Came here after Ryan announce and I am so disapointed this dude Vagner isn't material to face Ryan please Roger Gracie came back to give us the Roger VS Gordon we all want to see
Meh, the terms of a match like that would be pretty complicated. Gordon probably has upper hand over Roger in no gi while the opposite is true for gi. So, yeah, it would have to be set up in way to minimize controversy afterwards regardless of results. Maybe one match in each format? It would risk an inconclusive result if each won one, but maybe that’s as close to the truth of a Gordon v Roger BJJ match anyway… anyway it’s a match I would break quarantine and pay the fine to watch.
Other than spider web and back mount for over time is there a third leg advantage position that could be offered? I think that is what these EBI rules format needs. A 3rd leg advantage position
@@Bugpickerlicker fair enough. But Gordon and Craig could go balls deep on each other and defend it technically and not disengage the moment their leg is touched.
@@gamessportsandmore3371 - LOL, they wouldn't let the other person get that deep. The correct defence is to shut it down early, just like Rocha did. That's what Jones and Ryan would do.
That overtime thing is ridiculous. Jiu jitsu should be 20 minute rounds of submission only. Keep going until there is a submission. Then you find out who is the better grappler. If it is close then fitness can win. But the grappler with the most skill is likely to win most of the time in submission only. This overtime thing doesn't prove anything. Just to have a winner every match is not my idea of how to do it. You want a ruleset that is better for the better athlete. Do you want a ruleset that helps the less skilled grapplers? Well, that is what this overtime system is. Useless!
No one wants to watch a two hour match with stalling. Let them do that in private. Any televised match needs to make money and you don't make it when one match lasts that long.
I get what you’re saying and it’s what a purist would say so I respect that… but it’s pretty impractical and would ensure that bjj remain a super niche sport. Early days UFC was no rounds, no weight classes, no time limits and all in one day. It’s romantic and manly, but it proved unwatchable for all but the hardcore fans. It took rounds, weight classes, rules to allow UFC to take off. Packaging matters in the real world.
I love to see Vagner smashing that stupid butt scoot attack. That move alone is killing competition grappling and keeping it from more of a mainstream appeal. "hey guys, lets go watch the fights where these guys butt scoot after each other all night!"
Can someone explain the ending? Seems like the commentator was saying CJ made VR tap, because he had something in the bottom half (legs?), yet I didn't see a tap and/or any submission hold by CJ.
ehhh it's like an arm underhook de la riva with like an x guard hook sweep. it's kind of a mix of things there but essentially he's capturing the knee to place Vagner's body weight on top of him.
What do you mean? What I see is in 5 or so years everyone will know how to heel hook and will know how to defend it. Things will get competitive again. No more Craig Jones and Gordon Ryan winning every match
Funny how all comments are about how much chael sucks. Btw. this is bs bjj. They should just allow punches once the delariva or half guard is achieved.
Listening to Chael talk leglocks from such an obvious beginner's perspective is simultaneously fun and annoying. Only the GOAT can walk such a line.
@Harvey Alaric Wow loser
he doesn't care to rub legs with another man. hes a republican
Chael actually let Craig beat him in a match before so I’m sure he has a lot of respect for him
The refree fucking named Rocha as winner at the end😂🥴
cool of these 2 to provide a visual element to accompany Chael's commentary
Lol
Did that referee smell like beer and cigarettes?
in Craig we trust 🇦🇺
Amen
Commentary was Gold classic Chael lol
7:11 i like his description of boxing "fake a jab to throw a jab" that is some next level boxing IQ lol
The worst thing about this competition is Chael's commentary
the worst thing about this commentary is the grapples taking away from chaels voice
This was a great match ! Really high level stuff.
Chael please stop commentating forever
Hahaha i was thinking the same thing. Shit was cringey
seriously. I was thinking of joining FightPass for the jiu jitsu, but if Chael is the commentator, no thanks.
lmao why , he did sound biased against craig this match
Those entries from de la riva is a thing of beauty❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Chael still traumatized by seeing Vinny get his leg mangled.
Came here after Ryan announce and I am so disapointed this dude Vagner isn't material to face Ryan please Roger Gracie came back to give us the Roger VS Gordon we all want to see
Meh, the terms of a match like that would be pretty complicated. Gordon probably has upper hand over Roger in no gi while the opposite is true for gi. So, yeah, it would have to be set up in way to minimize controversy afterwards regardless of results. Maybe one match in each format? It would risk an inconclusive result if each won one, but maybe that’s as close to the truth of a Gordon v Roger BJJ match anyway… anyway it’s a match I would break quarantine and pay the fine to watch.
Other than spider web and back mount for over time is there a third leg advantage position that could be offered? I think that is what these EBI rules format needs. A 3rd leg advantage position
Good match. Not sure I’m feeling the contest’s seatbelt setup for overtime, but hey.
EBI overtime rules.
Lol chael is hilarious
Dammit chael... HUSH.... trying to hear the ref but I cant cus of that running mouth.
Incredible how Vagner negated the leg lock from the leg lock master.
he never really got entangled.
@@gamessportsandmore3371 that’s the best way to defend it
@@Bugpickerlicker fair enough. But Gordon and Craig could go balls deep on each other and defend it technically and not disengage the moment their leg is touched.
@@gamessportsandmore3371 - LOL, they wouldn't let the other person get that deep. The correct defence is to shut it down early, just like Rocha did. That's what Jones and Ryan would do.
@@AJ-rg4nt I have seen on a few rare occasions people go deep on Gordon with a leg lock and he has never been in any kind of danger.
Was Craig accusing Vagner of being greased? That was a weird moment.
That overtime thing is ridiculous. Jiu jitsu should be 20 minute rounds of submission only. Keep going until there is a submission. Then you find out who is the better grappler. If it is close then fitness can win. But the grappler with the most skill is likely to win most of the time in submission only. This overtime thing doesn't prove anything. Just to have a winner every match is not my idea of how to do it. You want a ruleset that is better for the better athlete. Do you want a ruleset that helps the less skilled grapplers? Well, that is what this overtime system is. Useless!
Screw the rounds, just have them roll until one taps.
No one wants to watch a two hour match with stalling. Let them do that in private. Any televised match needs to make money and you don't make it when one match lasts that long.
I get what you’re saying and it’s what a purist would say so I respect that… but it’s pretty impractical and would ensure that bjj remain a super niche sport. Early days UFC was no rounds, no weight classes, no time limits and all in one day. It’s romantic and manly, but it proved unwatchable for all but the hardcore fans. It took rounds, weight classes, rules to allow UFC to take off. Packaging matters in the real world.
@@mensrea1251 It doesn't matter what the rules are. There are never going to be any that satisfy both the purists and the fans who want entertainment.
I love to see Vagner smashing that stupid butt scoot attack. That move alone is killing competition grappling and keeping it from more of a mainstream appeal. "hey guys, lets go watch the fights where these guys butt scoot after each other all night!"
Don’t watch grappling then
if craig is touching your leg...
That overtime thing is shitty.
Can someone explain the ending? Seems like the commentator was saying CJ made VR tap, because he had something in the bottom half (legs?), yet I didn't see a tap and/or any submission hold by CJ.
CJ made VR tapped in the bottom half of the over time with a rnc (maybe a neck crank) That’s what Chael Sonnon, the commentator, meant by bottom half
@@josephjuarez7548 Thanks, I get it now. I was confused because i thought VR had untill the end of the timer running to tap CJ.
Craig Jones with some tight defense from the back.
Our pride and joy 🇦🇺
chaels jit jitsu commentary is terrible
What was Craig complaining about with Vagner’s shins?
said he was slippery (as in oil or vaseline was applied to avoid leg locks) but Vagner apparently just shaved his legs
Wagner have no chance to ryan
Nobody does.
@Rill Music hahahahaha
Really? th-cam.com/video/wdK6k2fZ1XQ/w-d-xo.html
@@gamessportsandmore3371 Felipe Pena did twice
@@huilton 4.YEARS.AGO.
Wait..this is grappling not fighting🤔
for vagner is savegery but for craig its grapling hahahha what an ASSHOLE
Great comentary!
Now we know he was all juiced up !
Chael’s voice is like nails on a chalkboard.
who won?
craig jones
Greaser for the lose!
I just turned the sound off. Much better
Craig Jones is #2 in the World
2:20 name of the move?
ehhh it's like an arm underhook de la riva with like an x guard hook sweep. it's kind of a mix of things there but essentially he's capturing the knee to place Vagner's body weight on top of him.
Rocha ADV
Jones
2:19
Fucking impressed by Rocha. Kind of confused that he let that happen in OT. Love Craig as well but really though Vagner would tap him if it got to OT
Chaels commentary is so bad hahaha
Boring AF. Only good think about this match was the commentary.
Vagner Rocha the best
Gordon will smash him
dirtiest*
bs commentary
Uncle chael
craig's face would be bloody in that first minute. combat jj or nothing
Tf man 😅
Guard pullers zzz
Jogo chato demais esse do gringo de ficar atacando só perna, pegando no pé. Eles estão fazendo o grapling ficar sem graça, maçante
This announcer is annoying
what a shitshow !:))
creg
The sport isn’t going anywhere with heel hooks.
Actually it is, Ibjjf is what’s causing the problem.
What do you mean? What I see is in 5 or so years everyone will know how to heel hook and will know how to defend it. Things will get competitive again. No more Craig Jones and Gordon Ryan winning every match
@David Masters 'fuck bjj im a brown belt' ok you lost me there bud
Funny how all comments are about how much chael sucks.
Btw. this is bs bjj. They should just allow punches once the delariva or half guard is achieved.
@Kommisar i thought bjj was invented for fighting scenarios, mr. helio gracie.
2:20
Rocha ADV
Jones