Erik Satie Scale - analysis and uses in Jazz improvisation
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- In this video I introduce a scale that I call the 'Satie Scale' that Erik Satie used in his piano composition Gnossienne no 3. It is a 6 note minor scale with an exotic sound containing the sharpened 4 and natural 6 degrees.
Later in the video I demonstrate the sound of this scale over a
minor chord vamp when improvising.
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00:15 Life and Biog
1:45 Satie Scale
3:10 demonstration of sound over vamp.
Éric Alfred Leslie Satie 17 May 1866 - 1 July 1925)was a French composer and pianist. Satie was a colourful figure in the early 20th-century Parisian avant-garde.
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Thank you, great video. I think it makes sense to look at this scale as Dorian #4, the fourth mode of the Harmonic minor. In this particular Gnossienne, Satie chose not to play the 7th degree of the scale, but if you introduce it it will not change the overall sound, as it is not an essential note that gives the scale its particular color. Gnossienne 1 and Gnossienne 4 are based on the same Dorian #4 mode where Satie uses the whole scale, 7th degree included, so I believe it would be fair to say that this mode is what he based his ideas on.
I loved the favor of the sacale for me is very expressive
a hexatonic take on the 4th mode of E harmonic minor. excellent vid.
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Thanks so much. Very inspiring, been playing with this scale lately because of this video
in my opponent, the best music tutorial is one with lots of music playing instead of talking. yours is a great example. likes the sax playing at the end
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this is like 12 tone but even more indepth and also alot about improv.
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Completely fantastic! Thank you so much!
It’s melodic minor with the tritone moved to the tonic (2 alterations)… sounds lovely.
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Wow I never heard a minor application like that. Beautiful and dark, mysterious and well put together i am both happy and sad lol
Thank you for this amazing and simple explanation!
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I love Satie.
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This was an amazing breakdown of my favorite composer
For what it's worth, I'd add in that G and call it Ukrainian Dorian, the 4th mode of the harmonic minor scale. Not quite as popular as the fifth mode, Phrygian-Dominant (used predominantly in Spanish and Jewish/Klezmer music) but a gorgeous sound nonetheless. I feel in the Satie, once it lands on the second chord (the E minor), it still has a pull back towards the A, making it feel like the tonal centre. It does very obviously modulate to the E Ukrainian Dorian/Dorian #11 later on though.
Due to the nature of these chords i and II, there's a very natural pull to the v, and I think the trick is for the composer to make the piece feel like it's stable in i (in this case, A), without getting II to feel like a dominant and accidentally modulate to v (in this case, E minor). Opeth's track 'A Fair Judgement' actually does this. It starts out with just A minor and B major and creates a hauntingly beautiful atmosphere (combined with great supporting instrumentation, a distant and filtered piano intro etc). Then about 2 minutes in it finally arrives in E minor, making the Am and B feel more like iv and V in hindsight. It's amazing how we can interpret music, or even a simple chord or two so very differently considering their context. I can go back to the start of A Fair Judgement and feel this mysterious atmosphere, or I can mentally skim ahead and wait for that Em and feel the music differently - with less of an air of mystery yet more of tension, a slow pull towards that eventual tonic.
woah!! absolute best satie video i've watched nd i've pretty much watched all of them, none of them talks about the satie scale! this is fucking brilliant, thanks!
Thanks. Super.
amazing sound
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awsome! !!.... great explanation. this is very helpful. Cheers
Thank you for the great tutorial
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E Minor armonic starting from A user when you play cadenza plagale
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I figure something After practicing this scale for a few moment on guitar fretboard.
it's easy to Remember when I remove 3b in a Harmony Minor Scale I will get another Erik Satie Scale.
I memorise Melodic Minor Scale by #1，C# D E F G A B＝D melodic minor Scale.
I memorise Harmonic Minor Scale by #5, C D E F G# A B＝A Harmonic minor Scale.
All depend on C major scale.
So when I get these two scales familiar while improvising, it's Easy to combine them into C# D E F G# A B(=D melodic 4# Minor),then remove C# , Another Erik Satie Scale on D。
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Awesome.
Great! Thanks!
Wow. Really great vid. I never listened to Satie much except for Gymnopedies. Now I'm really gonna check him out. Thanks.😁🎹🎶
Great colors man!
3:10, that scale sounds soooo good to me, anything but exotic or different, and, yes, I'm Turkish. and a small note, want this kind of stuff more, search for Ilhan Ersahin
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I'm late to the party. Love this video!!!! Good stuff!
Great!!!
With a G# it would become the gypsy or arabic scale. Oh the colors... so great. The "gap" between F# and A sounds so nice. Good improv! And nice video =)
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Thank you, gonna try this on footprints
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Okay.. flat five and major 7th. Thank you.
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He reminds me of the infamous Joe Haisishi (not sure about spelling). His music is very similiar but with an extra Persian feeling to his music (Satie)
True, the way they buld motifs and phrasing is quite similar. But Satie is more on this harmonic minor vibe
Indeed !
Nice one
This scale is used in Jewish music with the addition of the b7. Mi Sheberach I think - one of the liturgical modes
Yes, that would be the same as the 4th mode of harmonic minor or dorian #4. Do you know if there is a name for this scale in Jewish music? I know that in Arabic music, there is the Hijaz scale which is basically identical to the 5th mode of harmonic minor. Thanks for the info!
Also called Ukrainian Dorian
yeah i think it's called "klezmer" or something like that...
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Jens Larsen has a video where he suggests using the 4th mode of harmonic minor to play over tonic minor 7th chords in modal tunes, so this scale would work in the same exact context, though it would be missing the 7th which is an important chord tone. Still, if you were improvising in the 4th mode of harmonic minor, you could quote a melody from a well-known piece by Satie to get a rise from any Satie fans in the audience.
Thanks so much for this. This is identical to the 4th mode of harmonic minor but missing the 7th. At 2:24 you can see the "Satie Scale" in A is the same as E harmonic minor but missing the third (G) which would be the 7th in the 4th mode starting on A.
It reminds me some John Surnam's pieces, like Not love Perhaps
i think of this as H minor a fith abow
Hi and thanks again for this brilliant video. I suppose the scale used and played on the saxophone is the A scale transposed to the type of saxophone used, right? Philippe
Interesting.
Es la escala Lidia Disminuida (Lidia menor) omit 7. El 4to modo de la escala Mayor Armónica (1 2 3 4 5 b6 7). Lo cual da como resultado 1 2 b3 #4 5 6 7, pero Satie omitía la 7ma y da ese resultado.
Iván Chávez en ese caso, yo pensaría más en el 4o modo de la menor armónica, dórica #4, ya que asumir la 7 mayor en un acorde menor es algo muy específico y "naturalmente" (aunque sea omitida) la 7a menor es más propia para un acorde menor. Aún así lo que destaca aquí más que nada es el tono y medio entre la 3a y la 4a por lo que es muy atinado que se te haya ocurrido resolver esto con una escala armónica y no me explico por qué en el vídeo no lo comentan, incluso me parece que lo hacen más complicado (raro en este canal). Es sabido que el tipo de armonía que se explotó más en el Impresionismo y otras corrientes derivadas del mismo, fue la armonía modal ¡Saludos!
Hay 2 segundas aumentadas, estre la 3 y 4, y la 6 y 1
He explores this scales further as in his triad pair improvisation video part 2
I think I'm late to the party, but this scale sounds a lot like the Romanian Minor scale, which is a minor scale with a raised 4th and 6th. Basically the exact same thing, except it has a 7.
Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't this just the 4th mode of the Harmonic minor scale? Before I've seen this video, I was already noodling around different modes of the harmonic minor scale. Eventually, I found the 4th mode having this uniquely distinct sound. :) I have heard of Satie's music but never really paid attention to it. I guess now I have something to project on. :) Awesome vid. I love your channel.
that modes has 7 notes, this scale has 6. Big thing not having the 7th in the scale, makes the sound ambiguous
@@JazzDuets I see. True true. I didn't pay close attention. I was watching this video in a crowded train with a mask. What a time to live in. Anyway, indeed... That missing 7th seems to add the special sound. Very hard to explain. But I guess ambiguous is about right. Thanks for the response and keep up the good work.
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How beautiful is the sonority of this scale! I would like to know more of his harmonic posibilities. I mean, there is a I minor (add13?) and then a II Major, but, which other chords may appear and what would be its functionality?
If we're not counting suspended/modal triad and only count triads with a root, third and fifth, you can get a diminished chord build from the I, iii, sharp 4 and VI scale degree (Adim, Cdim, D#dim, F#dim, which would explain why you get that prygian dominant vibe ?), but that's pretty much it imo. As you only have 6 scales degrees, you're pretty limited with the number of chords you can generate from it.
Since this scale is the same as the 4th mode of harmonic minor but missing the 3rd, you could use all of the harmony from that scale and play over it with this one. Of course, you would have to be careful to not accidentally sound like you're in the relative harmonic minor scale, so I'd stray away from hanging out on the v chord too much, and definitely don't go from the II chord to the v chord because that would be the same as the V to i chord cadence in harmonic minor and would shift the tonic in the listener's ears.
it's probably worth mentioning that this scale (Dorian #4) and the other modes of the harmonic minor scale are quite common in Eastern European traditional and folk music, whether Satie knew this I don't know
Sorry.This is Not the 4th mode of the harmonic minor scale. The harmonic minor has 7 notes. This scale has 6 notes. The interval between F# and A is probably the most characteristic thing of this scale. But thanks for this as it has inspired me to make a video about space and less is more etc. Satie left us so much with so little. Cheers!
Cool!! In A it has the sound collection of E harmonic minor with no third. So it's a modal permutation of the scale omitting one important note that could leads you to another tonal center (E), and that is what you don't want. Am I right? @Jazzduets
Please record a whole album's worth of jazz Satie.
George Russell's Lydian Diminished Scale without the 7th.
Omfg YES
Fourth mode of Harmonic Minor
close but no cigar
isn't that scale dorian #11, the 4th mode of harmonic minor?
Amazing content and immediately applicable! I see alot of similarities with the ottoman 'nikriz' mode which is also spelled 1 2 b3 #4 5 6 7/b7 8, also erkan oğur has a great fretless guitar version of this... btw how would you harmonize this scale besides the 2 triads?
he uses 6 notes, maybe that´s why just 2 triads take the whole scale
Really nice lesson. I had a thought though, don't the scale degrees 1 2 b3 #4 5 6 simply describe the Dorian mode of Harmonic Minor?
NO! It is its own thing, a hexatonic scale, like the Wholetone scale, but with less symmetry (and therefore unlike the diminished scales, with their symmetry). One could say they are related to the mode of the Harmonic System, only missing the 7th scale degree, but that is sort of missing the point; not unlike a case such as one of the modes of the Pentatonic Scale being merely a Major scale without the 4th and 7th degrees.
Dorian #4 the 4th mode of harmonic minor scale sans the m7.
NO! It is its own thing, a hexatonic scale, like the Wholetone scale,
but with less symmetry (and therefore unlike the diminished scales, with
their symmetry). One could say they are related to the mode of the
Harmonic System, only missing the 7th scale degree, but that is sort of
missing the point; not unlike a case such as one of the modes of the
Pentatonic Scale being merely a Major scale without the 4th and 7th
degrees.
Which recordings of which performers are used in this video? Does anyone happen to know?
Please share any essential bibliography about Satie’s analysis
What is your name? Are there videos of yourself performing live with other musicians? Thank you!
John Cage's 'In a Landscape' and 'Dream' seems to use a different scales "lacking notes" to me
Solo es valida en tonalidades menores? o puede usarse en la relativa mayor ?
si, se puede! si te guste! es interesante!
If you people love jazz check Jacques loussier trio Satie álbum