Cheers Tony for your kind comment. I think I went over the top with the smoke on the windows though but from memory the can was running out and splattered big drops in places so tried to even it all out.
I think if you used them off road you would see a difference as i think that is what the torque tunned is for..I have a sports tunned in my lunched box and on the road it is a good fast motor but on a sports field it does start to struggle, I am just about to buy a torque tunned just because of this reason
Good luck with the upgrade hope it's fast. For this little beast I'm not sure if I will put a brushless in it. With such a short wheelbase it is very skittish to the point where if I just back off the throttle it spins out so have to remember to always use the break. Thanks for your comment PhilthyCoRC.
Traxxas Stinger is made by Mabuchi and is a 20 turn variant. Its faster then both of these motors. Only down side is it can't run for more then 15 minutes. Atleast with mine Ive noticed on hot days when bashing for 20+ minutes performance starts to suffer. But other then that the Stinger is a dirt cheap motor that's taken everything I've thrown at it and keeps going.
Cool vid I see a few comments on here regarding the stated rpm and torque, I have to say as an owner of most of the tamiya motors and 4 sport tuned that thier performance can jump around plus or minus 10%. the best cars for sport tuned for me have been Hornets and Hoppers as they are very light and have minimal interference in the gear train. Remember the stated outputs on the Sport Tune is at best efficiency probably around 70% soo rpm on a 7.4v lipo should be in the 22000-23000 rpm which seems right for a 23t can motor. A TTO2B that I have extensivly modiefied I run with a 23t BZ with ball bearings added and taps clipped for more advance timing @32000 at no load and it is fast and very smooth. I have recently put two Sport Tunes into a clod buster and it has no problem popping wheelies so I believe the torque is a good increase over stock just my 5 cents. Cheers.
Good video Rob. It is strange that the controversy about Turns and Advanced Timing hasn't been cleared up after all these years. You would think that Tamiya would want their customers to know exactly what they were getting. Sometimes they work in mysterious ways. Hope you didn't make Mark's ankle throb too much lol : )
Thanks for comment Derek. I know what you mean they do seem to do some weird stuff. Normally we take a fold up chair for him to sit on but he did drive his Super Fighter into the Iron Man boot he has to wear the other day walking back to the car
Sorry to leave this question here but I can't find much information on the internet. I have a tl01 chassis and I recently put the tamiya torque tuned motor in it. I am using a steel 19t pinion. Is this okay or does it have to match the 25t spec of the motor?
Hi Balker. The 25T spec of the motor is the number of turns of copper wire inside it and has nothing to do with the number of teeth on the pinion gear. The number of turns in a motor determine how fast the rotor will spin. The lower the number of turns the faster the rotor will spin. So to sum up you are fine using the 19 tooth gear with the 25 turn motor. Hope this helps
Thanks very much for the help. I did a few runs today and noticed that my motor was getting very hot, definitely too hot to hold a finger on for 5 seconds so beyond the recommended temperature for sure. After some research I found a few people saying a cool ESC + hot motor is usually the result of being undergeared so tomorrow I will try out a 21t and a 23t pinion and hope to sort this issue out.
Cool vid, looks like a tough car to drive at high speed, to make it easier, check you steering trim as the car seemed to keep veering to the left and turn your steering exponential down a bit to smooth out the corrections. Very interesting to see only a 1mph difference, which is less than the Tamiya specs indicate
Hi Michael. Thanks for the advice. As it happens I had just got a new Turnigy GT5 transmitter and was and still am getting used to all the different settings on it. I had done a bit of testing out with it and it looked to run OK until we got it to the park and started the long runs. I had the gyro stabilisation on but I think I had too high a value on the steering which is why you may see it wobbling. I also have at the moment a really cheap servo in it and it doesn't seem to respond to the trim settings very well. I think I just need to play around with it some more and maybe swap out the server for a better one.
Great test. Got a lot of video-catching up to do after my family vacation. So, the max speed in the video is different than the max speed in the description box? And yeah, I think the torque tuned motor is a great motor. And again yes, I’ve been confused about the specs of both ever since I got one. As soon as some one comes up with the knowledge, another one turns up and contradicts it. I’ve had a brand new Sport Tuned and Torque Tuned lying in their boxes for a long time, to do some videos and testing. Also just ordered a brand new standard RS540 and a Johnson, so to have some definitly not-timed cans to compare them with. Great video, Rob!
Hi Mikael. Hope you had a lovely vacation? Yes we have seen this on several runs. Not sure why the display shows less than the data, perhaps it's a timing thing in the firmware. I gave up in the end trying to find a conclusive spec. As for the Mabuchi versus Johnson, Marks XV-01 LDI came with a Johnson and my TT-02 LDI came with a Mabuchi so we will be comparing them all be it in different chassis's. Thanks for the lovely comment it really means a lot.
Only 1 mph difference between Torque Tuned and Sport Tuned? I think Tamiya should give you a refund on the Sport Tuned!!! Although, I see from the description there is a lot of controversy about the "uprated" motors - maybe it's true they are all 27 turn after all (with different timings). Anyway mate - lovely video ;D
The data Tamiya claims for the sport tuned motor is overexaggerated by atleast approx 1000 rpm, and its no way near the claimed torque of 350 g-cm, but more like 250-260. I realized this like 20+years ago after reading some good ole Tamiya cataloges, "use a smaller pinion when upgrading to sport tuned motor" they claim, i mean why?! shouldnt a CLAIMED more powerful motor be able to handle the same pinion size? (or even bigger) and it was a proven fact for about 5 years ago when i replaced the stock motors in my TXT-1 with the sport tuned - zero differences in acceleration if any it was actually worse, only slightly higher top speed
Hi Tommy. As there is very little difference in speed I would go for the Torque tuned motor as here in the UK it is 10GBP cheaper than the sport tuned motor.
That's a cute RC Rob. Are we allowed to say that as blokes ? Anyway, so if you get a kit with a torque tuned motor then it's not really worth spending out on a Sport Tuned one by the looks of things. I haven't actually tested my RC's for speed but I don't think that there is that much between the different brushless motors if they use the same battery and ESC. The only one that was remarkably quicker was that sensored one I had with the programming box. It wasn't up to much with the Tamiya ESC but with the programmable one it absolutely flew. Anyway nice comparison vid mate :-)
Cheers Pete. Yes I think it's OK. To fit the Colt body I had to shorten the wheelbase of the chassis. Yes I had heard that the Tamiya TBLE-02 doesn't allow none Tamiya motors to run at their full potential
Hi Robert. Yes the the torque tuned motor should give you 2 or 3mph and would enable you to install a bigger pinion gear (if your kit allows). Hope this helps.
Fantastic video again Rob.great looking RC 😊 Well done my friend 👍😊👍
Cheers Tony for your kind comment. I think I went over the top with the smoke on the windows though but from memory the can was running out and splattered big drops in places so tried to even it all out.
I like it. Awesome video!
Thanks man. Glad you enjoyed it.
Really nice Video .This little Mitsubishi Rally car looks very Awesome and also you have make a lot of great upgrades . I love this Stuff . Very nice.
Thanks Harry RC. I got the shell of Ebay the M-chassis originally came with the Fiat 500 shell. Thanks again for the wonderful comment.
I think if you used them off road you would see a difference as i think that is what the torque tunned is for..I have a sports tunned in my lunched box and on the road it is a good fast motor but on a sports field it does start to struggle, I am just about to buy a torque tunned just because of this reason
Sweet run's..i was going to put a sport tuned in my tt-02b but went brushless instead..doing the swap this weekend
Good luck with the upgrade hope it's fast. For this little beast I'm not sure if I will put a brushless in it. With such a short wheelbase it is very skittish to the point where if I just back off the throttle it spins out so have to remember to always use the break. Thanks for your comment PhilthyCoRC.
Rob Brennan decided to do a few different Motor swaps before I go brushless
What moter is beter for a clodbuster? Torque of sport? Its for offroading...
Hi. I would go for torque tuned motors for off road use
Traxxas Stinger is made by Mabuchi and is a 20 turn variant. Its faster then both of these motors. Only down side is it can't run for more then 15 minutes. Atleast with mine Ive noticed on hot days when bashing for 20+ minutes performance starts to suffer. But other then that the Stinger is a dirt cheap motor that's taken everything I've thrown at it and keeps going.
Thanks for the info Robert I will certainly check them out and thanks for watching.
I had a traxxas stinger in my Tamiya Blitzer beetle back in 2004 to 2006 ish. Was an awesome motor I drove it into the ground but it sure was a horse
I have tt02 subaru impreza and does it make a difference on speed on a 3s lipo in it?
I ran a TT-02 on 3s and with a 4.5T motor and got 65MPH. Thanks for watching and all the best.
@robbrennanrc I'm running it on a Zee battery with 80c. With the high-speed gearing hop upgrade.😄
Cool vid I see a few comments on here regarding the stated rpm and torque, I have to say as an owner of most of the tamiya motors and 4 sport tuned that thier performance can jump around plus or minus 10%. the best cars for sport tuned for me have been Hornets and Hoppers as they are very light and have minimal interference in the gear train. Remember the stated outputs on the Sport Tune is at best efficiency probably around 70% soo rpm on a 7.4v lipo should be in the 22000-23000 rpm which seems right for a 23t can motor. A TTO2B that I have extensivly modiefied I run with a 23t BZ with ball bearings added and taps clipped for more advance timing @32000 at no load and it is fast and very smooth.
I have recently put two Sport Tunes into a clod buster and it has no problem popping wheelies so I believe the torque is a good increase over stock just my 5 cents. Cheers.
The sport tuned seams to have stated a higher max torque than the torque tuned.
Good video Rob. It is strange that the controversy about Turns and Advanced Timing hasn't been cleared up after all these years. You would think that Tamiya would want their customers to know exactly what they were getting. Sometimes they work in mysterious ways. Hope you didn't make Mark's ankle throb too much lol : )
Thanks for comment Derek. I know what you mean they do seem to do some weird stuff. Normally we take a fold up chair for him to sit on but he did drive his Super Fighter into the Iron Man boot he has to wear the other day walking back to the car
Sorry to leave this question here but I can't find much information on the internet. I have a tl01 chassis and I recently put the tamiya torque tuned motor in it. I am using a steel 19t pinion. Is this okay or does it have to match the 25t spec of the motor?
Hi Balker. The 25T spec of the motor is the number of turns of copper wire inside it and has nothing to do with the number of teeth on the pinion gear. The number of turns in a motor determine how fast the rotor will spin. The lower the number of turns the faster the rotor will spin. So to sum up you are fine using the 19 tooth gear with the 25 turn motor. Hope this helps
Thanks very much for the help. I did a few runs today and noticed that my motor was getting very hot, definitely too hot to hold a finger on for 5 seconds so beyond the recommended temperature for sure. After some research I found a few people saying a cool ESC + hot motor is usually the result of being undergeared so tomorrow I will try out a 21t and a 23t pinion and hope to sort this issue out.
Cool vid, looks like a tough car to drive at high speed, to make it easier, check you steering trim as the car seemed to keep veering to the left and turn your steering exponential down a bit to smooth out the corrections. Very interesting to see only a 1mph difference, which is less than the Tamiya specs indicate
Hi Michael. Thanks for the advice. As it happens I had just got a new Turnigy GT5 transmitter and was and still am getting used to all the different settings on it. I had done a bit of testing out with it and it looked to run OK until we got it to the park and started the long runs. I had the gyro stabilisation on but I think I had too high a value on the steering which is why you may see it wobbling. I also have at the moment a really cheap servo in it and it doesn't seem to respond to the trim settings very well. I think I just need to play around with it some more and maybe swap out the server for a better one.
Great test. Got a lot of video-catching up to do after my family vacation. So, the max speed in the video is different than the max speed in the description box? And yeah, I think the torque tuned motor is a great motor. And again yes, I’ve been confused about the specs of both ever since I got one. As soon as some one comes up with the knowledge, another one turns up and contradicts it. I’ve had a brand new Sport Tuned and Torque Tuned lying in their boxes for a long time, to do some videos and testing. Also just ordered a brand new standard RS540 and a Johnson, so to have some definitly not-timed cans to compare them with. Great video, Rob!
Hi Mikael. Hope you had a lovely vacation? Yes we have seen this on several runs. Not sure why the display shows less than the data, perhaps it's a timing thing in the firmware. I gave up in the end trying to find a conclusive spec. As for the Mabuchi versus Johnson, Marks XV-01 LDI came with a Johnson and my TT-02 LDI came with a Mabuchi so we will be comparing them all be it in different chassis's. Thanks for the lovely comment it really means a lot.
Only 1 mph difference between Torque Tuned and Sport Tuned? I think Tamiya should give you a refund on the Sport Tuned!!! Although, I see from the description there is a lot of controversy about the "uprated" motors - maybe it's true they are all 27 turn after all (with different timings). Anyway mate - lovely video ;D
Thanks dude. I know I thought there would have been more of a difference. May have to put a stock motor in and see what speed that gives.
Yeah mate - I think you have to run a stock silver can, for completeness - I bet it does 18mph!!! ;D
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The data Tamiya claims for the sport tuned motor is overexaggerated by atleast approx 1000 rpm, and its no way near the claimed torque of 350 g-cm, but more like 250-260. I realized this like 20+years ago after reading some good ole Tamiya cataloges, "use a smaller pinion when upgrading to sport tuned motor" they claim, i mean why?! shouldnt a CLAIMED more powerful motor be able to handle the same pinion size? (or even bigger) and it was a proven fact for about 5 years ago when i replaced the stock motors in my TXT-1 with the sport tuned - zero differences in acceleration if any it was actually worse, only slightly higher top speed
Which one do you recommend the sports tuned or the one your useing
Hi Tommy. As there is very little difference in speed I would go for the Torque tuned motor as here in the UK it is 10GBP cheaper than the sport tuned motor.
That's a cute RC Rob. Are we allowed to say that as blokes ? Anyway, so if you get a kit with a torque tuned motor then it's not really worth spending out on a Sport Tuned one by the looks of things. I haven't actually tested my RC's for speed but I don't think that there is that much between the different brushless motors if they use the same battery and ESC. The only one that was remarkably quicker was that sensored one I had with the programming box. It wasn't up to much with the Tamiya ESC but with the programmable one it absolutely flew. Anyway nice comparison vid mate :-)
Cheers Pete. Yes I think it's OK. To fit the Colt body I had to shorten the wheelbase of the chassis. Yes I had heard that the Tamiya TBLE-02 doesn't allow none Tamiya motors to run at their full potential
The TBLE-02S is programmable Though..Did you not program it to fully?
25t vs 23t motor
So would the torque tuned motor be a jump in speed still from a standard 540 you get in a kit?
Hi Robert. Yes the the torque tuned motor should give you 2 or 3mph and would enable you to install a bigger pinion gear (if your kit allows).
Hope this helps.