bought my 2000 excursion with 420,000 on clock and bad trans from a old guy who drove long haul to visit his kids a lot. trans gave out so he parked it thinking of getting trans replaced. never did so he sold it to me. i put in a used trans out of another f250 I bought with it and been driving it for 80,000 miles now. replaced vac lines and about to replace plugs and coils. nothing else and runs flawless. it was quieter than my 2002 f250 i bought new with a 5.4. I get 12-13 around town and 16-16.5 on the highway and 11.5 towing my 23' boat. just came back from a vacation run of 500 miles and averaged 14.5 town and running 75 most of the time. before anyone calls bs, cut the ford muffler off and replace with a flow master or equivalent and a k&n. DONT cut off the cat though or you will definitely lose your milage gains.
My 5.4 absolutely loves gas ⛽ 16ish highway, 12/13 city...it is hell having a shitty job that doesn't pay a whole lot. Keeping gas in this thing is a true struggle 💯
Retired Tech Here, Yes Saw Plugs Blow Out, Had Many Customers That Never Had A Problem. Use Motorcraft Plugs Much Better! This Is A Tough Engine, And Like Any Other. Just Needs To Maintained Properly! Great Report Thanks
Howdy Mr Charles, I'm purchasing a v 10 single cab dually 4x4 automatic. They're is a little smoke coming out the bottom of the engine where the exhaust meets the engine. No oil leak that I can find and doesn't smell like oil. Just wondering your take, I know there's not a lot of info to help you make your decision. Thank you in advance for answer
My dad's got one, a 99 he bought new. It's been solid reliable living its whole life pulling 10-12k lbs. Doesn't tow as fast as a diesel, but has alot less upkeep costs. Fuel economy isn't bad. 8-10 towing, 14-16 unloaded. It blew its 1st plug last year, but still pulled 10k and got us home on 9cyl. They are a fantastic alternative to a diesel especially these days how expensive and complicated diesels have become.
Another channel did a 6.8 excursion vs 8.1 suburban 2500 and both got 13.4 and 13.5mph after 100 miles. They made the 6.8 for 20 years because it was amazing in fact they still use them for school busses and large generators because they are extremely reliable with good maintenance. My f350 6.8 is sitting at 478,000 miles and I haven't had to open up the engine. My biggest problem has been old sensors and exhaust manifold bolts breaking. I already rethreaded for a larger size bolt and that has fixed the issue thus far. Its been the most reliable vehicle ive owned and has never left me stranded, i bought it at 211k miles for $900 it had been sitting since the owner passed away and his son was a cheby guy and disnt want it. Change the oile every 7-10k miles at least clean the spark plugs around the same time torque the plugs to 20-21ft/lbs and just do your maintenance and they'll go on for a long time. At 500k miles im gonan do a rebuild and do some upgrades to help it keep up. I will never get rid of this truck until the fram rusts away.
The reason most people hate the 6.8L V-10 is because they don't perform regular maintenance and bitch and moan when something goes wrong and they assume that the engine is a bad engine... FORD V-10 is a great reliable engine as long as you maintain it
Yepp, generally true about all engines out there with the exception of the few that are built with inherent flaws. The V10 is a great engine, I generally prefer a pre-emissions diesel myself, but these things will last near as long as a diesel when properly maintained.
@@8020Media I'm probably gonna keep this truck till I die. It does everything I have ever asked of it, of course except get good gas mileage. But I'm still getting 13.2mpg which is better than a lot of the v10s which aren't as well maintained. It's just maintenance. They really don't have many flaws tbh
I agree with some of your observations regarding the problem areas of the V-10 engines. That said, many of the issues can be improved by better maintenance. Many of these engines are used in heavy duty towing applications and can benefit from frequent fleet schedule (3000 mile) oil change intervals rather than the 5000 mile intervals suggested. (Oil is cheap compared to engine replacement). The cams and cam chain components will live much happier lives with clean oil. I would disagree with your opinion on the mileage numbers. Unless you have your right on the floorboard all the time, I find that these engines can achieve decent mileage in everyday use. I normally get 11.5 to 13MPG around town and slightly better on the highway when not towing. Towing a 6000 lb. trailer it drops down to 8-10 depending how much climbing is needed. That is very good compared to the 460 V8 truck it replaced which could never reach 10 MPG empty or better than 6.5 towing. The V-10 is a better engine for towing. Based on what is available in the truck market today, I will keep my 2001 F-350 4WD until it turns to dust.
@@thebear6751 Other than maintenance, (3000 mi. oil changes), belts, filters, etc. I have had no problems whatsoever. I changed the factory spark plugs at 110,000miles- all were worn but tight in the head. I recently returned from a 200 mile trip (not towing anything) and averaged 13.5 MPG which included mountainous regions. My son has an almost identical 2001 F-250 V-10 truck with 320,000 miles on it with no major problems. We had to replace the radiator due to a plastic tank splitting so we replaced the water pump and hoses just because they were old. I am very pleased with the performance of these V-10 engines. After doing research it seems the unfortunate spark plug blow-out problem is caused by the factory by not putting enough threads in the head, and also by the factory issuing a 13 ft lb. torque spec. on the plugs that is not sufficient to keep them tight. When they loosen, it causes cylinder pressure to blow past the threads eventually damaging those threads and launching the plug. If you torque the plugs to 20-26 ft lbs. and do NOT use any anti seize.it is highly unlikely you will experience plug failures. One guy ( I think it was on TH-cam) took a pair of old heads and tried to see how much torque it took to strip the good threads out of the head. He couldn't do it as the spark plugs kept breaking at about 100 ft lbs.
Thanks for your comments about the Ford V-10 engine. I Have a 2009 Ford F-350 Super Duty with a V-10 Triton engine with over 150,000 miles, and haven't had to much of a problem with it. The only really serious problem i had for a while was it was difficult to fill the gas tank because the hose at the gas station would keep shutting off, and I had to pump it in very 'slow in order to get a full tank. Otherwise I really like the truck and it pulls our 26 camping trailer very nicely.
Is the truck itself very durable and reliable? I'm not asking about the motor, but the truck itself. Do you have to repair it much? I'm asking because I would like one of the 08-10 Super Duty trucks. Hope yours lasts a very long time!
@@motormouth2472I have a 1999 crew cab. If you live where they use salt these trucks rust out the rocker panels at the bottom of the doors, and the cab corners. If it was equipped with the nerf bar steps they too will rust out. I was looking at repairing mine but I may be doing a cab swap instead due to rust. Otherwise I personally have owned 4 superduty trucks and the chassis has never given me a moments problem. Make sure the frames not rusty, around here the rust is the main issue. As for a triton v10 the only issue I’ve had was blowing a spark plug going through the mountains with a fifth wheel camper and speed boat on the back. After that me and my dad swapped in a 2003 engine. No problems since but it’s rough looking until I do the cab swap.
I just sold my 1999 F-350 to a close friend. It had 330,000 miles on it and ran very well. I have repaired 6 of the spark plug threads in the past. With the kit I have, it wasn't really that big of a deal and really gives me piece of mind.
I have three 7.3 diesels and three 6.8 gas all over 300 thousand. I have put way less money in the 6.8 gas . 11 mpg gas 16 mpg diesel over all counting fuel the gas is way cheaper to keep going and I didn't think it would be. Going to try and run them to 500 hundred thousand.
I have a 2009 Superduty with the V10 and it’s been the best engine I’ve ever owned. 12mpg around town unless you idle it a lot and 15mpg on the highway on cruise control with the 4.10 rear. Oh, it’s a towing beast in the 8-9k lb trailer range.
I have a 2002 V10 XLT 16' box with 662,303 miles. Replaced transmission at 543,000 and engine at 595,000. Just replaced power steering pump because the belt kept breaking. Wouldn't start in park but neutral, so replaced neutral switch.
I just bought a 2000 f250 with 6.8L v10 with 360,000 miles & I drove it for about 10,000 miles since new (to me) in a few months & it’s been working great 👍🏽
Liked & Subbed 🤙🏽 like you said maintenance is “key” she purrs like she just left the assembly line. Previous owners fixed all those little problems. From headers to spark plugs 🤙🏽
Bought my '01 used with 117K on the clock. Had the plugs replaced at the dealership, never been an issue. Over a decade later and 165K no issues with the drivetrain. I've got the heaviest truck you could get outside a dually, I get 11MPG in mostly city driving and about 13 highway only. Best tank I've ever gotten was a flat stretch of highway where I cruised at 60MPH with a tailwind, and got 16MPG. Never touched that mileage again, it's consistently been 11-13 MPG. This truck seems to have about as much torque as either of the Cummins trucks I owned in the past. Had 2 coil packs go bad, I replaced them myself. Original transmission and it shifts fine. It's powerful enough to stomp on the gas and burn rubber on dry pavement even with brand new tires. Worst thing I could say about the V10 is the gas mileage. Of course the modern choked-down diesels aren't doing much better and cost more per mile to operate.
I have been very happy with my 2001 V10 F250, only thing not mentioned but I believe is worthy of being known is that the V10 burns oil. I make it a point to make sure to check oil level every 3rd fill up and usually have to add about 2 quarts between a 5000-mile oil change. Also as mentioned the V10 gets terrible gas mileage, but I only use the truck to pull a travel trailer 3 times a year, and on weekends going to adnd from the hardware store.
I use a 2000 f250 v10 triton for work and pull a lot of weight through town and on the highway, it has around 260k miles on it but it feels like it’s only getting about 65% of its potential power. It seems some of that loss of power is in the exhaust system. Thanks for making this video I’m going to check it out later.
No issues with our E350 400,000 miles later. All it takes is regular maintenance. It a great engine for us. We have the 2017 version. I would get it again as a power plant that’s how reliable it’s been. How you take care of it goes a long way.
Well done vid.👍 I have a 2001 Excursion Limited, 6.8L V10, 2 valve. Its getting harder to find mechanics with the skill and talent to effectively work on these things due to the vehicles age. I would like to keep, maintain, and slowly restore this vehicle. Question: Do u know of any shops in the southern California area who specialize in Excursions? Thank you.
JW - Thanks for the feedback! We don't know of any reputable mechanics over there since we are based out of Texas and Colorado, but we will try to do some digging.
I think the spark plug problem was common on a lot of ford modular engines including the 5.4 triton V8 heard it's common on the 5.4 not nearly as common on the 4.6 V8 pretty rare on the newer models.
My04 v10 has 276k. @140k ford garage did the valve roller needle bearings, tapping for a minute+ at startup. Almost traded for a 6.2 2014. Decided to keep the v10 for probably a while, runs perfect, however, in can stumble just barely during idle, probably could use a timing chain. I definitely listen to it carefully at all times. Could you do a video on the 6.2? All i found was valve springs can break. 32 springs and 16 spark plugs, thankful there aren't more
E - Thanks for sharing your experience! We will add the 6.2 to our list, however, in the mean time, this article on our Chevy Trucks website may help: chevytrucks.org/ultimate-gm-62-vortec-engine-guide/
When it comes to fuel economy, you have to remember the V-10 replaced the 460 big block V-8 and not only made more power, but was more feul efficient, about 20% better. So at the time in the 90's, the feul economy of the V-10 was pretty good for a large gas engine.
I have my beloved 2002 f250 v10 that has hauled my keystone 40ft cross country no problem over 3100miles. On the same trip my 2023 f350 broke down half way home. It was fixed by the dealer but the whole thing was a nightmare.
Just purchased a 2005 shuttle bus that belonged to a church. 22,000 miles on it. I hope it is as good as people say it is. I’d love suggestions on what to do since the motor is 19 years old even if it is low mileage. Drove it home 5 hours and it ran great. Change oil and tranny fluid? What else? Getting 6 new tires for sure. They looked good but I had a wobble driving it home. Took it to my tire guy and an inside dual had the tread coming off.
C - We would look at the maintenance records and see what has been addressed already. From there just do standard maintenance since it sounds like it's running well.
So, Replace the PVC and hose every 50,000 miles, replace or retorque plugs every 20,000 miles, when new - replace exhaust studs and nut with stainless steel, Replace timing chain and guides every 125,000 miles, carry a spare fuel pump.
You can just replace the PCV hose and exhaust studs when they fail and cause a leak. Keeping on top of the plugs and timing chain would be responsible though.
Sir, The 5.4L Triton V8 does not share the same timing chain set up as the 6.8L Triton V10. The 5.4L Triton V8 utilizes the Variable Valve Timing using cam phasers with their timing chain set up. The 2005 and up 6.8L V10 uses a variable length intake runner intake manifold to offset the loss of the VVT Cam Phaser set up. None of the 6.8L Triton V10s ever used a VVT Cam Phaser timing system. It is Cam Phaser wear and failure that will jack up the 5.4L V8. Poor engine maintenance will exacerbate premature VVT Cam Phaser failure. Regardless, eventually, the Cam Phasers will wear out and need to be replaced with improved Cam Phasers from Ford. Never install aftermarket Cam Phasers. They’re junk. The 4.6L V8, 5.4L V8 and 6.8L V10 do have one thing in common with each other. Behind the timing chain cover on the driver’s side of the engine. Is a small oil return plate that sends oil to the other side of the engine. This can, over time, leak. This reduces pressure to the timing chain tensioners, the tensioners allow the timing chain to slap the tensioners thereby eventually breaking the slippers or tensioners. So far, my ‘05 Lincoln Town Car with the two valve 4.6L V8 has 197,500 trouble free miles My ‘06 F250XLT withe the 6.8L V10 and German ZF6 six speed manual trans has 165,000 trouble free miles. Yes, the exhaust manifold studs are junk and need to be replaced in ye old V10. Anyway, great channel! Keep up the good work. RustyFuryIII
uh, not sure where you're getting your information but the 2v 5.4 and 2v V10 share the exact same timing chains, tensioner, timing covers, as well as the same piston and rod size. The valves, spring, as well as the cam followers in the heads are the same as well....I have put pistons and rods from a V10 into a 5.4.
Had an 03 xlt never missed a step 600 thousand plus. It took a front end collision to take it out. I have an 04 now king ranch same v10. 200+ O'Rileys said I needed new alternator my mechanic said alternator is fine. Cold weather came I need to jump it in the morning. Sometimes I have to hold key for 30 seconds before the starter engages. Anyone have anything they can share where I should go next. I bought new battery going in. But this v10 after 02 is a great motor. Any help appreciated
I'm in Massachusetts but I take my iron beast to northern New Hampshire a lot in the Winter her we will get negative wind chill but usually our coldest days are 0-10° And that's when this started this winter doing it. When I'm up in northern New Hampshire I've been in the bush negative 20 and she always fired up. So once this started happening I haven't gone to back country. But finally I diagnosed it. It had a tiny bad spot on the armature bar I think it's called so it was Russian roulette if it stopped in that one spot it wouldn't start. And I fiqured it out with my rubber mallet lol like you said, I was cold pissed needed to plow and it wouldn't start so I keep a mallet under my seat because I run a Fisher minute mount 2 and some times I have to set the pins the last half an inch. But she is all fixed now. Now all I need is to find a short bed since I have king ranch super crew, some DUI clipped my truck fucked up my bumper and the impact combined with the weight of my toolbox factory bed rail collapsed so now I don't look as professional for jobs as I fight this insureence. They want to total my truck over a bumper and bed rail. I won't let them if I have to I'll go flat bed not sure how it will look with an extended cab though
I have 300,000 miles on my triton V 10 in my 2001 Ford excursion three valve motor than normal maintenance in a couple blown out plugs. That thing runs like a monster and I have literally out towed in drug 7.3 down the road.
We have 3 v10's. One runs great, another runs rough but we never really drive it and one is currently in the shop and they can't figure out the misfire issues. That one is a 2003 with over 200k. I think the transmission is starting to go out too so it's time to look for something else.
I'm looking to buy a decent gas-powered older class A motorhome over the next few months. I've of course been absorbing TH-cam videos to gain as much knowledge as I can regarding engine options and the pros and cons of each. The three flavors that stand out are the Ford 460, the chevy 454 and the Ford Triton V10. The reputations so far for the Ford 460 and the Chevy 454 seem to be favorable. The V10 is much more, shall we say, spotty. Case in point, and one not mentioned in your video: A TH-cam video from about 4 years ago described a Class A motorhome with the Ford V10 that was making a knocking noise. This engine had around 65,000 miles on it. After a couple of mis-diagnosis incidences (valve train, exhaust manifold gasket) it was found that the cylinder #7 fuel injector was malfunctioning and pouring excessive fuel into that cylinder. The tear-down revealed that this excessive fuel had been washing the oil from the rings and cylinder walls, causing the piston skirt to score both itself and the cylinder wall and the piston to slap - which was the source of the knocking sound. Several thousand dollars later the engine was rebuilt by a reputable Phoenix-area shop. I vaguely recall another TH-camr mechanic (car wizard) strongly recommending avoiding these engines as well as the Triton V8s. While most engines have their pros, cons and gotchas, with everything I've uncovered thus far about this particular powerplant I've decided to avoid the V10 like plutonium.
Not a bad call, I wouldn't say these have been terrible engines, at least in newer form, but the 454 and 460 definitely have a few less serious problems.
It always amazes me when the subject of fuel economy comes up with gas trucks, its a simple fact that nox emissions are combated in two was EGR and rich mixtures to reduce combustion temperatures and in general piston and exhaust valve temperatures by the ability of the unburnt fuel being able to remove some temperature and making engines more durable under heavy towing and high load conditions, manufacturers program for worst case scenario as no one knows which truck will be used by whom for what at what frequency !
I'm looking at two motorhomes one with the 6.8V10 and another with the 7.3V8 Godzilla I'm leaning towards the V10 what engine is better for reliability and having the RV for a long time. Thank you
I have an 05 excursion 4x4 v10 and not towing it gets 15.4. About 8 or 9 towing. Currently at 229k amd never opened the engine. Been a great engine. My 05 f250 with a 5.4 has 237k and also never been opened up but gets 16.6 not towing so not much better for the problems they can have.
I drove a 16 passanger bus that had a V10 it blew out 1 spark plug other than that it was a good motor a bit of a pig 🐖 but was in a heavy bus. Had 130k when i left that job to get a CDL and drive truck but i still see that bus running around town for MRDD so still going.
I have a 04 E450 v10 in motorhome towing a ford Ranger I get 11 to 12 but the 28 ft motorhome is a B plus I stay under 62 to 65 mph the motorhome is lighter weight for 450 so I’m 2000 lbs loaded under max. Oil has always been changed Mobile1 once a year as I only put 2000 a year on her. It is ready to turn 50k miles. I hardly jumps out of overdrive on highways even towing. It’s always been garaged. I would never buy new Ford with all the issues they have but in 04 they were built well same as Ranger I pull.
The biggest things are the timing chain and the spark plug blowout issues. I tried to decipher between the variations in the video but happy for any further clarification you'd like to provide.
I think a lot of times it's just easier to build something from the ground up rather than try to reengineer. 7.5 V8 was a good engine but was antiquated and manufacturers were moving to smaller engines for weight and fuel economy reasons.
The 7.5 wasn’t a powerhouse when you consider the poor fuel economy. It was so inefficient and was horrible as far as emissions. Engines are essentially air pumps. The more air that you can move the more power you can make. The Triton engines were much more efficient at moving air. Thanks to the deep skirted cross bolted blocks the 6.8 was also much smoother and quieter.
As others mentioned, emissions. But Ford still needed a large gasoline truck engine for that specific market. They couldn't resize the modular V8's any more as the 5.4 was about as big as they could get, so they just bolted another two cylinders to the motor and had a big-enough engine to do the job
Which leads to the timing chain jumping. I went a bit shallow on my description of the problem, but yes the tensioner is a common failure point which then leads to issues with the chain jumping.
I noticed that the RV World has a lot of the V10 Triton engines and I asked the dude about the motor and he said they're getting over 300K and I've heard others say higher and it's pretty wild I think I would still rather have a diesel in a big RV but y'all tell me that's got one💚😎👊🏻🗯💥👍🏼👍🏼
It's not unheard of if the engine is in good shape, it's tuned properly, extremely light on the throttle, and mostly highway driving. But still not the norm or the average.
Probably metric system 😂 16-18kmpg would be equivalent to 9.94-11.18mpg and that falls into the range of my 99 v10 although my cousin was getting 14mpg in his 2005.
Where were you with this video 3 years ago? My 1999 F350 was driving almost fine, it developed a random misfire. But, the real pisser happened at 143k miles the F'en timing chain on the passenger side broke. It's a truck and Fords used to be reliable, I couldn't afford the diesel so I got the gasser. So let down by Ford, big time. I really should have known better, after all, who in their right mind would put an OHC engine into a truck? That alone should have pushed me away from Ford. But I bought it anyway. At the end of your video you said these were overall pretty reliable engines. No they were not, blowing plugs, burning valve, exhaust leaks, timing chain failures, etc. And if a chain failed it does valve damage. If you truly want a reliable engine you buy the Chevy with the 6.0l engine. Those were great trucks all the way around.
@@8020Media honestly I felt betrayed by Ford. I grew up in a ford family. I've had Rangers, older F350 with a fantastic 460, I've even had a Taurus and a Tempo. So when i bought a truck labelled "Super Duty", that's kind of what i expected. Instead at only 143k the engine became a boat anchor. All my Chevy friends cruised right past 300k with their trucks. But in the bright side, I didn't buy a Dodge. The friends that bought Dodges didnt even make it to 100k.
I just wanted to let you know that youre completely butchering and blending the spark plug issues Also the 05-08 3v motors also had spark plug issues in the 3v form (btw the E series and bare chassis motors were almost always 2v up to 2019 where all F series v10's after 2005 were of the 3v design. So thr plug issues. The early 97-02 motors had a HEAD CASTING issue. The spark plug as fine, but someone goofed up and tapered the plug holes too much meaning while the plug had like 11 threads on it, there were only about 4 threads in the head. They fixed this issue in mid 2002 and it was great. Some people would overtorque the 4 thread heads leading to weakening of the threads that would cause a blowout (if they didn't just pull the threads while tightening), others would under-tighten the plugs causing the plugs to come loose while the engine was running and rattle and rip the threads out, leading to a blowout. Then in 2005 they came out with the 3v, like 14 threads right? But they made the plug 2 pieces pressed together and thwy had a long stem that would press into the head below the threads and help seal. This long stem would sieze, and then the threaded part would come out and leave the cores inside, or the core would twist in half. Quite a fun time, and then you had some people over tighten these and the cores would shoot out and leave the threaded sections fully intact. Then in 2008 they moved to a 1-piece spark plug and from them on the only issues were sludge buildup and the plugs being tight enough to break cheap ratchets on by the time their change interval came. Thank you for atte ding my ted talk. I will see myself out. Edit: so the timing chain issue. They used plastictensiomers from somewhere around 2003 to about 2008/2009, before and after that time period they used cast iron chain tensioners. The plastic chain tensioners would crack and fail early, the cas iron tensioners would survive as long as you kept up with your oil changes for the most part. Also plastic guides suck but many other families of engines also use plastic chain guides. Also the v10s frequently got iron tensioners even through the plastic tensioner era because they were known to be a heavier duty application. The v8's had more chain issues and also the 3v v8's got VCT systems (that sucked balls) and the v10 never got those that i'm aware of.
Chevy trucks are for cry babies my 2000 f250 v10 just over a 120000 tows my equipment without any problem the best truck out there f150 250 and 350 are the best truck on the market if you looking to buy
Suppose it depends on the engine you are talking about or buying new vs old. In my opinion GM is producing the best diesel right now in the L5P, but everyone has their opinions and bias on truck brands.
Ford worst engine ever..The whole triton line was junk. Dodge and Chevy gas trucks of the same years are worth twice what the Fords are. I was glad to see Ford scrap the Triton and come out with a push rod v8.
My 1999 6.8 have 450k never had a problem since day one just the normal things like alternator battery a fuel pump that’s it. I’m sure you have never owned one.
Had one on the farm I worked on gutless gas guzzling pile of JUNK! 43liters per 100km when pulling the skid steer made lots of noise never went very fast.
bought my 2000 excursion with 420,000 on clock and bad trans from a old guy who drove long haul to visit his kids a lot. trans gave out so he parked it thinking of getting trans replaced. never did so he sold it to me. i put in a used trans out of another f250 I bought with it and been driving it for 80,000 miles now. replaced vac lines and about to replace plugs and coils. nothing else and runs flawless. it was quieter than my 2002 f250 i bought new with a 5.4. I get 12-13 around town and 16-16.5 on the highway and 11.5 towing my 23' boat. just came back from a vacation run of 500 miles and averaged 14.5 town and running 75 most of the time. before anyone calls bs, cut the ford muffler off and replace with a flow master or equivalent and a k&n. DONT cut off the cat though or you will definitely lose your milage gains.
O - Thanks for sharing your experience. Sounds like you got a good one!
My 5.4 absolutely loves gas ⛽ 16ish highway, 12/13 city...it is hell having a shitty job that doesn't pay a whole lot. Keeping gas in this thing is a true struggle 💯
E - Thanks for sharing your experience.
Kool thanks thinking of buying a 10 f250 with a v10 in it.
C - Nice! Keep us updated.
Retired Tech Here, Yes Saw Plugs Blow Out, Had Many Customers That Never Had A Problem. Use Motorcraft Plugs Much Better! This Is A Tough Engine, And Like Any Other. Just Needs To Maintained Properly! Great Report Thanks
Charles - Thanks for sharing your experience and insight! This will certainly help future viewers.
@@8020Media ok great thank you
I feel like the problem stems from not torquing down the plugs to the specific requirements
Howdy Mr Charles, I'm purchasing a v 10 single cab dually 4x4 automatic. They're is a little smoke coming out the bottom of the engine where the exhaust meets the engine. No oil leak that I can find and doesn't smell like oil. Just wondering your take, I know there's not a lot of info to help you make your decision. Thank you in advance for answer
My dad's got one, a 99 he bought new. It's been solid reliable living its whole life pulling 10-12k lbs. Doesn't tow as fast as a diesel, but has alot less upkeep costs. Fuel economy isn't bad. 8-10 towing, 14-16 unloaded. It blew its 1st plug last year, but still pulled 10k and got us home on 9cyl. They are a fantastic alternative to a diesel especially these days how expensive and complicated diesels have become.
FXFB - Love hearing this, thanks for sharing your experience! We are big fans of the V10 Triton's. How many miles does he have on it?
Another channel did a 6.8 excursion vs 8.1 suburban 2500 and both got 13.4 and 13.5mph after 100 miles.
They made the 6.8 for 20 years because it was amazing in fact they still use them for school busses and large generators because they are extremely reliable with good maintenance. My f350 6.8 is sitting at 478,000 miles and I haven't had to open up the engine. My biggest problem has been old sensors and exhaust manifold bolts breaking. I already rethreaded for a larger size bolt and that has fixed the issue thus far.
Its been the most reliable vehicle ive owned and has never left me stranded, i bought it at 211k miles for $900 it had been sitting since the owner passed away and his son was a cheby guy and disnt want it.
Change the oile every 7-10k miles at least clean the spark plugs around the same time torque the plugs to 20-21ft/lbs and just do your maintenance and they'll go on for a long time. At 500k miles im gonan do a rebuild and do some upgrades to help it keep up. I will never get rid of this truck until the fram rusts away.
Dustin - Thanks for taking the time to share your experience! This will certainly help future viewers.
I'm more like a chevy guy but also trying not no fall into the dumb idea one brand is better than other.
thank for sharing👍😎👍
The reason most people hate the 6.8L V-10 is because they don't perform regular maintenance and bitch and moan when something goes wrong and they assume that the engine is a bad engine...
FORD V-10 is a great reliable engine as long as you maintain it
Yepp, generally true about all engines out there with the exception of the few that are built with inherent flaws. The V10 is a great engine, I generally prefer a pre-emissions diesel myself, but these things will last near as long as a diesel when properly maintained.
@@8020Media mine has 248k it's pulled very heavy but it's been religiously maintenaned
Dustin - Thanks for providing your experience with the Triton! Hopefully you get another 250k out of it.
you hit the nail on the head.
@@8020Media I'm probably gonna keep this truck till I die. It does everything I have ever asked of it, of course except get good gas mileage. But I'm still getting 13.2mpg which is better than a lot of the v10s which aren't as well maintained. It's just maintenance. They really don't have many flaws tbh
I agree with some of your observations regarding the problem areas of the V-10 engines. That said, many of the issues can be improved by better maintenance. Many of these engines are used in heavy duty towing applications and can benefit from frequent fleet schedule (3000 mile) oil change intervals rather than the 5000 mile intervals suggested. (Oil is cheap compared to engine replacement). The cams and cam chain components will live much happier lives with clean oil. I would disagree with your opinion on the mileage numbers. Unless you have your right on the floorboard all the time, I find that these engines can achieve decent mileage in everyday use. I normally get 11.5 to 13MPG around town and slightly better on the highway when not towing. Towing a 6000 lb. trailer it drops down to 8-10 depending how much climbing is needed. That is very good compared to the 460 V8 truck it replaced which could never reach 10 MPG empty or better than 6.5 towing. The V-10 is a better engine for towing. Based on what is available in the truck market today, I will keep my 2001 F-350 4WD until it turns to dust.
Paul - Thanks for taking the time to write this insightful info! It will certainly help future viewers!
What’s some of the problems you’ve had with your motor
@@thebear6751 Other than maintenance, (3000 mi. oil changes), belts, filters, etc. I have had no problems whatsoever. I changed the factory spark plugs at 110,000miles- all were worn but tight in the head. I recently returned from a 200 mile trip (not towing anything) and averaged 13.5 MPG which included mountainous regions. My son has an almost identical 2001 F-250 V-10 truck with 320,000 miles on it with no major problems. We had to replace the radiator due to a plastic tank splitting so we replaced the water pump and hoses just because they were old. I am very pleased with the performance of these V-10 engines. After doing research it seems the unfortunate spark plug blow-out problem is caused by the factory by not putting enough threads in the head, and also by the factory issuing a 13 ft lb. torque spec. on the plugs that is not sufficient to keep them tight. When they loosen, it causes cylinder pressure to blow past the threads eventually damaging those threads and launching the plug. If you torque the plugs to 20-26 ft lbs. and do NOT use any anti seize.it is highly unlikely you will experience plug failures. One guy ( I think it was on TH-cam) took a pair of old heads and tried to see how much torque it took to strip the good threads out of the head. He couldn't do it as the spark plugs kept breaking at about 100 ft lbs.
Thanks for your comments about the Ford V-10 engine. I Have a 2009 Ford F-350 Super Duty with a V-10 Triton engine with over 150,000 miles, and haven't had to much of a problem with it. The only really serious problem i had for a while was it was difficult to fill the gas tank because the hose at the gas station would keep shutting off, and I had to pump it in very 'slow in order to get a full tank. Otherwise I really like the truck and it pulls our 26 camping trailer very nicely.
Registered - Thanks for sharing your experience!
your fuel hose has a pinch in it .
Your charcoal canister is clogged that’s why the gas pump keeps shutting off.
Is the truck itself very durable and reliable? I'm not asking about the motor, but the truck itself. Do you have to repair it much? I'm asking because I would like one of the 08-10 Super Duty trucks. Hope yours lasts a very long time!
@@motormouth2472I have a 1999 crew cab. If you live where they use salt these trucks rust out the rocker panels at the bottom of the doors, and the cab corners. If it was equipped with the nerf bar steps they too will rust out. I was looking at repairing mine but I may be doing a cab swap instead due to rust. Otherwise I personally have owned 4 superduty trucks and the chassis has never given me a moments problem. Make sure the frames not rusty, around here the rust is the main issue. As for a triton v10 the only issue I’ve had was blowing a spark plug going through the mountains with a fifth wheel camper and speed boat on the back. After that me and my dad swapped in a 2003 engine. No problems since but it’s rough looking until I do the cab swap.
I just sold my 1999 F-350 to a close friend. It had 330,000 miles on it and ran very well. I have repaired 6 of the spark plug threads in the past. With the kit I have, it wasn't really that big of a deal and really gives me piece of mind.
Turbo - Thanks for sharing this experience! Sounds like you sold a beast of a truck.
Do you have a link to the kit you bought?
I have three 7.3 diesels and three 6.8 gas all over 300 thousand. I have put way less money in the 6.8 gas . 11 mpg gas 16 mpg diesel over all counting fuel the gas is way cheaper to keep going and I didn't think it would be. Going to try and run them to 500 hundred thousand.
Ron - Sounds like you've got quite the fleet. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Need help 😁
I have a 2009 Superduty with the V10 and it’s been the best engine I’ve ever owned. 12mpg around town unless you idle it a lot and 15mpg on the highway on cruise control with the 4.10 rear. Oh, it’s a towing beast in the 8-9k lb trailer range.
F - Thanks for sharing your experience!
I have a 2002 V10 XLT 16' box with 662,303 miles. Replaced transmission at 543,000 and engine at 595,000. Just replaced power steering pump because the belt kept breaking. Wouldn't start in park but neutral, so replaced neutral switch.
Pauley - Sounds like it’s still going strong! Have you had any major issues?
@@8020Media only the engine and transmission going out at over 500,000 miles. Just maintenance stuff.
I just bought a 2000 f250 with 6.8L v10 with 360,000 miles & I drove it for about 10,000 miles since new (to me) in a few months & it’s been working great 👍🏽
Dang that's some high mileage! Great to hear she's running strong even at that age.
Liked & Subbed 🤙🏽 like you said maintenance is “key” she purrs like she just left the assembly line. Previous owners fixed all those little problems. From headers to spark plugs 🤙🏽
Bought my '01 used with 117K on the clock. Had the plugs replaced at the dealership, never been an issue. Over a decade later and 165K no issues with the drivetrain. I've got the heaviest truck you could get outside a dually, I get 11MPG in mostly city driving and about 13 highway only. Best tank I've ever gotten was a flat stretch of highway where I cruised at 60MPH with a tailwind, and got 16MPG. Never touched that mileage again, it's consistently been 11-13 MPG. This truck seems to have about as much torque as either of the Cummins trucks I owned in the past. Had 2 coil packs go bad, I replaced them myself. Original transmission and it shifts fine. It's powerful enough to stomp on the gas and burn rubber on dry pavement even with brand new tires. Worst thing I could say about the V10 is the gas mileage. Of course the modern choked-down diesels aren't doing much better and cost more per mile to operate.
Eric - Thanks for sharing your experience! This will be very insightful for future viewers.
I have been very happy with my 2001 V10 F250, only thing not mentioned but I believe is worthy of being known is that the V10 burns oil. I make it a point to make sure to check oil level every 3rd fill up and usually have to add about 2 quarts between a 5000-mile oil change. Also as mentioned the V10 gets terrible gas mileage, but I only use the truck to pull a travel trailer 3 times a year, and on weekends going to adnd from the hardware store.
C - Thanks for taking the time to share your experience!
I use a 2000 f250 v10 triton for work and pull a lot of weight through town and on the highway, it has around 260k miles on it but it feels like it’s only getting about 65% of its potential power. It seems some of that loss of power is in the exhaust system. Thanks for making this video I’m going to check it out later.
P - Thanks for sharing your experience! Sounds like you've got a good one. Keep us updated.
No issues with our E350 400,000 miles later. All it takes is regular maintenance. It a great engine for us. We have the 2017 version. I would get it again as a power plant that’s how reliable it’s been. How you take care of it goes a long way.
Couldn't agree more!
Well done vid.👍 I have a 2001 Excursion Limited, 6.8L V10, 2 valve. Its getting harder to find mechanics with the skill and talent to effectively work on these things due to the vehicles age. I would like to keep, maintain, and slowly restore this vehicle. Question: Do u know of any shops in the southern California area who specialize in Excursions? Thank you.
JW - Thanks for the feedback! We don't know of any reputable mechanics over there since we are based out of Texas and Colorado, but we will try to do some digging.
Michigan we have tons
I think the spark plug problem was common on a lot of ford modular engines including the 5.4 triton V8 heard it's common on the 5.4 not nearly as common on the 4.6 V8 pretty rare on the newer models.
Matt - True. Thanks for sharing this insight.
My04 v10 has 276k. @140k ford garage did the valve roller needle bearings, tapping for a minute+ at startup. Almost traded for a 6.2 2014. Decided to keep the v10 for probably a while, runs perfect, however, in can stumble just barely during idle, probably could use a timing chain. I definitely listen to it carefully at all times. Could you do a video on the 6.2? All i found was valve springs can break. 32 springs and 16 spark plugs, thankful there aren't more
E - Thanks for sharing your experience! We will add the 6.2 to our list, however, in the mean time, this article on our Chevy Trucks website may help: chevytrucks.org/ultimate-gm-62-vortec-engine-guide/
When it comes to fuel economy, you have to remember the V-10 replaced the 460 big block V-8 and not only made more power, but was more feul efficient, about 20% better. So at the time in the 90's, the feul economy of the V-10 was pretty good for a large gas engine.
Brown - Great insight added here. Thanks!
I have my beloved 2002 f250 v10 that has hauled my keystone 40ft cross country no problem over 3100miles. On the same trip my 2023 f350 broke down half way home. It was fixed by the dealer but the whole thing was a nightmare.
S - They certainly don't make them like they used to.. Sorry to hear.
Just purchased a 2005 shuttle bus that belonged to a church. 22,000 miles on it. I hope it is as good as people say it is. I’d love suggestions on what to do since the motor is 19 years old even if it is low mileage. Drove it home 5 hours and it ran great. Change oil and tranny fluid? What else? Getting 6 new tires for sure. They looked good but I had a wobble driving it home. Took it to my tire guy and an inside dual had the tread coming off.
C - We would look at the maintenance records and see what has been addressed already. From there just do standard maintenance since it sounds like it's running well.
So, Replace the PVC and hose every 50,000 miles, replace or retorque plugs every 20,000 miles, when new - replace exhaust studs and nut with stainless steel, Replace timing chain and guides every 125,000 miles, carry a spare fuel pump.
You can just replace the PCV hose and exhaust studs when they fail and cause a leak. Keeping on top of the plugs and timing chain would be responsible though.
@@8020Media True except for the ex. studs; you don't want to wait until you have to drill them out and helicoil the holes.
True.
Sir,
The 5.4L Triton V8 does not share the same timing chain set up as the 6.8L Triton V10.
The 5.4L Triton V8 utilizes the Variable Valve Timing using cam phasers with their timing chain set up.
The 2005 and up 6.8L V10 uses a variable length intake runner intake manifold to offset the loss of the VVT Cam Phaser set up.
None of the 6.8L Triton V10s ever used a VVT Cam Phaser timing system.
It is Cam Phaser wear and failure that will jack up the 5.4L V8. Poor engine maintenance will exacerbate premature VVT Cam Phaser failure. Regardless, eventually, the Cam Phasers will wear out and need to be replaced with improved Cam Phasers from Ford. Never install aftermarket Cam Phasers. They’re junk.
The 4.6L V8, 5.4L V8 and 6.8L V10 do have one thing in common with each other. Behind the timing chain cover on the driver’s side of the engine. Is a small oil return plate that sends oil to the other side of the engine. This can, over time, leak. This reduces pressure to the timing chain tensioners, the tensioners allow the timing chain to slap the tensioners thereby eventually breaking the slippers or tensioners.
So far, my ‘05 Lincoln Town Car with the two valve 4.6L V8 has 197,500 trouble free miles
My ‘06 F250XLT withe the 6.8L V10 and German ZF6 six speed manual trans has 165,000 trouble free miles. Yes, the exhaust manifold studs are junk and need to be replaced in ye old V10.
Anyway, great channel! Keep up the good work.
RustyFuryIII
Thanks for the clarification RustyFury! I think my point was mostly that all of the Triton engines suffer from timing chain related issues.
uh, not sure where you're getting your information but the 2v 5.4 and 2v V10 share the exact same timing chains, tensioner, timing covers, as well as the same piston and rod size. The valves, spring, as well as the cam followers in the heads are the same as well....I have put pistons and rods from a V10 into a 5.4.
250.000 on our 2001 V10, service every 3.000 miles, Castrol 10w30 with Wix xp or Mobile 1 oil filters, replaced alternator once, thats it.
Southern - Thanks for sharing your experience! It sounds like you have a good one!
Had an 03 xlt never missed a step 600 thousand plus. It took a front end collision to take it out. I have an 04 now king ranch same v10. 200+ O'Rileys said I needed new alternator my mechanic said alternator is fine. Cold weather came I need to jump it in the morning. Sometimes I have to hold key for 30 seconds before the starter engages. Anyone have anything they can share where I should go next. I bought new battery going in. But this v10 after 02 is a great motor. Any help appreciated
Josh - check the idle control valve and try cleaning it. This is a common cause of the engine not starting in cold weather.
I'm in Massachusetts but I take my iron beast to northern New Hampshire a lot in the Winter her we will get negative wind chill but usually our coldest days are 0-10°
And that's when this started this winter doing it. When I'm up in northern New Hampshire I've been in the bush negative 20 and she always fired up. So once this started happening I haven't gone to back country. But finally I diagnosed it. It had a tiny bad spot on the armature bar I think it's called so it was Russian roulette if it stopped in that one spot it wouldn't start. And I fiqured it out with my rubber mallet lol like you said, I was cold pissed needed to plow and it wouldn't start so I keep a mallet under my seat because I run a Fisher minute mount 2 and some times I have to set the pins the last half an inch. But she is all fixed now. Now all I need is to find a short bed since I have king ranch super crew, some DUI clipped my truck fucked up my bumper and the impact combined with the weight of my toolbox factory bed rail collapsed so now I don't look as professional for jobs as I fight this insureence. They want to total my truck over a bumper and bed rail. I won't let them if I have to I'll go flat bed not sure how it will look with an extended cab though
I have 300,000 miles on my triton V 10 in my 2001 Ford excursion three valve motor than normal maintenance in a couple blown out plugs. That thing runs like a monster and I have literally out towed in drug 7.3 down the road.
K - Nice! Thanks for sharing your experience.
We have 3 v10's. One runs great, another runs rough but we never really drive it and one is currently in the shop and they can't figure out the misfire issues. That one is a 2003 with over 200k. I think the transmission is starting to go out too so it's time to look for something else.
L - Thanks for sharing your experience. We love these engines.
At work we just retired an e350 ambulance with 560k miles on it's original v10.
K - LOVE to hear that!
I'm looking to buy a decent gas-powered older class A motorhome over the next few months. I've of course been absorbing TH-cam videos to gain as much knowledge as I can regarding engine options and the pros and cons of each. The three flavors that stand out are the Ford 460, the chevy 454 and the Ford Triton V10. The reputations so far for the Ford 460 and the Chevy 454 seem to be favorable. The V10 is much more, shall we say, spotty. Case in point, and one not mentioned in your video:
A TH-cam video from about 4 years ago described a Class A motorhome with the Ford V10 that was making a knocking noise. This engine had around 65,000 miles on it. After a couple of mis-diagnosis incidences (valve train, exhaust manifold gasket) it was found that the cylinder #7 fuel injector was malfunctioning and pouring excessive fuel into that cylinder. The tear-down revealed that this excessive fuel had been washing the oil from the rings and cylinder walls, causing the piston skirt to score both itself and the cylinder wall and the piston to slap - which was the source of the knocking sound. Several thousand dollars later the engine was rebuilt by a reputable Phoenix-area shop.
I vaguely recall another TH-camr mechanic (car wizard) strongly recommending avoiding these engines as well as the Triton V8s. While most engines have their pros, cons and gotchas, with everything I've uncovered thus far about this particular powerplant I've decided to avoid the V10 like plutonium.
Not a bad call, I wouldn't say these have been terrible engines, at least in newer form, but the 454 and 460 definitely have a few less serious problems.
It always amazes me when the subject of fuel economy comes up with gas trucks, its a simple fact that nox emissions are combated in two was EGR and rich mixtures to reduce combustion temperatures and in general piston and exhaust valve temperatures by the ability of the unburnt fuel being able to remove some temperature and making engines more durable under heavy towing and high load conditions, manufacturers program for worst case scenario as no one knows which truck will be used by whom for what at what frequency !
Hitman - Thanks for the insight.
I'm looking at two motorhomes one with the 6.8V10 and another with the 7.3V8 Godzilla I'm leaning towards the V10 what engine is better for reliability and having the RV for a long time. Thank you
J - Honestly, both of them are great engines depending on maintenance.
I have an 05 excursion 4x4 v10 and not towing it gets 15.4. About 8 or 9 towing. Currently at 229k amd never opened the engine. Been a great engine. My 05 f250 with a 5.4 has 237k and also never been opened up but gets 16.6 not towing so not much better for the problems they can have.
C - Thanks for taking the time to share your experience here! Sounds like you take great care of it.
The vans still had a 2 valve until 19. Stupid reliable. Torque plugs correctly and it isn't a issue. Compared to the 7 they say you should.
Martin - Thanks for sharing your insight!
Just wanting your opinion on Ford Excursion V10 vs. Chevy suburban 2500 8.1 MPG, TOWING CAPACITY, RIDE
T - It all kinda depends. Are you looking to purchase one or the other? How old? How many miles? There's a lot of factors that go into it.
I drove a 16 passanger bus that had a V10 it blew out 1 spark plug other than that it was a good motor a bit of a pig 🐖 but was in a heavy bus. Had 130k when i left that job to get a CDL and drive truck but i still see that bus running around town for MRDD so still going.
T - Thanks for sharing your experience!
Great video
Tow - Thanks for the feedback! Hope it helps.
I have a 2002 excursion with 252000 miles on it.....zero engine problems
Jt - Thanks for sharing your first hand experience!
How do you know my name?
It says it in your handle..
I get 5-6 miles per gal. Of course it is on a 34' RV.
E - Thanks for sharing your experience.
Mines a 1999 ford f 250 v10 and I’ve blown out some spark plugs that sounded like a gun shot
Cameron - It can be very frightening when it occurs. How’s your F250 running and how many miles?
I have a 04 E450 v10 in motorhome towing a ford Ranger I get 11 to 12 but the 28 ft motorhome is a B plus I stay under 62 to 65 mph the motorhome is lighter weight for 450 so I’m 2000 lbs loaded under max. Oil has always been changed Mobile1 once a year as I only put 2000 a year on her. It is ready to turn 50k miles.
I hardly jumps out of overdrive on highways even towing. It’s always been garaged. I would never buy new Ford with all the issues they have but in 04 they were built well same as Ranger I pull.
F - Thanks for taking the time to share your experience!
It's a good engine when properly maintained.
It's a nightmare when neglected.
D - Well said!
Should have divided this up between the 2V 6.8 and 3V 6.8. Because different he’s have different issues
The biggest things are the timing chain and the spark plug blowout issues. I tried to decipher between the variations in the video but happy for any further clarification you'd like to provide.
I'm at a loss for why they would even make a 6.8 V10 when they have a tried tested proven 7.5 V8.
I think a lot of times it's just easier to build something from the ground up rather than try to reengineer. 7.5 V8 was a good engine but was antiquated and manufacturers were moving to smaller engines for weight and fuel economy reasons.
Commonality of parts so 5.4 and 6.8 keeps costs down for mfg
The 7.5 wasn’t a powerhouse when you consider the poor fuel economy. It was so inefficient and was horrible as far as emissions. Engines are essentially air pumps. The more air that you can move the more power you can make. The Triton engines were much more efficient at moving air. Thanks to the deep skirted cross bolted blocks the 6.8 was also much smoother and quieter.
Emissions
As others mentioned, emissions. But Ford still needed a large gasoline truck engine for that specific market. They couldn't resize the modular V8's any more as the 5.4 was about as big as they could get, so they just bolted another two cylinders to the motor and had a big-enough engine to do the job
They were used until the 2022 Model year Blue Bird Vision School Bus
U - Thanks for sharing this.
Not a timing chain problem but timing chain tensioner wear.
Which leads to the timing chain jumping. I went a bit shallow on my description of the problem, but yes the tensioner is a common failure point which then leads to issues with the chain jumping.
It's only for tow not street driving
S - Interesting take, but could see that.
I have yet to hear you guys review an unreliable engine. Do you just enjoy reviewing reliable ones? (Not a bad thing if thats the case)
777 - We may have one coming out this week, stay tuned. But, curious, are there any engines you suggest we go over? We're open to suggestions.
@@8020Media 5.0 coyote , 3.6 pentastar, nissan 4.0 v6 (frontier), 3.6 chevy, ford 6.2 v8 (f250), 6.4 hemi. 6.0 chevy (2500). Keep up the good work
We actually have some of these on our list, but not all. We'll add the others! Thanks for your input! Make sure to be subscribed to stay in the loop.
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@Shenkosky so i hear. Which makes me question the review
Bro the v10 and v8 triton saved the superduty
True!
Every spark plug I've ever seen only has one thread.
X - Thanks for sharing your experience.
Having this knowledge is probably why one should buy a vehicle that is 10-20 years old.
Mister - Truely at this point!
Head gaskets?
C - What about them?
There is no such thing as a 4.8l trition brother it’s a 4.6l
Thanks - I must have jumbled my words as it's mostly referred to as the 4.6 V8.
I noticed that the RV World has a lot of the V10 Triton engines and I asked the dude about the motor and he said they're getting over 300K and I've heard others say higher and it's pretty wild I think I would still rather have a diesel in a big RV but y'all tell me that's got one💚😎👊🏻🗯💥👍🏼👍🏼
J - They are stout engines, so long as maintenance is kept up with!
@@8020Media that's what I've been hearing how to do tell me last night he's got almost 700 K on one
Do the guys saying they are getting 16 and 18 mph are bad at math.
It's not unheard of if the engine is in good shape, it's tuned properly, extremely light on the throttle, and mostly highway driving. But still not the norm or the average.
@8020Media I have a 97 f150. 16 at best running 65ish on the highway. V10 I figured 12 to 14 at best.
Butch - Thanks for sharing your experience!
Probably metric system 😂 16-18kmpg would be equivalent to 9.94-11.18mpg and that falls into the range of my 99 v10 although my cousin was getting 14mpg in his 2005.
Well mine has 435000 miles on it
J - Nice! Sounds like you take great care of it. Thanks for sharing your experience!
10 mpg.
S - Is that what you are getting?
Where were you with this video 3 years ago? My 1999 F350 was driving almost fine, it developed a random misfire. But, the real pisser happened at 143k miles the F'en timing chain on the passenger side broke. It's a truck and Fords used to be reliable, I couldn't afford the diesel so I got the gasser. So let down by Ford, big time. I really should have known better, after all, who in their right mind would put an OHC engine into a truck? That alone should have pushed me away from Ford. But I bought it anyway. At the end of your video you said these were overall pretty reliable engines. No they were not, blowing plugs, burning valve, exhaust leaks, timing chain failures, etc. And if a chain failed it does valve damage. If you truly want a reliable engine you buy the Chevy with the 6.0l engine. Those were great trucks all the way around.
Sorry Kirk! There's Chevy people and there's Ford people. Each are great.
@@8020Media honestly I felt betrayed by Ford. I grew up in a ford family. I've had Rangers, older F350 with a fantastic 460, I've even had a Taurus and a Tempo. So when i bought a truck labelled "Super Duty", that's kind of what i expected. Instead at only 143k the engine became a boat anchor. All my Chevy friends cruised right past 300k with their trucks. But in the bright side, I didn't buy a Dodge. The friends that bought Dodges didnt even make it to 100k.
Sounds like a rough experience and we totally get the frustration.
I just wanted to let you know that youre completely butchering and blending the spark plug issues
Also the 05-08 3v motors also had spark plug issues in the 3v form (btw the E series and bare chassis motors were almost always 2v up to 2019 where all F series v10's after 2005 were of the 3v design.
So thr plug issues. The early 97-02 motors had a HEAD CASTING issue. The spark plug as fine, but someone goofed up and tapered the plug holes too much meaning while the plug had like 11 threads on it, there were only about 4 threads in the head. They fixed this issue in mid 2002 and it was great. Some people would overtorque the 4 thread heads leading to weakening of the threads that would cause a blowout (if they didn't just pull the threads while tightening), others would under-tighten the plugs causing the plugs to come loose while the engine was running and rattle and rip the threads out, leading to a blowout.
Then in 2005 they came out with the 3v, like 14 threads right? But they made the plug 2 pieces pressed together and thwy had a long stem that would press into the head below the threads and help seal. This long stem would sieze, and then the threaded part would come out and leave the cores inside, or the core would twist in half. Quite a fun time, and then you had some people over tighten these and the cores would shoot out and leave the threaded sections fully intact. Then in 2008 they moved to a 1-piece spark plug and from them on the only issues were sludge buildup and the plugs being tight enough to break cheap ratchets on by the time their change interval came.
Thank you for atte ding my ted talk. I will see myself out.
Edit: so the timing chain issue.
They used plastictensiomers from somewhere around 2003 to about 2008/2009, before and after that time period they used cast iron chain tensioners. The plastic chain tensioners would crack and fail early, the cas iron tensioners would survive as long as you kept up with your oil changes for the most part.
Also plastic guides suck but many other families of engines also use plastic chain guides. Also the v10s frequently got iron tensioners even through the plastic tensioner era because they were known to be a heavier duty application. The v8's had more chain issues and also the 3v v8's got VCT systems (that sucked balls) and the v10 never got those that i'm aware of.
Thanks for all the additional info and keeping us honest!
Chevy trucks are for cry babies my 2000 f250 v10 just over a 120000 tows my equipment without any problem the best truck out there f150 250 and 350 are the best truck on the market if you looking to buy
Suppose it depends on the engine you are talking about or buying new vs old. In my opinion GM is producing the best diesel right now in the L5P, but everyone has their opinions and bias on truck brands.
4.6 not 4.8
C - ?
could u do another take in a toilet bowl for better acoustics?
It was early days back then!
Now what's the mpg if you swap one into a mustang? Lol
D - Not much better lol.
Ford worst engine ever..The whole triton line was junk. Dodge and Chevy gas trucks of the same years are worth twice what the Fords are. I was glad to see Ford scrap the Triton and come out with a push rod v8.
Chad - Out of curiosity, did you have any tritons to make this comment?
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What pushrod v8 is that?? Isn’t the 6.2 and 5.0 DOHC ??
Yes they are bad. It's a ford engine with ford reliability issues. Better to leave them for people that love a revolving repair bills.
Mine has 600k and i haven’t replaced shit
😂🤡
🤔That's hardcore bro! Must be a Big Ford hatter!😉
bro if you dont know what your talking about just say that lmao
My 1999 6.8 have 450k never had a problem since day one just the normal things like alternator battery a fuel pump that’s it. I’m sure you have never owned one.
Had one on the farm I worked on gutless gas guzzling pile of JUNK! 43liters per 100km when pulling the skid steer made lots of noise never went very fast.
Taylor - Thanks for providing your experience.