Great video Ron. It's becoming more and more transparent that money can make a huge difference to the results that photographers can achieve. That's not detracting from the skills of the photographer but the difference expensive gear can make is definitely noticeable. The image of the Osprey coming into the nest at 12:49 in the video is superb. Caught my eye straight away. All the best.
It is about having the right tool for the job, and today's technology really helps any level of photography make better images. Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment.
I have the RF600 F4 attached to my R5, I bought the 2x RF TC and shortly after sent it back to Amazon. Footage was very soft compared to the EF500 mkii with EF 2x TC mkiii.
I tried 3 2x TCs before I found one that, when paired with my 600, provided very sharp images. None of these TCs are made specifically for any particular lens, and there are variances in the TCs, so it may take a few before you find one that pairs well with you particular copy of a lens.
I just sold my EF600 IS II last month and picked up the RF 600 and teleconverters. Using it on the R5 and only had a couple outings with it so far but the weight savings is great and the IS is so quite compared to the old EF. Over the next seven days I’m hoping to get out and really use it to see how it compares image quality wise.
That is one thing I did not mention. The lens when attached to the R3 and R5 is almost silent while focusing and stabilizing. I love that aspect of this new lens on these bodies.
Amazing set up. Works amazing. on my 400EF f2.8iii I use the 1.4xTCef with adapter(3rdparty w/ring - had to shave off with a file to increase the inner circumference ) then Rf 2xTC.. auto focus still works great.
@@enxunw1282 there was a Y uo T u be video on this mod. by Kamil Pekala ; pretty much the same thing i did. [ I used Viltrox ] btw, this works on all the EF lens that I own. TC on all the EF lens LOL.. really fun. THIS REALLY MAKES ME ANGRY AT CANON, it's so simple and they don't make it for us. Forcing me to buy more "other" products. smile.
@@j.kimmer1509 I wished some manufacturers could make adapters with this use case in mind. With the mod, do you get the lens information correct (with 2x) in exif? -Ah nvm, saw that was mentioned in Kamil's video.
@@enxunw1282 it works as if it's native and no hiccups. I filed a bit too much to almost remove all the plastic. So far the RF lens transmits all the data properly (no adapter) ... I will have to do a more detailed tests but for everyday work flow it works like a native lens or better.
Congratulations and thanks for the video. I almost always have the 2x on my EF 600mm f4 ii and don’t notice much loss in image quality. Still waiting for the R1 😊. All the best.
Yep. Things are expensive. Canon is expected to come out with 50+ lenses over the next few years, I am sure some will be competitively priced with Nikon and Sony.
Hmmmm I have the EF 600 F4 lll and have used it for 3 years adapted with my R5. Works great. When I acquired an R3, I see some improvement with AF speed. I can not justify getting a RF 600mm F4 since there is no savings in weight nor gain in AF speed. For bargain seekers, the EF 600 lll is a great deal.
Excellent info as always Ron. There is only one problem. This video and talking to you on the dock last weekend is going to cost me a lot of money! Time to upgrade from the EF version II.
Thank you for the feedback on the performance of the RF600 on the R-3. I am really looking forward to your impressions and demonstration when mounted on the R-5. Over the years I have owned all the 5D models and several 1D's. I have always observed a marked difference in autofocus speed of the EF600 Mkll when mounted on say the 5D MklV VS say the 1DMklV. The Pro-Body with it's BIG battery drives that AF very rapidly as compared to the 5D body's. It will be interesting to observe and compare this aspect when mounted on the R-5. Again thank you and keep the great info and images coming.
I'm in love with the RF, the teleconverters I find superior in every single way. I love it on the R5 and can't wait to drive it with an R1. Wait till you see the rig I made for the 2 600's :)
Next level. Love where you're taking your channel. Whilst I appreciate that the artist in you wants to withhold the RAW images, could you provide your settings instead? Regardless, thanks for all you do.
I appreciate that! I can start providing the settings. I am just lazy and very busy, so some times I am just not able to add in all the little details I would like to provide.
Great video, I’m saving up for R5, I’ve not made the move to mirrorless yet , still have my trusty 5D4, but now having seen your video I’m wondering if I should wait and buy the R3 instead 🤔
For me it really depends on if I am shooting action or need the pixels for smaller birds. I use the R3 for action and R5 for warblers and stuff like that.
@@whistlingwingsphotography Thank you, yes I do need the Pixels, small birds are my favourite subjects and it will allow me to crop more so R5 for me.👍
Hi Ron, I've been using your three button back-button autofocus on my R3, thanks a lot for sharing that setup. How did you modify that setup so you could have one of the buttons toggle spot autofocus but with no eye-detect, as you're doing in this video?
You can use the Multifunction 2 button on the front of the camera to toggle tracking on and off. That is one way. The other way is in the Record and Recall a Shooting Function submenu do not put a check mark next to Subject Tracking. Cheers, Ron
Great images, As always! EF600L is expensive lens, did it retain its resale value? Was the depreciation value justify? did it paid itself over time? I heard it is best obtain a used super-tele than buy new, as the used one retain value very well, and they last, and very robust and reliable. What do you think?
I got a good price for my used EF 600 f/4 Mk. II. I agree buying used can be a good way to go, but you won't save much on a lens as new and hard to find as the RF 600mm f/4. So, if you want one you will need to pay full price.
Congratulations Ron. What is the wait time now between ordering and receiving the lens? Thanks. I have a buyer for my 600 f4 IS. Heavy but in mint condition.
I found mine on Amazon and got it the next day. They have new and refurbished available quite regularly. You just need to be vigilant to catch when they have the new ones. Other than that, I had feelers out at many camera stores around the country. I think if you want one bad enough you can find one pretty quickly.
Great video Ron. I have a few questions. Is that covering the Mossy Oak graphics? Which IS mode do you use for bird in flight, have you found much success with case 2? Have you found case auto to be reliable ? I currently shoot with the EF mark iii which shares the same optics and motors as the Rf600. I use it with r5. Your feedback is greatly appreciated. Thx.
Yep, the covering is Mossy Oaks Graphics. I use Mode 2 IS if shooting slower shutter speeds and turn IS/IBIS off when shooting over say 1/1250s. I have tried both Case 2 and Auto and I have found basically no difference that I can discern. Cheers, Ron
Have you ever thought about getting the Canon 200-400 with TC built in? Maybe using with the 2x and speed booster on the R7 giving you a 400-800mm F 5.6 ? I have the 600mm but miss the flexibility of a Zoom.
@@mareklesniak8768 these test charts seem to suggest otherwise but I have gotten the lens and have yet to do a detailed comparison. Loving the flexibility though on my R7
@@whistlingwingsphotography ok thanks And this video will comes out when :) i hope that the rf perform well with the r5 , because of the dual motor i hope that the r5 deliever enough power
Thanks for the video. I love my 600mm II but the thought of several pound weight decreases and better AF with my R6 is definitely tempting. Is it safe to say that moving up to the RF version of this lens is faster AF than adapting EF version 3 to my R6? I had heard the EF 3 had slightly lower image quality than the 2 but I doubt it matters in the real world. So what do you think? Spend a little more to get the RF 600 or go with EF version 3? I suppose the decision should be clear since I won’t be going back to the EF mount. The other issue is I wonder how much I would get for my 600 version 2? If it were $8000 I’m not sure it would be worth it. Also, is it safe to say this lens makes up for any need for you to have the 100-500? Curious, thanks!
I would def get the RF 600. The AF and IS/IBIS improvements are noticeable. Also, the IQ from the RF 600 is as good as the EF II, so I would not think twice about that. Cheers. Ronb
Those images look very punchy. Great work. The AF focus speed on the R3 is very fast. I think R3 has better AF algorithms than the R5. Would you compare the AF speed between the R3 and R5 using the same situation like in this video with the fake (yellow / blue) bird figures? With the R5, once it is out of focus (from infinity back to minimum focusing distance for example), it takes forever to refocus.
@@whistlingwingsphotography Yup, the EF 600 f4 II was slow to cycle. I sold it and bought the RF version. It is quicker. With the R5, the RF 600 f4 has a big challenge coming to minimum focusing distance from far distance or infinity. Within similar distance, the RF version is very fast in AF. Please do the test. I do think R3 has better AF algorithm. Or R3 has big battery that can drive the big prime lens better?
Aside from the weight, AF or other improvements on the RF 600, how do you compare the sharpness of it with EF 600 II, both with 2x (of course EF and RF versions respectively)? Are the differences indistinguishable?
I cannot tell the difference in IQ between the two lenses. I know it has been reported by some that the EF 600mm III is not as sharp as the II, and given the RF 600 is the same optical formula as the EF III, one might see a difference. But, I cannot. I love the images coming from the RF 600.
Hmm, I am pretty sure the mkii is sharper with TC's. All the charts and test photos say so. You are basically sacrificing sharpness for weight in this lens. I guess it depends on what is important to you.
You might not have realised this, but, this is a Canon lens review. Sony shooters seem a little insecure or unsure, and they feel the need to promote their brand in every conversation. These cameras are just tools to get the job done. I could talk about Sony, eg, I believe the animal eye tracking isnt very effective when shooting video, or, that Sonys tiny 46mm mount means it cannot shoot 10mm rectiliear as I do on my R5 with its 52mm mount. Btw, the RF 10-20mm looks amazing. Tip, it is poor form to come on to another brand review, and start promoting your cameras brand.
Not a great idea to sacrifice MF functionality as autofocus system of any camera body would idle and not respond occasionally, and manual override would be extremely useful to save the day.
Maybe not for you, but to imply it is not good for anyone to ever set up the lens and camera this way is pretty narrow minded. For some people in some scenarios, me included, it can be a great way to go. So, the point of me providing this information was to inform people about the ability to get the control ring functionality on the RF600mm if they want it. I never said anything about this setup being a must or the best or anything of that nature.
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Great video Ron.
It's becoming more and more transparent that money can make a huge difference to the results that photographers can achieve. That's not detracting from the skills of the photographer but the difference expensive gear can make is definitely noticeable.
The image of the Osprey coming into the nest at 12:49 in the video is superb. Caught my eye straight away.
All the best.
It is about having the right tool for the job, and today's technology really helps any level of photography make better images. Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment.
Hey, thanks so much. And thanks for watching and commenting, much appreciated.
I have the RF600 F4 attached to my R5, I bought the 2x RF TC and shortly after sent it back to Amazon. Footage was very soft compared to the EF500 mkii with EF 2x TC mkiii.
I tried 3 2x TCs before I found one that, when paired with my 600, provided very sharp images. None of these TCs are made specifically for any particular lens, and there are variances in the TCs, so it may take a few before you find one that pairs well with you particular copy of a lens.
@@whistlingwingsphotography Didn't had that privilege to test 😅
I just sold my EF600 IS II last month and picked up the RF 600 and teleconverters. Using it on the R5 and only had a couple outings with it so far but the weight savings is great and the IS is so quite compared to the old EF. Over the next seven days I’m hoping to get out and really use it to see how it compares image quality wise.
That is one thing I did not mention. The lens when attached to the R3 and R5 is almost silent while focusing and stabilizing. I love that aspect of this new lens on these bodies.
Amazing set up. Works amazing. on my 400EF f2.8iii I use the 1.4xTCef with adapter(3rdparty w/ring - had to shave off with a file to increase the inner circumference ) then Rf 2xTC.. auto focus still works great.
Thanks for adding to the discussion.
I'm looking to do this modification myself too, mind share which 3p adapter you used?
@@enxunw1282 there was a Y uo T u be video on this mod. by Kamil Pekala ; pretty much the same thing i did. [ I used Viltrox ] btw, this works on all the EF lens that I own. TC on all the EF lens LOL.. really fun. THIS REALLY MAKES ME ANGRY AT CANON, it's so simple and they don't make it for us. Forcing me to buy more "other" products. smile.
@@j.kimmer1509 I wished some manufacturers could make adapters with this use case in mind. With the mod, do you get the lens information correct (with 2x) in exif? -Ah nvm, saw that was mentioned in Kamil's video.
@@enxunw1282 it works as if it's native and no hiccups. I filed a bit too much to almost remove all the plastic. So far the RF lens transmits all the data properly (no adapter) ... I will have to do a more detailed tests but for everyday work flow it works like a native lens or better.
Thanks Ron ... much appreciated .
Look like amazing lens, i just order the RF 600 f/4 , upgrade from EF 500 f/4.
The benefit of the EF 600 is that they are available second hand, and you don't have to replace your extenders [RF x2 £700]
Congrats on the new lens! Great video 👍🏼
Thanks so much!
Great video Ron. I loved the sample images, especially the snail kites. Several of these look familiar :-)
Hey, thanks Scott. Yep, I am sure you have some images of these birds.
Great video as always. Many thanks
Congratulations and thanks for the video. I almost always have the 2x on my EF 600mm f4 ii and don’t notice much loss in image quality. Still waiting for the R1 😊. All the best.
Totally agree! Canon has always had good TCs. The R1 will be the ultimate body for this lens and the TC combos.
Great info again Ron, must comment though Nikon are starting to look more attractive with their pricing, 600 RF is beyond most of us .......
Yep. Things are expensive. Canon is expected to come out with 50+ lenses over the next few years, I am sure some will be competitively priced with Nikon and Sony.
Please do a video on physical aspects of hand holding the 600mm.... Stance, hand position, etc.
Great Idea for a video. Thanks.
Hmmmm I have the EF 600 F4 lll and have used it for 3 years adapted with my R5. Works great.
When I acquired an R3, I see some improvement with AF speed. I can not justify getting a RF 600mm F4 since there is no savings in weight nor gain in AF speed. For bargain seekers, the EF 600 lll is a great deal.
Excellent info as always Ron. There is only one problem. This video and talking to you on the dock last weekend is going to cost me a lot of money! Time to upgrade from the EF version II.
Ha, yep, I hate it when I get to try out new equipment. It always ends up costing me. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Thank you for the feedback on the performance of the RF600 on the R-3. I am really looking forward to your impressions and demonstration when mounted on the R-5. Over the years I have owned all the 5D models and several 1D's. I have always observed a marked difference in autofocus speed of the EF600 Mkll when mounted on say the 5D MklV VS say the 1DMklV. The Pro-Body with it's BIG battery drives that AF very rapidly as compared to the 5D body's. It will be interesting to observe and compare this aspect when mounted on the R-5. Again thank you and keep the great info and images coming.
Hey, thanks JL. I will be posting the R5 video early next week if all goes well. Take care. Ron
I'm in love with the RF, the teleconverters I find superior in every single way. I love it on the R5 and can't wait to drive it with an R1. Wait till you see the rig I made for the 2 600's :)
Great to hear from you Vince. I too am looking forward to seeing what Canon has in store for the R1. Take care. Ron
Thank you. Very illustrative. I was going to ask if you would give your thoughts on the R5 with this lens. I am so glad you are going to do that.
Yep, that video is in the works. Thanks so much for watching and commenting. Much appreciated.
Hi, WWP, where did you buy the protector stickers for this lens? I can not find it. Thanks.
Next level. Love where you're taking your channel. Whilst I appreciate that the artist in you wants to withhold the RAW images, could you provide your settings instead? Regardless, thanks for all you do.
I appreciate that! I can start providing the settings. I am just lazy and very busy, so some times I am just not able to add in all the little details I would like to provide.
Could you share what brand of lens skin/cover you have on there? Also, how do you like it?
So is the better auto focus performance due to the bigger battery and power driving the motors over cameras with the smaller LO-E6 batteries? Thanks
Hi great video, what lens foot do you have on there ? thanks !
Welcome back.
Thanks.
Have you used the Nikon 600mm f4 TC for comparison?
Great video, I’m saving up for R5, I’ve not made the move to mirrorless yet , still have my trusty 5D4, but now having seen your video I’m wondering if I should wait and buy the R3 instead 🤔
For me it really depends on if I am shooting action or need the pixels for smaller birds. I use the R3 for action and R5 for warblers and stuff like that.
@@whistlingwingsphotography Thank you, yes I do need the Pixels, small birds are my favourite subjects and it will allow me to crop more so R5 for me.👍
Is it possible to download photos from r5 and r3 for comparison? Watching the photos in terms of quality on a TH-cam video is pointless.
ive been on the fence of the 600 or the smaller 400 2.8 i wonder how the 400 2.8 compares
Hi Ron, I've been using your three button back-button autofocus on my R3, thanks a lot for sharing that setup. How did you modify that setup so you could have one of the buttons toggle spot autofocus but with no eye-detect, as you're doing in this video?
You can use the Multifunction 2 button on the front of the camera to toggle tracking on and off. That is one way. The other way is in the Record and Recall a Shooting Function submenu do not put a check mark next to Subject Tracking. Cheers, Ron
Great images, As always!
EF600L is expensive lens, did it retain its resale value? Was the depreciation value justify? did it paid itself over time?
I heard it is best obtain a used super-tele than buy new, as the used one retain value very well, and they last, and very robust and reliable. What do you think?
I got a good price for my used EF 600 f/4 Mk. II. I agree buying used can be a good way to go, but you won't save much on a lens as new and hard to find as the RF 600mm f/4. So, if you want one you will need to pay full price.
à 8:00 Parfois, l'AF du R5 prend la tache noire derrière l'oeil pour un oeil avec les Larus ridibundus ;-)
Congratulations Ron. What is the wait time now between ordering and receiving the lens? Thanks. I have a buyer for my 600 f4 IS. Heavy but in mint condition.
I found mine on Amazon and got it the next day. They have new and refurbished available quite regularly. You just need to be vigilant to catch when they have the new ones. Other than that, I had feelers out at many camera stores around the country. I think if you want one bad enough you can find one pretty quickly.
@@whistlingwingsphotography Thanks! I I will see what I can come up with.
Great video Ron. I have a few questions. Is that covering the Mossy Oak graphics? Which IS mode do you use for bird in flight, have you found much success with case 2? Have you found case auto to be reliable ? I currently shoot with the EF mark iii which shares the same optics and motors as the Rf600. I use it with r5. Your feedback is greatly appreciated. Thx.
Yep, the covering is Mossy Oaks Graphics. I use Mode 2 IS if shooting slower shutter speeds and turn IS/IBIS off when shooting over say 1/1250s. I have tried both Case 2 and Auto and I have found basically no difference that I can discern. Cheers, Ron
Have you ever thought about getting the Canon 200-400 with TC built in? Maybe using with the 2x and speed booster on the R7 giving you a 400-800mm F 5.6 ? I have the 600mm but miss the flexibility of a Zoom.
200-400 is quite sharp but the built-in TC is worse than MKIII so overall image quality is not that great anymore once you engage the TC.
@@mareklesniak8768 these test charts seem to suggest otherwise but I have gotten the lens and have yet to do a detailed comparison. Loving the flexibility though on my R7
Speed of focus is generally not an issue for wooden birds when perched. 😀
Correct, but that speed sure helps with the real birds in flight I showed later in the video. Ha ha!
@@whistlingwingsphotography so true!
Hi Ron, what is the reason why you didn't made the R5 and the R3 in the same, is it about the dual motor that the R5 deliever not enough power ?
I wanted to give each camera body its own video to keep length of the video down. I have a new video centered on the R5 with the RF600
@@whistlingwingsphotography ok thanks
And this video will comes out when :) i hope that the rf perform well with the r5 , because of the dual motor i hope that the r5 deliever enough power
Thanks for the video. I love my 600mm II but the thought of several pound weight decreases and better AF with my R6 is definitely tempting. Is it safe to say that moving up to the RF version of this lens is faster AF than adapting EF version 3 to my R6? I had heard the EF 3 had slightly lower image quality than the 2 but I doubt it matters in the real world. So what do you think? Spend a little more to get the RF 600 or go with EF version 3? I suppose the decision should be clear since I won’t be going back to the EF mount. The other issue is I wonder how much I would get for my 600 version 2? If it were $8000 I’m not sure it would be worth it. Also, is it safe to say this lens makes up for any need for you to have the 100-500? Curious, thanks!
I would def get the RF 600. The AF and IS/IBIS improvements are noticeable. Also, the IQ from the RF 600 is as good as the EF II, so I would not think twice about that. Cheers. Ronb
Those images look very punchy. Great work. The AF focus speed on the R3 is very fast. I think R3 has better AF algorithms than the R5. Would you compare the AF speed between the R3 and R5 using the same situation like in this video with the fake (yellow / blue) bird figures? With the R5, once it is out of focus (from infinity back to minimum focusing distance for example), it takes forever to refocus.
I will be doing that comparison with the R5. We the EF 600 f/4 II the AF was very slow to cycle. We shall see what the RF 600 f/4 can do.
@@whistlingwingsphotography Yup, the EF 600 f4 II was slow to cycle. I sold it and bought the RF version. It is quicker. With the R5, the RF 600 f4 has a big challenge coming to minimum focusing distance from far distance or infinity. Within similar distance, the RF version is very fast in AF. Please do the test. I do think R3 has better AF algorithm. Or R3 has big battery that can drive the big prime lens better?
Awesome
Hey, thanks so much.
Aside from the weight, AF or other improvements on the RF 600, how do you compare the sharpness of it with EF 600 II, both with 2x (of course EF and RF versions respectively)? Are the differences indistinguishable?
I cannot tell the difference in IQ between the two lenses. I know it has been reported by some that the EF 600mm III is not as sharp as the II, and given the RF 600 is the same optical formula as the EF III, one might see a difference. But, I cannot. I love the images coming from the RF 600.
Hmm, I am pretty sure the mkii is sharper with TC's. All the charts and test photos say so. You are basically sacrificing sharpness for weight in this lens. I guess it depends on what is important to you.
What cover are you using on your 600??
Check out my video on the covering: th-cam.com/video/pcOznJoS5xQ/w-d-xo.html
i'm thinking of getting the nikon 800pf
I am sure that will be an awesome lens if it is anything like the 500 pf, which is stellar.
Ironically enough my A1 + 600 f4 focuses faster but the R3 is still a good camera.
You might not have realised this, but, this is a Canon lens review. Sony shooters seem a little insecure or unsure, and they feel the need to promote their brand in every conversation. These cameras are just tools to get the job done.
I could talk about Sony, eg, I believe the animal eye tracking isnt very effective when shooting video, or, that Sonys tiny 46mm mount means it cannot shoot 10mm rectiliear as I do on my R5 with its 52mm mount. Btw, the RF 10-20mm looks amazing.
Tip, it is poor form to come on to another brand review, and start promoting your cameras brand.
@@nordic5490 Clearly you're a dumbass.
the only to make it out is to see the raw file, no matter how you process them, raw file tells the truth, so why not post them?
Not a great idea to sacrifice MF functionality as autofocus system of any camera body would idle and not respond occasionally, and manual override would be extremely useful to save the day.
Maybe not for you, but to imply it is not good for anyone to ever set up the lens and camera this way is pretty narrow minded. For some people in some scenarios, me included, it can be a great way to go. So, the point of me providing this information was to inform people about the ability to get the control ring functionality on the RF600mm if they want it. I never said anything about this setup being a must or the best or anything of that nature.
Now with all these weight savings, I guess you probably wont use your Speed Shooter Harness as much haha.
Nope, I will use it more and I can now do video with the 600mm given the light weight and better IS/IBIS.
a lot fast then the ef mount !!!!!
For sure. Ron