This Mistake Cost 16 Skydivers Their Lives (Lake Erie Disaster)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 พ.ค. 2023
- The in-depth story of the Lake Erie Skydiving Disaster 1967.
Twenty skydivers eagerly board a World War Two Bomber plane for a complimentary high-altitude jump. Little do they know it would turn into the deadliest disaster in the history of recreational skydiving. As the plane ascends, they prepare for the exhilarating jump. But then, the weather worsens, and a thick layer of clouds engulfs the sky. Despite the golden rule of skydiving - "don't jump if you can't see the target" - the thrill-seekers leap into the abyss below, and sixteen fall to their deaths in the cold waters of Lake Erie in Ohio.
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The "unhelpful" guy in the fishing boat probably didn't even see the person in the water. Its notoriously difficult to spot somebody bobbing up and down with the waves.
there were probably parachutes and debris everywhere so they must have known some accidents have happened
@@dislikebutton102nah. If I saw junk in the water, I wouldn't go searching for human life.
@@dislikebutton102 Also have to consider eyesight. Like for me if I'm looking at something without my glasses I most likely didn't really see even if it looks like I looked directly at it. Not to mention it sounds like the weather was pretty bad that day making the visibility low
@@dislikebutton102 well that would make it even harder to spot a person
The narrator said less than 20 yards away so obviously you can hear him
I have to feel some sympathy for the pilot in this tragedy. He was wrongly identified by ATC, guided to an incorrect position, the skydivers then broke their own cardinal rule by electing to jump without having visual contact with the ground. I'm not sure what the pilot could have done to alter the outcome.
The pilot has final authority over the jump and can cancel it by not turning on the green light or turning it back to red.
@@terrysullivan1992 it's not a military jump lol
@@terrysullivan1992 yeah dude, paratroopers and skydivers are not the same thing. This is just a pilot hired to fly the plane, or a hired plane.
@@yaobikuni1349 how would checking the map help? This happened in 1967 and in a plane from 1941. there isn't a gps. The map isnt going to say where the plane is, the only way they could know where they are on the map is if ATC told them. You said it like they could have just paused and opened the map, looked at the player icon, then marked a way point to follow on thier mini map lol.
@@yaobikuni1349 As a professional pilot for 35 years I can tell you that we are often routed according to ATC instructions, this might have been even more common back in pre GPS days. In this case, the pilot would have been told that he'd been identified by radar and given a heading, we don't sit there debating with ATC about how positive they are regarding identification.
The jump was canceled earlier in the day for obvious reasons and should have remained canceled. The insistence to push on despite the danger created the problem. A very sad event.
You are correct.
It's hard to tell a thrill addict they have to wait for their fix.
@@jimjam51075 Hence why "adrenaline" junkies don't die of old age.
@@gobby2127 And I wasn't even being disparaging. It's simply what a lot of these guys and gals are. Plus, about half make Tony Montana look like a dabbler...
I knew a wingsuit diver who is a breed above most of the regular jumpers. I just couldn't keep up with his lifestyle like his jump buddies could. Just had to cut him out of my life, especially concerning my Tony Montana reference and like you said, I don't want to have to be around for the inevitable splat before 60.
Yea, it really wasn’t smart at all.
The pilot did regain his certificate and was one of my instructors for IFR, Com, and CFI tickets. He had a tremendous flight record prior to this. IIRC...he was a CAT pilot for one of the govt. agencies. He did tell me that he had already determined his position using time/speed/etc and the early VOR out of Cleveland and ATC had been notified. Great pilot, humble man.
I’m relieved to hear that he got his certificate back. Given the technology of the time I find it hard to blame the pilot for this.
Well he obviously didn’t determine the correct position
Why didn't the TH-camr tell us that he just said he lost it and never got it back
@@everythingpony I think the original video was hasty. Flying privileges get revoked but are fairly easy to get back once you address the FAA's concerns. OP must not have followed up on his personal life.
He was my uncle working at nintendo as well.
As a sky diver myself, I found this to be such a tragedy. But like my pilot instructor (my dad actually) said: FAA regulations came from people dying...
Every safety regulation is written in blood.
Sad but true.
That’s completely true. That’s also why they invented the ADD as well
Regulations are written in blood.
Nothing changes until something bad happens
Lake erie is much more brutal than most people think. The water is almost always cold, and its dark, hard to see anything more than a few inches. The waves on low wind days can still mess you up. The constant winds though make sure there's always some. And when a storm hits, it can be brutal.
I've seen Lake Erie at work twice thus far. You speak the truth.
Lived in Port Clinton for most of my life, and yes, Lake Erie is shockingly brutal. Very quietly dangerous, if that makes sense.
Yeah, they don't call them the Great Lakes for nothing
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@@mbryson2899😊😅😂🎉
I work on ships, even from 20 yards a MOB you could be staring right at them and not even see them, it's unbelievable. Especially in cloudy weather
People don't realize that the greatlakes actually have ocean like conditions. There's even Rouge waves , rip tides and you can serf at certain beaches certain times of the year
A lot of people (myself & quite a few relatives) do Know it tho. 🤔
That's rogue waves-lol! And yes, I live very close and in between to Lakes Huron, Ontario and Erie all my life and I know that they are in reality in-land seas. Beautiful but very unpredictable.
Never knew. Thanks for sharing.
I'd love to see a red wave lol sounds crazy
@@ColdSoldier02 Haha...he meant rogue wave. Yeah it would be cool for sure.
My father, Allan Homstead, was one of the two skydivers on the B25 who stayed on board and jumped from 30,000 ft. I remember hearing talk of this tragedy even though I was only 6 years old at the time. I believe this happened right before my father left for a tour in Vietnam. He was an Air Force F4 Pilot. I wish I could remember the detail of what he said about this incident, and sadly he passed 3 years ago and I cannot ask him.
I’m so sorry for your loss. 😕 I hope you have or can find healing.
Hopefully you didnt carry on the genetics.
Thanks, for mentioning… I just remember ( my Second-third year @ Purdue ( big aviations, etc))……
sorry for your loss if it makes you feel any better i never met my dad
I'm sure you never meeting your dad has made him feel much better - smh @@aids1015
In defense of the fishing boat that allegedly drove right on by about 20 yards away, it's entirely possible they just didn't see them. I know it sounds hard to imagine, but in high waves, you would only be visible during the peak of the wave...When you're at the bottom of the wave, you're completely not visible. Now if the sun was in your eyes or you had glare on the water, it's possible the person had no idea. Also, waves (and fishing boats) are noisy. It's also possible he didn't hear them either.
The operator of the boat was later charged, He was sneaking a day off from the office with his "Girlfriend"
No, when you make eye contact with someone you know the moment they make eye contact back. It's an ancient human instinct the ability to recognize this
@@jpdelete
Not if they don't see that well.
@@WutThaFuh YEA Really hard to see from a Greek or Rominian fishing boat a half world away. What the hell was that clip for any way, could not find a clip of a US boat????
@@mikemarthaller8789 Charged with WHAT????
Scary business, indeed.
I can never fathom why anyone would ever jump from a perfectly good airplane.
Pure adrenaline. I've done it 3 times. I almost drank myself to death. Got sober. So I wanted to do something exciting and dangerous. No it isn't for everyone but I've never been scared of heights of planes.
@RelentlessOhiox congrats on your sobriety
Crazy hey? When young and reckless ... I did the same. The pilot of the Cessna went on to fly for Cathay Pacific ... and I went on to regain my senses. But I tell you what .... it's a totally addictive rush
Agreed. I will never bail out of a good airplane.
I think peer pressure or expectations probably played a part. Despite your own misgivings, if your buddies are going for it, you're likely to shrug off your own better judgment. I imagine every one of those unfortunate men thought of their families on the way down and would have given everything to have a do-over. 😢
i bet the last thing that went through their minds was the ground.
@@Jesse-xz7brI bet you're feeling real clever right now
@@muhammadputera6593 Especially since they landed in water.
They did played stupid game and won stupid price. No one forced them to spend money on deadly hobby. People in general doesn’t give pitty to anyone that do sport that put others and themselves in danger.
@@Jesse-xz7br
In water????
The B-25 that was used in this accident didn't survive for very long either. It was destroyed just three years later in 1970 when it was sold to new owners and the pilot who was hired for the ferry flight crashed it while coming in for the landing.
Did the pilot(s) survive?"
@@lyhuy7413 Sicko.
Well I’ll be damned
She was cursed as they say
@@budgiefriend why?
I can easily believe the other vessel didn't see anyone. They train man-overboard drills with a football. Throw a dark coloured football into a four foot swell and it's easy to miss. And that's pretty much the same as trying to spot a human.
No kidding. You may be able to see a boat clearly but all they can look for is a head bobbing among the swells.
The person on the boat was not searching for anyone, either.
seriously 4 foot swells and i assume they were already in the water and their chutes all sunk at that point most people could look right at you and not see you if they are not trying to find people
It was heavily overcast skies too, very hard to see anything in the water in those conditions.
As a former commercial fishing boat owner, I can confirm that there are days and directions in which it is hard to see even a bright orange spherical buoy the size of a basketball. A human head can be easy to miss.
Retired air traffic controller and a sky diver here. 20,000 feet is crazy. You start gasping at about 11~ 13,000. Back in 1967, radar was much different. I don’t blame the controller, however there has been some improvements since this incident.
There is always coordination between pilot and lead skydiver. If they coudnt see the ground, the lead skydiver should have said no.
Sometimes ya just need to refund the divers, and ask them to come back tomorrow.
It was primary radar and shrimp boats in 1967, but of course the Air Traffic Controller's negligence was a big part of why 16 lives were lost that day. The pilot, the jumpmaster, the jumpers themselves, and the controller all shared responsibility. Bottom line, if ATC hadn't misidentified the jump/photo aircraft, none of those 16 skydivers would have drowned.
Taking a recreational dive, of either the ocean or sky variety, where and when you have exceedingly poor visibility seems like a very unwise thing to do. Exemplifies no situational awareness
this reminds me of the notion that the ultra experienced can smtms shrug off unsafe conditions b/c they've done it so many times before
People who haven't been at sea don't realize how hard it is to see anything in the water, especially with a bit of a sea-state. Even when directly looking for something you often don't see it until you are almost on top of it. Additionally, all you would hear on the deck of a fishing boat is the drone of the motor. Most likely scenario is someone thought they heard something, looked around, shrugged, and went about their day.
Well stated. The sea is unforgiving mistress. Loud, always moving, death. Even with bright colors, someone can be tough to spot if if you’re actively looking for them.
Correct. It was weird to assume there were some “shady” business or whatever. Although it’s one of the possiblities. But yeah, it’s difficult to see things on the sea esp with the stated weather and wave condition that was described as “treacherous”.
Even when you Know something is in the water, with wind waves and current, it is extremely easy to not find it
yeah, because its hard to see a group of people fall out the sky
For sure, saying they were shady is a big accusation....
Yeah that is a very good rule ,don't jump if you can't see the target.
its actually against FFA regulation to jump without vision neither the jumpers are supposed to jump nor the pilot is supposed to allow the jump
Sucks for the pilot being given false positional data... Having the guilt on him and his license revoked..
It absurt, it dispatcher fault or nobody (because navigation system was not so advanced)
How pilot must know whete he is or about the rule "dont jump if dont see target" (wich don`t exist at this time)?
It was known risk for jumpers, no one else to blame.
As a pilot for 30yrs, I can state unequivocally that it is the pilots duty to know where he/she is at all times.
@@vandal968 As a pilot for 25 years, I am asking you: You are flying on top of overcast, you are talking to ATC, who have identified you (so they say) and are vectoring you. What in this case are you going to additionally do in order to "know where you are at all times"? (No GPS back then!) Would you really demand the pilot should have double checked ATC's position report by doing his own VOR triangulation? Do you do that routinely, or rather, did you do that back in the days without GPS? The only reasonable thing I can think of is to ask for another squawk ident prior to letting those guys jump out of your plane. Maybe that should have been required for jumps through overcast close to big bodies of water?
pilot violated FAA regulations
(a) No person may make a parachute jump into or through a cloud . . .
(b) No pilot in command of an aircraft may allow any person to make a parachute jump from that aircraft unless cloud conditions allow that person to comply with the requirements of Paragraph (a) of this Section.
14 C.F.R. 105.29
My dad used to jump with those guys but he stopped after getting married just weeks before. One of his jump buddies still comes by to reminisce. Thanks for posting this.
Your dad is lucky!
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
What a weird thing to make up for internet sympathy….
According to the comments, that jumping group consisted of couple thousands of People, who were also relatives of said commenters
No he didn't
2:13 OMG!! What a huge suprise for me!!! The Cessna 172 that appears at the video footage was part of the TopFly flight school fleet. I know that because it was the flight school were I learnt to fly (many years ago) and that specific Cessna of the video (EC-HYZ) was one of the planes I used to flew during my flight lessons!!!
Topfly pilots school was placed at Spain (Sabadell Airport), however it no longer exists cause it went bankrupt some years ago.
What a suprise to see it as footage of the video, it brings me old good memories!!!
If you are a pilot, prove it
@@GreatwhiteShark88 Do you realize how many private and commercial pilots exist? It’s that hard to believe someone’s a pilot? Don’t visit the ATC audio channels, you’ll lose your mind then.
I'm from this area and had never heard of this disaster before. I hope the families have received peace. The Great Lakes are much more dangerous than what most people think.
Yep the weather system is something else. Saw a water funnel on the ocean once when I was living in Toronto. Hard to understand why people wanted to jump into one of those lakes with no visibility. You'd either drown or freeze to death before help arrives.
@@melindacadarette3447 if they pulled their chute at 10,000 feet could they of glided 4 miles to land???
We all know Gordon Lightfoot's song.
@@777jaris If they couldn't even see the water what makes you think they could have glided to land? Most likely the wind would have messed up their parachutes and they would drown or died from injuries due to the impact.
The lake is not at fault: jumping out of airplanes is stupid.
Every now and then you come across a little gem of a channel on TH-cam and find yourself binge watching all the videos. This is one of those channels.
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I did the same thing!
If you haven’t, look up fascinating horror. That channel led me to this one and I enjoy both.
@@joannewilson1162 I agree. A very interesting channel for sure.
So true
Thank you for actually doing research on the sport and explaining how it works. It’s hard to come by now a days
I can't imagine what this experience would have been like for the pilot. You land the plane thinking you took part in some fun thrill ride then somebody comes up and tells you they all died...
I was there when this tragedy occured. I was 11 years old and traveling by car with my family from Cleveland to Sandusky. Both my parents were pilots and we often stop at small airfields to check out the planes and see if anything interesting was going on. I can tell you that the pilot of the B-25 was NOT blissfully unaware of what had happened. As soon as he parked the plane - off away from the other planes on the ramp - we could tell that something was wrong; he was having a very animated discussion with his ground crew. I can't remember if we had seen the plane take off and knew there were skydivers aboard, or if we heard other people talking about the fact that there were. We watched what was going on for awhile, but left shortly after the B-25 landed. The weather was so bad we didn't think we would see any more action. The next day, the tragedy was, obviously, on the front page of the Sandusky Register. Even as a 11 year old, I was not surprise by what I read in the paper - the foreboding feeling my whole family had when leaving the airfield was clarified. Despite observing what I did and the awful feeling I had, I have made almost 1,000 skydives and about 30 military jumps. And, yes, I have even made a water landing for licensing requirements, but under much more controlled circumstances. I can not imagine what it would have been like to break out of clouds on a cold and gloomy day and see nothing but treacherous water below. It was scary enough making a water landing wearing shorts, t-shirt, and flotation gear while having a safety boat just feet away from where I landed. The USPA made a wise decision in changing the rules for jumping close to water. It's a shame, as is often the case, it takes one tragedy to prevent another.
I've lived in Sandusky my entire life, and I never heard of this. It is just a fuzz before my time, as I was not born until July of 1968.
If you were so experienced and able you would have stopped these people against jumping.
@@muntajibkhan4986 Please re-read what I wrote. You will note that I was 11 years old at the time and my family and I arrived after the jumpers took off. My experience was gained well after the incident. I'm not sure how you could have miss those important details when you read the first time what I wrote.
I would never repeat that pos name ever San-who? The sicko from Penn state…
He was a kid & had nothing to do with the accident.......🙄🙄
I was imagining the tragedy would be precipitated by the planes colliding but this is just as horrifying
I thought for sure the tragedy had to do with the air temps being -30F at the drop height! It wouldn't take long at terminal velocity to lose motor functions or pass out from your lungs freezing!
@@jayhemfindsyou Not only air temps, but what about the lack of oxygen at those altitudes? That is an unpressurized cabin and the length of time it took them to reach 20,000’ surely they were starting to get hypoxic
I know! At first when they were talking about the smaller plane and the cloud cover I thought they were going to say there was a crash too…either way it was very tragic…
@@kamakaziozzie3038 No doubt at all. I hiked to 12,000ft in Colorado once and being used to 400' elevations at home, that was tough to even breathe at that altitude. If you are feeling the affects of low oxygen, are half frozen from the temps and then have to land in water with all that gear, yea it's no wonder.
The tragedy was compounded by the small craft being near the Jump craft, as the ground crew navigators thought the small plane was the Jump Plane, thus making it disappear. That small planes pilot had to have been devastated finding this out! Tragic all around.
How tragic, thank you for presenting this event, unknown to me!!!🙏😢❣️
I can't believe anyone would dive over clouds not seeing the ground beneath them.
Lucky they didn't smack down onto the top of another plane or something
@@hotfudgecake
ATC radar
I can't believe the pilot was THAT stupid to allow a non-visibility jump.
He lost his Commercial license permanently.
For these thrill seekers, I believe jumping with no ground visibility would only add to the thrill and fun. Isn't that why they are jumping out of airplanes for fun in the first place?
These idiots put their lives on the line for no reason but to have fun, and you are surprised they didn’t check for ground first?
I recall this tragedy. One of the survivors gave a interview where he said when he came out of the clouds, all he could see was black, where the ground was. He then realized he was above water. I was out at Cedar Point a few days after when they found one of the bodies nearby. Cedar Point had a ride called Space Spiral right next to the lake , that takes you high up above the lake. Looking down from up there all I could do was imagine the horror they expierienced when they realized they were over the lake!
Must have been a long drawn out horrific nightmare for them. The sense of helplessness as they fell to their doom doesn't bear thinking about.
@@hilarymoloney1711We still hear some saying " at least they died doing something they loved." I don't think so !
@@muntajibkhan4986 What, laden down with skydiving paraphanelia and probably heavy clothing and boots in likely rough waters. If only it was that simple.
FROM FIVE MILES OUT?@@muntajibkhan4986
the jumpers couldn't see shore
I live right on the edge of Lake Erie. Could see my neighborhood in the video you had of Cleveland’s beach. Had no idea this happened right outside my window. I’m looking at the vast lake right now thinking how scary that must’ve been.
wow! that is "Erie" for sure!
@@hubriswonk my dood 😂
If you ever have the opportunity, you might drop a few flowers on the lake in remembrance.
You should be out there standing watch and on the ready to rescue any random skydivers that might drop by.
Cleveland has a BEACH??? I was told it’s just a LANDFILL
How tragic. Thanks for this story. I had not heard of this event.
That was really well done and informal. Rip to those who lost their lives
I’ve been a skydiver for 38+ years. In my early years I was on the Miller Skydiving team. One of our Demos was over Lake Erie for the Oktoberfest, the weather was overcast with clouds. We took the spot way out over the water in order to land on the dock where the October fest was being held.
Climbing to altitude I was remembering the incident with the skydivers that drowned. It kept us very alert to say the least. Thoughts and prayers went out to those that were a part of that tragedy.
That's balls Charles.
@@charlesh817 i was confused then i read your name lmfao
@charlesh817 you say balls I say something else 😂
@@soberanisfam1323 😂
That long time
That’s so tragic. I bet they were so cold and terrified. Poor fellows.
R.I.P. to all those lost.
It is so tragic, however, if hypothermia had started to set in, the divers could have begun experiencing the dream-like state of hypothermia, and their cognition may have become impaired to fully acknowledge their impending deaths.
Tragic? Tragic that thrill seekers died? Why would these individuals be terrified? If anything, they were probably happy that they could enjoy another exciting experience for themselves that would put them right at the precipice of death, which is why they jumped out of a perfectly good plane in the first place.
@@dsoutherland1747 I can tell you first hand hypothermia in the ocean is far from peaceful for hours. Let's not minimize the sheer terror and anguish it brings upon people by saying the last few minutes make it better than other deaths. It's just not even comparable to talk about something like this unless you've been there.
You get so exhausted but you want to keep fighting, and then you realize your limbs are becoming immobile when you thought it might have still been moving. But it isn't.
@@SlimForever007Must be fun being a sociopath. The rest of us still care about other human beings.
@@SlimForever007you're scary
Interesting video. Thanks for posting
Started in '65. Was at Leon Riche's Southern Parachute Center in Hammond , LA in '67 when I first heard about this tragedy. It made an indelible impression on me. PCA C-4741. I'm 74 now.
It's understandable that someone would think he or she could be seen in the water from a person on a boat at a distance but it isn't necessarily true.
number one survival tool globally, the mirror. aim at plane and reflecting or youll never be seen ever.
20 yards isn’t far at all, he said he looked the dude in the eyes lmao
@@Inyourbox-kr5uf Looking at a person's head bobbing in the water on a cloudy day with parachute gear surrounding it, one could easily mistake all of it for floating rubbish.
If the parachuter did see the man on the boat, that doesn't mean the man is looking directly at his eyes in return.
Especially with the waves that high.
@@Inyourbox-kr5uf People see what they're expecting to see. Motorists routinely hit cyclists even after looking right at them. It's hard enough for even SAR to see people in the water when they're trying to find them.
As somebody that loves skydiving and has gotten more ingrained in this world, the mistakes that were made in his accident ar mind-blowing... and for anybody who is unaware a tandem jump, which most people do because you need your AFF license to do solo jumping, tandem jumping is at 10,000 feet. And if you go solo jumping him the average solo jump is about 15000 ft in the air so 20 to 30,000 feet up is nuts!!
Please rewrite this with better syntax , and yeah that is nuts !
This was back in the 60s and everyone was crazy back then...
Now they are Old and Crazy...
... and in positions of power.
@@lsixty30 lmao not everybody's first language is English. So stfu 🤣
I did a tandem jump from 15k, is that unusual?
@@OliverSG1 not really, I've done tandems at 15,000. But it was just whatever my instructor was okay with. 🤷
I like how the narrator is equal parts smarmy and excited. Well done.
Smarmy? Is that like made up words from 2024
@@diablo3894 public school?
Smarmy
adjective
Excessively ingratiating or insincerely earnest. synonym: unctuous.
I have never wanted to go skydiving. I feel bad for everyone involved in this tragedy, including the friends and family of those who died. So sad.
Did it to themselves. No matter how "safe" you may think JUMPING OUT OF A PLANE is, ...ITS NOT!
@kidwave1 more likely to die of a car crash, wimp
@@kidwave1you could say that about cars though. Would you say if someone dies in a car accident that its their fault or choosing to get in a car?
I have no desire to skydive myself though.
This incident happened in 1967. The regulations and safety was much different back then. As the video said, they didn't even have GPS. You should do more research about what you're talking about before you pretend to know the dangers..
@@kidwave1chances of dying while skydiving are less than 0.1%. This happened ages ago, things are much safer now
How incredibly sad. I don’t even want to imagine what was going through their minds when they saw that water. So sad.
Probably the same thing that goes through their minds when their parachute doesn't open .
Going to take a guess it was, " Oh shit, that's water, fck fck fck" What do we do? Fck fck" splash.
@@todd3285 Nope , they use reserve parachute
Just up that high would make me dizzy, let alone jumping out of a plane.
@user-rv4md3vw9b If the people who do reckless things and die have parents, siblings, children, spouses, friends? It's sad.
I picked up one of the victims off Huron, Ohio, 4 days later on the way to Port Clinton from Vermilion. He was wearing a red jumpsuit. From a distance his back looked like a red boat cushion. We radioed the Coast Guard and took him to a Coast Guard boat off of Huron Harbor.
As a skydive instructor, I can only watch this video in horror. I have lost several friends in my 32 years of skydiving. And I miss every one of them. But it doesn't stop me from doing the thing that I love.
Like a drug addict slash dealer, watching friends OD but still selling to others and still not getting clean
@@nicoledoubleyou Exactly!! So true. I retired from the Army after 21 years and 4 combat tours in the middle east. And when you get into a gun fight with the enemy you literally get this rush, this high. And last for hours if not days. That's where I started jumping. Then eventually skydiving and becoming an instructor. You are spot on. It's just like a drug. And it's not healthy. But still I will not stop. Now one of my daughters skydives. Perhaps it's genetic.
Dark!
@@bobk2899 addiction is genetic, it's a type of personality and they also obviously learn behaviors from their parents that will lean them towards addiction. I don't understand how you have no shame, just cuz it's not illegal doesn't mean it's not shameful and you're not leading your daughter down a path that is way more likely to kill her than other types of lives. You're a bad parent that put the hëroïn in your daughter's son and helped get inject it for the 1st time and now u guys get high together. Even if she's responsible and knows her source really well, she could die by just being unlucky enough that someone responsible for getting her that drug of choice decides to make it a little stronger than usual and she does the same safe amount but this time she ODs. If she's really careful, she can do a lot to ensure she stays alive, but if she misjudges how much she needs or gets it from unreliable sources, she could die. Just like there's a chance she can die sky diving even if she's totally safe. Not to mention it opens her up to pursuing that high thru other "drugs" that may be potentially deadly as well. Have some shame for God's sake, at least feel like the terrible parent you are for putting your family not just through your addiction that could kill you, but also for getting your daughter hooked on that same drug. You are selfish. And cruel.
@@reinodjanghardt8604 I agree. It's not healthy and it definitely is not being the most responsible person. Especially, when my children were small.
As a sports skydiver and former instructor the one rule we teach our students from day one is that if you can't see the ground don't jump. Even if your experienced and cloud rated you still need to be able to see the ground before leaving the aircraft. The responsibility falls upon the individual, you have the choice to stay in the aircraft. Should you break the rule you will be grounded, should something go seriously wrong you might end up dead!
Agreed. As a skydiver myself, I was taught you go by visual flight rules. Nowadays, that tragedy could have been avoided by use of GPS.
I did a tandem at 10k and when the door opened all I could see was clouds.. I had no Idea of this reg or rule ... now it kinda freaks me out
Sane, normal happy people do not jump out of airplanes!
I did both flying the jump plane and skydive at Zhills back in the day one trip I had made it a point to call the Tower one last check on wind speed and directions I call the jump off and go back to the drop zone no one on the plane had a problem with it and find out the other group that did make the drop 2 are on the way to the hospital
You're repeating the video
Being experience doesn't make you Death Proof. If it can go wrong it will go wrong.
if you join the military without airborne in the contract a teacher at AIT is gonna be an unofficial recruiter if you like. All you hear is about what goes wrong and people being dragged by the plane cause they got hung up and came down looking like ground meat, as told by airborne soldiers who love to jump. Like, its not that much extra money I'll pass.
The organizer who should have been at the door checking weather conditions and spot made the error. Even today experienced jumpers should not rely on the pilot for their safety. It is 100% up to the jumper to ensure conditions are safe. However, on bigways such as this, in order for everyone to be able to link together in freefall skydivers must exit in rapid succession chest to back and everyone put a lot of faith in the person at the door checking the spot and weather. Pay your money, take your chances.
No shit
@@hubriswonk I remember seeing the pilot smoking weed before flying and the jumpmaster one time didn't clip the line to the ring and the parachute didn't automatically deploy it was the students first jump .... she died. A student at Annapolis Naval Academy hit a power line and was paralyzed for life.. Jump site had the highest death rate in the Nation. All history now but not forgotten
Only youth makes you death proof.
I was 7 years old when this happened. We were living in Sandusky for the summer for my father's job. My parents rented a house one block from the lake , I dont recall the street. My parents were in a buzz when this happened as it was so tragic. Have not heard more of the story until now.
Just found this channel, and im hooked.
I have never heard of this tragedy. How incredibly sad it is!
I am literally disgusted. We need to ban all sky diving. No sacrifice is too high for HEALTH AND SAFETY.
@@Wooargh
Sarcasm......I hope...
As a skydiver wit around a 1000 jumps, I decided to stay in the aircraft three times. Twice I was the only one on the load. It saved me a couple of broken bones and an electrocution. Yet I did jump once without seeing the target where I’d never been with very low cloud. Luckily I came out unscathed.
I have less experience with just over 800 skydives. Only once did we not exit at altitude. We climbed up above the clouds hoping more breaks would open up. But no joy. We dropped below the clouds and everyone did a hop and pop. This was in the 80’s with no gps.
How do you know it saved up from broken bones and electrocution?
@@richard6812 because if I would have jumped, I would have ended up in power lines and another time in 40 knots gusts and hail storm in front of a Cb
How tragic this was. Thanks for posting.
When you're doing stuff like this it doesn't take too many mistakes in judgement for things to go very wrong. This must have been awful to go through.
I don't understand how these thrill seekers could find it "awful" for them to get a little extra thrill thrown in for good measure. Certainly, when they came through the clouds and saw water, they must of been extra happy to see that their chance of survival went even lower. Isn't that how these thrill seekers think. They keep doing their dangerous sport until it finally kills them, right?
The golden rule is indeed do not jump unless you can see the target. These days, with winged suits and radio beacon directional detectors, it is possible to travel as much as 50km away from the drop zone to the target area, depending on the wind and altitude of the jump. Still the target area must be clear of clouds up to at least 1,500m altitude. I did a few HALO jumps in the armed forces and the most terrifying experience was when a fast moving thunderstorm rolled over my targeted landing area. The wind, rain and lightning was hair raising to say the least. By the time I broke through the clouds I was over 2km from the landing zone and I crashed through the forest canopy, the trees tearing up my chute but also breaking my fall. I had one heck of a time getting to the ground and had to hump out of the forest in the dark. I'm lucky to have survived uninjured. I was sure that I wasn't going to make it. An experience I don't care to repeat.
I remember walking on top of another Jumper's parachute, like Dang 🙏 trying my best to walk off ASAP 😅 another time my chute Colliding & bouncing back away 🥶 w/ another, I'm thinking oh O this is it ! I saw that whites of his eyes and vice versa 👀🪂🪖 that was out of a C-130 Oh Lordy 😜 oh, I forgot to say, those were static line jumps 😅
@@berzerker1100Youch! Whereas in sport jumping, you would intentionally land on another jumper's chute and fly around on a *stack* of canopies.
Lol ok commander macbrag
Cool story 007
As a former jump plane pilot myself, this whole situation just fills me with dread!! 😨
There was a similar mass tragedy with seven fatalities just the next year as well. The Canadian Airborne Regiment had 22 of their paratroopers blown off course during a training exercise, and into the adjacent Ottawa River, which is very large, fast flowing, and certainly cold on May the 8th. Sadly, seven of them drowned in their heavy equipment before they could be rescued.
Well that sucks. Condolences, Canada.
Poor guys...How on earth do they still conduct training exercises near a river...? Isn't that insane ?
Logistics: If you’re flying north towards a huge lake just a few miles away at 100+ mph and you have cloud cover so you can’t see what’s below and the air and the water is very cold .. it might be a bit dangerous.
i live near edge of lake Erie and it has taken many lives...boated on the lake for many years and always had deep respect for that lake as to not try to get killed out there.
Never knew about this, thanks for the info.
People's unwillingness to call off events in bad weather conditions have caused countless tragedies, from scuba diving in choppy seas to the Space Shuttle Challenger explosion.
It’s the most dumbest risk people take AND TOTALLY AVOIDABLE 🤦♂️
My parents met skydiving out of similar airplanes in the 70’s. The cheesy joke they told was that they “fell for each other”.
Do they still jump? Do they miss the feeling? :p
@@hirnfaser7245 They stopped jumping when they got married but my dad start jumping again a few years before he died of a stroke in 2012.
That's cute
That's adorable
cringe
Great job with these stories. 0:18
Your document was extremely informative and interesting what part of lake Erie did they touch down ? The lake is 70 to 90 feet deep over to the Canadian boarder that's why it gets rough very rough 0 to hell in a flash
When you mentioned the plane going to watch, i was terrified this was gonna end with the lower plane hitting the skydivers
Another reason to be very careful of jumping into cloud is that besides not seeing the target area , if there is a bunch of you you may not see each other until too late. I have had this experience and it's scary as hell because even under canopy one is travelling in a forward ( and downward ) direction quite fast. I saw another guy at the last second and was lucky enough to get my legs away in time as he passed beneath me.
John can you please call Nancy back she is worried sick
Fascinating! I'm from Cleveland but never heard of this tragedy!
Get out from your mom's basement and you will know
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My cousin's kid was into skydiving but quit when his daughter was born. He's always made good choices but that remains his best one. Thank God too after seeing this!
Nah, I'd rather die early doing something I love than live in fear and not live at all.
@@ItsAllAboutGuitar And ruin your child who would no longer have a father? You can be selfish when your single but kids change everything.
@@mph1ishfacts
My dad stopped riding a motorcycle after he had kids. Makes sense.
Wow, I grew up about a mile from Lake Erie and lived there for 40 yrs, but I've never heard this story. I can't imagine the jumpers' horror, when they realized where they were going to land...very sad!
@Karl with a K way way too late
@@karlwithak.Since 1967?
Wow, people who lived in this area must be hardy pioneers. I remember the 1976, song by Gordon Lightfoot, " The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald". It still sends shivers down my spine, because I read the Great Lakes can be treacherous during times of stormy weather.
I saw a video about this tragedy, and the bodies as seen be robot cameras were still well preserved. It's a freshwater lake but it can be very deadly at times. I admire the early settlers of the 18th and 19th centuries for settling there, and navigating its treacherous waters.
@@user-zy8jh3qz3ewhat an odd and useless conclusion to come to.
When you lived there for forty years you should have saved them being in the immediate vicinity.
I used to sky dive when I was in the USMC. I never jumped below 3,500 feet. I ended up with 9 jumps before I got out of the Marine Corps. Was a great time in my life and I enjoyed jumping. After 13 were killed in the Locust Grove, GA, jump club I quit jumping. Cheers from eastern TN
This is so sad they're poor families have suffered so much 😢
I remember when this happened. At first I thought it was a joke or just bad news reporting. Then I realized the scope of the tragedy which made me realize how fragile life is especially for those taking dangerous chances with their lives.
@BuildTheFutureYouWant what is your chance of death for every 10,000 miles dropped?
@BuildTheFutureYouWant
There is a major flaw in your pathetic analogy. Sports like skydiving carry a much greater risk of you getting killed. So why add it to your normal activities of life?
@BuildTheFutureYouWant You are indeed correct, but the media makes it seem like homicide is the leading cause of death when in actual reality most people will not die from homicide or even manslaughter, but from their poor diet and eating habits. So, a form of unaware/unintentional suicide.
Kind of ironic.
Why would any sane person jump out of a perfectly good airplane
@BuildTheFutureYouWantyou seem very knowledgeable. What are our natural cancer prevention that gets blind by diabetes?? Please 🙏
I spent 7 years living on Lake Erie aboard my Sea Ray cabin cruiser. Each year, from mid-April through mid-October, my boat became my summer home. Lake Erie is a shallow lake & warms quickly every year. Cooler air passing over the warmer water creates foggy conditions as low as water level even when there's no rain or nasty weather overhead. I've had visibility drop to less than 100 feet from an air temp becoming cooler than the water temp. Add any clouds overhead & visibility from water level to 10,000+ feet can disappear.
It's a shame those skydivers lost their lives. Skydivers pack their own chute so they're confident it will open when they pull the cord. And don't trust their life to someone else. They obviously didn't know the visibility circumstances that develop over Lake Erie when the conditions exist or arise.
I've seen visibility disappear without any adverse weather overhead. Simply a change in wind direction bringing cooler air over the warmer water will do it. That might explain why visibility changed so quickly for them. I've had people ask me why the radar on what they felt was a smaller boat (32ft overall length). Radar units mounted on any size boat, are not there just to watch for a change in weather or a forthcoming storm. If visibility disappears, they're also used to prevent a collision with other boat traffic on the water.
I don't think that's applicable. The pilot knew he was flying over a thick cloud cover. He could have warned the jumpers not to go, or better yet, return to base. Of course the jumpers would have been very disappointed... but also very alive.
I was late to my second jump at school, and got an Army chute not sport chute. In fall clouds had stopped us before, today partly cloudy. My static line did not pull chute clear of sleeve, I was light then. After I fell through a cloud I realized I didn't count to ten. I decided to look back behind before throwing reserve, so I saw the sleeve but no chute, however my shoulder moved the the line on one side that popped the chute out and the big Army number.
I grew up in the Pittsburgh area and I can recall, in the early 1970s the winters were filled with snow squalls from 'lake effect snow' from lake Erie. Just like the Rochester/Buffalo snowfall last year which set records for lake effect snow, it was a constant occurrence when the winds from Canada blew across the warmer waters of Lake Erie AKA Gitchegumee. I also recall the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald in late 1975. The Great Lakes have an innocent sounding name but they are sometimes more dangerous than the open sea because of the sudden and drastic changes in weather conditions for which they are famous.
To: ChefJimmie1 - I once read in a marine publication that Lake Erie was the most dangerously navigable freshwater lake on Earth. That's a hell of a claim to make & I don't recall how that was comprised or who assembled such statistics. But, I can say that I have experienced some of the most dangerous boating conditions when the marine forecast had only called for 1-2's all day.
I would motor out of Presque Isle Bay, onto Lake Erie, go around the head of the peninsula & proceed NW for 28 miles until I was almost to the PA-OH line on the GPS map. Just so we could walleye fish what's called the 2nd trench. With 5-6 of us onboard, my boat weighed about 12,000 lbs. At 25-30mph, the deep V hull plowed through 1-2's like smooth water. Over the 7 years, I had a couple storms blow up where we had to get back to port & tied down before the heavy winds & storms hit. The 1-2's quickly turned to 7-10's. Thank God, I was able to run with the direction of the waves & I didn't have to power directly through them. But they still created hazardous conditions motoring the 25 miles back to the point of Presque Isle & into the bay. Imagine 12,000 lbs of boat, 5-6 fishermen, heavy rain & wind while I'm running at close to full speed & flying across the tops of those waves. The boat skimmed across the tops of those 7-10's with the screws out of the water each time I topped a wave. There were several boats working the 2nd trench that day. Many of them were smaller & lighter. A couple of them had to motor almost due S to get back to Walnut Creek where they docked. It would take them over 1 hour longer to go the 25 miles back to Walnut Creek. I had a total of 35 miles by the time I pulled into my slip. I thanked God I made it back a few times.
I'm from SW Pa & live about 40 miles from Pittsburgh. The lake effect hits here but nowhere near as severe as up within 80 miles of Lake Erie. My job required me to call on clients in upstate New York. I truly enjoyed the Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse areas along with all of upstate NY. I've witnessed several lake effect snowstorms in the 22 years I performed that job. In fact, I almost got stranded when visiting clients in the Watertown & Montague , NY areas back in Jan of 1997 when a severe lake effect snowstorm passed through that area & dropped over 77" of snow in less than 2 days! NY DOT closed I-81 that Friday around lunchtime when it had 2 ft of snow on it because crews could not keep it open. I was desperate to get back home & not be stranded there for the several days it eventually took to get the roads open again. I drove around a barricade to get onto I-81 S & slowly proceeded south to Syracuse where the snowfall was considerably less.
My Jeep Cherokee was overheating from snow being packed into the grill & preventing the flow of air to cool the radiator. In 2 ft of snow, I stopped, backed up so I can get out & up to the front of my Jeep where I dug out all the snow that blew up over the front bumper & into the grill. The only markers I could see where the reflectors alongside the highway that show where the berm ends. You can't see anything in snow that deep with the snow coming down so heavily. There were no other vehicles on I-81 all the way from Watertown down to where the NY thruway (I-90) connects. A NY trooper stopped me when I was almost to Syracuse where I-81 re-opened. He ask if I knew the road was closed. I said "no I didn't know that" & I told him they may not have put up the barricade where I got on. I'm not from the area & I don't know what exit I got on at. He was so busy with calls, he let me go & I made it home that night.
That was my worst experience with lake effect. If you're ever coming back to the Pittsburgh area, send me a message. We'll have to lift a few longnecks & trade stories awhile. Sorry for writing a book, just had lots to say.
Be safe.
@@pauljw7697 Thanks for that story. I enjoyed reading it. We used to be neighbors. 40 miles SW of PGH? Must be near Connellsville? Uniontown? Latrobe? That’s an interesting story about that snowy trip to Syracuse. It always seemed like the lake effect snow was always slicker than normal and I got stuck in it several times in my youth. I remember trying to get home in an unexpected lake effect event as a teenager. It took me 3 hours to get 3 miles to my house in Monroeville because the 4x4s weren’t even making it! If you are familiar with the area you know that it’s hilly (putting it mildly) I only got home on flat rear tires (from spinning out) and had they not blown out I would have been stranded. I used to go camping and fishing up in the Kinzua Dam area and I would vacation at Presqe Isle occasionally. I live in SE Virginia now in a rural area near Williamsburg. I had to get south, away from the snow. After so many years of living in it I needed a change. Nice talking to ya, Paul.
Nice shot of this beauty Edward, im amazed we got it here first in the Northwest makes a change! Suprised it went on the smelly bins though i caught it at Stockport Reddish and Northenden.
I never heard this story before, such a tragic loss of life.
No. There are no restrictions about skydiving near bodies of water. My former Drop Zone was Skydive Elsinore which is directly south of Lake Elsinore. The mistake was primarily jumping without sight of the DZ. At the beginning of this vid it was said "Don't jump if you can't see your landing area". This is very true.
This happened about a month after I made my first static line jume and was talked about extensively around the DZ. There actually two passes were made. On the first jump run a single jumper exited and landed on the DZ. The spot was suppose to be made by an attorney traffic controller using radiar. The problem was found to have been caused when there was a second plane near the DZ that the controller mistook as the jump plane.
Ae you talking about legal Restrictions? The video states that the Parachute Club of America made this rule. Not the FAA.
@MinhNguyen-ek9cd It has been an FAA regulation since the barn storming days. It is the only FAA rule that directly effects skydivers. Drop zone operators check the pacing data card that the rigger signs and dates and must be kept in a pocket on the reserve container. D7466.
It's my understanding there are rules by the Canadian Sport Parachuting Association about having some kind of floatation device if near water. I didn't leave the ground without one when I was near water in Arnprior or Grand Bend, Ontario.
I’ve been skydiving in Jacksonville Fl (Jacksonville Skydive). It’s definitely not 50 miles from shore.
Though it was a beautiful, clear day, and visibility from the aircraft (Cessna 206 Stationaire) was also good.
I can only hope that those who died can rest in peace, it must be terrifying to go when you started out thinking that you were going to jave an amazing time of your life earlier that day
It depends on whether they were saved or not
@ChicagoMel23 90% of the ones who jumped died, and those who survived were scarred for life by this accident.
@Avendesora who told them to jump? Idiots
@@Avendesora what a weird thing to say…cultists are so odd
@@Avendesora, It's not a cultist or cruel idea to be realistic in the understanding that every single person is a wretched, broken, and ill being compared to a perfect standard. When you look around, it is obvious. It is also obvious that this perfect standard exists. It is undeniable. Anyone that thinks they are "good" has never spent even 5 minutes reflecting on their mental status or their past actions. Every single one of those failings, when compared to the most perfect standard, carries a death sentence with it. How do you justify that? 🤔
A major difference between non-believers and believers (Christian in my case), is that non-believers believe that there is not (and cannot) be justice for unpunished failings and crimes (and unbelievers seem to be ok with letting this "hell" slide as "that's just life", "just the way the power dynamics work," "some people just skirt justice long enough").
Believers believe that All imperfections, failings, crimes, etc. will be judged by the perfect standard, and that death will not be the escape for the wicked. We all die equally, so it does not mitigate evil. A good world cannot be unjust, so there must be some method to justify or punish everything.
ChicagoMel23 was right, whether the victims "rest in peace" or not is determined by whether or not their moral death sentences have been justified or not.
I'm not leaving myself "above" you or them in this either. When thinking about the perfect standard (Biblical scripture), I would be the first to say I have death sentences for breaking that standard. The thing is, I'm living under "new management" now, and those things are justified.
To restate O.P.s statement: "I can only hope that those who died can rest in peace," (meaning, I hope they were justified [saved] before they died).
I used to work with a guy who had been in the Air Force for 20years who told me "there is no reason to jump out of a perfectly good airplane ".
The Cleveland ATC is in Oberlin right next Ortner. I flew there often in the 70's Wellington Wakeman
Mistakes and ignorance paves the road to disasters that can be absolutely dangerous! This disaster and Bhopal Disaster are examples!
Bhopal wasn't a mistake. It was foreseen, the company was warned. It was GREED and a completely psychotic disdain for the lives of the Indian town folk that caused that disaster. They did not give a flying fuck about anything except money.
You left out arrogance.
@@johnsmith-ug5tp Yes! Forgot it!
I tried sport parachuting in college and on my 4th static line jump my canopy didn't open properly initially but I was able to get it opened and landed safely. As I was trying to get the canopy open I saw my instructor, who was going on up to 12K ft for his jump, jump out and track over toward me. Found out after landing that he had packed the chute a bit differently to slow its opening as that chute was not designed for my body weight of 220. It was a French parachute designed for smaller jumpers. Needless to say I had to restrain myself to keep from beating the crap out of the guy. Never jumped again afterwards, realizing how one mistake from a numbskull could cost me my life. I thought I may try again with another group sometime but this incident soured me pretty good. Though I was actually less comfortable in the little Cessna 162 going up than I was with jumping out.
Don't do thrill sports. They are stupid and selfish, and are for people who have a chemical imbalance in their brain and don't mind risking death to feel alive for few minutes. If you do thrill sports, you will likely die eventually (doing the sport), and that's all part of the thrill. These thrill seekers all died, and I just hope it was all worth it for them and that they had a thrilling time discovering what drowning felt like. Personally, I would like to avoid discovering that, so I don't jump out of planes. Instead, I grill up hotdogs on my deck and play board games with my neighbors. We have a lot of fun, and at least I am not in the ground rotting away like these thrill seekers.
This is so fun and neat especially when it doesn't open 😮😮😮
I can understand the sky diver being angry that a boat ignored him but he probably didn't appreciate that the boat almost certainly didnt see him, unkess you are eearing extremely high visibility gear, and even then, it can be extremely difficult to see a human head on the surface of the water, even from 30ft away. 4ft waves, and overcast conditions can make this even worse.
The Boat Saw him for sure. I was there.
@@bobcoy2074
”Don’t believe everything you read on the internet.”
-Thomas Edison, probably
JUST BECAUSE you see a boat with just barely any of your body bobbing out of the water doesn't mean the boat sees you. not likely that it was an unhelpful stranger, you just simply can't see shit. and furthermore, many times it appears someone's looking right at you, but they don't see you, and that's when we're in rooms, on the street, and on land, in the water, it's hard to spot a person, especially in rough waters, as the narrator stated were the conditions at the time.
Anything past 14,000 feet is insane with oxygen.
That is known now, but not then.
Not really..........I have never seen anyone suffering from hypoxia below 16k. 13k to 14k is standard at most turbine DZ's. And if a female is nice enough to expose her mammary glands to the pilot we usually get an extra 1k feet. :) :) :)
Why would it be insane with oxygen?
i assume you meant without oxygen they brought oxygen tanks for the ride up
We had a twin pin taking people up to 15k. Two smokers complained that they couldn't breathe.
I got a skydiving / paragliding ad for this vid 🤣🤣
7:52... don't be so sure about your conclusions here. On a really windy day, my wife and I once capsized our small sailboat in the Potomac River in the Washington, DC area. We were struggling in the water and several different boats with people looking at us went right by us, but they didn't want to be inconvenienced so they didn't stop. One couple finally picked us up and they were really upset. He let us know he was obligated to help us by marine law. Do not undersestimate the selfishness and wickedness of mankind. It is a sign we are living in the last days of earth's history, just as the apostle Paul prophesied in 2 Timothy 3:1-5.
The B-25 is a pretty odd choice for skydiving. You would think a DC-3(C-47, the plane paratroopers dropped out of during WW2) would have been a better bet, at around the same price point. I wonder why the pilot/owner chose a smaller less suitable airframe?
Sorry to put it so frankly but this is likely the explanation - - "skill issue". B-25 needs an entire 4 man crew to run the avionics.
@@MrWolfSnack or they used what they had
We had an old D18 for jumping
Probably sold cheaply as army surplus after the war. All sorts of war material was practically given away after the war because what would you do with a bomber plane in peace time? A lot of business sprung up built on surplus army tech. In 1967 that plane was only 25 years old and still with a lot of life in it, so the cost of operation would've been fairly low.
I've flown them a few times, got my multi rating in one a very long time ago. I can't think of a worse choice of aircraft for skydiving, especially with that many jumpers. The fuselage is very narrow and unless they jumped from the open bomb bay doors which I doubt, the hatches are pretty small as well. Then, depending of what hatch you use to exit the aircraft you've got that big twin rudder tail to watch out for...really bad choice but, they probably thought it would look cool.
Who’d a thought skydiving was dangerous
Who’d have thought you’d drown from it…
My grandpop always said, "If I live til I'm 120 yo, I'll never understand why anyone would jump out of a perfectly fine-running airplane of their own volition."
The most dangerous part of your skydiving trip is the drive to and from the dz.
May all the jumpers rest in peace!
*Atheist*
I’m no sky diver but the comment made early on in this vid seems to me to b the blueprint and doctrine that all sky divers should adhere to . If u can’t c ur landing area then don’t jump that seems pretty obvious to me
Good grief. From beginning to end, how did any1 think, anything about this was a good idea? How did nobody stop for a second at any point to think "this is insane"???
Skydivers are thrill seekers to a fault a lot of times
In a word group think.
"That's the worst idea I've ever heard....what time?"
You’re talking about people that jump out of airplanes for fun. In the 1960’s when it was a “new” sport. So no it doesn’t surprise me at all.
It is, by nature, an extreme sport...and this was in the early days of recreational skydiving, so they sadly had yet to learn from mistakes and establish rules. It had to be terrifying to drop beneath the clouds and realize you're miles from shore. Ugh
For the algorithm 👊
This is an exceptional channel. 👏
Never heard this voice before… 😔
Also for the algorithm 👊
Yeah
For the algorithm brotha
Lake Erie is not a sea. It’s a lake.
Ocean? Pictures of mountains? Have you never been to the midwest? This feels like it was written by chatGPT
Just a note, 16 people also died in the Perris, California jump plane accident in 1992.
This later accident was also caused by water. This time in the fuel tank of the Twin Otter jump plane. The contamination caused one of the engines to fail on takeoff, I believe the pilot feathered the wrong prop and the plane went in near the end of the runway. Only four people survived of the 20 on board.
Defense for the unknown boat that passed by:
As a former commercial fishing boat owner, I can confirm that there are days and directions in which it is hard to see on the water even a bright orange spherical buoy the size of a basketball. A human head can be easy to miss.
Especially if you are unaware of the above tragedy. Now if you were advised to be on the look out for multiple bodies in the water, now that is a different story.
I think there was a record ballon release, earlier from Cleveland, leaving 1,000's of colored ballons in lake erie's waters .
The operator was later charged, He was sneaking a day away from the office with his girlfriend. Did not want wife to know.
@@jeffreyrudolph5061 this incident happened in 1967, the Cleveland balloon disaster happened in 1986
@@mikemarthaller8789why are you making shit up you freak
Damn man. Imagine being that pilot or air traffic controller. How could you live with yourself knowing that such a tiny error ended so many lives?
Not the pilot fault
Can you imagine breaking through the clouds and seeing water below
As a woman who started skydiving at 16 n had my master jump license by the age of 22. N also Had my RN degree. To do a high attitude jump with out o2 is just plain stupidity. With lack of oxygen to one's brain a person can not think clearly. Plus the old round type configuration of parachutes were hard to fly. I jumped only once with a round canopy in my life. The rectangular chute that's used today is much easier to fly. Which means a person can much easier fly away from hazards on the ground. So many things were wrong on the day that this accident happened. If you can't see the ground don't jump out of the plane is always the right decision. I had to stop skydiving because of a car accident. A 16 unlicensed driver decided to get behind the wheel of a car high n drunk with his mother passed out drunk and high in the back seat. I still believe that the most dangerous thing about skydiving is the drive to the airport. From 1982 to 2003 I made alot of jumps and I never even ever broke a nail. Id still be doing what I loved if my legs were able to support me landing on my feet. I had a cousin who helped teach me the art of skydiving and he jumped until the age of 80. He was a paratrooper sniper in WW2. There were more accidents with the old round type chute hence the new design used today. Yes skydiving is a rush. But while skydiving one must use their brains to get from the plane to the ground safely. The freedom of flight while under canopy was always my most favorite place during a skydive. It was what I loved the most. Alot of kids dream of flying n I was lucky enough to get to do that. Only with a parachute strapped to my back.I was lucky because a family member owned the jump school where I learned skydiving. N if anything would of happened to me My Mom would have did harm to my cousin's person.
Yawn! Here, have a wowwy pop!
@@IHaveASillyHaircutrude cnt
no, just no. made up, you can't even speak correctly. bs.
Thanks. I'd been looking for this story and couldn't find anything. I'm was 13 when this happened. My younger sister did ot remember it. Our 1st cousin was dating one of the young men who died that day. He was very kind and well mannered gentleman I ever met. He also had a great sense of humor and extremely good looking. I couldn't believe he was gone.
I have lived in that area my whole life. And, often fly out of Ortner field, (I64). Four foot waves on Lake Erie are fairly common. I remember when this happened. Yes, the pilot was duped, but he allowed it to happen, by getting lost. -Under U.S. FAA FAR 91.3, "Responsibility and authority of the pilot in command", the FAA declares: The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft, and or the safe operation of the aircraft-. Had the crew done a better job of navigating, this would have been avoided. Additionally, the PIC could, and should have taken the time to verify their position, before allowing the jumpers to depart. Their lives were in his hands. This is why the FAA came down so hard on him.
so tragic, i'm so sorry for those 16 divers, rip.
Well done as always! This is an incident never having crossed my radar. What a terrible, tragic loss of life.
Very dangerous,
Slightly unfortunate turn of phrase there given the reason for their geographical misplacement.