Web of Death's description on a Marvel wiki: "Doctor Octopus, his mortal enemy, counteracted the poison for some reason. Kaine then killed Doctor Octopus for some other reason" "For some reason" is the perfect phrase to describe the clone saga imo.
I still don't like the they resurrected Doctor Octopus. Sure his death wasn't iconic, like Kraven or the Green Goblin, but in the early 90's, they did a lot of great stuff with him. Web of Death is a great storyline, and captures the character of Doctor Octopus and his enmity with Spider-Man very well. I like Superior, but I still wish they had kept him dead.
well yeah, that's why ben wants the bad guys to go spider-man, because they will be OVER THERE and thus he doesn't need to deal with them because they'll be OVER THERE'S problem!
How common is it for a superhero to fight a villain who's usually part of a different hero's rogues gallery? I mean I know it's happened, but I'm curious if it happens frequently or rarely or somewhere in-between.
@@adamdavis1648 I'd say it's rare to moderate. Early on in the career of a new hero being introduced is probably when you'd see it the most, like having a hero randomly happen upon some scheme of Electro at a carnival or something, to prove they can hang with the big boys. Other than that, it certainly can happen, but tends to not, mostly because the way villains are written usually involves some degree of desire for personal revenge, the hero champions an ideology the villain works against and naturally they come into conflict because of those issues, and often because they work together. One thing I would like to see would be a year long event basically where all the villains in the entire Marvel (or DC) universe come together in one giant organization, sharing the singular purpose of defeating all the heroes once and for all. That way, you'd see people like Mystique and the Chameleon being sent to infiltrate SHIELD, the sinister six attacking Hawkeye, etc.
5:02 Spider-Man: Alright, I’ve come to stop you, Fisk. Kingpin: Spider-Man? What are you doing here? Oh this is really embarrassing. Spider-Man: Um, what? I’m trying to stop you like I always do. Kingpin: Didn’t you hear? I’m Daredevil’s main enemy now. I’m waiting for him to show up. I can’t fight you right now. Spider-Man: Wait, what? Kingpin: Talk to me when you and Daredevil have another crossover Spider-Man: WHAT?!
Kingpin:"i'm too busy fighting Punisher and Nick fury who for sone reason scream WAAAAAAYOOOOOUUUU everytime they grab my henchmen, i must find a new speedo!"
I wonder if at one point, modern Kaine feels not only regret and shame of who he was, but also embarassment over his pseudo-edgelord villain self from clone saga days
@@TevyaSmolka Imagine this: a story where Aracely and Kaine travel back in time to Kaine's vilanous edgelord days. Aracely asks Kaine why he was like that, Kaine goes a little existential and deep over saying how those days are over, but aracely correcting herself saying, she gets why Kaine was a villain, but Why Kaine was a villain with an edgelord "Darkness no parents" style, to which Kaine can only respond embarassed and angry "because I was young and stupid okay"
Oh, so "NOW" he wants to do the "I AM A MAN!" thing. Where was this last year???? It said "Ben Reilly calls himself a man" right on the very first page, and yet you ignored it back then. th-cam.com/video/RQLeeeeP4HA/w-d-xo.html (FF to 3:35 if you are in a hurry.)
Hot damn! First the Dinobites, now the truth about where the Confession came from, I should buy some lottery tickets! Also, I think Linkara's growing anger was actually a lot scarier than the Confession itself. Something about those low whispers, exasperated laughs, and his almost gleeful desire for revenge was so damn unsettling. Granted, anger is totally justified in this situation. But when you combine that with his growing paranoia at unknown beings entering the house, I really hope he doesn't end up making another mistake like when he almost cost Jaeris his chance at returning home.
Not many people can claim to have kept an Internet show around for 12 years, let alone own a spaceship in the process. Congrats on doing both Linkara and happy Halloween!
"I feel like a rainbow!" Plot twist! Storyline segments have *not* returned, Likara just got a new sponsorship deal. This was the longest, weirdest Skittles commercial ever!
@@balsasjekloca9308 the author of Berserk passed away before he could finish but editors are still promising to finish it with his left behind notes....eventually....and One Piece ended with the real treasure being the friends they made along the way and has a sequel series called Two Piece
Oh, so "NOW" he wants to do the "I AM A MAN!" thing. Where was this last year???? It said "Ben Reilly calls himself a man" right on the very first page, and yet you ignored it back then. th-cam.com/video/RQLeeeeP4HA/w-d-xo.html (FF to 3:35 if you are in a hurry.)
12 years and you still being able to get your Halloween vids and Clone Saga episode out by the end of October so as not to interfere with Secret Origins Month! It’s a Halloween miracle!
Two theories about what these watcher guys are: 1. They’re agents of the Temlins. Similar wardrobe to the guy who explained the Contest of Champions and punished Scarn for his disruption. They could be Temlins themselves, not sure. 2. “The experiment” relates back to Linkara’s most prolific crossover collaborator, and this is going to be a followup to Spoony’s lore
I like that Confession tried to warn Linkara in the end. Yeah, he had a job, but if that guy was able to disrupt his sub dimension and erase Linkara’s memories of the event, then something more serious is probably happening and Linkara should know about it. Shame Confession didn’t really endear himself to be listened to, but you take what you can get!
Was about to say "ugh, the contest of champions story arc is taking soooo damn long with so many questions and more mystery with few answers." But then realized you're covering the clone saga so it's actually the perfect allegory for it. Well played Linkara, Well played.
Yeah, but I suspect he's going to do a far better job of delivering those answers than Marvel Comics ever did, especially once things settle down a bit.
That, plus Covid has it so he can't get together with others to film the Contest bits. Funny thing is that apparently the Contest of Champions was supposed to be a short breather arc between The Entity's return and whatever comes next.
@@chaoticjusticezero The Confession does look familiar in design. Perhaps that's where the Entity came from: The Confession feels like a much weaker entity that uses nearly identical tactics, which pissed off the judges greatly: A potential combatant tried to do him in early as the ion storm rages on.
I'm surprised that the confession didn't turn out to be a pinhead pastiche but ip rights and things. I wonder since after dino fury Hasbro said they won't adapt sentai anymore what will become of hopr unless he plans to make hovr(vr troopers) just keep the series going. Another idea would be to start reviewing sentai and how he would have adapted it even though he said sentai isnt his cup of tea.
9:08 what a funny coincidence. In recent Nick Spencer's Run, Peter was: - Beaten up by the cult of Sin-Eaters - Beaten up by THE Sin Eater with powers of lethal legion AND Juggernaut - Almost left to die by Norman Osborn to drown in cement - Beaten up by his spider-friends possesed by demons - Was confronted by a demon-like being who set up a dinner table with the corpses od many of peter's deceased loved ones, like Gwen Stacy AND ALL THAT tecnically speaking happened in the spanned of less than 24 hours In-Universe
Not gonna lie, I love your side story segments, because you never know what you get, and the absolutely outraged "CRUDE?!?" from Confession had me laughing so hard XD
I really LOVE how you've been handling the storyline stuff, specifically within the last couple years. The contest of champions storyline and recent halloweens stuff has so many interwoven plotlines and different characters at play that it feels so much more refined and creative than a lot of other media-reviewer stories skits. Not casting any shade on other reviewers, It's just so COOL to see you put such a strong emphasis on the worldbuilding in your storylines.
Man, even when you're behind the schedule, you still pull out all the stops and manage to sneak in before November to get in all the Halloween vids out. For that, I commend you Linkara.
0:35 "And the audience groaning "This is still happening?"" Yeah, that's pretty much what it was like for comics readers back when The Clone Saga was going on.
@@sarafontanini7051 Originally it was supposed to be the Jackal. Then, they fired Tom DeFalco, split the EIC position, gave the marketing department complete control, and then everything went off the rails. Clone Saga was supposed to end in ASM #400. Eventually after Maximum Clonage screwed everything up, and the stories after it sucked, it went on for a year longer. Once they decided to end it, it took them 8 months to figure out how. They originally planned for Harry Osborn to return as Gaunt and be the one behind everything. But then Bob Harass became EIC after they reconsolidated the 5 positions. He demanded that Norman Osborn be brought back and made the villain behind the whole thing.
@@prince_nocturne I definitely only recognized it due to Kaiba but i can see Keith as well. interesting twist though, sad it'll probably be another year before we can get more to it ;n; I crave more linkara lore
12 years...........and I joined with like the 5th one and I´m already feeling old. Nah it´s been a fun time and it sure will stick around for much longer, I tip my had for you my guy with the hat.
Gotta admit, when Linkara asked Confession "Who sent you?", while Bandit Chief makes more sense for continuing the story, I thought it was gonna be revealed he was sent by Lavidian Scarn as part of a revenge plot.
Vyce had followers that the Blue Titan knew of, Bandit Chief wants to win and a shadowy entity like that is a trick Jaeris tried as a villain so it must be a known tactic, the “Doomsayer” Outer God is still a looming threat, Mechakara is at large, and Mirror Margaret is the current threat. I’d say we have an interesting plethora of options
What do you think Linkara'll use the Prize for if he wins the contest? My guess: An impenetrable ward to keep his rogues gallery the hell *away* from him.
Woo, 12 years and I'm proud to say I've been around for all of them! Congratulations Lewis and an extra congrats for pushing so hard to get these 3 episodes out by the end of October, you wonderful madman! :D As for the comic, well, no matter how ridiculous they, get, I'm always down for more Clone Saga as long as you've got them to cover. And as for YOUR story, yesss, I totally called like others did that it would tie into the Contest. Still wary about this "experiment" though...
"hanging out with Squirrel Girl" :D "dying again" D: (I know the Squirrel Girl characterization of Kraven never really left Squirrel Girl, but he was a delight there.)
3 days in a row? Id say it must be christmas, but i dont want halloween to finally be absorbed by christmas as it seems to be edging closer and closer to happening each year, resulting in christmas being able to conquer earlier and earlier into the year before it DEVOURS THE ENTIRE YEAR AND "ALL I WANT FOR CHRISTMAS IS YOU PLAYS" 24 HOURS A DAY FOR-EV-ER!!!!
So wait, the "Confession" was just a tool of the Bandit Chief? Damn... I was hoping we'd get another creature as horrifying and complex as MissingNo. or King of Wyrms. Still, it shows how ruthless the Bandit Chief is, and what Linkara's gonna have to deal with later.
I actually really like the design of the Grim Hunter and believed that he could've been an interesting successor to Kraven if given the chance. It seemed like MArvel were on to something with him stating that the mansion wasn't his home until recently so they could've explored that by making the Grim Hunter deal being that he wants to be a successor worthy of his Father. You could've done a nice parallel between him and Ben. Maybe be the end The Grim Hunter becomes an ally. Either way, Marvel really missed out on an opportunity to build Ben's rogues gallery here especially if he was being positioned to be the new Spider-Man going forward. They killed him before he even had a chance.
Kaine is still one of my favourite characters. He had a great solo series a few years back that was unfortunately cut short although it continued in New Warriors... which was then cut short, also a good run though. Pretty much, if Kaine is involved, I will buy it.
5:05 Unless you’re Kingpin (Spidey and Daredevil), Loki (Thor and the Avengers), Ra’s al Ghul (Batman and Green Arrow), Lex Luthor (Superman and Supergirl), Deathstroke (Batman, Green Arrow and Teen Titans), etc.
I'm honestly curious about what his thoughts of the "Clone Saga" miniseries from 2009 will be. It seemed pretty good and executed ideas that seemed more in line from many of the original plans from the saga, (combining "Smoke and Mirrors" with "Maximum Clonage" for one thing) so I'm wondering what Linkara's thoughts on it are. And if he's already mentioned it... please direct me to that.
@@benwasserman8223 Oh yeah, true. So unless he makes an exception purely for Clone Saga related stuff, we probably won't see it. I mean, he did make reference to the Clone Conspiracy, so unless he only looked at synopses, we'll just have to wait and see.
@@alexandergonyea4642 I mean the guy loved the Spider-Verse movie so maybe we can persuade him to review its comic adaptations. Spider-Geddon is pretty Peter 616-lite and features Japanese Spider-Man with his giant robot.
@@benwasserman8223 the original spiderverse event was pretty light on Peter too. I read the full collection trade that puts all the comics and tie ins in chronological order and Peter isn't recruited until a third into the story
@@daltonwilliams1723 Yeah but 616 Peter was still a lead. Geddon was a lot more focused on Miles, Gwen, Superior Spider-Man, Takuya and even the 2018 video game Peter, all of whom exist outside Linkara’s ban and thus are technically allowed to read.
It's been a thing for a while. This is the third or fourth time it's come up as a response to an "Are you okay?" That I can remember, anyway. It's entirely possible it's come up even more than that.
This is the first anniversary episode where I've actually been a current watcher for it! 12 years is a long time to keep a show running, kudos! I hope to many more years of it
I love that they thought that after the clone saga theyd just have ben change his name to peter and act like none of it ever happened thinking readers would forget, when everyone knows audiences are smarter than that For instance, its been 20 years and people still ask the Pokemon Company when the GS Ball plot will be resolved (tbf it was like a 20 episode arc)
I do feel odd for only now catching up on the anniversary episodes a year after this one, so missed opportunity to congratulate Atop the Fourth Wall, age 12
32:10 You're seeing a therapist? Oh wow, then he or she is officially one of the four therapists with most, shall we say, "interesting" patients ever (which, you know, speaks volume of their mind that they themselves don't go crazy listening to said patients), the other three being: the unnamed therapist of Steven Universe (from Steven Universe Future tv show), Linda, therapist of Lucifer Morningstar (from Lucifer tv show), and Threnody, therapist of Blackjack (from Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons - Speak fanfiction) xD
I live in the Netherlands, so US versions of comics are hard to get, but I managed to get hold of the US versions of quite a lot of Spider-Man comics, most of which are stories from the clone saga, including the four you cover in this video. So this time I could read along. I really enjoy you doing the entire clone saga, as it fills in the gaps for the comics I'm missing.
If anyone is curious, ARES's only other appearance was in the Solo four issue limited series. That series did include Spider-Man as a supporting character and ended right before Web of Life was published, so readers at might have recognized ARES at the time. It's not surprising no one remembers them though.
5:10 I vaguely remember a storyline in the 80's where Marvel's greatest villains swapped heroes to attack and it resulted in the villains almost winning, so... yeah
12 years of wonderful videos and very RARELY have you sent a bad video, and even your worst videos tend to be better than most people’s average. So glad to see you doing this and keep on doing it. Thanks for giving me a lot of videos to enjoy and keep me happy through bad years and good years. Thanks Lewis, for being the best of the best and not a scumbag.
The Gregor who went after Kazar in the Savage Land was not a butler to the Kravinov family, but Kraven's mentor, one of the people who trained him as a hunter. If this Gregor is supposed to be the same guy, the writers and editor dropped the ball again.
Question: how is "Kain" a title. Answer: it is a misspelled version of Cain, the 1st murderer. most likely meant to be edgy and symbolic at the same time.
Happy 12th Aniversary! Thank you for amazing stories both in Comics and in Storylines. It has bee a blast to follow and hopefully to keep on following in the future. Take care of yourselfs and all the best!
For some reason, Kraven's son reminds me of sabertooth...as does kraven, actually. I think its that weird fluffy fur thing they were around their necks. Sabertooth has that too. On that note, I would love to see a fight between sabertooth and kraven the hunter...also, I'd prefer if they stop dicking around with sabertooth being a hero or villain. Leave him as a hero. The fact they keep flip flopping on that is weird, and tells me that sabertooth HAS fans in marvel...also the fact he's died and come back to life a few times.
Lots of Tom Lyle in this video, he was my professor at SCAD for a few years and is greatly missed since he passed away. 💙 Great and funny video, happy 12th anniversary! Hope there are lots more! 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
I don't know what the hell is happening in the ending, but I love it and I want to watch everything that came before it that's related, as soon as I finish watching all your clone saga videos.
So to anyone’s following Nick Spencer’s Spider-Man, who wants to bet that ‘Last Remains’ leads to an acknowledgement of One More Day? I’m going with “Yes.... kinda,” if only because i have like 5 modern Spidey comics for Linkara to review. Also Happy Halloween!!
I want for Linkara to do a backflip about Nick Spencer undoing One More Day, only for he to realize he needs to buy A LOT of Spider-Man comic books. minimum flagship title
I think OMD will be acknowledged... but the marriage won't be restored. Will probably be a lesson that "changing the past is wrong" and restoring the marriage would change the past again so they decide not to do it.
He tried to remember where he got the name Kaine, but he wasn't Abel.
Congratulations on making the only dad joke that didn't make me cringe
Glorious.
😊I understand that reference
Web of Death's description on a Marvel wiki:
"Doctor Octopus, his mortal enemy, counteracted the poison for some reason. Kaine then killed Doctor Octopus for some other reason"
"For some reason" is the perfect phrase to describe the clone saga imo.
Ah, when even a fan-wiki can't be bothered to pretend this was any good.
If anyone's curious
marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Web_of_Death
@@Alucard-A-La-Carte The Transformers wiki does it all the time. It's great.
It's funny because I imagine that this is suppose to be for Spider-Man: Funeral for an Octopus
I still don't like the they resurrected Doctor Octopus. Sure his death wasn't iconic, like Kraven or the Green Goblin, but in the early 90's, they did a lot of great stuff with him. Web of Death is a great storyline, and captures the character of Doctor Octopus and his enmity with Spider-Man very well. I like Superior, but I still wish they had kept him dead.
Ben: ‘He should be Spider-Man’s problem!’
But, Ben, Spider-Man’s problems are OVER THERE, and OVER THERE needs to take care of its own problems!
Ben:(to Superman) Did... did you jump Earth’s just to come tell me that?
@@mitchellcowan2500 Superman: "Yes! "
"Don't make me hurt you, Ben. Peter knew first hand what happens when you solve problems that are OVER THERE..."
well yeah, that's why ben wants the bad guys to go spider-man, because they will be OVER THERE and thus he doesn't need to deal with them because they'll be OVER THERE'S problem!
How common is it for a superhero to fight a villain who's usually part of a different hero's rogues gallery? I mean I know it's happened, but I'm curious if it happens frequently or rarely or somewhere in-between.
@@adamdavis1648 I'd say it's rare to moderate. Early on in the career of a new hero being introduced is probably when you'd see it the most, like having a hero randomly happen upon some scheme of Electro at a carnival or something, to prove they can hang with the big boys. Other than that, it certainly can happen, but tends to not, mostly because the way villains are written usually involves some degree of desire for personal revenge, the hero champions an ideology the villain works against and naturally they come into conflict because of those issues, and often because they work together.
One thing I would like to see would be a year long event basically where all the villains in the entire Marvel (or DC) universe come together in one giant organization, sharing the singular purpose of defeating all the heroes once and for all. That way, you'd see people like Mystique and the Chameleon being sent to infiltrate SHIELD, the sinister six attacking Hawkeye, etc.
5:02
Spider-Man: Alright, I’ve come to stop you, Fisk.
Kingpin: Spider-Man? What are you doing here? Oh this is really embarrassing.
Spider-Man: Um, what? I’m trying to stop you like I always do.
Kingpin: Didn’t you hear? I’m Daredevil’s main enemy now. I’m waiting for him to show up. I can’t fight you right now.
Spider-Man: Wait, what?
Kingpin: Talk to me when you and Daredevil have another crossover
Spider-Man: WHAT?!
Kingpin:"i'm too busy fighting Punisher and Nick fury who for sone reason scream WAAAAAAYOOOOOUUUU everytime they grab my henchmen, i must find a new speedo!"
Green Goblin: (cackling madly as he flies above a New York street)
Hellcat: It's free real estate!
It’s kinda crazy how THIS Kaine ends up becoming a genuinely fascinating and compelling character... over 15 years later
Ironic
Indeed
I wonder if at one point, modern Kaine feels not only regret and shame of who he was, but also embarassment over his pseudo-edgelord villain self from clone saga days
@@ianr.navahuber2195 that's really good question and honestly i wonder that myself.
@@TevyaSmolka Imagine this: a story where Aracely and Kaine travel back in time to Kaine's vilanous edgelord days.
Aracely asks Kaine why he was like that, Kaine goes a little existential and deep over saying how those days are over, but aracely correcting herself saying, she gets why Kaine was a villain, but Why Kaine was a villain with an edgelord "Darkness no parents" style, to which Kaine can only respond embarassed and angry "because I was young and stupid okay"
A reverse “I AM A MAN!” That’s something you don’t normally see.
Oh, so "NOW" he wants to do the "I AM A MAN!" thing.
Where was this last year????
It said "Ben Reilly calls himself a man" right on the very first page,
and yet you ignored it back then.
th-cam.com/video/RQLeeeeP4HA/w-d-xo.html
(FF to 3:35 if you are in a hurry.)
I died laughing at that
what timestamp is it?
@@kamencj 4:15
@@jnelly2018 oh AHAHAHAH SO FUNNY!
Hot damn! First the Dinobites, now the truth about where the Confession came from, I should buy some lottery tickets!
Also, I think Linkara's growing anger was actually a lot scarier than the Confession itself. Something about those low whispers, exasperated laughs, and his almost gleeful desire for revenge was so damn unsettling. Granted, anger is totally justified in this situation. But when you combine that with his growing paranoia at unknown beings entering the house, I really hope he doesn't end up making another mistake like when he almost cost Jaeris his chance at returning home.
Not many people can claim to have kept an Internet show around for 12 years, let alone own a spaceship in the process. Congrats on doing both Linkara and happy Halloween!
"Call Linkara's therapist. Tell him he's a rich man."
--Harvey, Linksano, Viga, or pretty much anyone else in their house at some point.
Madness is the emergency exit, as a certain Clown Prince of Crime would say.
Yibidibidi dum
That "I'm not a man" gag was probably the best one of all 😂
Shouldn't you _put_ something out of frame during it?
@@Shooter__Andy Yeah, his fist
I was not expecting it and I love it : P
Linkara’s own version of “Hail Hydra”
It had me laughing way too hard at work 🤣
"I feel like a rainbow!"
Plot twist! Storyline segments have *not* returned, Likara just got a new sponsorship deal. This was the longest, weirdest Skittles commercial ever!
A message from the future:
It is 2108, the 100th Anniversary of AT4W and we still have plenty Clone Saga's stories to cover
and its LInkara's grandson hosting it as Linkara the Third
Is "The Simpsons" still getting new episodes in 2108?
@@adamdavis1648 Of course, and still trying to be culturally relevant to the times. I hear Matt Groening's head is still writing for it
@@PrincessAshley972 and One Piece and Berserk? Did Berserk finally get a complete anime adaptation?
@@balsasjekloca9308 the author of Berserk passed away before he could finish but editors are still promising to finish it with his left behind notes....eventually....and One Piece ended with the real treasure being the friends they made along the way and has a sequel series called Two Piece
The "I am not a man" moment made me laugh.
Same
Unexpected.
It's impressive that 11 years later Linkara is still finding new ways to keep doing the "I AM A MAN"
Ditto
Oh, so "NOW" he wants to do the "I AM A MAN!" thing.
Where was this last year????
It said "Ben Reilly calls himself a man" right on the very first page,
and yet you ignored it back then.
th-cam.com/video/RQLeeeeP4HA/w-d-xo.html
(FF to 3:35 if you are in a hurry.)
12 years and you still being able to get your Halloween vids and Clone Saga episode out by the end of October so as not to interfere with Secret Origins Month! It’s a Halloween miracle!
Oh buddy 12 years. Im so stupid amounts of happy!
18:25 Thanks to Ben Riley, for him, it really is "The Christmas That Almost Wasn't".
"gun shoot now" ahh, such eloquence as we have come to expect
I think "LIKE A RAINBOW!" is now one of my favorite lines from you.
20:20 This is us watching Linkara, and Linkara is watching Kaine, and Kaine is watching Ben, and Ben is watching Peter and oh god the room is spinning
RIP the Grim Hunter. We hardly knew ye.
Literally.
Two theories about what these watcher guys are:
1. They’re agents of the Temlins. Similar wardrobe to the guy who explained the Contest of Champions and punished Scarn for his disruption. They could be Temlins themselves, not sure.
2. “The experiment” relates back to Linkara’s most prolific crossover collaborator, and this is going to be a followup to Spoony’s lore
Ah, don’t worry Lewis. You’ll get it right for the 18th Anniversary in 2026. (Isn’t that fun? 10/26/26)
You know what they say Linkara, better late than never.
Agreed
May as well be the motto of the show now.
I like that Confession tried to warn Linkara in the end. Yeah, he had a job, but if that guy was able to disrupt his sub dimension and erase Linkara’s memories of the event, then something more serious is probably happening and Linkara should know about it.
Shame Confession didn’t really endear himself to be listened to, but you take what you can get!
Well, I guess Linkara now knows what it’s like to be Mephisto’d. Or rather he doesn’t because of the memory loss.
Was about to say "ugh, the contest of champions story arc is taking soooo damn long with so many questions and more mystery with few answers." But then realized you're covering the clone saga so it's actually the perfect allegory for it. Well played Linkara, Well played.
Yeah, but I suspect he's going to do a far better job of delivering those answers than Marvel Comics ever did, especially once things settle down a bit.
That, plus Covid has it so he can't get together with others to film the Contest bits. Funny thing is that apparently the Contest of Champions was supposed to be a short breather arc between The Entity's return and whatever comes next.
@@chaoticjusticezero The Confession does look familiar in design. Perhaps that's where the Entity came from: The Confession feels like a much weaker entity that uses nearly identical tactics, which pissed off the judges greatly: A potential combatant tried to do him in early as the ion storm rages on.
I'm surprised that the confession didn't turn out to be a pinhead pastiche but ip rights and things. I wonder since after dino fury Hasbro said they won't adapt sentai anymore what will become of hopr unless he plans to make hovr(vr troopers) just keep the series going. Another idea would be to start reviewing sentai and how he would have adapted it even though he said sentai isnt his cup of tea.
"I know that because shut up."
The explanation every Spiderman character gives in these bad comics.
12 years and Linkara is still as funny as ever. Don't ever change, Lewis . Here's to 12 more years!!
Is called Web of Life.
Only relevant plot detail is a character death.
Makes sense to me!
COMICS! Where hack writers think the only signifiacnt plot point is someone DYING!
9:08 what a funny coincidence. In recent Nick Spencer's Run, Peter was:
- Beaten up by the cult of Sin-Eaters
- Beaten up by THE Sin Eater with powers of lethal legion AND Juggernaut
- Almost left to die by Norman Osborn to drown in cement
- Beaten up by his spider-friends possesed by demons
- Was confronted by a demon-like being who set up a dinner table with the corpses od many of peter's deceased loved ones, like Gwen Stacy
AND ALL THAT tecnically speaking happened in the spanned of less than 24 hours In-Universe
Not gonna lie, I love your side story segments, because you never know what you get, and the absolutely outraged "CRUDE?!?" from Confession had me laughing so hard XD
18:13 to 18:27: Using Christmas movies as wordplay on Halloween. Brilliant!
I really LOVE how you've been handling the storyline stuff, specifically within the last couple years. The contest of champions storyline and recent halloweens stuff has so many interwoven plotlines and different characters at play that it feels so much more refined and creative than a lot of other media-reviewer stories skits.
Not casting any shade on other reviewers, It's just so COOL to see you put such a strong emphasis on the worldbuilding in your storylines.
Even after 12 years, I never tire of the Clone Saga.
Man, even when you're behind the schedule, you still pull out all the stops and manage to sneak in before November to get in all the Halloween vids out. For that, I commend you Linkara.
Congrats on 12 years. You are THE man! (*And* the hat is purty.)
0:35 "And the audience groaning "This is still happening?"" Yeah, that's pretty much what it was like for comics readers back when The Clone Saga was going on.
it was happening so much they coudln't even ecide who the main villain should even BE
@@sarafontanini7051 Originally it was supposed to be the Jackal. Then, they fired Tom DeFalco, split the EIC position, gave the marketing department complete control, and then everything went off the rails. Clone Saga was supposed to end in ASM #400. Eventually after Maximum Clonage screwed everything up, and the stories after it sucked, it went on for a year longer. Once they decided to end it, it took them 8 months to figure out how. They originally planned for Harry Osborn to return as Gaunt and be the one behind everything. But then Bob Harass became EIC after they reconsolidated the 5 positions. He demanded that Norman Osborn be brought back and made the villain behind the whole thing.
WHAT THE?!!!
(Spoiler Alert)
BANDIT CHIEF WAS THE MAIN ANTAGONIST OF THIS STORY ARC OF ASHOCK THE FOURTH WALL?!!
I'm more concerned about guy who Bandit Chief revealed by accident.
I doubt that The Bandit Chief is the main villain. But I wonder if the creature that’s doing an experiment to Linkara is part of the temlin?
...in America.
@@EnsignRicky011 THANK YOU! I knew it was Little Karibo, THAT'S the voice he was doing! Well... that and kind of a Kaiba.
@@prince_nocturne I definitely only recognized it due to Kaiba but i can see Keith as well. interesting twist though, sad it'll probably be another year before we can get more to it ;n; I crave more linkara lore
12 years...........and I joined with like the 5th one and I´m already feeling old. Nah it´s been a fun time and it sure will stick around for much longer, I tip my had for you my guy with the hat.
@Darth_ Madara people can stay around for a loooong time.
For me I started around the 6th
When was the 5th one? I might joined around then as well.
Thanks for 12 years. It's nice to see you're still going
I'd be lying if I said the Clone Saga anniversary videos are my most anticipated and adored episodes of Atop the Fourth Wall every year.
If your refrigerator is running, I will vote for it, we need to chill
Gotta admit, when Linkara asked Confession "Who sent you?", while Bandit Chief makes more sense for continuing the story, I thought it was gonna be revealed he was sent by Lavidian Scarn as part of a revenge plot.
Heh, well, I'm hoping we'll see Scarn again, trying to get revenge and getting his butt kicked in the end.
i think that scarn is gonna come back but i don't think he's gonna come back for the rest of this arc
Vyce had followers that the Blue Titan knew of, Bandit Chief wants to win and a shadowy entity like that is a trick Jaeris tried as a villain so it must be a known tactic, the “Doomsayer” Outer God is still a looming threat, Mechakara is at large, and Mirror Margaret is the current threat.
I’d say we have an interesting plethora of options
At long last... the return of the greatest AT4W character ever... MYSTERIOR!
What do you think Linkara'll use the Prize for if he wins the contest?
My guess: An impenetrable ward to keep his rogues gallery the hell *away* from him.
19:13 Hey, I call foul! Excalibur is NOT the Sword in the Stone, it's the one he got from the Lady of the Lake. For shame, Linkara.
Maybe that's why Jameson keeps wanting more pictures of Spiderman: Kravinoff keeps stealing them to throw stuff at.
The butler can't be an observer- he doesn't put his brain in a dish yet.
congratulations with 12 years of atop the 4 wall.
20:05 By the way it is drawn, the stingers don't bounce of his mask. They bounce of his hair.
Damn, Kaine. What kind of hairspray do you use?
Woo, 12 years and I'm proud to say I've been around for all of them! Congratulations Lewis and an extra congrats for pushing so hard to get these 3 episodes out by the end of October, you wonderful madman! :D
As for the comic, well, no matter how ridiculous they, get, I'm always down for more Clone Saga as long as you've got them to cover. And as for YOUR story, yesss, I totally called like others did that it would tie into the Contest. Still wary about this "experiment" though...
Happy anniversary Linkara.
I wish it was under better circumstances.
19:18 also also grim hunter is secretly namor. Seriously is it just me or does this panel REALLY make him look like namor?
Yep, thought the same thing.
My exact thoughts
Compared to modern comics, that is gold standard
4:15 I AM NOT A MAN!
"hanging out with Squirrel Girl" :D
"dying again" D:
(I know the Squirrel Girl characterization of Kraven never really left Squirrel Girl, but he was a delight there.)
Marvelous? Miss Marvel, Blue Marvel? Captain Marvel? Captain Marvel? Who? I must know!
He's already done Billy Batson, so considering her increased prominence in recent years, I'm guessing it's Carol.
That shadowey dude has a great "Oh crap" expression.
3 days in a row?
Id say it must be christmas, but i dont want halloween to finally be absorbed by christmas as it seems to be edging closer and closer to happening each year, resulting in christmas being able to conquer earlier and earlier into the year before it DEVOURS THE ENTIRE YEAR AND "ALL I WANT FOR CHRISTMAS IS YOU PLAYS" 24 HOURS A DAY FOR-EV-ER!!!!
You realize these were the videos that were supposed to come out this month right?
@@Pikachu2Ash i know i know just wanted to make a joke about it
Clearly, Christmas wants revenge for what Jack Skellington did.
The "Santa Claus Conquers The Martians" bit was phenomenal.
So wait, the "Confession" was just a tool of the Bandit Chief? Damn... I was hoping we'd get another creature as horrifying and complex as MissingNo. or King of Wyrms. Still, it shows how ruthless the Bandit Chief is, and what Linkara's gonna have to deal with later.
I actually really like the design of the Grim Hunter and believed that he could've been an interesting successor to Kraven if given the chance. It seemed like MArvel were on to something with him stating that the mansion wasn't his home until recently so they could've explored that by making the Grim Hunter deal being that he wants to be a successor worthy of his Father. You could've done a nice parallel between him and Ben. Maybe be the end The Grim Hunter becomes an ally. Either way, Marvel really missed out on an opportunity to build Ben's rogues gallery here especially if he was being positioned to be the new Spider-Man going forward. They killed him before he even had a chance.
Kaine is still one of my favourite characters. He had a great solo series a few years back that was unfortunately cut short although it continued in New Warriors... which was then cut short, also a good run though.
Pretty much, if Kaine is involved, I will buy it.
5:05 Unless you’re Kingpin (Spidey and Daredevil), Loki (Thor and the Avengers), Ra’s al Ghul (Batman and Green Arrow), Lex Luthor (Superman and Supergirl), Deathstroke (Batman, Green Arrow and Teen Titans), etc.
I'm honestly curious about what his thoughts of the "Clone Saga" miniseries from 2009 will be. It seemed pretty good and executed ideas that seemed more in line from many of the original plans from the saga, (combining "Smoke and Mirrors" with "Maximum Clonage" for one thing) so I'm wondering what Linkara's thoughts on it are. And if he's already mentioned it... please direct me to that.
I mean it’s post-OMD so unless the recent Kindred storyline acknowledges what all the fans have been theorizing for a year, he won’t review it.
@@benwasserman8223 Oh yeah, true. So unless he makes an exception purely for Clone Saga related stuff, we probably won't see it. I mean, he did make reference to the Clone Conspiracy, so unless he only looked at synopses, we'll just have to wait and see.
@@alexandergonyea4642 I mean the guy loved the Spider-Verse movie so maybe we can persuade him to review its comic adaptations. Spider-Geddon is pretty Peter 616-lite and features Japanese Spider-Man with his giant robot.
@@benwasserman8223 the original spiderverse event was pretty light on Peter too. I read the full collection trade that puts all the comics and tie ins in chronological order and Peter isn't recruited until a third into the story
@@daltonwilliams1723 Yeah but 616 Peter was still a lead. Geddon was a lot more focused on Miles, Gwen, Superior Spider-Man, Takuya and even the 2018 video game Peter, all of whom exist outside Linkara’s ban and thus are technically allowed to read.
So is, "I feel like a rainbow," going to be a thing now?
It's been a thing for a while. This is the third or fourth time it's come up as a response to an "Are you okay?" That I can remember, anyway. It's entirely possible it's come up even more than that.
@@JadenTSlime I only remember it from the anti-treky ghosts.
This is the first anniversary episode where I've actually been a current watcher for it! 12 years is a long time to keep a show running, kudos! I hope to many more years of it
"That's gotta be Kaine! That's gotta be Kaine!"
I always feel like slapping anyone who argues a clone isn't real. No, you're not the original person, but you're still a unique individual.
I love that they thought that after the clone saga theyd just have ben change his name to peter and act like none of it ever happened thinking readers would forget, when everyone knows audiences are smarter than that
For instance, its been 20 years and people still ask the Pokemon Company when the GS Ball plot will be resolved (tbf it was like a 20 episode arc)
I do feel odd for only now catching up on the anniversary episodes a year after this one, so missed opportunity to congratulate Atop the Fourth Wall, age 12
Congrats on a dozen years! Here's to a baker's dozen!
I love how Eliza has a sonic lance from Blake's 7, a weapon bigger than herself!
DAMN! Three videos in three days!? We’re not worthy!
32:10 You're seeing a therapist? Oh wow, then he or she is officially one of the four therapists with most, shall we say, "interesting" patients ever (which, you know, speaks volume of their mind that they themselves don't go crazy listening to said patients), the other three being: the unnamed therapist of Steven Universe (from Steven Universe Future tv show), Linda, therapist of Lucifer Morningstar (from Lucifer tv show), and Threnody, therapist of Blackjack (from Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons - Speak fanfiction) xD
The storyline starts at 27:34!
Thanks but I enjoy the whole thing 😊
I live in the Netherlands, so US versions of comics are hard to get, but I managed to get hold of the US versions of quite a lot of Spider-Man comics, most of which are stories from the clone saga, including the four you cover in this video. So this time I could read along. I really enjoy you doing the entire clone saga, as it fills in the gaps for the comics I'm missing.
If anyone is curious, ARES's only other appearance was in the Solo four issue limited series. That series did include Spider-Man as a supporting character and ended right before Web of Life was published, so readers at might have recognized ARES at the time. It's not surprising no one remembers them though.
5:10 I vaguely remember a storyline in the 80's where Marvel's greatest villains swapped heroes to attack and it resulted in the villains almost winning, so... yeah
Happy Halloween and Happy 12th Year Anniversary
Peter: I'm not a man!
I am a Spider man! (Punch)
Ben Reilly: And I'm not a man!
I am a Clone! (Punch)
12 years of wonderful videos and very RARELY have you sent a bad video, and even your worst videos tend to be better than most people’s average. So glad to see you doing this and keep on doing it. Thanks for giving me a lot of videos to enjoy and keep me happy through bad years and good years. Thanks Lewis, for being the best of the best and not a scumbag.
The Gregor who went after Kazar in the Savage Land was not a butler to the Kravinov family, but Kraven's mentor, one of the people who trained him as a hunter. If this Gregor is supposed to be the same guy, the writers and editor dropped the ball again.
I can't help but see the anniversary episodes as a birthday gift because the 26 of October is my birthday lol
Great work as always Lewis! c:
12 YEARS!? Way to go!
Question: how is "Kain" a title.
Answer: it is a misspelled version of Cain, the 1st murderer. most likely meant to be edgy and symbolic at the same time.
Happy 12th Aniversary! Thank you for amazing stories both in Comics and in Storylines. It has bee a blast to follow and hopefully to keep on following in the future. Take care of yourselfs and all the best!
Happy 12th ATFW. It feels great to see you guys doing storyline stuff again.
For some reason, Kraven's son reminds me of sabertooth...as does kraven, actually. I think its that weird fluffy fur thing they were around their necks. Sabertooth has that too.
On that note, I would love to see a fight between sabertooth and kraven the hunter...also, I'd prefer if they stop dicking around with sabertooth being a hero or villain. Leave him as a hero. The fact they keep flip flopping on that is weird, and tells me that sabertooth HAS fans in marvel...also the fact he's died and come back to life a few times.
TWELVE YEARS! CONGRATULATIONS! I can't wait for the next twelve reviews of Clone Saga.
"I feel like a rainbow" stated with a growl made me burst out laughing, and now I want it on a t-shirt very badly
I CANT LIE BUT I KINDA LOVE THE CLONE SAGA AND ANY AND EVERYTHING THAT DEALSWITH THEM BEN KAIN AND THAT WIERD CRAP THAT DEALS WITH JACKEL
....why do i suddenly feel the need to duel that bandit in a children's card game?
In America?
... while you realize the rules are too complex to actually play the game?
@@罪のアリス screw the rules he steals money!!!
wow... three At4w videos in a single week, AND one on halloween?
AWESOME!!
HAPPY HALLOWEEN LINKARA! Kinda surprised he didn’t bring up the story about Kraven’s ghost.
Lots of Tom Lyle in this video, he was my professor at SCAD for a few years and is greatly missed since he passed away. 💙
Great and funny video, happy 12th anniversary! Hope there are lots more! 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
Twelve year anniversary on halloween? How beautiful!
I don't know what the hell is happening in the ending, but I love it and I want to watch everything that came before it that's related, as soon as I finish watching all your clone saga videos.
So to anyone’s following Nick Spencer’s Spider-Man, who wants to bet that ‘Last Remains’ leads to an acknowledgement of One More Day? I’m going with “Yes.... kinda,” if only because i have like 5 modern Spidey comics for Linkara to review.
Also Happy Halloween!!
I want for Linkara to do a backflip about Nick Spencer undoing One More Day, only for he to realize he needs to buy A LOT of Spider-Man comic books. minimum flagship title
I think OMD will be acknowledged... but the marriage won't be restored. Will probably be a lesson that "changing the past is wrong" and restoring the marriage would change the past again so they decide not to do it.
@@Phantom9252 as long as they remarry in the present and remember thye used to be married it will be enough for me
@@Phantom9252 True, but Peter was trying to propose to MJ before she left for Hollywood so....
@@ianr.navahuber2195 not enough for linkara who says they have to acknowledge in story that the deal is off
Oh my god, the man who saved Linkara is the same one responsible for the cats situation/retcon.
I was NOT expecting the "I am NOT a man!" joke :)
I suddenly have the urge to play a children's trading card game with undecipherable rules.