Old Pincor Generator from 1985 - Does it Still Work?
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- I went to buy a Generac generator and the seller through this 1985 Pincor generator in for free. Will it run and make power?
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My coffee is so much tastier now that it’s accompanied with this video! ☕️
Lol
I drink tea when I watch his videos. I am now.
I tell people that I drink filtered water. It's just that sometimes I filter it through coffee grounds.
That style of Briggs engine was a bulletproof staple for 30 years or more with both vertical and horizontal shaft versions. I cut my small engine repair teeth on them beginning in the 60's. The carburetor was innovative as the bowl was part of the tank and it used that small "pump" diaphragm to keep the bowl full. It also was the beginning of the use of plastics in the carburetor for the two fuel pickups.
I used to have one in that style that was likely one of the first versions of that style and those pickups were brass.
@@Tailss1 as they should be
Hi, James. A long time ago I would have been a boy who could only see the 3 horsepower motor I could use on a go-cart. Anyway, thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!
I purchased a 3000 watt Pincor in the 8os to run my Graco airless paint sprayer on job sites. The airless drew 25 amps which the Pincor handled just fine. It was jobsite loud though. Never meant for residential use. I believe it was an 8 HP BRIGGS and super heavy.
I've got the identical generator in my garage that dad bought in the late 70's. We used that generator to run a table saw and drills when building a new home. It never failed, but had to take it home every night because of thieves.Pincor made a commercial rated generator that all the Bell Telephone splicing crews carried on their trucks. B@S / Pincor made a great marriage in portable power.
Grandfather had Pincor reel mower that used that same engine. Nice to see it again.
Bringing forlorn, forgotten and f*cked up generators back to friggin' life. Thanks James.
I just love how the generator starts dancing across the floor under load.
Needs new (or any) rubber feet......
Good thing that tank survived - you're kind of married to it with all that linkage.
We have these generators all over north Georgia left over from chicken boiler houses. The power was dirty but at 140 to 150 volts you could light a 300 ft chicken house with one and the well pumps and feed motors on analog mechanical systems didn't mind dirty power either. The key with them for farming was they were simple and reliable.
What a survivor James.. Nice save, enjoyed
Fuel up the tank until the fuel is brimming at the tank inlet.
This fills up the "bowl" which feeds the jets...and allows the fuel to start softening the diaphragm.
It should start easily and then by the time it needs to suck fuel up from the tank into the bowl..the diaphragm is flexible and the pump will pump.
Every time you need to start this type of engine after storage...fill the fuel to brimming.
It’s works to. Was surprised it did
@@philliphall5198
I had to run a Briggs and Stratton with one of these carbs on a lawnmower when I was eight (1963).
Once I had taken the carb apart, saw how it all worked, saw the "non functioning" diaphragm but didn't have another new one ..I just replaced the old "rigid " one back in and topped off the tank.
The engine started immediately, and ran all season.
I did the same the next year...
never replaced the diaphragm...
but our petrol (gasoline) has never had corn juice (ethanol) in it.
YMMV.
That little generator is surprisingly quiet, at least it appears that way on camera, nice work bringing this little vintage generator back to life! It looks like it doesn't have many hours on it, I have a vintage generator that I picked up over the summer that's even older than that one, it's from the 1970s. Paid only $50 for it on marketplace, it's a Sears 3000 watt generator powered by a 7HP flathead Tecumseh engine, it's in pretty good shape too and looks like it doesn't have many hours on it. Didn't take much to get it running, just cleaned the points and the carb, the metal gas tank was in pristine condition and it makes power!
Nice!
The old school flat head motors from Briggs and Tecumseh were quite durable. I find it frustrating that the laws eliminated their manufacture... and the engines that replaced them end up more frequently in the trash. My old snowblower will fall apart long before the SnowKing motor is ready to retire.
I completely agree. The flat head engines were simple, strong and reliable.
It´s been over 5 years already that they are out of production, I think Briggs (as the last manufacturer) stopped making them in 2016. Time flies...
Exactly what happened to my Ariens snowblower. My new Ariens Ax has already given me problems. The 14 year old SnowKing seems indestructible yet everything else is falling apart around it.
@@interstellarconundrum4774 The SnowKing Engine was great indeed, honestly can´t understand why so many people don´t like Tecumseh, I never had problems with them, speaking form a 20 years experience perspective.
Sadly, our bad replacement engines will have to go *"next to"* the trash b/c it's full with the other newly designed "replacement" items. Those which appear to be engineered to fail within 5-10 yrs. E.g., our appliances, TV's, other gas powered implements etc-even much of the furniture. 🤔
Nice to see you using that awesome lift table.😉
James thank you. I forget to extend down in the description. I found everything. Squirt bottle. Metal tea bag. And the sonic cleaner. Your cleaner looks 1 to 1. Maybe alittle less on the cleaner. And I want to thank you. After watching your vids I have gotten a mower that hadn’t been cranked in 2 years and a 1100 Robin/Subaru that hadn’t been cranked in about 3 years cranking on the second pull every time. Thanks. And I’ll keep watching
Nice find. Put a couple lengths of split hose & zip ties over
the bottom frame rails, to keep it steady and insulated.
There are gas tank repair kits that deal with the rust and coat the inside of the tank to protect against future rust. They made them for motorcycles mainly.
This guy is so meticulous. Tiny parts, small tools, detailed explanations. What more could you ask for.👌
Yes!
That's a flat head Briggs, almost indestructible. Another great video. Thanks for all you do!
A 3 hp Briggs was the first engine I ever worked on, when I was 16. I'm 71 now, and just last year I got to work on a 3 hp flathead Briggs. Not much had changed. 🤣
Thursday morning treat!!
The screws that hold the carb on are designed to allow a flat blade screw driver to come in from the side. 1/4 turn at a time. Takes forever but it works.
Hi James great vintage generator mate this one did not fight you at all Nice to see you using your new bench lift to your advantage
Thanks Dean. I thought for sure I was at least going to have to pull the head off and clean up the valves.
That outro sound clip from the engine with the sticking valve just keeps on giving! Love it! I just got a few Husqvarna and Stihl chainsaws and a Japanese motorized sprayer/blower with a Mikuni carb on it to try and fix for fun. They all have great compression, but seems the Stihl has severed the crank pin holding the flywheel at the right position and the Husqvarna and japanese blower need new crank seals. I am planning on making them in to 48V DC portable generators for my electric scooter and a friend's electric motorcycle.
Your hex nuts did a decent job but I have found that square nuts with their sharp corners work faster at scuffing loose the rust.
What a sweet little engine, beautifully designed and built, pity Briggs did not have the generator technology to go with it at the time.
What a great , vintage machine. Built like a bank vault. As always excellent video.
Thanks Paul
Love your videos!
The pincore generator video brings back some memories. I bought a 7500 watt Pincore generator head from John Deere to run on my JD400 back in 1980. It's a brush type actually pulls the power from the slip rings (rotating stator)
The generator only shows a bridge rectifier and a what they call a Thyrector? I sort of remember it having a transformer or coil of sorts in the outlet box. The instructions for setting generator speed was to set the no load voltage at 250 volts. It has a volt meter marked in a small green area.
This thing powered my entire house in emergency for years.
I later made it a 540 pto generator for my 850. The generator is an 1800 rpm version. I used it until about 10 years ago when I got my 14,000 Generac. I still have it as well as the manual it came with.
Very cool. I have seen a transformer used before. The excitation winding (DPE) is usually a separate winding about 90 degrees out of phase with the main winding. That is rectified to DC and sent to the rotor. If no dedicated excitation winding, I think a transformer can be used on the main winding to displace the phase and can be used in place of the excitation winding to power the rotor. Much more simple design. Less to go wrong.
@@jcondon1 Yes there is no voltage regulator. I found the wiring diagram. The transformer is attached directly to the slip rings, there are 4 rings 120 volts per two rings? The two common go to the center tap of the imput and the other two to the other inputs of the transformer. The output goes directly to the 240 receptacles.
It must be Fairley clean power we always ran a television etc. With no issue. The last time I used it was for a major snow event. Ran for 48+ hours straight. At the time we had a maw and paw BP conveyance store. I had a 32kw diesal generator there it ran for 8 days straight. That thing was a beast. 4 cylinder Deutz air cooled engine Kato generator head. I put it together with a 200 Amp manual transfer switch. 3,000 lb of power!!! I love generators!!!
When things were built the last and not so complicated to work on great piece of machinery, glad to see you bringing it back to life. Great video
Yes!
When I was a kid my grandfather had a lawnmower shop and i used to help him. These old flat heads are like old friends.
Great video. This would a good little generator for power tools off grid.
Same year I was born, 1985! Thanks for tuning me up! 😀
Great find , great save!
This is an interesting machine. I have never worked on anything with a carb setup like that before. Thank you for doing this one.
Older stuff was definitely built to last!
keep the ending with the motor coughing and the dog bark, its sounds great considering your show is around getting those old motors running..hell id use it as my intro before your voice introduction 👍👍
What a beauty to bring back great job
Love this little Briggs engines James.
Great video with a great win.
Thank you for the video!
It help clear up a lot of things.
Briggs flat heads are just amazing motors.
Just love an old flathead Briggs! Simple yet reliable! Great score!
Nice one. Seeing that red Briggs side valve engine brings back memories of my old edger. It kept going for ever and never gave trouble. Nice simple engines.
I love those flathead engines. They last forever and are good on gas and can idle super slow.
Nice! That engine, color, everything brought back memories of my 80’s Toro lawn mower. That thing was a tank.
Great video of fixing the gen! Thanks for the oscilloscope view of the output at 35:45.
Hi James, great to see your finally using your lift. 😂
Hi mate. I always clean my tanks by putting gravel into them and then wrapping them in a blanket in a concrete mixer. the revolutions are perfect for cleaning rust.
My first small engine was given to me when I was about 13. If I remember, it was a model Briggs 1S, or something similar. It was about 60 years ago and it was old then. It had an oil bath air filter made of plastic or celluloid with a metal cap on top. Looked like the same type of tank with the carb mounted to it. Head was warped so I filed it flat and it started and ran well. Im still watching engine repair. Thanks for the video.
James you got a great deal on this generator little bit of work you got up and running 👍👍
So much knowledge and information my friend as always thank you
I've got the verticle shaft version of this motor on a old Murray push mower. I use it as a trim mower. It's been supplanted by a newer unit but it's not as well made as this. You've inspired me to hang on to this old antique and maybe breathe some fresh life into it. Glad to see Oregon is making parts for these.
Yes!
This is a awesome video for the age of the generator is runs great. Love your channel and content. ❤
That is one big float bowel they say the simple idea’s are the best great job bringing it back to life
Just a suggestion, you should check the diagram cover for flatness. I’ve had to flatten them by rubbing them on fine sand paper to keep them from leaking.
I was going to say the same thing. They usually warp over time from the screw pressure.
Hopefully my reply will make your suggestion more likely to be seen.
Those are cute little machines for back in the day, i have one that looks like a pressure washer, engine on top and generator under the motor, works fine ,just old , great video
Nice video and cool little Yuppie gen. I have really good experience using Evapo-Rust after the bolt treatment. Thanks for sharing
Nice and very compact generator. I wouldn't plug a fridge or grandma's old black and white TV in it, but a lot of modern electronics with an SMPS just rectify the whole thing and are good with pretty much anything you throw at them.
It is/was just a tad too high on voltage. a fridge motor with its high power consumption could handle it IMO it is modern electronics who might not like the extra 5 volts.
@@markae0 the rms of AC power is the rated output of a given generator. The peak output can be as high as 170v from the electric utility company.
@@markae0 Modern 120v-only electronics can handle 200v peak before the capacitor voltage rating is exceeded. For a pure sine wave this corresponds to 141 volts. So the generator's just a bit too much. Of course anything with a wide range 100-240 or 85-265 input will be just fine. To correct the voltage you could plug in something like the Tripp-Lite LC1200 external voltage regulator. Or it probably wouldn't be too hard to connect an internal AVR like more modern generators have.
@@eDoc2020 120 is = 170 V peak. 140v is 200V peak yeah.
@@markae0 as @eDoc2020 mentions, I was referring to switching power supplies that go all the way from 100 (sometimes even 80) to 240 v.
Thanks for the vid James.
Wow - You and Mustie1 working on the same carb on the same day. Good explanations from both you and him. Thanks..
James your truly amaze me you have taught me so much your vids are a credit to you thank you sir
Make that your back up I reckon. 10kva is big 👍
Plus you're keeping another good old flathead Briggs running
Not too shabby, I was taught back in the 70s that this style carburetor needs to have the air cleaner retaining bolt in place even without the air cleaner assembly and you may already know this or know better, either way nice job
For me a 13H00 treat.... Nicely coincides with my lunch break!!
I have one of these from the 70's and I believe it is a Pincor as well, the one I have is a 4000 watt generator and if I remember correctly it belonged to the guys grandpa was in excellent condition. Cleaned the carb and the thing ran great and produced power. Haven't ran it in years though.
Same exact problem im having. Thanks for the solution
Looks like a fabulous work site generator to me.. Or even a home DIY generator. Fantastic condition for its age. Thanks for the videos.
These are OK for work sites but they love gas lol. Another thing we ran into was some battery chargers for cordless tools would reject the power as too dirty. They can really shine though running lights pumps and electric motors on mechanical analog control systems.
Hey I see you’re finally not on your knees working on the floor. Bravo
Hey the year I was born! Awesome repair!
I was 12!
James, another great video. I like seeing the old ones come back to life. You mentioned that it was brushed and not a brushless generator. I was wondering if you had thought about a video that shows the difference and similarities of brushed/brushless/inverter/other? types of generators. Showing the different parts and how they each make power. Maybe even the differences between permanent magnet vs residual magnetism. I don't know, what do you think?
Great video, looks pretty nice for age.👍👍👍
These engines are almost as great as your video content! I picked up a sears craftsman 1350 generator (1984)off the curb. Exact same engine ( minus a carb). Great info. Thanks!
U.K. It does sound nice. All those years and almost nothing wrong. I wonder how many modern ones would behave like that. There is no doubt 'KISS' - Keep It Simple Stupid - pays off even if the output is a bit 'crude'. Interesting video James. I doubt here in the UK I will ever see you dismantle my German inverter generator but I hope I never need it. My little Chinese 850W (750W ?) won't blow up. Fingers crossed. Take care, regards.
There is a special Briggs tool for those carb to block bolts. Part# 19305. NLA from B&S and folks are asking crazy prices on them on the usual sites. IIRC, I paid ~$6 for it when I worked in an OPE dealership in the 90s. Still have and occasionally use it!
Engine sounds great
A little trick I've used before on hardened diaphragms. As long as they are not cracked, try spraying them with brake cleaner and then immediately blow them dry with low pressure air. Feel the rubber and see if it's more pliable. If not repeat a time or two or three. I've had this work before.
With these, before taking anything apart...just fill the tank with fresh fuel to the point of overflowing.
This fills every orifice as well as the pump diaphragm with fresh fuel...and also the bowl at the top of the tank.
With the fuel tank overflowing that "bowl" is more than chokka with fuel...and the engine will start easily and run well.
By thetime the top part of the tank is emptied to the level of the bowl and the pump needs to work...the diaphragm is pliable and all is well.....
Masterful work again James. Wait, is that a word?
...and not a craptastic plastic anywhere to be seen!
It screams Quality. If it's made of metal, it can be repaired, welded, brazed and back to new in no time.
If it's made of craptastic, it goes to the landfill to die.
Even if the gas tank had holes, they could be filed with low temp alloy brazing rods like BlueDemon, sanded and painted.
Or even coat the inside with epoxy like they do with all canned foods and drinks.
This video was very nice to watch and be reminded of quality long gone.
They don't make them like this anymore.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but those pickups in the tank are plastic. Nothing else seems to be, though.
I did not know they had brushless generators in 1985. You did a fantastic job on that fuel tank.
Thanks
Great video as usual. I wish you would have explained how the diaphragm fuel pump actually works. Thanks again.
That tank came out very well. I was surprised. I was thinking as you were shaking it around with bolts in it, that you're gonna need to get the Kreem kit. That product seems to work well on motorcycles anyway. I usually have to fix the holes in the tank by brazing it, then I Kreem the tank to seal it from moisture and so forth.
Nice work! I am not getting notifications of new videos for some reason , I am subscribed
Thank heavens for my next mecha-fix .........ah, that's better. Back in old Blighty now, Jim, but keep 'em coming thanks.
Nice work table......... jealous!
I use to live by a Briggs & Stratton factory. That is a great engine.
nice job, as usual!
James, when it comes to carburetors, always suspect there could be a problem. You did the right thing getting gaskets and diaphragms for it. Anyway, good job getting it running!!!
No mater what else is wrong with the machine, the carburetor almost always needs some attention.
Nicely done with the redneck tumble, to clean the tank! I always look forward to Thursday mornings with your videos.
Same here.
This old machine works Very well awesome to see it Running well and Looking good as well @James Condon
Thanks James for great tip using nuts and bolts to clean rusty gas tank. Will have to try that with motorcycle gas tanks that always get rusty. Like your reasoning to balance voltage and AC frequency because they may not be independently adjustable.
Here's a crazy idea for getting rust out of the tank like that. Do what you did but instead of shaking it by hand, strap it to a car wheel and have the car on jack stands so the wheel spins in low gear. Let it do that for maybe 15-20 minutes. Saw that in another video.
Yeah, except that tank had a big hole in the top. He would have had to made a plate to mount where the carb normally goes. This way he just covered it with his hand
thank you for putting the scope on it , I am always very curious of the output waveform of the generators..
Most of these old Briggs engine met their death because of rust in the tank. Other than that, totally bullet proof as long as you kept oil in them and kept them out of the rain. Great video, thanks.
The tank is the weak link. Someone needs to start making some aftermarket ones.
Great video as always. Since it is a brushed generator there has to be voltage regulation of sorts. Maybe there is a adjustment pot on the circuit board?
i'm glad that you an easy one.
good video, thank you
James I want one of those spark testers. WOW AWESOME STUFF 👌
Link in the description
Great job! Kind of makes up for the one that fried on you and it was a freebie!
Love your videos nice to see you using your Lyft in your garage. Makes it easier on your back.
I love the old B&S flatheads with Pulsa-Jet carburetors ! So simple !!
The felt oil pad on the end of the crank lubes the one way/over-rideing clutch that disconnects the rewind mechanism from the engine once it is started.
Pulsa-Jets are almost indestructible except for that fuel pump. Make certain the the rubber elbows at the ends of the pulse tube are in good condition.