I can't get over just how well these videos are done. Well Filmed.....VERY Fell Explained and easy clear instructions. These should be industry standard when installing equipment. Love this channel !
I put my front bumper on yesterday, my friend had to fabricate a new bracket for the fuel pump to move it over a bit so the winch would have room as I have a full bumper. Thank goodness my two friends were helping me. Well, have a nice day, have fun!
Just installed the same bumper on my wife's JL Rubi this afternoon. It had the factory plastic bumper, so the fogs fit no problem. The only thing I did differently, was to use the bolts to attach the skid plate cross member to the frame, then use the button head bolts to attach the skid plate to the bumper and cross member. Now researching winches...
Great video's, nice to see the different bumper options and most excellent how to instructions on you tube! Thank you for posting, keep up the good work
The *puck* is actually called a wedge for holding the rope ;) we use em all the time to tie our lines when working with cranes ;) i'm a crane operator ! good install, why the LOD ?
Too funny. If anything, I would have called it a "wedge" but in the WARN instructions, they called it a "puck". Went with LoD for a few reasons. For one, we really wanted to have a winch for EJS and for two, they're friends of ours and were able to help us out in a pinch.
Eddie, you installed that bumper and winch like you’ve done it a hundred times before. Once again, top notch video. Thank you ! How many bumpers would you say you’ve swapped in your days??
LOL - so glad that the video was helpful to you. Over the last 20+ years, I've installed quite a few front and rear bumpers on a LOT of different Jeeps.
of course, I'd rather see you use the original steel bumper, since it's already awesome, but I bet many people who got the plastic bumpers will find this helpful. I'm super happy with my stock steel bumper and I don't think I'll ever change it. I will remove the the ends and add a brush bar, winch and lights though. So many options available. such a fun truck.
Aloha from HAWAII, Ed. Once again thank you for the informative video. I was able to install my new WARN Zeon winch to my new JL Rubicon. Chee Hoooo \m/
Thanks for the instructional install video. The bumper looks great. I have a LoD bumper on my 2010 JKUR and it has held up well. The finish on it has also held up well. They make a great product.
My build for my 18 Rubicon JL is 2.5” RC spacer lift and 37” tires, was wondering how much drop or sag happened with weight of bumper and heavy Winch? I added a additional 3/4” RC spacer to the front and from before and after measuring found out it was perfect for Red Rock stubby bumper and Smittybilt 9500# rope Winch. It dropped the front exactly the 3/4” so maintained the 2.5” lift. I know the springs will set later but so far happy with the 3/4” spacer.
I almost went with the LoD destroyer bumper for my jkur, I went back and forth trying to make up my mind but ended up getting the poison spyder mid width brawler bumper, putting it on this next coming weekend along with my new warn winch
Great video Eddie! The new JL is well under way with its new mods!! I’m looking forward to making my trip in the spring of 2019. Thinking March. 👍. I hope to be on 35’s and lifted by then.
just a though, you maybe able to disassemble the mounting housing for the JL fog lights and mount the JL LED headlights into the JK mounting housing. A good way to save $500.00 on purchasing aftermarket fogs.
It's a good thought but if you look at it carefully, you'll see that the housing is molded plastic and not something you can disassemble. That being said, the LED fog light issue is only an issue with ones that come on the steel bumper group. If you have a plastic bumper, the LED fogs for it should still work just fine. Most people with the steel bumper group will not be swapping it out for a different bumper like I did.
That stinks they are manufactured that way. Good thing for made in china amazon specials, you can get new ones cheap :). True to the bumper comment, that why so many of them trolled you on this video. I wish people would learn that its your jeep, which means you get to build it how you want. If they want to pay you to build it in their style then that's a different story. The JLU looks great and I enjoy your videos. Keep up the great work and I look forward to watching you build this thing out.
Please note that the ONLY LED fog lights to have issues are the ones that come in the Rubicon steel bumper. The LED's that come in the standard plastic factory bumpers work fine. ALSO, LoD has since come out with new brackets that do allow for the use of Rubicon steel bumper LEDs.
Sorry, not really sure being that I don't have the parking sensors but I would imagine that LoD sells a bumper that can accommodate them. I would give them a call.
We grew up driving manuals and it's what we know best and in a lot of ways, what we enjoy most BUT I'd be lying if I said there are any pros to wheeling one off road over an automatic. Or at least, for the kind of wheeling we do. Wheeling an automatic is like the difference between wheeling with lockers versus wheeling with open diffs.
Great video. I my self like the factory steal bumper and will probably just do a winch mount for it. Not that much rocks around here so don’t need the protection. I love the Milwaukee ratchet. I have one of the new ones that just came out. It replaced my old one which is the one you have. It have a lot more torque. You don’t need to brake the bolt and nuts with a ratchet. Take a look at them the Milwaukee fuel 12v
Eddie, does the winch require a fuse installed inline with the power cable? Recently saw someone that cut the end off the power cable and put an inline fuse in. I've never seen anyone else do that though. Any thoughts? thanks in advance!
Hey, Wayalife I bought the LOD bumpers for my Jeep last year and this weekend I’m going to put the front one on. Last year I put the back one on. I like them. Good video by the way. Thank you.
Much nicer looking and stronger than the stock bumper. Just kind of disappointed that LOD didn't think through the LED fog light mounting option for JL owners.
In truth, it really wasn't their fault. The LED fogs on the standard plastic bumper are the same as what we installed. It's only on the optional steel bumper that the fogs are different and they're working on a new bracket for it.
After having the LOD bumper and rock rails for a while i would like to here you thoughts on durability. I'm thinking of buying the LOD destroyer rock rail and front bumper.
Would you know where I could buy the fairlead mount. I'm talking about the extra metal plate that you put between the bumper and winch. Thank you for your time.
Wayalife I’m finally getting around tomorrow and putting on my new LOD front bumper. So I’m watching this video for like the 50th time. To make sure I do it right. Thanks for taking your time and posting this videos. I have the same winch that you have. But waiting till I get my OEM led Headlights to install the rest of the project. It doesn’t seem there’s enough room to have the winch mounted. And still be able to remove the grill. But I won’t get the headlights till April. They are on back ordered.
They made the same LED for the JK (with the standard bumper), it will fit your LOD bumper. I'm running a set in my LOD mid width right now. www.ebay.com/i/332609312137?chn=ps&dispItem=1
The fog lights are a mess. There’s a difference between steel and non-steel, and halogen and led for Sport, and Sahara/Rubicon. Three different screw positions!
I am debating this exact setup vs the Poison Spider crawler bumper for my diesel rubicon, any idea which is better? Any differences? Thanks for the video!
Since making this video, I have found that the LED fogs in the standard plastic bumpers work fine on this bumper. It's only the fogs in the optional steel group Rubicon bumper that doesn't fit and most people won't be doing what we did and get rid of it for something like an LoD bumper.
The stock does look good but man the LoD is way better. Excellent video. Everything right where it should be nothing extra or in the way. Great for viewing although a pet cameo would be nice 👍 (and Cindy doesn’t count! but yeah more of her too, plz)
Is there any Warranty issues now that you have changed the front frame supports from Factory, and what about the light wiring is it made for LEDs they take way less power then the old light's?
Your dealership would need to prove that any modification you made to your Jeep was the caused whatever problem it is that you are trying to have covered under warranty. The LED's take the same amount of power.
Great video as always. I’m excited for more companies coming out with accessories for our JL’s. Oh. And where can I pick up a “waya life” window decal? Thanks
Thanks! And yes, it's great to see more and more companies coming out with stuff. As far as decals go, this link should help you out : www.wayalife.com/store/categories.php?cat=8
I was hoping you would show how to install winch on the stock bumper. Great video as always and thanks for sharing. Please keep the DIY videos coming!! I’m getting more confident and informed working on my Jeep. 🤙🏽
Hello! Was just wondering if you powder coated the bumper before installing? I will be installing mine soon, but not sure if I should add an additional layer. I am already seeing some rusty parts on my EVO tire reinforcer, which is also the same as yours.
Question I have a 2023 Wrangled 2 door Rubicon. Would like to do the same bumper and winch but also would like to tow 4 down are the D rings acceptable to attach a tow bar?
LoD bumpers look nice, but looked like the factory Rubi steel bumper was already cut for taking a winch, so why not use that bumper and maybe add a stinger or bull bar?
Another option utilizing the JL's steel bumper would be JCR Offroad's Winch mount plate, making use of the money already spent on the awesome jeep option, but to each their own. www.quadratec.com/p/jcr-offroad/winch-mount-plate-jeep-wrangler-jl-rubicon-factory-steel-bumper?gclid=CjwKCAjw-6bWBRBiEiwA_K1ZDdtVj50rBdw2N714Y5XlIHf6avKtEuXCWiOxhGU-8dYYdUT_9vBOoBoCYb8QAvD_BwE
I know this is off topic, but I saw that you listed all the torque specs for the JL-Thank you. Im a bit confused though....Some say 100 flbs + 50, like the control arms. Why? Why not just an actual number without degrees? And how can I torque that accurately?
Apparently, you are referring to the torque specs that I've posted up here: jlwrangler.com/showthread.php?1167-JL-WRANGLER-TORQUE-SETTINGS-Quick-Reference-Guide What you're seeing are what FCA has listed in their specs. I could tell you what I set my bolts to but I wouldn't want to be held responsible if something went wrong.
190 is what I set my front lower control arm bolts as they are considerably bigger than the ones on a JK. I should note that the front upper arms use the same size bolts as a JK and the same is true of the rear upper and lower arms.
I would think it would be better if the bolt went in from the top in case the nut came loose from vibration over time, that way the bolt at least stays in the hole some time before it could fall out and be discovered and saved from having bigger issues with the winch itself.
I have a bodygaurd bumper system and a Warn Xeon Platnium winch. It come with a wireless remote. I was wondering your thoughts on using a solenoid from Warn to connect it to a SPOD to turn the winch on or off. I do have a Genesis Full Sized Dual Battery system already which has a Solenoid to switch between batteries should one get low. If I connect it directly to their accessory mount which goes directly to the battery are there any advantages in connecting it to the SPOD for power?
Great video but a bit discouraging for me. I am looking to order a new JL and was trying to decide whether or not to get the factory steel bumpers or aftermarket. Aftermarket is always fun and LOD was at the very top of my list. I just don't understand why they would design, market and sell a front bumper for JLs that does not accept the fog lights that come on a JL. My search continues.
To be fair, this video was made back in 2018. Things change and so has their kit. Give them a call and you will find that you can make it work the the steel bumper fog lights now. Of course, if you order your JL without the steel bumper, the fog lights had always worked.
@@wayalife Thank you. That changes everything. I would not order the steel bumper and then swap it for an LOD. I WOULD buy the JL with the standard bumper and swap that for the LOD.
Ok guys I'm thinking this group is the most knowledgeable about what winch works best. I have a 16 Rubicon and will be doing some pretty thick mudding & possibly steep rocky terrain... What are your suggestions?
@@scottkinderdine3317 A snatch block is a pulley. It'll allow you to double up your line and give you more pulling power. That being said, an 8000 should be more than enough for most situations.
Eddie, what made you choose the Zeon over the Zeon Platinum? I’m trying to make that choice myself and not sure if it’s worht the extra money for the platinum. Thanks
I don't think so. The plastic air dam is secured to the factory bumper with plastic push pins and bolts. There is nothing about this setup that would allow you to secure it to it.
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My man has like every tool you can think of.
LOL - that's what doing this for well over 20 years will get you :)
you definitely are good with these videos. focus on the folks that appreciate it, and not the hate bait. keep it up bro
I can't get over just how well these videos are done. Well Filmed.....VERY Fell Explained and easy clear instructions. These should be industry standard when installing equipment. Love this channel !
Thank you :)
I put my front bumper on yesterday, my friend had to fabricate a new bracket for the fuel pump to move it over a bit so the winch would have room as I have a full bumper. Thank goodness my two friends were helping me. Well, have a nice day, have fun!
Just installed the same bumper on my wife's JL Rubi this afternoon. It had the factory plastic bumper, so the fogs fit no problem. The only thing I did differently, was to use the bolts to attach the skid plate cross member to the frame, then use the button head bolts to attach the skid plate to the bumper and cross member. Now researching winches...
Great video's, nice to see the different bumper options and most excellent how to instructions on you tube! Thank you for posting, keep up the good work
Glad you enjoyed it!
JL journal is fast becoming my favorite series :D
Thank you! We're so glad to hear it :)
You have a knack for making these installations look easy.
always a delight watching the videos. You make a lot of things i thought are complicated look easy peasy...Thanks for the video!!
LOL!! Glad to hear it :)
always exciting getting a new winch
The *puck* is actually called a wedge for holding the rope ;) we use em all the time to tie our lines when working with cranes ;) i'm a crane operator ! good install, why the LOD ?
Too funny. If anything, I would have called it a "wedge" but in the WARN instructions, they called it a "puck". Went with LoD for a few reasons. For one, we really wanted to have a winch for EJS and for two, they're friends of ours and were able to help us out in a pinch.
This is a great channel, I learn a ton.
Thank you :)
Great Video, Very Informative. I just ordered my Destroyer Bumper and Im sure I’ll be playing this video as I do my install. Thank you very Much!!!!
Glad our video was of help to you :)
Great video , I’ve been having a hard time deciding what bumper to go with but you definitely just sold me on this one
Awesome
Nice job getting the camera into all the small areas so we can see what is going on!
Thank you, it does take work and we appreciate you recognizing as much :)
Glad you got a WARN winch. Stay classy my friends.
Great channel really enjoy the vids.
Thank you, we're so glad to hear it :)
This video helped me out so much installing my Mid LOD Signature series bumper. Thank you for going into the detail that you did.
Awesome, Glad it helped!
Eddie, you installed that bumper and winch like you’ve done it a hundred times before. Once again, top notch video. Thank you !
How many bumpers would you say you’ve swapped in your days??
LOL - so glad that the video was helpful to you. Over the last 20+ years, I've installed quite a few front and rear bumpers on a LOT of different Jeeps.
Thank you. I used this info to install my 12-S. I got the same LOD stubby on my JLU really like it.
Awesome
of course, I'd rather see you use the original steel bumper, since it's already awesome, but I bet many people who got the plastic bumpers will find this helpful. I'm super happy with my stock steel bumper and I don't think I'll ever change it. I will remove the the ends and add a brush bar, winch and lights though. So many options available. such a fun truck.
Your videos are very informative appreciate your time spent on giving us some good material thx keep up the good work OlllllO
Thank you, we're so glad to hear our videos have been helpful to you :)
Thank you I have been watching your build; have seen all of your videos. Great for a “newbie” like me.
Thanks again.
Glad to hear you've been enjoying our videos :)
Thank you so much for the updates. Please tell us what you do about the fog lights. these videos help a lot.
I bought a set of LED bulbs amzn.to/2uShM0I
Best Tech/How To Videos Out There!!! Thanks for sharing!
LOL!! Thanks Billy :)
Wayalife hey for an untechy guy like me these all help. From the Jk to the JL. May need you to get boned up on Surburban videos for me too..lol
Go get led fog light from factory for a newer jk it’ll bolt right up
No need. I got LED bulbs for the JK fogs I installed and they work great.
Wayalife awesome! Love the jeeps and love the content. Keep up the great work. Jealous of all your builds 👍🏻🇺🇸
Aloha from HAWAII, Ed. Once again thank you for the informative video. I was able to install my new WARN Zeon winch to my new JL Rubicon. Chee Hoooo \m/
Glad to hear it :)
When I purchase my JL in May, I think this might be the bumper I get. It is a little
Expensive when you add the options, but looks well worth it.
Nice review and great camera work...Kudos
Thank you :)
Thanks for sharing. You give me inspiration for my Jeep build.
Glad to hear it!
I think the LOD bumper looks awesome! Nothing wrong with the stock one either.
Yup, the stock bumper looks great too.
My wife's JLU Rubicon with plastic bumpers and led light group came with the regular bolt pattern for the fog lights. Hadn't seen the 2 bolt design.
It's new for the JL
Good call on the skid plate, sway bar dis is really in the line of fire on those. Looks great! 👍
Yeah, I actually like the look of the bumper better without the skid but, as you've noted, the swaybar disco motor is really a rock target.
Thanks for the instructional install video. The bumper looks great. I have a LoD bumper on my 2010 JKUR and it has held up well. The finish on it has also held up well. They make a great product.
Another enjoyable made easy video. Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it
My build for my 18 Rubicon JL is 2.5” RC spacer lift and 37” tires, was wondering how much drop or sag happened with weight of bumper and heavy Winch? I added a additional 3/4” RC spacer to the front and from before and after measuring found out it was perfect for Red Rock stubby bumper and Smittybilt 9500# rope Winch. It dropped the front exactly the 3/4” so maintained the 2.5” lift. I know the springs will set later but so far happy with the 3/4” spacer.
Been looking at that Milwaukee electric ratchet, looks handy. I have their compact impact thats finally getting pretty worn.
I almost went with the LoD destroyer bumper for my jkur, I went back and forth trying to make up my mind but ended up getting the poison spyder mid width brawler bumper, putting it on this next coming weekend along with my new warn winch
It's gorgeous!
Thank you :)
Great video Eddie! The new JL is well under way with its new mods!! I’m looking forward to making my trip in the spring of 2019. Thinking March. 👍. I hope to be on 35’s and lifted by then.
Thanks and 2019 is just around the corner.
just a though, you maybe able to disassemble the mounting housing for the JL fog lights and mount the JL LED headlights into the JK mounting housing. A good way to save $500.00 on purchasing aftermarket fogs.
It's a good thought but if you look at it carefully, you'll see that the housing is molded plastic and not something you can disassemble. That being said, the LED fog light issue is only an issue with ones that come on the steel bumper group. If you have a plastic bumper, the LED fogs for it should still work just fine. Most people with the steel bumper group will not be swapping it out for a different bumper like I did.
That stinks they are manufactured that way. Good thing for made in china amazon specials, you can get new ones cheap :). True to the bumper comment, that why so many of them trolled you on this video. I wish people would learn that its your jeep, which means you get to build it how you want. If they want to pay you to build it in their style then that's a different story. The JLU looks great and I enjoy your videos. Keep up the great work and I look forward to watching you build this thing out.
LOL!! Thank you for that. I really do appreciate it :)
Great video. You make the install look so easy! Nice addition to Jet Li.
Thanks! It really was that easy :)
Hey Ed, have you found a steel bumper for the JL that works well with the factory LED fog lights??
Please note that the ONLY LED fog lights to have issues are the ones that come in the Rubicon steel bumper. The LED's that come in the standard plastic factory bumpers work fine. ALSO, LoD has since come out with new brackets that do allow for the use of Rubicon steel bumper LEDs.
So glad I found your page I got the same exact jeep!
Glad to hear it :)
Great video. Do you know if this bumper will interfere with a front camera on a JL?
nice work. Not a fan of the button heads for the skid plate, but I don't see why you disconnected the battery.
LOL!! Honestly, I don't know why either. It was just in the instructions and I was following them.
YAY more videos! Keep it coming!
You bet - so glad you're enjoy them :)
How would this work if you have the park sensors??
Sorry, not really sure being that I don't have the parking sensors but I would imagine that LoD sells a bumper that can accommodate them. I would give them a call.
I would love to have your take off bumpers
Great video. Can you do a video discussing pros/cons on manual vs auto for off-roading?
We grew up driving manuals and it's what we know best and in a lot of ways, what we enjoy most BUT I'd be lying if I said there are any pros to wheeling one off road over an automatic. Or at least, for the kind of wheeling we do. Wheeling an automatic is like the difference between wheeling with lockers versus wheeling with open diffs.
First : Nice Videos - thanks for that from Germany. How high is your Jeep JL now ? (Garage entry...)
To the top of the windshield, about 75". No problems getting into a standard garage with a 7' header.
Your videos are poetry! 🎻
And no bleeding knuckles! Great video!
LOL!! Not this time around anyway :)
Great video. I my self like the factory steal bumper and will probably just do a winch mount for it. Not that much rocks around here so don’t need the protection. I love the Milwaukee ratchet. I have one of the new ones that just came out. It replaced my old one which is the one you have. It have a lot more torque. You don’t need to brake the bolt and nuts with a ratchet. Take a look at them the Milwaukee fuel 12v
LOL! Now you have me wanting to buy a new electric ratchet!
Awesome setup. It’s a bummer about those fog lights though.
From what I've been told, the fogs are ONLY different IF you get the steel bumpers. The LED fogs on all the other bumper are the same.
Great video but I like the stock bumper, even though the LOD is wayyyyy beefier. Wish the winch would have been recessed like the stock Rubicon bumper
Looks bad ass. New bumper comes with brackets to fit JK fog lights. Will the same bumper fit JK and JL frame?
Can you mount a winch on/in the factory steel JL bumper or is an aftermarket bumper required?
You can mount it in a steel bumper but you will need a winch plate.
Great video! Now I'm scheming a way to convince my wife that I absolutely need to trade in my JKUR for a new JLUR...
It must be so nice working on a new jeep with bolts that are rusted and seized haha. That bumper looks good 👍
LOL!! Living out west, most of my bolts stay nice and easy to work on even on our older Jeeps. Okay, well, our really old Jeeps need some help :)
Lol...my thinking as well while watching. Just one nut/bolt can be a huge undertaking lasting hours or even days on my 37 year old CJ.
Brian K Kinney haha yeah it's always the smallest thing that holds up the project.
I was thinking the same thing! Even when my ZJ was fairly new, wrenching on it in New England was a PITA.
Eddie, does the winch require a fuse installed inline with the power cable? Recently saw someone that cut the end off the power cable and put an inline fuse in. I've never seen anyone else do that though. Any thoughts? thanks in advance!
I was gonna order this but I'm not sure if my foglights from my 21 wrangler sport altitude will fit.
It's only the steel bumper fog lights that won't fit. You should be fine.
Thanks for swift response!!
I will probably order the LOD.
Are you sticking with keeping the rear bumper off?
I'd really like to. I'm not crazy about loading down the rear end with a super heavy rear bumper.
Hey, Wayalife I bought the LOD bumpers for my Jeep last year and this weekend I’m going to put the front one on. Last year I put the back one on. I like them. Good video by the way. Thank you.
Congrats to you on getting new LoD Bumpers.
Eddie, can that bumper be bought locally near us? Carson or Reno? I like it.
Unfortunately, I don't think so. LoD is located in Indiana and I don't know if they have a distribution network out here.
Much nicer looking and stronger than the stock bumper. Just kind of disappointed that LOD didn't think through the LED fog light mounting option for JL owners.
In truth, it really wasn't their fault. The LED fogs on the standard plastic bumper are the same as what we installed. It's only on the optional steel bumper that the fogs are different and they're working on a new bracket for it.
Wayalife ahhh ok very good. Looks great either way.
After having the LOD bumper and rock rails for a while i would like to here you thoughts on durability. I'm thinking of buying the LOD destroyer rock rail and front bumper.
So far so good. They've been holding up well for us and doing a good job of protecting our JL.
Great video. You said you still need to pretension the winch line? What does that mean?
It's helpful to pre-stretch synthetic winch rope prior to use. Basically, real in the rope with some weight behind it. I'll try to do a video of this.
Wayalife thank you...
Would you know where I could buy the fairlead mount. I'm talking about the extra metal plate that you put between the bumper and winch. Thank you for your time.
The LoD bumper should come with one. Mine didn't but it was by mistake.
Wayalife ok gotcha
Wayalife I’m finally getting around tomorrow and putting on my new LOD front bumper. So I’m watching this video for like the 50th time. To make sure I do it right. Thanks for taking your time and posting this videos. I have the same winch that you have. But waiting till I get my OEM led Headlights to install the rest of the project. It doesn’t seem there’s enough room to have the winch mounted. And still be able to remove the grill. But I won’t get the headlights till April. They are on back ordered.
Can I have that Rubicon front bumper for my 2020 Sahara Unlimited?
Another great video, shame you couldn’t re-use the new JL LED lights.
I talked to LoD and they're working on it. Apparently, their Sport didn't come with LED lights so they just didn't know. We're all learning together.
Wayalife the non metal bumpers have the standard fog light design whether led or standard. Looks like jeep changed it for just the steel bumpers.
Thanks for the heads up. I was wondering about this.
They made the same LED for the JK (with the standard bumper), it will fit your LOD bumper. I'm running a set in my LOD mid width right now.
www.ebay.com/i/332609312137?chn=ps&dispItem=1
The fog lights are a mess. There’s a difference between steel and non-steel, and halogen and led for Sport, and Sahara/Rubicon. Three different screw positions!
I am debating this exact setup vs the Poison Spider crawler bumper for my diesel rubicon, any idea which is better? Any differences? Thanks for the video!
Aside from looks, which is pretty similar too, they're both about the same. PS is made by 4WP and LoD is made by a guy in Indiana.
Going backwards I would wait until the bumper manufacturer caught up to. 2018 and made the bumper work with all the new stuff from 2018 jepps
Since making this video, I have found that the LED fogs in the standard plastic bumpers work fine on this bumper. It's only the fogs in the optional steel group Rubicon bumper that doesn't fit and most people won't be doing what we did and get rid of it for something like an LoD bumper.
Great install video and I like the aftermarket bumper much better than the stock one.
Thanks! :)
The stock does look good but man the LoD is way better. Excellent video. Everything right where it should be nothing extra or in the way. Great for viewing although a pet cameo would be nice 👍 (and Cindy doesn’t count! but yeah more of her too, plz)
LOL - glad you like what you see and if you're referring to Tessa, we'll have to get her in sometime :)
This is a bad bisssshhh I love itttttt you def have skills n talent
So would you recommend By using steel bumper or rear bumper. Less damage if a an occasion on a wreck?
Now for a MOAB video with this JL in Action :)
LOL!! It's in the works now.
Excellent video. Many thanks for sharing.
You bet, glad you enjoyed it :)
Is there any Warranty issues now that you have changed the front frame supports from Factory, and what about the light wiring is it made for LEDs they take way less power then the old light's?
Your dealership would need to prove that any modification you made to your Jeep was the caused whatever problem it is that you are trying to have covered under warranty. The LED's take the same amount of power.
Great video as always. I’m excited for more companies coming out with accessories for our JL’s. Oh. And where can I pick up a “waya life” window decal? Thanks
Thanks! And yes, it's great to see more and more companies coming out with stuff. As far as decals go, this link should help you out : www.wayalife.com/store/categories.php?cat=8
Never mind. Google is my friend. Haha. Keep up the great work on the vids. Hopefully we run into you guys one of these days.
I want your life lol. So many unbelievablely expensive jeeps!
I was hoping you would show how to install winch on the stock bumper. Great video as always and thanks for sharing. Please keep the DIY videos coming!! I’m getting more confident and informed working on my Jeep. 🤙🏽
Sorry, we needed a solution for carrying a winch before heading out to Moab. This was the best option we could come up with at the time.
Hello! Was just wondering if you powder coated the bumper before installing? I will be installing mine soon, but not sure if I should add an additional layer. I am already seeing some rusty parts on my EVO tire reinforcer, which is also the same as yours.
Nope, I just installed it as is.
Question I have a 2023 Wrangled 2 door Rubicon. Would like to do the same bumper and winch but also would like to tow 4 down are the D rings acceptable to attach a tow bar?
Sorry, not 100% sure about fitment but strength is all there.
LoD bumpers look nice, but looked like the factory Rubi steel bumper was already cut for taking a winch, so why not use that bumper and maybe add a stinger or bull bar?
I dunno, maybe because we could. We still might try the factory bumper again someday.
Then why buy the $1,295 steel bumper group option.
Because we love the look of it. Or at least, the front bumper anyway. We haven't gotten rid of it and we may still re-install it someday.
Another option utilizing the JL's steel bumper would be JCR Offroad's Winch mount plate, making use of the money already spent on the awesome jeep option, but to each their own.
www.quadratec.com/p/jcr-offroad/winch-mount-plate-jeep-wrangler-jl-rubicon-factory-steel-bumper?gclid=CjwKCAjw-6bWBRBiEiwA_K1ZDdtVj50rBdw2N714Y5XlIHf6avKtEuXCWiOxhGU-8dYYdUT_9vBOoBoCYb8QAvD_BwE
Yup, that is another option and clearly, one you should pursue.
Probably not paying as much as getting paid to promote for Jeep, Warn, LoD, etc.
@@dylancox8349 There are many complaints that JCR plates aren’t strong enough and they bend.
I know this is off topic, but I saw that you listed all the torque specs for the JL-Thank you. Im a bit confused though....Some say 100 flbs + 50, like the control arms. Why? Why not just an actual number without degrees? And how can I torque that accurately?
Apparently, you are referring to the torque specs that I've posted up here: jlwrangler.com/showthread.php?1167-JL-WRANGLER-TORQUE-SETTINGS-Quick-Reference-Guide
What you're seeing are what FCA has listed in their specs. I could tell you what I set my bolts to but I wouldn't want to be held responsible if something went wrong.
Wayalife Well regardless, it’s a bit confusing. The Mopar kit says 190... That’s quite a bit more than the JK.
190 is what I set my front lower control arm bolts as they are considerably bigger than the ones on a JK. I should note that the front upper arms use the same size bolts as a JK and the same is true of the rear upper and lower arms.
Wayalife Thank you Sir!
I would think it would be better if the bolt went in from the top in case the nut came loose from vibration over time, that way the bolt at least stays in the hole some time before it could fall out and be discovered and saved from having bigger issues with the winch itself.
I have been doing this for over 25 years now. During that time, I have NEVER seen a winch bolt come loose.
That front bumper looks great with the high fenders. What are the plans to replace that hideous rear bumper??
LOL!! For now, just remove the damn thing.
Can you add info about the cost of these installs and where to buy them?
You make it look so easy.
such a beauty
what did you do with your factory bumper. I cant seem to find one like that for sale
I have a bodygaurd bumper system and a Warn Xeon Platnium winch. It come with a wireless remote. I was wondering your thoughts on using a solenoid from Warn to connect it to a SPOD to turn the winch on or off. I do have a Genesis Full Sized Dual Battery system already which has a Solenoid to switch between batteries should one get low. If I connect it directly to their accessory mount which goes directly to the battery are there any advantages in connecting it to the SPOD for power?
Personally, I prefer using the old school wired connection. That way, I can hand it off to someone else if the need arises.
@@wayalife Thanks, that will save me some headaches. As always, I appreciate your response. 🤠👍
Great video but a bit discouraging for me. I am looking to order a new JL and was trying to decide whether or not to get the factory steel bumpers or aftermarket. Aftermarket is always fun and LOD was at the very top of my list.
I just don't understand why they would design, market and sell a front bumper for JLs that does not accept the fog lights that come on a JL. My search continues.
To be fair, this video was made back in 2018. Things change and so has their kit. Give them a call and you will find that you can make it work the the steel bumper fog lights now. Of course, if you order your JL without the steel bumper, the fog lights had always worked.
@@wayalife Thank you. That changes everything. I would not order the steel bumper and then swap it for an LOD. I WOULD buy the JL with the standard bumper and swap that for the LOD.
Beautiful JL! Forces me to second guess my decision to go with granite.
Ok guys I'm thinking this group is the most knowledgeable about what winch works best. I have a 16 Rubicon and will be doing some pretty thick mudding & possibly steep rocky terrain... What are your suggestions?
Scott Kinderdine warn is the only brand I trust.
Do you feel 8000 pounds is enough?
In my opinion, yes. If you need more pulling power, a snatch block will help out and get the job done.
I guess I need to look up that video... Have no idea what a snatch block does & I'm not going to pretend I do lol.
@@scottkinderdine3317 A snatch block is a pulley. It'll allow you to double up your line and give you more pulling power. That being said, an 8000 should be more than enough for most situations.
Eddie, what made you choose the Zeon over the Zeon Platinum? I’m trying to make that choice myself and not sure if it’s worht the extra money for the platinum. Thanks
The idea of a wireless winch is nice but far from something I've ever needed in the last 20+ years.
Thanks Eddie. Also, love the videos.
Can you use this bumper with the stock plastic skid plate?
I don't think so. The plastic air dam is secured to the factory bumper with plastic push pins and bolts. There is nothing about this setup that would allow you to secure it to it.