Ford Excursion Ultimate Comparison and test. V10 vs 7.3 vs 6.0 Part 1 of 4
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- This is part 1 of 4 of my series "Ford Excursion Ultimate Comparison and test. V10 vs 7.3 vs 6.0"
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Ford tech here. The problem with the 4.6, 5.4 and 6.8 launching plugs was with the original torque specs. Nobody launched a plug until they replaced the first set of factory installed plugs. Ford hid the issue and released a tsb year hike making changes to prevent a full recall. Even with only 4 threads in the head the plugs can be torqued down over triple over the revised torque specs of 23lbs ft. I have 220k on my 2000 ccsb v10 f250. 37’s w/ 4.88’s and I get 10mpg all day. Free spin kit, electric fan, BNO larger throttle body, 6.0 trans cooler, banks headers, arb lockers, ssbc v8 calipers, magnaflow cat back and a 5 star tuner. The v10 is a beast and great for long trips. My truck towed just as well as the girlfriends 7.3 excursion. Similar mpg’s towing but it unloaded the 7.3 is king
Hell yea man. The V10 is a beast, its crazy how much power and tq are instantly available when you mash your foot down. Its funny because I never had the plug issue on any of my modulars, but having worked for ford, I knew there was an issue, and to be super careful. I love this V10, and I have plans on fixing her up alot more. I may convert it to a 2011 to 2016 front end, and interior and ley the wife daily drive it, as we live in the country and hitting animals in the road is always a possibility. I always figure that its best to bring as much metal to the party as you can lol. Im curious, how well did yours respond to the headers? I know the "y" pipe on the V10 is a huge restriction.
I have a 01 f350 lariat 4X4 6.5 lift 20” wheels on 35s with the v10. I tow a heavy 25’ power boat with twin v8s all day long and have NEVER had a engine issue! Luv the v10! 👊🏼🇺🇸
What gears are you running
I own a show room mint 7.3 2001 limited with only 107k, in Maine, but never sees a winter. Absolutely love it! Can't replace it! Owned her since 2002. Great video!
Wanna sell it? LOL
@@danielsmith7935 Ah let me think 🤔., Nope.., hehehe.., Everyone asks me how it looks like it does.
I have a 2004 6.0 Ex and a 2001 7.3 Ex. Both are 4 wheel drive and are garage kept. I live in Michigan so I drive a 99 Jeep in the winter. I hate the rust belt.
Never sell it bro, they don’t make them like they used to. These new diesels can’t hold a candlelight to the old diesel kings
Owned them all & for reliability take the 6.8 V10. For power take the6.0 TD. For overall reliability and gas mileage take the 7.3 up to 600 K miles!
My 7.3 Limited has over 440k miles and it's still healthy, it's an amazing engine. Actually, the whole vehicle is in amazing condition for the miles.
One thing on the 7.3 diesel that wasn't mentioned was the ultra small transmission oil cooler Ford put in them. It was even smaller than the V10. Before 2002, the instrument cluster didn't even have a transmission temperature gauge. Many people upgraded their cooler to the 6.0 version.
I make mention of the undersized cooler on both the 7.3 and the V10 in part 4 of the series. I also make a recommendation to upgrade it to either the 6.0 cooler, or a large aftermarket one. The info is also in the part 4 comments under recommendations.
There's a separate cooler and then another trans cooler built into the radiator
I own a 2001 Limited V10, 6.8L. I bought mine with a SUPER CLEAN engine. Been an awsome vehicle, love it!!!
7.3 will tow better but 10 a great motor for all around, if your not towing all the time, and you are storing for the winters the 10 works better. The 2005 2v 10 had the good heads known to go over 700k original with regular maintenance which most let slide. Same transmission V10 or 7.3 Excursion. Major complaint with 10 tho gas mileage she is a guzzler.
What’s the mpg?
I have a 2003 v10 excursion. I think the spark plug issue was fixed in 2003 and it was a 2v, the 3v was introduced in 2004 I believe. Just like you said, if you can handle to mpg its an irreplaceable truck. Nothing feels stronger, safer, or more comfortable for the family. We take out the 2nd row buckets and set up a bed on road trips, 3rd row stays in for passengers and cargo area always handles our bags, suitcases or anything else. The fact that it's old and not sold anymore makes it cool to drive. Surprisingly easy to drive and park too because it has huge windows. At 122k miles I don't think I'll ever get rid of it.
yeah on my 6.0 I deleted my egr, straight piped turbo back, arp head studs, tuned with a 30hp tow tune over stock, everything was great! for 10k kms... then oil cooler screen blew and sent metal shavings to 5/8 injectors and took out my hpop and ipr, 8 grand later ontop of the 10 grand id already put into it "bulletproofing" its been an expensive learning experience lol very expensive rigs to maintain and keep running, cheers from ontario CANADA
I am an owner of a 4x4 2002 Excursion with the 2V, mine has about 185,000 miles and I actually average about 14-15.5 in warm weather at highway speeds. If you are experiencing lower MPG than 12.5-14 you may want to use some fuel system cleaner and do a tune-up with some fresh plugs, serp belt, and coil packs and you should be running great. Amazing truck.
Also check the bank 1 sensor 1 o2 sensor. That made a huge difference when I changed mine 👍
Great Vid! Yup Excursion has a following. Family bus 🚌!!
I have a 6.0 Eddie Bower 6” lift on 35’s, bullet proofed.
Spent about 10k 6yrs ago parts & labor. head studs, gaskets, upgraded exhaust down pipes, upgraded egr cooler, mechanical fan upgrade, external oil cooler frm bullet proof diesel. SCT live wire tuned. I love it.
Sounds like a jet plane pulls like a freight train!
I'm on my 3rd Excursion & had the 6.0 diesel but the 6.8 V10 has 305,000 miles & engine/tran are original never repaired! My 7.3 had no issues but the 6.0 just kept costing me.
What’s the mpg for your 6.8 engine ?
My 6.8 V10 with 4x4 gets 10.4 mpg avg & 12.8 hwy. Have virgin motor & 4R100 with 335 K miles
Brother you rock, I have had 12 of them. Now I have a 2005 Big Dog Ultra Excursion!
7.3L owner here and I agree with you on everything you said. I have one of the most upgraded 7.3's you will find. I found every failure or weak point in them and upgraded it, even to the extent of bulletproofing my transmission. I prefer the 7.3 but now that I know more I would have no qualms about owning the 6.0. You can even get crazy HP out of the 6.8 if you are willing to drop the cash. All around, the King of SUV's.
The 6.0 is a great engine. Back in the day when i had my 05 f350, i studded it twice, and it still managed to pop the head gaskets. What ended up working for me was the o-ringed heads. I also did 175/30 injectors, a stage 2,5 turbo, regulated return, fully built trans, custom intake manifold, etc. The thing was stupid fast and fun to drive. I plan on pretty heavily modding the 7.3 excursion in these videos. Id love some of your input as to what combos of parts you liked.
I've had nothing but problems with my 7.3. Was never used hard blown trans needed fully rebuilt at 100k then at about 103k blew 2 rods thru the block. Scrap. BTW it was a 01
@@motofarmmx2430 my 02 7.3 has 319000 on the clock everything is still original, regular oil changes @ 3500 miles. Delo 400 and a Ford part # 1995 filter. Things that have been rebuilt rear end and transmission zf6. great truck pull 20" goose neck stock trailer with it. Wouldn't trade it for a new Dodge!😁
@@johnnyblade3335 I did exactly that and have had 16 trouble free years so far. The dodge with the cummins is superior in every way.
@@motofarmmx2430 except is still a junk dodge.
I have the 5.4l and it’ll pull a house down. Reliable, 500k plus miles, not a drag truck by anymeans. Slow and steady, best mileage of them all. 16-19 regular.
We also have the 2001 7.3 excursion. Replace the transmission at about 260,000 mi. Original glow plugs replaced at 278,000 mi. Regular oil changes. Right at 300,000 still drives like a clock in 2023.
I've watched your videos several times now and really appreciate the info. You really know your stuff. I recently bought a V10 2wd for towing my travel trailer. My wife likes it so much it's become her daily driver.
Thanks man, i appreciate the kind words. Im actually going to pick up an 04 v10 this coming week. Im not gonna lie. I like the 7.3, but LOVE the v10.
@@BrotherhoodOfTorque nice! I’m looking at a 2010 v10 king ranch with 140,000 miles. I pull a 32’ travel trailer that weighs around 9000# loaded. I have my 2002 7.3 that I bought new in 02 with 340,000 miles. I live in SoCal with some pretty steep grades. How’s the comparison of the V10 vs 7.3 towing? I don’t want a def diesel at all but want something with more modern creature comforts. Thanks
310k on my V10 Excursion. Get 5 MPG when towing the travel trailer.
You know these fords real well. Thanks for this ❤
Oh - and we LOVE our Excursion (and our other 5 Fords too) Nothing better than Ford!
Hi my 7.3 in my 2000 excursion always drains my batteries. For 12 years. I’m hoping someday to find someone to figure it out ha. Also does anyone know of good tuber to get better fuel mileage and to calibrate mph on my 20” rims ???? Thanks
Good Tuner that was thanks brothers
Thank you for the education about these rigs. They are really cool vehicles. Now I want one!
Million dollars for gas if you want to go on a trip
Let me ruin the surprise... The 7.3 is the king Period.
The outcome may suprise you
@@BrotherhoodOfTorque ive owner them all. No surprise here.
Surprised to hear someone who likes the 5.4 Triton. I'll never have another Triton anything. Had one in an Expedition and it was nothing but problems. Rockin out in a 03 6.0 LTD Excursion these days and LOVE it. Was EGR Deleted and "bulletproofed" in 2015. I can hook anything to it and it doesn't ever break a sweat, the harder you make it work the more it loves it. Straight north of ye in the Canadian Rockies so very similar usage environment. One of the downsides I never see mentioned in video's for Excursions is how they are a BIG target for thieves. Over the last 5 years I've had at least 3 attempts on mine. It's equipped with a transponder system and also a positive air shutoff so its never moved and inch but its $300+ worth of lock and cylinder parts each time they get smashed. The weakest part of the 7.3 vs the 6.0 is certainly the transmission, I've driven a few and I always felt like I needed one more gear. The transmission on the 6.0 feels much stronger and geared better.
The 5.4 Triton is a good engine most days. Have a few of them 2v and 3v I tend to get them cheap because people dont want to spend the money to repair. Maintenance seems to be a huge part of their issues most are pretty dirty inside and why chains and tensioner issues arise.
The 2 valves with the Pi heads were great engines, good torque and reliable. Also the rare 4 valve is great as well, I have one in my 04 Nav. The 3 valve is a money pit
I had to chuckle at 3:40 when he said, "other than the fact that your engine is going to blow your spark plugs out, it's generally a good engine". Been there, done that. About to hit 300K.
ours is a 2003 Limited with 6.0L - ours has been fine so far! My husband says we will need to get it bullet-proofed!
Just fyi, Ford discontinued the V10 in 2019. My work truck is a 16 F450 long wheel base with the v10 2wd with 4:10 gears. Ive got a 18 foot insulated aluminum hackney body on it which stands about 4 feet above the cab which doesn't help me at interstate speeds, however i will say i am NOT a Ford guy what so ever but im generally between 13k-16k lbs and live in the mountains of northern New England and it does a pretty good job...i cruise 80 at 3k and for the most part it'll hang on the hills in high gear. Depending on how long and steep the hill it might drop 1 gear but it'll never fell below 75 mph on any hill with any weight... but im getting to the point where we're gonna be trading it in and i wanted to see some comparison on the new 7.3 gas vs what ive got. If they still manufactured the v10 and could get one with a standard trans that's what id go with but 🤷🏻♂️ none of the manufacturers offer standard trans anymore 🤬
The V-10 is a work horse and insanely reliable. I hope the new 7.3 has those same characteristics
@@BrownBomber92181 I've just seen, in other instances where they've made discontinued somthing and replaced it with rubbish...i agree. Im hoping for the same i guess. I really don't think it'll have the torque that mine does. Regardless what it says on paper but, we'll see..i almost would rather convert the v10 truck over to a Spicer 7 speed. It's not that big or expensive of a job really. Id get another 200k out of it for sure.
@@Punk-Jw my friend at work has a F-350 with the new 7.3 and 4.10's out back, and it definitely feels like it has more torque than the V-10, mainly because it comes on so early and the curve is incredibly flat.
9:30 you summed up my excursion. Great video, you put out a lot of great info. New subscriber and looking forward to finishing this series!
Got an o1 f2shity 7.tree 700k all original Michigan truck works construction and plowed everyday of it's life. Still stroking and purrs like a kitten...13 letter shitspreader....best diesel ever made
Great video. My f350 ,60. 125000 bullet proof egr. Never any ishoes. Great truck. Thanks
My excursion is my 1st powerstroke 2005 6.0 bulletproofed...I absolutely love it interior is a little outdated for 2024 but that's makes it even more bad ass these things are classics and I love rare sh*&
We just bought a 7.3 and we love it.
I don’t understand why people piss and moan about cold start issues when the mf Comes Equipped With a Built-In Block Heater!!!!
Love your channel and your Passion ☺️
Very nice video. Very informative as I would have done the same . But in the diesels- I couldn’t stress enough on the oil changes and the fuel filter changes. I changed oil and fuel filters EVERY 5,000 MILES on my 6.0 in my super duty! The injectors on these two diesels not only run off of high pressure oil to fire, they also need high fuel pressure to fire! Don’t be like me and try to put off oil changes. EVERY 5,000! I recommend Ford 5w40 full synthetic. Reason for fuel filters is they need clean fuel. Oil change intervals. Do it. I let mine go to 9,000 miles because, hey, I was a little bribe at the time and I buy only Motorcraft when I can or WIX. When I pushed the oil change, well, had an injector stick open. Put raw fuel on top of piston and like the EGR cooler, you can’t compress a liquid, so in turn it didn’t completely pop the head gasket until I got on interstate and put my foot in it. I had a stand alone boost fooled (made the veins stay wider and opened longer, must have performance inhancing part from BD Diesl.) one injector cost me a little over $500.00. I do almost all of my own work as to I was a tech for 11 years, and I guess I still am. But it did case it to lift the head.
Also, the heads and block have a .002 MAX standard that they have to be in this variance to be calledn”good” cores. Anything more than that, toss them because you can’t machine the heads or deck the block any more than .002. They offer a set of aftermarket heads that are awesome and way cheaper than Ford. They have more stout injector bosses, and come with injector cups pressed in. Injector cups and commandants stretched to injectors, like the nipple seals (hah hah) tend to wear out too causing hard starts. Change as needed especially with injector changes, but uses a special tool, you can buy it almost anywhere.
I’m still learning on the v10s, and might have missed the oil consumption problem. I have found, as I own an excursion with a 2 valve v10, that freer exhaust helps with this. They take a low viscosity oil, 5w20, and I’m told you have to use this for right machining tolerances. I think there had to be something else. The higher heat levels, in my mind will cause the oil to atomise in the crankcase air and evacuate, hence the PVV valve and line have a massive amount of oil in the line leading to intake, then burned off. Change plugs every 80,000 miles and bump the torque up from 15 to 25 +/- to your comfort zone and quality of torque wrench used. I’d trust a $400 torque wrench more than I would that $30 everyone buys, like me. So I’m wondering if they make a baffle kit for this problem. But free flowing exhaust , the v10 LOVES it. Mine runs like a totally different truck, and the fuel mileage jumped way up, I’m assuming 4 to 5 miles to gallon, if not more. I can’t prove it as to I didn’t get numbers before doing improvements. I also did the cheap cold air intake also. It loves also. Trust me. But I love this vehicle. Love the v10, it is a torque monster! The 6.0l diesel, one of the best in my. Oil after Bulletproofed and tuned. Still have to be careful though. Fluid changes. That goes for the coolant too!
The "Dreaded" 6.0 NNOOO BUENO!! I own a 2001 V10 Limited.. I LOVE IT!!
99 f350 6.8 w/ 311,000 still runs smooth; changed oil every 3K with synthetic.
I have gone through an alternator and two fuel pumps. Rebuilt the transmission. Engine just keeps going.
@@hansmak7321 Water pump, spark plugs, heater core, alternator
Awsome vid! Love Excursions...
Thank you for this
I like my 5.4 Triton. Have had V10 and 7.3 as well and they were problems. 5.4 does all I need it to which is transport people. I have a Cummins truck for hauling.
Do u know if the 7.3L Diesel and the 6.8L V10 Excursions use the same stock Ford radiator? It appears as the its the same part number but im having a heckbof a time confirming it. Thank you
Love my v10s I have 3 of them animals
Also I have a 5.4, its actually insanely realiable and powerfull pull a 8000 pound trailer and towing a flatbed with a 1500 on the back it pulls nice
That’s all? 😂 i’ll keep my6.0 and pull twice as much
@@mattdickey9663 it was 13000 pounds...... an 8000 pound trailer with a 5000 pound truck at least on it In tbe middle of a blizzard, and yes I'd hope.your 6.0 is more powerful, just can you keep you headgaskets?
Love my 7.3. The only issues i have is the cold weather. Its hard to keep the batteries happy and start properly in very cold winter months
Install a battery tender and install a socket in the bumper so that you can plug it in without opening the hood. NOCO makes a dual plug setup that i install and connect the block heater and tender to. No more issues after that
I'm from Utah and worked at a Ford dealer when they were still being made. And if I'm honest, I didn't know they put the 5.4 in them, probably for the same reason lol
The Excursion is and always will be my dream car. Unfortunately they’re getting harder to find 🤧🤧 I want a V10 4WD. I would expect the 7.3 to be a unicorn because it has the good ol 90s technology in a Modern vehicle. Best of both worlds... But I can hardly find a decent v10 here in South Carolina
Thanks for the comment bud. The V10 is a solid choice for the excursion. The excursion itself is an absolute beast. Nothing comes close to em. I love the v10, always have. They are unapologetic, simple, and put down their power happily. A v10 climbing a hill with the right exhaust is one of my favorite sounds in the world. Many of the aftermarket parts that are made for the other modular engines will fit the V10 too. Keep an eye on my channel. I will have some cool V10 content coming up. My buddy and I are brainstroming lol. If you cant find a nice one locally, try looking in california, or arizona. Theyll have no rust, rot, and alot of folks are trying to get rid of em in california because of gas prices. Heck, even here in western colorado, they are common and rust free too. May be worth a look.
@@BrotherhoodOfTorque I definitely subscribed. I hope to see plenty of your content in the future !
I own V10 4WD Excursion with only 90k miles in Virginia.
@@Alexanderbuilds2001 Me too.
There is a 2000 v10 4wd down the rd from me 9500 obo
Quit playin with people. The 6.0 takes 10k to be a truck that people can drive without constant worry. When buying an older suv 10k to make it reliable isn't an option.
No playing here. Just useful info from someone who has been in the industry. 10 years ago, id agree with you. The 6.0 used to be quite cost prohibitive to own and maintain. Since then there have been quite a few changes in the 6.0 market itself when it comes to longevity and repair. Costs to overhaul and stud these engines has come wayyy down. If someone is being quoted 10k to stud their 6.0, they need to get a second or third opinion because that is extremely high. The shops and people I know who work on these trucks for a living normally quote around 5k to do a full studding job, and around 7k if you are going with o-ringed heads. The best bet would be to find one that was already studded, or buy one thats on good shape and enjoy it until it needs to be studded. You can pay now, or pay later. This series was made to show folks the differences between the powertrains. If someone is concerned about cost of repair or ownership, the gas engines are an option. Buying a 6.0.EX for 15 and spending 5 to stud it, or buying one for 20 thats already been studded is still cheaper in the long run than buying a new diesel truck all said and done. The excursion isnt just an "older SUV". If someone wants a cheap SUV, they can buy an old suburban. Excursions are extremely unique, and have a very dedicated following of people who are willing to do what it takes to keep them running well, and on the road.
egr delete and head studs help 6.0 greatly and makes it a great engine
V10. Cool motor, ok for towing.
7.3. Bullet proof.
6.0. Junk Paperweight
6.4. Really junk paperweight.
Perfect explanation. Although the excursion never had the 6.4 but I hear ya. I'm sure you meant 5.4
man I wish ford would make the excursion come back
Great video...lots of great info!
Wow. You answered so many question I didn’t know I needed to ask👍. If buying a 6.0 Would you recommend buying a lower mile “bulletproof” or finding a higher mileage stock to build from the ground up? Should I spend more on the initial investment, or should I find a deal and put more into it... or should I just get a v10?
Depends on what you are using it for. I now have a 6.0 f350 thats studded, etc and its over 260k on it.
We have a 2006 F350 with a 6.0.. have replaced a lot of the issues in there at the cost of about $7,000. But the truck runs flawlessly now, I would say it was worth it. It has over 300,000 miles on it and we would not hesitate at all to take it on a long distance trip. Very smooth. So if you could put some money into it maybe do so.
The Eddie Bauer was one level lower than the Limited, the lowest was the XL then the XLT them the Eddie Bauer then then the Limited which had all the options that you had to ask for on the Eddie Bauer level.
Great comparison video. 👍
Hi I own a 2001 5.4L ford excursion its great I tow cars or truck with it its alot of power its a beast Highway I get 14.9 to the gallon it got new 5.4 triton motor its got 60k milles on it with out towing it gets 16.3 to the gallon
I have 2000 v10 4x4 excursion and v10 Ram 2500 4x4 the excursion gets better gas but the Ram gets wayyyy better torque specially down loan Al the at up to 90mpg can feel torque in the ram. In the excursion it gets up
To 90mpg real smooth and good but touque isn’t there can’t feel it in your foot but it just GOES irregardless love them both for towing. I haul mobile homes and use these for tool trucks they are great
Lov the info ..
I own a 6.8 2001 just lov it
What’s the mpg ?
HEY Great video! THANK YOU. ...don't forget about the 5.4 Triton's oil pump & timing chain issue.😳. Great motor but the timing chain guides, camphasers, tentioners, etc will need replaced for a hefty $2500- $3200 unless done by the owner. Also it needs the high volume oil pump preferably from Melling.👍🏾
Thank you for the comment. Luckily for excursion owners, the 5.4 that came in the excursion was the older, significantly more reliable 2V version that didnt use cam phasers, and was much less likely to have timing chain and chain tensioner issues.
Great job. Looking at the v10 version. Wanted the 6.0 but there super expensive in my area
Thanks for the great info! I’m currently looking into buying an 04 and heard many times on different forums to replace the head studs. what would be a rough ball park estimate to get new head studs installed?
8.1 suburban is amazing
$2k-$3k
Dude. Dont waste your money... Buy a 7.3
@@ALT_RIGHT a bulletproofed 6.0 can be very reliable and it's got more power and torque as well as a much tougher and efficient transmission.
Keep that in mind, you'll have to spend money either way because a 7.3 may need a transmission rebuilt and those aren't cheap either.
@@MrLuisinho90 of course it gas more power it has a turbo 3x the size of the 7.3 and half the head bolts all 1/3 shorter. 4r100 built with billet is a very tough dependable and CHEAP trans to rebuild. I'm just not big on Money Pits.$2500 for a rebuild is just shy of free
OK I actually have a unicorn, 2004 single cab long bed F350 v10 Dooley with a standard transmission 430 gears I bought it from my friend that ordered it special ordered it,has roll up windows manual locks, he gave me the window sticker with it it said it has Camper package plow package and he ordered it will block heater believe it or not, I didn’t know that was a thing on a gas motor-he didn’t drive it much, it has 32,000 miles on it.
now that is a truck
Well unlike the 7.3 and 6.0 diesel V8s the 6.8 V10 has no power adder of any kind so I'm wondering how much more weight towing and horsepower can be found with adding twin turbos or 3.0 Whipple Supercharger?
20:21 that truck sounds like it knows how to have a good time
7.3 owner here, actually, the 7.3 was not replaced for emissions. since it makes no power relative to other engines, it’s pretty clean-running. it actually got replaced because it didn’t meet noise compliance! :(
Its a very good engine, which is why folks still love it. I was under the impression that emissions, throttle response, power, and noise/ vibration/ hardness (like you said) were all reasons as to why it was phased out.
@@BrotherhoodOfTorque yeah. i love my engine but it suffers typical diesel things. here in gunnison, i can’t drive it because the town is too small to let it warm up-it’s still slow and clattery and misfires until it warms up. but if i’m taking it to denver or anywhere where it can get up to temp, it’s torquey, does well at altitude, and gets 21mpg! i just wish it wasn’t so loud cuz after a road trip in it my ears are ringing!
Nice man, im in montrose, so not far from gunnison at all. I know how that goes though, you can go from one end of the town to the other in 5 mins.
@@BrotherhoodOfTorque ah gotcha. i’m actually gonna be headed up to orchard city on thursday for an interview and i’m not lookin forward to taking 92 cus the road closure haha
I got a V10 excursion I won't ever switch there a beast an tuff keep oil init an run good fuel an there good to go just hate the speed sensor problems here an there haha
So, I've been looking at 7.3s for quite a while and basically ignoring newer diesels due to all the online horror stories... But this is the second video I've seen now with a diesel tech saying good things about the 6.0, and ya got me thinkin...
I HATE automatics, they've almost always been an issue for me and I drive a semi so I'm partial to rowing my own, that said, after what you say about the 5spd in the 6.0 it sounds like that'd be a better long term reliability option.
In considering an Excursion budget, thinking it'd be a 7.3 I presumed there'd be a trans rebuild within the 1st year of buying one, but maybe after what you say with a 5spd/6.0 that won't be such a concern, which for me means the trans rebuild budget can be spent on the O-ring, ARP head gasket job on the 6.0 instead, giving me a more powerful truck without sacrificing reliability so much? And that'd also negate needing to upgrade the 7.3 to make 6.0 power, reliably?
(I'm an old school hot rodder btw, I know old FE or Pontiac engines a lot more than I do diesels. In an Excursion I'd be looking to build and "overlander" style rig I can take loaaded up for a weekend or a month in the mountains in BC Canada, but it would mostly see daily use to work. If that helps your confirming my assumptions above)
Good informative video, thanks!!
7.3 has my birthdate yr so God likes that engine just saying, divine numbers.
You forgot to mention that they have a 44 gallon fuel tank. I ran premium in mine and it took $120.00 to fill up.
I decided not to mention it as all of the excursions had the same size tank, regardless of the fuel, year, or options.
@@BrotherhoodOfTorque I know that all of them have the same size tank. That would have been a piece of information for those who don't know much about these vehicles. Some people do consider how much they spend on fuel.
In CA I paid $180 to fill my tank last week
@@travis1118 in the Netherlands is would cost just over 300 US dollar 🥴
@@travis1118 I took it up highway 1 big sure ...7 bucks and gallon next time I will for sure bring fuel in with me
Hey thank you for the video i bought my first ford 1999 ford f 350 4x4 with the v10 i wondered how long i can make that engine last vs 7.3
300k easy. I see them all the time
I love the 6.0!
I love the 6.0 too! Even though I have had to put a lot of money into repairs I still love it! The sound is incredible!
First off, you should always warm up an engine wether it’s gas, diesel, or whatever it runs on.
Well aware of this, but diesel engines with HEUI injection systems are much more sensitive to colder temps and not being warmed up than gasoline engines.
Old wise tell for when carbureted cars where more relevant, though fuel injection has been around since the 50's you did not really see anything fuel injected until the 90s.
That being said years of passed on knowledge has kept this alive even until 1 week ago when you mentioned this, still will hold true for your carbureted cars but it has already been proven that fuel injection needs no such thing.
But you probably believe synthetic oil ruins gaskets still and 3k oil changes are still cost effective maintenance....
I own a 7.3. I've never warmed it up unless my lady is crying about the cold and it's negative outside. That an old wife's tale. Period. Key on, let the plugs warm if it cold out, drive easy for the first 2 minutes. Saves fuel, AND unnecessary wear.
Summer time, like now? I start it like a gasser.
288+k miles on factory injectors. No problems what so ever. None. Cold starts in below zero instantly, after one glow plug cycle. Everytime.
Warming it up for 15 minutes every day causes increased wear and wasted fuel..
Those are the facts, period.
From - a ford diesel tech.
If your having problems with heui and cold weather, you haven't been keep up on your truck.
Also facts. I have both 7.3 and 6.0, both start regardless of cold weather drops. Both start in negative temps, no problem. No long cranks, no hard starts. Fire up and go. 288+ k on the 7.3, 230+k on the 6.0. 6.0 has had all the injectors replaced once.
@@georgesrisomsak9650 im with you on that. I own 2 7.3's, a 6.0, and a 6.7. The 6.7 could care less what temp is it outside as far as starting and leaving, but when its -1 out, the 6.0 likes to clatter a bit, but she will still drive as long as your not hammering on it right out of the gate. The basic operation of the heui system allows it to be directly affected by the viscosity and cleanliness of the oil which is why some folks experience issues when its dang cold out. My 7.3 which ironicially has the most miles, could care less what temp it is. All my diesels get new glow plugs every 30k whether they need em or not. My older 7.3 just hit 300k and runs like the day it came off the floor.
subscribed just because of the name of the channel...we'll see...next 09:03 7.3L
I have a 2000 V10 with spongy brake pedal, no leaks any idea what i need to replace?
I use to work a 5.4 f250 like a diesel, but I got my v10 excursion and except for my new to me 250 with a 5.4 that's going to be a plow truck and I won't go back for hauling. That v10 is just a brute for a 21 year old engine.
25:02 idont understand pleas explain
Probably about $50,000 in excursions right there.
Theres a 2002 7.3 that wasnt pictured either lol. I kinda like these things.
nothing helps like going from 5speed to 10speed trans nothing just like semi & they still make 7.3 engine, so if modern trans can fit older 7.3 engine bolt on then that is the deciding factor on what excursion to get, body, mileage & can it bolt 10 speed on easy.
The 7.3 power stroke is no longer produced. The 7.3 available now is a v8 gas engine.
25:45 So I change the oil on time, I do not need any additives؟؟
diesels like turbos & gas likes superchargers & bc these hve been around 25yrs ish or so there r working good turbos & superchargers to b had even used.
Compare the 5.4 to? 5.4 gang?small block in very massive truck?
Didn’t the old suburban 2500s have the option for mounting the duramax? I thought Chevy made a diesel version, but I could be mistaken
They put the 6.5 in them I believe
You can special order them with a duramax Chevy told me four to six months to get it we went with a used excursion bought it from an older couple very clean they only really drove it to the river saved a ton of money and love the beast 👍
They had the 6.5 TD which was a Detroit Diesel in the late 90s but those are a joke in modern diesel performance! We had a 6.2 Detroit in our Suburban growing up it was good for rolling coal that's about it
I want to swap to a 6.7 Diesel from 2011 and up Super Duty. That would be great
what type of grille is on your 2005 ex? Is it from an f250?
Just out of curiosity, I have a 2000 Excursion V10 with 147k. When should I get my spark plugs changed out. No issues with them, but with everyone talking about these spark plugs shooting out of the engine blocks, I’m terrified for any mechanic to touch them, since I’ve never had an issue with it.
I do em every 50k, someone who knows what they are doing will have no issues changing them.
Ive always liked these vehicles . I have a large family in vegas. we have only owned a suburban for our family, but as of lately, I've been considering going deisal specifically excursion. im alos gettomg ready to look at a duramax suburban this week What do you recommend for me with a large family of 10 and we need 4x4 because we do offroading alot
The 7.3 diesel excursions are your best bet as far as a diesel excursion is concerned, but those duramax suburbans are really nice machines. What year is the suburban and what duramax is in it?
Other than ripping all the threads out of the head, They're fine. Well maybe breaking the brilliant multi-piece spark plug and having to extract the stuck piece.....yup, fine.
The excursion through its entire run (2000-2005) never had the multi-piece spark plug issue. The multi piece plugs were used on the 3v modular engines, and the V10 thay was used in the excursions was the 2v design. The popping out issue however did occur.
@@BrotherhoodOfTorque I'm a big Ford fan. I was just chuckling at your statement, bro.
That is a 3 valve issue and not a big one if you buy the insert tool. Got a used once tool for 100 bucks on eBay and loving it
What among the 4 engine variants has the most fuel economy
After driving em all for many miles, ill have to say the 7.3 does.
How many miles do you have on your v10?
Amazing truck I have a 2000 ford excursion v10 but unfortunately my transmission isa toast trying to get aa beefed up tranny built with a bigger tranny cooler any suggestions will be appreciated, need to rework most of the under like suspension, hubs, joints, etc , trying to get good wheels and tires aswell I love the truck probably will end up spending nice $$$$$ on it 😢😢
A trans cooler from a 6.0 diesel is more than big enough to do the job. They are cheap and plentiful as well. If you have any questions, feel free to check out my shops page, and give me a hollar. Facebook.com/mericamotorworks
"common sense" gun laws should actually WORK. What gun control law proposed in the last 10 years would have actually prevented a shooting. Numerous red flag laws failed to prevent shootings
Which diesel would you use during the apocalypse?
Well... the old school chevy 6.2, and ford 6.9 are super basic engines and work quite well despite not having a PCM or engine computer. The cummins 12v is very simple as well. The older diesels including the 7.3 are quite tolerant of subpar quality fuel, and many times will run on used oil, and other lubricants if they are properly filtered. Most older diesels are pretty tolerant and simple to work on.
awesome
Is this Andy O'Connor
I can not recommend, under any circumstances, the three valve 5.4 engine.
I am going to buy an F250 To drive 2 times a month Would I be OK with a 6.0 or A 7.3 or should I go with AV10
How long of a drive?
My f250 stupid duty gets 15mpg all day long driving it right
Watch Out. The 6.0L Had Loads Of Engine Problems
Its kind of a tossup as i discuss in the later videos in the series. The 6.0 is an ok engine in stock form with a great trans behind it, and the 7.3 is a great engine with an ok trans in stock form. Either combo can be very reliable if you put some love into it.
Sounds to me that they all have high dollar failure problems. Transmissions are expensive. Head gasket problems and exhaust manifold problems are high dollar repairs. I like the 7.3 ltr diesel and had a 1994 F250 with the 7.3 ltr, but is was weak on power. The only one weaker is my 6.2 ltr diesel in my 1983 GMC that I have right now. It has the manual transmission as did my 1994 F250 with the 7.3 ltr.. BTW, I lost a tug a war with a squirrel with my 6.2 ltr detroit diesel, but it got 25 mpg doing it and has never had a problem...
All vehicles will experience high dollar failures at one time or another. A fully built 4R100 which came behind the 7.3 usually runs in the neighborhood of 4-5 grand, and an economy one will run 2-3k. Once you do that you are golden. The excursions were beasts. No other SUV's could touch them, even the 8.1 suburbans. Diesel Excursions can seat 8 and still pull over 11k, all the while doing it efficiently. The blue 02 in the video got a cheapo jasper trans at 155k and i stuck an injector and a hpop in it when I got it, but those are the only major repairs its ever had and its sitting at 305k now.
@@BrotherhoodOfTorque I am currently looking at a 7.3 ltr with 375,000 miles on it. It is a pick up with the manual tranny and clutch package has all been changed out even the rear main seal. What do you think about those kind of miles???
@@ababbit7461 as.long as there isnt a ton of blowby, id buy it in a sec.
@@BrotherhoodOfTorque I will check the blow by. Thank you.
this thing clearly is so long it needs a raised roof add front to back making moving around inside easier even if not God 5-7 in ht.
7.3 400,000 + miles rebuilt injectors still going strong, no oil leak in above freezing but below freezing it is anyone else find this and what is going on?
Alot of the time that can happen. Colder temps can cause seals to shrink and cause leaks. When they warm up, the leak stops. Makes it not fun to track em down
@@BrotherhoodOfTorque good job comparing them I will probably keep mine for ever I hope, I saw someone in your comments said they have 12 of them 👍😊
Rest of fixes after market fab shops will hve to work out w/aftermarket suppliers bc they r all worn out NOW.
20:50 I've seen a few cat equipped 7.3s, what you've heard is true.
The only times ive seen em was on manual trans equipped trucks made for california, but they are in other states too from what I understand.
@@BrotherhoodOfTorque My buddy's '97-ish F-250 auto 4x4 from Oregon has one, I was shocked. My '02 California Excursion doesn't, even more shocking. I've heard that the 7.3 Excursions never got them, but don't know for sure. From what I've read there appears to be no logical reasoning behind which trucks got them or not, almost like a lottery, but that's hard to believe.