no turnovers and take no sacks all season? He only has 5 interceptions, same as Josh Allen who is an MVP candidate. Oh, and Burrow has more touchdowns and yards than any other quarterback. What else do you want from him?
Its funny how joe threw for 400 yrds and 5 td against the ravens While goff threw 5 picks vs the Texans and still won & Joe gets eaten alive while goff gets mvp shouts
Well 3 of those pics were nonsense, 2 arm punts and a tipped pass. But unlike Burrow or the great lamarzz jaxsonzz Goff won the game. Came up large in the 4th quarter thats the difference
Goff is just on a better football team and the Bengals don't play well in other areas. It's honestly time for their coach Zac Taylor to be gone idk why more people aren't having that conversation it's crazy to me
@@joshuacadet3416Lions beat the Texans due to defense not Goff. Had Burrow had their defense or slightly average, they'd be in the playoff mix right now
@@greatwhite3676you just made a flawed point burrows 3 turnovers where from 1 int and 2 fumbles both in which he was throwing the ball under immense pressure, he has no breathing room to throw and not only that he pretty rarely makes mistakes.
Shannon 's criticism of QB's in general comes from the media narrative around QBs in general. Get all credit when the win and try to pass blame if they lose. This is a consistent theme with any media pundits/network when they have favorites. Shannon knew as a player if his team won he wouldn't get the credit but would definitely be held cupable for losing. He is been critical of all QBs this way. This is not just for Joe. He used to roast baker nonstop even though he had a bad shoulder and was being coached terribly in Cleveland. Same with Lamar as well. He is just going by the media driven narrative.
@@zozoridgenal7894 I am just explaining his criticism on QBs. I am not sure I ever questioned his status in any regards to anything. Man is a hall of famer while also being no.1 sports personality in America.
If the bengals weren’t 4-8 Joe Burrow would be in the MVP conversation with Josh Allen, Saquon Barkley and Lamar Jackson. He has 3,337 passing yards and 30 touchdowns, but he’s gotta stop turning the ball over
I agree but a lot of these yards came off garbage time when they were already out. Even the Steelers let up this game wasn't as close as the score says.
@HabitualLine-Stepper lol but yea skip used to say he seen brady in burrow so shannon and even sas gonna hate on burrow living in Nashville and being a vikings fan burrow makes titans a playoff team and vikings competing for a super bowl
I don’t have all the details, but it seems like Burrow's performance or maybe some recent plays might be the hot topic! He's definitely a player that gets people talking.
"He's playing great in a losing effort" is accurate...."He's to blame for the losses" is not Got'em, it's bs. All of a sudden it's a massive crime for a QB to get tackled by TJ Watt and Chris Jones, 2 of the most incredible defensive players the game has ever seen; so they're really trying to tell people that because 2 elite HOF defenders made a play on Joe Burrow (behind mediocre protection) that Burrow is to mostly to blame for losing games?
He's mad Burrow beat his boy Pat and has been competitive with him in every game they've played. With guys on defense, and help from refs at times, Burrow would own him. It's only him, Chase and Tee out there. Organization has gotten rid of everyone else decent on the team to be cheap.
The explanation that Shannon and Stephen A. are using to justify why they feel Joe Burrow should be blamed for the Bengals loss against the Steelers is absolutely ludicrous. Dan had every right to say and act as he did.
The nerve they had to bring up the Kansas game and Burrow getting sacked by Chris Jones. Since when is that a massive crime !??! Imagine you're a QB and on a couple of plays TJ freaking Watt and Chris mf Jones (2 astonishing players who are both going to the HOF) get you and because of that you're blamed for making your team lose. In what world does that argument hold water??
Shannon must be friends with Peyton the way he pretends like people didn’t give him a pass. People literally kept trying to put him over Brady as the best QB over and over and over despite Brady having more rings. They did the same thing with Rodger’s! They gave Rodger’s and Peyton passes they called them the best QB’s in the league despite them not winning SB’s. People like Shannon used to act like Rodger would surpass Brady if he just won 3 rings. Shannon is just looking for a reason to hate on Borrow.
This is peak debate right here they mean every word the bias is showing the “Heated” this is beautiful love this lineup, Passionate shannon > Happy shannon is mid
30 tds 5 ints. Great season. The int yesterday wasn’t his fault. Tipped pass at the line and the ball was then tipped again by Tee Higgins. The fumbles however definitely hurt. Those were game changing. Expecting him to be perfect every week with that defense is just too much
Like a guy like Nikola Jokic getting blamed for a loss because of a late game turnover after he's put up 30/16/12 on 60% shooting and the only reason the team even has a chance to win because he is the team. Just as insanely stupid.
@@jamalreynoldsfitness yeah you can blame 10 other things before you look in burrow way. Hut i watched ecery bengals game this year and even when the defense was playing horrible at the end of 5 games with 2 min left he either threw a interception or overthrew jamwr chase. In the ravens games twice, the chargers game and in the chiefs game
@marsgordeuk It's because Shannon is in the studio... This is SAS' wet dream... Him and Shannon against a Caucasian man made to play the role that Max Kellerman refused to.
Producers: Get Dan fired up.
Shannon: I got this.
Pretty much 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
THIS. ^^^^^ lmfaooooooooooo
😂😂😂🎉it’s a party
facts 😂😂😂😂
lol. dan is always gettting ganked
Any defense that’s giving up 40 points , idc how good the Qb is , they not winning the game unless the other defense is just as bad
Steelers gave up 38, which is more or less 40, and they won.
Steelers defense was ranked second behind the chargers and ALL YEAR LONG all we heard was the steelers can't win a shootout with their offense. They were three point dogs and won. No excuses.
@@ManicSV3 think we all can agree the Steelers outside of this game have a way better defense that the bengals year round
@@DeadlySpongebobNoob on a game to game basis , the Steelers defense is better I’m not phased by them giving up 38 cause next week they could hold em to 10 points , the bengals haven’t done that all year
Mahomes went to a AFC championship game with a worse defense
Shannon trolling on a Skip Bayless level.
Fr fr
This is Skip/Mahomes trolling 😂
Shannon is just a hater,Joe isn't his homie, or his brother!!!
@@lonnieblackburn4636ya tbh he's not trolling he's just way too hard on qb's. Does the same thing with lamar whenever ravens lose no matter who's really to blame. Looking forward to when the law of averages finally defeats the chiefs black magic to the benefit of burrow or lamar and we'll see if he "keeps that same energy"
@@charleshessproductionsHe just believes that if you give QB’s the bulk of the credit we the Team Wins, then they shall receive a bulk of the credit when they lose. He does it with majority of the top QB’s even Patrick
blaming joe burrow is like if your mom works, cooks, cleans, buys the clothing groceries, picks the kids up from school and all their extra curricular but one day is late picking them and everyone judges her instead of being like hey dad (defense) can you help out maybe...
BINGO
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Great analogy
I mean all those turnovers came from him doe 😒
@ChickasawMal28_ u didn't understand the analogy
As a Steelers fan, Shannon is crazy bro
It's clear bias against any Non dark QBs he didn't play with
@@sammaier4485 bro get tf outa here he loved Brady and hated Antonio he fair
@@sammaier4485 I don't think he is racially biased I just think he is making a stupid argument
He just yells 😂
@@stephano.sdid you watch Undisputed?? He hated Brady.
This ain't a debate, this barbershop comedy, welldone Unc😂😂😂
"Barbershop arguing*
I feel DO’s pain. This is one of those convo’s where the other boys in the group are tighter with each other than you so they take their side over you every time, no matter how much sense you’re talking. Genuinely one of the worst feelings, gets you questioning everything 😂
spot on😂
@@DeTayvion23and the boys be right 😂💯
Yall really just like three turnovers is no problem lol if he was black he would be getting killed
He's not talking any sense. Burrow turned the ball over 3 times. Since when do you break down every turnover a QB makes? We've never done that. The statsheet doesn't have any asterisks. Stop it.
@@Numbers-mc2ksPatrick mahomes had more ints than tds and they were all talking about how he’s one of the best qbs in the league. Nice try.
"I'M JUST READING THE STATSSS" unc got me weak asfffff yooo
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Hahahah Shannon clearly don’t like Joe burrow 🤣😭😭😭
@yungjoka5962 he always gets a pass. Dude is living off beating mahomes that one time in the playoffs.
@@jetsettech8804 Bro he’s playing great rn his defense is horrendous. Context matters
@@yungjoka5962100% BUT … he always be turnover prone in his NFL CAREER & they don’t talk bout THAT
Seasons a QB has had 30+ pass TD & 5 or fewer INTs through first 12 games
W-L
2024: Joe Burrow 4-8
2020: Aaron Rodgers 9-3
2020: Patrick Mahomes 11-1
2018: Drew Brees 10-2
2014: Aaron Rodgers 9-3
2011: Aaron Rodgers 12-0
2007: Tom Brady 12-0
Goes to show all them teams had a good defense every single one except 2011
@@richardmatthews2807lamar is about to have similar stats and the ravens defense is trash
But not 2024 Bengals trash@@darieltorrence
@@darieltorrenceJoe could certainly win with a below average defense this year. This is historically bad defense.
@@CardanoDaily I'm glad to see someone else hit just how bad this D is. Worthy of an NFLN top 10 list
Shannon bravo for being a great entertainer. Cant believe you got me siding with Orlovsky lol
Exactly😂
I can listen to Shannon talk about anything and get hyped lol
The reason Shannon has 3 Super Bowl rings and is in the HoF and Dan O doesn't is because Shannon does not tolerate anything less than perfection. They are not the same
@@andrewfalconer8599 if that’s true then why is Dan a better analyst than Shannon?
@@danielburdisso1483Shannon is way better than Dan at being analyst.
21 TD’s and 3 INT’s in losses.
That kills Shannon argument. Dan didn’t even have to keep debating loud mouth.
🤡
Useless calories
Bro couldn’t get 2 yards against Baltimore for the lead or get the ball closer for a field goal and defense held the chargers to 10 points second half
The media will protect Wyte Joe burrow at all cost. 3 turnovers and they still protect him. Lamar has the worst defense in the entire league and still keeps his team above water
@@timothyb3121👈🤡
Dan is 100% correct on so many of his football takes including this one, I honestly feel bad how First Take always gangs up on him on every segment
FACTS!!
He is a pure 🤡. Nothing he says makes sense. Burrow just fumbled the game away...this man is ridiculous. Pittsburgh can't score. 40...now the Bengals bad defense.... Ravens will kill Pittsburgh... we pounded them lil kids... no credit. Philly beat Baltimore.....they are a great team 😂😂. Pittsburgh will kill anyone anyday .
You can't be serious. Dan is delusional. He is an awful debater. He spends more time making excuses for quarterbacks he likes or is friends with rather than doing his job and being critical. It's disgusting. He is so weak that it forces SAS to take shannon side because shannon is actually making valid points as Dan is making excuses
Dan is supposed to replace Max. The corny white guy that everyone gets their one liners off on. The difference is Stephen A doesn't feel threatened by him because he's an analyst, not a host. And Dan's knowledge of the game football is untouchable to somebody like Stephen A so he can't dismiss his opinion lime he used to do with Max.
@@markydan1232 Dan is great because Dan is a former QB. he's not just a corny white guy with one liners. He actually knows his stuff with stats to back it up. As well as on field experience.
Shannon pissin me off right here dawg 😂😂😂
This is why these national debate shows are a JOKE. HOW ABOUT TALKING ABOUT RUSS AND THE STEELERS, THE TEAM THAT WON THE GAME??? Did that strip sack not come from a FORMER DPOY??? Shannon's just gonna sit there and not give him any love for an amazing play?
I feel bad for any casual fans that consider this "sports analysis". Listen to local sports shows if you want intelligent analysis that doesn't focus 100% on QBs.
Cause he is right
😂😂😂
@@LV_daWEEDhe's not
@@samuel-nq6he he is but okay, Shannon hit it on the head, he went to the Super Bowl and lost and all the sudden he is elite yet have not done anything since but sure keep on going with the bias of certain QBs
“Don’t say Shannon, that’s my name, I know my name.. Stephen A gave me a name tag and everything ” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Even SAS burst out laughing
Joe burrow lives off that Superbowl run
@@RUTHLESSambition5i mean why shouldnt he? The bengals been a poverty franchise forever!!
@@Jay-vm4lc coming next season that would happen 4 years ago😂😂They didn't even win.
Shannon be on one frfr 😂
shannon said “dont look over here for some support “ 😂😂
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Scoring 38 points and losing and blaming the QB is actually crazy!!!
2 turnovers by that QB
He had 3 turnovers without them they’d probably win
@@MrQuileoAre you stupid?
@@matthewwilliams4168Russell turned it over too
He turned the ball over 3 times, and one of those was a pick 6. It’s not all on him, but he isn’t null and void of blame
once shannon feels a way about someone he can’t see things any other way lol
The issue is Dan is a homer for almost every qb in the nfl
Always in his feelings
@@dennisboyman like Unc’s love affair with LeBron & Jayson Tatum.
Yep, he found his new Brady.
@@jadebethel7556 but he’s actually making sense lol
If Brees, manning, Lamar, or Allan would’ve had this kind of game, the TDs and yds would be ignored. They wouldn’t get a pass
When did Joe burrow get a pass ??? Did u not watch h the segment 😂😂😂😂😂
Shannon definitely has some sort of personal vendetta against Joe Burrow
Bro, it’s all an act. He really doesn’t have a vendetta, but he has to go the other way because he has to be on the other side of every argument or debate that they have
Na Dan week in and week out kept saying he still believed in the Bengals and so did everyone else. Mahomes literally led his team to the afc championship game, WITH THE BOTTOM RANKED DEFENSE
Joe Burrow??? You should see what he says bout Lamar 😂😂 Joe get it easy
Shannon is a clown. He always makes it about the quarterback. There’s 53 players and dozens of coaches and management in the organization. He should know that given he’s won 3 super bowls. But nope always the quarterbacks fault.
Nah shannon just keeping the same energy about all QB he gets on lamar he gets on dak and josh allen. The media act like when Joe burrows lose its not his fault but when lamar lose or josh allen lose its their fault
Lol didn’t Drew Brees go 7-9 several years while throwing for 5000 yards with a terrible defense? And nobody blamed him because we knew his defense sucked.
This is such a dumb debate.
No one tried to pretend Drew Brees was better than manning or Brady either.
@@jetsettech8804this is a lie. But i knnow how revisionist history works on the internet
@@jetsettech8804 uhhh yes they did. Until Manning won his 2nd and Brady won his 5th against the falcons, it was a very popular debate
@@keeganandersson4281Only in NO.
@keeganandersson4281 it was not. Stop trying to rewrite history
I remember when Aaron Rodgers scored 45 points against the Cardinals in the playoffs, completing two Hail Marys in a row to send it to OT but lost the game and Skip Bayless came on TV the next day and blamed Aaron Rodgers entirely for the loss.
Shannon really sounding more and more like his former co-host.
Unfortunately you missed the point he was making
What did Joe do to Shannon? 😂
Probably not being LeBron
Eh. He criticizes all the quarterbacks harshly go back to all the shows
He’s white
😂😂😂 ikr
@@AllPersonalNothingBusinessno he doesn't
The defense has given up over 35 half the games this season. i refused to blame burrow for this
That’s ridiculous that people are blaming him for it 🤣🤣 he ain’t even on the defense.
Burrow turned the ball over. Therefore, he contributed to the loss. Thus, it's his fault in addition to the rest of the team. That's what the debate is really about. You guys aren't listening
@@sangaman2007but he doesn’t throw interceptions he fumbles, his oline is trash and he has a really elite time to throw he getts it out the pocket pretty fast
Shan n Stephen A. absolutely gaslighting Dan O and I’m here for it 😂
Unc needs an intervention, put down the bottle
Unc forgot to take his meds this morning! 😂
Clearly💀
Joe forgot his on Sunday
Left them at skip´s house
10:58 “if he get on Expedia he can book his trip right now, and save himself a lot of money. BECAUSE HE”LL BE HOME” 😂😂😂😂😂
Joe Burrow has 30TDs and 5 Ints and leads the league in Yards and shannon comparing him to Daniel Jones is a joke. As shannon once said to Orlando Scandrick “you gotta get that hate out your heart son” 🤣
Yup and that’s why stats lie at times , bcuz he turns the ball over in clutch time. See how Brady was playing bad in games but then comes up clutch when he needs to be. Same thing Mahomes is doing now.
He just using that as an example he probably talking about how they beat up on Lamar and Allen, imagine if they had the Bengals record they would obliterate them
Shannon is absolutely right ! Danny boy said none of this for Dak last year or this year when Dak defense was giving up 40 plus , he said Dak is the QB and the blame should go on him so now it's different for Joe burrow get the ;;; out of here !!
He's not comparing him to Daniel Jones, he's saying that Jones was fumbling and getting strip sacked all the time behind that awful Giants O-line but it was a Daniel Jones problem but when Burrow is getting strip sacked it's an O-line problem
@@adrian-paulbrathwaite5338 Jones sucked for the whole game. He wasn't putting up 38 points on teams with winning records.
So, by Shannon and Stephen A.'s takes on this, Burrow should be able to see behind himself at all times AND see into the future and know that his kicker is going to miss his next field goal attempt.
how did he not see his blindside ????
I'm glad someone caught that field goal point. By his logic, he must have thought mahomes was awful last year because mahomes should have known his receivers were shaky on catching the ball, so all those drops were his fault.
A turnover is a turnover
It’s called pocket prescence
Fr I was like every qb gets stripped sack even Tom Brady and Mahomes 😂 why they hate Burrow for lmao
Shannon got in studio and went in 🤣
Nobody was giving Drew Brees these type of excuses.
I mean they were but anything to push the “Joe Burrow is always at fault” narrative
Thank you!!!!!!!
Drew was the only thing keeping the saints from being even worse with those historic bad defenses
They absolutely were
No! your rt! It was Drew defense we were saying then also.
They smoked this debate, this is a great debate actually.
@RichardRozier-t4r Shannon in the studio screaming at a Caucasian man has been entertaining since 2016.
facts i can see both sides lowkey
@@holyskadoodlethe only correct side is Burrow killing himself to make games competitive with that defense
Someone was definitely smoking something on this set.
@marghielas true but we can't act like he didn't turn the ball over. Thats Shannon's point. Yes he has to do alot but all elite QBs do. If he didnt fumble twice the game may have went differently
Ive never seen a QB get critized for not scoring on every single drive
Lamar?
@@darieltorrenceI was just going to say lol 😅Lamar gets criticized when he wins and loses lol
Bruh, Lamar gets criticised for Tucker missing kicks
For turning the ball over, giving up six points?
@@Galero15no Lamar get criticized because ravens should have the best offense in the afc rn but somehow someway it’s Josh Allen Lamar gets criticized because he has multiple mvps but no playoff success the ravens are getting to a point where we all know we have a mvp qb we all know we go get to the playoffs but so far we never win
Shannon on one😂 i get what he trying to say but Dan got a point Burrow was running for his life before those strips that O Line gotta do better
That's exactly my thoughts!
You’re not stopping that line, Tj demands a double
Well that O Line ain’t getting any better. When you make 50 mill a year and are about to sign a receiver for 50 mill a year that’s all you got. This is Carson Palmer and Ocho Cinco but less exciting
Agree, SS has something against Joe B.
Ok well make those same excuses for the bad QBs. They have Bryce Young running for his life in Carolina but nobody makes these excuses for him.
“Stephen A gave me a name tag and everything “😂😂😂😂
Unc has some levels of PTSD being with Skiiiiiup for 7 years.
That was the best line out of everything😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yeah that took me tf out lol
That took me out 😅
“Dont look over here for support” 😂😂😂
Blaming Joe Burrow for his defense giving up 44 points yesterday is laughable. The 3 turnovers didn’t help, but even when Burrow has a clean game, the Bengals still can’t win. And usually when your team scores 38 points, you typically win the game. It’s clear that Shannon is just blaming Burrow just so there’s something to debate about.
The defense didn’t give up 44 points. Burrow gave up at least 7. That’s the difference in the game
He's playing out of his mind. I think this is a ☯️ season for the bengals franchise. Shows you need a team not just a QB. why money shouldn't be all for the QB and the #1 WR. you need to spread it out orv draft better. Duke Tobin should be fired. And the coaching staff should be wiped for new philosophy
How do you not take any culpability with 3 turnovers. Smh. That was Dak last season. Great stats, 2nd in MVP votes, but did could not win in big moments
@ exactly. But people seem to gloss over the team part. They need this, defense needs to do that…well maybe not spend so much on a qb lol. Never heard any credit given to chase or the defense for getting to the Super Bowl, now all of a sudden burrow needs help lol
@bayareastar123 Burrow having a top 5 ranking in every statistical category for QBs. Chase having a triple crown season, and your defense ranked bottom 2 % in points given up
Joe will never be enough in Shannon’s eyes 😂😂😂
What has he won in the league?
Shannon found his guy to hate on like skip with lebron
@@edwardjones1482😂😂 you so wrony
@@giovannicarter3076 He's taken the Bengals to the superbowl. Lamar, and Josh Allen haven't even done that.. Cincinnati is more dysfunctional than the Ravens and Bills yet Joe Burrow keeps them competitive and in the conversation. Really stupid point.
@edwardjones1482 he literally does this to all qbs in fact he goes harder at Aaron Rogers than anyone else stop it
Cam needed to be here, I would’ve loved to hear his take on this
"Don't look over here for support!.. " LOLOLOLOLOLOL.. Unc was hot. 🤣😆
😂😂😂😂
I agree with Dan and Shannon but Shannon completely disregarding the defense in this conversation is amazing to me. He’s right, Joe can’t turn the ball over knowing his team defense is historically bad but Shannon acting like every loss is because of the QB is crazy too. Burrow has done everything he can to keep his teams in games and put in a position to win. What do you want him to do? Score 60 and play perfectly for 17 games? Mistakes happen.
Shannon argues like a younger sibling who knows they are wrong. They take it personally
This is foolishness. There hasn’t been a team all season to score 30 on the Steelers. The bengals put up 38…. And still lost. The problem is so clearly the defense.
You’re doing what Dan was doing and that’s making excuses. Their defense isn’t great but Joe still had 3 turnovers and one of them went to the crib.
@ The thing that some of you people are not understanding is that no one is making excuses for burrow because his play does not to be excused. He has literally thrown for more yards and touchdowns than anyone in the league. He has a 6 to 1 touchdown to interception ratio. The MVP of the league last year had a 3 to 1 ratio. Burrow already has more TD passes than Mahomes had all of last season with 9 less picks. He’s doing all of this and yall been trying yall best to find reasons to blame him while his defense has given up the second most ppg in the NFL. It’s literally pure foolishness. Tom Brady lost 4 games his entire career when his offense scored 33+ points….. Joe Burrow has 4 of them losses this season alone. The bengals are 2-4 in games that they’ve scored 33+ points this season. The rest of the NFL is 52-1 when scoring 33+ points. Just knock it off with the clear hate my dude.
Burrow still kinda cost his team the game with the turnovers, most of the blame is the defense (even the DC included)
@@513ovaeverything7well said
@@513ovaeverything7stop with the meat riding. Joe burrow deserves to be criticized for choking in Big moments, just like ever superstar deserves to be across all sports
I love UNC but he dead wrong. Burrow got 30td 5int. He’s the least of the problems
You're just as deluisional as Dan. How many rings does Joe have? *crickets*
Bro he’s way off he just don’t like Joey burrow. But I’m here for it.. he’s playing skip bayless on Joe b
@@ezekielthemackJosh Allen has no rings either and Josh is by far the best player in the league rn so what’s ur point?
I think the main issue Shannon has with burrow specifically is ever since he entered the league a lot of pundits don’t critique him the way the way they do other QBs, he isn’t the biggest issue that Cinci lost or is struggling this year for that matter but Dan often try’s to absolve QBs mostly Burrow and Allen from criticism when their teams lose but usually gives them the most credit when their teams win I think that’s Shannon’s main issue with this debate
What are u talking about burrow has paled amazing all year if he played worse they would’ve been win less your asking him to be perfect and not make a single mistake when no other qb is held to that standard
Defense is everything. They can intercept, force fumbles, etc. to score.
Shannon be so funny without even trying 😂😂
Ref put his hands up and made em smell deodorant “ 😂😂😂😂
Who cares if he's funny when he's wrong
Bruh fr that Daniel jones line had me crying 🤣🤣🤣 they gaslighting Dan and it’s funny asf
@@Jj-mu6hg stg I was screaming!!! They be straight bullying Dan
10:58 Unc talking bout “guess what, if he get on Expedia..he can book his trip right now, he can save a lotta money…cuz He’ll be Home!” 😂😂😂
“Cause they say the AFC goes through Cincinnati” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
It’s only so much protecting the ball u can do when u got 275 lb defensive ends rushing at your blindside at 20 mph 😂🤣
Shannon’s argument is completely void of any reality since he argues QBs can never turn the ball over. Shannon says with his turnovers, the Bengals win 38-34. Does he not realize that the Bengals still give up 34 points AT HOME in his hypothetical? He now expects Burrow and the Bengals to score a minimum 38 points A GAME. Shannon lives in an alternate reality.
He makes a Valid point. If Joe burrow turns the ball less they can win some games. Yes the defense is not that good but his flaws like turning the ball over and taking some unnecessary sacks doesn't help either. When he had a great defense those flaws were looked over and he was being praised. So yes he deserves some blame.
@@josephmanu2740 "defense not that good". dude their defense is the fkn worst in the league!
Example right here you guys ! Always a excuse 😂😂
Your actually proving Uncs point if we all know the defense is bad guess who is the one person who cannot contribute with turnovers the QB. That’s what made Brady and the Pats unbeatable you could count on him not to make a costly turnover. When other team knows they don’t have play perfect on defense to beat your team because your going to turn it over that’s a real advantage
@@josephmanu2740 do you expect him to have no turnovers and take no sacks all season?
He only has 5 interceptions, same as Josh Allen who is an MVP candidate. Oh, and Burrow has more touchdowns and yards than any other quarterback. What else do you want from him?
Love it when Shannon and Dan go at it😊😂
Its funny how joe threw for 400 yrds and 5 td against the ravens
While goff threw 5 picks vs the Texans and still won
& Joe gets eaten alive while goff gets mvp shouts
Because one team lost and the other team won it's all about wins and losses at the end of the day
Well 3 of those pics were nonsense, 2 arm punts and a tipped pass. But unlike Burrow or the great lamarzz jaxsonzz Goff won the game. Came up large in the 4th quarter thats the difference
Goff is just on a better football team and the Bengals don't play well in other areas. It's honestly time for their coach Zac Taylor to be gone idk why more people aren't having that conversation it's crazy to me
@@joshuacadet3416Lions beat the Texans due to defense not Goff. Had Burrow had their defense or slightly average, they'd be in the playoff mix right now
@@greatwhite3676you just made a flawed point burrows 3 turnovers where from 1 int and 2 fumbles both in which he was throwing the ball under immense pressure, he has no breathing room to throw and not only that he pretty rarely makes mistakes.
Shannon 's criticism of QB's in general comes from the media narrative around QBs in general. Get all credit when the win and try to pass blame if they lose. This is a consistent theme with any media pundits/network when they have favorites. Shannon knew as a player if his team won he wouldn't get the credit but would definitely be held cupable for losing. He is been critical of all QBs this way. This is not just for Joe. He used to roast baker nonstop even though he had a bad shoulder and was being coached terribly in Cleveland. Same with Lamar as well. He is just going by the media driven narrative.
The baker criticism was fair everything else I agree with you on
So his status in football has nothing to do with his analysis?
@@zozoridgenal7894 I am just explaining his criticism on QBs. I am not sure I ever questioned his status in any regards to anything. Man is a hall of famer while also being no.1 sports personality in America.
“ I know my name Stephen a gave me a name tag” is the funniest thing I Hurd in a while.
I’m with Dan on this
I’m sorry Shannon if Joe was on that Lions team they would average 45 ppg 😂😂
And if dak was on the 49ers they would have been won
@@christophercurry6543I will agree to disagree dak has thrown losing INTs in the playoffs
@@richardmatthews2807 since we’re playing what if. Plus purdy has been trash this year when he’s played
You can’t say that. Lions actually run the ball so that will take away his passing states
they would average 60
“If he go on Expedia and book his trip now, he’ll save a lot money. BECAUSE HE’LL BE AT HOME”!!! Shannon with the WWE promo 😭
Molly instigating is hilarious lol. “You think Dan plays favorite”
If the bengals weren’t 4-8 Joe Burrow would be in the MVP conversation with Josh Allen, Saquon Barkley and Lamar Jackson. He has 3,337 passing yards and 30 touchdowns, but he’s gotta stop turning the ball over
I agree but a lot of these yards came off garbage time when they were already out. Even the Steelers let up this game wasn't as close as the score says.
Joe Burrow has 5 picks and 3 fumbles lost on the year. He’s not a turnover machine lmfao
But they are 4-8 and he's the QB
Burrow becoming Herbert with all these hypotheticals lmao
Prior to this game he had only 4 picks and a fumble.
Yo when Shannon said that Expedia line I lost it 🤣🤣🤣
joe burrow was skip's guy thats why shannon hates on him so much
EXACTLY!!!!!!! People forget about how they went at it about them
@jfussell51 Shannon back in the studio screaming at a Caucasian man... From "Skiiiiiiipppppp" to "Daaaaaaaaaan"...
@HabitualLine-Stepper lol but yea skip used to say he seen brady in burrow so shannon and even sas gonna hate on burrow living in Nashville and being a vikings fan burrow makes titans a playoff team and vikings competing for a super bowl
"Who Is They"? lmao
Who Dey?
Stephen a and Shannon teaming up on him makes me think Dan is right lmfao
"I know my name. Stephen A. gave me a name tag.". That ish was funny AF... Gohead Unc.. 😂😂😂
Shannon sounds like skip just hatin on Burrow
Y'all dont say nothing when he killing Lamar
Dak or even Josh allen so ?
Shannon said I’m here now on first take 😂😂😂😂
@@lanzodon4173no they don't
Or bron..lol
stop your burrow glaze 3 turnovers
“I know my name. Stephen A gave me a name tag and everything.” Shannon
i didnt even know as a Casual NFL Fan Putting up 38 and losing was possible
Patrick Mahomes and the chiefs once scored 51 points against the rams and still lost 54-51
@@stlegion-px1wothat was cinema thanks for reminding me to go watch that again
@@stlegion-px1wo
That was one game… these guys lost multiple games scoring 30+ points
Tony Romo versus Peyton Manning's broncos
What does that tell you genius?@@jacobgarcia8092
Looks to me like Shannon invited Burrow to a Diddy party and Burrow responded, "No thanks fruit pop!"
Everybody with the Diddy stuff is ridiculous
Probably turned down being on Club Shay Shay
I don’t have all the details, but it seems like Burrow's performance or maybe some recent plays might be the hot topic! He's definitely a player that gets people talking.
Haven't watched, but Joe burrow doesn't play defense.
Yeah putting up 38 on three turn overs is still crazy
Very true, and I’m not saying he’s even near 100% to blame but he did have 3 turnovers
Nor did Mahome when he had the bottom ranked defense and still got his team to the championship game.
@@sirhoopalot1125 Refs
@@tortiajackson7071 repeat
This reminds me of undisputed 😭💯 what a time love Shannon being in the building with the Crew 🔥💯💪🏽💪🏽
Nothing can ever top the greatness of Skip & Unc, but I’m cool with this.
We need Unc & Mad Dog going at it!!!!
bruh Unk and Mad Dog would do number bro 🔥💯😭
"JOEY B JOEEY BEE"😂😂😂😂
"He's playing great in a losing effort" - Shannon Sharpe - Got 'em
"He's playing great in a losing effort" is accurate...."He's to blame for the losses" is not Got'em, it's bs. All of a sudden it's a massive crime for a QB to get tackled by TJ Watt and Chris Jones, 2 of the most incredible defensive players the game has ever seen; so they're really trying to tell people that because 2 elite HOF defenders made a play on Joe Burrow (behind mediocre protection) that Burrow is to mostly to blame for losing games?
3 turnovers
@@stephano.show many games he hasn’t turned it over and they won/lost ?
@@stephano.s your parents were a mistake and they will pay their crimes
Shannon always hates on burrow. He acts like a clown sometimes!!
Cause he gets all the praise but no blame
@@bambapro8329 kinda like mahomes?
shannon is a racist
He's mad Burrow beat his boy Pat and has been competitive with him in every game they've played. With guys on defense, and help from refs at times, Burrow would own him. It's only him, Chase and Tee out there. Organization has gotten rid of everyone else decent on the team to be cheap.
RACISMS
Dan: 🤯😳
Shannon: “Don’t look over here for support. I got nothinggg!”
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Nah blaming Burrow over the defense is crazy. 😂😂
The explanation that Shannon and Stephen A. are using to justify why they feel Joe Burrow should be blamed for the Bengals loss against the Steelers is absolutely ludicrous. Dan had every right to say and act as he did.
Coming from a Ravens fan, Shannon’s take is crazy… Joe is ballin. Majority of these losses ain’t on him
Dan is 100000% right. TJ Watt made an amazing play, he got hit from behind, and the INT was a two tip. Shannon just salty.
The nerve they had to bring up the Kansas game and Burrow getting sacked by Chris Jones. Since when is that a massive crime !??! Imagine you're a QB and on a couple of plays TJ freaking Watt and Chris mf Jones (2 astonishing players who are both going to the HOF) get you and because of that you're blamed for making your team lose. In what world does that argument hold water??
Shannon must be friends with Peyton the way he pretends like people didn’t give him a pass. People literally kept trying to put him over Brady as the best QB over and over and over despite Brady having more rings. They did the same thing with Rodger’s! They gave Rodger’s and Peyton passes they called them the best QB’s in the league despite them not winning SB’s. People like Shannon used to act like Rodger would surpass Brady if he just won 3 rings. Shannon is just looking for a reason to hate on Borrow.
No Peyton was considered a the best regular season qb but a bad playoff qb until he won
Dan's facial expression at 0:54 😂😂😂😂
Shannon trying to throw in Goff in that elite QB convo lol
He is
Goff is my quarterback for my Lions and I’m not taking him over Joe Burrow lol
@@jsmooth4116
What's he done that Goff hasnt?
they just hate burrow because there is no way we are blaming joe burrow for the defense letting 34 points being scored at home.
44*
because the racist media wants Lamarrz jaxsonzz to be good and he stinks
Shannon should have told him "find some glasses and put em on"
Shannon has turned into skip talking about LeBron. He is the same way talking about Burrow
This is peak debate right here they mean every word the bias is showing the “Heated” this is beautiful love this lineup, Passionate shannon > Happy shannon is mid
& Dan O has been a Superstar on ESPN dudes everywhere
@Kevin.Costner. Ratings were slipping, so ESPN put Shannon back in the studio... Shannon in the studio is why the show is better.
Shannon really learned some stuff from Skip 😂😂😂
I hate when Shannon starts yelling...why are we yelling?!
Because Dan is always making excuses for burrow I'd be yelling too
Because it’s fun to watch analysis yell
Because he comes from a debate format at undisputed. You don't have to watch. His points are very valid
What do you mean why he yells Stephen a Smith yells down there every day
@@dezevora45bro hung 38 points on them what more do you want? He doesn’t play defense.
Shannon is starting to annoy me with all that hollering while debating
RIGHT.
can't stand the guy.
Agreed
9:28 "Don't look over here for support" 🤣
30 tds 5 ints. Great season. The int yesterday wasn’t his fault. Tipped pass at the line and the ball was then tipped again by Tee Higgins. The fumbles however definitely hurt. Those were game changing. Expecting him to be perfect every week with that defense is just too much
Expecting him
To be perfect with that Line as well…
He throws 73% completion percentage, 3 tds, put up 38 points, and espn really asking this question
3 turnovers. Turnovers don’t help the defense that everyone is complaining about.
@El_reecio so what's the excuse for all of the games this year that he put up 30 plus with 0 turnovers?
@@El_reecio Maybe that has something to do with him going up against a Super Bowl caliber DEFENSE?
itzz beez allz bouts lAmarzz yo
Like a guy like Nikola Jokic getting blamed for a loss because of a late game turnover after he's put up 30/16/12 on 60% shooting and the only reason the team even has a chance to win because he is the team. Just as insanely stupid.
Stephen A. and Shannon are completely wrong. When you out up 38 points you should win. Ridiculous.
They would have won if he didn’t turn the ball over 🤣
When you turn the ball over 3 times you deserve to lose
Why does Shannon Sharpe hate the Bengals so much??? He doesn’t respect Burrow! He never liked Burrow!
He's a former Raven
I've never seen DO so flustered. Unc on him like a bad cold this morning I love it!!
All Shannon does is get loud and talk over people. He’s wrong on this I can’t believe people agree with this dude
@@jamalreynoldsfitness yeah you can blame 10 other things before you look in burrow way. Hut i watched ecery bengals game this year and even when the defense was playing horrible at the end of 5 games with 2 min left he either threw a interception or overthrew jamwr chase. In the ravens games twice, the chargers game and in the chiefs game
@@shawnsmith4113yeah because he’s pressing and needs a touchdown on every drive lol
@@jamalreynoldsfitness What he said ain't wrong lmao The amount of excuses certain people get is insane
@@kylewade8704 ok so your meeting he can up short in the biggest of moments then
Flashbacks of Skip and Shannon discussing Tom Brady
Stephen A and Shannon gotta be trolling
I’m getting Undisputed vibes with Unc & Dan O. 7:10 Is Unc taking medical pills after going at Dan O?????
@marsgordeuk It's because Shannon is in the studio...
This is SAS' wet dream... Him and Shannon against a Caucasian man made to play the role that Max Kellerman refused to.
Dan is so correct on this it's not even close
Shannon is wrong