Sony HD CRT TV - Best TV for Gaming on Retro Mini Classic Consoles? KD-34XBR960 Trinitron WEGA HDTV
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I picked up this gem of a CRT TV for FREE on Facebook Marketplace! I think it may be the very best TV for gaming on the mini retro consoles like the NES and SNES Classic, PlayStation Classic and all the upcoming ones like the Genesis Mini.
You get the legit CRT feel, HD support and HDMI input so the mini systems can function and you can use the menus, and on this set in particular, the screen and sound are jaw droppingly good. My camera is 4K but it still doesn't do the experience justice.
If you are interested in getting one of these, get out there and find one now while they are still around.
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I need to grab one of these. I remember a friend telling me to get one with a hdmi port
Whoa Reggie watched my video! 😮 if you really want one, watch Facebook marketplace and search for “Sony CRT”
, “Trinitron” or just “CRT”. They pop up every now and then 👍
Men we watch the same videos XD i see you all the time i have a sony trinitron kv30hs420 240p up to 720p&1080i looks great on this type of tvs
So bluray movies play the wii, vita tv, dvds movies netflix snes&genesis component cables etc works awesome
Reggie? What you doing here? 😂
There is one of these for free on marketplace. Thinking of getting it.
Ooh try a slim or ultra slim they have two hdmi ports and also make sure to study the service manuals of the sets should you have a pin cushion distortion issue
I like that it has multiple s- video ports and multiple component. My Sony CRT only has 1 of each. I'm officially on the hunt for one of these. Great video, thanks!
This tv got me sold. Im 100% getting this tv. This tv fits all of my needs. The thing is ill have to get a bigger desk for my room. And ill have to find a smaller version.
Watching this feel like going back to the future.
AAYYYEEE
This is the whole reason I kept my Dad's Philips 30" CRT HDtv beast he bought back in 2006 @ Circuit City. Still looks and sounds good. Good video 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Nice find! Also just picked up a KD-34XBR970 from Facebook and started on my CRT gaming. The 970 does not have the Super Fine Pitch like your 960. Hope to find one pop up in my area in the future.
What a great TV! Amazing amount of inputs. Great find Sean 👍
I'm getting mine today, a samsung CRT with HDMI, so excited!
How you like it so far?
i have a similar model, XS955 but the 30 inch model. I bought it used in 2010 when i was in high school living with my parents. Will never forget my dad being kind of upset with his son bringing home an "outdated" TV into the home, lol. Ive officially owned the TV longer than the original owner by a couple years at this point and i still love it as much as i did when i was 18. The PS2 emulator "PC2SX" at some point came out with a universal plugin to "force" widescreen without stretching the image, and ive been having a blast playing the Armored Core and Ace Combat series all over again in glorious 16:9 with some mild upscaling help with the emulator outputting 1080i. Great video and thanks for sharing your story with your 960
No other TV manufacturer could ever beat a Sony Trinitron XBR CRT TV period Sony was always the undisputed king of CRT TVs excellent choice buddy 👍
I use mine to hook up all my original consoles to because it has enough ports to fit everything without adapters. It also supports displaying two inputs on the screen at the same time. When friends kids come over to play, one can play NES on the left and the other can play SEGA on the right. The split screen is limited to dual 480p or 720p/480p though. To enable dual screen you need the remote which can be found online for $5.
Excellent find! I don't have a Sony (I did, but as I was carrying the 200 pounder I had a slight accident...) but I do have an LG CRT 30FZ4D, which I got for free. It is also a CRT with an HDMI input, which I happened to get for free as well. Luckily this one only weighs about 145 pounds so I can manage it better, but I have to agree, the mini systems are amazing on here, and I didn't notice much lag.. on the Snes mini I actually did the input test that is on the Kirby's Avalanche game and saw that it had no input lag. My PS2 via component cables has just the slightest lag but I can live with that! I threw a Fire stick into mine as well and man, some of the older content on youtube looked amazing, I can't wait to watch some newer movies like The Lighthouse and the VVitch on there, I think CRT color depth will really make those movies pop! And yes, got mine from Craigslist, and I also got a 27" Philips along with it!
I feel soooo much envy :O I need me one of those!!!!!!
Subbed, great stuff man.
Glad I still have mine! My younger friends used to tease me for this bulky TV that was only 34" but it still looked better than nearly every 42-47" 1080i lcd screen during that time. I havent used mine for a handful of years buttes be honest, it's going nowhere so long as I'm around!
That's some wholesome guy :3
I can't wait to see about your impressions with the Genesis mini with this thing, probably when it gets hacked... Also I have the Retrotink 2x upscaler, I'd like to know if you have like a OSSC or Framemeister to try this HD CRT in action
amazing video, i found myself a sony 34xbr960 but i havent been using it like i should, watching this video really motivated me to get mini nes snes and ps1, those games look really good, upstairs i have my sony pvm with most console hook up to rgbi but i want try those games in sony xbr picture its amazing too, could you make a video showing you video settings???
I have the KD-34XBR970 and its my main CRT for Xbox 360, PS3, Wii U and sometimes Switch. These two models were great, the 960 has a slight edge over the 970 due to the super fine pitch display, It makes 7th gen consoles shine.
yup landed a 910 the best there is!!
I have 3 CRTs of different brands...I'm liking them all
Forget a sound bar.
Get yourself a home theater receiver with hdmi and component (perfect if you use HD retrovision cables) inputs. A nice set of bookshelf speakers and a dedicated sub and you got total retro audio heaven. That's what I did and you'll be amazed how much detail and overall sound you have been missing out on. It's night and day difference.
The games look fantastic on that screen
The 960 is amazing and has been the centerpiece of my home theater for years. It’s my favorite tv ever and is so good it rivals my ST60 plasma and is why I can console myself on not having an oled yet. It was the pinnacle of Sony’s CRT know how and still holds up amazingly well today. The only downsides are that like other HD CRTs you have a lack of scanlines and a very tiny amount of lag for retro gaming - however retro games still look and play amazingly well on these. I even like up to PS2 era games and some PS3 titles but after that for new games it is much better to use a modern display monitor for the higher resolution. What’s most amazing about this set is that it has about the best comb filter onboard that I’ve ever seen which makes all standard def content look amazing. This is why it’s the best display I’ve ever seen for VHS, laser disc and even DVD. Blu-rays look stunning on this despite not hitting 1080 P resolution and the superfine pitch to results in a clarity a picture and a black level so deep that it’s incomparable on any modern monitor.
The hardest thing to deal with is probably the overscan and geometry. It took me ages to get mine calibrated using the service menu and I got it to a point that’s about as good as I can without having it professionally calibrated.
There is an inherent phosphor lag that some may not see that she have to get used to but there’s a part of what they had to do to make this at work and really not all that bad and only noticeable and very dark scenes with fast moving objects. The one manufacturing flaw they had were the ic power board chips going out every once in a while which is actually a rather easy fix and only a $10 replacement part.
The rare 4:3 variant xs955 model has the same super fine pitch tube and is amazing since you have the full 36” screen for 4:3 content. However it doesn’t have as many options since it wasn’t designed as a top-of-the-line model and is even heavier than the 960.
Have you tried pc gaming on the plasma and CRT? Do you think the FW900 would beat them out?
RoboticusMusic I’ve connected my pc on a whim before but neither really seems designed for pc. I would love to try out an fw900 at some point as they seem amazing. Especially since they can hit 1900x1200!
@@RoboticusMusic Using a Panasonic plasma VT60 and a FW900 for gaming on a weekly basis, they are both jaw dropping. Plasma technology is much like a flat CRT without the electron gun and magnets, using the same phosphor concept that don't use sample and hold technique. LCD and OLED tech does use SAH, making fast motion clarity an eye sore when used to CRT's and plasma's. The way I look at it is display technology after CRT's was a downward spiral with plasmas being an exception. Then the resolution 4k, 8k wars started to compensate for the fixed ugly jagged grid, pixel layout of LCD and OLED, to try to make the image look more organic. OLED still lacks depth unlike CRT's but black levels are stunning. Too bad SED was never a thing, that would be the ideal display technology for sure.
Check out Panasonic’s oled HZ2000. It has the best PQ but also component/composite inputs. I hooked up my OG xbox and it never looked so good. Upscales to 4k? Idk but it looks better than my 400,- framemeister upscaler. Once gamers know about the HZ2000 it will definitely be the best TV for oldschool consoles
1080i was the OTA broadcast standard and also the original HDDVD format if I recall correctly. Blu-ray was recorded in 1080i and converts to 1080p
Have a Sony KV-30HS420 and love it. Your set would be ultimate for most HDMI based games
There is a slight overscan on HDMI but it's not really that bad. Movies especially look great on it, and the retro games of course. Newer HD games that push the UI right to the edge of the screen are better over component input sometimes, because it seems to have a bit less overscan that way. I've fudged it as much as I can in the service menu, but if I try shrinking it too far the geometry in the corners goes off balance. It's almost unparallelled for watching something like a DVD on though, or the classic retro systems imo.
@@TechWithSean Mine looks awesome with N64 Ultra HDMI as well as a wii dual. I'm sure yours would also. I haven't tried the newer stuff on mine. Some of the big sites downplay hd crts but I've been nothing but impressed. They can handle the low res stuff much better than a LCD since LCDs have to upscale where CRTs dont. They draw the number of lines required vs being fixed like a LCD and naturally smooth out some of the jaggies with softer edges. Setting everything up correctly is the big part of it to getting a great pic with these old monitors.
I have that same TV. My neighbors were giving it away when they moved and when I found out it had an HDMI, I was hooked.
I was obsessed with this model ...the xbr960...back in its day. I picked up a 970, then finally the 960 some years back. The picture quality for hd movies was breathtaking, with its deep colors and the depth it gives to the picture. But man! It's big as hell! Convergence was a problem on mine, as well as geometry I couldn't fix. After a while, the set I was so obsessed with as a kid I decided to throw out. Nowadays for a CRT fix I'll use a trinitron computer monitor for 240p emulation, and another beastly trinitron tv, the last 36" sd model sony made. Convergence still sucks on that one, but it's miles better for retro gaming with real hardware than an HDCRT like the xbr960. Real hardware on SD CRTs or those broadcast monitors is the absolute best. With RGB!
These are good for films and HDMI based consoles like PS3 or SNES classic, but for real hardware an interlaced TV is best. I have a KV27fs120 and a toshiba 24” that I use for the real systems. RGB modding isn’t worth the hassle on a TV though imo. Just get s-video or component cables and you’re 99% there
I've had my fair share of trinitrons and shadow mask CRT's. Aparture grill (trinitrons) are overrated. Give me a shadow mask CRT like a JVC, panasonic, toshiba any day. The broadcast trinitrons are way overrated. The phosphor colors aren't pushed, no bloom and the phosphor pattern of trinitrons aren't the "arcade" look like shadow mask CRT's many of us are more familiar with. Give me curved glass shadow mask CRT any day of the week.
Wooow it is amazing 😍😍😍😍
wow I want one!!
Xephyr 23 - it is worth the hassle of moving if you can find one!
I have a got a black sony trinitron CRT 34 inch tv from someone.It doesn't have hdmi port but i use an hdmi converter and a firestick to it and the picture quality is better than some modern flat screen tvs.When i connect fire stick to lg led flat and compare it this trinitron the trinitron crt picture seems betterAnd without a doubt the surround sound is way better from the trinitron.Its like a sound system.I was very impressed.The setback is because firestick is made for flatscreen i don't think i get the full video width.But the quality is crystal clear.Also i am sure my electricity bill is going to be higher than usual with this tv and all these plugins.Another setback is that this tv even though is 30 inch is heavy like a bike.I had a hatd time getting it out of the house i got it from as it was upstairs and it really hot a lot of shaking and jerking to get it in my house. With help.It was torture carrying it.I promise mydelf i was never going yo move ever sgain unless it stop working or i was going yo get rid of it.I am planning on getting a new flat screen but i am in 2 monds whether i should get rid of it or keep it as retro tv and show piece to show the younger generation what this big booty tv iwas like back in the days.When i turn it And hear the sound quality and see the picture thoug i have a hatd time deciding. And this tv is hard to kill..lol
Great TV. I wanted one also but I understand light guns don't work on this specific model. I did however luck out and got a Sony kv-32fv320 for $10 at a goodwill. It has everything except hdmi and guns did work.
KV-34XBR910 is the exact same tube. DVI instead of HDMI, Memory Stick slot requires an adapter for smaller MS ProDuo sticks, and no CableCARD/HD tuner.
I have the xbr910. Love it. Found mine on Craigslist in almost mint condition, it was in a guest room so it was hardly used.Yes, it's virtually the same tube as the 960.
@@BeeRye Yep. Exact same tube between the 34" models but the 960 dropped the 30" size... and that's the one I have. Awesome find, by the way! I bought my KV-30XBR910 new at Circuit City for $2,300 back in 2003/2004 and got a $200 "merchandise card" and the $300 matching stand, both for free. ...but first I returned a $900 30" Samsung HD monitor that just wasn't working out for me (forced 480p content to 16:9, ruining most 480p GameCube games). AVSForum told me the larger 34" models were prone to issues with green blobs due to aperture grill misalignment as the tube heated/cooled but I don't see people complaining today. Never regretted the purchase but sometimes I wish I got the larger one.
The 910 also lacks a digital tuner. That's why it's called a KV instead of a KD.
@@frankhoward7645 Yeah. That would be what I meant up there with the "HD tuner" I said it lacks. Back then you typically bought an "HDTV Monitor" and added an HDTV tuner if you needed it since it was expensive and so many used some other STB for HD content instead. Though the XBR910 was an exception, the scaling hardware for supporting every standard HDTV resolution was usually handled externally which was also a big money-saver. They even had different logos for "HDTV" and "HDTV Monitor" so consumers would understand that it was just an HD monitor with no HD tuner. There were no OTA analog HDTV broadcasts in the USA and no SDTVs needed a digital tuner so "digital tuner" was still synonymous with "HD tuner" during that time.
Analog broadcasts were still around and the FCC wasn't requiring digital tuners for all TVs yet. Without government subsidies and the digital transition deadline several years away (it wasn't even known when yet) there was no reason to get an external digital SD tuner back then. SD-only external ATSC tuners just weren't a thing yet, so any "digital tuner" was an HD tuner and there was no need to distinguish/specify. Even if you wanted a digital tuner for an SD set you bought an HD tuner and used the analog SD outputs. That's just how it was.
@@emmettturner9452 Thanks for the explanation. I've bought and sold about 10 960s as well as a couple of 910s. When I sell them, I advertise that they're capable of receiving digital signals so you don't need a converter box. That's why rather than saying they have HD tuners, I say they have digital tuners that are capable of receiving free digital over-the-air broadcasts. As far as the 910 is concerned, I learned the hard way that a 910 can't do this when a customer brought his back!
People hate them that are crt purists because the upscaler kind of makes dvds and vhs look like an lcd screen but the image quality for the mini consoles is sooo true !! They look great - I got mine for free too a few years ago before the crt craze during the pandemic 😊
Really nice, do you think that tv has more input lag than regular crt tvs? Some ppl says hdmi crt has some latency.
Man those look cool I hope I could get one of those one day for now I guess al use my regular CRT for Retro Gaming have you ever considered picking up a Sega Saturn?
SegaCDboy21 - I have, the flashcart thing looks cool. If I got a system I’d probably get a Japanese one cause of the library but there’s a ton of games on there that look cool and never came out here. I can read basic Japanese too, but I know the games can be $$$ and that’s always put me off from getting into them. Maybe when I upgrade houses, I’ll be able to have my other Trinitron out too (4:3 standard def KV-27fs120) which is perfect for actual hardware on pre-HDMI stuff.
man, that tv looks great on my lcd panel.
Sony kv-36fv310: "I'm the best CRT TV ever"
Sony trinitron wega 34XBR960: "finally a worthy opponent. Our battle will be legendary."
Depends on your intended use
What settings have you found best for the mini consoles? CRT filter, 4:3 or pixel perfect?
DVD player with RGB👍🏻...is great
..also..they can have a restoration done - clean inside of dust and replace capacitors/ circuits etc..fine tuning for color and a recalibration , could have it like new for another 15yrs!!!..👍🏻😎..I'm looking for a technical shop to do a restoration of my Sony 80cm..👍🏻
Nostalgia!
How does this do with older video formats like Laserdisc and VHS? Even though it’s 1080i, I’d assume it should at least look decent on a crt.
Dream TV back in 2003.
this is too funny, I just found one of these for free on fbm also and am going to pick it up in the morning. So I came to watch a video about it lol. Thanks for the info.
You got it ?
@@ismiismael yeah but this thing is a damn beast. Can barely move it. Don't know what to do lol
@@IuseanXboxController it must be about 90 kilos
I called some movers when I left to collect my mitsubishi xc-3725c, it weighs 103 kilos
@@IuseanXboxController did you try the wii in 480p on this tv?
What a lucky guy! Hi from brazil...
I’d like to see what a 4K blu ray would look like on this. It would downscale but should be very detailed. Possibly too much bandwidth for the hdmi version (1.1?)
the bandwidth is not the problem. there's almost no difference between 4k and regular blu ray. 4k blu ray at all looks a little bit crispier. the tv displays 1080i max
@@mr.electronx9036I feel like 1080p is the sweet spot. 1080i is still great but that extra push 1080p is appreciated
@@mr.electronx9036 hdr is the big difference. The tone mapping would not look good on an sdr tv
this tv is a beast. i got one for 50 bucks 3 years ago
best best ever
Hello! I'd like to ask you if it actually draws the 720 horizontal lines or just converts it to 1080i
i also have a hd television from 2006, it's a loewe one, its european and its resolution is 1366x768, when i knew it i was really surprised
How do you have your PS2 hooked up component I imagine how does that look? I have an HD Trinitron 40-in just got it messing around with the settings. I got it primarily for the PS2 but it being HD I hope that wasn't a mistake
CRT TVs are fun ...and cheap..
its also a lot of fun to lift one
this One weights 88KG btw
@@Squadalha They tend to be overpriced on eBay, and that particular one is pretty egregious lol (it costs more than my OLED did brand new!). With patience and vigilance, you can find them somewhat locally for cheap or free.
These day it’s just fun cause they not cheap anymore in fact it’s can be more expensive than a Walmart LCD TV
Not anymore they're not lol
today I got a KD34XBR970 for free on FB Marketplace and holly donkey balls this thing is HEAVY!!!! I also think that it needs some calibration, the image is a little off I think but other than that it's great! Now I need to get a stand for it.
I wonder if its still easy to get these for free. I want one I can carry by myself if I have to
THAT Trinitron was the APEX of HD tv back then.
I have the KV-34HS510 (34"). The next model down and picture wise I never could tell them apart.
Mine is now sitting in the garage. All 206 LBS of it. LOL
Also mine did not have an HDMI port. It has a DVI and Component Cable.
Mine was from around 2003-04 so maybe that was why.
However, I did have it calibrated when I first got it....Night & Day.
I would LOVE to give mine away to someone that would appreciate it and use it.
Sadly I cannot find anyone right now. I live in Michigan.
If you’re wanting to give it away, put it on Facebook marketplace and say it’s over 200lbs.
No one that wouldn’t appreciate it will want to move that thing! 😂 they are beautiful sets though, and the sound they put out blows away flat TVs.
I would take it if i were near you.
I have kv34hs420 and it has HDMI as well. One thing is my kv34xbr800 has much better sound but the DVI is fussy so for anything that doesn't work I use the component cables and it's excellent. Just picked up a Panasonic tcp54g20 and would you believe the sony CRT is better!
I'm not sure how you can say the sound on the 800 is much better than that of the 960? Now I can't say in all certainty but I'm sure the audio was basically identical in terms of components with both having a small bass unit in the rear of the unit. Either way, the audio o
quality of the 960 was the best I've EVER heard from any tv, even trumping the large lcd screens with woofers and tweeters showing.
Man where do get one of these
I know this is old but I’m interested in a similar crt HD tv, a Toshiba 26” widescreen crt with connections much like yours. My question is do light guns work on yours? I have a OG Xbox and Dreamcast I’m hoping will work on this. I have a 32” Sanyo 4:3 thats solid but has some burn in but works great for light guns. Wanted a backup and saw the Toshiba nearby. Thanks for your time and content.
I don’t think they work on this one, I believe you need an interlaced display
Wich one is Better?...
This one ir The Samsung TXS2782H 27" Slim Fit HDTV
It doesnt have input lag? Because of the HDMI?
Any input lag from the hdmi port?
I keep seeing people talking about using Trinitrons for even some modern gaming. I might see if I can get one cheap.
Gallowglass - if you’re in the US, look on Facebook marketplace for ‘Sony tv’, ‘WEGA’, ‘old tv’, ‘crt’, ‘tube tv’, etc.
A lot of people giving them away free don’t know the significance of the name “Trinitron” and may not put it in the ad
Two Reasons why this Model is Only good for Movies and bad for Retro Games:
Huge Inputlag when you want to Play with a console via HDMI
(Test it with CoD and a PS3 or X360)
16:9 Aspect Ratio is useless because the old Games and Platforms (PSX, N64, Segas etc) are only Support 4:3
So this HD CRT is in my Opinion
by far Not One of the best CRT
(i come from Germany and we have Premium TVs like Metz or Loewe, that costs on release 4000-5000$ and i have a few CRTs from them)
when you put a Digital Console in you have the Input lag ( the Most reason People want to Play on CRT is because they have no inputlag )
And when you put a analog One in you have the wrong aspect ratio
wwemasterchief - I have a kv27fs120 also, but you can’t play the 720p SNES, NES, PlayStation Classics on it, nor watch HD videos and apps via hdmi.
Who cares not everyone with CRT play retro games
Why do some crts have input lag?
@@7ngel Only the HD CRTs have input lag. The input lag is created by the TV having to process the picture to all those pixels. In turn making pretty much any retro game unplayable IMO. I tried hooking up an original NES to my 46" Sony LCD once and I couldn't even play Super Mario Bros. the lag was so horrendous. Noticeable the first time I jumped. It makes for a very frustrating experience. I've heard that some of these HD CRTs can have almost no lag to very little, especially compared to a modern LCD TV, which I'm assuming the set talked about in this video must have been or else the OP would not have title the video what he did. Also, what I'm not sure about...One these new mini consoles companies are releasing, are the input lag problems solved? Maybe it only happens when connecting an original system up, because these new mini systems are made to be played on modern TVs. So I assume lag wouldn't be an issue.
Retro games are very playable. The lag aint that bad. In some cases one might not care depending on the game. On music games like space channel 5 on ps2 you might hate it but good for most games.
If I had one, I would watch my Blu-ray discs on it.
What was moving that monster like? I worked in an AV store when those were new and hated delivering those!
As I recall, the guys who worked in A/V stores called the Trinitron models "Triniton" 🤣
I see that you're a man of culture, as you watch Might Morphin Power Rangers as well. 😎
Does it makes only 60hz or it is a 100hz TV ?
I wish had a HD CRT with hdmi
There are equivalents of this CRT TV from Samsung and Philips as well, so it's definitely not one of the only ones that support HDMI. There is the Philips 32 or 28-PW9551, it supports HDMI input and 1080i or 720P 60hz, and the Samsung WS-32Z409T with identical specs. And thos are just two I've found out about in the past few weeks of randomly stumbling upon them. And, generally, the Philips and Samsung are a lot easier to find than the Sony ones, while having near identical image quality, since at that time, wether you had a trinitron or not, CRT technology had peaked. I found myself a Philips 32PW9551 for 10 euros today :D, and those seem to be available in many places. There are 4 on sale in ebay-kleinanzeigen in Germany alone.
Hello
I just had the Philips TV the same as yours, the concern is that it upscales the 480p content as an lcd screen and it creates aliasing
you had the same problem? you knew if the Samsung Slimfit does the same
@@ismiismael I'm using mine linked to my computer, with 720p DSR upscaled to 1440p, and on that, I can't tell. But, when it comes to playing with the PS2, Gamecube, Wii, PS3, or emulators in full screen, set to 480p resolution in settings, all the 480p content displays at 480p. Do you get a 480p or 480i icon on the top right of the screen when you run a 480p/480i native console ? Did you check if the jaggedness comes from too much sharpening in the settings ?
@@Melibond64 sorry for my bad english
Yes the icon is 480p and is the picture is fit all screen perfectly but i have jaggy and.aliasing in all 480p/480i stuff like lcd or plasma
I have another philips crt with VGA input he make 480p natively
@@Melibond64 maybe i get ride of my philips 32pw9552 . i buy him specialy for 480p content like wii and og xbox . but is not very good . i set the sharpness to 1 pr 2 . if i set to 0 we have no jaggy but the picture is washed
The HD stuff on it is not bad is not real HD resolution but good contrast & nice black and.no burn screen like plasma
@@ismiismael Me too, I leave it at 2. What do you mean by it's not real hd ? On my PS3, games run at native 1280x720p and they look like it too. On the computer, resolution needs to be cropped to around 1240x690, but, with 4x DSR, it looks even better than 1080i native.
I have one of these in my parents' basement. The screen doesn't work anymore though, as best I can tell. Not sure what's wrong with it. It's so heavy, I don't even know what to do with it now.
I’m interested in modern gaming on a crt. What kind of refresh rates could I get from 1080 x 1920 on the later FD Trinitron/WEGA 16:9 hdmi models?
85hz :D
Imagine if they made one of these in 4K
How's the display latency though? I've heard the HD tubes have a lot of latency due to the digital tuner
I can tell you that it’s horrible. This TV is NOT something to play games on.
Bem bonitos TV AV gosta HD ou SD RGB
Oh, no was that the cropped away Jurassic park? Gotta get the original Aspect Ratio
I have a later model of this TV and it has overscan issues with HDMI do you have them with this model?
Greenchrysopsaro - there is some overscan on HDMI, you can reduce it a bit via the service menu, but I found running the 360 over components had less overscan than HDMI at the same resolution. It’s really not that bad though, most movies and older games were designed with overscan in mind. It kinda suck in Windows, but that’s not really what I use it for most of the time
hd retrovision cables?
Which model PS2 is that? I've never seen one with a circular pop-up disc cover.
That’s an aftermarket flip top that you could install to run backups and imports with Swap Magic discs back in the day
How does it do with original hardware (Genesis, snes, nes)? Is there any lag problems like associated with HD lcd's?
There would be lag
I've got the 40"xbr700 and while I love it it doesn't look as good as I hoped it would for retro gaming. Also, light gun games do not work for some reason
Light guns require an interlaced display, they would never work on a TV like this... But an interlaced display wouldn't work for these HDMI-based mini retro consoles. If you want to play on actual retro hardware, you want an interlaced TV - I have a KV-27FS120, but I don;t really use actual old systems very often anymore because they are a hassle compared to the new HDMI ones you can load up with ROMs.
If i connect an original nes or snes to one of these, will it display 4:3 or 16:9?
Btw i forgot to mention, i have an snes that was rgb modded to output through component cables. Will this play full screen?
How much is it?
Whats the similar equivalent in Australia anyone know?
Did you have any issues with overscan?
It has a little overscan but default, but you can adjust it in the service menu.
How much input lag are you getting on this set?
via HDMI .. a lot..
My old crt panasonic just died
Wow, never realized that Sony made an HD Triniton! Did it have an ATSC tuner?
I have a huge Sony Trinitron CRT computer monitor, that can do progressive widescreen 1280 by 1024 resolution, and since it is analog VGA input, has almost zero input lag. And the blacks, oh the blacks.
It actually does have a tuner
Did you calibrate your tv using the sony service menu? If so, any recommendations on settings that you updated/changed. I was having issues with overscanning on hdmi connections with various consoles and my Google chromecast. The picture keeps moving left and right using hdmi every time I turn the tv on and off. I do save the service menu settings, so it's not that.
Nick Walters - I did adjust some stuff but it varies per set. There is some overscan on HDMI you can’t get rid of, don’t make a huge difference for most stuff but can be annoying. If you force it to squeeze the full thing into the viewable area your corners will get weird. You may try seeing if you can run thru component and gets less overscan. I have the 360 hooked up like that and I feel like it has less than the HDMI devices ✌️
Thanks, this was helpful. Component seems more consistent with consoles and the picture for ps2 and original Xbox, like you are saying.
With an Amazon firestick you can fix that but reducing the screensize to 4% in the caliberation menu for the firestick
Absolute masterpiece by SONY
i got a 910 recently. to my knowledge, it's the exact same tv except that instead of an hdmi port, it has a dvi port with a 3.5 breakout.
I have a Samsung SlimFit HD CRT but notice timing issues when using mini consoles. Has anyone had this happen?
I have one. They are not bad to me. Mine is fully calibrated so that may have made the experience better.
This TV is ideal to play Nintendo Switch 2D games and other similar stuff that outputs 720p or 1080i, however for pure retrogaming (older 240P systems like the Genesis or SNES) it`s not very good for several reasons, main two being. huge black bars on the side of the picture are very distracting and (most importantly) this TV cannot display a pure 240P image with scanlines.
In conclusion, a pure 15Khz 240P 4:3 TV set is the way to for anything PS1 or older.
But there are no scanlines on this crt right? thats the entire reason I would want to use a crt for.
Nope. That seems like a weird only reason to use a CRT though, since you could just emulate scanlines on any display. The deep picture, solid blacks and fluid motion are great compared to a fixed pixel display. Plus, I don’t really want to see scan lines on videos, films, or HD games. I have a kv27fs120 if I want to break out original NES hardware or something, these mini systems on here are a better experience though, imo. No repeatedly blowing into your Battletoads cart and still not being able to get it to load, lol.
CRT's inherent trait is to draw pictures in scanlines by electron beams hitting the phosphor mask/grille. Higher definition just means more of those scanlines. All CRTs should have scanlines. Electron beam raster creates these scanlines. It's just how CRTs work.
LCDs appear to use a gradient method on its fixed pixel display. Shifting liquid crystals deciding which colors to shine through by the backlight. Newer LCD techs have more dynamic backlighting, improving black levels. OLED is one of those types of displays in whichs, I believe, uses pixel by pixel backlighting (I'm not an expert, don't take my word for it). Still, it's a fixed pixel display just like any LCDs.
Check out the video "How a TV Works in Slow Motion - The Slow Mo Guys"
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I think OP's preference is perfectly normal. Scanlines are unique to CRTs. It's a relic, a unique technological marvel you won't find in fixed-pixel LCD tech.
LCDs can also appear to have fluid motion, given that the display is capable of higher refresh rate such as 144hz PC gaming monitors. CRTs appear to have crisper motion (than 60Hz LCDs) at only 60hz most likely because of the use of scanlines instead of gradient frame changing of LCDs, adding to motion blur.
The most authentic CRT emulation on LCD would require the LCD to be able to replicate the effect of CRT electron beams hitting the phosphor grille. A bright dot occupying one or four pixels of the LCD display, moving from left to right, drawing lines like that, changing the colors of the image in the same speed as a 60hz CRT TV. In other words, nearly impossible to accomplish on a consumer LCD TV. Why not just get a CRT to experience all of its glory with little to no effort.
All CRTs have scanlines. They are just harder to see at higher resolutions. People are obsessed with the thick scanlines on old arcade games because the games were designed around low resolution displays. So yes old school arcade games may not look as 'authentic ' but will still look better than an LCD. CRTs have many other characteristics that make them unique other than scanlines.
You're one of the luckiest guy in the world
I spot geometry problems on the "4k" logo. 0:36
I'm sorry, I have OCD, I can't not mention that.
Dom GC - yeah these aren’t perfect like a fixed-pixel display, but not being one helps it in other ways. There is also some overscan on HDMI - it’s not perfect, but it’s still really cool.
3:11 what title is that...??
i saw Lancelot lol
exd afrianz that is Castlevania - Symphony of the Night on the PlayStation 1
anyone in here prefer the 30" inch or 26" inch version of these crt's?
10000viewer - for my real (not the mini HDMI) retro systems, I use a 24” Toshiba CRT. Those smaller sets have tighter geometry most of the time 👍
0:41 CableCARD port...??
any clue of that?
I don’t think anywhere uses them anymore these days en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CableCARD
Imagine if they invented a CRT TV with 4k resolution
Apparently Sony is trying to bring back CRTs but with much better specs, they'll be expensive though
@@Ailgadem Wait, really?
@@Ailgadem You gotta source for that? That sounds too good to be true...
@@techwithevan1071 only heard from some people who said so. But if it does happen, the monitors would be so expensive they wouldn't be worth it (several thousands each, probably)
@@Ailgademi cant wait. Will get them when they go on sale.
Is there input lag for sd consoles
Yes if you’re playing on OG consoles you are better off with an interlaced CRT. I use a KV27FS120
These HD-CRTs can only do 1080i/540p. So it's best to use normal CRTs for 480i/240p games.
Since this is a premium tv im sure it can do 240p. I think i even saw someone do it. Plus my samsung hdcrt does it so i know this will.
I got one because of all the hype and I gave it away cause it wasnt that amazing. For all consoles 6th gen and below you want to use a crt that isnt digital and is 4x3 aspect ratio, they just look better, for 8th gen and up you want 1080p and this tv doesnt do that, so it leaves the 7th gen (xbox 360 and ps3) as the best suited in my opinion and I felt those consoles looked better on my OLED than the xbr960, i really wanted it to be amazing but it was pretty underwhelming.
How many people installed the tv? it weights 88kg
Cesar U - it took two of us to carry it 💪💪
some ps1 and n64 games where widescreen
HD CRTs (with HDMI) have horrible lag for retro gaming. I'm curious if just didn't notice that?
Mohammad Karimi - the mini consoles only have HDMI - it feels less laggy than playing them on an LCD imo
Just use component cable