To everyone who comments that there are at least two sharknoses in preservation: these are NOT the same classes that im referring to in this video. The surviving sharknoses have 4 axles (RF-16, with only two surviving examples instead of five). Meanwhile, the sharknoses mentioned in this video (DR-6) have six axles with no surviving examples, and are therefore different classes of locomotives.
This is probably the first and only list I've seen so far on extinct Diesel locomotives, and it included several diesels I haven't heard about. It's great for me to see a railroad youtuber giving Diesels some more love and respect. Because whenever it comes to locomotives fictional or realistic, Diesels pretty much always get trashed on compared to Steam and Electric locomotives. Great job man on giving Diesels a chance to shine.
Steam locomotives are marvels to see, but they were before my time. It's the early diesel engines that I so fondly remember. Kudos for this interesting video.
As someone with experience with visual design, it makes sense that steam locomotives are far more popular. While diesel-electrics outperform steam loks in almost every way, they lack that distinctive silhouette of the latter. Diesel-electrics (and diesel-hydraulics) often have very boxy designs that make them look very similar to each other and seem like "soulless boxes." Of course, some diesels, such as the British Railways Class 04, have silhouettes closer to steam loks and thus may seem more visually appealing--but they are one of the exceptions. The importance of silhouettes in visual design is likely a big reason why many countries still use the image of a steam locomotive for railroad-crossing signs. It's worth noting that the Japanese actually have a deep appreciation for non-steam locomotives (although it's mostly for electrics.)
Yeah!! My hometown fallen flag was the first featured! The Atlantic & East Carolina was based in New Bern, NC. It was also known as The Tobacco Belt Route, and The Mullet Line. Thanks.
Number boards on F3, F5 and F7 locomotives were down to railroad choice, PRR specified the smaller version until it changed to the larger version for its later F7s. NYC had large boards on all of its F units. Therefore you can't tell an F2 from an F3 by the number boards. The F2 was produced specifically to work with existing FT locomotives, so had the older machinery in the newer car body. It meant that the train crews and shop forces had only one kind of equipment to deal with.
The F3 prototype was built in 1945, but problems with the generator delayed it's production, so the F2 was produced as a stop gap utilizing the generator from the FT.
If you want to see some first gen diesels in action go to the Ontario Southland Railway in Salford, Ontario. Their newest locomotives were a set of ex-BCOL M-420Ws built in 1973, but those were sold off leaving a 1968 RS-18 as their next newest. Their oldest is an EMD NW2 built in 1947. Plus they have 3 FP9ARMs which are just gorgeous.
I seems that a lot of EMD's earlier road switchers got wiped and don't get much love. Like the SD24 and SD26 for example, only two SD24's exist; one being in poor condition. And the last SD26 was scrapped in 2012. They have a really fun charm to them that I feel like nobody recognizes. Great video though!
Thankfully, the other SD24 is lovingly restored in Chinese red and grey at the Illinois Railway Museum. I've ridden behind it, got that classic EMD turbo whine.
The only other SD24 other than the CB&Q unit is in Green Bay. Being once owned by WC and survived well until the CN merger in 2001. It was donated to the National Railroad Museum but currently is in terrible shape. Ironically, it was also originally a CB&Q SD24.
Nice vid. I especially liked the segment on the ALCO DL-109 The New Haven used theirs in both passenger and freight service, passenger by day and freight at night during the war. Therefore they ran the wheels off them. I haven't heard about reliability issues with them though. NH also had a fleet of switchers with that same 539 engine both turbo and N.A. Thanks again !
Many already know about extinct steam locomotives but nobody really talked about extinct diesel locomotives. Thank you for making this, I was wondering if anyone talked about extinct diesels.
This is a fascinating video presentation which is much appreciated by the people. Thank you very much for taking the time to research these locomotives and bringing them to us in this way.
Something about Rugged Trains to me, they are Intimidating and Almost Scary but also Fascinating! Like I sometimes have dreams of Ridiculously Large Alien Trains like the size of Apartments On Rails 😅😱
If you like Baldwins, check out the Belgian HLD51 & 59. They have 10-698 engines built under licence by Cockerill in Belgium, and a few of each are preserved in running condition. Also, I believe that there are still a few ex-Dutch Railways locos running around with Superior engines.
Kinda upset that none of the extinct lima-hamilton diesels didn't make the list but this was very interesting...maybe you should do a top 10 sole survivor American diesel units
@agentorange153 your thinking just lima...when lima merged with hamilton they started diesel production...sadly it was shortlived as they enter the market too late and were absorbed into baldwin...lima hamilton only had 6 models and today only 3 of those models are left between 4 surviving diesels...i have the pleasure to work around 3 of the survivors, 2 of which are operational
13:16 fun fact these Cabover locomotives would Kind off inspired GE to build the NR class here in Australia but the train is a little bit shorter in height, and Length
Glad to see someone making a video remembering the extinct diesels, I love steam engines but I feel they get a bit too much attention over the extinct diesels and electrics
The surviving sharknoses have 4 axles (RF-16, with only two surviving examples instead of five). Meanwhile, the sharknoses mentioned in this video (DR-6) have six axles with no surviving examples, and are therefore different classes of locomotives.
The Ingalls made switching moves while working its way north from Mobile to McCook Illinois near Chicago. It pulled a freight over Alto Pass which was the second or third steepest grade, east of the Mississippi River, without helpers. The Illinois Railroad museum was interested in purchasing it and offered the chance to buy it for $3000, but couldn’t come up with the money.
RIP the EMD FT. Yeah you had a hard start between the war, the lack of familiarity from crews who had never seen a diesel before, and poor training but you were the first real diesel a lot of roads had, and are the OG streamlined 1950's diesel.
THE REAL THING THAT KILLED THE FT LOCOMOTIVES ON THE SANTA FE WAS THE COOLING FAN AND RADIATOR SHUTTERS BEING MANUALLY CONTROLLED! THE FANS WERE NOT RUN WHILE IDLING AND THE SHUTTERS CLOSED! WHEN CONNECTED TO THE TRAIN AND PULLING THE FANS AND SHUTTERS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE KICKED ON AND OFF AS NEEDED! SOME FIREMEN WERE SLOW TO KICK THE FANS IN WHEN NEEDED AND OVERHEATING RESULTED!! IN COLD WEATHER SOME FIREMEN LEFT THE SHUTTERS OPEN AND FANS ENGAGED WHICH CAUSED THE ENGINES TO RUN TOO COLD! THE FINAL NAIL IN THE FT COFFIN WAS THE TRADE IN PROGRAM WHERE THE WHEELSETS AND THE 16 CYLINDER CRANKSHAFTS WERE USED TO BUILD THE GP 20,30, AND 35 SERIES LOCOMOTIVE ON THE SANTA FE! ORIGINAL ROAD NUMBERS WERE THE 1100 FOR GP 20 1200 FOR GP 30 1300 AND 1400 FOR GP 35!
@@DaimosZ NO , I MEANT THE FT ON THE SANTA FE. I AM UN AWARE OF F2 s ON THE SANTA FE, IF SO THEY MAY HAVE BEEN UPGRADED TO F3 SPECS AND CLASSIFIED AS SO! I STARTED WORKING AT SANTA FE SEPTEMBER 1964, AND WERE NO FTs LEFT THEN!
@@rossbryan6102 one I was commenting on the first persons post. I'm well aware that the Santa Fe didn't host any F2's in their roster. Second can you turn the caps lock off? It's really distracting.
I was hoping to see baldwins, EMD and Fairbanks switchers. Where I used to work, we had over 20. I tried to get a couple of them to the B&O museum in Baltimore, when the company was closing. The company cut them up, “to teach the union a lesson”! A mechanic bought a Fairbanks and a short line picked up a Baldwin. I loved operating the Fairbanks. Very smooth, as long as you had one without flat spots on the wheels!
@@Pensyfan19 I believe I was the last switchman to go on every track and the last one to sand a locomotive. A few years before the shutdown, they replaced All the yard masters and the superintendent with college kids. All maintenance went out the window. College kids know everything! When I was conducting, they would tell me how to set up my train. So the half hour job turned into 2 hours. Don’t need to sand the locomotives, when you get hung up, call for a push, but wait 20 minutes. Then the one who is giving you a push, doesn’t get their work done. No switch heaters. Frozen switch? Call for track gang, wait maybe an hour (wait in line for 1 crew to come from other side of the mill), 10 gallons of unleaded gas and a fusee, wait til the flames die down and then you can throw the switch. An hour later, when you come back, it’s frozen again but against you. An average of 3 derailments in an 8 hour shift. There were 8 American locomotive cranes, maybe 3-4 a shift. Oilers were not allowed to service the cranes, “because there was too much work and no time”. I have some pictures and can prove some of what I say. One of the last RR guys to die, happened because of saving money, a week before his retirement!
That sounds like USS. Big corporation that destroys companies and moral. Did it in Hamilton, Ont. Stripped out all the contracts back to U.S, closed the furnace and shipped the cheaper made steel in to finish. Then within a couple of years, filed for bankruptcy and walked away from the union and pensioners scratching at crumbs.
I think that steam locomotives are more interesting because they customized, hand-crafted machines and thus allowing us to compare and contrast locomotives of the same wheel arrangement from different railroads. That being said, I do appreciate you talking about diesels that didn’t make it into preservation.
@@williammacdonald3173 Not really. There's some interesting stuff inside steam loco boilers and firebox. Where as diesels it's pretty much the case of lift out the engine and cut the frames.
Nice to see the diesels get some well deserved love! I can understand why people may turn a blind eye in favor of steam locomotives, whether it be out of spite for them being replaced or due to many famous locomotive classes being completely scrapped in many cases, but that doesn't mean diesels not deserving of some proper attention and love by the community, especially when it comes to the handsome streamlined designs from the 1930s-1960s, as well as the underrated shark nose RF-16's!
It is true that the Sharknose design still exists, but those sharknoses have 4 axles and are a different class than the 6 axle variant mentioned in this list.
@@basicallystupid7080 They don't like railfans. There's a big sign on the Channing depot: "No railfans wanted or needed". I've shot them switching and a few side buildings, and they ignored me. Story is some foamers who were given access stole a bunch of stuff....horns....spark arrestors....stuff railroads keep to reuse. Good luck.
Great video. Here in the UK Preserved British Diesels have a huge following amongst railway enthusiasts, however this didn't start until the mid seventies by which time many types of diesel had already been withdrawn and cut up. Thankfully since then hundreds of classic diesels have been preserved. Unfortunately the general public largely don't share the same enthusiasm, to them all diesels are the same!
@@agentorange153 I was referring to the classic diesels from the 50s and 60s not the modern scene. The classic diesels were produced by multiple manufacturers resulting in locomotives with a vast array of styles, not only did they look quite different but most styles had their own unique engine sound.
I screamed YES when the Centipede was Number 1! I love you dude!❤ Can I use the Seaboard centipede footage for my song about the Centipede + restoration of the footage?❤
@@Pensyfan19 You think crediting is safe enough to use it? (That'd be awsome since my channel is anti-profit and dedicated to old engines and vintage footage)
It should be noted that railroads did want to order the DL-109 in larger numbers, but WW2 was happening at the time and the US War Production board controlled locomotive production and allocation to railroads for the war effort. They considered the DL-109 to be a passenger locomotive (which it was) and thus unsuited for production during a time of war. Somehow, the NH got an exception for theirs as they were considered dual use and were allowed to order 60 units. It's possible they had freight gearing.
If I had a time machine, I'd go back in time to save at least one of each of these engines, without altering time too much. I like steam, but diesels and electrics have their charms.
Great video, thanks! I believe I saw a DL-109 when I was VERY young- around 1970 probably. Does that timeline make sense? Favorite diesels are the BL-2 and the FM Trainmasters.
My Dad grew up in Philly, right on the mainline of the Broadway Limited. His love of the K-4s with its belpaire firebox never wanted. I gave him one in brass from Pacific Fast Mail around 1978. That being said, the Alco PA was every bit as beautiful... As it was unreliable and underpowered.
Great video I learned things and I've been researching my whole life (29). How about some Penn Central love? I am a PRR fan but I love the train wreck PC is
Very logical and consistent. No argument here. It does get me to thinking about the 10 SDL39s built for Milwaukee Road, the Krauss-Maffei units, and the Baldwin Center Cabs. What say you, or anyone?
I didn't know there were American Diesel Locomotive Classes that didn't survived to this day, I thought this was only the case with your Steam and some of your Electric locomotives!
The only locomotives I was familiar with in the list were the incredibly rare Ingalls 4s and Union Pacific U50's and I didn't even know that Baldwin also made diesel locomotives.......
The GM&O historical society issue 42 is dedicated to the 4-S and said it could pull everything out of the yard including the yard office. It made its way from Mobile going north, after being traded and switched cars along the way and went over Alto pass with a train and no helpers before being delivered to Pielet Brothers under its own power.
Isn't it quite a shame, that no DD35 or DD35A is still around? Of course, we still have plenty DDA40Xs left, but I really like the spartan cabs on DD35As.
Top Hat Society/Mercenary Confederation after seeing the Baldwin RP-210 locomotives: “Yes, we can fix those, and use those for our Railroads.” The Top Hat Mercenary Confederation has their own Railroad company that they alone operate. It’s called the Top Hat Rail Company, or just THR. The THR livery for most of their engines are mostly black, with either a Red Front nose, or with a solid red bar going around the whole engine. The THR logo is on the side of all of their engines. The Top Hat Rail Company do have a plethora of other locomotives with other random liveries, but all have the THR logo on their sides. Also, the Baldwin Centipede will also be used by the THR.
nits connected by a drawbar, where 2 FT sets proved to be too much power, but 3 diesels were just right. The FT was first followed by the F-2. The F-2 often was confused with early F-3's since the body style was very similar. It was the upgraded internal machinery that made the F-3 different.
Can I just mention how much fun the vintage big band music makes this to listen to? It’s like listening to an actual documentary from the 1940s with that era-correct music in the background!
Great selection. Difficult to argue against your ten, even though I would rank them differently. But, what I found frustrating was your hasty pace of narration. For folks with youthful hearing, I suspect your pace is fine. But, I struggled with portions of this video as you were reading the script so rapidly that you almost stumbled upon the words. If you could just relax your pace a bit, that would really enhance the experience. The U50s have always been my favorite. I have a couple copies in H0.
i was so screwed up, i actually believed that F units were for freight, and E units were for excursion, but thats not the case, it has to do with horsepower.
The model 539T was an excellent power plant in 1000hp(975 for traction) Models S2, S4 and RS1. They were proven in Military service in Iran and elsewhere.
13:11 Is this when GE entered Diesel Electric locomotive market as a full player rather than supplier? GE seems to have better fortune at exporting by that time period. the U12 series were ordered by two Southeast Asian countries: Phillipines (Front ender hood unit), and Thailand (Locally codenamed GEK, being European style double ender), both of which have the same shovelnose and not raised ones as EMD.
MY FAVORITE WERE THE ALCO'S MADE BY MLW. DURING MY COLLEGE BREAKS I WAS A SPAREBOARD CREWMEMBER OUT OF CPR REVELSTOKE MOUNTAIN SUB. THE 6 AXLE ALCO'S WERE USED ON THE COAL DRAGS. THE ALCO SOUND IS MUSICAL.
I couldn't tell if you consider the F7 extinct or not, the way you combined a lot of the engines. However, the E&LS RR in WI and MI still have a F7 pulling freight. Check out some of Jason Asselin's videos. Look for engine 600. Greg in TN :)
Also, they were not afraid of "transforming" several of their Alcos into EMD-powered units. #621, DL-109 known as "Christine"(named after famous trans-woman Christine Jorgenson), being the best known... They also converted many of their FA frieght locos to EMD prime movers, and even converting several of their Alco RS road switchers by installing the EMD long hood behind the cabs of the RS. They retained the Alco short hood with the cab, which gave them an interesting profile!
To everyone who comments that there are at least two sharknoses in preservation: these are NOT the same classes that im referring to in this video. The surviving sharknoses have 4 axles (RF-16, with only two surviving examples instead of five). Meanwhile, the sharknoses mentioned in this video (DR-6) have six axles with no surviving examples, and are therefore different classes of locomotives.
This is probably the first and only list I've seen so far on extinct Diesel locomotives, and it included several diesels I haven't heard about. It's great for me to see a railroad youtuber giving Diesels some more love and respect. Because whenever it comes to locomotives fictional or realistic, Diesels pretty much always get trashed on compared to Steam and Electric locomotives. Great job man on giving Diesels a chance to shine.
Like them saying The Polar Express is better than Unstoppable, huh. Uncanon!
@@lennoxschannel7484who would prefer t h e p o l a r e x p r e s s
Don't forget the U28CG and U30CH on the Santa Fe.
They were overshadowed by the more well known FP45.
Yep.Would"Unstoppable" been more thrilling with steam engines??
Even though I like steam more than diesel and electric, We need to start giving classic diesels from the 1940s-1960s some praise
I like steam over diesel and electric as well (though slightly), and I fully agree.
exactly.
As much as I agree steam died to fast and not enough of them was saved because of diesels but the classics should be saved
SAME
@@09JDCTrainMan I enjoy both steam and diesel locos being cut up for scrap.
Partial as I am to the early diesel locomotives, I am so glad they finally get their say. It’s about time!!
Steam locomotives are marvels to see, but they were before my time. It's the early diesel engines that I so fondly remember. Kudos for this interesting video.
Totally agree on the centipede! great video!
About time I finally see an Extinct Diesels Video. And i'm glad to see the E2 on here.
I loved this piece, Amazing and again thank you and now I am a subscriber thank again :-)
Those old 50s era trains like the one on the opening for the original Superman tv show look so cool.
Awesome/Amazing and Thank You : )
As someone with experience with visual design, it makes sense that steam locomotives are far more popular. While diesel-electrics outperform steam loks in almost every way, they lack that distinctive silhouette of the latter. Diesel-electrics (and diesel-hydraulics) often have very boxy designs that make them look very similar to each other and seem like "soulless boxes." Of course, some diesels, such as the British Railways Class 04, have silhouettes closer to steam loks and thus may seem more visually appealing--but they are one of the exceptions. The importance of silhouettes in visual design is likely a big reason why many countries still use the image of a steam locomotive for railroad-crossing signs.
It's worth noting that the Japanese actually have a deep appreciation for non-steam locomotives (although it's mostly for electrics.)
Those diesels sure were sleek looking back then just like the cars of the day. Thanks for sharing.
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Thanks for a good video and research behind it! Great info for model train collecting!
Yeah!! My hometown fallen flag was the first featured! The Atlantic & East Carolina was based in New Bern, NC. It was also known as The Tobacco Belt Route, and The Mullet Line. Thanks.
Very enjoyable video that obviously took much study and effort to make. Thanks so much.
Number boards on F3, F5 and F7 locomotives were down to railroad choice, PRR specified the smaller version until it changed to the larger version for its later F7s. NYC had large boards on all of its F units. Therefore you can't tell an F2 from an F3 by the number boards.
The F2 was produced specifically to work with existing FT locomotives, so had the older machinery in the newer car body. It meant that the train crews and shop forces had only one kind of equipment to deal with.
Thank you for the correction and further info.
The F3 prototype was built in 1945, but problems with the generator delayed it's production, so the F2 was produced as a stop gap utilizing the generator from the FT.
Honestly makes me wonder if a group could derate an existing F3 into a "new" F2 by installing a FT generator into it?
@@DaimosZ Theoretically possible, but what's the point???
@@agentorange153 true that
If you want to see some first gen diesels in action go to the Ontario Southland Railway in Salford, Ontario. Their newest locomotives were a set of ex-BCOL M-420Ws built in 1973, but those were sold off leaving a 1968 RS-18 as their next newest. Their oldest is an EMD NW2 built in 1947. Plus they have 3 FP9ARMs which are just gorgeous.
Awesome video! The Baldwin Centipede is a really interesting locomotive. Would definitely love to see more of these videos!
I seems that a lot of EMD's earlier road switchers got wiped and don't get much love. Like the SD24 and SD26 for example, only two SD24's exist; one being in poor condition. And the last SD26 was scrapped in 2012. They have a really fun charm to them that I feel like nobody recognizes. Great video though!
The SD26 is a little bit different though, as it is just a Santa Fe-modified SD24. Sort of like a CF7
That's really cheering us steam engines up if you diesels are going to replace us do a good job at it
Thankfully, the other SD24 is lovingly restored in Chinese red and grey at the Illinois Railway Museum. I've ridden behind it, got that classic EMD turbo whine.
The only other SD24 other than the CB&Q unit is in Green Bay. Being once owned by WC and survived well until the CN merger in 2001. It was donated to the National Railroad Museum but currently is in terrible shape. Ironically, it was also originally a CB&Q SD24.
It's about time that there be a diesel locomotive version
Nice vid. I especially liked the segment on the ALCO DL-109 The New Haven used theirs in both passenger and freight service, passenger by day and freight at night during the war. Therefore they ran the wheels off them. I haven't heard about reliability issues with them though. NH also had a fleet of switchers with that same 539 engine both turbo and N.A. Thanks again !
Many already know about extinct steam locomotives but nobody really talked about extinct diesel locomotives. Thank you for making this, I was wondering if anyone talked about extinct diesels.
Great Video. Very informative and well presented.
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[Poster] i feel as if times just hadnt changed at all, seems like an ad you'd see today, altough *CLASSY*
This is a fascinating video presentation which is much appreciated by the people. Thank you very much for taking the time to research these locomotives and bringing them to us in this way.
Great video! It was a nice change of pace to see some extinct diesels.
I'm not even a train enthusiast, but I still really enjoyed the video and the history lesson, thanks! :D
Excellent top 10 video! Well done.
Something about Rugged Trains to me, they are Intimidating and Almost Scary but also Fascinating!
Like I sometimes have dreams of Ridiculously Large Alien Trains like the size of Apartments On Rails 😅😱
If you like Baldwins, check out the Belgian HLD51 & 59. They have 10-698 engines built under licence by Cockerill in Belgium, and a few of each are preserved in running condition. Also, I believe that there are still a few ex-Dutch Railways locos running around with Superior engines.
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Kinda upset that none of the extinct lima-hamilton diesels didn't make the list but this was very interesting...maybe you should do a top 10 sole survivor American diesel units
I thought Lima-Hamilton only ever built steam trains???
@agentorange153 your thinking just lima...when lima merged with hamilton they started diesel production...sadly it was shortlived as they enter the market too late and were absorbed into baldwin...lima hamilton only had 6 models and today only 3 of those models are left between 4 surviving diesels...i have the pleasure to work around 3 of the survivors, 2 of which are operational
Excellent video and great content. Thanks!
Great video on old diesel locomoaves
Thanks for making this video I wish one of them were preserved
Some pretty cool stuff great video
13:16 fun fact these Cabover locomotives would Kind off inspired GE to build the NR class here in Australia but the train is a little bit shorter in height, and Length
Glad to see someone making a video remembering the extinct diesels, I love steam engines but I feel they get a bit too much attention over the extinct diesels and electrics
When will the diesels ever get a chance to be in the spotlight, I beg to know!!!
I thought I knew my American diesels but this vid is a gold mine of fresh information
Thanks for sharing.Nice locomotives.
A shark nosed locomotive was removed from a yard in escanaba MI last year I don't know where they took it but I hope they to a place for preservation
The surviving sharknoses have 4 axles (RF-16, with only two surviving examples instead of five). Meanwhile, the sharknoses mentioned in this video (DR-6) have six axles with no surviving examples, and are therefore different classes of locomotives.
@@Pensyfan19 I figured that Im just wondering where it ended up
Diesel locomotives are amazing pieces of engineering and I love to see these!
My favourites are the DL-109 and Erie Built. Too bad the Ingalls locomotives never had a chance.
The Ingalls made switching moves while working its way north from Mobile to McCook Illinois near Chicago. It pulled a freight over Alto Pass which was the second or third steepest grade, east of the Mississippi River, without helpers. The Illinois Railroad museum was interested in purchasing it and offered the chance to buy it for $3000, but couldn’t come up with the money.
2:25 these engines creep my out- idfk why-
RIP the EMD FT. Yeah you had a hard start between the war, the lack of familiarity from crews who had never seen a diesel before, and poor training but you were the first real diesel a lot of roads had, and are the OG streamlined 1950's diesel.
THE REAL THING THAT KILLED THE FT LOCOMOTIVES ON THE SANTA FE WAS THE COOLING FAN AND RADIATOR SHUTTERS BEING MANUALLY CONTROLLED!
THE FANS WERE NOT RUN WHILE IDLING AND THE SHUTTERS CLOSED!
WHEN CONNECTED TO THE TRAIN AND PULLING THE FANS AND SHUTTERS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE KICKED ON AND OFF AS NEEDED! SOME FIREMEN WERE SLOW TO KICK THE FANS IN WHEN NEEDED AND OVERHEATING RESULTED!!
IN COLD WEATHER SOME FIREMEN LEFT THE SHUTTERS OPEN AND FANS ENGAGED WHICH CAUSED THE ENGINES TO RUN TOO COLD!
THE FINAL NAIL IN THE FT COFFIN WAS THE TRADE IN PROGRAM
WHERE THE WHEELSETS AND THE 16 CYLINDER CRANKSHAFTS WERE USED TO BUILD THE GP 20,30, AND 35 SERIES LOCOMOTIVE ON THE SANTA FE!
ORIGINAL ROAD NUMBERS WERE THE 1100 FOR GP 20
1200 FOR GP 30
1300 AND 1400 FOR GP 35!
You mean F2. There's a few FT's still in existence
@@DaimosZ NO , I MEANT THE FT
ON THE SANTA FE.
I AM UN AWARE OF F2 s ON THE SANTA FE, IF SO THEY MAY HAVE BEEN UPGRADED TO F3 SPECS
AND CLASSIFIED AS SO!
I STARTED WORKING AT SANTA FE
SEPTEMBER 1964, AND WERE NO FTs LEFT THEN!
@@rossbryan6102 one I was commenting on the first persons post. I'm well aware that the Santa Fe didn't host any F2's in their roster.
Second can you turn the caps lock off? It's really distracting.
@@rossbryan6102 There IS at least one preserved FT (one of the four units of the famous #103), so it does NOT belong on this list!
I was hoping to see baldwins, EMD and Fairbanks switchers. Where I used to work, we had over 20. I tried to get a couple of them to the B&O museum in Baltimore, when the company was closing. The company cut them up, “to teach the union a lesson”! A mechanic bought a Fairbanks and a short line picked up a Baldwin. I loved operating the Fairbanks. Very smooth, as long as you had one without flat spots on the wheels!
Interesting to hear. What railroad was this on with this variety of Baldwins, EMDs and FMs?
@@Pensyfan19 United States Steel- Fairless works. On the Delaware river about 5 miles below Trenton No, but on the Pa side
@@Pensyfan19 I believe I was the last switchman to go on every track and the last one to sand a locomotive. A few years before the shutdown, they replaced All the yard masters and the superintendent with college kids. All maintenance went out the window. College kids know everything! When I was conducting, they would tell me how to set up my train. So the half hour job turned into 2 hours. Don’t need to sand the locomotives, when you get hung up, call for a push, but wait 20 minutes. Then the one who is giving you a push, doesn’t get their work done. No switch heaters. Frozen switch? Call for track gang, wait maybe an hour (wait in line for 1 crew to come from other side of the mill), 10 gallons of unleaded gas and a fusee, wait til the flames die down and then you can throw the switch. An hour later, when you come back, it’s frozen again but against you. An average of 3 derailments in an 8 hour shift. There were 8 American locomotive cranes, maybe 3-4 a shift. Oilers were not allowed to service the cranes, “because there was too much work and no time”. I have some pictures and can prove some of what I say. One of the last RR guys to die, happened because of saving money, a week before his retirement!
That sounds like USS. Big corporation that destroys companies and moral. Did it in Hamilton, Ont. Stripped out all the contracts back to U.S, closed the furnace and shipped the cheaper made steel in to finish. Then within a couple of years, filed for bankruptcy and walked away from the union and pensioners scratching at crumbs.
Awesome video and a suggested for a future video is upon locomotives that only have one of their kind in existence and almost went extinct.
Thank you for fulfilling the search term
Well done sir that seaboard centipede is very cool I have a o gauge model of it and it is one of my favorites
Well done, thanks for sharing. A lot of new faces to myself.
I think that steam locomotives are more interesting because they customized, hand-crafted machines and thus allowing us to compare and contrast locomotives of the same wheel arrangement from different railroads. That being said, I do appreciate you talking about diesels that didn’t make it into preservation.
Even I, a diehard steam buff, have a soft spot for classic diesels and anything just a bit more interesting
@@TailsFan369no2 I like watching scrapping videos for both. Steam locos are more fun to scrap though.
@@PreservationEnthusiast that's weird
@@williammacdonald3173 Not really. There's some interesting stuff inside steam loco boilers and firebox. Where as diesels it's pretty much the case of lift out the engine and cut the frames.
Nice to see the diesels get some well deserved love! I can understand why people may turn a blind eye in favor of steam locomotives, whether it be out of spite for them being replaced or due to many famous locomotive classes being completely scrapped in many cases, but that doesn't mean diesels not deserving of some proper attention and love by the community, especially when it comes to the handsome streamlined designs from the 1930s-1960s, as well as the underrated shark nose RF-16's!
😮 great video
The Baldwin Sharknose isn't extinct, the last two in existence are in storage on the Escanaba & Lake Superior RR in Michigan.
It is true that the Sharknose design still exists, but those sharknoses have 4 axles and are a different class than the 6 axle variant mentioned in this list.
The BP-20 and the RF-16 are not the same thing. The BP-2000 is in my opinion a better looking and better proportional engine.
Agree, plus it’s 80 ft long instead of 55 ft.
wait i live in michi-
*sigh*
where are my bags,
@@basicallystupid7080
They don't like railfans. There's a big sign on the Channing depot: "No railfans wanted or needed". I've shot them switching and a few side buildings, and they ignored me. Story is some foamers who were given access stole a bunch of stuff....horns....spark arrestors....stuff railroads keep to reuse. Good luck.
This was a great video you should make a pt2
Great video. Here in the UK Preserved British Diesels have a huge following amongst railway enthusiasts, however this didn't start until the mid seventies by which time many types of diesel had already been withdrawn and cut up. Thankfully since then hundreds of classic diesels have been preserved. Unfortunately the general public largely don't share the same enthusiasm, to them all diesels are the same!
Maybe because, unlike American diesels, most of the British ones (with a few exceptions here and there) look almost the same on the outside?
@@agentorange153 I was referring to the classic diesels from the 50s and 60s not the modern scene. The classic diesels were produced by multiple manufacturers resulting in locomotives with a vast array of styles, not only did they look quite different but most styles had their own unique engine sound.
I screamed YES when the Centipede was Number 1! I love you dude!❤
Can I use the Seaboard centipede footage for my song about the Centipede + restoration of the footage?❤
I got the footage from Periscope films, so it's not mine. Namely, I found it from this video: m.th-cam.com/video/CMClIcOpuB8/w-d-xo.html=1092s
@@Pensyfan19 How were you able to use it?
@ALCO-C855-fan Screen recorder. Also give credit to Periscope Films on the video itself or in the credits.
@@Pensyfan19 You think crediting is safe enough to use it? (That'd be awsome since my channel is anti-profit and dedicated to old engines and vintage footage)
@ALCO-C855-fan I believe so. It should also fall under fair use since you're using tue stock footage for educational purposes.
Very well done loved the History
Nice research and presentation....!!!!
It should be noted that railroads did want to order the DL-109 in larger numbers, but WW2 was happening at the time and the US War Production board controlled locomotive production and allocation to railroads for the war effort. They considered the DL-109 to be a passenger locomotive (which it was) and thus unsuited for production during a time of war. Somehow, the NH got an exception for theirs as they were considered dual use and were allowed to order 60 units. It's possible they had freight gearing.
The NH ran passenger trains in the day, and freight at night during WWII with the DL109. It was a workhorse.
same with PRR
If I had a time machine, I'd go back in time to save at least one of each of these engines, without altering time too much. I like steam, but diesels and electrics have their charms.
Great video, thanks! I believe I saw a DL-109 when I was VERY young- around 1970 probably. Does that timeline make sense? Favorite diesels are the BL-2 and the FM Trainmasters.
As a person who lives in rock island, there is a lot of trains and train yards but no museum. And that's kinda strange to me
The last as best for that crazy, complex, repair-nightmare wheel arrangement comes as no surprise.
The DR6-21000 looks as if a GTEL unit and a EMD F7 had a baby
Cool video. It's kind of sad some of the more unique diesels didn't end up being preserved.
500th comment! Btw great video 👍👍👍
Thanks, and congratulations! I believe this might be my first video with over 500 comments.
You should do a video on soul surviving steam locomotives and one on soul surviving diesel locomotives
One of my favorite extinct diesel locomotives is the SD80MAC. I wish they were saved.
My Dad grew up in Philly, right on the mainline of the Broadway Limited. His love of the K-4s with its belpaire firebox never wanted. I gave him one in brass from Pacific Fast Mail around 1978. That being said, the Alco PA was every bit as beautiful...
As it was unreliable and underpowered.
Not to mention dirty -- if you've ever seen how much smoke it made when accelerating, you'll never forget it!
Great video I learned things and I've been researching my whole life (29). How about some Penn Central love? I am a PRR fan but I love the train wreck PC is
12:36. Illinois Railroad Museum. The sign above the engine is from the Cass City depot on the abandoned Pontiac, Oxford and Northern.
Cool video! I love steam locos but i really like diesels
I'm a train and I approve this video! :D
very enjoyable, thanks
No switch engines were mentioned as these were some of the first diesels adopted by the railroads. Also, box-cabs were omitted
Awesome awesome video
Very logical and consistent. No argument here. It does get me to thinking about the 10 SDL39s built for Milwaukee Road, the Krauss-Maffei units, and the Baldwin Center Cabs. What say you, or anyone?
Aren’t there some SDL39s in Korea?
I will admit that I didn’t expect the Centipedes to make it to #1, but I can understand why.
I was expecting the dd35 to make the list, but i was pleasantly surprised by the centipedes
@@_zoreo oh yea forgot about the dd35
I didn't know there were American Diesel Locomotive Classes that didn't survived to this day, I thought this was only the case with your Steam and some of your Electric locomotives!
There was SF4-6 for the City of San Francisco.
The only locomotives I was familiar with in the list were the incredibly rare Ingalls 4s and Union Pacific U50's and I didn't even know that Baldwin also made diesel locomotives.......
The company was Ingalls (ING-guls, not In-GALS), and the 4-S spent most of its time around Mobile (Mo-beel, not Mo-BILE), Alabama.
Thank you for the correct pronunciations (excuse my northeastern accent.)
The GM&O historical society issue 42 is dedicated to the 4-S and said it could pull everything out of the yard including the yard office. It made its way from Mobile going north, after being traded and switched cars along the way and went over Alto pass with a train and no helpers before being delivered to Pielet Brothers under its own power.
Isn't it quite a shame, that no DD35 or DD35A is still around? Of course, we still have plenty DDA40Xs left, but I really like the spartan cabs on DD35As.
Top Hat Society/Mercenary Confederation after seeing the Baldwin RP-210 locomotives:
“Yes, we can fix those, and use those for our Railroads.”
The Top Hat Mercenary Confederation has their own Railroad company that they alone operate. It’s called the Top Hat Rail Company, or just THR. The THR livery for most of their engines are mostly black, with either a Red Front nose, or with a solid red bar going around the whole engine. The THR logo is on the side of all of their engines. The Top Hat Rail Company do have a plethora of other locomotives with other random liveries, but all have the THR logo on their sides.
Also, the Baldwin Centipede will also be used by the THR.
nits connected by a drawbar, where 2 FT sets proved to be too much power, but 3 diesels were just right. The FT was first followed by the F-2. The F-2 often was confused with early F-3's since the body style was very similar. It was the upgraded internal machinery that made the F-3 different.
Can I just mention how much fun the vintage big band music makes this to listen to? It’s like listening to an actual documentary from the 1940s with that era-correct music in the background!
Great selection. Difficult to argue against your ten, even though I would rank them differently. But, what I found frustrating was your hasty pace of narration. For folks with youthful hearing, I suspect your pace is fine. But, I struggled with portions of this video as you were reading the script so rapidly that you almost stumbled upon the words. If you could just relax your pace a bit, that would really enhance the experience.
The U50s have always been my favorite. I have a couple copies in H0.
Out of all the diesel engines shown, my favorites would be the EMC TA, ingalls 4S, and the Baldwin centipede and DR6-4-2000 (the double ended veesion)
i was so screwed up, i actually believed that F units were for freight, and E units were for excursion, but thats not the case, it has to do with horsepower.
Honestly, the U50 is probably my favorite type of diesel engine due to its strange aesthetic.
The model 539T was an excellent power plant in 1000hp(975 for traction) Models S2, S4 and RS1. They were proven in Military service in Iran and elsewhere.
13:11 Is this when GE entered Diesel Electric locomotive market as a full player rather than supplier? GE seems to have better fortune at exporting by that time period. the U12 series were ordered by two Southeast Asian countries: Phillipines (Front ender hood unit), and Thailand (Locally codenamed GEK, being European style double ender), both of which have the same shovelnose and not raised ones as EMD.
I just got recommended this but I'm already staying
MY FAVORITE WERE THE ALCO'S MADE BY MLW. DURING MY COLLEGE BREAKS I WAS A SPAREBOARD CREWMEMBER OUT OF CPR REVELSTOKE MOUNTAIN SUB. THE 6 AXLE ALCO'S WERE USED ON THE COAL DRAGS. THE ALCO SOUND IS MUSICAL.
The first one was my really most favorite train
I couldn't tell if you consider the F7 extinct or not, the way you combined a lot of the engines. However, the E&LS RR in WI and MI still have a F7 pulling freight. Check out some of Jason Asselin's videos. Look for engine 600. Greg in TN :)
I know that the F7 is alive and well. I don't think I listed enough differences between the F2 and the F7.
TH-cam, THIS IS WHAT I MEANT BY RARE DIESEL ENGINES
The Rock Island had a flair for the weird, nice to see they made this list several times...
Also, they were not afraid of "transforming" several of their Alcos into EMD-powered units. #621, DL-109 known as "Christine"(named after famous trans-woman Christine Jorgenson), being the best known... They also converted many of their FA frieght locos to EMD prime movers, and even converting several of their Alco RS road switchers by installing the EMD long hood behind the cabs of the RS. They retained the Alco short hood with the cab, which gave them an interesting profile!